Hey mark I noticed that that is a Lee conical with rings ment to be lubed . That does help with accuracy. My Thompson center renagade has a 1 in 48 twist wich is a ( in the middle ) twist . And they are very hard hitting and do a number on deer as well . The slower twist ( 1 in 66 ) is more for a patched round ball . Thanks for all the great things you do for the sport !!!!
Yes, I know to lube them now. That's really the 1st time I tried conicals. I'll definitely will use a lube on them if I try this again someday. Thanks for watching.
On the rifles I've built, I used Green Mountain Barrels. They range from 1 in 60" to 1 in 70" twist. 1 in 48" is more of a general purpose rate. The conicals you used look Lee R.E.A.L. Never tried them. I'm happy with rounds in my rifles. Anyway, thanks for posting. A day of shooting is a good day.
Another 150% awesome video.. We prefer the round balls all the way... your awesome there's no one I love to watch more then you... you make My Sundays fantastic ❤️
Amen sister, I'm with you regarding the round balls!! I just had to try those conicals & glad I did because I'll stick with the round ball! Thanks for watching.
Mark, Great video I agree with you I would leave conical balls to modern muzzle loaders like the CVA’s Accura and Wolf and other inline muzzleloaders. Round Balls are the best to shoot !!! and God Bless you !!!
Not to be a spoiler, but a 1 in 48 twist isn't a slow twist barrel. In fact Thompson center started the trend in rifling with the introduction of its Hawkin. I medium twist to attempt to handle round ball, and the company line maxi ball bullets. A full bore conical that later added the maxi hunter line of bullets also a conical. In my opinion the 1 in 48" twist shoot either very well. The point of impact will change from one bullet to the next one load to the next. Mountain man
Round balls Yes ! I’m with you on that ! 👍 But I’ve taken deer with the conical, they take out a whole lot of meat ! Lube may have helped your shooting. But stay with what works for you ! Glad to see you try this, it was fun and informative ! Pioneer flats shoot is coming closer ! 👍😃 Hope to see you and a lot of friends ! Blessings 👍😃
This is Rich Martin. Wow you finally and actually did the video. Those maxi balls are twice to weight of the round. They should really kick. Thanks for doing the video, that was fun
You were shooting a Lee R.E.A.L. Bullet ( Rifling Engraved at Loading) The need to be lubed before shooting . Those bullets are fairly short and made to shoot well in a 1-48 twist barrel . I do not have a mold for .50 Caliber but shoot the 200 grain .45 caliber in a 1-66 twist Numic Arms barrel and they shoot well over a stiff charge of Black powder . Sabots are another thing entirely they are a plastic sleeve that holds a smaller diameter bullet most common is a bullet of .44 (.429") caliber your 1-48 twist can shoot a .44 caliber bullet upto about 240 grains well with a sabot . My 50 caliber side hammer Traditions gun has a 1-20 twist and shoots saboted bullets and heavy full bore bullets very well . Round balls will shoot well with 10-30 grains of black powder above that they strip in the rifling and shoot poorly . I have fired some 240 grain bullets in a sabot from a 1-36" twist barrel however it is a Sharps - Shilo chambered in 50-3 14" cartridge gun . Over 110 grains FFG without cleaning the bore at 50 yards two would touch then the third shot would be close and the fourth shot would fly wild . A good cleaning of the barrel brought about the same point of impact as the first two shots , I assume the black powder residue damages the plastic in the sabot. Thanks for the video on this nice Sunday morning it is 55 degrees and clear here in Michigan.
@@blackpowdermaniacshooter I do feel good using the load on game it also really ruins water jugs . The barrel is 33 inches from the .45 muzzle loader and 34 inches from the Sharps so the powder is well used to get energy. The sabot loads in the Sharps were just an experiment I use 450 grain cast bullets to hunt .
I'm going to guess before I watch the video, I think the round ball will be more accurate though I think the conical should be more accurate. YES!!! The round ball wins! Lucky guess. Awesome video 👍
I have molds for these R.E.A.L. bullets in 45, and 50 cal. There are only a few rifles that like em. Most of the Thompson Center, Renegade, and Hawken style rifles love them! However, you can't load much more than 60 grains of ffg, or fffg, or you will loose accuracy. Mine like 55gr of fffg, and they pack a wallop on deer, and go straight thru. For deer hunting, I actually prefer them more than using the rb. More serious wound cavity, less tracking, better blood trail. You have to do lots of experiments trying different loads projectiles,and powder charges, and different granulations of powder, with any muzzleloader, to see what the rifle is most accurate with. But when I'm hunting traditional, with a long rifle, Round Ball Only. Hope this helps. Thank you fer another enjoyable video Mark, and Mrs, BPMS!
The 1/48" twist is a good conical (compromise twist) only when shooting heavier charges of powder. Try 90 to 100 grains in that 50 caliber with a 1"/48" twist rifling. Now, with patched round balls, you would want a lower powder charge of not more than say 60 to 70 grains of powder.
The Lee R.E.A.L. you were using are designed to just drop in like a Minie until you get to the top, which is what engages the rifling, In fact the abbreviation stands for "Rifling Engraved At Loading" They probably exist mainly for people like me who have fast twist inlines and still want to cast their own. The formula I was given for round ball was twist rate X Caliber X 2 = max BP. (This is from cap&ball) So your .45 rifle with a 48 twist it is .45 X 48 x 2 = 43 grains max, beyond which you run an increasing risk of the ball not holding the rifling. The Civil war Springfield was a .58 with a 72" twist. You could have fired round balls with up to 84 grains of powder in those. But in my sad modern inline with its 28" twist - no more than 28 grains, I have to load it like an 1851 Navy if I want to use round ball. But it shoots solid base conicals just fine. I have over a dozen black powder rifles and only the 28's can fire both, and even then not with the same powder charge. In my 20" twist rifles the max powder charge makes them oversized BB guns, with them its the R.E.A.L. or the plastic sabot crap they were made for, which I do not use.
Remember my wife's heyboy farm planter? Well the honey suckle survived and the pieces are now climbing the elderberry tree higher than me! The corner of my garden has 8 feet of flowers and berries! So there is proof that 50 cal heavy bullets are no match to the mighty honey suckle starts at 40 yards! Lol the planter was quietly sent to the recycle. My ego is still in recovery. The wife is still on the look out. Cuddling her farm pots with raised eyebrows! Sheish bow winkle! Lol
I know that my CVA Mountain Rifle .45 with its 1/66 twist shoots the old T/C Maxi bullets extremely well. I know out to 140 yards it groups within about 3-4 inches off a rest and 70 grains FFG Goex. Every gun tends to be different. My Traditions .50 Kentucky and Tennessee rifles prefer roundballs, and my Pedersoli .32 Kentucky is a roundball only gun.
I think it was pretty good Shootin Mark and a lot of fun too! You did nip some caps for ser! And you did do better with round balls compared to those conicals. Now if I had a Springfield or Enfield I’d shoot conicals because they were made for it. But I don’t have them so round ball works good on my muskets and my 50cal. Mountain rifle, Hawkin type. Kind Thanks Brother Mark, Many Blessings and Jesus Loves you too and I think may be round ball too. What do you think? DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
Patched round balls and Hornady perfect rounds are my choice. Deer pray for conicals unless it's coming out of a T/C 209/50 with 150 grains pushing it. Belted conicals out of the T/C are awesome. That said, in the flintlock or percussion I'm a round ball man.
From my limited experience, some slow twist guns will indeed shoot a conical decently. Not all, and not tack drivers, but easily minute of deer at modest distance. Also found conical and mines shoot best with heavier powder charges.
With a shorter barrel and a higher twist rate my little flintlock shoots 'em pretty darned good. Then again, I do lube mine with pure lard. You had 280 grains in the short ones and 340 grains in the longer ones. Sometimes, not often but sometimes the 340's will tumble. I had to reconfigure my entire load set when I swapped from PRB to the REAL projectile. I had to use just a bit more powder to get the heavier projectile where I wanted it.
I'm not interested in trying to figure those rascals out. I'll stick with what works for me - round balls! Thanks for the conicals my friend. That was a very enlightening experiment.
I'm not interested in trying to figure those rascals out. I'll stick with what works for me - round balls! Thanks for the conicals my friend. That was a very enlightening experiment.
Hi Mark! Modern Conicals are designed for 1:48 or higher twist rates. There is one, however, that might work. The old Minnie ball fired out of the Springfield in 1861 was spinning at rates VERY similar to your flintlock ( 1:60 ?). I don't think you can find one in 50 caliber, but if you could, you might have better luck. Round balls would probably still be more accurate, anyway.
Yes, It was posted a few weeks ago. If I'd known...you would have been invited too. Here is that wacky redneck video: ua-cam.com/video/Q7HchXOuBpY/v-deo.html
those conicals need a fast twist barrel they if theyre going to be used in slow twist barrel they need a big load from what im told also those flat base bullets (heelbase maybe ?) need a hollowed out base so that the pressure can expand the base to better grip the rifling the conicals are generally lighter than the round balls so they need a faster twist barrel to get the projectile spinning faster because the lighter the bullet the faster its spin decelerates and begin to tumble at the ranges you were shooting though deceleration and tumble shouldnt have been an issue probably needed more conicals to get the rifle sighted in then i suspect your accuracy would have been as good or above normal as compared to round ball
I use a felt wad between powder and conical. I have great accuracy doing that in my Thompsen Hawken. If I don't put a wad behind the conical, my accuracy goes to crap.
"REAL" lyman bullets, the top band was supposed to be oversize to engage rifling, the lower for grease . When shot the bullet would "obturate" to fill rifling. For the rifles with shallow grooves and 1/48 twist mostly.
Also, bullets generally shoot better with the tightest part of the barrel at the muzzle,, my bet is the "coning" of the muzzle would ruin accuracy with "conicals".. i'm quite sure the later t/c barrels that had that type relief built into muzzle were known for poor shooting.
A few issues. Those are REAL bullets and serve a specific purpose as to how they should be loaded. Rifling is cut into them on a load. Also lube them. Instant accuracy.
Yes...I had a few issues with them. Although I didn't lube them, ( didn't know any better ) I'll stick with shooting round balls. Easier to load & more accurate at short distances for me. Thanks for watching.
Yes...I had a few issues with them. Although I didn't lube them, ( didn't know any better ) I'll stick with shooting round balls. Easier to load & more accurate at short distances for me. Thanks for watching.
I've been reading all the comments here and on FB regarding this video. About 90% of the shooters says I didn't need a patch. The rest says I need one for better accuracy. Since I'm mainly a round ball shooter, I really don't have an answer.
The Lee bullets you can put Lube them you can use a patch, you can turn them upside down can you take a hammer flattened out a little bit make a little wider I've tried it all they do not shoot out stop my mother's loaders I've got five and those five muzzleloaders will shoot everything else good round balls Sabbath hey they all love the 420 grain no excuse bullet they shoot excellent
So, for starters, you should be shooting at paper to see how the conicals shoot since its the equivalent of not testing your load then blaming the rifle when you miss. Secondly those conical bullets are designed to be lubricated, Hence the lube grooves present on the sides. Third, shooter uses two different length which are going to hit different from the other conical and the patched round ball In short, no conclusions should be made from this "test"
@@blackpowdermaniacshooter , I seldom wipe also. But I do have a couple guns that seem to need it after a while. They are small caliber and/or flint locks.
Hey mark I noticed that that is a Lee conical with rings ment to be lubed . That does help with accuracy. My Thompson center renagade has a 1 in 48 twist wich is a ( in the middle ) twist . And they are very hard hitting and do a number on deer as well . The slower twist ( 1 in 66 ) is more for a patched round ball . Thanks for all the great things you do for the sport !!!!
Yes, I know to lube them now. That's really the 1st time I tried conicals. I'll definitely will use a lube on them if I try this again someday. Thanks for watching.
On the rifles I've built, I used Green Mountain Barrels. They range from 1 in 60" to 1 in 70" twist. 1 in 48" is more of a general purpose rate.
The conicals you used look Lee R.E.A.L. Never tried them. I'm happy with rounds in my rifles. Anyway, thanks for posting. A day of shooting is a good day.
lots of people are saying the lee r.ea.l. bullet isnt accurate but then theres people saying theyre great
I'm with you my friend....I much prefer round balls.
You forgot to grease the groves on the mini ball brother
... I don't think he forgot , I think he just doesn't know better... he may be from kentuck , but I think he's kinda new to the sport
Yeah..I know. That shows everyone just how much I know about shooting conicals. Thanks for watching.
From what I heard, Those grooves are to help catch the wind and stabilize the bullet after it leaves the barrel.
@Nick-md2ro no my friend those groves are supposed to be grease instead of the use of the grease patch
@@Nick-md2ro ... your thinking about grooved shotgun slugs and smooth bore shot guns
Round balls rule. You did a fine job Mark.
Amen...I totally agree!
Lots of fun for a Sunday morning. Love it!!!
Amen....!! Best hobby on the planet!
Another 150% awesome video..
We prefer the round balls all the way... your awesome there's no one I love to watch more then you... you make My Sundays fantastic
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Amen sister, I'm with you regarding the round balls!! I just had to try those conicals & glad I did because I'll stick with the round ball! Thanks for watching.
@@blackpowdermaniacshooter Your FANTASTIC PLEASE keep making my Sundays awesome. ❤️
@@triciahisler4598 Whenever I'm home...I plan on it, thanks....
Slow twist don’t like conicals, but I wonder if you had greased them if they would have done better
I didn't know one should grease them. If I try this again, I'll definitely grease them! Thanks for watching.
Mark,
Great video I agree with you I would leave conical balls to modern muzzle loaders like the CVA’s Accura and Wolf and other inline muzzleloaders. Round Balls are the best to shoot !!! and God Bless you !!!
Amen brother....I 110% agree!
Amen brother....I 110% agree!
Not to be a spoiler, but a 1 in 48 twist isn't a slow twist barrel. In fact Thompson center started the trend in rifling with the introduction of its Hawkin. I medium twist to attempt to handle round ball, and the company line maxi ball bullets. A full bore conical that later added the maxi hunter line of bullets also a conical. In my opinion the 1 in 48" twist shoot either very well. The point of impact will change from one bullet to the next one load to the next.
Mountain man
I may try this again in a Lymans GPR. It has a 1 X 66 twist rate. Should be very interesting.. Thanks for watching.
@@blackpowdermaniacshooter yep that's a sound platform. For the test
Round balls Yes ! I’m with you on that ! 👍 But I’ve taken deer with the conical, they take out a whole lot of meat ! Lube may have helped your shooting. But stay with what works for you ! Glad to see you try this, it was fun and informative ! Pioneer flats shoot is coming closer ! 👍😃 Hope to see you and a lot of friends ! Blessings 👍😃
Yes...I had to try it out. I'm not too impressed! See you guys soon..!
God bless brother another great and fun video
Thanks for watching my friend....
This is Rich Martin. Wow you finally and actually did the video. Those maxi balls are twice to weight of the round. They should really kick. Thanks for doing the video, that was fun
It was fun Rich. I put that video together about a month ago. It was fun and informative! Thanks for the suggestion.
Very cool Mark. You folks have a wonderful week brother. God bless
Thanks brother...! You too!
Thanks brother...! You too!
@@blackpowdermaniacshooter you are very welcome brother.
You were shooting a Lee R.E.A.L. Bullet ( Rifling Engraved at Loading) The need to be lubed before shooting . Those bullets are fairly short and made to shoot well in a 1-48 twist barrel . I do not have a mold for .50 Caliber but shoot the 200 grain .45 caliber in a 1-66 twist Numic Arms barrel and they shoot well over a stiff charge of Black powder .
Sabots are another thing entirely they are a plastic sleeve that holds a smaller diameter bullet most common is a bullet of .44 (.429") caliber your 1-48 twist can shoot a .44 caliber bullet upto about 240 grains well with a sabot . My 50 caliber side hammer Traditions gun has a 1-20 twist and shoots saboted bullets and heavy full bore bullets very well . Round balls will shoot well with 10-30 grains of black powder above that they strip in the rifling and shoot poorly .
I have fired some 240 grain bullets in a sabot from a 1-36" twist barrel however it is a Sharps - Shilo chambered in 50-3 14" cartridge gun . Over 110 grains FFG without cleaning the bore at 50 yards two would touch then the third shot would be close and the fourth shot would fly wild . A good cleaning of the barrel brought about the same point of impact as the first two shots , I assume the black powder residue damages the plastic in the sabot.
Thanks for the video on this nice Sunday morning it is 55 degrees and clear here in Michigan.
Wow my friend...110 grains in the barrel? Sounds like a beast! Thanks for watching.
@@blackpowdermaniacshooter That barrel has a very heavy breech and a musket cap to fire the gun .
@@jamessullivan1152 I wouldn't want to get hit from anything that rascal can deliver!
@@blackpowdermaniacshooter I do feel good using the load on game it also really ruins water jugs . The barrel is 33 inches from the .45 muzzle loader and 34 inches from the Sharps so the powder is well used to get energy.
The sabot loads in the Sharps were just an experiment I use 450 grain cast bullets to hunt .
In that Sharps, you need a good black powder lube for those lead conical, like DLG OR SPG lube.
Good Sunday morning to everyone. Good video 💥🎯 Remember everyone Jesus Christ in your life and heart is the answer ✝️🙏
Amen...I agree Jesus loves us.
Good video Mark! Keep it up.
Thanks for watching my friend...
I gave you a thumbs up just because you make me laugh😂
Thanks for watching my friend..
I'm going to guess before I watch the video, I think the round ball will be more accurate though I think the conical should be more accurate. YES!!! The round ball wins! Lucky guess. Awesome video 👍
Yep....I'm amazed. I assumed the conical would be more accurate. I was glad to find out they aren't. I'll stick with round balls.
Yep....I'm amazed. I assumed the conical would be more accurate. I was glad to find out they aren't. I'll stick with round balls.
Great video Dennis I appreciate it 👌👍🔥
Thanks for watching...I'm the older brother.
I have molds for these R.E.A.L. bullets in 45, and 50 cal. There are only a few rifles that like em. Most of the Thompson Center, Renegade, and Hawken style rifles love them! However, you can't load much more than 60 grains of ffg, or fffg, or you will loose accuracy. Mine like 55gr of fffg, and they pack a wallop on deer, and go straight thru. For deer hunting, I actually prefer them more than using the rb. More serious wound cavity, less tracking, better blood trail. You have to do lots of experiments trying different loads projectiles,and powder charges, and different granulations of powder, with any muzzleloader, to see what the rifle is most accurate with. But when I'm hunting traditional, with a long rifle, Round Ball Only. Hope this helps. Thank you fer another enjoyable video Mark, and Mrs, BPMS!
One thing I left out, the conical's do load easier.
What do you use for lube? I got some murphys soap, castor oil, and bees wax to try
I use mostly Thompson center bore butter, but a blend of castor oil and beeswax would be fine.
The 75 grains 2F was beast to shoot with that conical. It about beat my shoulder into submission! LOL Thanks for watching.
Absolutely Mark. Those bullets weigh 320 grains each. Yer welcome sir, and Thank you.
Good morning from Syracuse NY brother and Praise the Lord and boiling hot coffee time
Thanks for watching. ...amen brother.
@@blackpowdermaniacshooter you are welcome brother and I shared your video with other black powder shooting groups
@@earlshaner4441 Thanks my friend....
@@blackpowdermaniacshooter you are welcome my friend
The 1/48" twist is a good conical (compromise twist) only when shooting heavier charges of powder. Try 90 to 100 grains in that 50 caliber with a 1"/48" twist rifling.
Now, with patched round balls, you would want a lower powder charge of not more than say 60 to 70 grains of powder.
I tried about 75-80 grains 2 F on that one shot. I still couldn't hit it! LOL. Thanks for watching.
The Lee R.E.A.L. you were using are designed to just drop in like a Minie until you get to the top, which is what engages the rifling, In fact the abbreviation stands for "Rifling Engraved At Loading" They probably exist mainly for people like me who have fast twist inlines and still want to cast their own.
The formula I was given for round ball was twist rate X Caliber X 2 = max BP. (This is from cap&ball) So your .45 rifle with a 48 twist it is .45 X 48 x 2 = 43 grains max, beyond which you run an increasing risk of the ball not holding the rifling. The Civil war Springfield was a .58 with a 72" twist. You could have fired round balls with up to 84 grains of powder in those.
But in my sad modern inline with its 28" twist - no more than 28 grains, I have to load it like an 1851 Navy if I want to use round ball. But it shoots solid base conicals just fine. I have over a dozen black powder rifles and only the 28's can fire both, and even then not with the same powder charge.
In my 20" twist rifles the max powder charge makes them oversized BB guns, with them its the R.E.A.L. or the plastic sabot crap they were made for, which I do not use.
Wow...! What a wealth of awesome information, thank you.
Round balls win again!!!! Love it. 🌝
Amen brother!
Remember my wife's heyboy farm planter? Well the honey suckle survived and the pieces are now climbing the elderberry tree higher than me! The corner of my garden has 8 feet of flowers and berries! So there is proof that 50 cal heavy bullets are no match to the mighty honey suckle starts at 40 yards! Lol the planter was quietly sent to the recycle. My ego is still in recovery. The wife is still on the look out. Cuddling her farm pots with raised eyebrows! Sheish bow winkle! Lol
LOL....Thanks for watching.
awesome job, great video
Thanks for watching...this one was enlightening..!
I know that my CVA Mountain Rifle .45 with its 1/66 twist shoots the old T/C Maxi bullets extremely well. I know out to 140 yards it groups within about 3-4 inches off a rest and 70 grains FFG Goex. Every gun tends to be different. My Traditions .50 Kentucky and Tennessee rifles prefer roundballs, and my Pedersoli .32 Kentucky is a roundball only gun.
Yep...I agree with your choices my friend. I'm going to try int again someday with a 1 X 66 twist gun.
I think it was pretty good Shootin Mark and a lot of fun too! You did nip some caps for ser! And you did do better with round balls compared to those conicals. Now if I had a Springfield or Enfield I’d shoot conicals because they were made for it. But I don’t have them so round ball works good on my muskets and my 50cal. Mountain rifle, Hawkin type. Kind Thanks Brother Mark, Many Blessings and Jesus Loves you too and I think may be round ball too. What do you think? DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
I LOVE the round balls , especially since I put this video together.
I LOVE the round balls , especially since I put this video together.
Patched round balls and Hornady perfect rounds are my choice. Deer pray for conicals unless it's coming out of a T/C 209/50 with 150 grains pushing it. Belted conicals out of the T/C are awesome. That said, in the flintlock or percussion I'm a round ball man.
Me too brother....much prefer the round balls!
From my limited experience, some slow twist guns will indeed shoot a conical decently. Not all, and not tack drivers, but easily minute of deer at modest distance. Also found conical and mines shoot best with heavier powder charges.
Someday...I'll try this again with a slow twist barreled gun with heavier loads. Thanks for watching.
Just a thought and question... have you ever used split shot to shoot with?? I know it's for fishing but it seems like it would be effective.
I've melted plenty of split shot to use. Split shot would be more effective in a smoothbore than this rifled gun. Thanks for watching my friend...
With a shorter barrel and a higher twist rate my little flintlock shoots 'em pretty darned good. Then again, I do lube mine with pure lard. You had 280 grains in the short ones and 340 grains in the longer ones. Sometimes, not often but sometimes the 340's will tumble. I had to reconfigure my entire load set when I swapped from PRB to the REAL projectile. I had to use just a bit more powder to get the heavier projectile where I wanted it.
I'm not interested in trying to figure those rascals out. I'll stick with what works for me - round balls! Thanks for the conicals my friend. That was a very enlightening experiment.
I'm not interested in trying to figure those rascals out. I'll stick with what works for me - round balls! Thanks for the conicals my friend. That was a very enlightening experiment.
Hi Mark! Modern Conicals are designed for 1:48 or higher twist rates. There is one, however, that might work. The old Minnie ball fired out of the Springfield in 1861 was spinning at rates VERY similar to your flintlock ( 1:60 ?). I don't think you can find one in 50 caliber, but if you could, you might have better luck. Round balls would probably still be more accurate, anyway.
I'm sticking with round balls! Easier to pour, load & shoot. Thanks for watching.
Just burning black powder makes you a winner
Couldn't agree more....!!!
Thanks Mark
Thank you for watching.....
Ye old black powder shop in Auburn Michigan told me you can patch the conicals. He was right. It tightened up the groups a lot.
I'm hearing all kinds of conflicting ways to load conicals on this video. Fortunately...they aren't for me anyway. I'm just an ol' round ball shooter.
I'm hearing all kinds of conflicting ways to load conicals on this video. Fortunately...they aren't for me anyway. I'm just an ol' round ball shooter.
Is there a video from your Georgia trip? Im about an hour from Augusta.
Yes, It was posted a few weeks ago. If I'd known...you would have been invited too. Here is that wacky redneck video: ua-cam.com/video/Q7HchXOuBpY/v-deo.html
you should still use an over powder wad & grease the grooves for accuracy.
If I try this again someday, I'll use the grease, Thanks for watching.
The conical look like Lee R E A L. I have a mold for them. From my experience they work best in the inline muzzleloader best.
Probably so...I had the chance to shoot a new CVA at Friendship last summer using conicals. It was a cool rifle to try out!
A sphere will stabilise itself. It be physics.
Yep.....Thanks for watching.
those conicals need a fast twist barrel they if theyre going to be used in slow twist barrel they need a big load from what im told also those flat base bullets (heelbase maybe ?) need a hollowed out base so that the pressure can expand the base to better grip the rifling the conicals are generally lighter than the round balls so they need a faster twist barrel to get the projectile spinning faster because the lighter the bullet the faster its spin decelerates and begin to tumble at the ranges you were shooting though deceleration and tumble shouldnt have been an issue
probably needed more conicals to get the rifle sighted in then i suspect your accuracy would have been as good or above normal as compared to round ball
If I had a few more, I'd definitely put them to the test! LOL. Thanks for watching.
I use a felt wad between powder and conical. I have great accuracy doing that in my Thompsen Hawken. If I don't put a wad behind the conical, my accuracy goes to crap.
I'm reading all kinds of conflicting ways to load conicals on this video. Fortunately...they aren't for me anyway. I'm just an ol' round ball shooter.
I'm reading all kinds of conflicting ways to load conicals on this video. Fortunately...they aren't for me anyway. I'm just an ol' round ball shooter.
"REAL" lyman bullets, the top band was supposed to be oversize to engage rifling, the lower for grease . When shot the bullet would "obturate" to fill rifling. For the rifles with shallow grooves and 1/48 twist mostly.
Thanks for watching. This set up was enlightening for sure.
Also, bullets generally shoot better with the tightest part of the barrel at the muzzle,, my bet is the "coning" of the muzzle would ruin accuracy with "conicals".. i'm quite sure the later t/c barrels that had that type relief built into muzzle were known for poor shooting.
You are probably right my friend....
You are probably right my friend....
Try hornady 50cal ballets in 1:66 twist barrel. They work good in my austin halleck 50 cal mountain rifle.
I have a 1` X 66 twist barreled rifle. If I can find some conicals, I may try this again. Thanks for watching.
Patch the conical and they shoot well. Put two patches on if it is too big.
I'm hearing all kinds of conflicting ways to load conicals on this video. Fortunately...they aren't for me anyway. I'm just an ol' round ball shooter.
I'm hearing all kinds of conflicting ways to load conicals on this video. Fortunately...they aren't for me anyway. I'm just an ol' round ball shooter.
A few issues. Those are REAL bullets and serve a specific purpose as to how they should be loaded. Rifling is cut into them on a load. Also lube them. Instant accuracy.
Yes...I had a few issues with them. Although I didn't lube them, ( didn't know any better ) I'll stick with shooting round balls. Easier to load & more accurate at short distances for me. Thanks for watching.
Yes...I had a few issues with them. Although I didn't lube them, ( didn't know any better ) I'll stick with shooting round balls. Easier to load & more accurate at short distances for me. Thanks for watching.
That would depend on the rate of twist in the barrel.
Yep...that's what everyone has been telling me. Thanks for watching.
Well it really depends on your rifling doesn't it?
I'm beginning to believe that my friend.
That conical is a Lee REAL. The REAL stands for rifleing engraved at loading.
I didn't know that till I posted this video, thanks.
I've got a Lee bullet mold, the shoot terrible in all my muzzleloaders
I use the Lee's round ball moulds & have really good success with them. Thanks for watching.
Hornady PA Conicals are AWESOME in 1:48 and slower twists. They are like a little Minie Ball with their hollow base. Easy loading as well.
They were easy to load, however, I can't hit anything using them. I'll stick with shooting round balls, thanks for watching.
@@blackpowdermaniacshooter I'll send you some PA Conicals. You HAVE to have a video with them too. HEHE
Did you forget a patch on your first conical loading? Don't you need patches for conicals?
I've been reading all the comments here and on FB regarding this video. About 90% of the shooters says I didn't need a patch. The rest says I need one for better accuracy. Since I'm mainly a round ball shooter, I really don't have an answer.
@@blackpowdermaniacshooter OK. In my state the flintlock season requires a ball only during that season.
@@beebob1279 I have no problem with that! I much prefer the ol' round ball myself!
The Lee bullets you can put Lube them you can use a patch, you can turn them upside down can you take a hammer flattened out a little bit make a little wider I've tried it all they do not shoot out stop my mother's loaders I've got five and those five muzzleloaders will shoot everything else good round balls Sabbath hey they all love the 420 grain no excuse bullet they shoot excellent
Yep....I'm amazed. I assumed the conical would be more accurate. I s you can see..I can't hit anything with conicals. I'll stick with round balls.
Yep....I'm amazed. I assumed the conical would be more accurate. I s you can see..I can't hit anything with conicals. I'll stick with round balls.
So, for starters, you should be shooting at paper to see how the conicals shoot since its the equivalent of not testing your load then blaming the rifle when you miss. Secondly those conical bullets are designed to be lubricated, Hence the lube grooves present on the sides. Third, shooter uses two different length which are going to hit different from the other conical and the patched round ball
In short, no conclusions should be made from this "test"
I agree..you forgot to add the shooter is lousy shot too!! LOL Those conicals aren't for me. Thanks for watching.
Sorry meant Mark!
Thanks for watching. Have a blessed day.
Those are real bullets. I have molds for fifty and fifty four caliber real bullets. Neither work well. Went b to round ball
I agree..I prefer the round balls too!
If you wanna try this again with different bullets let me know. I'll make you up some lubed rounds
Wow...thanks for the offer. I may take you up on that & try them in a GPR 1 X 66 twist barrel.
Conicals require a fast twist. I bet your plains rifle will shoot them just fine. But, I'm sure you already knew that. Fun video, Mark.
Someday...I'll try them with the GPR. I didn't even think of trying that one at the time!
Mark, I think your accuracy got worse simply because you needed to just wipe the barrel out with a damp patch once or twice.
Probably true. I seldom wipe the barrels when shooting.
Probably true. I seldom wipe the barrels when shooting.
@@blackpowdermaniacshooter , I seldom wipe also. But I do have a couple guns that seem to need it after a while. They are small caliber and/or flint locks.
@@galatians328 I usually swab/wipe when it gets too tough to load.......probably after 50-55 shots.