Think twice before you buy the Flight Deck
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- Опубліковано 13 бер 2024
- That could have turned out really well. Unfortunately, Turtle Beach focused on the wrong areas and neglected exactly the elements that are most important when designing a HOTAS system! I regret I can't recommend the Turtle Beach Flight Deck. Watch the review to see exactly why.
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The title is missing a "y". 🙈 It was late... very late...
Corrections:
- I accidentally called the gear lever a flap lever in the beginning
- Clarification: The "additional throttle" is an axis which can be assigned to flaps or anything else (coolers, prop pitch, ...)
This just confirms what I've been saying for a while already. Turtle Beach are the new Saitek of the sim space: amazing looks, good on paper, abysmal hardware and build quality that's not worth half the MSRP. Like it happened with Saitek though, I hope their emergence points the "pro" companies towards the direction current consumers are looking so we get even better stuff from them down the line.
Well said
Nice review! Thanks for explaining in detail what some flaws were!
Thanks! You're welcome! 🤗
Another great review, hitting on all the important points. Love the new format as well!
Thanks! I just added "myself" to the mix. It's that what you mean?
@@WatchMyshYes, it's a nice change having someone talk to you. Also I thought you would be ugly since you didn't show your face before, but you're actually quite handsome!
@@Xephyrra lol thanks! Made my day. :D
Great review!
I can 100% confirm all those mentioned things!
I personaly had:
- T-flight stick, T-Flight Hotas. No comment. Good for start thou.
- Then i bought my first Saitek X52 Pro (it's Logitech X52 Pro now). This one served good but wear out quite soon and started to have more woble and freeplay on stick.
- I tryed Saitek X56 Rhino for space combat. That one felt great with the weakest spring on the stick. But sadly the ergonomics are not great for my small hands. Sold that one too.
- So i went to T16000 with throttle and even with pedals + one more stick to try HOSAS. In the end i decidet to sell it because of the gimble tension arround 0,0 and the overall build choices.
- I went back to my second Logitech X52 Pro which i upgraded with magnets and lube and this one still serves well. Great ergonomy btw.
Recently i bought this Turtle Beach Velocity flight deck. On the videos an reviews it look sooo good, but guess what. It's basicaly just shiny, more tech loaded and expensive T16000 with the same bad gimbal on stick. I literaly just send it back. From my point of view it's absolutely not worth the money. It feels like cheap base with tons of random good and bad addons.
If there was only different gimble and more consistent quallity on all elements...
It's so pitty, noone really tell's you abbout the gimbal and i saw so many reviews.
I recomend to stay with the X52 Pro and save some money for VKB.
At least that's what i'm doing right now.
I really appreciate you honesty MYSH. Great work!
Hey mate. Thanks for the long and thorough comment. :) I don't know why some reviewers don't mention the gimbal. Maybe they don't know anything better than cup and ball and think it's the standard.
Check out my hotas overview if you ever need a new set. I try to inform as honestly as possible. I'd suggest you should try out the VKB Gladiator if you're searching for the best price to performance. Otherwise I think a cam based stick would make you really really happy because they are monstrously precise around the center, especially with no center cams.
Maybe it's a different kind of flight sim that I tend to do, but I can't imagine taking my eyes off the monitor to look at a display on the throttle or on the stick and that being a good decision.
Exactly. They should have rather ditched the touchscreen and put the saved money into a proper gimbal.
I looked at all the reviews for this product including yours, I decided to buy it because I wasn't thinking the situation with the wheels axes of the throttle was not so terrible.
Damn if I was wrong!!!
The product is a complete disappointment!
It's interesting because it's basically a T-16000 on steroids, but all its interesting features don't work properly on major simulators.
I think this video can even expand on how bad this product is, and I am one of those who wanted to concretely try it!
DON'T DO IT don't be fooled by the split throttle!
I should have paid more attention to your point, but I really didn't realize that half the stuff didn't work at all, thanks for your effort!
Yes, it's really bad. That's why I more or less stopped the review in the middle. Things were only getting worse and worse.
To think you could buy a WinWing Orion 2 throttle and stick for just £35 more than this. I love their F-16 throttle, been serving me well.
Here in Germany it's 15€ less for the WinWing kit
Where? For the stick and throttle I see are £600+
@@Oshia666 The WinWing site. Orion 2 HOTAS metal warthog, to be specific. £411.85
Choosing their other grips are around £515 to £560. Plus with UK trade channel shipping is free still, I think.
@@shyneus9773 No shipping, vat or import taxes? The last time I ordered abroad I was hit by all sorts of fee's and it upped the price a lot. I have the X52, I've had it for many years but the gimble is naff, it sticks and squeaks and minor adjustments are difficult. I was considering the Turtle Beach or the Warthog but if I can get the Orion 2 for the same price I sure as hell will.
@@Oshia666 If you use their UK site and order from the UK warehouses, no import or taxes. Shipping might still be free, unsure if that was temporary when they opened the UK stuff. I got my orion 2 with the f16 grips for ~500, no import or tax, no shipping cost. That was months ago tho
Correct me if I am wrong but I swear my VKB nxt evo space combat edition has better placed buttons and seems to be better made.
The Gladiator sits two leagues above the Flight Deck in terms of build quality.
@@WatchMysh And thanks to you I didn’t end up getting another low quality joystick. I would rather the thrust master MFD to a screen on the joystick but as a vr player, ideally, more games start making use of hand tracking would be cool (and save me money XD)
Can confirm, my NXT is a game changer.
excellent review
Thanks :)
I actually bought this Velocity HOTASS very cheap, hoping to get back into Space Sims. I think I have used every major brand out there before, including TM, Saitek, Logitech, Virpil and VKB. The most daunting thing for me was always, setting the HOTAS up in SC or ED. Unfortunately, no Sim dev cares about Turtlebeach, so there is no device support and I have to do all assignments manually. I have that thing for 2months now and still did not feel the mood to use it..haha. Something about it just doesnt sit right. I have also noticed that it has more physical buttons than you can assign. I mean you can click them, but they do not show up in Windows or Flight Hangar. Weird… also, the B1 button on the stick keeps falling off.
"Button keeps falling off" sums up the quality impression I had.
Yup, just like I imagined. The "gamer" look and the touch screen were already a giveaway if you ask me.
Totally
I pulled the trigger and gave this one a go, Im waiting for it to arrive tomorrow and now im seeing all the negative feedback. If i have any QC issues i may return it. I was mostly drawn by the sheer amount of controls available. This is admitably my first HOTAS system so the idea behind it was to have something that can adapt to all the different games i want to try with it, MSFS, Star Citizen (mostly), warthunder and maybe some BF2042. The display and general looks attracted me as a new buyer.
Unfortunately all the other products have been on the market for several years and ive seen their prices only go up. On forums i also see people very agressively trashing on products. Logitechs deck for example has its QC also coming up at every comment even after several years from its release.
Also looking into the competition I was unable to find any announcements by another company developing anything similar. Especially in terms of some kind of haptic feedback. Are you guys waiting for any releases? In what price range are we expecting them?
If you want quality devices I'd suggest you take a look at VKB, WinWing and Virpil. Check out my hotas overview video to see what's available. :) Like I mention in the video: for the same price you can get a Winwing Hotas system that's high end entry in terms of quality. It's also very adaptable. Get a set of pedals to go with it since it doesn't twist and you're good. There are lots of combinations available that are easily as versatile as the Flight Deck. The displays are just gimmicks in my opinion and look flashy. I'd rather get something with real flip switches you can operate without looking at them.
@@natedogg7376 Glad you like yours. Other people comparing stuff is not a "hate echo chamber" though. The WinWing set is cheaper and several leagues above the Flight Deck in terms of build quality. So that's not elitism either. Why pay more for less even if you don't fly a lot? I' d suggest you go try out the mentioned products. You'll spot the differences immediately. I had high hopes for the Flight Deck since we're still missing an affordable mid range HOTAS system. In my books is was a disappointment though.
//edit:
A VKB Gladiator NXT EVO combined with an Orion2 also is around 400€ and of a lot higher quality. Don't even need pedals then because you have twist. That's just how it is - no hate here.
Hi did you get your Hotas and try it with Star Citizen ?
@@diddelmann9145 Hey, yes. I am playing star citizen with it. Overall it is a mixed experience. The OLED screen is still not very functional. The abundance of buttons tho is. Quality wise its okay. I was lucky and received one of the fine units. I do have some weird bugs here and there, but nothing a restart doesn't fix, and firmware updates keep improving the functionality of the devices.
i love your videos
Thanks! I love you folks who are watching & loving them! :)
Hi Mysh! I remember you made a video about bombing guide i requested in War Thunder, since then.. i give it a try to play in Air SB which the gamemode i prefer over RB (i suck) now, maybe u can make a video about how to Air SB (Objective to do, Mouse Keyboard Settings suggestion, How to not how to do, Tips etc.) can you?
Hey :) I'm sorry but I can't since I don't play air SB. I mostly play IL2 or DCS if I want to play a "proper" sim so I never got into War Thunder SB.
got x52 pro for 100 euros a few weeks ago almost new, works great, but I want to add weight there and if possible decrease the tension near edges of a gimbal. Bought some counterweights used to balance car wheels, will try to stick them into the base/throttle XD
VKB is practically unavailable in Europe, they offer 'air delivery' which results in smth like 250 euros only for a stick, crazy
VKB has an email notification for availability alerts. I've heard it works quite well. :)
@@WatchMysh after I will break x52 during my attempts to modify it 😅
@@sneakyfildy lol. Don't kill it. The X52's problem is the center spring. But there surely are mods out there to soften it a little.
That's not a crazy price for a well made stick. VKB sits several notches over Logitech and Thrustmaster. Look into Win Wing, might be easier to get and pricing is more transparent.
he called one of the toggle switches a flap leaver, wrong, he said theres another throttle on the throttle, wrong that is the flap leaver, dont trust reviews that get simple things wrong, in other words, this guy has no idea what hes saying
I never called the switches flap lever. I said "Among the controls is a flap lever and some momentary switches". The switches also aren't toggles, but momentaries. The axis you mentioned is an independent axis that can be used as I flap lever or another throttle / cooler / whatever axis. That's a problem with my wording, not me being clueless. (It's lever without the "a" by the way.)
The real error was that I accidentally called the gear lever a flap lever in the beginning, but you missed that ... I'll put that in the sticky, though.
In the end though nothing changes the fact that the Flight Deck is an overprized flimsy piece of tech.
@@WatchMysh whatever you say, I've seen 10 reviews telling me to buy it and showing how to config it, you did say the obvious flap lever on the throttle was another throttle, what kind of throttle has 100 on the bottom, obvious flap lever, sorry but i dont trust people who make simple mistakes on things this important 😁
I just explained you why I called it like that. I see so many sticks and throttles within a year, for me it's just another axis. It can be used as a flap lever, a throttle, whatever you want it to be. You're taking a slight error of my script to discredit my whole assessment. I know you want the Flight Deck to be good ... exactly as I hoped, too.
It isn't.
Look up similar priced products like the WinWing Orion2 HOTAS set. It's mostly metal, comes with a gimbal that smokes the Flight Deck effortlessly and has superior ergomomics and even more controls.
But feel free to dump your hard earned money for flimsy plastic crap. Just don't cry later that nobody told you.
Ich habe es schon unter dem Community Post vorhergesagt
Jup. Ich hoffe ja immer auf das Beste aber im Grunde war es zu erwarten.
Just got this first try only the right throttle works when split to to throttles when both connected none of the throttles work if any one could help wood be good but yer
Return. Buy proper system for the same price.
Oh. This could have been good. Ah well 🤷
yeah ... :-/
$699AUD in Australia...
You seem to be the only one not impressed so I guess I will have to take your comments with a grain of salt. I will agree its too expensive.
Hey. :) Depends on the bubble you're getting your reviews from. I'm by far not the only one. A lot of very experienced HOTAS content creators share my point of view. To verify just go to r/hotas and ask about the Flight Deck's overall quality there. Or in the HOTAS discord. Doesn't matter.
@@WatchMysh also most players are coming from thrustmaster x or one and compared to them the flightdeck is miles ahead. When you have graduated to the pro league with vastly superior tech then dropping down to the flightdeck is like slumming it. I personally am happy with my flight deck especially using the lcd buttons to test combinations etc. I come from logitech yoke or T.16000M and feel i have upgraded with turtle beach giving then dues afterall they are reasonably new to the flight controller world
@@billfletcher9761 Glad you're happy with it. Coming from a wobbly Hotas X the Flight Deck must feel like a surgical Instrument.
Still I'm just comparing price to performance and build quality within the bigger picture. The Flight Deck can't compete here. I wish it could since I like the idea of a "good casual midrange set". Maybe next time? We'll see.
You’re comparing a console flight stick to a PC flight stick. Console players always pay a premium
Good point. I review for PC, though.
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Hi! :)
This is not good advice at all. Telling people to just throw thousands at a HOTAS system is insane. You obviously don't understand WHO this is for. The all-in-one approach of this system is very good for the price. A beginner isn't going to buy over-priced sticks and mounts for their first entry into sim flying.
How is this bad advice if you can get by far better quality gear for LESS money? I never told anyone to throw thousands at anything. Did you even watch the video? I perfectly understand who this is for: people who dont know there's a lot of better gear but just not on Amazon. The Flight Deck is full with pretty rgb lighting but sells you the worst gimbal construction of them all at a premium price. It's on the same level as a t16000 stick for 60 bucks...
But as I told another person before: It's your money. Burn it for an overpriced chunk of plastic as long as you want. But don't forget: A 100 Dollar Winwing Ursa Minor stomps this set easily which leaves you with 300 bucks for a high quality throttle.
If you don't believe me go to r/hotas and ask there.
This channel literally has videos reviewing HOTAS gear from budget to high-end. Turtle Beach unfortunately spent more money on the aesthetics of this HOTAS and not the quality. It's basically this generations X-56.
It’s definitely worth taking the time to do in depth research and investing a bit more in these kind of peripherals. I got a pair of t16000m sticks a year or so ago and more recently the throttle and already have decided to spend the money to invest in the vkb gladiator premium for the right hand and Omni throttle for the left hand. The ball and cup gimbal in the thrustmaster worked fine for games like construction simulator but when using it to fly the center spring throws off fine control (though I did do the spring mod to the right stick). In the end I regretted not just saving up a little more and getting better gimbals from the start.
This turtle beach flight deck seems like it’s the worst of all options going by reviews I’ve seen. $400 is expensive for such cheap construction, you’re paying for lights and fancy options (which don’t seem to work well) and sacrificing the most important part which is the gimbal. It’s a shame because I really like some of the design choices they made for this HOTAS. I love the indicators for the throttle positions, maybe not that important but it’s a neat touch in my opinion. If I do get another throttle it will probably the vkb stecs or something similar but I’ve decided it’s better to save and go for a better device for the long run instead of taking chances on the cheaper options
Exactly. Everything.