Zastava M84: The World's Best LMG?

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  • Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
  • Why does James love the Zastava M84 LMG? Dive deep into the heart of Serbia's legendary Zastava factory with‪@JamesReeves‬. In this exclusive feature, join us for a historical journey and behind-the-scenes access where we uncover the secrets of the M84's design, inspired by the iconic Soviet PKM but perfected by Serbian ingenuity. Watch firsthand accounts from the factory floor to the range, including expert insights from Serbia's top gun influencer and war veterans who've wielded this "Heavy Metal Horcrux" in battle. Discover why the M84 is more than just a machine - it's a piece of history, a cultural icon that is somehow related to the famed Serbian singer Ceca (we'll explain), and a testament to the enduring spirit of Eastern European engineering. Don't miss out as we test this marvel of military technology, revealing why it's not just a tool, but a masterpiece of craftsmanship. Join us on TFBTV for an unforgettable exploration of power, precision, and Serbian pride.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 789

  • @DumDum_channel
    @DumDum_channel 5 місяців тому +466

    Thanks James!! Awesome video! I enjoyed your company! See you soon!

    • @spoonerman
      @spoonerman 5 місяців тому +10

      I thought I recognised you early in the video when they didn't say your channel name. I like your videos on serbian weapons :)

    • @TC-bq3ve
      @TC-bq3ve 5 місяців тому +3

      It looks like both of you should also thank this guy Ranco for making it possible.

    • @metaloxide
      @metaloxide 5 місяців тому +16

      I can't speak or understand Serbian but I love DumDum

    • @damjanpopadic4717
      @damjanpopadic4717 5 місяців тому +6

      Што ниси мало пљувао сад Заставу? Свима ваља, јер НАМЕРНО има најбољи однос ЦЕНА-КВАЛИТЕТ, само Дарку не ваља ...

    • @Truth-Istina
      @Truth-Istina 5 місяців тому

      Better that you don't understand, everything you need to see in the video... His story is pretty boring​@@metaloxide

  • @darthmartinez
    @darthmartinez 5 місяців тому +337

    The only reason 7.62x54 Rimmed still exists today is probably because of how awesome the PKM is. That rimmed cartridge is never going away.

    • @Verdha603
      @Verdha603 5 місяців тому +52

      Reason two is that the Dragunov is a DMR that just refuses to die, even if it’s gotten long in the tooth by today’s standards.

    • @454FatJack
      @454FatJack 5 місяців тому +16

      1891 Imperial Empire😂

    • @quan3142
      @quan3142 5 місяців тому +25

      rimmed for the extractors pleasure

    • @scottrobinson3281
      @scottrobinson3281 5 місяців тому +17

      If it works perfectly, why change it?

    • @jmarvosa6x3
      @jmarvosa6x3 5 місяців тому +1

      Rah Rah!

  • @Markuzpro
    @Markuzpro 5 місяців тому +121

    "My Adidas Tracksuit added +10 to Serbian fire arm proficiency " Soo true brother 😂😂

    • @breckfreeride
      @breckfreeride 4 місяці тому

      But can you squat!

    • @andrejm77
      @andrejm77 4 місяці тому +3

      ​@breckfreeride
      Nope, thats not a thing here in Serbia.. its exclusive to our northern and eastern Slavic brothers 😂

    • @breckfreeride
      @breckfreeride 4 місяці тому +1

      @@andrejm77 great clarification!

    • @interpoor1436
      @interpoor1436 4 місяці тому

      To je Yugoslvija kupila od SSSR-a i doradila postavili regulator brzine paljbe na početku gasne komore se nalazi 1, 2, 3

  • @762x69
    @762x69 5 місяців тому +373

    Seriously, does life get any better than having access to fun stuff like this??

    • @davewebster5120
      @davewebster5120 5 місяців тому +4

      I remember when I was a kid. The only place I could find footage of full auto firing was the early H&K site. Now we have years worth of top notch gun love thanks to youtube. The future is kind of a shitty place but it's got its perks.

    • @G.W-01
      @G.W-01 5 місяців тому +7

      Most of us should have access to this.

    • @sternonisoil
      @sternonisoil 5 місяців тому +2

      Yeah, but it's just as rare to find those situations

    • @snakemarcopercocet4413
      @snakemarcopercocet4413 5 місяців тому +4

      I live in Washington I don’t have access to any of this stuff 😂 I can can’t have more than 10 rounds in my Glock 48

    • @BoneistJ
      @BoneistJ 5 місяців тому +2

      Getting to own it.

  • @TheKlamminator
    @TheKlamminator 5 місяців тому +346

    All my homies love zastava

    • @dalibormiletic75miletic65
      @dalibormiletic75miletic65 5 місяців тому +46

      Pozdrav iz srbije .radim u fabrici gde se proizvodi m84

    • @sheepherder911
      @sheepherder911 5 місяців тому +18

      ​@dalibormiletic75miletic65 that's cool. You're living the Serbian Dream!

    • @dalibormiletic75miletic65
      @dalibormiletic75miletic65 5 місяців тому +12

      @@sheepherder911 da zivim u srbiji ...i radim u fabrici oruzija ...

    • @StefanBlagojevic
      @StefanBlagojevic 5 місяців тому

      @@dalibormiletic75miletic65 Само љуби те брат, пиши име државе/народа великим словом леба ти. Свако добро!

    • @gunztommiegunz
      @gunztommiegunz 5 місяців тому +7

      @@dalibormiletic75miletic65shit yes! I love my zastava M70!!! AKs are awesome I can understand why the M84 is so loved

  • @thatonescrambler
    @thatonescrambler 5 місяців тому +71

    Im a simple man, when i see zastava, i immediately love it

  • @EricDaMAJ
    @EricDaMAJ 5 місяців тому +413

    The last time I was this early machine guns were water cooled.

    • @LFDNC
      @LFDNC 5 місяців тому +10

      The last time I was this early, *I* was water cooled. Now I need some time in the AC.

    • @bintjbeil7892
      @bintjbeil7892 5 місяців тому +12

      What's good my Vickers

    • @destroyerarmor2846
      @destroyerarmor2846 5 місяців тому +5

      I remember having a horse towed chariot Gatling gun

    • @LFDNC
      @LFDNC 5 місяців тому +3

      @@destroyerarmor2846 did it fire crossbow bolts though? My grandfather had to tow his chariot and Gatling gun himself! Uphill! Both ways!

    • @muddyhotdog4103
      @muddyhotdog4103 5 місяців тому +2

      Good one

  • @UNPROFOR1994
    @UNPROFOR1994 5 місяців тому +166

    As an UNPROFOR veteran I have had significant experience with most of the Zastava products during the late 1900s. When "Ceca" started singing, we hit the ground! 😂

    • @detrihitj1464
      @detrihitj1464 5 місяців тому +22

      When Ceca sing's everyone is quiet...

    • @peka003
      @peka003 4 місяці тому +8

      glad you are still around bro

    • @994981423416
      @994981423416 4 місяці тому

      You surely know that during the Bosnian war, the Muslims called the M84 "the sower of death" or just "the sower". That nickname says it all about this MG.

  • @milangorenjak
    @milangorenjak 5 місяців тому +213

    Ima "šala" u vojsci Srbije, da vojnik koji je obučavan za upotrebu PM (puško mitraljez - machine gun) M-84, kad ga posle pitaju šta je bio, radio u vojsci, da kaže "širio Ceci noge"! 😁😉 Šala se odnosi na pomoćne nogare radi stabilizacije i samog nadimka PM/MG!
    There is a "joke" in the Serbian army, that a soldier who was trained to use the PM (puško mitraljez/machine gun) M-84, when someone asked him later what he was, worked in the army, to say "spread Ceca's legs"! 😁😉 The joke refers to the auxiliary legs for stabilization and the nickname PM/MG itself!

    • @detrihitj1464
      @detrihitj1464 5 місяців тому +7

      Kad ceca peca svi zacute...to si zaboravio

    • @jovovukovic520
      @jovovukovic520 5 місяців тому +7

      Gluposti,u vojsci se Ceca nikada nije zvao niti su ga vojnici zvali. Taj naziv je dobio u Bosni tokom rata. Ni si ti vojske gledao a ni taj koji ti pričao...

    • @milangorenjak
      @milangorenjak 4 місяці тому

      @@jovovukovic520
      Nažalost, u svetu je, a posebno u Srbiji, erupcija pametnjakovića poput tebe! Evo, prosvetli nas, dodirni nas presveti čoveče!

    • @Rale117
      @Rale117 4 місяці тому +4

      ​@@jovovukovic520Цеца је био надимак. Немаш ти појма шта причаш.

    • @jovovukovic520
      @jovovukovic520 4 місяці тому +3

      @@Rale117 u vojsci SRJ i SRB nije a na ratistu u bosni jeste bio nadimak.

  • @ianray8823
    @ianray8823 5 місяців тому +111

    That disclaimer was very professional and well written because I feel like we want it to say "DON'T BE SCARED BY A GOOD TIME YA BISH WE'RE NOT EVEN SHOOTING LIVING THINGS C'MON NOW"

    • @tfbtv
      @tfbtv  5 місяців тому +29

      Full auto fire is now against Google terms for ad revenue from videos.

    • @mbelow
      @mbelow 5 місяців тому

      ​@@tfbtv UA-cam has gone to shit.

    • @gunztommiegunz
      @gunztommiegunz 5 місяців тому +2

      @@tfbtvunbelievable UA-cam sure does blow at advocating for freedom in fact there’s nothing illegal about automatic firearms other than unconstitutional law

    • @milankavric6782
      @milankavric6782 5 місяців тому +1

      Ovo treba

  • @MrBlonde47
    @MrBlonde47 5 місяців тому +84

    James, Yugoslavia was never apart of the 1955 Warsaw Pact as they fell out of Soviet favor in 1948. The reason they had a license to copy the PKM is because the license belonged to Izhmash. The Soviets had no say in who had copies of their weapons.

    • @РоманЗайцев-ю9т
      @РоманЗайцев-ю9т 5 місяців тому +13

      Every factory in Soviet Union was owned by government, and managed by different ministry. Izhmash was managed by ministry of defence. Any license agreement was approved not only ministry of defence but also commi party leaders.

    • @MrBlonde47
      @MrBlonde47 5 місяців тому +19

      @@РоманЗайцев-ю9т doesn’t change the fact that the license wasn’t given for Warsaw Pact reasons, but rather strictly monetary as the USSR and Yugoslavia didn’t have a relationship during that time.

    • @ZavodnikSFRJ
      @ZavodnikSFRJ 5 місяців тому +4

      Yugoslavia did get back to being good with Soviets again, and as you can hear in the video guy said they bought the PKT license from Soviets.

    • @manchagojohnsonmanchago6367
      @manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 5 місяців тому +18

      ​@@ZavodnikSFRJthey were never very good with the soviets.. They were always on a middle line.. They filled the gape between nato and the us on one side and the full blown commie states on the other.. India, iraq, lybia, indonesia ect these countries were part of nonalignment pact headed by yugoslavia, because of this yugoslavia delt with both the us and the ussr

    • @cinoeye
      @cinoeye 5 місяців тому +12

      Yugoslavia got licenses from both east and west. Not just weapons but system such as helicopters from France, Radars from US, UK, Sweden…

  • @KristianHerdi
    @KristianHerdi 5 місяців тому +43

    Nobody sings like "Ceca" does!
    Ceca ended the love affair between Serbians and the MG42 (or the Yugo version of it the M53 - Šarac) and the 8 mm Mauser!

  • @950rpm
    @950rpm 5 місяців тому +66

    alright, so now we need a t shirt with a still image of reeves in the track suit, cigarette, sunglasses, m84 from the hip, and "belt fetish" please for the love of god make it happen

    • @XenonLover52
      @XenonLover52 5 місяців тому +8

      With the disclaimer on the back

    • @schulzbrianr
      @schulzbrianr 5 місяців тому +5

      Belt fed-ish

    • @SirDopeBoy
      @SirDopeBoy 5 місяців тому +3

      10:57 🫶🏼 we love it

  • @oskar6661
    @oskar6661 5 місяців тому +113

    While it's easy in the U.S. to think about ultra-modern LMGs in new fancy calibers with wiz-bang optics and stuff...the reality is that for 94% of the world...a modernized PKM is absolutely the best GPMG in existence, by a long margin. Lightweight, insanely reliable, available in the two major calibers a nation is likely to have (7.62x51 NATO and 7.62x54R), a proven track record, ease of maintenance and parts/servicing, etc. It also likely costs about 10% of what an ultra-modern SIG MG would cost them, while shooting cheaper/available ammo, etc.

    • @commenter648
      @commenter648 5 місяців тому +1

      the sig has better ammunition for long range fights

    • @AlexMilenk
      @AlexMilenk 4 місяці тому +9

      @@commenter648 5-10 PKM's are still beter for long range fights than SIG.

    • @commenter648
      @commenter648 4 місяці тому +1

      @@AlexMilenk if they can't reach the distance then no

    • @andydufresne9593
      @andydufresne9593 4 місяці тому +2

      @@commenter648 1 kilometer of range is more than enough for GPMG. How often do you think an average solider will have a chance of seeing and engaging a target 1 km away?

    • @commenter648
      @commenter648 4 місяці тому +3

      ​​@@andydufresne9593 max effective range of the pkm is 800m iirc

  • @tibi1441
    @tibi1441 5 місяців тому +20

    Jebo majku crko sam lol, James rocking the adidas track suit holding the m84 was priceless! Way to go buddy!

  • @commandernikel
    @commandernikel 5 місяців тому +63

    UA-cam must be getting even stricter if TFB is now putting disclaimers in front of their videos.

    • @thekraken1173
      @thekraken1173 5 місяців тому +1

      Time to migrate to Playeur

    • @tfbtv
      @tfbtv  5 місяців тому +17

      Full auto fire goes against AdSense terms.

    • @commandernikel
      @commandernikel 5 місяців тому +1

      @tfbtv I'm surprised anything gun related is monetized right now, especially with election season coming up

    • @kylejohnson1308
      @kylejohnson1308 5 місяців тому +3

      ​@@tfbtvI had an ad about two thirds the way thru the vid. They're not paying you guys because it's not gonna have ads but in reality it does have ads.

    • @nomercyinc6783
      @nomercyinc6783 5 місяців тому

      @@tfbtv fuck anything ad related. nobody watches youtube for the ads just like people dont pay for cable to ignore commercials.

  • @MrBahjatt
    @MrBahjatt 5 місяців тому +11

    The PKM is probably the best light GPMG. The M60 is a bit big and heavy, and the FN-MAG 58 even moreso, but the PKM is an upsized AK and is more portable to carry and move around but delivering the same firepower.

  • @gagemason3865
    @gagemason3865 5 місяців тому +35

    Did ya’ll catch the “if we get many requests for semiauto version of M84 we will make them”?

    • @TheTGRproductions
      @TheTGRproductions 5 місяців тому +10

      Yes please! Shut up and take my money!

    • @connorburnes7697
      @connorburnes7697 5 місяців тому +4

      Take all my money!!!!

    • @User-1543
      @User-1543 День тому

      Semi auto machine gun? Sounds like blue balls

  • @GBGuns
    @GBGuns 5 місяців тому +16

    I could smell the show room from this video. It looks completely unchanged from my visit to them in 2015

  • @bastingskydiver1350
    @bastingskydiver1350 5 місяців тому +134

    As a serbian living in america im happy to see you experience the glory of Ceca

    • @101mb6
      @101mb6 5 місяців тому

      ​@@cptmario ???

    • @vladimirtrifunovic9367
      @vladimirtrifunovic9367 5 місяців тому +8

      Nick name for 84...

    • @ChatNick
      @ChatNick 4 місяці тому

      I'm proud, to.. but only on Zastava products not on name of mobsters singin' whore

  • @NoLimitsCommemorativ
    @NoLimitsCommemorativ 5 місяців тому +50

    😂 I purchased the exact same black Adidas tracksuit from Kohls 2 weeks ago only to wear while shooting my AK. I showed up at a friends house for the UFC fight and he goes, "Goddamn, you look so Serbian right now."
    That means it's working!

    • @stefanvuckovic7412
      @stefanvuckovic7412 5 місяців тому +11

      Tuck the jacket in the pants it will boost your confidence and you gain +10 stability

    • @KristianHerdi
      @KristianHerdi 5 місяців тому +7

      If you are going for the original Serbian look from the 90s the only brand that's accepted is the Nike

    • @NoLimitsCommemorativ
      @NoLimitsCommemorativ 5 місяців тому

      @KristianHerdi Looks like I'm going shopping again, I guess.

    • @ReidGrozny
      @ReidGrozny 5 місяців тому +1

      He is correct. Nike, jeans and some gold "kajla" was our criminal wear style. Adidas was in Soviet block. ​@@NoLimitsCommemorativ

    • @valiantone395
      @valiantone395 5 місяців тому +1

      Niko Belic ///

  • @zeljkodejanovic8786
    @zeljkodejanovic8786 5 місяців тому +16

    I am a Serb and a veteran of the last war in Croatia and Bosnia, and I agree about the quality and reliability of the M84 "Ceca". But now it's a bit out of date, because more mobile weapons are being sought today, and if I were a technologist at Zastava Arms, I would reduce the dimensions of the weapon and make a similar machine gun, but in 7.62x39 caliber, because more ammunition could be carried and a soldier could carry it of smaller growth.

    • @grimmig13
      @grimmig13 4 місяці тому

      That would be called an RPD. But you had RPKs already (M72), were those not good enough?

    • @zeljkodejanovic8786
      @zeljkodejanovic8786 4 місяці тому +4

      @@grimmig13 I never liked the M72, it was just a lengthened AK with a longer and thicker barrel. PKM (M84 ceca) has rapid fire. I would go there to shorten the barrel and make something like the FN MINIMI, but an even shorter barrel by about 80-100mm

    • @konstantin231
      @konstantin231 4 місяці тому +1

      @@zeljkodejanovic8786 this man gets it. One thing tho, barrel length in MG's isnt just about accuracy or transportation/handling, you need all that metal to absorb heat. Bigger/thicker barrel the better with these mg's. However, a 556 ultra compact polymer MG would absolutely be amazing. Take some ques from AA's chassis system and build an mg around that.

    • @zeljkodejanovic8786
      @zeljkodejanovic8786 4 місяці тому

      @@konstantin231 The 5.56 does not have the stopping power of the 7.62

  • @MenAreSpeaking
    @MenAreSpeaking 5 місяців тому +84

    I hope your ESL guests realize how much we appreciate their speaking English. He's easier to understand than my tenants in Baltimore!

    • @Token_Black_Guy
      @Token_Black_Guy 5 місяців тому +24

      I'm guessing your tenants are basketball americans?

    • @nickkennedy9034
      @nickkennedy9034 5 місяців тому +2

      learn AAVE then, it's an internationally recognized dialect of English

    • @ehfoiwehfowjedioheoih4829
      @ehfoiwehfowjedioheoih4829 4 місяці тому +2

      ⁠@@nickkennedy9034Baltimore black English isn’t AAVE
      It’s it’s own thing

    • @nickkennedy9034
      @nickkennedy9034 4 місяці тому

      @@ehfoiwehfowjedioheoih4829 could you cite your sources with that claim

  • @desertdwellintom
    @desertdwellintom 5 місяців тому +115

    So...is that disclaimer now a YT requirement?

    • @DinoNucci
      @DinoNucci 5 місяців тому +28

      Ur m o m comes with a longer disclaimer

    • @tfbtv
      @tfbtv  5 місяців тому +87

      Full auto fire is now against Google‘s terms for including ads on videos.

    • @KevinG9012
      @KevinG9012 5 місяців тому +6

      @@tfbtvplease tell me this is a joke?

    • @jasonsell8523
      @jasonsell8523 5 місяців тому +6

      @@tfbtv I got an ad on this video. Maybe cuz it's just released, but if that's the case then the kiddie warning won't save you anyways. Might as well not bow down if you'll be demonetized either way.

    • @habibifather7681
      @habibifather7681 5 місяців тому +1

      ​@@KevinG9012 it is not a joke

  • @dillonc7955
    @dillonc7955 5 місяців тому +18

    Ah so this is what happens when you leave a PKM and a Type 88 LMG in a room for too long together...

  • @LFDNC
    @LFDNC 5 місяців тому +25

    This isn’t a weapon. It’s a lifestyle.

  • @vladimirkostic9932
    @vladimirkostic9932 5 місяців тому +7

    Unfortunately, when I served in the Yugoslav army in 1986, it was not in use. At that time, as a machine gunner in the department, I was given a Hitler buzz saw or M53 witch is copy of MG42. Its burnishing partially fell off from intensive use, so I was constantly fighting rust on the field Easy to shoot and heavy to carry (12,5kg) and a big, big consumer of ammunition. During the war in 1999 I had the opportunity to try M84 from my comrade, it is really accurate and it was brand new black with wood stock.

  • @superfamilyallosauridae6505
    @superfamilyallosauridae6505 5 місяців тому +24

    Yugoslavia and Finland did not strictly go with Western or Soviet equipment, at times they had quotas for each and at times they preferred one over the other. At various times, Yugoslavia used primarily American tanks and fighter jets, at other times, Soviet, and eventually domestically made. Small arms happened to be dominated by Soviet designs, but this is not an accurate picture of the entire Yugoslavian arms supply situation. The same goes for Finland.

    • @vasilije94
      @vasilije94 5 місяців тому +4

      Both countries wanted reliability. That's why they both have AK platform as a main infantry weapon. As much as other guns improved reliability, AK is still going to be the best, and during the wartime when you don't have time to clean it, Zastava m70 will just work and chug out any round. As war in Ukraine showed, its all about mechanised battalions. Most fights happen within 100 m, mostly even less than 50 m even though Ukraine is basically just a plain open field. That bit of extra accuracy on AR15 doesn't mean much in those engagments. Also people compare fully decked out civilian AR15 to old AKM platforms and say AK sucks and recoil is strong. New AKs are out for a long time. New m21 is fully modular, with easy calliber switch and shoots grendel. Its perfect. Reliability of an AK, modularity and ergonomics of AR, and balistics of grendel round. Perfect. Yugoslavia and now Serbia was always neutral. We don't like USA and we don't like Russia (Soviet Union). Thats why we don't care for either side. What works works, doesn't matter where it comes from.

    • @manchagojohnsonmanchago6367
      @manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 5 місяців тому +3

      Yougos used tommy guns, grease guns, m1 garands and stg44s too

    • @cinoeye
      @cinoeye 5 місяців тому +4

      @@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367Sherman Tanks, US jets-f84,f86, Sabre, , French and American Helicopters, Swedish and Uk radars….

    • @vasilije94
      @vasilije94 5 місяців тому +4

      @@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 yea, we dont really care. We are not biased to west or east. We just want our shit to work when it needs to. Lol

    • @superfamilyallosauridae6505
      @superfamilyallosauridae6505 5 місяців тому

      @@vasilije94 More importantly, it needs to be logistically sustainable in a war with either. This (necessary) schizophrenia drove the decisions.

  • @Evopandawithalumpia
    @Evopandawithalumpia 5 місяців тому +26

    Never have I been more compelled to email a person in my life. Let’s get this thing stateside.

  • @TheBranchez
    @TheBranchez 5 місяців тому +3

    Love the video man! Had me smiling pretty much throughout the whole thing 😊

  • @TheColosiss
    @TheColosiss 5 місяців тому +14

    Own of my 4-H leaders is a Vietnam Marine Vet. He has a picture on his bedroom wall of his friends all holding odd gear. He was holding a heavily modified PK series. He has some links below the picture. It was his personal favorite and they had a nearly limitless supply of ammunition for it when they found a few caches. It never failed him. He is still bummed to this day that he couldn't bring it home.

  • @Maximilian1990
    @Maximilian1990 4 місяці тому

    Very cool video, always love hearing weapon insights and folk tales from people who actually designed and used the equipment in action. Especially when those people have great personalities like Danko and Ranko

  • @realitycheck4158
    @realitycheck4158 5 місяців тому +15

    I carried one of these, even did cqb, lighter than a saw!
    Glorious PKM!🔥

  • @TheRealBobBasher
    @TheRealBobBasher 5 місяців тому +3

    Wow...the slo mo really shows that barrel whip! Wow.

  • @Lester.M
    @Lester.M 5 місяців тому +3

    The track suit was golden. Well done sir.

  • @novideostopost1268
    @novideostopost1268 5 місяців тому +31

    TFB TV Constantly Reaffirming Zastava purchase even though the rifle speaks for itself

  • @einarhornraiser9019
    @einarhornraiser9019 5 місяців тому +9

    Wow! I haven't even thought about KeyMod in a couple years now! I was quite surprised to see it in military use.

    • @tfbtv
      @tfbtv  5 місяців тому +9

      Still common in Europe.

    • @dayaninikhaton
      @dayaninikhaton 5 місяців тому +2

      ​@@tfbtvHell nothing surprises me there, Seeing Maxims and Hotchkiss still in operation there makes Forgotten Weapons just as relevant again.

    • @Kesssuli
      @Kesssuli 5 місяців тому +3

      Keymod still existing in europe may have something to do with licensing.
      Keymod is totally opensource to use. M-lok needs license from Magpull.
      Just guessing why some companies still use keymod as default.

    • @einarhornraiser9019
      @einarhornraiser9019 5 місяців тому +1

      @@Kesssuli Ya know what, I'll bet you're correct. I forget MLok is MagPul. I feel like this explains a lot regarding Keymod's popularity overseas.

    • @Kesssuli
      @Kesssuli 5 місяців тому

      ​@@einarhornraiser9019 As example small and very little know company from europe Hecler Koch is still using keymod as default rail system.
      I have nothing to prove that theory
      so it is just a guess😆

  • @OuijaSTi
    @OuijaSTi 4 місяці тому

    So glad I picked up one of these parts kits and some barrels when I had the chance. Can't wait to build it out one day.

  • @scottrobinson3281
    @scottrobinson3281 5 місяців тому +5

    Interesting to compare the M84 and PKM with the South African SS77. It uses the PKM gas regulator, locking mechanism of Goryunov SG43/SGM, feed and barrel locking mechanism of MAG58, double recoil spring system based on Armalite AR18. Externally, it resembles the PKM.

  • @sorab777
    @sorab777 4 місяці тому +2

    It's all truth . Salute from 63 airborn...

  • @FastPaull
    @FastPaull 5 місяців тому +8

    I have a Zpap M70, and i'm more than impressed with Zastava's quality. All the rivets are perfect. There's no rattles or weird noises. Probably the best stamped import AK out there right now imo. The only minor complaint i have is that the gun is pretty overgassed out of the box, So if you plan on adding a can, you'll definitely want to address the gas system.

    • @roentgen571
      @roentgen571 5 місяців тому +3

      My M85 (AK "pistol" in 5.56) seems first rate. Super loud with a huge flash, but that's what you get with 5.56 out of a 10" barrel...

  • @dicus63
    @dicus63 4 місяці тому +1

    During my military service, I was gunner with M-84. At first, I hated this machine gun. As a scout, I had long marches in the field every day during my training, and I was quite bothered by the weight and ergonomics of the "Ceca". Everything changed after the first live firing. I realized that I had a beast in my hands and something worth carrying. From then on, I loved this MG. All the stories about its accuracy are true. I had better shooting results than my colleagues who were using the M-70, and often even those who had the M-76 rifle.

  • @exyugo
    @exyugo 4 місяці тому

    I was fortunate to shoot M84 back in 1993-94 in full blast 💥. Also had a PKT mounted parallel with main cannon in my tank M84. Yes , Yugoslavia had tank model M84 and heavy machine gun M84

  • @BackPackBadger
    @BackPackBadger 5 місяців тому +2

    M84: "Thanks Man" 😁
    M240: (Cries quietly in the corner) 😭

  • @Paulie705
    @Paulie705 5 місяців тому +11

    Love the Zastava content. Hvala vam, James! 🇷🇸

  • @bilicool7834
    @bilicool7834 3 місяці тому +3

    Hi James, awesome video.
    I was a member The Guard, JNA elite unit and M84 operator during the 90’s.
    Can confirm everything in this video.
    Greetings from Serbia.

  • @mattgonzales810
    @mattgonzales810 5 місяців тому +16

    Hell yes, we want a semi version! 👏👏👏

    • @Reljic414
      @Reljic414 5 місяців тому +1

      Why? Because $100 worth of ammo will last you 10 min longer lol

  • @ivandjordjevic5088
    @ivandjordjevic5088 3 місяці тому

    Whoever served his country and was operator on CECA he knows it's best friend of every soldier and warrior!

  • @mikerogers582
    @mikerogers582 5 місяців тому +1

    I have used PKMs, & I agree. It is a fine weapon.

  • @nathanwhite5602
    @nathanwhite5602 5 місяців тому +3

    Great job on the video

  • @appidydafoo
    @appidydafoo 5 місяців тому +11

    Your delivery is phenomenal and the writing is equally impressive. Perfect blend of information and entertainment.

    • @tfbtv
      @tfbtv  5 місяців тому +2

      Thank you

  • @ogimati5175
    @ogimati5175 5 місяців тому +7

    Had it as coaxial machine gun next to my 20mm cannon..back in '90s wars.. 2000 rounds in 4 boxes for it.. I can just say it's amazing gun. Never failed me. I love it.

  • @Nearsightedfarseer
    @Nearsightedfarseer 5 місяців тому +5

    PKM derivative? Serbian made? Yes please.

  • @timwedemeyer117
    @timwedemeyer117 5 місяців тому +10

    Zastava and the videos you do on them are awesome!

  • @isimisoko
    @isimisoko 5 місяців тому +2

    Dont forget that Yugoslavia was not the part of warsaw pakt. We act,more,like buffer zone or cannon food if there was conflict between east and west in favor of west side.
    Yugoslavia ,Serbia, just copied , without permission of Moscow, weapons and added some little details of own

  • @Powershift
    @Powershift 5 місяців тому +8

    Love the Slavdidas track suit footage. LOL

    • @breckfreeride
      @breckfreeride 4 місяці тому +1

      Just missing the squat... Would have been plus 20

  • @alreadywalkingdead
    @alreadywalkingdead 4 місяці тому +1

    my father carried a M53 (Zastava's copy of MG42) in the war colloquially called "Šarac" and he loved the gun because it fired insanely fast and as he says "eats through ammo like a whore takes money". he later on got a Ceca with ZRAK optic and he loved it as well especially because its a bit lighter and you can actually see where the bullet lands and correct instantly as you're firing because of the optic
    btw listen to ceca idi dok si mlad

  • @PaulOtlewski
    @PaulOtlewski 5 місяців тому +7

    I work at Lewman Arms and we have a factory Hungarian PKM post sample that we rent on our range. I've had access and experience with many different belt fed machine guns and the PKM is by far my favorite machine gun in our inventory.

  • @Dembilaja
    @Dembilaja 5 місяців тому +2

    Hello. Yugoslavia while it was a communist country, it didn't align itself with Soviets nor Warsaw Pact. In fact, Yugoslavia was not in great relations with USSR for quite some time after Tito Stalin split happened. Yugoslavia was founding member of Non Aligned Movement.
    JNA adopted M84 because relations with Soviet Union finally thawed off at the time, M53 (MG42 copy) it was using was due for retirement, and because PKM was best GPMG out there.

  • @ZacharyYates
    @ZacharyYates 5 місяців тому

    One of the best gun channels on UA-cam

  • @stevannikolovski
    @stevannikolovski 5 місяців тому +6

    Ask albanians how Ceca sang on battle of Pastrik and how many of them ended there.

  • @arnoldestipona2244
    @arnoldestipona2244 5 місяців тому +1

    One advantage is the use of none disintegrating link. It simplify the mechanical operation. More complex mechanism,more chances of malfunction

    • @jfess1911
      @jfess1911 5 місяців тому

      It actually makes the weapon more complicated since the bullet must be pulled backwards from the belt and moved over to be inline with the bore. The older M9 disintegrating link used for the 30-06 Browning MGs did the same thing. I don't really know why the US and NATO decided to go with the M13 push-through design, but it seems that pulling that pulling the bullet from the link during the backstroke of the op-rod and chambering on the return seems to help consistency, going by the PK's reputation.

  • @BerkutBang
    @BerkutBang 5 місяців тому +24

    The PKM, and its derivatives, is the best LMG that has ever been fielded. This isn’t even a debate.

  • @crazygunar
    @crazygunar 5 місяців тому +4

    As @ForgottenWeapons said: It's so precise it's not even fun.... Reason why PKM ammo is slightly unbalanced with powder charge to force spread(???).
    Anyway, I remember very well of this gun from army days. It comes with two barrels (one for RnR and second as pi$$ practice - for cooling, as long as barrel is whitish), massive tripod (with AA feature, and for some reason always ends up stuck between your ribs), 2-3 ammo box with belts and small manual machine for loading belts.
    Ceca will tear apart any early APCs from 200-300m range with ease. Everybody loves it, except those from other side of sights!

  • @ivicajovanovic8731
    @ivicajovanovic8731 4 місяці тому +3

    My right arm is 10 cm longer than left one ... 15 months I did carried mine PM84 and I don't regret it 😊 absolutely best weapon I ever saw. And my company commander knew how to make us to shoot only 1 round ... Not to waste ammo and to hit what you aim at it 👊

  • @IHavAnAkimbonr
    @IHavAnAkimbonr 5 місяців тому +18

    That cake in that tracksuit is ridiculous James, phew

  • @hanslibija8324
    @hanslibija8324 5 місяців тому +4

    Nisam bio u JNA ali ovo smo zvali u bosni sejac smrti ili skraceno sejac!

  • @RookieL021
    @RookieL021 5 місяців тому +5

    10:49 damn James looks like he's one of the bosses from Escape from Tarkov

  • @Gabthar
    @Gabthar 5 місяців тому +5

    Ian was mostly talking about the pkm and not specifically the m84 in that video.
    The video was about the pkm and the m84 is a direct copy of the pkm

    • @zenly_csgo
      @zenly_csgo 5 місяців тому

      as i realize it m-84 reverse engineered copy of PKM. Just cant realize why they didn made same stock with a hole

  • @acoustic296
    @acoustic296 5 місяців тому +2

    4:44 that cake

  • @joeb6986
    @joeb6986 5 місяців тому +32

    Ranco having a ptsd flashback while talking

    • @tfbtv
      @tfbtv  5 місяців тому +10

      Lolol

    • @g54b95
      @g54b95 5 місяців тому

      Your comment got hijacked by a BS scammer spampornbot. It's near the top of the list now. Downvote and report the pornbot.

  • @liamulrich5274
    @liamulrich5274 5 місяців тому +2

    I see a tfb TV video with the name zastava on it, I'm going to watch

  • @slobodanjovanovic3480
    @slobodanjovanovic3480 5 місяців тому +2

    Well sorry but the nicкname Ceca did not come from the singer. One of the special operation soldiers (JSO) that was very successful with M84 codename was Ceca, and that is how the nickname stacked with M84

  • @adrianshephard224
    @adrianshephard224 5 місяців тому +1

    This machine gun nickname in Bosnia was "death sower"...

  • @ligaar0849
    @ligaar0849 5 місяців тому +5

    God damn the steam coming off the thing in slow motion is not something i thought i needed. But boy did i need it.

  • @spektr540hemi
    @spektr540hemi 5 місяців тому +4

    WANT WANT WANT !!!
    Civilian version yesterday !!!
    Yes PLEASE !!!

  • @cinoeye
    @cinoeye 5 місяців тому +2

    Note to our American friends-Yugoslavia/Serbia was not a member of Warsaw pact. We were non aligned and armed with both weapons from the west and east.

  • @victorbostitch2294
    @victorbostitch2294 5 місяців тому +13

    Arkan's wife out here spittin fire

  • @IronGunner10
    @IronGunner10 5 місяців тому +4

    Geezus James... only your ass could steal the spotlight of the M84 in this great footage. No Diddy.

  • @Mohammed96M
    @Mohammed96M 2 місяці тому

    We have one of them in Libya, and it is a durable machine gun with few malfunctions
    My favorite weapon in war

  • @darkogalic5422
    @darkogalic5422 4 місяці тому +1

    Ivan Andjelic - Doktor in Battle of Vukovar fired 250 magazine with that weapon on rotating chair without chair back on Serbian position wounded several occupiers who fired green flares for their fellows to pick them up. True story. It happened in the night on 12. october 1991 on crossroads with three streets (O. Price, Stjepana Supanca i Augusta Cesarca).

  • @crvenebrigade762
    @crvenebrigade762 4 місяці тому

    Моја омиљена, 3 године смо били најбољи пријатељи! ЖРС

  • @JB-uk7mn
    @JB-uk7mn 5 місяців тому +1

    James looks unusually good in a track suit, no Diddy

  • @pinokio6149
    @pinokio6149 5 місяців тому +7

    Ceca je....cudo!!!Nosio je 9 meseci...Prava stvar❤

    • @StefanBlagojevic
      @StefanBlagojevic 5 місяців тому

      @pinokio6149 Највероватније си служио 2004. године?

    • @pinokio6149
      @pinokio6149 5 місяців тому

      @@StefanBlagojevic Septembar 2004 maj 2005.Obuka u Zajecaru...tuga od kasarne...cistis cime pod komandom...posle toga Vranje,gornja kasarna i baza Golema Cuka.Popeo se na bazu par dana pred Novu Godinu,znam da je taj dan bio onaj ogromni cunami tamo negde naSinatri..Tajlandu..nesto tako...poginulo milion ljudi bukvalno...Spustili me sa baze negde pred kraj aprila,na redovno...vratio se na tri dana bukvalno.Bilo zanimljivo...Straza po 30 dana bez prestanka...patrole po 12 km u jednom pravcu..ides sa minerima trazis mine....par puta nocu isli u zasedu...I tako.Danasnji klinci...mogu samo da sanjaju o otome.A i bolje je tako.Bas su mi zanimljivi u ovim helanka pantalonama...carapice i tetovaze...Ludilo mozga🤗🤗🤗

  • @floridaman2011
    @floridaman2011 5 місяців тому +3

    I always love to see Darko from DumDum. One of my favorite gun youtubers

  • @DSS-jj2cw
    @DSS-jj2cw 5 місяців тому +1

    Better weapon than the M60 I carried in the 80s. I did like the M60s distregating belt and a foregrip however. But other than those issues I would much have used this.

  • @simeonges1
    @simeonges1 4 місяці тому +1

    During the Cold War, Yugoslavia was NOT "within the Soviet sphere of influence" and was NEVER a Warsaw Pact member!

  • @bigzjoe555
    @bigzjoe555 5 місяців тому +2

    So… a semi-auto “modern sporting rifle” version of the M84 is coming the US soon? Oh a man can dream.

  • @peka003
    @peka003 4 місяці тому +2

    saw picture of my grandpa using it in kosovo war 1999

  • @jeffreyoldham55
    @jeffreyoldham55 5 місяців тому +3

    Belt fed encounter with Ceca is *extremely* satisfying! 😏

  • @alanniederlitz8630
    @alanniederlitz8630 4 місяці тому +1

    geez o PETE jim, Serbs allowed you to wear your GAY NAWLINS LAWYER SHORTS, or is it NAWLINS GAY LAWYER SHORTS..???!!!???

  • @sasazivic2831
    @sasazivic2831 5 місяців тому

    Jemes ...A big salute to our brother in arms...

  • @minhoek3252
    @minhoek3252 5 місяців тому +2

    when you will go to czech republic try to get your hands on UK 59 or zb 26:)

  • @seppa1019
    @seppa1019 5 місяців тому +2

    We use PKM in Finland and I remember from my service time that it always worked perfectly.

  • @mr.martyr8573
    @mr.martyr8573 5 місяців тому +2

    Zastava anything is the best. I own 7 Rifles from them and they are absolute fucking WORKHORSES!

  • @HunterDave
    @HunterDave 5 місяців тому +4

    Oh man, we need a semi version of this in the US!!!

    • @StefanBlagojevic
      @StefanBlagojevic 5 місяців тому +2

      @HunterDave Start spamming mail son!

    • @aramisone7198
      @aramisone7198 4 місяці тому +2

      Maybe they will make it if enough people request it so send them an email it cant hurt.

  • @AndrewDasilvaPLT
    @AndrewDasilvaPLT 5 місяців тому +1

    Thank you for your work.

    • @tfbtv
      @tfbtv  5 місяців тому

      Thank you LG

  • @ClassicAirsoft
    @ClassicAirsoft 5 місяців тому

    Very nice review, Thanks for that and best regardes from germany ! If you like European LMGs / GPMGs try to get your hands on the MG5 / HK121

  • @triviszla1536
    @triviszla1536 5 місяців тому +3

    Going to be *that guy* at the range with my Zastava M84

    • @MichaelWhite-c2z
      @MichaelWhite-c2z 5 місяців тому

      Many will be jealous as F when you come to the range with Ceca.

  • @hopewilliams6705
    @hopewilliams6705 5 місяців тому +2

    Disclaimer... No firearms were harmed in the making of this video! LoL