Caelan Doris vs Luke Pearce, Irish mistakes and South Africa's new style | The Left Wing
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- Ireland's relationship with referees is in the spotlight after the opening Test match defeat to the Springboks on Saturday.
Luke Fitzgerald and Ruaidhri O'Connor joined Will Slattery on The Left Wing podcast, with Caelan Doris' interactions with referee Luke Pearce a major discussion point.
South Africa's more attacking style of play also caught the eye, although Luke thinks it might be a mistake for the Springboks to move too far away from a power game.
The lads finish off by looking ahead to the second Test in Durban this Saturday and discuss what changes Andy Farrell might make after a suffering a number of injuries on Saturday
Its great to see so many South Africans commenting on Irish rugby podcasts recently. I used to find them irritating, but they have grown on me. I really have to give it the Saffas, they are fully engaged with rugby and rugby content from all sides.
And for all of their flaws they are proper, passionate fans and if every other group of fans supported their country like the Saffas did, rugby would be in a healthier place.
Unfortunately we have a healthy representation of keyboard warriors, best is to ignore them.
Rugby is life
To be fair I'm South African (and rugby mad). Even I get annoyed by some Bok fans. Some just need to learn humility. But I think these over zealous supporters exist because we feel the NH teams and pundits rarely give the Boks their flowers. I think it's gotten better, but some feel they need to give NH teams in particular some hate in return
I will say as a South African we love to tease 😈 and sometimes fans from other countries don’t get it. Most of it is light hearted. 😊
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I have a quick observation from last week's game. With player safety being a top priority, I'm concerned about why Dan Sheehan played 12 minutes with an ACL tear and ROBBY Henshaw played for an unknown amount of minutes with an HIA concern, did somebody drop the ball here?
Yeah that’s good point
I mean someone in the medical staff has to lose their job because of that,
Just unacceptable
Dorris does need to work on how he communicates with the ref but Luke Pearse did come off as very arrogant with how he talked to him
Yes he spoke to him s if he was a child. Unnecessary.
Dorris was fine, just another case of typical english dogs dismissing the irish.
@@lizzyhanahoe4197we don’t know what he said so maybe petulance got its appropriate response. Introspection might be a better idea than complaining. It’s always a lottery which side of Pearse’s you end up on. Many a team have “experience” with him. One has to learn to deal with it.
Luke Pearce is the new Stuart Barnes for Ireland . Typical weak English ref. 🫣
Good points on getting on more harmoniously with the referees. South Africa’s coaches and players have learned this lesson the hard way and the work with Jaco Peyper and his eventual appointment suggests they know how important this is. Peyper has also been a gem in press conferences explaining how refs approach and arrive at the contentious decisions in games. Great show today!
and Peyper completely one eyed when asked about the ridiculous calls by Pearce and tmo.
We can't take AMYTHING genuine from Peyper when he is not even honest with himself
@@FreePalestine-q1s You've got it wrong. Even if he disagrees with the calls, he's not going to call the refs out over an interview. We've done that before and it didn't go well. Any issues, Peyper will take them up with the refs afterwards. (Part of the reason SA hired him).
@@FreePalestine-q1s, your comment is one eyed. Peyper stated facts mostly.
Peyper is human.... but has the humility to admit his mistakes during his reffing career... the point made is that he has been able to change the mindset when dealing with the ref during the game... Boss were bad at it but have now changed their mindset... an issue that Owen Farrel has cost England in particular....
Agree. Remember the lessons we learned against the British Lions - especially the 1st test- when Siya couldn't get the ref's ear while AWJ was chatting to his heart's content.
The situation at loosehead is a complete joke. Our first choice is being run into the ground. Our 2nd choice is 36, and our 3rd choice has never played at loosehead before. Surely the whole point of a centralized system should be to avoid dumpster fires like this.
Agreed, surely we have some more props floating around. Maybe leave a sign outside a good breakfast roll place saying "Props wanted".
@@Camcolito OMG spit out my coffee with your comment! It's so hilarious because its true! And then Andrew Porter gets so much criticism when he gives a penalty away, because he is so exhausted having to carry, scrummage, and tackle for close to 80s mins. Healy can come on for 5 mins and gets completely destroyed at the scrum yet all the pundits stay quiet. Please someone make it make sense.
@@mylovelyhorse17754 Porter is a machine, incredible player that often plays against two waves of opposition. Agree he doesn't get enough credit.
Porter is a fantastic player but subjecting him to 40 or 50 minutes of Malherbe and then another good operator like Koch will be taxing for any loosehead.
The risk is then if Porter is not 100% and still expected to play 80....that's tough.
Mack Hansen is missed in attack
We played with 3 x inside centres and 2 x 14 type wingers
Ronan Kelleher was interviewed and said he intended to hook the ball back in the ruck. And when he went off his feet he basically just went through with it. So the try was correctly disallowed and i hope this narrative that it was done unintentionally is now closed. The only argument might be that the penalty should have been to the Irish for a potential neck-roll.
And where was this interview, post a link…😂
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I love the tone of this discussion! Well done. A breath of fresh air from the whine of Quinlan, Williams et al.
100% agree
This is really interesting to listen to Irish podcasts and Pundits discuss the issue of player depth.
The Leinster academy system is the envy of the world and yet Farrell has not utilised it to ensure the National team has the player depth to rotate the squad and blood new talent and minimise the drop off of player quality, now when injuries hit, panick sets in because the time and opportunities were not given earlier to the 2nd and 3rd choice players. Then we see players parachuted in out of position to play their 1st test against world champs and then they lament that they are missing the player who chose to go to sevens and left the space he replaced.
Ireland have the talent but it is waisted if Farrell plays the same team week in week out and doesn't allow new talent to have an opportunity to grow into the team.
Ireland will talk about being a weakened team for its injuries, but its not the injuries that weakened the team its the lack of investment in building squad depth and thats on the management.
Flip the teams and if this was SA discussing the loss of their 4 biggest players in Kitsoff, DeJagger, Willemse and Am would we agree the Bok team is weaker and the drop off to current team is significant?
Management must and always be developing the next squad while the current squad is at its peak.
Word up, Ireland first 15 when fit is one of the top teams, but beyond that real depth is lacking. Q.E.D. RWC 2023.
Leinster has front row deficiencies despite "buying" foreign talent. Blaming Farrell for not using what isn't there is stupid
Same story as the world cup. If substitutes were used properly and rotating the squad was actually a thing then Ireland would have had the gas to finish off new Zealand. 38 phases new Zealand defended only because the Irish had no gas.
Actually they had run out of ideas as well. I wonder if Sexton's suspension affected the possible rotation of players early on in the tournament as he then needed to play in those early matches? Ireland were talking their depth up before the RWC think the penny's dropping go now.
One academy as the source of talent for an entire nation is just insufficient and pathetic
If Ireland were serious then you would have 4 Leinsters in all 4 of the provinces
And now you have these excuses about injuries and player tiredness and poor development and management of players, cmon😂
Your player pool has got to be better
There was no ruck and Snyman was the tackler therefore he had every right to make the tackle on the Ireland 9. There was no foul play, simply a hard tackle by a big man on a small one and it was unfortunate that he hit the back of his head on the hard turf. And Pearce clearly told Doris that he had already answered him 3 times. How many more times should the ref have answered the same question?
The ball was gone. His timing was late. If he has the ball i agree with you. He didnt, so its completely unnecessary and Snyman could have stopped with the action . He did not so its a penalty for me. I agree the intention is not to injure but the injury did come as a result of the action.
@@kh7431 You and I can see the ball was gone but Snyman's head was on the opposite side of the ball so he had no way of knowing it was gone. And you can't penalise players based on the severity of an injury in a legal tackle.
@@shawnberry6110 you can penalise a player at anytime for any illegal activity. Tackling a player without the ball is one of the most common ones in rugby. Your comment defending whether Snyman could see the ball is laughable and frankly in the case of a late tackle irrelevant even if it was true. It's an unnecessary late hit. You have no argument
@@kh7431 If it was a late tackle the ref and TMO would penalise him. He literally had his head on the right side of the 9's body when it was being released a split second before he made contact. He was already making the tackle and could not pull out.
Go to minute 63 in the video and tell me where I'm wrong. Also the ref and TMO agrees with me. Therefore they are corrupt or incompetent and you know everything in which case I suggest you write to World Rugby and inform them of this corruption and incompetence among their professionals and offer your services as a one eyed supporter who knows it all. Here's the video, now tell me where Snyman's head is and how long it takes him to make contact after the ball has been released.
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@@kh7431 Great way of spinning what I said to suit your agenda. I clearly said 'you can't penalise players based on the severity of an injury in a legal tackle.' and you spin it to 'you can penalise a player at anytime for any illegal activity'. And there was no late hit. It took less than half a second for Snyman to make the tackle after the ball was released. If it were illegal then the ref or TMO would have called it at the time. Or World Rugby would come out and cite Snyman. They had until Monday to do it so clearly they think it was a legal hit.
The referee and team were put on blast for a year by SA. NZ used to get all the 50/50 calls, SA probably rightly wanted to press home an advantage and get the benefit of thw doubt calls as they are the best now. Its up to Ireland management to call tgis out fornwhat it is and demand equality at all times. top 5 teams are closer than ever before and ao should tge unconcous bias of referees be!
Great having the Irish team in SA, they are bloody hard to beat and definitely could have won the game.
Lads, I don't understand this myth that Sam Prendergast is too small. He's 6 foot 4 and 91kg plus. He's bigger than both Crowley and Sexton, and they get on fine.
People need to call it out for what it was when it comes to the REF and TMO. It was like speaking to a brick wall with Luke Pearce. Luke saying oh this moaning doesn't help. There wouldn't need to be moaning if you didn't have concussed teammates stretchered off with no penalty and tries disallowed over silly shit.
"tries disallowed over silly shit."?? I assume you're talking about the Louw try being canceled? If so, mate, the law is the law. The only way that ball in the lose scrum came out on Ireland's side was because it was played on the ground. If that didn't happen Louw would be tackling and not running fot a try.
We all want discisions to be correct. In this case, the TMO got it spot on!
@@nhkdolfynkus1199pundit here and Nigel Owen’s himself both confirm the TMO has no business getting involved in minute details like that. And if your case is that the TMO should be. Then every minor infringement needs to be called and in that case the first infringement in that ruck is the neck roll from Willie le roux on kelleher to take him off his feet. Either way the TMO got it wrong
If he didn’t get concussed there wouldn’t even be a discussion about that tackle. It’s a legal tackle nothing wrong with it. Just a bad outcome. Also now you may understand why Rassie made that video after trying to get answers from the refs after the game and they wouldn’t even explain why Nic berry made the calls he made.
@@ItsBellersnigel owens did mot say what u did. He said it was highly technical. Pure decision if the ball was touched illegally intentionally or not. It was touched and ended up on the irish side.
@@cedriclakey8210 everyone can go re watch the video and see what he said. Latest whistle watch on world rugby for anyone doubting what he said
Most insightful podcast I’ve listened to all week. Great to get the Irish view of the game. Looking forward to Saturday! I think both teams will give it everything again 🇿🇦
2092 views but only 60 Likes. Come on people hit that Like button! This video was fantastic - extremely insightful.Thank you from Cape Town
This is a good pod.
Luke saying Prendergarst is too slight for international rugby, but his mate Ross Byrne is such a massive unit isn’t he. Probably the first pod in a while I haven’t heard Luke or Will calling for Caelan Doris to be dropped, maybe that’s because their mate Jack Conan isn’t there
Ross Byrne shouldn't be playing there either.
Enjoyed the chat fellas.
It ended up being 3 tries each, a different tmo on any other day perhaps a different stat there. Thats test rugby.
Ire fans should take some comfort in that as after all SA defence is/has been a lot less porous.
Ire were chasing the game from the start and were given a few get out of jail free cards with missed kicks on our side. Credit to them for hanging in though and never giving up.
Even after getting monstered 'in that scrum' in the 77th minute, most folks thinking well that's done and dusted, Ire came right back and scored a try a minute or 2 later. Hats off. I reckon the Bok after match review being less complimentary when discussing these lapses in defence.
I agree with Luke, everyone wants us (Boks) to play like other teams but that diverts us from our core strengths. I am all for a more expansive game on our part and having that skillset embedded in our box of tricks, it will keep other teams guessing a bit but it should not fundamentally change our 'dna' , just add to it.
Ireland did not come here to lose and that showed on the park last Saturday. Despite who won it was an rock solid test match and both teams can stand tall.
I look forward to another cracking contest on the weekend.
My only hope being no more nasty injuries.
Great podcast gents - as a Saffa it's lekka to hear your views. Interesting talking points and good luck for Durban. No one I know writes Ireland off for Saturday.
Ireland need to get an ex-international ref into the backroom. Boks are showing the way. They are the most innovative side now. I always thought that they could play expansive, fun to watch rugby if they really wanted to.
Really enjoyed this one! Great show! From a SA supporter living in the US
As an outsider, the way Ireland comes across with how they constantly carry on with the ref is whining, and almost throwing tantrums like a child. Imagine from the refs point of view. I think with that it's less is more, it needs to be no emotion and if he doesn't agree u need to say thank u ref, respect. Whining and throwing tantrums will never get u anywhere.
Luke couldn’t help himself haha he had to mention the World Cup selection again on SA not starting Pollard. He’ll be talking about this all the way to next World Cup at this stage
Farrell has always been very diplomatic with refs, he knows the game. If it is legacy issue from the sexton ere ..Ireland will find a balance over next while. Doris no different to any other new captain it takes a bit of time in the seat to be comfortable and make the right calls
Just on the RG Snyman tackle. Have a close good look at it. RG did commit yes, ref even try to keep the half back from knocking his knee. The Tackle was legal 100% have a look real time and slow motion.
The reason why ref go annoyed with Ireland captain was because he was constantly in his ear. After the ref said to him to please let him do his job instead of questioning every call before the ref could even go to tmo. Pierce said he have a team to work with so does South Africa and Ireland and the captain for Ireland that took over from Pieter to please stop.
Trust me even I got annoyed because of some calls made however as a umpire myself you have to make so many calls and decisions in such a sort time of fase play and then you have the tmo in your ear plus the 2 AR's captains and loud crowd.
Refs should also do their own pressers after a match to explain their side of the games
Have to agree " Ireland is hard to beat"... even though they where on the backfoot they were in the game untill the end
In reality these is so much respect between Saffas and Irish...players and fans....just a pity that in general media tries to drive this hate narrative
Both teams were guilty of sloppy play atthe breakdown, handling and needless penalties
Thanks guys 🍻
@independent_ie why is the video such poor quality?
Nice chat guys, very mature and knowledgeable.
I think ringrose seems to do pretty well with how he interacts with refs
Of course there's beef with Pierce. An Englishman refereeing a match with Irishmen involved!! We are natural enemies for millennia. He will do what enemies do. 😂😂😂 Come on, Ireland 🇮🇪
As a Springbok supporter. The Irish team think they to "clever" (Ireland is a GREAT SIDE !!!)Just play the game...Have respect!
Do one.
I think no one should comment until at least having watched the replays twice.
lots of commentary about how the irish attack has stagnated and sputtered since the world cup, but surprisingly no suggestion that crowley might be the weak link. not great form for munster this year either. i know there is a lack of depth at 10, but i'd love to see frawley get another proper go at it.
Ireland have suffered from some refs wo do seem to just have it in for them though, and a few of the biggest matches recently where alot more than half of the marginal decisions go against them.
Also, years of England, France, NZ doing some ridiculous late tackles on Sexton, to the point that everybody was going on endlessly about his concussion risks. The Irish team wasn't doing that to anything like the same extent that they were on the receiving end of it.
If refs are sick of the Irish team, do the Irish players have a right to be sick of refs like Barnes?
Will Slattery, hope you enjoyed Corks great win at Croke Park !
I've yet to hear a commentary mention Robbie Henshaw not going off for an HIA after his collision with Kolisi....
The relationship with the referee is something South Africans could write a book about. Not agreeing with the referee is an integral part of the game....
Yeah I agree and the Boks have had a fair share of negative moments with referees in past years and have learnt from it in that they have to give the referees full respect no matter how bad the decisions are
The mentality id hope is to win the game despite the referee
SA played Wales a few weeks back. So Loftus was game 2.
I have never given out about refs before, they have an immensely hard job. Luke said we need to try to get what the ref is thinking, well I have to say personally I think he was thinking, “I don’t want to upset this home crowd”.
Damn Luke what else do you "think"? 😂😂
I think Pearce looked a bit flustered. He did come in kind of last minute, maybe he was under prepared for the occasion. An intense game, at altitude, with a full loftus stadium... not easy
Not easy. And I would put more blame on the TMO for overstepping his mark. His job is to only get involved when something is clear and obvious. There was so much ambiguity around that kelleher counter ruck that he had no business calling that try back to begin with. I think Luke Pearce’s blunder was probably on the “no try” “try” decision. I saw one match in the 6nations where it was handled correctly where there was no on field decision and the ref merely wanted to check a grounding. Which was shown and the correct decision was made. I think if a ref needs to refer a try decision to the TMO. They shouldn’t be making a decision either way at all and check what they need to
@ItsBellers ja I think the "try no try" tmo question is often better than making an on field decision. I don't even know if Pearce asked the TMO for any clarity, I can't remember clearly but I thought Whitehouse got involved without a request from Pearce
I do rate Pierce but can see now why he didn’t get a semi final at the World Cup. I thought he got robbed but now I think he needs more time but he is good and could become one of the best given his age.
As for try/no try call, Pierce was pretty confident it wasn’t grounded and people for YEARS have been calling for on-field decisions rather than the old try/no try protocol. I vehemently opposed the change and I predicted people would just shift their moaning to whatever on field call was made, and I was 100% right lol. Poor refs just can’t win. Murray scored less than a minute later so that decision was relatively inconsequential anyway.
Don’t think TMO should have intervened for the Kelleher call but can see why he did. Although there were shenanigans in the ruck from both sides all game, this one did have a material impact where as most shenanigans don’t have much impact bar slowing the ball down a bit maybe. However once they go back, I think there was likely a penalty to Ireland first before Kelleher’s infringement so should have been try disallowed and penalty to Ireland.
Ireland is the only team I want to win the RWC one day other than the Springboks & AB. 🇿🇦😉
Stop pulling your own players down it does not happe to help ireland remember the referee and bad calls against ox prudish give credid to irish
According of what I understand Ireland have been working longer with referees in consultation, and specifically with Andrew Brace and Frank Murphy. Both of these, still actively referee international games, so personally I find that a conflict of interest, and without stating the obvious.
Peyper only joined the Springboks after he retired.
The other problem I have with what happens online, is that if this was South African pundits or videos, Rassie would have been blamed on having a secret account posting videos.
And stop saying "Stop blaming the referee", and then in the next sentence continue to go on about the referee. Refereeing is difficult enough, without all the people shouting about things that they should have seen.
Let's get a scrum specialist referee and see how that also helps the referee.
What you have pin-pointed is that we as South Africa have had a very bad relationship with referees before and had to adjust an learn how to handle this. Peyper only joined recently, so think Rassie had more to do with that, as he has made a complete 180 on how he handles this now.
At least it gives the rest of us (the keyboard warriors), something to talk about ;-) although played rugby for more than 20 years.
Let's just hope we can have a good game this weekend in Durban, and that we do not have that much talk about what-ifs and referees.
Luke having a go at Bundee again who was a marked man after cutting SA apart in rwc !!! Not Leinsters fault 80% of the team ?
Ryan in for McCarty, he's not a good lock. Might be a back row or something, not good at the ruck game.
Ecellent
So if the referee does something wrong or ignores something , say nothing let it go and although it will cost you at least you’ll get on with the ref. Kolisi was in the refs ear all afternoon and the ref said nothing to him but hey thats ok. Crap just as the referee was.
Loving the Irish tears about refs😂😂😂cry cry more please I love this shit
Kolisi didn’t need to be in the refs ear because SA were dominating most of that game but not creating scoreboard pressure due to the missed kicks from Pollard
AWJ did the exact same thing that Dorris did in the Lions tour when they were struggling to keep up with the Boks in 21. Dorris just got called out for it and now Pearce is being labelled as disrespectful 😂😂😂😂
Just say you didn’t watch the game😂😂😂😂
@@user-rn9co7jc4t look at the stats clown from tackles meters made possession tries scored etc you’ll find that although you are looking through your jaundiced glasses that the stats show a very even game and considering you had home advantage Ireland had two disallowed tries considered now by Nigel ownes world rugby to be wrong decisions you’re not nearly the power house you think you are yet. But one thing you are number 1 at and that is disrespecting your opponents…
@@jpfowlds5921 we’re nearly as good as the Saffas at it now…
@@davidwalker2402 nah mate you're the kings of being whiners to refs. Irish fans are sad that Sexton retired but the refs camp apparently had a big party after they heard the news.
Wherea Hanson
Oh hear we go...We were all called babies when we complain about the ref in the pool stage of the world cup and test in Ireland in 2022, Rassie even got banned AGAIN.
Love it, if Rassie was the Irish coach after that match it would of been a worldy of an interview! That said SA were the better team, it doesn't necessarily follow that they win because of that though, it could of gone either way. Hopefully it's a helluva a rematch. Fitz saying Bundee was a silly pen, to be fair the ball was out and then brought back in, so it was a good turnover
False equivalence. I don't think pearse was bias, he was just really bad and unfortunately the luck of that fella one way last weekend.
Rassie on the other hand was deceitful in his video and said the ref was bias against South Africa and this resulted in death threats against a ref and his family as well as a whole new generation of SA fans that were kids then but older now who have a toxic, football like attitude.
If you actually listened to the podcast they're most critical of Irish players, even the damn thumbnail says "Dorris must do better" he handled the ref poorly. That's not how SA reacted
No one will tell you that refs don't make mistakes and sometimes you don't get the rub of the green. Only SA have ever gone as far as to say there's bias and conspiracy. Conflating the two is either really insincere or the distinction was lost on you.
@@jeffrey89095 Can't really blame us for feeling that there's a conspiracy after the 'let's get the japies' email that was sent from one ref to another....that ref's son, Bryce Lawrence then went on to ref the most controversial game at a world cup that resulted in SA losing in a semi final against Australia.
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@jeffrey89095 Think the percentage of "Toxic" irish fans would be pretty similar to Bok fans tbh (Any fanbase really). It just feels like there's more because the amount or SA rugby fans is an order of magnitude larger than the Irish Fanbase. Seen plenty of toxic and whiny irish fans. But I know they are the minority. SA is the same. Ignore the loud minority.
1 hour podcast 15 minutes ridiculing Ireland about hurting referees feelings and 45 minutes about how good SA are and this is an Irish podcast😂
Which is why there are so many positive comments from saffers here compared to every other Irish podcast 😄
To be fair to Doris, Pierce was awful only surpassed by the tmo
Irish be more tougher u are great strong dont stabd dirty play
Lineout terrible ref does notting
Referees were already showing intolerance with Irish teams in the URC. Too much back chat and a sense of entitlement, perhaps due to their success over recent years.
Pearse was biast
Dont blame irish u seem to have habit of insulting we dont think thats nice irish won but robbed
If the referee did to South Africa what he did to Ireland i can only imagine what Rassie and his media machine would be up to. Ireland created 5 tries against 1 for the Boks
Imagine the amount of death threats they'd have gotten...
Horseshite
Peace and tmo were a disgrace.
So bias towards the boks
Not boks fault but so ckearly obvious
Why do you think they would favor the boks then?
The Saffas don't like to be criticised. They can't take it.
Yeah you right but I mean imagine a world where A back to back world champions of any sport warrant criticism???
@user-rn9co7jc4t you keep banging on about your back to back World Cups, so how come it took you so long to beat us. A small country where rugby is a minority sport.
@@HenryBaggins-rz7mq ok on the flip side how come it’s taken you guys so long to win a World Cup let alone get past a QF even when you’ve been beating the Boks a lot
And plus this bragging about beating the Boks in Europe mostly when Ireland only play in SA every 8 years, I mean cmon
@user-rn9co7jc4t let's see on Saturday. The lads will come out fighting. Beware the Irish with our backs to the wall.
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jeez Luke, the match officials were bloody awful.......having to wheel out Peyper to defend them says a lot...
😂dude peyper was there to teach all you cry babies why the ref made calls like that .😂grow up your team was always chasing that game the same like chasing that Semi 😂
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@@mamoersebaas2654 don't know why you're so defensive & insecure....SA has a million rugby players, Ireland has 150,000, you should be beating them every time.....SA deserved to win the game, but should have lost had the match officials been competent.....
he who pays the Peyper, calls the tune.....
The reality is that Ireland is still very much a 2nd tier team..the best of the 2nd tier with some tough, strong players. They have shown potential to beat the top tier teams during a weaker phase of their team building..but it is still the exception rather than the rule. The Boks will win again this weekend..just the margin should be up for debate.
Ye no, you don't match the all time win streak record inclusive of an away tour to NZ and a world cup game against SA being second tier.
The reality is that going into the RWC there was 4 clear top teams in SA, NZ, France and Ireland.
Looking at those games Ireland beat SA narrowly, France beat New Zealand, NZ beat Ireland narrowly then SA beat NZ narrowly.
If that last turnover against France went the other way you couldn't really complain but suddenly this book team would be QFs and the whole story changes. There was four great teams at the tournament all incredibly close to eachother. SA though I think had the most depth and I think that's why they won. They had the best rotation of players whereas Ireland couldn't do that and NZ and France less so.
As for this weekend I was buzzing for it but unfortunately looks like Ireland now have a load of injuries on top of the absentees they already had. Frustrating, obviously you'd like depth but the sports just too small here. Expecting us to get slapped around now but hopefully a young player or two gets a chance to show something
Ireland is not a tier two team.
If the second ranked team in the world is now considered to be tier 2 then I shudder to think what NZ, France and England are 😅
This is a ridiculous take. They are not a 2nd tier team. I'm not even Irish and this comment irritated me.
The biggest issue Ireland have in comparison to teams like England, NZ and SA is depth and available player pool in general (being such a small population). But ireland has a great rugby system from school boy rugby all the way up to their international team. I find it hard to imagine them dropping down out of the top 5 teams any time soon. Their rugby has just come really far in the last decade. Show some respect for that at the very least.
They must be the most copied 2nd tier team in Rugby history if thats the case
Osborne had a great game at 15..one of the best performances of the day. Great potential!!! Build him up now, an awesome future lies ahead for him. Leave him out at ur own peril.
Good luck on Saturday Ireland from us Saffa's, really hope it's a great game. I would have preferred a three match series to be honest.