✅New✅ .44 Special Federal Punch 👊 VS .45 ACP! Big Bore Ballistic Test
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- Testing the new Federal Punch in .44 Special VS the Federal Punch .45 ACP. The Federal Punch .44 Special is a 180 gr JHP rated at 815 FPS and the Federal Punch .45 ACP is a 230 gr rated at 890 FPS. I do a 10% Clear Ballistic test as well as some practical accuracy and chronograph tests. Always appreciative of any channel help :) www.patreon.co...
That .44 Special is a pleasant surprise. Amazed it expanded moving that slow
If you want fast .44 Special. Underwood and Buffalo Bore are what you want. 1000+/- 50 FPS Minimum.
Quiet and accurate is nice, but someone should remind Federal that.44 Special has a MAP of 15,500 psi. This is probably in the 7,000-8,000 range. Make the jacket a touch thicker, up the velocity 200 fps and it would still be quiet and easy recoiling.
That .44 bullet looks NASTY! 😲😲
Thanks for that. Love the 44 special, always have.
Nice accuracy!
Firstly I hope you feel better. Secondly you did a nice job demonstrating these ammo choices. I love .44 special. I have a Charter Arms bulldog in .44 special that I will sometimes carry, but my ammo choices have been hit or miss. This might get me interested in my little bulldog again. I carry the Critical Defense in it now, but this ammo could change that. I'm ordering a couple boxes today to see how it works for me, so thanks.
Thank you.
Interesting! We can sure see why .44 Special has been a handloader’s cartridge for years. When I got my first Charter Arms in the mid 1970’s there was nothing out there. I stayed pretty cautious, carried a 240 grain Winchester .433 Luballoy gas check SWC (wish I could still buy that bullet) over 7.2 gr. Unique. This is a plus.
Haha, ur old. I wasn't born until 80 (parent's born 1949 and 1950). I recall hearing the name Luballoy before. I personally have not loaded a ton of .44 Special but I have loaded a few and I can't even remember what they were, but I do sort of remember them being in the 300 ft lb energy mark. I haven't used Unique before but I load a lot of fast or generic powders like Universal and Titegroup so it was one of those, and it was a jacketed bullet. Been out of hand loading for a good year due to primers being so expensive anymore.
@@GunSam I’m getting back into loading after taking a couple decades off. Still have Bullseye, Unique and 2400 on the shelf (also 296, IMR4227 and H-110 for those magnums). Going to bite the bullet and buy some small rifle primers (I’m OK for small pistol) but ouch, those prices! Luballoy was a sort of copper coating, looked like Remington Golden Buller but copper colored. In those days, a very weak 246 grain RNL was the only factory .44 Special you could find.
Nice video, I was looking to change up my .44Spl defense load and came across your review on MidwayUSA, I figured anyone putting this much thought into a review has got to have a UA-cam channel, and I was right! Thanks much.
Very impressive shooting! I hope you are getting better health and voice wise.
Thanks. It comes and goes. Had to message my mother, ask her to call my doc for my medicine infusion that got pushed back a week. I literally couldn't talk to call them myself.
Thanks China for all your unnatural lab manufactured flu trash. Just thanks.
@@GunSam That sucks. I can't take the jab due to risk of blood clots. Covid would probably do me in. Talk about a rock and a hard place.
I really like that .44 special round (the .45 is great, too). A .44 spl that will expand, not overpenetrate, is accurate, etc. is darn hard to find. Given the very low recoil and noise, that might make a good home-defense round, too. As always, I appreciate your shooting at longer ranges, too. Great shooting
Yes. In my experience you sort of want this low recoil type of an option at about .38 Special energy, but all the others in this range will not expand at all. Pretty good design to expand at 700+ FPS, just goes to show that expansion isn't entirely dependent on velocity by itself.
@@GunSam would be nice to see a SJSP tested for the 44. IMHO the HP performed poorly even though it expanded.
I like the new way you're doing it with one side of the gel plain, and one side denim and MDF.
👍😊🎯 good testing , I’m a 44/45 guy 🤷♂️😁.
As soon as I saw the bullet on the 44 special, i knew it was gonna be a good video.
Thanks for watching! I wish you luck in your continued reloading. I started reloading 8 years ago, fun times.
@@GunSam thanks! So far I think I’ve got about 200 rounds loaded so far, still working on more. But man it requires concentration- I messed a few rounds up
@@crankygunreviews One of my main annoyances was mixed brass. You get the right mouth flare with lets say CBC, then you use the same die on a Remington and the bullet drops in to the bottom of the case lol. Not all brass is equal.
@@GunSam I agree- I’ve only done Winchester so far
No fuckin around and straight to the point. I really appreciate these videos Sam. I feel for ya having to recite the pre-test briefing every time. I'm sure it's probably annoying for you to do so, but I understand why it has to be done. Thanks again, and keep em coming!
Thanks!
@@GunSam If I had one request, shorten your outtro. But that's just one viewer's opinion.
This .44 Special Punch could be so much better if its velocity were closer to 1000 fps.
700+-815+ isn't much.
And places the .44 Special in almost the same category as .455 Webley used to sit and where standard pressure 9mm currently rests.
Slinging bullets with about 350-390 foot pounds of muzzle energy.
Instead of the 420-500ish pounds of muzzle energy that it COULD be generating.
A bonded HST bullet at 1000-1100 fps would give better performance and still likely be safe for something like Charter Arms .44 Special and/or a .45 Colt Bulldog revolvers.
Which could be proven out in a lab.
And if it's not?
Federal could follow the path of other ammo makers manufacturing hotter than dismal performing standard velocity/pressure ammo and publish warnings to the effect that THIS line of ammo isn't meant for Charter Arms, or older guns in poor condition.
If more ammo makers would do this thing?
Instead of jacking prices up for mediocre performing garbage?
Charter might finally wise up and put out a better quality product than the expensive-for-what-it-is, revolver line they keep churning out.
That is amazing accuracy with both guns at 75 yards!
Even though you’re only a few feet from the chrono you’re grouping is amazing. My theory on the projectile ending up rearward of the maximum penetration depth is that the gel acts as a trampoline. Once the bullet’s energy has pushed the gel to the maximum elasticity the gel closes up around it. Just my thoughts. 👍🇺🇸
Thanks
Im so glad you keep politics out of your channel. Keep up the great work
Great to see a 44 Spl load that performs so well at low velocity. I could actually live just fine with . 58-.60" expansion and, say, 14" of penetration. But i will take it. I was thinking of the advantage of low noise level a few seconds before you mentioned it. I love my 357's, and my 40's, but i would hate to light off either in the house. Quite a few people only own 1 or 2 handguns, 1 of which might be a 44 mag for hunting or woods carry (or maybe they inherited it). Anyone in that situation needs a good Special load for the house, and it looks like we have one. The 45 did very well, as was expected. Looks like Federal had figured out how to get the Punch JHP's to expand well at low velocity. Good for them.
I had a S&W Model 21 'Thunder Ranch" .44SPL awhile back and was pretty much dismayed at how utterly anemic all available on the shelf .44SPL ammo was. Everything I tried was extremely low velocity and that included premium ammo. Gold Dot. Silvertip etc. Out of a 4" barrel I could barely achieve anything over 800fps and even with the lighter 180-210gr rounds. Pathetic. I finally discovered Underwood and Buffalo Bore ammo and only then got reasonable results when testing. My favorite was Underwood 190gr SWCHP doing 1100+fps out of a 4"
Cool, I never heard of a model 21. You learn something new everyday. Buffalo Bore makes a 190 gr LHP version as well, I get 1,070 FPS in my 4.25" barrel.
that 44 special is looking good for a low recoil option also something I have seen is some 44 special ammo will actually give you the same a little more velocity from a shorter barrel 44 special chambered firearm like a charter arms bulldog or smith and wesson model 296 than they will from a 44 magnum not sure why
You're probably correct. Most .44 Special handguns available now are snub-nose. I wanted some for my Cimmaron model P
I think it is the same effect as the Federal HST .38 Special+P where even in 4" Model 10's .38 Special only, velocity was something like 750 FPS but in a 2" revolver it was about 830 FPS. I think that this .44 Special is so low powered that the bore drag of extra barrel length is starting to overcome the velocity potential.
Great video BUT more importantly, take care and get to feeling better Sam.
Thanks. I was never really ill to be honest. The main thing is a few videos back I complained that my rheumatoid arthritis was acting up, and looking back in reality it was Covid causing the joint pain.
Good expansion on the .44 despite terrible velocity and foot lbs. I think this would be an excellent load if it was faster.
Yeah it would be great. The over .70 caliber expansion indicated that more velocity would peel it back like the MDF shot did and it would penetrate more and still get over .60 caliber expansion.
Make your own recipe. That's what the 44 is all about.
The 44 Special is normally loaded similar to a 45 ACP +P, and can be loaded way up or down. I am not sure of that load. Seems down loaded. It can very comfortably exceed those velocities. They are both excellent and capable cartridges. Probably the best for many purposes. Thanks for the video.
Definitely low loaded. I think it was loaded for a snub and the extra barrel length is causing enough drag to slow it down, that's just how low the power is, but it needs to be that way for lower recoil. Much of the Buffalo Bore .44 Special is about 500 ft lbs in this revolver.
Being the "Punch" line from Federal is supposedly optimized for defensive anti-personnel purposes (not real sure what bullet they are loading), more than likely it's a fast-flash powder, loaded in low grain weight, to optimize short barrel use (Ruger GP100, S&W M69, Charter Bulldog).
I agree, seemed like a .38+P(+)...?
That is a great revolver and that special is a great defence round, I like that bullet design but needs more steam on those.That barrel is perfect length for carry on that revolver and still get good speed , any non expanding round even a target fmj would work well in 44 as it is already almost half a inch...lol
The model 69 is perfect and I wish it had come out sooner. It's amazing how an L-frame like the model 69 is carryable but the next up N-frame really isn't. I used to have an N-frame model 629 and it was just too much size and weight, but carrying the L-frame is doable.
@@GunSamthat 629 begs for a chest rig!!!
.44 Special; nice!! 😃👍 One of my favorite rounds for my snub nose (2.5" barrel) .44 Mag! I've only fired hardcast wadcutters through mine so far; 200 & 255 grain hardcast from Underwood Ammo.
Thank you for bringing this to light.
I think MDF matters more...Got to say would like to see it in the Meat Target w Paul Harrell's 3" GP100 see if it does better than the Critical Defense....the expansion is good. The .45 did will. They have made HST's harder than they used to be penetrate more expand less but you strangely got none. Hope you test another box someday.
I knew you would like this video based on I used .45 ACP lol.
Good to see you are getting better. The sad thing is I missed the notification.😠 I like that 44 special.
It really annoys me when manufacturers make unrealistic claims about bullet velocity. Winchester, Remington and Federal are the chief offenders.
I'm on the fence about this new .44 Special cartridge.. Have you tested Sig's .44 Special offering yet? It seems promising
I haven't been able to acquire Sig's .44 Special but it is one the radar. Surprisingly Federal is the least off from rated velocity VS actual velocity compared to other companies, so I was a bit surprised then I got less than rated.
Thanks for another great test! Hope you feel better soon
Thank you.
I own a model 329PD 44 magnum six round revolver. 44 Special loads are my self-defense rounds from two-legged predators. 44 magnum loads for defense from four legged beasts.
Seems that a lot of the defense rounds are loaded down I guess to keep from over penetration! A little more speed wouldnt hurt but still the 44spcl did ok from what you just showed! I could see the projectiles in both rounds bouncing off the steel lol! Have a good Friday and get well! Thanks for the efforts!
I think it's so companies stay away from hot loads. There are only a few that push the ammo to its limits.
Punch likes fighting to get deeper, that's why they call it Punch. Seems similar to Critical Duty, good choice.
Little known fact: JMB designed the original 1903 prototype for Army adoption (progenitor to the M1911) around a .45acp that closely approximated the .44 Special [~200gr @ 900fps, iirc] but the US Army insisted on something closer to the proven .45LC from Peacemaker days, so that's how we ended up w/ the 230gr @ 825fps ball round for .45acp; the Army wanted horse-stopping power, not merely a man-stopper in those halcyon days when horse cavalry was still a decisive arm of conflict...
That probably explains the Thompson-Legard? Tests if I am thinking of the name properly. Where they tested the .45 ACP at livestock yards.
Looks like both rounds would work. To keep a person safe.😊
I would love to see how that 44 special works out of a charter arms bulldog
@cml44spec1 Me too. I got some of that Federal Punch specifically for my Bulldog, but have yet to try it out.
I hope you feel better soon! 👍👍
Thank you
Why the 44 special lost popularity is just beyond me. It’s an amazing cartridge. It may ballistically similar to 45 ACP but you can’t get a 255 gr hard cast 45ACP.
Bore drag. If you go low enough in power to where the max velocity is achieved in a 2" or 3" barrel, more barrel will actually slow it down. Same effect with Federal HST .38 Special+P shooting faster in a 2" snub than a 4" revolver, and that phenomenon was recorded by multiple people with that round.
Actually, Underwood produces a 255 gr hardcast +p load for the .45 acp. It is a powerful load. I have shot it through bare gel. 43, 45, and 48+ inches of penetration. I only have 3 16 inch blocks, so, 48" is the max I can report. It would be a good bear protection load.
Yeah, you can actually get a 255 grain 45 ACP
@@erichanson7293It's amazing how many guys chime in with their bullsh*t. Glad to see someone who knows what he's talking about calling them out lol. That dude must be getting his firearms education from Biden
@@vlogfriendsutopia Another man who knows what he's talking about. We need to set up the kiddies table for some of these guys lol.
45 ACP smokeless was the Army equivalent to the .45 Colt revolver black powder load.
.45 ACP was and still is pretty awesome. They developed it right around 1900 by testing on livestock to skirt around the Hague convention rules of not using HP ammo (though not required to as the USA didn't sign that part) and came up with a round that even 90 years later, proved to be the only FMJ cartridge to drop the goats in the 1990's Goats at Strasbourg test. "Stopping power" charts sort of lie in some regard, as in general with more real world info the .45 ACP 230 gr ball round is basically 'as good' as a 9mm hollow point.
Wow, great shooting at 75 yards!
Thanks. To be fair I didn't mention I had my KKM match barrel in my .45
Hmmmmm, very interesting! Has Federal developed the Punch line more since its release? I thought I remembered it as having hit or miss expansion. If it expands at those low velocities, I wonder if the 38 special expands well. I wonder if that projectile has been developed more over time.
This is the very fir iteration of the .44 Special version. They should tweak it.
respect 75 yards good aiming
Both did well and I certainly would carry the .45 in my FNX. I wonder if that .44 is like the .38spl HST and would get just as good or better velocity from a shorter barrel?
Exactly. I felt like the HST .38 Special and this round are similar in that respect. I imagine the 815 FPS is from a 2.5" Bulldog.
@@GunSam please federal, give us the .44Mag 200gr HST low recoil. Been good all year ...
I think both rounds did very well.
Great review and nice shooting
Thank you
Awesome test, thanks
Great test. Ever see any .44 Special Wadcutters?
Thanks. Not from normal brands, but I have seen and tested hard cast wadcutters from Buffalo Bore and Underwood.
From Underwood Ammo, baby!... Nice looking and sounding rounds! 200 & 255 grain... The 255 grain is a Keith Style wadcutter.
both of these suggestions sort of defeat the purpose of using a wadcutter for SD ammo. might as well look for .44 Russian if you want something real slow and soft.
@@macriggland6526 Hardcast... I think these are more for small/medium animal defense.
Very good and interesting video. Great distance shooting. For some reason my .44 Mag dose not shoot as well as yours, it must be the wind? lol. Thanks for sharing. Take care.
Thanks. To be realistic though, the new S&W design like my model 69 has the internal barrel tensioned in with a shroud over it. Jerry Miculek explained in a video how it is actually superior and more accurate. The tension and harmonics of it all make it really accurate.
@@GunSam Thanks. I will check that out. I think my problem is that I am not that good of a shot. I do really appreciate your videos. Thanks for all of your work.
yep
Helluva good shooting there
Thanks. Normally I miss half the time, decided to slow it down lol, seems to help
Can 44 special be fired from a 44 mag revolver?
Yes sir 👍
Yes, .44 Special and .44 Russian are the grandfather and father of the .44 Magnum and they shoot in a .44 Mag revolver just fine.
Just like u can fire a 38 special out of a 357 magnum.
Actually not the worse 44 special I've seen ,but the 45 definitely excelled over it though .
I sure would like to see what the ammo would do from a 16 inch barrel 44 carbine
would be interesting as 44 magnum Lever action owners could possibly have a good self defense Load.
Wow, I want to get that 44 special for my 5 inch 629.
Love them both. 👍
Federal Punch 👊 is good stuff! 👍
Below rated velocity. Seems to be a trend in some cartridges. It's kind of a ripoff if they don't deliver what they're supposed to. I did like your video with the 45acp +p from underwood. They seem to make things work well.
I would like to see the 180 in the 45 and definitely more speed in the 44!
What can I say? What's not to like about a big ol' .70+ caliber slug ripping a big hole in something?
Omg Now I'm torn between my favorite 45 acp and something new to me the 44 special what to do 😮 should I get both
When you hear a bump in the night, is there really time to put hearing protection on?
Hmmm....Standard .45 ACP Muzzle velocity =~ 830 f/s, while the standard .44 Special =~ 670 f/s. (Nite: The .44 Special weighs 16 grains more than the .45 ACP.j
Without digging into the back issues too far, I used to have very good luck and experiences with the old aluminum jacket Win Silvertip, is there possibly a similarity?
I don't know if there is a similarity, but a Patreon sent me some really old Silvertip 10mm a couple years ago, looks about the 1980's box. I have no idea if they are aluminum jacket but I been really wanting to find out and test them.
@@GunSam 10mm were copper jackets that are plated, went through a lot of those. Will dig around and see if I can find some expanded examples for you.
The old .32, .45 ACP and .44 Special options were aluminum jacketed, expanded very easily, normally.
Almost dumped all my weak 44spl ammo!
I guess they do well for hd 😬
What I’ve always wonder about is the transfer of energy? The 45 is a man stopper because it’s a slow fat bullet. Penetration? Get me?
The bullet weight is really what is making it effective. The original handgun testing in the early 1900's was done on livestock and the .45 ACP was shown to be more effective than 9mm on livestock, and that translated over into people too, but this was all with FMJ ammo.
Basically, when you have 230 gr going 800 FPS you have a bullet that is less likely to veer off course or prematurely stop if something gets in the way like ribs, so the momentum it has pokes consistent holes in straight lines to hit organs, as where a 9mm might veer off and miss an organ or vessel making the .45 ACP have more actual vital hits making it have more "stopping power".
Simple math dictates that more vital hits means a higher percentage of stops. In modern times both a 9mm and .45 ACP in hollow point ammo are pretty close in effectiveness as with hollow points there's not a lot of difference in their ability to stop someone, but the .45 ACP still retains that momentum edge to go deeper due to the momentum from the bullet weight.
The first shot into the pure gel with the 44special could be represenitive of a gut shot which tells me it would stay in the body and not over penetrate. I'd like to see what it would do in a full load.44 Magnum round.
Most rounds would stay in a body. 10% Clear Ballistics is much like organic ballistics gel in that 12" to 18" penetration represents 6" to 9" in a body. A full load .44 Mag will penetrate about the same as the .45 ACP if it is a 180 gr hollow point, the 240 gr hollow point will over penetrate to maybe 22" or more.
@@GunSam
The first white tail deer I shot with a handgun was a Smith and Wesson 629 6" at about 15 feet with 180 grain 44 special PMC. It works. The following 8 deer I shot was with 180 grain red box federal from Walmart. All were 1 shot kills however I only recovered 1 bullet from a six point buck at 10 yards. This was after my daddy told me I could never kill a big deer with a 44 Magnum. When I pulled the trigger on that 629 the first time I knew I had a powerful handgun.
@@bigmedicine8042 Killing deer is one of those things, sometimes powerful cartridges don't work, sometimes low powered ones work. I shot about three 200 lb deer in my life as I rarely hunted, I experimented with different guns. The .270 Weatherby Magnum was the best, the .444 Marlin I used another year was okay but not great, then I used a 12 gauge slug. Where I live and used to hunt basically has no gun rules. The slug did terribly, but I have heard of people easily taking deer with 9mm pistols. You just never know.
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.44 Special Punch...great load for a CA Bulldog or derringer but pathetically underloaded for a GP-100/S&W 24/624. After all these years and still no .44 Special +P designation to make this fine cartridge everything it "could" be.
There's not really going to ever be a .44 Special+P but Buffalo Bore ammo basically is. They warn to not use in a Charter Arms.
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Interesting part if these rounds are traveling slower then super sonic 1050 fps , why they still have the loud crack
There isn't a supersonic crack. Just the way Gopro picks up audio makes it sound that way.
Starts with a 4 .....
Looks like this .44 special load has very low recoil. Maybe even less than some .38 special.
Probably. Was hard to tell in the moment but it seemed like the recoil was about the same as target LRN .38 Special from my 686.
Why can’t they just go +p in a 44 spec its so annoying
Very much appreciate this video. I’ve only recently became a 45 ACP fan. It’s not that I haven’t liked it for decades. But it’s only lately that I’ve come to appreciate it as much as I appreciate 44 Special. I have 44 Spl in Rugers gp100 5” and Blackhawk 4 5/8” Bisley. I only handload for both. But haven’t truly accuracy tested them yet. After finding 44 SPL-like loads in 44 mag brass in an S&W 26 I was pumped about purchasing these 2. I want to find a great load for the 200gr XTP for deer hunting with the gp100 and one for the Montana Bullet Works 280gr LBT plain base. They are both far stronger than current factory ammo is loaded. They are still well below 44mag strength. So I’m not trying to go there. I’m just hoping for good expansion out to 70yds or so out of that XTP. Any reasonable recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again for a great video in 2 great calibers
I find the buffalo bore .44 Special to be quite nice. I believe their XTP .44 Special is a 180 gr, and they have this really nice Tac-XP or XPB in 190 gr if I recall, great loads. They load the XPB to overall length the same as a .44 Magnum to use more powder. All the buffalo bore.44 special ammo I've tried is right around 500 ft lbs in my model 69 here.
@@GunSam thanks for getting back to me. I work at Cabela’s and even at my discount that stuff is prohibitively expensive. I guess I’m just used to Handloading prices. And I meant to say S&W 29. Not 26. I’ll find a good load or 2 through experimentation. I’ve done it a few times before with other calibers. Just gotta keep your wits about you. Thanks again for an enjoyable video
Federal should be ashamed I think YOU did better with your sling-shot ----- 🤣🤣
I actually got something like 740 FPS with my 30 caliber pellet gun dieseling it.
Good job at 50 yards. The 44 Special Punch should work fine for defense.
Didn't meet basic penetration standards. How would it be a good round?
A soft hit is way better than a big miss.
I doubt that. Soft hit a grizzly bear. Same thing will happen to you with a crackhead taking one somewhere not vital. Would have been better for you not to even try. I hit with everything so I don't really get your comment to begin with.
That 44 special has less energy than 9mm.
Yeah, but it's got more diameter and more percentage of momentum. I think in the real world it would do about as good as 9mm, unless a side shot was made or a barrier was in the way.
That .44 Special Punch ammo must be very new. It's not even listed at Federal's website yet.
I always felt 180 grains was a bit light for a .44 caliber round, although the load here seems to perform admirably.
I would like to see it put against Federal's .44 Special Champion Training round, which is a 200 gr. SWCHP loaded to an advertised MV of 870 ft./sec. (I seem to recall this ammo was formerly marketed as their "Train & Protect" line of ammo).
I haven't been able to acquire that SWCHP round but I been trying to for 2 years. On Federal's website you have to go to 'this is Federal' then 'new products' to see the .44 Special Punch. You still cannot click on it to see information but at least it's acknowledged. Now I just wait on the .327 and .357 Magnum HST.
You have a bad grip on that glock, that is not conducive to accurate, or fast shooting. You should run your thumbs forward right over left. That crossed thumb business is 1980s poor.
Visibly less effect with the 44 at longer range. Pretty disappointing to me as a 44 fan.....
Federal punch rocks.
Take these apart and reload them in magnum brass with 30 grains of h110 and see how they do
Not terrible. Not best.
very disappointing results from their .44 special. The penetration was lacking in my opinion. After watching the video again and taking bounce back into consideration the .44spl penetrated to an acceptable depth.
.44 looks pretty week:).
Wtf Bro??? They must test all these revolver rounds out of 8 inch barrels! They are all grossly overrated…
Honestly I think they used a 2.5" as the powder charge is probably so low that more barrel is slowing it down.
I've always wondered if they test revolver ammo out of a locked chamber test barrel, the numbers are always way off.
@@natjonestower3035 Federal says 4" V which I believe is 4" with a cut to simulate cylinder gap.
Wow thats under powered 44spl. More like 44 russian