Dealing with Deadouts (Part 2)
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- Опубліковано 5 бер 2019
- Paul Kelly, Research and Apiary Manager, shows methods of inspecting and reusing equipment from dead hives. Part 2 of 2. Part 1 can be found here: • Dealing with Deadouts ... .
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Please don’t let it be so long between uploads you guys are up there with the best bee vloggers
we'll have another 19 posted in the next few weeks and hope to do some more this summer
Hi I am so very glad u are back I have missed u
Happy to see you post videos again! I always get good ideas and love beekeeping! Thank you.
Thanks Charles! nice to hear you find our videos helpful.
Glad to see new video's from you! Thanks!!
You are most welcome.Thanks for hanging in there Shreve.
Love your videos. Keep up the good work.
Thanks Steven . Much appreciated!
I really enjoy your videos
Thanks Dhynasah! Pleas share them where you can.
Great information
Do you not have to torch the bottom board that had all the module on it before using it again? It would be great to see the same readout inspection for different issues (varroa, starving, afb etc.)!, thanks so much your videos are my favorite!!
I just wish that wax gumming up my boots was a problem I could say I had. Like a badge of honor.
Excellent
Thanks Stealth Mtn
Contant to see you again with new video
I hope you have something new in mind because you have a lot to bring even if in France we work a little differently
Hi Didier
Thanks for your kind remarks. We do things differently here for sure than in Europe. Especially how we handle older comb. Keep doing things the way that makes sense for you in your region.
Great video. So important to inspect your comb on a regular basis! AFB is brutal. Just like everyone else varroa is also a huge issue. My colonies have crashed two years in a row with no survivors in spring. Frustrating to say the least. I spoke with a friend who has great knowledge in bee diseases in comb. If people are having the same issue I am they may have a build up of varroa viruses in the comb. They can have low mite counts, but over time the virus load grows. It's been found (according to my beekeeping friend) that viruses related to varroa can survive in comb up to fifteen years. So, if you use virus infected comb and keep the mites under control you can still have hives crash in the fall anyway. The ways to treat for this issue is to burn or throw out the comb and frames, or irradiate the comb. That's it. Since my comb was getting old anyway I chose to throw it out. I'm starting fresh with all new frames that I had in stock and new foundation. I'm using wax this year instead of the plastic. I want to burn the stuff when it gets old and not throw it in a dump somewhere. Take a look at your dead outs. You may see a lot of comb with dead bees and holes in the top. But if you open the cell the entire bee is inside. This is likely Parasitic Mite Syndrome and not AFB. AFB will be gooey and stringy inside.
Hope this helps someone out there with the issue I've been dealing with for two years now.
You have some interesting comments. First, I would like to ask where did your "friend" get this information about DWV staying in the comb for 15 years? I would like to see that study. In which case I would think we should use new frame every year. I think it is supposition. Secondly you are right about AFB being gooey and stringy inside, however you have to look at that sooner than the following spring because that will dry out. You should have noticed these issues long before a dead out occurs. Look for evidence of sunken or discolored cells on capped pupa. Additionally, another telltale sign would be an unusually sour odor emanating from the hive. Often a spotty brood pattern and certainly the lava won't be white but rather a dark brown color.
@@rmore935 I don't remember. It's been so long since I learned that. Ands of course today that could be disproven.
Love your videos and thank you for posting again!
Question1: I had a couple hives that had a lot of moisture and low bee numbers that have mold on the comb in some sections. Can this wax be melted down or should it be destroyed?
Question 2: Should pollen in the comb of dead hives be thrown away as well or can it be reused in an existing hive?
This video is SO timely for me so Thank you!!
Thanks Hogavich
You can certainly melt the wax down. We don't usually melt old comb as pupal casings soak up a lot of the wax. Its a lot of messy work and you get very little wax if the comb is older and if you don't have a steam press. If its fairly white wax you get more.
Hi sir, you have a video tips about some prevent insect invade your bee colony? Like wasp and ant?
Rather than burn the old and/or diseased comb, just melt it as you would and then pour the ‘mush’ into old paper mash egg cartons and then use them as fire starters! I tell you it works like a charm!
Are there plans available for building a scraping box?
What to do with frames that have a lot of food (honey or syrup)? Can these be used in new colonies?
my hive didn't make it through the winter its full of honey . To much moisture I should I clean it out anything special I should do ?
As ever, great stuff. What will you do with the propolis?
Thanks! We wash it with cold water, dry it, freeze it and grind it up frozen in a coffee grinder. We then sell it as a powder. Propolis with a bit of wax mixed in we dissolve in 95% alcohol and sell it as a tincture. Maybe that would be a good video topic.
@@UoGHoneyBeeResearchCentre Absolutely. Fun topic. I've read a book on propolis and want to see it actually done. Thanks
what did you do with that chunk of propolis...
Hi Paul, at 3:02 you show a drone comb that is partially drawn. When you put that back in the hive, will the bees draw out the entire frame? Also that one looks like it was scraped and reinserted...will they build comb over those scraped surfaces, which are rough with old pupal casings? Many thanks!
Hi WW
We don't often see the green drone combs fully drawn. I don't use them much except for experimental purposes. Usually comb on scraped down plastic frames gets drawn out reasonably well. It's not as perfect as from scratch. Cheers!
What antibiotics do you use
What do you do with the bees that had burrowed into the cells and died? Can't brush those off. Are frames like those discarded as well?
Hi Dave
We let the next colony the frame is placed in clean out those bees. I don't put more than a couple frames like that in a colony at once.
How do you store your brood combs to keep the wax moth an hive beetle out of them while you are not using them??. Thanks
Cool temps for comb storage, all brood comb on hives during the warm months, freezing conditions for winter storage.
That comb being thrown away works excellent in swarm traps. With comb like that you don't even need swarm lure.
Good tip. It would have a lot of good bee smell. Here it would be destroyed by wax moths in the warmer months so you'd have to freeze it or something after the swarm season.
Here in southern Alberta wax moths are not a problem. I leave my unused comb in a unheated shed and winter kills them. I've got some drawn comb sitting in my shed that is 5 years old and no wax moth damage.@@UoGHoneyBeeResearchCentre
I remember how nice it was in Alberta to not have wax moth! My first year beekeeping was in the Peace River region.
Hi, can you reuse old frame with capped dead brood? Giving it to another colony later. Or what to do with it. Thank you.
Check for AFB first but it's ok to use if you see its clean. Check online to see AFB symptoms and what to look for.
How do you handle frames that show AFB scale? Throw out that individual frame or all ten from that box? Scorch the box, lids etc?
Also - are you concerned about spore transfer from handling that frame?
Thanks!
Hi Robert
To be honest I've never found AFB scale in inspecting comb from dead colonies - but I still do it. We use antibiotics spring and fall following our local regulations to prevent our colonies from getting AFB. Hence no spores in our hives.
I have found AFB scale working in other beekeepers hives. When this happens you need to follow the protocol required where you live. Here it's report, kill, and burn. Please have a look at the regulations for your area as this is a really important. Thanks for your excellent question.
We are planning to do an AFB video next summer.
@@UoGHoneyBeeResearchCentre Thanks. I'm familiar with handling AFB, curious about how others handle it. Certainly easier to deal with when you see it in the field, as you can easily keep track of which lid, bottom etc was associated with the hive.
But harder when you toss ten lids, bottoms and a hundred frames on a cart and scrap two days later.
Hi Robert
Yes you are right, it is better to deal with in the field. What really worries me is AFB in honey supers because then it can really get spread around. We ran a ten year 40 colony organic (no antibiotic) trial in some hives managed jointly with another group. Everything started on organic foundation and brand new equipment. Scorched hive tools before every inspection. I found AFB three times over this period. All when supers were on. We reported the find to our government inspectors, killed the hives, dug a burn pit, burned all the frames and bottom board, scorched the boxes and inner cover, then buried the ashes, scorched the hive tools and washed our hands. I don't use gloves but if I did they would have been burned too. That's our protocol here in Ontario. I made the point about looking into local regs as it is very different from place to place.
hold up hold up, theirs a post on this channel? I must be dreaming
It has been awhile..... glad you are still there Fad :)
My mellifera colonies are being robbed heavily by feral A. cerana foragers. What to do apart from restricting the entrance?
Hi Pradeep
Look online for something called a 'robbing screen'. I haven't used one but apparently they work well.
Do you re-use plastic foundation frames that have been ravaged by wax moths?
Yes, If it gets out of hand, they do a really good job of cleaning the wax off!
@@UoGHoneyBeeResearchCentre so does a waterblaster or better yet a steam cleaner.
Hi. What do you do with the combs that contain dead bees and has blue mold.. thank you. Jerry Milwaukee WI. USA
Brush off what you can and leave the rest for bees to clean out. If you don't give them too much at once they don't mind.
Can you do any non chemical treatment for AFB like freezing the frames?
for most cases of AFB, ive heard its better to just burn the entire colony, since it is very difficult to get cure. the only real way to get rid of it from frames/boxes is radiation, which for just about all beekeepers isn't a realistic way of dealing with it.
Hi Idaho and Dan. Dan has the answer right. AFB spores are very tough and can survive for over 100 years. Fire is the only way to destroy them.
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Can you reuse tray from a deadhive that had a mouse nest over winter?
Yes. Just use the frames that are still in good condition.
(1) Link (source, reference) for American Foul Brood would have helped.
(2) What is old propolis used for? Plugging? Giving back to bees? Medication?
We use the propolis to make up a tincture to sell.
www.google.com/search?q=American+Foul+Brood&rlz=1C1GCEB_enCA923CA923&oq=American+Foul+Brood&aqs=chrome..69i57.14692j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
@@UoGHoneyBeeResearchCentre thanks. Can "Google" but thought you had a video on AFB. I like your stuff.
ua-cam.com/video/v2Aa56jut7Y/v-deo.html
What do you do with the propolis you saved?
We freeze it then grind it up with a coffee grinder and sell it as powder. Alternatively we dissolve it in 95% food grade alcohol and sell it as a tincture.
Hi you say you are still using antbotices , just woundering how you can justfy this does it not get in your honey crop?
We use oxytetralcyclene. It breaks down very quickly and our studies have shown that it can't be detected one week after application. We apply it according to Ontario regulations so it's used spring and fall before and after the honey flow. Please keep to your local recommendations for disease and pest control.
@@UoGHoneyBeeResearchCentre Thanks hear in the UK such things are a no no but always enjoy and always learn something from them so please keep putting them up.
Hi Den
Yes we live in two different bee worlds. That means more opportunity to learn from each other! Thanks.
If it died via wax moth you will find eggs in every nook and cranny. I don't know how long the eggs are viable so I freeze and reuse, or burn the equipment just in case.
Hives don't die from wax moth. It is always a secondary problem. Good thoughts about freezing etc. No need to burn equipment unless the moths have destroyed it.
All those old combs black may contain accumulated years of toxins found in the bees foraging activities...... Which can contribute to difficulty of bees surviving in such a residence.
Agreed but more often than not colonies die from parasite loads or inadequate management.
What do you use the propolis for.
We make a tincture with 95% food grade alcohol. It's antiviral , antifungal and antibacterial. Amazing stuff for human medicine. Covid-19? maybe
Can you reuse frames filled with honey in them? Can I give the frames filled with honey to a new colony?
Only if you are very sure there is no American Foul Brood in the colony that died. Please look up the symptoms.
I don’t think that was the cause of death. But if I’m not sure, can I extract the honey from frames and give the empty frames with comb to new bees?
What's the trick to cleaning out frames from a hive that has starved out and all the bees have their heads in the cells?
Scott Guthrie love to know also
@@decaturridgebees8761 I can't find anything on UA-cam I just bang the frames until they fall out then pick the rest out with my fingers but there must be a better way.
I was told to let bees clean them
Knock out the loose ones and reuse. The bee will do the rest. Just remember you put them in there or you will think something is wrong as all the dead are brought out.
I just use my shop vac. It gets most of them.
where is part 1?
Part 1 came up on my subscription and part 2 came up as watch next are you subbed?
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Using antibiotics, not cool.
AFB even less cool. We use antibiotics only for a very short period in spring and again in fall when robbing behaviour can spread AFB. If we find AFB we burn the hive. We don't treat disease, we prevent it. Very different philosophies on this topic in different countries.
what a waste of wax...
Hi Václav
It does seem so but without a steam generator and a wax press rendering wax from old dark combs is a very messy job for very little wax. We do collect beeswax in many other ways. This is one example of how beekeeping is so different from one country to the next. Most of our beekeepers here do it the same as I do. When I visited Denmark the beekeepers just delivered their frames to the wax guy. He had all the specialized equipment. Wish we had a wax guy here.
Here in Czech republic we also don't have "the wax guy". Most of small beekeepers like me use simple sun melter. I know it is not very productive melting those dark frames, but in sun melter it at least cost you nothing for energy. Also in my country there is a lot of new beekeepers in last 5-10 years (thanks to EU's support etc.), so there in not enought bee wax on the market, prices are increasing, bee stores often sells wax even in poor quality to satisfie demand. You can argue that old frames might contain some diseases but in system we have here you don't have to worry about it. System here works that we bring our melted wax to local beestore and there they simply weight it and for small fee (2 USD/kg, depends on how clears wax is) you get foundation. Those stores collect wax and send it to company which produce foundation. Those companies are few in country and they have very good equipment, they heat up wax on very high temperature to kill potential diseases and usually add some chemical to reduce residues from bee treatments ( I think they use some acid to reduce residues of amitraz which is still used here, but I am not sure how effective it is). Good thing on it is that even beekeeper with 2-4 colonies can exchange his wax for fondation for very little money. Down side is that if fondation companies melt wax from 10-100 beekeeprs together, there might be one sample with extremply high residues etc. which then reduce quality of final fondation. There was big debate about wax quality, because some beekeepers to get more fondations added paraffins to their melted wax and fondations from this wax got on the market. (Sorry for my English, it is not my first language)
Hi Václav
Please don't apologize for your English. It is excellent and I'm sure you have worked hard to make it so. Thanks for explaining your situation . Sometimes I think we learn more from beekeepers in different countries because we have learned very different techniques. Your system of exchanging wax for foundation used to be common here. We could even get foundation made up from our own wax which I really liked. Now most people here use plastic foundation. I like wax foundation for shallow honey frames but for deep brood chambers the wiring makes it too slow with the kind of frames we use. I like to ski in the winter more than building frames! All the best Václav from Czech republic.
I do intend to get another solar melter. The old one I had was too small and didn't work well. Pretty cool to use solar power for rendering wax!