As the owner of a 911, and knowing about the maintenance expenses, I negotiated a 3-year service agreement (this was for the early 2013 991.1) and began putting away $500 per month for post service agreement costs. To have a savings account specifically for maintenance took some of the sting out of those. Now that warranty is long gone, I take the car to a former Porsche mechanic whose costs are much, much less than the dealers cost. He has no fancy service lounge to sit in while drinking high-end coffee but he does great work. Good video!
That is excellent advice, I have debating the same approach. There are a lot of well qualified third party shops with much more affordable pricing. You are right, not as lavish and luxurious as the dealership, but if you find good shop, the savings could be the difference between being able to afford a Porsche, or having to look elsewhere for a sportscar. Glad you enjoyed the video, thank you for watching!
i have owned a couple of 911 such as 997, 991 and currently 992. Service every two year is about 700 -900 USD. If no major break or accident, maintencance costs are fairly adequate.
🛡I watched this video out of sheer curiosity, but I honestly don’t see the point of evaluating the maintenance costs of a vehicle of this caliber; this is something you would do for Ford’s & Honda’s alike. Clearly Porsche territory is for those who are not AT ALL concerned about maintenance costs. Doesn’t mean we want to be duped, but maintenance isn’t a showstopper. If it is, then keep working until you’ve reached the point where it’s not an issue, because you still have to consider “unplanned maintenance” (accidents, malfunctions, etc). ⚠️ Notice, I said “work”-not “wait” until you reach the point. If its your dream to own a Porsche, ‘make it happen’. It’s just a car-it can’t plan, build, or dream…but you can 😉
I think the independent specialist is definitely they way to go once the warranty has expired. I did with both my Mercedes and Porsche. Also, these guys tend to know more about issues with older cars whereas the main dealers are more service oriented in my experience.
Back in the early '80's, before I got married, my best friend, who is an attorney in Lafayette, LA were driving around Lafayette and we spotted a '78 911 Targa on a high end used car lot. The next time I talked to him, he had bought it. He didn't mention how much he paid, but he did say that the performance, including the acceleration of the car, was just WILD! Being a novice to this kind of performance, he confessed to me he just didn't have the balls to find a stretch of road where he could just "let it out". He said it was that scary and he was too inexperienced in trying to harness and control that kind of power and acceleration.
Michelin Pilot 4S which is the top rated tire for a 911 should last you 40,000 miles. Around $1,500 . I did four breaks and rotors. I bought them from Suncoast in Florida when they had a special. My mechanic just charged me for labor and I did everything for about $1,400. I did this at 40,000 miles. When I get engine serviced I bring it to the Porsche dealer and in 3 years I've spent about $3,500 for the services. I'm on my fourth year so I am due for another service in 1600 miles
The original set lasted forty Thousand Miles. I had a problem with one tire so replaced 2, my estimate a year ago was way off .I paid $1,400 for two Michelin Pilot sport 4S
It depends on where you live, otherwise its the cost of the car, which I would only recommend leasing because hardly ANYONE keeps these longer than a year or so, the registration fee, you insurance and gas....thats all folks!
I mean if you jave the money to burn go to a dealership and spend it. Some people get comfort knowing all the serving is done at Porsche, but other are a little on the frugal side and want to not dig so deep. Either way the 911 is a really great car and you cant get away from expensive maintenance on a 100k+ car. You gotta pay to play!
The prices are definitely going up. The prices I used were provided by my local dealer, but ever since creating this video, I did reach out to other dealers and found prices that were drastically higher.
Hey.Good job with the video.I suppose if one can afford a 120K 911 maintenance cost is not an issue.That being said, i thought it would be much more expensive.Keep making these informative videos! Have a nice one!
I’ve got a 981 boxster s……my local Porsche dealer wants $525 for an oil service…..whereas it’s $250 at my independent. Just replaced two rear tires for $650. This is a helpful video, but I’d expect to pay 60% or less than what was quoted here. I also don’t think one has to be as conservative with the service items and follow Porsche to the letter. I’d religiously change the oil and filter, but with some other stuff, I may not be inclined to go in lockstep with the schedule.
I find it interesting that maintenance on a 911 is no different from a VW Golf (other than the quantity of oil needed for each oil change), but yet the 911s cost are a order of magnitude. The other note is that testing the brake fluid for hydroscopic content can find that the brake fluid is perfectly serviceable and doesn’t need replacement.
@@garylieber8851 thats true, my 996 turbo has never had anyone but me work on it outside of my garage. its just easier to learn how to drop the rear subframe with the engine . not for oil changes but for virtually everything else .
Porsche ownership isn’t for the meek. Even if you do your own maintenance, Porsche parts are expensive. Four wheel brake pads, rotors and fluid are $1,300 USD for high quality Zimmermann parts. Zimmerman manufacture actual Porsche brake parts. . You’ll pay a bit more if they’re Porsche branded parts. An average car or truck is usually less than $500 USD for four wheels. Also, you stated $2,000 for four wheels but it’s actually $2,800 at an after market Porsche specialist service. It’s got to be more at the dealership. I enjoyed your video very much and looking forward to more great topics in the future.
I usually do my own work on the car. Because I don’t trust a mechanic with my breaks and tires, or that they’ll use premium products on my car. So far my costs have been: - $100 for oil and filter (I change every 2-3K miles because I drive hard). I bought it from FCP Euro, so I do t have to pay more than once - $550 for genuine Porsche breaks and rotors - $240 for 6 genuine spark plugs - $80 for BNC air filter (again bought it from FCP, so that I can replace every year) - $60 brake fluid. For everything else I go to Porsche warranty. Only a few minor things so far. The mechanics there love me, cause apparently the engine of my car is cleaner than the exterior (I do use break cleaner on panels when I take the car apart)
Back and forth on ordering a new 992 911 GTS. Glad I saw this video. Thank you! Where I live we have personal property tax every year too. Shit gets expensive.
I’m not too knowledgeable about what the process is for any given service, any software resetting that needs to take place, etc. BUT, I would guess most work can be done at home
I ran a ten year old 911 from 86 till 96 and it cost me no more than running a new ford and I got my money back when I sold it. Now I run an Slk. Mercedes serviced it for £200 and collected it for free ten years ago and I kept it on mb warranty for £500 a year. More recently they wanted to do work on it it didn’t need and now it’s ten years old it’s out of warranty. Oh and the rotors are perfect, they are the original ones. I use a specialist now ex mb. Volkswagen rip you off.
The dollars seem like a lot when you hear them all at once, but people ignore that the cost is over several years. The reality is, any car is going to cost you money to own, is a Porsche more? Sure, but relative to the price of the car I don't think its too bad.
I own a 991.2 and my oil changes are about $70. I document everything for the next owner . The dealership is there to make money and not to be your friend.
You forgot to mention is that once you are out of warranty anything that goes wrong with the car will cost you horrible amounts of money in a typical Porsche overpriced fashion.
I have been told that you do not really need to change the rotors if you get the PCB, maybe once every 100K miles? But then it all depends on how you drive the car, if you are tracking it every weekend I don't think they would last to 100K.
@@carcaveofficial i also heard the pcb will last as long as the car but somehow i doubt it.. it does last linger then the normal one. But does the pcb pad last as long aswell?
People, just buy a few tools and do it yourself. It's EASY. If you can afford a Porsche, you're probably smart enough to figure out how to use a torque wrench
”Too expensive for you” No. I want it now. I wanna know how much i need to have it now. Not when im an old fart and wont probably even be interested anymore
Nah , you don’t have to follow to the T I do my own oil changes on a 992 Targa , super simple , cheap and don’t worry about warranty . It’s against the law for dealers to say you can t do own oil changes or will void warranty , TOTAL BS . MAKE SIRE OIL IS C40 rated and use genuine Mahle oil filters and change plastic drain plug , always . I use liqui Molly 5w40 model 4110
Take a grinder to take the lip off the rotors put cheap shitty oil in it ,put cheap Chinese tyres on it ,wife's nylons for the drive belts ,job done money in the pocket vroom vroom
As the owner of a 911, and knowing about the maintenance expenses, I negotiated a 3-year service agreement (this was for the early 2013 991.1) and began putting away $500 per month for post service agreement costs. To have a savings account specifically for maintenance took some of the sting out of those. Now that warranty is long gone, I take the car to a former Porsche mechanic whose costs are much, much less than the dealers cost. He has no fancy service lounge to sit in while drinking high-end coffee but he does great work. Good video!
That is excellent advice, I have debating the same approach. There are a lot of well qualified third party shops with much more affordable pricing. You are right, not as lavish and luxurious as the dealership, but if you find good shop, the savings could be the difference between being able to afford a Porsche, or having to look elsewhere for a sportscar. Glad you enjoyed the video, thank you for watching!
In the process of trying to get my first porche
@@jakhariwilliams3377 me to cayman for me
i have owned a couple of 911 such as 997, 991 and currently 992. Service every two year is about 700 -900 USD. If no major break or accident, maintencance costs are fairly adequate.
Yeah and if you aren’t tracking your 911 and drive 10k miles or less/year there is no need to replace your rotors and pads every 2 years.
🛡I watched this video out of sheer curiosity, but I honestly don’t see the point of evaluating the maintenance costs of a vehicle of this caliber; this is something you would do for Ford’s & Honda’s alike.
Clearly Porsche territory is for those who are not AT ALL concerned about maintenance costs. Doesn’t mean we want to be duped, but maintenance isn’t a showstopper. If it is, then keep working until you’ve reached the point where it’s not an issue, because you still have to consider “unplanned maintenance” (accidents, malfunctions, etc).
⚠️ Notice, I said “work”-not “wait” until you reach the point. If its your dream to own a Porsche, ‘make it happen’. It’s just a car-it can’t plan, build, or dream…but you can 😉
You just crushed my interest in a 911.
I crushed my own interest in a 911.
Why? He doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Still one of the cheapest for maintainence for a high end sports car.
It wasn't as bad as I thought. The main problem, still, is paying for the car itself.
I think the independent specialist is definitely they way to go once the warranty has expired. I did with both my Mercedes and Porsche. Also, these guys tend to know more about issues with older cars whereas the main dealers are more service oriented in my experience.
The 911 used to be my dream car. Time for a new dream cause I ain’t paying that!
I would recommend a Cayman but they are probably pretty much the same cost to maintain lol
Back in the early '80's, before I got married, my best friend, who is an attorney in Lafayette, LA were driving around Lafayette and we spotted a '78 911 Targa on a high end used car lot. The next time I talked to him, he had bought it. He didn't mention how much he paid, but he did say that the performance, including the acceleration of the car, was just WILD! Being a novice to this kind of performance, he confessed to me he just didn't have the balls to find a stretch of road where he could just "let it out". He said it was that scary and he was too inexperienced in trying to harness and control that kind of power and acceleration.
Michelin Pilot 4S which is the top rated tire for a 911 should last you 40,000 miles. Around $1,500 . I did four breaks and rotors. I bought them from Suncoast in Florida when they had a special. My mechanic just charged me for labor and I did everything for about $1,400. I did this at 40,000 miles. When I get engine serviced I bring it to the Porsche dealer and in 3 years I've spent about $3,500 for the services. I'm on my fourth year so I am due for another service in 1600 miles
How a set of tire last u 40k miles
The original set lasted forty Thousand Miles. I had a problem with one tire so replaced 2, my estimate a year ago was way off .I paid $1,400 for two Michelin Pilot sport 4S
My rear wheels last 20,000 miles at most… I don’t drive like a maniac but I have a spirited session 1 or 2 times a month.
It depends on where you live, otherwise its the cost of the car, which I would only recommend leasing because hardly ANYONE keeps these longer than a year or so, the registration fee, you insurance and gas....thats all folks!
Leasing is very popular with Porsche's and any German car for that matter. But I will say the insurance is a lot cheaper than you might think...
Maintenance is dirt cheap if you DIY. Many of the recommendations are overkill, especially if mileage is low.
I mean if you jave the money to burn go to a dealership and spend it. Some people get comfort knowing all the serving is done at Porsche, but other are a little on the frugal side and want to not dig so deep. Either way the 911 is a really great car and you cant get away from expensive maintenance on a 100k+ car. You gotta pay to play!
Very true! Plus, relative to other cars it competes with, maintenance on the 911 really isn’t that bad..
subbing early! I know you're gonna blow. Keep it up man!
Big Porsche fan btw
Really appreciate that mate! Thanks for commenting!
Very good video! Nothing like it, a good and honest price breakdown helps you decide on if you want this beast or not...
Glad you found it helpful!
I have a 2015 cayman GTS and this year the dealer wanted $750 for an oil change. Not going to the dealer anymore
The prices are definitely going up. The prices I used were provided by my local dealer, but ever since creating this video, I did reach out to other dealers and found prices that were drastically higher.
Hey.Good job with the video.I suppose if one can afford a 120K 911 maintenance cost is not an issue.That being said, i thought it would be much more expensive.Keep making these informative videos! Have a nice one!
Thanks mate! I was pretty surprised as well. I'll be doing more videos like this going forward so thanks for the feedback!
I got a brand new 911 992 Carrera S…first service is 2yrs or 20,000 miles. Maybe it’s different in 🇬🇧 uk…£1007 they pick car up & drop back same day 👍
Do your own maintenance and save. Use an Indy mechanic and save as well
I’ve got a 981 boxster s……my local Porsche dealer wants $525 for an oil service…..whereas it’s $250 at my independent. Just replaced two rear tires for $650. This is a helpful video, but I’d expect to pay 60% or less than what was quoted here. I also don’t think one has to be as conservative with the service items and follow Porsche to the letter. I’d religiously change the oil and filter, but with some other stuff, I may not be inclined to go in lockstep with the schedule.
I find it interesting that maintenance on a 911 is no different from a VW Golf (other than the quantity of oil needed for each oil change), but yet the 911s cost are a order of magnitude. The other note is that testing the brake fluid for hydroscopic content can find that the brake fluid is perfectly serviceable and doesn’t need replacement.
you have to drop the motor and subframe to do almost everyting on a 911 lol
No motor dropping for oil change, filter changes, or plug changes on a 992. Brake pads and rotors are just like a 996, 997, or 991.
@@garylieber8851 thats true, my 996 turbo has never had anyone but me work on it outside of my garage. its just easier to learn how to drop the rear subframe with the engine . not for oil changes but for virtually everything else .
There are parts and stuff that can be used on 911 that is also used on other VW stuff. They are under the same group so no wonder.
This is why I go to a quality independent shop they're usually about half the cost and most cars being serviced are much more expensive than mine.
Yup! But finding one is the challenge isn't it?
This is just business for dealers . You only need 1/3 of these items done .
If you are tracking , you are crazy
Porsche ownership isn’t for the meek. Even if you do your own maintenance, Porsche parts are expensive. Four wheel brake pads, rotors and fluid are $1,300 USD for high quality Zimmermann parts. Zimmerman manufacture actual Porsche brake parts. . You’ll pay a bit more if they’re Porsche branded parts. An average car or truck is usually less than $500 USD for four wheels. Also, you stated $2,000 for four wheels but it’s actually $2,800 at an after market Porsche specialist service. It’s got to be more at the dealership. I enjoyed your video very much and looking forward to more great topics in the future.
Appreciate the kind words!
Just to clarify, I meant $2,000.00 for tires**** not wheels!
Thanks .A very informative video.
My pleasure, thanks for watching!
If I can pay a quarter mil for the car maintenance ain't gonna worry me much
I usually do my own work on the car. Because I don’t trust a mechanic with my breaks and tires, or that they’ll use premium products on my car.
So far my costs have been:
- $100 for oil and filter (I change every 2-3K miles because I drive hard). I bought it from FCP Euro, so I do t have to pay more than once
- $550 for genuine Porsche breaks and rotors
- $240 for 6 genuine spark plugs
- $80 for BNC air filter (again bought it from FCP, so that I can replace every year)
- $60 brake fluid.
For everything else I go to Porsche warranty. Only a few minor things so far.
The mechanics there love me, cause apparently the engine of my car is cleaner than the exterior (I do use break cleaner on panels when I take the car apart)
Back and forth on ordering a new 992 911 GTS. Glad I saw this video. Thank you! Where I live we have personal property tax every year too. Shit gets expensive.
It may be a bit pricey to maintain, but trust me, you are gonna love that car so much you won't mind.
Can I do these myself? Seems fairly easy other than changing the tires which i can’t do at home.
I’m not too knowledgeable about what the process is for any given service, any software resetting that needs to take place, etc. BUT, I would guess most work can be done at home
1st year maintenance: 625 USD FOR A FUKIN OIL CHANGE HE SAYS "NOT TOO BAD". 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bro it’s not you can make that it 3 days
A new 911 is way more than 100-120k
I ran a ten year old 911 from 86 till 96 and it cost me no more than running a new ford and I got my money back when I sold it. Now I run an Slk. Mercedes serviced it for £200 and collected it for free ten years ago and I kept it on mb warranty for £500 a year. More recently they wanted to do work on it it didn’t need and now it’s ten years old it’s out of warranty. Oh and the rotors are perfect, they are the original ones. I use a specialist now ex mb. Volkswagen rip you off.
The dollars seem like a lot when you hear them all at once, but people ignore that the cost is over several years. The reality is, any car is going to cost you money to own, is a Porsche more? Sure, but relative to the price of the car I don't think its too bad.
Thanks for the research and heads-up!
Thanks for watching!
3:56 an oil change using Porsche parts is well under $100.
and that won't stop me for having a dream car like that, Im doing DIY shit
DIY is the way to go if you have patience and don't have anxiety lol.
Very good video
Thanks mate 🤙
Fear is your biggest enemy.
It is sad that Porsche does not cover maintenance
How much of this is dealer mark up?
I believe this is just the cost to the customer for service, I don’t know what the profit margins are for the dealer, but I would assume it’s not low…
Great video Thank you! Is is the same for the GT3 and the Turbo S? If not can you do follow up videos doing the same breakdown for those cars? New sub
It is not the same actually, but yes, I will get a video together for the GT3 / Turbo S soon!
I own a 991.2 and my oil changes are about $70. I document everything for the next owner . The dealership is there to make money and not to be your friend.
They don't use 100k spark plugs?
Not bad at all. Thanks!
Thank you!
You forgot to mention is that once you are out of warranty anything that goes wrong with the car will cost you horrible amounts of money in a typical Porsche overpriced fashion.
i think your chair needs service 💀
It did, I didn’t get it into the shop in time and it’s now passed on. I have a new chair, RIP
How about if u have PCB...do u need change the rotor aswell?
I have been told that you do not really need to change the rotors if you get the PCB, maybe once every 100K miles? But then it all depends on how you drive the car, if you are tracking it every weekend I don't think they would last to 100K.
@@carcaveofficial i also heard the pcb will last as long as the car but somehow i doubt it.. it does last linger then the normal one. But does the pcb pad last as long aswell?
None of the service is cover by the warranty?
Service is not typically covered by warranty no. Warranty does not cover any 'wear and tear' items, such as tires, brakes, etc.
You don't need to chanhe your tires or brake pads @20k for sure,,,,
You've got to pay to play with this brand.
100% you do. But it is worth it, you can't really complain about maintenance costs when buying these sort of cars. It's part of the deal!
it aint too bad for the dream tbh
Not at all!
People, just buy a few tools and do it yourself. It's EASY. If you can afford a Porsche, you're probably smart enough to figure out how to use a torque wrench
$2k for a tranny service? I'll keep my 76
20,000km changing tires, cmon
Damn you think if I make 100k a year I can afford a new 911 ???
I think it depends on how you budget your money, but I wouldn’t recommend buying a car that has an msrp over your pre-tax annual salary…
Rule of thumb: If you need to know it's too expensive for you.
”Too expensive for you”
No. I want it now. I wanna know how much i need to have it now. Not when im an old fart and wont probably even be interested anymore
Powiem wam że fatmaceutyxzne firmy i nie oszuści ale w Ford przy Czarku nialem równowagę
CAN'T TAKE THIS GUY SERIOUSLY WHEN HE SAYS "NO TOO BAD" FOR A 600 USD OIL CHANGE.
Yes but the oil is laced with frankincense and myrrh.
@@carcaveofficial Actually the 1st year maintenance could be free if you buy a brand new 992 since Porsche pays for it. Cheers!
Damn the 911 is already expensive just to buy one. But the maintenance is a deal breaker for me.
Nah , you don’t have to follow to the T
I do my own oil changes on a 992 Targa , super simple , cheap and don’t worry about warranty .
It’s against the law for dealers to say you can t do own oil changes or will void warranty , TOTAL BS .
MAKE SIRE OIL IS C40 rated and use genuine Mahle oil filters and change plastic drain plug , always .
I use liqui Molly 5w40 model 4110
He talks sooooo S l oooooooOOow.
Yea, he sucks.
You don't look like a jerk; but I might also be wrong.
Take a grinder to take the lip off the rotors put cheap shitty oil in it ,put cheap Chinese tyres on it ,wife's nylons for the drive belts ,job done money in the pocket vroom vroom
I like your style.
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