The Ludicrously Dangerous Submarine that Somehow Became the First Sub to Sink Another Ship in Combat
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Hello :)
Mobile rhymes with moseal. (Yes I know moseal is not a word).
R Lee Spence had nothing to do with finding the Huntley
so dsmn annouying
Being from the Mobile Alabama area I would like to offer a bit of advice for this channel.
Mobile Alabama although spelled like the word for the ability to move is pronounced differently.
Instead of Mo-bile
Try Mo-beal
A hand-cranked submarine that sneaks up on ships to deliver a bomb detonated by a pull string is the most Wile E Coyote thing I've ever seen.
Even more Wile E Coyote when you get the wrong torpedo and end up exploding yourself in the process.
@@daviddavidson2357 the Hunley delivered the "torpedo" but the shock wave probably sank the Hunley.
Desperate times call for desperate measures
To bad they couldn't stuff a few more Democrats in the hunley
Actually the thing was very ingenious. Ballast tanks, emergency surfacing provisions, dive planes... this thing developed what makes submarines work today.
They just didn't have the technology to put it all together well. It's really no different than the super rushed development of the B 29 or other things developed during time of war. More B 29s crashed than were ever shot down.
Yall Take Care and be safe, John
16:37 "But when he suddenly took ill-"
Uh huh. I would also "suddenly take ill" if I had to pilot that thing.
*"Who wants to use this machine that has already killed a bunch of people?"*
Yup, pretty sure it's crazy contagious too. *cough cough* Making me have traitorous thoughts *cough cough*. Better keep me away from any sea weapons *cough cough*
As a Submarine Veteran, I'm humbled and amazed at what these early pioneers attempted with the technology at hand. It's dangerous enough today but nothing like what they faced.
The tidal currents in NY Harbor are horrendous. Amazing he did as well as he did.
I'm surprised he didn't kill himself.
They were in South Carolina, DUMMY.
At the Mobile Museum, there is a replica of the Hunley. a plaque there mentions the fact that Hunley and his partner initially envisioned electrical propulsion. If they had perfected that, just imagine, they might have developed electrically propelled torpedoes, as well...there might have been Confederate U-Boats. We're lucky technology was still a few decades too crude to let that happen.
No doubt that real life stories like this influenced jules verne
Speak for yourself, the South’ll Rise Agin
Yeppers@@StalinLovsMsmZioglowfagz
Yeah, that would have been awesome.
Underwater explosions near air pockets (submarine) = you don't want to be there
The air pocket inside the submarine wasn't the problem. The Hunley didn't cave in, which is the usual mode of failure that results in fatalities (by springing a big leak). From what we know, the crew died directly from the shockwave, they didn't have time to drown.
Air is way worse at transmitting shockwaves than water is, so in this case, the air would have actually helped. Obviously not enough, but it would have been even worse if the crew had been directly in water.
I was on the boat that pulled the Hunley our the water. I was a boy and my dad was a Tug boat captain. I enjoy studying the civil war(it started in Charleston SC my home) and this was really cool.
That's awesome. Must have been amazing to see in full when you first took it out.
@@captainbeastazoid7084 Back then the Confederacy was celebrated and it was a major event. It's something I'll never forget.
Grew up in Charleston, i remember when they raised the Hunley. Ive seen it in person at the museum there. Unbelievably small.
Lit ass birthday parties
Me too. Georgetown South Carolina. Went on a field trip to see the hunley in elementary school.
Start of the video: 1:43
Thanks.
Life saver
Cheers
Thanks.
Fart and Pee!
The use of foxfire as lighting was a pretty nifty idea
Indefinitely.
Mobile, as it relates to the city in Alabama, is pronounced “Mo-BEEL”
Incedibly brave men that deserve to be honored and remembered regardless of which side they fought for.
I visited the conservancy (in December) where the Hunley is being cleaned and prepped for eventual display out of water. It’s an amazing bit of tech. The archaeology shows that the crew fell asleep and expired, marooning her at the bottom of the sea. No punctures have been found - just dents. It’s amazing to see... and there was an effort way back then to fit a battery and electric motor.
If ever in Charleston, definitely go see her.
The Hunley museum is high on my bucket list! I've seen a video of some of the conservation done there and it's so impressive
When you've trained your whole career to be a sailor, just to get poke-bombed by the Dixiemobile
I've squeezed myself into a replica of the Hunley. It's not comfortable. The crank turns easily, but you work up a sweat in minutes. Amazing piece of work.
I guess comfort was not considered a necessity when designing this boat.
Though spelled Mobile, in the States it is pronounced [MOE-beel]. And yes we even have to comment on your pronunciation when speaking American. It's a compulsion.
Simon is getting roasted in the comments for the mispronunciation of Mobile 😂
Actually, other narrators get slammed when they mispronounce Mobile I actually am quite nice after all we're suppose to be nice here uh um :)
Which is dumb. Considering he's not from there his pronunciation is reasonable.
What about his pronunciation of porpise?
With the pronunciation of many English towns being wildly different from their spellings, he should have looked it up.
As a Mobilian... I winced a bit, I can't lie.
I remember watching them raise the Hunley on TV when I was in 8th grade. 8th grade social studies here is SC history, so we spent a ton of time talking about the Hunley since it's part of our state and local history and the raising was a big deal.
The way you pronounced mobile, Alabama, would be like me pronouncing the Thames like it was spelled.. the "thay mmm's river"
Thank you. Yes. This.
He did that on poor poise? (porpoise was the one that got me).
@@shaundoyle8791 it’s called a joke. Strange they don’t have humor where you’re from
@@shaundoyle8791 lol. We like to have fun around here. Poor poise.
@@mgcnashville6615 funny, you don't sound very fun.
It is like the spirit of the ship refuses to be piloted by any other then her creator.
But they should have really kept the creator around since it was an unfinished prototype.
Its pronounced "Mobeel" Bay.
Can't expect a Brit to know that
@@cleverusername9369 This site is about researched information.
AYEEE THATS WHAT I BEEN SAYING. IM FROM THAT SHIT HOLE 🕳️.
G'day,
Maybe so, maybe so..., ye could be right, it might be true ; and it's f'r certain that the term is,
"SPAR-Torpedo...",
rather than the
"Spear-Torpedo"
which was mentioned...
So called because the Explosive was rigged on the end of a wooden Spar (generally a spare Yard-Arm from a Square-Rigged Sailing Ship), lashed onto a Vessel's Bowsprit.
Used above the Water, it could be thought of as an explosive version of the Ramming Keel as used in Mediteranian Galleys thousands of years ago.
Underwater, it's suicidal to be so close to a Bursting-Charge...
But, the Hunley's 3rd Crew of Rebel Kamikazes pioneered that field of knowledge - apparently...(!).
Such is life,
Have a good one...
Stay safe.
;-p
Ciao !
@@cleverusername9369 true, but it is pronounced Mo Beel not Mo Bile nor Moble. Now Simon knows.
The Hunley is so tiny. Middle school me was awestruck that many people got in there, multiple times, after many deaths. That’s some interesting logic those people employed...
It was war, and many technolgical advancea were met with alot of death, especially when you were trying to find any advantage you could and took it even if it killed you
@@thegamingzilla6269 Exactly.
Fun fact I don't know if he mentioned but its at the Columbia sc Museum and its so tiny and claustrophobic its insane.
The real one is in North Charleston. The one in columbia is probably a replica like the one at the Charleston Museum
@@garlandblanchard8016 Right, it’s a replica. Truly conveys the claustrophobic nature of the original, though!
Living in Charleston, I vividly remember when they raised the HL Hunley from the murky waters of the harbor. I was only an elementary school kid, but I still remember thinking just how profound the whole ordeal was. Being able to go to the funeral where they were able to finally bury those men, who's remains still were left inside the preserved cabin of this craft, was a life changing experience. The HL Hunley was so far ahead of its time. It was brutally hot, deadly, and grueling; a marvel of modern engineering that would help propel subsurface warfare forward into what we see today.
I’m from Charleston and I was six years old when they brought her home. I even remember the ceremony when the crew was finally laid to rest.
@@ownage11445 believe we’re the same age!
You know its a bad design when it holds 8 crew but killed 21 of em..
Just on a purely tactical economy note, I wonder how many enemy it killed for every loss in building, testing, training, and deployment.
Nobody gave a shit about some dead soldiers. They were replaceable. They sank a ship that couldn't be replaced that easily.
@@gomahklawm4446 it is like little trolls just found internet and youtube or are scared to troll with their main account. It is sad and pathetic but we got to have little trolls i guess. Where is the big trolls? I am a lvl 99 troll slayer.
@@miskatonic6210 im pretty sure the union was fine.. in fact im pretty sure their blockade was still intact after that.. you know, modernized industrialization and such makes ship building very affordable so I dont know where you're getting this information.. the monitor class was mass produced in river cities plus the north had the largest ship yards.. oh, and confederate soldiers were not easily replaced as they were having major desertion issues because they were starving and losing the war.. learn history before you try to speak history..
@@w00tb0ss His ilk own youtube so they're not going away.
I love submarines. More of these type of videos would be great. Maybe the events that took out the kursk or the uss scorpion... just a thought.
The Kursk is really sad. The US Navy offered to send their rescue crew but the Russians turned them down.
Having read about this in the Cussler book this was very cool
Bit of a cursed vessel then, considering it kept killing its' occupants... :P
@@gomahklawm4446 why would you want anyone to die?
Quantum leaps in cutting-edge technology often have this problem. Check out how many test pilots died trying to get aircraft to go faster and higher. Kinda comes with the territory ... ^v^
The American Civil War also introduced the war balloon, war trains, and rifled cannons.
Edit: thank you for clarifying about rifled guns
Riffled barrels were around before that.
Sharp would disgaree with that statment. He had a whole regiment of rifles in the late 18th century
Lt Dixon was an ancestor of mine. I also served on submarines (688 boats) during my time in the Navy.
As a US Navy Submarine veteran, thank you for bringing the history of submarines to the masses! I remember learning about the Turtle and the Hunley in Boot Camp in 1994. EM2(SS) Vander Pol
I remember watching the live broadcast of when it was recovered back in 2000.
Thanks for this video. Having been part of the Silent Service, such history is always of interest.
I wasn't aware that they had finally determined the cause of the Hunley's sinking. Thank you.
Bro, Mobile is not pronounced moe-bile. It's moe-bee-all. Good story though.
Simon, honey, we love you here down in the south of Louisiana. Just one thing:
Mobile, Alabama is pronounced
moe-beal. Love you darlin! 💋
thank you being polite to Simon
We have shirts here in downtown Mobile that have the pronunciation on it lol. It's a whole brand called Moh-beel
@@JessiekaIsANerd I love it! I’ll have to get one
I remember goin to the event when they raised with my grandparents. It is truly terrifying thinking of being underwater in that tiny death trap
Knew what this was about before I even clicked it. :) The Hunley is well-known around these parts.
Around where? if you don’t mind that is.
@@blackoutlol2857 not sure where he is talking about but I live in the South and it’s fairly well known here
@@codymills2393 Yep. Georgia here. :) I remember first hearing about it in the newspaper when I was a teenager and it blew my mind that there was a semi-functional submarine in the Civil War. Amazing, though tragic.
@@blackoutlol2857 around the parts where they actively celebrate that treasonous flag.
Y’all still lost though
Take atour of the Hunley in Charleston and Patriots Point is of great interest also.
Yes dag nabbit
Hunley!
"Moe bye L"? It's pronounced "Moe beel"
Can't expect a Brit to know that
@@cleverusername9369 well, by that logic I shouldn't know how the Thames is pronounced, either. But, I do. Nevertheless... Just joking.
raised in the south and thank you
"Haha you don't know how the homograpghs of a niche culture you dont belong to!"
You sound like an dick.
The Americans speak a simplified and much bastardised version of the Queen's English...But it suits them. It's lazy and coarse.
He pronounced it correctly as an Englishman should.
"Hoist on one's own petard." Hey, somebody had to say it. ;-)
As if submarines didn't terrify me enough....
Are you kidding? The bonus fact alone is worth a thumbs up! Man...a submarine in the U.S. Revolutionary War.
Man I was hoping you would mention the turtle! And my hopes were answered at the end!!! Had no idea about the second attempt of attack though. I only knew about the first one. I believe there is a replica at a military museum in connecticut. I was young when my uncle took me there but the one thing that stuck with me was the turtle
There is also a replica in Monaco, in the Musée océanographique de Monaco. I got to sit inside it. It's so weird!
If anyone is looking for a great read, Clive Cussler is a brilliant maritime adventure author having plenty of great novels
To those in the comment section, Simon's mispronounciation "Mobile" is intentional. He's trolling everyone tryimg to correct him and former/current residents of Alabama.
I find it funny that he mispronounces it. And I am from Alabama. Hell every now and again I'll say like him just to irritate people.
The ever growing empire of simon whistler channels on youtube is phenominal with all kinds of educational videos every week
It is a goddamn miracle he even has time to take a shit. All the channels are all the personalities he has in him I bet :P
The Simon Whistler Experience!:-) 🖖
@@Yezpahr
I'm starting to suspect cloning. Each Simon has a slightly different personality, and gets a matching channel.
@@mitchellpatterson1829 I think we're on to something here...
@@mitchellpatterson1829 It's the only logical explanation. Like in the movie Moon.
This was one of my favorite audio books in my late teens. Absolutely crazy tech for the time
Very interesting - Insanely courageous
3:53 I know it's a weird pronunciation, but Mobile, Alabama is pronounced with the same short "i" found in "automobile".
I've been to the Magnolia Cemetery where the crew's are buried. It really a humbling location and think about what the last crew must have though about getting into the sub. The Hunley was still closed to the public for restoration when I was there last. It is on the list to go back and see!
So the Hunley was the first human guided suicide torpedo?
It was Never intended to be a suicide mission. Dixon and the crew made plans with the shore lookouts to arrange to give them a light signal that indicated the attack was successful and the HUNLEY was returning to port. The shore lookouts would then light a bonfire that the HUNLEY could use to navigate back since the entire Charleston coast was under blackout orders. Kamikaze's don't make plans to return ...
Great Great Grandpa's "Das Boot"
I normally watch videos at 1.25x speed -- but Simon is already speaking at 2x speed, it seems.
I just watch everything on 2x. I might be wasting my time by watching YT, but at least I waste half the time.
would have been nice if you included a bit about the USS holland
I think I remember seeing an actually half decent movie about this.
Hyde Hill
You are right. The name of the movie is The Hunley. It was made in 1999. I have a copy of it.
Wow awesome. I'm gonna have to get a Copy
@@nicholascrowder740 It's mostly just for entertainment and loaded with historical inaccuracies. Hunley wasn't incompetent, as implied, and Dixon didn't have a death wish due to his 'wife' dying earlier. Dixon's fiancée, Queenie Bennet survived the war in good health. Ted Turner took a little too much 'literary license' and was blasted by the historians.
Once it gets to around 10 minutes and Simon is drawling on about details of the equipment and design falibilities of a tiny, barely successful submarine ... he seems to drift away and is just reading text, with the obligatory occasional raised eyebrows, but in the end is not paying the slightest attention to what is coming out of his mouth. But ... SMASH that like button anyways.
I’m so happy to see you cover this amazing craft!
Simon. The city you keep referring to is pronounced *MO-BEEL* AL. ITS MY HOMETOWN. AND IT'S NOT SAID LIKE MOBILE PHONE
@John Barber no.
I'm sure sailors were delighted when they were given the prestigious honor of being the new crew for the CSS Hunley.
As the Turtle was first conceived in 1771 it is actually a British invention as the USA did not exist at the time and all involved considered themselves British, albeit born in America.
Pronounce Mobile, AL as
[mo-BEEL]
There was one finer point to the torpedo: doctrine said that the lower the angle of the spar, the more likely to sink the target. If the spar had been straight horizontal, they would have taken the blast wave at a more favorable angle and would have survived.
(Indebted to Lance's book In The Waves)
How convenient. I just watched Das Boot last night and was wondering this very thing.
Mobile, Alabama rhymes with Peel. ;)
Mo-Byle Alabama. It never even occurred to him that it's not pronounced that way. FYI, Simon... It's mo-beel
I’ve been to the Hunley and it is eerie. My family took part in the funeral service for the final crew, most likely the very last real Confederate funeral ever. I think it was 2005 when the scientists were completed their forensics.
I remember watching a movie about this when I was a kid thinking, who on earth would have ever volunteered for this thing!?
A video about Weather Station Kurt (Nazi weather station in North America) would be pretty unique, it’s a cool story no one has ever talked about.
Hey, Simon... Moe-beel Alabama.
The story of the SS Hunnly is at the same time one of the most insane and inspiring wartime stories of alltime.
CSS H.L Hunley
@@davidlogansr8007 Just H. L. HUNLEY ... historical documentation shows it was never "CSS" (though it looks good for merchandising).
Horace Lawson Hunley was my idek how many greats grandfather. Awesome vid
The confederacy has my respect while being out gunned and out numbered they still kept up with making amazing innovations and all the while they were putting up one hell of a fight . Its no wonder why the union did a naval blockade since the confederacy had support and backing from other countries so it was likey the only way for the union to squeak out a win. I love factual civil war's history from all areas and types but the American civil war is so interesting it is one of my favorites to study.
squeak out a win? hmm 🤔
You all heard the man, we have to get curiosity stream onto a 1993 casio watch screen.
But can I watch curiositystream on my Commodore 64? I know it's not the most modern system but it has a great dating app.
Brilliant reference!
Hi Simon. Great video. Love learning more about the early attempts at submarine warfare. For the record, the residents of the state of Alabama pronounce Mobile as (mo-BEEL). It's a lovely city. If you ever find yourself in the Southern US, it's worth a visit. There's a model of the Hunley built from the original plans at Battleship Memorial Park (home of WWII battleship USS Alabama and submarine USS Drum).
During the Battle of Savo Island a US Navy cruise had its bow blown off by Japanese shell fire. The bow was blown off directly in front of "A" turret. Communication with "A" turret was lost with no reply investigation revealed the entire gun crew from magazine to guns were found at their posts dead.
You should see this machine in person. It is stunning what men will do to kill other men. But The courage and bravery that these men showed is what GIANTS men are made of. Look at the artifacts. Their you will see a coin that was shot by a rifle.. Captain George Dixon was given a $20 gold coin by his sweetheart. .. Real Men in a real war.
Two things in my Comment. First, the bravery of the men to volunteer and encase themselves into the Hunley has to be admired. Second, when I read about the Hunley and watch a video on it, I am taken back to my younger days when I watch a historic movie in a You Are There vein about the development and the action of the Submarine. I don't if there are any other old timers out there that would remember those types of mini movies.
The Hunley wasnt just the first sub to gey a kill
It was the first sub that got a melee kill and the first to learn that this wasnt a good idea
What is it with submarines? DarkDocs also posted one on the same day about the only time a submarine destroyed another submarine underwater.
I grew up in Charleston and was fascinated with the mystery of the HL Hunley for as long as I can remember. I still hope to one day see the sub in real life. All I have ever seen was a mock up on display.
I know I'm being pedantic but - it's "Mo-Beel" nicht "Mo-Bile" 🤣
Me *Captain of the SS New York Circa. 1863*: T'is a fine day to be a Northy.
*Submarine Steam Engine begins whistling*
Crew Mate: Cap'n, i think a train is coming!!
Me: A Train? Lad we're 50 miles from land.
Crew mate: Aye sir, but the lads hear a steam engine
*Terrorists have planted the bomb*
AT Teammate: Cyka Blyat!!!
A watched a couple of documentary's about it recently including the finding and raising to salvage it.
I wonder if the fatal training accidents would've occurred if the general had left the Hunley under the control of its designers instead of confiscating it.
Exactly ... probably not.
As much as I've read and seen about the Hunley, that's still more information than I ever come across before.
My little brother was amazed by the story of the Hunley me not so much female here, I was more interested in Da Vinci's submarine's drawings myself, and the diving bells
Man, Idgaf about Submarines, Humanity's history of Warfare, none of that, but I'm about to watch it anyway because holy fk do you make these videos fun!
Takes quite a design for a single ship to kill her own crew 3 times over.
Fascinating as always, Mr. Whistler. Cheers!
Look up the story of the Dutch Walrus sinking the USA aircraft carrier Theodore Roosenvelt.
"During this exercise the Walrus penetrates the U.S. screen and sinks
many ships, including the U.S. aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt
CVN-71. The submarine launches two attacks and manages to sneak away. To
celebrate the sinking the crew designed a special T- shirt. Fittingly,
the T-shirt depicted the USS Theodore Roosevelt impaled on the tusks of a
walrus. It was also reported that the Walrus also sank many of the
Roosevelt's escorts, including the nuclear submarine USS Boise, a
cruiser, several destroyers and frigates, plus the command ship USS
Mount Whitney. The Walrus herself survived the exercise with no damage."
Guerilla warfare, no matter how big the army is, it is vulnerable.
During the Revolutionary War the Americans developed a small submersible called the Turtle that nearly blew up a British ship but could not attach the mine to the underside of the ship. Later it was sunk by the British near Fort Lee NJ USA
An over-heated, over-cramped submarine; a hand-cranked propulsion system; an extremely limited air-supply; a bomb at the end of a stick, operated by a pull-string device … *What could possibly go wrong with that?!?*
I did a research project on this it is so interesting!
So are you saying the Hunley also got the first sub kill too
I'm never this early! Great video! Thanks for another great video!
I hate this guy and normally skip his presentations but the Hunley’s story drew me in. My Late Wife and I attended the biggest Confederate Funeral since General Lee’s funeral in 1870! I participated as my then function as a War between the States Confederate Re-enactor, in April of 2004 when the remains of the H.L. Hunley’s final crew were entered in to eternal rest at Magnolia Cemetery in Charleston S.C
Not important but I thought I would share. Mobile, Alabama.... the ‘i’ in Mobile is enunciated like the double ‘e’ in bee. The e at the end is silent. Crazy American pronunciation when it comes to words right? Lol.