Michael Reeves: The Triunity of God
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- Опубліковано 23 бер 2023
- Romans 1:1-4 offers a succinct reflection on the work of the triune God in bringing about salvation. The Christian faith has always believed that redemption is the fruit of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit’s labors in history to save us from sin and to bring us into union with the three persons of the Trinity. In this message, Dr. Michael Reeves gives an overview of the doctrine of the Trinity and considers why this is an important doctrine to understand for standing firm in our day.
This message is from Stand Firm, our 2023 National Conference: • Stand Firm: 2023 Natio...
This is the best, most accessible, explanation of the Trinity I have ever come across. Thank you!
Why must sermons on the Trinity seem to always start with making fun of others misunderstandings? It's cheap laughs. I'll keep listening but it doesn't elevate the speaker .
I agree with both of your statements
@@jeanarmstrong4182 I don’t disagree with you, however, I do agree with Reeves’ point in that we as mere mortals trying to explain the attributes of God can seem quite inadequate. Perhaps he could have not ridiculed others’ misunderstandings and instead mentioned how we fail to describe what theologians often cite as one of the most difficult doctrines to teach. Nabeel Qureshi commented in one of his talks on the triunity of God that trying to start with the analogy and not leading with the definition leaves the analogy for wanting. He defined in that video the trinity as such “God is one in being and three in persons”. This begs the question, what’s the difference between a “being” and a “person”. Being is WHAT you are, person is WHO you are. I am glad that Reeves didn’t point out any particular names, as I have heard other preachers do when speaking this way. Speaking of elevating - hopefully listeners will see that the Word of God is elevated, and not man. This sermon, in my humble opinion, definitely glorified God. I hope you enjoyed the rest of the content. In Christ.
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His book “Delighting in the Trinity” was fantastic.
Amen, agreed. This sermon expounds some of the same truths. Loved the book, loved this sermon.
Awesome answers so many of my questions and simply makes three parts fitting understandable without making my brain hurt. There is power in the word
I love listening to this man. I’m listening to him for the 4th time on Audible. Love his knowledge of the gospel. Thank God for you
His accent isn't bad either lol
Thank you brother! This is so life transforming! You have helped turn on the light bulb to understand John 17. You have answered the “ the so what “ question.
Thank you for posting the 2023 National Conference!
Indeed. This is the best explanation of our Holy Trinity I have ever had the delight to hear, and just really absorb the love. Thank you. So excellently done. This is a keeper and definitely a Sermon to share. A Blessing. God bless you. Amen ❤
Simply beautiful exposition of the Triune God, thank you !
What a great style of preaching and richness of the Holy Trinity explain. I will listen again and again. Thank you for your devotion to ministry, sir.
Weeping for joy!
The doctrine of the trinity is a doctrine of demons. It is idolatry. Please study the history of Christianity and prayerfully read your Bible and study what the first century Christians believed. What did Jesus actually believe? Matthew 12:28-34 - He believed as the Jews- He believes in one true God and He tells us this is the Father. Jesus did not tell the scribe that He was wrong, and that god is 'triune', instead He agreed with him!
@@jacobisrael2688 unsure of your reasoning behind the context you chose to use because the question in that text was about by whom/what authority Jesus cast out demons. Then it goes on to explain how you're either for Him or against Him. It's unfortunate how many times we have adopted terms and phrases for concepts and events described throughout Scripture and even History. Having said that, however, I believe it's important to take care we do not offend to the point of blasphemy either the Word of God or people who are influenced by our words and actions... I do caution you because to call the Trinity a 'doctrine of demons' smacks right up against such blasphemy! I do not now, nor will I ever agree that the Trinity or tri-unity of The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit is doctrinally demonic. I do believe that you have been manipulated by or lied to by someone whom you hold dear or in great regard. Being led astray often happens in such a way, and it's sad to see when such a basic premise of the Christian Worldview has been chewed up and spewed out as heresy. Very sad, indeed. I do pray for your understanding to become unbound and unmanipulated so you are able to see The Truth regarding The Trinity and then fully experience the joy of being set free by the Son, our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Amen.
Amen.❤
Wow, this is the most satisfying explanation and delightfully joyful understanding reason I have feasted on. Blessed Lord God, thank you.
Wow what an amazing sermon! Completely transformed my viewing of the Holy Trinity!
It’s a false doctrine.
God is numerically and indivisibly one. And his name is Jesus.
I absolutely love his teaching, thank you Jesus for this ministry. Life changing! Makes me want to weep for joy!
Great teacher and teaching of God's Great Love !!❤
A nice British accent, some British wit, a reference to the great Martin Luther, or anything else forged by human wisdom cannot validate the false doctrine of the Trinity. While God the Father is apart from The Son and separate from the Holy Spirit, the doctrine remains seriously flawed, for the simple reason that it is NOT AT ALL expressed explicitly in God's word, the Bible. Those who believe in God should be true philologists, and trues philologists abide by Deuteronomy 4:2 as well as Revelation 22:18-19. In any case, why should we followers of Christ impose on God a word which he does not utilize? And why are we so adamant to promote a concept of God that God Himself does not endorse? "I and the Father are one." "Our fellowship is with the Father and the Son." "The Father is greater than I." "The Son is the image of the invisible God, the Firstborn over all creation."
Hands down the best theologian on the trinity I have personally heard.
A nice British accent, some British wit, a reference to the great Martin Luther, or anything else forged by human wisdom cannot validate the false doctrine of the Trinity. While God the Father is apart from The Son and separate from the Holy Spirit, the doctrine remains seriously flawed, for the simple reason that it is NOT AT ALL expressed explicitly in God's word, the Bible. Those who believe in God should be true philologists, and trues philologists abide by Deuteronomy 4:2 as well as Revelation 22:18-19. In any case, why should we followers of Christ impose on God a word which he does not utilize? And why are we so adamant to promote a concept of God that God Himself does not endorse? "I and the Father are one." "Our fellowship is with the Father and the Son." "The Father is greater than I." "The Son is the image of the invisible God, the Firstborn over all creation."
This gave me a higher more profound understanding of the unity with Christ through the Gospel. The Trinity makes salivation possible indeed!
The doctrine of the trinity is a doctrine of demons. It is idolatry. Please study the history of Christianity and prayerfully read your Bible and study what the first century Christians believed. What did Jesus actually believe? Matthew 12:28-34 - He believed as the Jews- He believes in one true God and He tells us this is the Father. Jesus did not tell the scribe that He was wrong, and that god is 'triune', instead He agreed with him!
Belief in Jesus Christ made salvation possible.
@@suzannemcmaken4648 Yes, with repentance
God is one, and His name is Jesus. This is the great truth of the Bible, indeed, the greatest truth of all.
Not the trinity. It is a false doctrine formulated from Greek philosophy and not the Hebrew Scriptures. All the “church fathers” post-1st century were Greek philosophers and did not know Hebrew at all. In fact, for over a thousand years in the Catholic Church, learning Hebrew was considered mystical and could get you killed. Why? Because then you could read and understand the Old Testament, and possibly arrive at a different conclusion than what the church was teaching, and that of course was a big no no.
Jesus Christ is the one you must look upon. He alone is to be worshiped, because he alone is God.
@@alexanderh2345 Where in the Bible does it say that God's name is Jesus?
Very beautiful, his book is great, DELIGHTING IN THE TRINITY.
That was excellent.
Great!!!
Amen! Thank you, Father.
Great presentation brother loved being there at ligonier to hear the message praise God!!! Grace love peace mercy
Thank you for this awesome presentation
Excellent. Thank You, Sir.
Amen!
Amen✝️🙏
i love this guy, we are watching his sermons in our bible study
Wonderful devotional message. For those who are not aware, his book, Delighting in the Trinity, is outstanding.
A nice British accent, some British wit, a reference to the great Martin Luther, or anything else forged by human wisdom cannot validate the false doctrine of the Trinity. While God the Father is apart from The Son and separate from the Holy Spirit, the doctrine remains seriously flawed, for the simple reason that it is NOT AT ALL expressed explicitly in God's word, the Bible. Those who believe in God should be true philologists, and trues philologists abide by Deuteronomy 4:2 as well as Revelation 22:18-19. In any case, why should we followers of Christ impose on God a word which he does not utilize? And why are we so adamant to promote a concept of God that God Himself does not endorse? "I and the Father are one." "Our fellowship is with the Father and the Son." "The Father is greater than I." "The Son is the image of the invisible God, the Firstborn over all creation."
24:58 brush your teeth with those words every morning! lol
John 17:23 “I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me.”
As late Nabeel Qureshi said that the Trinity is one of the most loving doctrine.
What great explantion🥰🥰🥰
We can fellowship with Elohim in Three Realms Simultaneously !
Spirit - Father on throne
Soul - Son - God in Us in the
Mind of Christ.
Body - Holy Spirit - God on earth
to perform the Word
Sitting in Daddy's lap on throne.
Hanging out with Jesus
renewing my mind.
It's like the Holy Spirit and I are
walking behind Me
teaching me WJWD
Be Transformed ,,,,
Taking it back to the Garden
This is an absolute cure to backsliding.
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WOW
Love it, I have never thought of the trinity like H2O, a shamrock ☘️ or an 🥚. This will help children and adult ministry ALOT if someone explained that to me when I started my journey with Christ. 😅
A nice British accent, some British wit, a reference to the great Martin Luther, or anything else forged by human wisdom cannot validate the false doctrine of the Trinity. While God the Father is apart from The Son and separate from the Holy Spirit, the doctrine remains seriously flawed, for the simple reason that it is NOT AT ALL expressed explicitly in God's word, the Bible. Those who believe in God should be true philologists, and trues philologists abide by Deuteronomy 4:2 as well as Revelation 22:18-19. In any case, why should we followers of Christ impose on God a word which he does not utilize? And why are we so adamant to promote a concept of God that God Himself does not endorse? "I and the Father are one." "Our fellowship is with the Father and the Son." "The Father is greater than I." "The Son is the image of the invisible God, the Firstborn over all creation."
KJV Bible with Strongs by " Daily Bible Apps" .... thumbnail shows a brown covered bible with an underscored dove and the word " Strong's" on the cover . Once you have experienced it you will always have it at hand . This can show you everywhere the original word appeared ,regardless of how it was translated , as it highlights the " Strong's " number in each verse that has the original word .Their Bible Dictionary offline is also good .
Adonai Eloheynu Adonai Echad
That is the oneness of God as plain as can be, and not the false doctrine of devils that is the trinity.
A nice British accent, some British wit, a reference to the great Martin Luther, or anything else forged by human wisdom cannot validate the false doctrine of the Trinity. While God the Father is apart from The Son and separate from the Holy Spirit, the doctrine remains seriously flawed, for the simple reason that it is NOT AT ALL expressed explicitly in God's word, the Bible. Those who believe in God should be true philologists, and trues philologists abide by Deuteronomy 4:2 as well as Revelation 22:18-19. In any case, why should we followers of Christ impose on God a word which he does not utilize? And why are we so adamant to promote a concept of God that God Himself does not endorse? "I and the Father are one." "Our fellowship is with the Father and the Son." "The Father is greater than I." "The Son is the image of the invisible God, the Firstborn over all creation."
Matthew 17:1-9
Now unto THEM that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, unto THEM be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen. Ephesians 3:20-21 NOT
Was there meant to be a point?
I thought I got lost 😮
God is love, yes, and neither is he bound by time. He can love someone who would be there in the future as intensely as if he was standing right next to him. So that's a philosophical argument Trinitarians make that is not founded in Scripture. There are lots of verses that talk about God's foreknowledge in terms of it already having happened.
There is enough of Father to go around that everyone can feel like an only child with their own personal private Daddy God sABBAth with Daddy 🙂
He will explain the rest ,,,,,
Sing Helleluyah softly over and over until you break on through to the other side ,,,,,
Helleluyah - Praise Yahweh in
Hebrew,,,
Yeah great but can someone tell me where in the scriptures does it states God has always been a father . I didn’t see Michael Reeves reference that idea scripturally. It is just his idea . Its a very good concept but I can only see scriptural reference to his ETERNAL existence NOT his ETERNAL parenthood . Please help
He described it as a logical inference of Jesus Christ, the second Person of the Trinity, being eternally the Son of God. If the Son was eternally with the Father (e.g. John 1:1-3, Jesus' prayer in John 17, Heb 1 & 2, Prov 8, etc.), then consequently, the Father was eternally His Father, eternally begetting (Nicean Creed language) the Son.
*“There is but One LIVING and TRUE God. But we worship ONE TRIUNE GOD, neither CONFOUNDING the Persons, NOR DIVIDING the SUBSTANCES of the same. The eternal God has revealed HIMSELF as Father, Son and Holy Ghost. For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Ghost: but the GODHEAD of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost is ONE GOD. In all worlds (in the Universes) the Triune Godhead has revealed Himself as Father, Son and the Holy Ghost. He rules in all worlds, for He has made them all. The earth is only one small footstool.”*
*“The Son is, and was the WORD from eternity (John 1:1). His TITLE always was “The WORD”, and until He was BORN on the earth (Isaiah 9:6). He was not known as the “Son” (of Man/God), but as “The WORD” only. He has been present in the creation of all the worlds and was and is the glory of the Father’s throne in this (and all) celestial kingdom(s). The Son of God is and always was divine. He is the expressed image of the Father. He was always One with the Father. He was truly the Word of God, the creative energy of the Almighty Jehovah. Without Him God (Head) did nothing. “Let Us make” (Gen.1:26) was an expression common in all the works and creations of God.”*
*“The Holy Ghost is One with the Father and with the Son. Equal in eternity, power and glory. In creation He moved upon the face of the waters and developed form and beauty out of disorder and confusion. He proceeded from the Father and from the Son, and took up His abode with His Church on earth. He has ever been with them since His coming on Pentecost. He is the Comforter, Guide and SANCTIFIER of His people.”*
*“Your privileges, unbounded. Your capacities for pleasure and enjoyment are greatly enlarged since leaving the scenes of your earthly life. Everything here invites the fullest exercise of every faculty of your SOUL. YOUR CONDUCT WILL BE GOVERNED BY A KNOWLEDGE OF GOD’S WILL. YOU WILL NEVER WISH TO DO ANYTHING YOURSELF CONTRARY TO WILL OF GOD.”*
*“The LAW OF LOVE AND LIGHT IS LAW OF THE HEAVENLY KINGDOM. No one wishes to do anything here which would not be MORALLY right. There is no thought or suggestion by any one, of himself or another doing anything MORALLY wrong. You have found, no doubt, ere this that you have no inclinations within yourself or temptation from without to do any wrong thing. EVERYTHING THAT YOU FEEL INCLINED TO DO IS RIGHT, so far as moral right is concerned. YOUR KNOWLEDGE IS YET LIMITED. Whatever God approves and your knowledge comprehends you will approve from the INNERMOST DEPTHS OF YOUR SOUL. HIS WILL BECOME LAW TO YOU. He never charges guilt upon any one here, for NO ONE IN ALL THIS HEAVENLY KINGDOM HAS ANY FEELINGS OR WISH TO DISOBEY. SIN IS NOT KNOWN HERE. That great curse of the earth is entirely banished from these street and mansions of the City;”*
Cherubim R US 🔥🔨
This will really Trip You Out 😜
A Temple Made without Hands
I thought we are most like God when we forgive our enemies?
I think he would agree we are like God when we forgive and show grace, just as He does to us in the Gospel (Jesus says as much in the Sermon on the Mount, which you are probably referencing). But that act, showing grace and forgiveness, is an outpouring of the character of a gracious God towards the undeserving sinner, it is something He chose to do (joyfully and wholeheartedly) in creation and redemption; while the act of loving the Son is foundational to the identity of God the Father. Loving the Son is who the Father is; forgiving with abounding grace through Christ is what this loving Father does.
am I the only person here who came from the gremlin youtuber named Michael Reeves?
did God send another God to the world? or the one true God become flesh…
Michael Reeves next video: I made a time machine
I have noticed that the majority of the comments being made by those writing in have absolutely zero biblical scholastic credibility and would not withstand even the slightest amount of scholastic peer review.
Neither Jesus, nor the apostles, mentioned a trinity.
Did you pay attention to the video?
Genesis ch 1 vs 26,
Isaiah ch 48 vs 16,
Isaiah ch 53,
Zachariah ch 12 vs 10
Isaiah ch 9 vs 6-9
Micah ch 5 vs 2
Proverbs ch 30 vs 3-4
Ezekiel ch 1 vs 26-28
Daniel ch 7 vs 13-14
Exodus ch 24 vs 1
Genesis ch 3 vs 22
Read these scriptures of the Old Testament if you don’t believe
@@chuksrichard3598 None of those Scriptures show, or teach, a Trinity of divine persons.
Spirit - Translated - Justified
Soul - Transformed - Sanctified
Body - Transfigured - Glorified
Translated when born again, Transformed by the renewing of your mind , Transfigured at the Appointed Time .
Spirit - LIFE 🔥- Spirit - Son
Soul - TRUTH - WATER- Bride
Body - Way 🔥- Blood - Body
The Father , the WORD and the Holy Spirit agree in One in heaven as the Spirit , the WATER and the Blood agree in One in the earth ,,, ( Sanctified )
I suspect this man was influenced by the Australian Forum
Living Word,,, watching the Holy Spirit work ,,
In the lobby at the theater,,,
Kid 1 is witnessing Jesus to Kid 2,, kid 3 is pacing trying to decide, the Holy Spirit is telling him to stand on his head against the wall. He decided to be foolish for Jesus.
Kid 2 says OK if there is a God have Him have someone stand on their head right there right now,, and when he said now Kid 3 stood on his head against the wall. Kid 2 received Jesus, Hmmm 🤔❤️ Helleluyah
Living Word ,,, street Ministry apart from the church ,,,,
All will be taught by God,,, taught here is Sound Down into the Ears. Knock. Knock !
I can't tell whether or not you're Catholic or Christian. Which one are you?
He's Christian. You can read his book, Delighting in the Trinity. Deals with the same topics touched on in this sermon, elaborated in more depth, from more Scriptures, and quoting more historical theologians as well.
Why does this have to be about reformers? Why can’t you say believers in the lord why divide the body??
Reading the NT word for word, I have found 'GOD THE FATHER' THIRTY TIMES'! Wow! How many times did I find 'God the Son'? or/and 'God the Holy Spirit'? Oh dear! ZERO times! I asked myself "if the 'trinity' is the 'central doctrine of the Christian faith', then WHY cant I find a SINGLE definition of it? Since I have been arned by Paul at Acts 20:28-30 that "men would rrise & speak twisted things', I have decided to stick to th NT & not heed the explanations about God & Jesus that came well afterwards! I love the Word of God, not men!
Do you know why pastors do not want you to listen to the audio bible on your e devices? They want to control your inputs and thereby make you dependent. Matthew 23:13
Why do you keep on posting this ridiculous comment everywhere?
I don't know a single pastor who objects to Audio Bibles or reading on a phone.
The churchfathers couldn't figure out that the Father - who is a spirit ("God is a spirit") - is inside Jesus and is simply called "Holy Spirit" by Him (see the Jesus' sermon about the two blasphemies, directed to Son and Father). He helped Jesus in the desert and later when speaking. Thus no third person exists.
Lord and God are Yahweh's name for Baal ,,, Hmmm 🤔 ?
Sorry, unpopular view here. I heard a nice sermon, but unfortunately, I did NOT hear a definitive explanation of the Trinity! And ya know why? Because it can't be explained, and for some reason, man hasn't figured that out yet. Still thinks he's able to understand God. That's dangerous ground to stand on. When it boils down to it, Christianity is a function of faith given to you as a gift, not the ability to convince through eloquent words. No more than you can contemplate infinity, or explain where sin originated.
“For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
1 Corinthians 2:16
True Christians can understand God, because they have His mind.
When God proclaims "your ways are not my ways..." in the book of Isiah, I just so happen to be one of those idiots that believe him. I understand that I know in part ,and prophecy in part, I trust God when he says to me that one day "I'll see him as he is" as now I can't since I live in a sin tainted body.
@@AMessengerofTruth True Christian has the Holy Spirit to help them to understand
How can you worship what you don’t see?
You're right! You can't. And for sure, no one can by nature. But if you were driving down the road and got 2 flat tires, got out of your vehicle, walked 3 miles to get help, came back to your vehicle with a mechanic only to find those tires inflated properly, even though you didn't witness anyone fixing them, wouldn't it be obvious someone was there?
Here’s a news flash using your logic at 7:37. To be a father you have to have a mother who produced your offspring. Where is Jesus eternal mother?
Here’s your explanation : God existed before humanity’s “logic” came to be. God is outside of our human understanding, He is another realm, His own realm. so Newsflash: Watch it again.
So why are terms such as Father and Son used, if it’s outside of human logic? God would then forever remain a mystery and this quibbling about him being a trinity would be nothing more than silly trifles, like a dog chasing its tail.
Is that what God wants us to be? Dogs chasing our tails?
How can mere mortals be so arrogant as to try and 'define' or 'explain' the true nature of God! The biggest mistake that the 'church' made was to be 'dazzled' by the 'wisdom' & cleverness' of the 'church fathers' who mostly were educated & wealthy PHILOSOPHERS! Paul had warned the brothers Not to heed the 'philosophies of men' ( Col 2:8) Remember too that the apostles who gave us the NT were "Unlettered and ordinary men" They preached that there is just "One God & Father of all persons who is overall" (Eph 4:6) and that Jesus Christ was NOT 'God the son' ( no bible verse says this!) but the Son of God as John summed up in his gospel ( read John 20:31) Amen
Look there is no doubt that the FATHER, the SON & the HOLY SPIRIT are involved in our salvation! ( see Matt 28:19,20) But this is NOT the 'trinity'. For it to be true we need to find just ONE bible verse that states "There are three persons in One God" or "God the Father, God the Son & God the Holy Spirit". I will give £1000 to ANYONE who can find just ONE bible verse that clearly states this! no 'implications'!
Man’s Trinitarian definition of God is a third century, low resolution, overlay on scripture.
God’s definition of God is; “I am (a single person) the God OF Abraham, the God OF Isaac, the God OF Jacob”, the God OF all Israel. Jesus was OF Israel, son OF David, OF the tribe of Judah. Thus the God of Israel, the Most High God, is the God of Jesus. Who is the God of our Lord Jesus Christ? The Father of Glory (Ephesians 1:17). Not because he is God_the Father, where “the_Father” identifies what person of “God_the Triune” you are talking about, but because:
“For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord”. From this day onwards the “God of Israel” is referred to as “The God (and Father) of our Lord Jesus Christ”, (2 Corinthians 11:31, Ephesians 1:3, 1 Peter 1:3), because he is now a Father, who has a Son.
Matthew 3:17
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
John 10:36
“Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?”
John 17:3
“And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.”
Jesus is God’s son and not God himself. Philippians 2 tells us that he is “in nature God”, but partaking of the divine nature does not make him the same individual as God. They are separate identities. The Father is the only true God as Jesus said and Jesus is his begotten son who is divine in nature and existed with him before the world began just as John 1:1 says. The spirit is God’s spirit. It really is that simple.
The trinity only obfuscates the truth and confuses people. Let us truly believe in sola scripture and cast aside creeds and dogmas. Scripture is sufficient to explain God. We don’t need unbiblical words like “Trinity” to explain God. God never called himself triune so we should not.
The baptism of Jesus, something Trinitarians love to misuse.
Jesus is God's only begotten Son, not the "eternal Son." When God spoke from heaven, he was announcing his pleasure in Jesus of Nazareth, his only begotten Son, and put his own Spirit upon him. The dove was a visible symbol of this, not person #3.
What a load of deceptive waffle. He twists Paul's message to try and extract 'three'- and then claims God is 'triune'. Why does he not try and make the gospel fit the actual definition of the trinity as commonly cited in the creeds? Because he cannot- and it becomes a 'philosophical headache', to use his own words. The 'triune god' is a nonsense. He has made an idol of something which does not exist and which has been fabricated by heathen concepts creeping into the true gospel. Jesus has a God- His Father. Jesus said His Father is greater than Him. Jesus is not omniscient. If He is fully God, as in equal to the Father, then He must be omniscient. Jesus said He is not God: John 7:16. We have one God the Father 1Cor 8:6. Eternal life is to believe in the one true God the Father and Jesus Christ John 17:3 Yes, we can call Jesus 'God', but He is subordinate to the Father. His sole purpose is to glorify His Father. Please wake up, people, and stop adding to the Bible. See if you can answer this simple question- it's easy for anyone who is a true believer and sees the doctrine of the trinity for the false doctrine that it is.: Who is the Most High God?
Jesus told satan. It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.'" (Luke 4:8). Just listen to who Jesus claimed to be. Not the church or Paul. But Jesus. Jesus claimed to be the Son of man, our messiah.
You are a Heretic... Don't separate Jesus from Church and Paul. Christ loved the Church and died for it. Christ revealed himself to Paul....
Indeed, the Son of Man who was to go to the Ancient of Days, and receive the kingdom and all authority over all nations, and be worshipped and praised and honored by every people and nation, having received an everlasting kingdom (Dan 7:13-14). Jesus Himself prays to receive from the Father the glory He had before the world was (John 17). So yes, the Son of Man is the Son of God, and the pharisees who heard Jesus understood this was his meaning (John 10:22-38).
Blessings
@@bisto_qcj John 17:5 is God's foreknowledge of the suffering servant and his subsequent glorification, before the world ever came to be. It is NOT talking about two divine persons standing next to each other before the world was. And you can prove that Scripturally.
A nice British accent, some British wit, a reference to the great Martin Luther, or anything else forged by human wisdom cannot validate the false doctrine of the Trinity. While God the Father is apart from The Son and separate from the Holy Spirit, the doctrine remains seriously flawed, for the simple reason that it is NOT AT ALL expressed explicitly in God's word, the Bible. Those who believe in God should be true philologists, and trues philologists abide by Deuteronomy 4:2 as well as Revelation 22:18-19. In any case, why should we followers of Christ impose on God a word which he does not utilize? And why are we so adamant to promote a concept of God that God Himself does not endorse? "I and the Father are one." "Our fellowship is with the Father and the Son." "The Father is greater than I." "The Son is the image of the invisible God, the Firstborn over all creation."
Verse 4 uses the greek ; ὁρισθέντος horisthentos. which means to 'designate' to 'assign' to 'declare'. It suggests an authority BESTOWING a priviledge or honour on another ( Like Pete's words at Pentecost that Christ RECEIVED the Holy Spirit from God" Acts 2:33 and Jesus own admission that "All authority has been GIVEN me" Matt 28:18). Thus Rom 1:1-4 in NO WAY proves the 'trinity' in fact quite the OPPOSITE!. Just read Paul's further intros to his epistles; "Blessed be the God and Father OF our Lord Jesus Christ". Eph 1:3. 2 Cor 1:3. Col 1:3. ( Also 1 Pet 1:3) Even Revelation 1:6 "His God and Father". Jesus Father is his GOD! There is NO 'trinity' its FALSE!
RUBBISH!!! What about the 18 verses in the OT and 10 in the NT that allude to Beside me there is no God.
God the Father is not one of three distinct divine persons. God the Father is a unipersonal Spirit, who "came down from heaven" _without leaving heaven,_ and who manifested himself on earth in genuine human form - as his own Son, "the only begotten Son of God" - so that he could lay down his own life for us.
And this unipersonal Spirit - God the Father - revealed his name to be the name which is above _every_ name: *JESUS.*
@@bosse641
JESUS *_is_* JEHOVAH. And his God and Father.......is none other than himself.
*REVELATION 22:16 (KJV)*
*I JESUS* have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. *I am the ROOT **_and_** the OFFSPRING of David,* and the bright and morning star.
1. One who _succeeds_ David in a genealogy *is the SON of* one who _precedes_ David in that genealogy.
2. The offspring of David _succeeds_ David.
3. The root of David _precedes_ David.
4. Therefore, the offspring of David *is the SON of* the root of David.
5. The offspring of David is JESUS.
6. The root of David is JESUS.
7. Therefore, JESUS *is the SON of* JESUS; that is, JESUS is _his own_ Father (God the Father), and _his own_ Son (the Son of God).
_Revelation......._
Can you give me a verse FROM JESUS' words where He calls himself the Son of God?
@@davidmathews9633
Is John 10:36 what you're looking for?
@@bosse641
God the Father "coming down from heaven" _without leaving heaven,_ and manifesting himself on earth in genuine human form, as his own Son, and *laying down his own life for us* is not "messed up nonsense". It's actually *love.* *_Self-sacrificial_* *love.*
Where is the self-sacrificial love of the Unitarian "Father"? It doesn't exist. Same with the Trinitarian "Father".
@John Grytbakk your Theology is shipwrecked.
Christianity is false. My channel debunks Christianity and that pagan trinity.
@JesusisaMuslim Christianity is the true religion. The trinity is false.
@@TheCaledonianBoy
Around 90% Christians worship trinity. Then you got 1.2 billion Catholics worshipping Mary every day. The whole damn religion is false
How can you preach this that it is of god when Trinity the word Trinity is not even in the Bible anywhere not one single time and you were preaching that it is a trinity you are false doctrine.
A word doesn’t have to be in the Bible for it to be biblical.
Even bible is not in the Bible.
You sound like a JW
So you can preach what is not in the Bible and it's okay by you to be Bible what a deceived and lost soul the Bible is your direction to be saved to live life and be like Christ but yet you're willing to take something that is not in the Bible and say it is that's considered deception and not very smart just think about seriously we have to go by the Bible
@@rickeyperry7059 the word Bible is not in the Bible, so how can you tell me to read the Bible if the word bible isn’t even in there!
The Bible makes its clear that the greatest of all beings in the Universe is God. It states there is one God, that He is eternal and that there was never a god before Him neither shall there be one after Him.
The Bible makes it clear through progressive revelation over 1500 years of authorship this one eternal being is of one essence but contains three distinct independent beings not just modes. Each has a role and work to do. There is no jealousy, competition or difference in divinity.
These ideas and more have been encapsulated in a book inspired by the Spirit Himself - the Bible.
Christians (Tertullian was the first) have adopted one word to bring all this and more to mind - Trinity
Christian doctrine is full of single words that are non Biblical but bring to mind large and complex ideas.
The word Trinity may not be in the Bible but 99% of all true Christians will recognise instantly what you are talking about when you use this word.