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Disney: We have to keep extending the copyright laws so Mickey Mouse doesn't go into the Public Domain! Disney: Let's make another movie based off of someone else's fairy tale and not pay any royalties to their families!
+Wastelander1972 I don't know what's sadder; that Maria Barsi was so close to leaving Jozsef, or that she didn't even think of filing a restraining order against him the night of her and Judith's murder.
As of September 2020, Bluth is now starting up a new animation company which will focus on 2D animated films. Update: As of 2024, I haven't heard any further news on Bluth's new company. Still hoping for the best though.
I REALLY hope it works out better than before. He has no competition in 2D animation anymore and I'm certain there's a market for it. I know I'm super, super over 3D animated films. The animation lacks warmth for me.
it's practically an inside joke at this point. Unless you were born in the early 80s, played both games, or a Don Bluth fan, it would fly over many people's heads.
yeah, Tim Curry is a master of villains, hell he was in another bluth film as a villain in Ferngully the last rainforest that even has THE Robin Williams in there! Kinda makes you wonder how they both react when meeting the greatest stars
Mad-Hatter-ison Witkowksi Ferngully is not Don Bluth, but Tim Curry did appear in “Bartok the Magnificent” as a giant talking head giving skeletal based joke riddles.
@@robbiewalker2831 Thought it was.... But I remember Bartok very well, it was one of the sequels that made you question if it really was since the only returning character was Bartok. I will say and admit, it was one of the cutest Bluth film out of the others. One of my childhood gems next to the former film too.
farawaygamer hate to say this to you. But Anime is right where it needs to be. Keeping 2D Animation alive and well, along with Mature! DragonBall Super: Broly was a worldwide phenomenon for a reason!
Fuq the Little Mermaid. I mean yes, well executed AF, and turning the whole Disney Renaissance with their musical films into becoming a powerhouse (thanks Jodi Benson, who Don luckily got to afterwards), but the it's an unoriginal script and at no point a true depiction of the beautiful H C Christian Andersen story.
But man did they just destroy that series. Terrible sequels, some horrible TV version and I'm sure other things that would make me physically ill. It's par for the course though considering what happened to both fievel and secret of nymn.
I want Dirk the Daring from Dragon's Lair in Super Smash Bros Ultimate and before you say anything, Dragon's Lair is a video game. So Dirk can qualify in the game.
After that Indiegogo I'd sure hope so. It wasn't enough to make a movie, obviously... but it was still people's money. I hope the pitch was really picked up. I lost track of what happened since
Honestly I really wish I had gotten to see Ice Age in Don Bluth's traditonal animation style, or at least a 3D animation version of it. Imagine the incredible expressions and proportions he could have given the characters, especially Sid who already looks a bit like a Don Bluth character.
Grim funny enough when he wanted to not be credited as a director so badly for pebble and the penguin he realized, he was screwed, the company was named after him. Gary Goldman laughed at his face and was spared
Technically its started out as Disney Brothers but Roy wanted to be behind the scenes (basically a Jobs and Watts situation) so they renamed it Walt Disney but know we mostly refer to it as Disney so it has the whole family
I studied animation at a school Don Bluth donated a lot of his production materials to and we were taught in our history class that Bluth and Spielberg did split up over workflow differences! Apparently Spielberg wasn't familiar with the animation pipeline and asked for lots of edits after animation was already finished and colored, which is something most animation studios would take care of in the storyboarding or rough animation stages at the very latest. It cost a lot of money and made films he worked on extra expensive to produce because of how many shots had to be almost completely redone.
I also suspect that there were creative Differences too-I suspect that Bluth wanted a more PG Land Before Time and Spielberg wanted something more kid friendly
@Gaby George You’re right. _Land Before Time_ got horribly edited because Spielberg (and George Lucas) put their 2 cents in and insisted on having a children’s psychology group evaluate the film causing somewhere around 11 minutes cut and added that old dinosaur narrating to “soften the blow.”
when Spielberg asked Don Bluth to work on a sequel of an american tail, Bluth asked for a bigger budget ( 11 millions $ instead of 8 for the first movie ). Spielberg didn't want to put this budget on table and decided to raise his own studio. ( finally, Fievel 2 needed 22 m$ and wasn't as successful as the first movie was )
MichaelAarons1701 I hate to admit it, but Lucas and Spielberg made the better call. Yes, seeing those lost minutes of Land Before Time would’ve been great, but I’m saying that as an ADULT. As a kid, I was scared shitless of LBT
According to me, Spielberg would have been more inspired to continue his collaboration with Don Bluth instead of raising his own studio because We're back ! a dinosaure story, Balto and Fievel 2 were not very good. later on, when Amblinmation became Dreamwork, the only really good films were Prince of egypt and in a certain way Road to eldorado. Spirit and Sinbad had no strong good scripts. With Don Bluth, sure Spieberg would have produce better movies and they could even be as good as those from Disney renaissance.
The change in tone was actually brought on by executive meddling. Bluth wanted to add darker elements to rock-a-doodle, but executives wouldn't let him because they wanted it to appeal more to kids.
The Land Before Time was such a big part of my childhood, I remember having a VHS and just watching it at least once a week. It really sparked my love for dinosaurs as a child.
@@Jennie-qy5ps I'd still watch them too if I had them my VCR broke, and my youngest sibling pulled out some of the tape in them if I ever see the full collection on DVD, I'll probably get it
@@grimmoflunalis1440 Wal*Mart has had the 14-film collection for awhile now, I think it's like $30 or $40. I think Target had it too, but I'm not sure.
The failure of "The Black Cauldron" was Disney's real wakeup call. The fact is, Disney was headed for trouble even before Don Bluth started his own company; not only were the Disney creations becoming less ambitious, but they also settled for either copying Mary Poppins elements countless times, or they simply did a Dark Ages entry, assuming that these two elements alone would always sell the product. Many people joining Don Bluth already knew Disney's approach at the time wasn't going to work forever, and that was all the more reason for them to jump onboard elsewhere for something that strove to do more.
this was literally just a list of every movie i loved as a kid. always thought they were just the best disney movies. i think his downfall was not getting enough exposure.
James Bowen I actually helped induce child birth with the movie "A Troll in Central Park" I laid the woman in a chair placed the remote at her feet told her "Im gonna turn on A Troll in Central Park, if the baby isn't completely brain dead it'll come rushing out to turn off the tv then I'll grab it by the hand and yank it out"
@@ianfortuna9385 Second comment I found of yours in this thread. Once again, rude and insolent like a little child. I guess Don Bluth hurt your feelings once?
Considering that those Bolshevik fucktards slaughtered millions, including children, drove their own country to the brink of ruin along with half the region, went about invading other nations and starting proxy wars and (along with the Americans) almost started a nuclear holocaust a bunch of times... yeah.
10:20 I had "All dogs go to heaven" on a VHS 😁 I also had "The pebble and the penguin", "Thumbalina", "The land before time", "The sword in the stone", "Anastasia" and "Bartok". I kinda miss watching movies like that.
I love that movie too! It's so sentimental to me because I was so weird and cute and sometimes even creepy when I was little. Some people say the story is weird, I mean, yeah, it's a bunch of dogs gambling and one is killed and goes to heaven and cheats death and takes care of an orphan girl and befriends a super gay dummy thicc alligator but it's just fun and I love it. SUCK IT DISNEY
GojiraTX So do I. Titan A.E. is actually pretty interesting and amazing. But I hate how "unsuccessful" movies like this get thrown under by most people just because they weren't financially successful. Which, goes to show that not all movies that don't make money are bad.
17:40 In a way, that's practically what happened, as Land Before Time received many cuts BECAUSE Spielberg and Lucas deemed some scenes too distressing or frightening. And that probably rubbed Bluth the wrong way.
"Bad" Don Bluth movies are still impressive from a technical standpoint, and I've never seen one I genuinely didn't like. In fact, I grew up loving Rock-A-Doodle. The story was flawed, but the voice talent involved was excellent, the music was catchy and I still get laughs from the Duke's nephew.
Me too! It was definitely one of my absolute favorites when I was a kid. Some of those scenes like the storm were just the right amount of scary for little me! I was surprised to learn as an adult that it was considered a failure! That vhs ran through my vcr enough times to make up for the failure elsewhere in my mind!
Yeah, because Spielbergs further animated Movies performed so much better. Don Bluth even managed to make 5 more movies, while Spielberg was only able to make 3 before his Animation Company went bankrupt and at least Bluth had a comeback hit, so no, he shouldnt have stayed with Spielberg actually.
I think the reason Don Bluth didn't "stayed" with Steven Spielberg and why Spielberg was not involved in the later Don Bluth films, was due to the fact that Spielberg and his company Amblin had more control and put guidelines during the production of An American Tail and The Land Before Time. In fact, it was the latter film that caused Don Bluth to cut ties with Spielberg because Spielberg and George Lucas had to remove 10-15 minutes of the film (hence the 69 minute runtime) because they were deemed frightening to small children.
@@nanotek1416 I think the reason Don Bluth didn't want to be involved with Steven Spielberg in his later movies, was due to the fact that Spielberg and his company Amblin had more control in his previous films, An American Tail and The Land Before Time which Bluth found disagreeable. In fact, it was the latter film that caused Don Bluth to not be involved with Steven Spielberg afterwards because Spielberg and George Lucas had to remove 10-15 minutes of The Land Before Time (hence the 69 minute runtime) because they were deemed frightening to small children.
I don’t think anyone ever claimed “Anastasia” was supposed to be historically accurate. Hell, the movie doesn’t even get the freaking *dates* right. It’s some historical facts blended with rumor and fairy tale elements. And it totally rocks. I will fight anyone on this.
Curiously, very few people who shit on Anastasia and call it one of Bluth's at best mediocre entries (compared to that inconsistent, drab and dull shitfest that All Dogs was, while also boasting probably the worst score in the history of mainstream animation?) provide any reasons beyond the historical inaccuracies. Okay, so Anastasia does not follow facts-what's next? It still has great songs, interesting characters, superb animation and probably the best written romance I've seen in a cartoon. And it has so many scenes that just get me every single time: Anya reuniting with the Empress, Dmitry realizing she's the princess, him refusing the money for her retrieval... True, Rasputin is a lame villain and overall the whole magic subplot seems out of place and forced just to create some kind of legitimate threat-tellingly, the biggest change in the Broadway adaptation was ditching Rasputin altogether in favor of a Cheka agent. But aside from that Anastasia has every right to be included among Bluth's greatest works to date.
@@yarpen26 I've never liked Anastasia, even though I enjoy watching the musical numbers. They're some of the best. But it's entirely because of the of the out of place villain. He had some cool visuals and a nice song, so it's even more annoying that he fits into the plot so poorly and has no character depth and his sidekick ruins the dark atmosphere at every opportunity. I think of it as Bluth's worst good movie. I can actually sit through it, unlike All Dogs, which always loses my interest halfway through, and his bad movies which are completely unwatchable. It just drives me so crazy that it had the potential to be a completely awesome movie, but screwed up by including the lame villain, who himself showed potential to be genuinely cool and scary if he had been developed better and put in a different film! It ruins the movie for me. It's like I'm being majorly let down every time I watch it, getting glimpses of what could have been, then being denied when medieval monk-robe and his bat appear on screen. It also annoys me that Anastasia's hairstyles make no sense. Is her hair short or long? Elsa's hair bugs the crap out of me too. No me gusta illogical hairstyle changes.
@@FrogsForBreakfast Ironically, Rasputin and Bartok seem to more or less resemble Jafar and Yago's personalities in the first drafts of Aladdin, where Jafar was supposed to be this yelling and always complaining , semi-pathetic asshole while Yago went out of his way trying to calm him down. Good thing it didn't end up this way in the final movie.
Yeah I recall Russia not giving a flip. My general rule of thumb is if the ethnicity/race of origin doesn't care, it's not actually offensive. It's what separates this from something like Pocahontas.
yarpen26 - I didn’t find Rasputin that bad, I think the weird humor of his body rotting saved him as a villain. But I definitely see where you’re coming from, I find the villain from Disney’s The Princess and the Frog annoying and think the movie would be better off without him.
Just because a movie flops, doesn't make it bad. I love Titan A.E too. Another criminally underrated animated film is "The Fearless Four" (1997) it deserves more awareness than it has.
Look at critic reviews for it my personal favorite is A STAR WAR'S RIPP OFF someone got paid to write that VERY INACCURATE single sentence as a full review it got destroyed by critics almost as if they were bribed to say it's awful but oddly enough every user review praised the movie I've seen this before my advice don't trust critics multiple user reviews normally gives a good idea of what your gunna get those professionals know nothing more than you and me
Titan AE has some incredible visuals, amazing soundtrack, interesting characters, but a weak story overall. I certainly don't feel it got a fair shake from critics and I'm kinda surprised it hasn't gained more of a cult following.
Don Bluth inspired so many independent artists and studios to dream big and work hard for their chance to shine (SPA studios is a modern successor I can think of). Disney isn't even doing much 2D anymore, if any. My favorite films were actually the ones the company never talks about, like Atlantis or Treasure Planet, which were so out there and imaginative and funny. Either way, it shouldn't have a monopoly on movie magic. It shouldn't be a black hole swallowing up any competition. I remember in my childhood, even though Disney movies were of course great to watch, DreamWorks (back when they did 2D) and Don Bluth movies were just as special if not more sometimes. I was really spoiled for choice, and that wouldn't have been as amazing if Disney was the only one that had been allowed to exist.
I agree, when I was a kid in the 90s, my favorite animated movies were "The Lion King" and "The Land Before Time", As time passed in the late 90s and early 2000s it was a diverse market where there were animated films to choose from, it wasn't just Disney and I started to get to know Aardman and Studios Ghibli, which were also important films for me. Disney's magic ended because of its monopoly 😢
All Dogs Go to Heaven one and two (along with a lot of animal-based films like Balto and Cats Don't Dance) are one of the major reasons I got into drawing when I was younger. I'll never forget them
Don Bluth had more of an impact on my early childhood than Disney. Secret of Nimh is one of my favorites of all time. And I loved Titan AE. It actually feels like a prequel to Firefly concept-wise
both Titan and Firefly would have really taken off if only people had known about it and could see it. Titan, (like Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow), being just nobody watched it and Firefly for inconsistencies with times shown and the channel it was shown on cause the channels all had their roster and could not really fit firefly in well.
I wouldn't go that far to prove a point, they both had a very strong impact on my childhood. I mean I have good memories growing up watching Don's movies and I have great ones with disney even. When ur a kid it's not about the numbers or sales or who the movies are made by, we just loved watching them because it made us happy to..we didnt care about wat was better or more enjoyable to watch is wat I mean. When your a child we get something from the cartoons we watch that adults just dont get. Again their about competing against each other and I think they both did a good job and yes I will say now as an adult obviously nothing can beat disney, that'll never happen and that's ok because don comes next and that's a good thing 🙂💯. Don's movies are just as good, a cartoon is a cartoon kids love watching them because of the story 😁👍🏼....our imagination does the rest ❤😊.
It’s been 15 years or so since I first saw Rock A Doodle and it and Thumbelina are still two of my fondest childhood movies. They aren’t perfect but I rewatch them quite frequently. They bring back wonderful memories!!
@@zerotodona1495 Hollow shell maybe, but I still think he's genuinely funny. I'm not always gonna yern for "the old days" cause it makes me less open to the new days imo. But I get where you're coming from. I watch their live stuff like 10-minute power hour as opposed to regular GG cause I find it more interesting and entertaining.
Saber it's funny that you mention Don needed a good business manager because I'm a computer animation/game development major, and we NEVER prioritized business in ANY way, shape, or form. We prioritized animation and technique....but we never learned HOW to PROPERLY get into the industry....let alone how to properly START our own business. Don Bluth is a symbol of the shit show that goes down in animation business. You'd be surprised at how many people in the animation industry have a lack of business common sense......
Wholeheartedly agree! Artists learn HOW to create, but not quite WHAT to do with the creation. Maybe this is why everyone says you can't do shit with an art degree....
More art schools _definitely_ need to teach the business side of the graphic art industry. I went to Ringling for illustration back in 2003-2007 and it was an anomaly that they actually required a business of illustration class for all the seniors that taught us about branding for ourselves, marketing, job hunting, interviews, leave-behind books, clamshell portfolios, agents, taxes, contracts, and pricing. It's ridiculously important and not many schools cover it! And as an aside, that class produced one of my favorite quotes from the two profs who jointly taught the class: "We're here to tell all of you how _we_ got fucked over so you can avoid them and find _new_ ways to get fucked over. Because all of you _will_ get fucked over at least once in your careers."
@@TheGoldenDunsparce Honestly a lot of people who say that don't actually know what all you can do with one, because it's a _lot._ The graphic art industry is really diverse in what all you can do and just how many different companies and sub industries you can work within. Basically anyplace that needs imagery for any reason at all, all the way down to the CIA. (One of the illustration grads a few years ahead of me at Ringling was hired by the CIA to illustrate their training manuals.)
Makes me wish that there was a way to add some art business classes as a part of attaining an AA or certificate in college. I've been in (and I'm still in) some classes for making art and I've heard of classes for businesses, but I've never heard of a class that combines them together...🤨🧐🤔
See while i’m not in the industry, that is a MASSIVE industry hole. Because honestly, there are some top tier artist who wind up staying amateur because they don’t have the where with-all to angle themselves in the industry. Hell, I know just plain artist that would benefit from that. So yea, either find a business assistant or someone who knows a lot about managing funds so you don’t over do it. Although, I gotta say, there isn’t much by means of training for us either (historian here).
the old guard made an amazing prequel to The Dark Crystal, so I'm inclined to agree. By now there are tons of people around who want to make the absolute best Don Bluth style movie possible.
In my opinion, enough time has passed that Classics such and Don Bluth's style and the stop motion that brought us Nightmare Before Christmas need to come back and remind us that they are still here. Despite what some companies think, there is a definite market that is larger than perceived for these types of products. Bluth...we miss you.
as an artist myself, I can testify that, sometimes having someone to hold you back and prevent you from spending tons and tons of time and money on projects, is very much needed in most cases, when you let a creative person take the lead, well, let's just say we have a tendency to shoot for the stars, while forgetting to keep a ladder under our feet.
Don Bluth basically needed a Roy Disney. Walt was very involved and wanted a great deal of control of his projects, took a lot of big risks and ran out of money A LOT in his early days (several of his early studios went bankrupt as well), but his brother Roy was always ALWAYS there to figure out the financial situation. I think most successful creative minds, like Walt, had a Roy behind them as well: a trusted person in charge of finances who earnestly wants to see the "Ideas guy's" ideas succeed, but is there to tell them what is and isn't feasible (and they'll listen, since they trust each other). A Roy would have told Don it made more sense to NOT release on the same day. Edit: Oh, and even Walt had many trusted animators on his team that basically led the way after his death. There's was definitely a bit of a struggle right after his death, since he was such a large influence on the company obviously, but an entire generation of Disney films were made without him (by the same animators who worked with him) and the "9 Old Men" essentially raised a generation of animators who eventually worked on the Renaissance films.
A money guy might have helped, but in Bluth's case he also needed someone to help with the narrative. His animation was beautiful, but as time went on the scripts for his film became worse and worse. Including the Fox films... I find both Anastasia & Titan very unwatchable and it has nothing to do with the animation quality.
Roy could often be to conservative though. He initially protested adding color to the cartoons, the idea of an animated feature film, and Disneyland. He probably did keep Disney from going totally bankrupt though.
@@58jharris Yeah, it was definitely a balance. Roy protested to some things but in the end they had a balance where Roy would help Walt out even with his "bad" ideas (like feature animated films, that will never work! *cough*), but Walt wouldn't go completely off the rails. I don't know for sure, but they probably had many many discussions and arguments, but in the end they were great partners.
It is a flawed movie though, most of the characters are useless, the pacing is bad with way to much happening at the very end, the traitors feel shoehorned and the 3D makes the film feel very dated Easily a 6/10 but they needed an 11 to survive
i'd say Titan A.E. is like Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow. 2 really good movies that just got swept under the rug and never had a chance to really shine. though id say sky captain beats titan as better movie.
Ironic being that _The Great Mouse Detective_ is allegedly the film that saved Disney from bankruptcy. I'd love to see him do an adaptation of one of the _Redwall_ books or a Mouseguard module.
"What ruined Don Bluth?" Don Bluth. The guy was a counter puncher when his strengths lay elsewhere. Had the man A. Not directly went after Disney, and B. Took on smaller projects to help fund bigger projects, he would still be doing movies. If he did Ice Age, Fox Animation Studios could have easily gone another 10 years.
Disney animation is like the finely constructed model airplane in the display case. Don Bluth animation is the toy airplane you actually get to play with.
Don Bluth is one of the best animators in the world. I think the industry and the rise of CG animated films ruined him. But at least we still have the upcoming Dragon's Lair movie.
I saw his last film in cinema, Titan AE, and to be honest I loved it, for me is one of my favorites of him. I really am a nostalgic guy, and every time I remember Don Bluth and his films brings me a tear or two. For me and for the rest of the people that saw the magic of is animation, holds a special place in our hearts.
6:28 The main characters for East of the Sun and West of the Moon kinda look like Taran and Eilonwy from Disney's The Black Cauldron Coincidence? I THINK NOT
I was thinking the exact same thing. I honestly thought saber was showing a still from the black cauldron and was about to say that it had beat don's movie for that year.
Diana Setterby I loved Land before time but American Tale I just wanted feed Fievel to the cats. In fact he's the reason I feed live mice and rats to cats
I wish Universal could go back making more mature animated films like An American Tail, The Land Before Time, and Balto. Not that I hate Illumination, though.
Annie I kinda wish Illumination Entertainment could evolve from their current status, I can see potential in the company and I hope that the animated adaptation of Super Mario Bros. could expand on their exploration of genres. And if some are worried about that film well Shigeru Miyamoto is in charge with the project and that Illumination themselves are up to the challenge. And yeah I wish Universal did darker animated films like back in the day.
Annie well, there’s plans for a Jurassic World animated series. But it’s being made by Dreamworks and is being made for kids. Also, 3D Animation. Personally, I was hoping for a 2D, PG-13 show with a look and tone similar to “Attack On Titan”, and with a metric Fuckton of dinosaur species (potential list here docs.google.com/document/d/1K1g6Ru036qgK7fft5eB92yN0QRyaD_XRewW9G2qQd9o)!
My little brother had just turned 7 when "Land Before Time" was released. He became obsessed with the movie. I really think it helped prepare him for two years later when our mom was suddenly diagnosed with cancer and died shortly thereafter.
I also liked Thumbelina as a kid, but that's because it was the only Don Bluth movie I actually owned. I got it from my grandparents. I never saw Pebble and the Penguin or Troll in Central Park, though.
My parents still own all 3 on VHS. I liked all 3 as a child. When I grew up and re wached them, WOW they were not all that great. Not god awful terrible, but not the best... Pebble and Penguin had Tim Curry voice the villain lol. Loved his voice. Troll in Central Park had Dom De Louis voicing the Troll. Loved his song, "Absolutely Green."? Thumbelina I thought was all right. Loved the main song, "Let me Be Your Wings." I can't remember my reasoning, but Thumbelina lacked something... still good in my eyes. :]
What ruined Don Bluth? Making generic and basic kids films, instead of his typical deep and amazing films. And then not making any movies for far too long
You expect him to make a movie after the disaster of Titan A.E? He isn't disney, he doesn't have millions of dollars to use on movies. Hell he hardly had any money back then. It baffles me on how people like you think movies are easy to create, especially animated movies.
And here I am with my favorite Don Bluth's Rock a Doodle: The songs are absolutely amazing and I always adored Chanticleer and Uncle Dukey American Tail: Lovely movie, gorgeous water effects Land Before time: So terrifying but so sweet and funny Titan: Coolest, damn space animation Thumbelina: Such a beautiful movie with sweet, sweet songs Anastasia: Gorgeous, absolutely gorgeous So a part of me is upset some of my favorites were considered such failures - but then again one of disneys failures is one of my favorites of theirs "Treasure Planet"
Spielberg and Don Bluth's relationship while making American Tail and Land Before Time was...rocky. There are countless interviews on it. American Tail had to be reworked every full moon or so, with scenes and characters getting shuffled around/deleted, and with Don Bluth not being exactly comfortable making a movie about a mouse that is explicitly jewish, for whatever reason, that would be later mass produced with toys and shit, as he was one of those that thought the movie alone should be the focus. Land Before Time literally started production before it had a script, Spielberg just said ''this is the story, now go do the movie lol, I'm busy.'' and Don had to stretch the simple premise of this ''search for the promised land but with dinosaurs'' to 80 minutes, of which Spielberg and George Lucas only came in to cut 20, Don was obviously NOT in charge of his own projects, and it's pretty safe to say those movies only did well because they had the name Spielberg somewhere on the poster. The only mistake Don did was assume that he should aim for younger kids and BABIES with his next movies, when the whole fucking point was that he was Disney except edgier and with more soul, he kinda tried rectifying it with pebble and the penguin but it just didn't come through, regardless, Thumbelina and Troll in Central Park were bought/distributed by Warner Bros. which like Cats Don't Dance and Iron Giant, didn't give a shit about theatrical release and just made their money on VHS sales. Anastasia was very much controlled by Fox, first it was developed as a screenplay and then given to Bluth to animate, who was used to doing animated movies the OLD way, with story departments and storyboards instead of scripts, the same thing happened with Titan AE except Fox already had that with millions blown on preproduction and threw that BOMB on Don Bluth's lap exclusively so they could find a reason to terminate their 2D animation division. The real reason why he stopped making movies has to do more with the economic situation of the 2000's, EVERYONE stopped making movies. I know Independent filmmakers that got absolutely FUCKED by the 2008 crisis, and to this day there has never been as many independent film distributors as it used to have in the 1980s, added with a complete centralization/monopoly of the industry to gravitate towards California, Don Bluth is simply that kid that's never going to be invited to the party.
This is so depressing actually, but extremely accurate. It is also interesting to point out that Anastasia was developed as a more historically accurate live action film first, without any Rasputin, and got deeply reworked after they decided to make it animated. And don was offered to make an animated my fair lady first (interesting since both Anastasia and mfl have some similar plot points) thing is while they manage to inject dons personality and style into it, it was always a sanitized studio product
I must have been around 4 or 5 when I was obsessed with the Secret of N.I.M.H. and would always rent it when I was taken to the video store (yep, that old). I was always so moved by the show of love and power of Mrs. Brisby and would cry and cry. I remember one viewing in particular when I was crying at the end and my dad, who is now passed, just held me and asked me why I was crying. I don't think I understood at that age myself why it made me so emotional.
And now we have "Let It Go" as the number one highest grossing animated film. Let's face it! As bad as Don's films went at least they were more Original and they had more imagination than Frozen!
I sometimes feel that animation as a whole has been entered another dark age with no end in sight. Most of the time CG just look uncanny and plastic-like and most mainstream stuff are kids stuff with a billion pop-culture references. It doesn't help that computing unlike with music didn't really made animation easy, at least if you want to do Don Bluth or Disney renaissance stuff, but on the other hand, the medium could be cheapened, if everybody could crank that visual quality in their basements...
"No one could touch DIsney" I mean I know what you mean, but Disney actually almost DIED about 60 billion times from between the 50s-80s. It wasn't until the Renaissance that they became as massive and unbeatable as they are now.
Yes it's unfortunate that disney no longer does 2D animation just because "it's not profitable" but they defently could with the kind of money they have.
I wonder why anime is doing well then? They need to maybe take a lesson from Japan about story telling and quality art because their's was starting to slip.
They clearly have the technology as we have seen a brief return of 2D animation in the Mary Poppins Returns movie, I demand Disney make a separate studio just for 2D animation.
@@redconvoy anime is doing well because its hand drawn has talented and passionate people working behind it and has good unquie and fresh stories suitible for a wide range of audiences not just kids Plus the art styles look better than the pure lazy unoriginal uninspiring modern tumblr cal artstyle we have now...
@@TheHipisterDeer yeah I know but apparently they hired the old disney animators to make that scene up I think most people who work at Disney now are out of touch and don't know how to make 2D as they are so used to working on constant cgi and computer animation. Plus disney cares more about buying out the competition pushing its agenda and politics down our throats instead of making anything good
Let me issue you a challenge if you're down to ruin your childhood, because whole a troll in central park wasn't good it wasn't that bad, rock a doodle was pretty damn bad. The idea of those films are good. The problem with rockadoodle doesn't fall under story, it's all the characters, songs, and pacing. The songs are frequent and, well I can't say any of them are really good enough to put on a playlist that even has yodel adle eedle adle oo on it. I'm not picky about my songs. When the movie is interrupting the songs (when patoo cuts in with an "I think we lost them") something is very wrong. The morale of the film was very confused. The kid didn't seem too hurt by being called a fraidy cat until that interesting inner turmoil scene at the end. There wasn't a lot to show for the fox boss trying to keep chanticleer from leaving in all honesty, no real manipulation, it was so quick at the end. We spent more time with patoo's shoes. Why? The bunions thing was a one time gag that doesn't come into play later at all. What can you say about peepers as a character? Or the magpie? Peepers has a lisp and the magpie never shuts up? That's not character. The hell made Goldie actually fall for chanticleer? It never says even in that stupid monologue. The songs sound like something a kindergarten teacher came up with for her class to sing to on the piano. The characters don't exist. The plot is bizarrely rushed with no time to breathe and too much thrown in with so little to tell. The morale is forced and underdeveloped. It's less about the rooster and more about the cat. This is unfortunately what education on how to create good characters and storytelling does to you. It messes up your perspective on things you once loved as a child and makes you sit back and go "huh. Maybe that wasn't actually that good at all." It happened with fox and the hound for me, my all time favorite as a child, one tape I had that was in perfect condition because I never rewound any of the scenes to watch nor skipped scenes. I went back and yeah bluth was kind of stubbornly right to remove his name from the movie. It's good but it's not great. There's just a lot of nothing going on, that's the problem with a troll in central park. There's a lot of nothing. I can forgive how stupid gnorga is. I can't forgive the dancing flowers, real crying toddler, how much of a brat Gus is, the morale, Rosie in general, and how off-putting Stanley is toward these kids. He's fine with Gus but creepy with Rosie. You don't apologise to a toddler about the place being a mess nor fly around the room when kissed by said toddler. That's just gross. I loved the idea of Gus thinking he's too grown up to dream and Stanley giving him the chance to dream. Hell the end I interpreted as Gus letting himself dream like a child and have hope. I do kinda like the songs in it but I don't find myself humming queen of mean at work. It was better than rockadoodle but not that much better. I could probably cut out a good chunk of a troll in central park to make it work better, like the dog chase, the flowers dancing, probably a little bit of welcome to my world, part of the fight between Stanley and Gus, there's something good in the movie about imagination that I just enjoy but the rest has to go.
@@spinningpeanut what the actual fuck? The original commenter and I like or love these movies. I dont care if you dont like them...but honestly you felt you needed to make a lengthy comment that has 3 paragraphs that no one is going to read...why? I dont care you dont like the songs or the characters. We do. Go do something productive with your life. Seriously.
@@spinningpeanut yea seriously. no ones gives a fuck about all that you typed. didnt even realize you had all that until i read little boo's comment. whether or not you or they liked it...its on you guys. I personally forgot all about the movie. but I'm sure it hold a special place in some folk's childhood
@@boomdos4265 now that's just mean. I'm giving you tools to understand why people wouldn't like the movie you do. People will say "I don't like a troll in central park" and when you ask why they just say "because" as they didn't actually watch it, loved it as a child, and then because some cartoon critic said so is the real reason. I get it, I do, I have a soft spot for the Rio movies and roadside Romeo. Yeah I like the movie saber trashed harshly. Does that mean I'm gonna tell him to shut the fuck up like you two did? Grow up.
@@Kakachi07 I think the reason I didn't like the troll in central park that much was because I had one of those big baby doll sized troll dolls, I wanted it sooo bad and got it for Christmas one year. One night I had a nightmare that it had this demonic face and glowing red eyes and I got rid of all my troll dolls and didn't want to have anything to do with trolls anymore lmao. But most all of Don Bluth's movies were my absolute favorite as a kid... all dogs go to heaven & the land before time... I wore out those 2 VHS tapes!!
This makes me a little sad. I remember this studio being just as much a part of my childhood as Disney movies. I didn't know the difference. To me, it was just magic. I'll definitely be purchasing these movies for my children some day.
@@rachael1090 Some parents don't like it but I think they're good. I watched those when I was 6 and 8 and still watch them as a 14 year old. Either way that comment is hilarious and I personally love it.
Don Bluth also suffered from not knowing what cats looked like. I love this man, Secret of Nihm is one of my favorite movies ever. But damn, his cats look so weird
This cannot be over-stated! As children, my brother and I asked to watch Titan A.E. to avoid seeing a bad movie with our parents (I don't remember what they went to see, just that they didn't like it), and were disappointed by how few of our friends or classmates even had it on their radar.
Been working on this video for quite some time now! It's one of the most interesting topics I've covered on the channel. Hope you all enjoy! Big thanks to Jim for helping me research and write this video, check out his channel in the description. He does his own reviews that are much better than mine :P
More Don!
2d animation, where did it go?
I did. I sure did. Nice research on this topic for the video. I've always wanted to know so much about the Bluth(no pun intended)
The Amazing Bulk
Saberspark Please Review Popee the performer That violent japanese 3D animated kids show
Disney: makes movies about following your dreams.
Don Bluth: Follows his dreams.
Disney: Wait,that's illegal
Disney: We have to keep extending the copyright laws so Mickey Mouse doesn't go into the Public Domain!
Disney: Let's make another movie based off of someone else's fairy tale and not pay any royalties to their families!
Disney: let's remake a movie and pretend the original doesn't exist and then belittle the original creator (who was a Disney fan) in the press.
Why though guys, WHY!!!!!
@@silkworm2595 You'll have to elaborate on that one.
@@crocodileman94 kimba
Hearing the little dinosaur say “yup yup yup” is bittersweet.
Poor kid... :(
Judith barsi?
@@roccimo Yeah. Poor girl.
That little girl's father was a monster, nothing more.
+Wastelander1972
I don't know what's sadder; that Maria Barsi was so close to leaving Jozsef, or that she didn't even think of filing a restraining order against him the night of her and Judith's murder.
Matthew Moran Sadly. Actor Michael Caine even offered to help them out, but for some reason Judith’s mother seemed hesitant out of fear.
If you ask me, Bluth forced Disney to step up their game.
Damn bro why you so negative
@@Justin-uc8sc if I may ask, why is that negative?
Totally. Disney was getting stale. They needed competition.
Guess the girls start fighting eh
They need that again
"All dogs go to heaven" is a huge nostalgic blast to me
Same!
Yo same tho. Those movies were awesome
Yeah mine to..
Disney: “Heh…not bad, Don-kun. You made me use 10% of my power.”
Is your picture the lead singer of Avatar?
Look at all those chickens No, it’s Demonaz from Immortal
More like "we actually have money, suck it don"
1 thousandth like
*10% of my money
As of September 2020, Bluth is now starting up a new animation company which will focus on 2D animated films.
Update: As of 2024, I haven't heard any further news on Bluth's new company. Still hoping for the best though.
I REALLY hope it works out better than before. He has no competition in 2D animation anymore and I'm certain there's a market for it. I know I'm super, super over 3D animated films. The animation lacks warmth for me.
why i think bluth will live being a dude who "is starting a new animation company"
REALLY???? Okay I'm so down for classic 2d style!
I hope it all works well, so tired of disney.
YEAH!
Yes I miss 2d
Still. He showed. Never laugh at a mans dreams. He punched back hard. Maybe not with a final win. But this man's dream was no push over.
I'd rather die fighting than live in humiliation.
@@BeeaReyoU. I agree hugely
Like Rocky. He didn't win the match, but he went the distance.
It goes to show you that sometimes no matter how hard you try you will always be a failure in life
@@Donnyvoon weak bait.
"Nowadays Disney has many rivals..."
Not really, they keep buying them up...
No not really tho. 🤔🤨😐.
You are wrong tho
Hoshino Otaku
What do you mean
The only rival they haven't bought would be WB/DC...... (Warner Brothers and DC)
Warner Bros. and their subsidiaries, Sony's BlueSky Animations, NBCUniversal and its subsidiaries like DreamWorks, etc.
Holy crap, that Don Bluth reference in Samurai Jack I never realized made me grin ear to ear.
I never understood, and now i'm so damn pleased.
it's practically an inside joke at this point. Unless you were born in the early 80s, played both games, or a Don Bluth fan, it would fly over many people's heads.
So you're telling me that wasn't an edit?
@@timerbunneh hell no, man. It's honest-to-goodness legit!
OH MY GOD!!! HOW DID I NOT KNOW THAT?!?!?
It’s not all bad he did give us Tim Curry as an evil penguin 🐧.
yeah, Tim Curry is a master of villains, hell he was in another bluth film as a villain in Ferngully the last rainforest that even has THE Robin Williams in there! Kinda makes you wonder how they both react when meeting the greatest stars
This penguin villain was a best part of a movie. He is kind of example of "so bad, so its good" rule. His absurdity makes him fun and charismatic
Mad-Hatter-ison Witkowksi Ferngully is not Don Bluth, but Tim Curry did appear in “Bartok the Magnificent” as a giant talking head giving skeletal based joke riddles.
tbh The Pebble & The Penguin is one of my biggest guilty pleasures ever
@@robbiewalker2831 Thought it was....
But I remember Bartok very well, it was one of the sequels that made you question if it really was since the only returning character was Bartok.
I will say and admit, it was one of the cutest Bluth film out of the others. One of my childhood gems next to the former film too.
To be fair though, even the bad movies are still visually interesting
Don't forget, some of the characters too :)
And certain voice actors.
Don may have made bad films, but it wasn't from a lack of effort and care, that's for sure.
A troll in Central Park was my favorite
True dat.
I find it so weird that Don Bluth never made sequels to his own movies. It was always another person and studio.
The land before time sequels: am I a joke to you?
Ever heard of land before time sequels?
@@xboy1064 I think he is referring to sequels directed by Don himself.
@@Vad3Retr0 o h sorry
@@justaguywhowatchesyoutube5588they weren’t directed by Don Bluth.
_It seems like the whole, overall animation world is trying to go to where maybe animation doesn't belong._
*~ Don Bluth*
Exactly
Like anime, ugh i hate anime
@@farawaygaming_ why?
farawaygamer hate to say this to you. But Anime is right where it needs to be.
Keeping 2D Animation alive and well, along with Mature!
DragonBall Super: Broly was a worldwide phenomenon for a reason!
What about Ghibli movies or something? :p
Don Bluth movies: * are doing well *
The little mermaid: I'm about it end this man's whole career
Splash
mlp movie magic I guess she doesn’t want to be part of his world.
I think Don Bluth's fall can be sum up with just one word "Hubris"
Fuq the Little Mermaid. I mean yes, well executed AF, and turning the whole Disney Renaissance with their musical films into becoming a powerhouse (thanks Jodi Benson, who Don luckily got to afterwards), but the it's an unoriginal script and at no point a true depiction of the beautiful H C Christian Andersen story.
Secret of NIMH was a special film for me. An American Tail was a fun adventure film. And The Land Before Time is a strange but fun franchise
DON'T YOU DARE SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT THE LAND BEFORE TIME!
Matt Vu
Realistic cgi is crap compared to cartoony stylization.
@@starguardlux2874 dont worry he only worked on the first one
The Land Before Time will always be my favourite, but the soundtrack is just so nostalgic to me that I get overly emotional when I hear it.
But man did they just destroy that series. Terrible sequels, some horrible TV version and I'm sure other things that would make me physically ill. It's par for the course though considering what happened to both fievel and secret of nymn.
Thumbelina and Anastasia were my favourite.
Dancing bears, painted wings, things I used to remember....
Rockadoddle was my childhood.
I watched it with my dad..
I miss those days..
Anastasia sucked
The last time I was this early, American 2d animation was still alive and well.
to me cgi is nothing special these days
I'm still waiting for 1D
I read this as the second ammendment and I was very confused
I miss 2D animation..
@@laurelalloro Watch TV. It's alive and well there.
Just reading the title killed me a little inside. I really miss his style in animation today.
The animation style of An American Tale was always one of my favorites.
same here
Don Bluth movies had style and that special flair well many of those old movies are probably just nostalgic
Doug Sahr why?
Doug Sahr his movies were crap
Who else here is hoping that Don's Dragon's lair movie becomes a thing ?
I want Dirk the Daring from Dragon's Lair in Super Smash Bros Ultimate and before you say anything, Dragon's Lair is a video game. So Dirk can qualify in the game.
I spent so much money on the Dragon's Lair arcade that Don should be rich. Never did beat it either. A movie would more than make up for that.
Me
After that Indiegogo I'd sure hope so. It wasn't enough to make a movie, obviously... but it was still people's money. I hope the pitch was really picked up. I lost track of what happened since
@@elmono6299
That would be cool
Honestly I really wish I had gotten to see Ice Age in Don Bluth's traditonal animation style, or at least a 3D animation version of it.
Imagine the incredible expressions and proportions he could have given the characters, especially Sid who already looks a bit like a Don Bluth character.
You comment a lot
Me: "Lol who names an animation company after themself, imagine if Walt Dis... oh"
Grim funny enough when he wanted to not be credited as a director so badly for pebble and the penguin he realized, he was screwed, the company was named after him. Gary Goldman laughed at his face and was spared
420th like bros
This made me laugh my ass off
Technically its started out as Disney Brothers but Roy wanted to be behind the scenes (basically a Jobs and Watts situation) so they renamed it Walt Disney but know we mostly refer to it as Disney so it has the whole family
Omygod
Even though it didn't last long, Don made those Disney artists eat their own words. He did succeed.
In a away don lit the fire under disneys butt that got them to be better. So yeah he won..even if not all his moves were "money makers"
Lol I only liked this to get it to 100 likes
Define succeed? How many studios did he go through?
And provided the competitive push needed for Disney to raise it's quality.
@@jimmyju76he’s got several hit movies, that’s pretty great
The land before time, An American tale and All dogs go to heaven were my favorite childhood movies.
Dogs was the first film I saw in theatre. I remembre being slightly irritated by the daylight afterwards.
Can’t keep a good dog Dow-wow-wow-wow-won!
Anastasia and DGTH will always be great classics in my eyes.
@@notgray88 Loved Anastasia also, the animation quality is just so good. Its like candy for the eyes!
Same.
"[...] his bad films! Pebble and the Penguin, Rock-a-doodle, and A Troll in Central Park."
But... I loved those movies. *sad noises*
I would argue Rock-a-doodle was better than LBT.
@@askadoctorifheresyisright4you U need help!!!!!!😠
IamCoalfoot U also need help!!!!!!
@@Draco-1400 Lol, loving your passion here
"The Land Before Time" God, I love that movie. One of the best.
Original > Sequels
Judith Barsi Ducky's voice actor was Murdered by her Father it breaks my heart to even watch this movie
I remember it being one of my favorites when I was growing up. I really need to go back and watch it again. It has been too long since I last saw it.
This is the only film that made me cry.
ashton houran yup, made me cry every time when I watched it as a kid
I studied animation at a school Don Bluth donated a lot of his production materials to and we were taught in our history class that Bluth and Spielberg did split up over workflow differences! Apparently Spielberg wasn't familiar with the animation pipeline and asked for lots of edits after animation was already finished and colored, which is something most animation studios would take care of in the storyboarding or rough animation stages at the very latest. It cost a lot of money and made films he worked on extra expensive to produce because of how many shots had to be almost completely redone.
I also suspect that there were creative Differences too-I suspect that Bluth wanted a more PG Land Before Time and Spielberg wanted something more kid friendly
@Gaby George You’re right. _Land Before Time_ got horribly edited because Spielberg (and George Lucas) put their 2 cents in and insisted on having a children’s psychology group evaluate the film causing somewhere around 11 minutes cut and added that old dinosaur narrating to “soften the blow.”
when Spielberg asked Don Bluth to work on a sequel of an american tail, Bluth asked for a bigger budget ( 11 millions $ instead of 8 for the first movie ). Spielberg didn't want to put this budget on table and decided to raise his own studio. ( finally, Fievel 2 needed 22 m$ and wasn't as successful as the first movie was )
MichaelAarons1701 I hate to admit it, but Lucas and Spielberg made the better call. Yes, seeing those lost minutes of Land Before Time would’ve been great, but I’m saying that as an ADULT. As a kid, I was scared shitless of LBT
According to me, Spielberg would have been more inspired to continue his collaboration with Don Bluth instead of raising his own studio because We're back ! a dinosaure story, Balto and Fievel 2 were not very good. later on, when Amblinmation became Dreamwork, the only really good films were Prince of egypt and in a certain way Road to eldorado. Spirit and Sinbad had no strong good scripts. With Don Bluth, sure Spieberg would have produce better movies and they could even be as good as those from Disney renaissance.
The change in tone was actually brought on by executive meddling. Bluth wanted to add darker elements to rock-a-doodle, but executives wouldn't let him because they wanted it to appeal more to kids.
He was even forced to cut a scene on which the owl villain cooks a skunk alive.
Now I'm worried about what's gonna happen if Don Bluth's Netflix suffers the same thing executive meddling.
@@elchanchopato9601 What would the Bluth Cut look like?
Wow
It's an old story:
1.Creative artist makes good stuff.
2. Corporate powers tell them to water it down to appeal to kids
3. It appeals to no one.
Don Bluth sounds like he would be bad at monopoly with all his studios that went bankrupt and all
So true! Bluth go back Disney. Oh well
He definitely wouldn't be able to pulls Disney and buy all his competition so he can force his company to stay above the water.
The Land Before Time was such a big part of my childhood, I remember having a VHS and just watching it at least once a week. It really sparked my love for dinosaurs as a child.
I had the whole series, and I had frequent marathons
those movies were the shit when I was a kid
Ive still got the Land before time collection on VHS at my grandma's house. Used to watch them alot from age 4-7.
@@Jennie-qy5ps I'd still watch them too if I had them
my VCR broke, and my youngest sibling pulled out some of the tape in them
if I ever see the full collection on DVD, I'll probably get it
@@grimmoflunalis1440 Wal*Mart has had the 14-film collection for awhile now, I think it's like $30 or $40. I think Target had it too, but I'm not sure.
@@Jennie-qy5ps I'll take a look, thanks
I would argue that Don Bluth motivated Disney to do better which made the Renaissance happen; Don Bluth should say, "You're welcome, Disney!"
true. particularly the failure of Oliver and Co. being beaten by An American Tail.
Nah. Disney should say, "Thank you, Don."
The failure of "The Black Cauldron" was Disney's real wakeup call. The fact is, Disney was headed for trouble even before Don Bluth started his own company; not only were the Disney creations becoming less ambitious, but they also settled for either copying Mary Poppins elements countless times, or they simply did a Dark Ages entry, assuming that these two elements alone would always sell the product. Many people joining Don Bluth already knew Disney's approach at the time wasn't going to work forever, and that was all the more reason for them to jump onboard elsewhere for something that strove to do more.
Disney needs another wake up call now.
he was robocop to disney's ed 209- lit a fire under their ass but this time ed was given better designed feet and maintained its assault.
this was literally just a list of every movie i loved as a kid. always thought they were just the best disney movies. i think his downfall was not getting enough exposure.
James Bowen I actually helped induce child birth with the movie "A Troll in Central Park" I laid the woman in a chair placed the remote at her feet told her "Im gonna turn on A Troll in Central Park, if the baby isn't completely brain dead it'll come rushing out to turn off the tv then I'll grab it by the hand and yank it out"
@@ianfortuna9385 Second comment I found of yours in this thread. Once again, rude and insolent like a little child. I guess Don Bluth hurt your feelings once?
K.L. Second comment? Lol you must be the troll from Central Park. Btw where are you from?
K.L. Where are you from?
@@ianfortuna9385 shut up
It took me 10 years to get that joke from Samurai Jack, thank you
I get that it's referencing the game, but I still need some help
@@rachael1090 one is successful, the other not so much
People that I know hate Anastasia cuz there like “it’s sooooooooooo inaccurate” but I mean, it’s good inaccurate
Considering that those Bolshevik fucktards slaughtered millions, including children, drove their own country to the brink of ruin along with half the region, went about invading other nations and starting proxy wars and (along with the Americans) almost started a nuclear holocaust a bunch of times... yeah.
Hey the movie does have a catchy villain song with Rasputin (voiced by Christopher Lyod but sung by Jim Cummings).
@@elmono6299 RA RA RASPUTIN LOVER OF THE RUSSIAN QUEEN
Yeah, it was an AMAZING movie but it just wasn't accurate
Who cares if it’s inaccurate? Movies like this and Disney’s always make me interested in the actual history/original story
It hit rock bottom, just like the time SpongeBob and Patrick got on the wrong bus
I *raspberry* couldn't agree *raspberry* more *raspberry*
ProfesserUniverse nice lol, the raspberry was on point haha.
Don Bluth is Spongebob and Steven Spielberg is Patrick.
@@tonymata8070 thanks 😆😆
I cant **pbfff** understand **pbfff** your accent **pbfff**
10:20 I had "All dogs go to heaven" on a VHS 😁
I also had "The pebble and the penguin", "Thumbalina", "The land before time", "The sword in the stone", "Anastasia" and "Bartok". I kinda miss watching movies like that.
Same! It sucks that movies are judged on how well the do in the box office.
Saberspark mentioned how All Dog Go To Heaven sold well on VHS. I had a copy of it as well and so many other people I know had it on VHS.
Kinda?
@@MrJavaman5 still have a copy.
Fun fact: I have the entire Land Before Time collection
All dogs go to heaven is one of my all time fav movies so i wish it beat Disney
I love that movie too! It's so sentimental to me because I was so weird and cute and sometimes even creepy when I was little. Some people say the story is weird, I mean, yeah, it's a bunch of dogs gambling and one is killed and goes to heaven and cheats death and takes care of an orphan girl and befriends a super gay dummy thicc alligator but it's just fun and I love it. SUCK IT DISNEY
Imagine Bluth doing so much better if he stopped directly competing with Disney.
@Henrystrikesback I know haha, I didnt wanna give a full summary fo the movie. Lel
It’s straight up Socialism propaganda and I love it
mine too
It’s kinda depressing that Titan A.E. bombed so hard. I love that movie.
Even as a guy who didn’t see the movie myself, I enjoy the idea that movie has potential for and feel so bad that it failed so miserably
GojiraTX
So do I. Titan A.E. is actually pretty interesting and amazing. But I hate how "unsuccessful" movies like this get thrown under by most people just because they weren't financially successful. Which, goes to show that not all movies that don't make money are bad.
Titan A.E. and Treasure Planet are weird, estranged siblings, when you look at it.
I thought the movie was pretty good. Not one of my favorites but a good watch.
agreed
We missed out on so much by Don's failure. His animation was gorgeous.
17:40 In a way, that's practically what happened, as Land Before Time received many cuts BECAUSE Spielberg and Lucas deemed some scenes too distressing or frightening. And that probably rubbed Bluth the wrong way.
That makes me happy, they're like your parents who comfort you.
"Bad" Don Bluth movies are still impressive from a technical standpoint, and I've never seen one I genuinely didn't like. In fact, I grew up loving Rock-A-Doodle. The story was flawed, but the voice talent involved was excellent, the music was catchy and I still get laughs from the Duke's nephew.
Justin Oakes CHANTICLEER!!!
... i remember really liking the pebble and the penguin, haven't seen in ages now though
Exactly!!!! Rock-A-Doodle is one of my favorite movies ever! I still watch it to this day! I know very line and song by heart.
Me too! It was definitely one of my absolute favorites when I was a kid. Some of those scenes like the storm were just the right amount of scary for little me! I was surprised to learn as an adult that it was considered a failure! That vhs ran through my vcr enough times to make up for the failure elsewhere in my mind!
“Should’ve stayed with Spielberg” is one of the most Duh sentences I’ve ever heard
Nathan C I suspect there were creative differences
Yeah, because Spielbergs further animated Movies performed so much better. Don Bluth even managed to make 5 more movies, while Spielberg was only able to make 3 before his Animation Company went bankrupt and at least Bluth had a comeback hit, so no, he shouldnt have stayed with Spielberg actually.
I think the reason Don Bluth didn't "stayed" with Steven Spielberg and why Spielberg was not involved in the later Don Bluth films, was due to the fact that Spielberg and his company Amblin had more control and put guidelines during the production of An American Tail and The Land Before Time.
In fact, it was the latter film that caused Don Bluth to cut ties with Spielberg because Spielberg and George Lucas had to remove 10-15 minutes of the film (hence the 69 minute runtime) because they were deemed frightening to small children.
@@nanotek1416 I think the reason Don Bluth didn't want to be involved with Steven Spielberg in his later movies, was due to the fact that Spielberg and his company Amblin had more control in his previous films, An American Tail and The Land Before Time which Bluth found disagreeable.
In fact, it was the latter film that caused Don Bluth to not be involved with Steven Spielberg afterwards because Spielberg and George Lucas had to remove 10-15 minutes of The Land Before Time (hence the 69 minute runtime) because they were deemed frightening to small children.
Nano Tek they both didn’t do well in animated movies after that, but they did extremely well on what they did together
It’s sad. Just seeing Disney’s ACTUAL competitor take a huge fall.
Its like the Pewds and Tseries fight. One man Vs a huge company.
But he didnt have the supposed Pewds did..
It was like Nintendo vs SEGA.
Remember when Disney were real a**holes to the creator of Kimba. They're a bunch of bullies.
Disney motivate this guy to make his legacy
In the 80’s bluth kinda motivated Disney to get back up again
Bluth is a legend
>His bad films
>Names movies that were still fun and entertaining
UUHHHH, excuse you. Rockadoodle was great...
SOMEONE AGREES!!!! AHHHH!!
I don’t think anyone ever claimed “Anastasia” was supposed to be historically accurate. Hell, the movie doesn’t even get the freaking *dates* right. It’s some historical facts blended with rumor and fairy tale elements.
And it totally rocks. I will fight anyone on this.
Curiously, very few people who shit on Anastasia and call it one of Bluth's at best mediocre entries (compared to that inconsistent, drab and dull shitfest that All Dogs was, while also boasting probably the worst score in the history of mainstream animation?) provide any reasons beyond the historical inaccuracies. Okay, so Anastasia does not follow facts-what's next? It still has great songs, interesting characters, superb animation and probably the best written romance I've seen in a cartoon. And it has so many scenes that just get me every single time: Anya reuniting with the Empress, Dmitry realizing she's the princess, him refusing the money for her retrieval...
True, Rasputin is a lame villain and overall the whole magic subplot seems out of place and forced just to create some kind of legitimate threat-tellingly, the biggest change in the Broadway adaptation was ditching Rasputin altogether in favor of a Cheka agent. But aside from that Anastasia has every right to be included among Bluth's greatest works to date.
@@yarpen26 I've never liked Anastasia, even though I enjoy watching the musical numbers. They're some of the best. But it's entirely because of the of the out of place villain. He had some cool visuals and a nice song, so it's even more annoying that he fits into the plot so poorly and has no character depth and his sidekick ruins the dark atmosphere at every opportunity.
I think of it as Bluth's worst good movie. I can actually sit through it, unlike All Dogs, which always loses my interest halfway through, and his bad movies which are completely unwatchable. It just drives me so crazy that it had the potential to be a completely awesome movie, but screwed up by including the lame villain, who himself showed potential to be genuinely cool and scary if he had been developed better and put in a different film! It ruins the movie for me. It's like I'm being majorly let down every time I watch it, getting glimpses of what could have been, then being denied when medieval monk-robe and his bat appear on screen.
It also annoys me that Anastasia's hairstyles make no sense. Is her hair short or long? Elsa's hair bugs the crap out of me too. No me gusta illogical hairstyle changes.
@@FrogsForBreakfast Ironically, Rasputin and Bartok seem to more or less resemble Jafar and Yago's personalities in the first drafts of Aladdin, where Jafar was supposed to be this yelling and always complaining , semi-pathetic asshole while Yago went out of his way trying to calm him down. Good thing it didn't end up this way in the final movie.
Yeah I recall Russia not giving a flip.
My general rule of thumb is if the ethnicity/race of origin doesn't care, it's not actually offensive. It's what separates this from something like Pocahontas.
yarpen26 - I didn’t find Rasputin that bad, I think the weird humor of his body rotting saved him as a villain. But I definitely see where you’re coming from, I find the villain from Disney’s The Princess and the Frog annoying and think the movie would be better off without him.
I paid to see Titan A.E in the cinema...or my Dad did. It may have flopped but not in my heart, I loved it and love it until this day.
Same here. Also, the sountrack is *_fantastic._*
I loved it, too! I still rock out to the soundtrack. I bought the book, too!
Just because a movie flops, doesn't make it bad. I love Titan A.E too. Another criminally underrated animated film is "The Fearless Four" (1997) it deserves more awareness than it has.
Look at critic reviews for it my personal favorite is A STAR WAR'S RIPP OFF someone got paid to write that VERY INACCURATE single sentence as a full review it got destroyed by critics almost as if they were bribed to say it's awful but oddly enough every user review praised the movie I've seen this before my advice don't trust critics multiple user reviews normally gives a good idea of what your gunna get those professionals know nothing more than you and me
Titan AE has some incredible visuals, amazing soundtrack, interesting characters, but a weak story overall. I certainly don't feel it got a fair shake from critics and I'm kinda surprised it hasn't gained more of a cult following.
"Maybe because kids think dinosaurs are cooler than Billy Joel.." XDDDDD
With Jurassic Park I wouldn’t be surprised
Funny enough, I loved that movie as a kid. Both of them.
Tricky. Both are pretty close in competition
Don Bluth inspired so many independent artists and studios to dream big and work hard for their chance to shine (SPA studios is a modern successor I can think of).
Disney isn't even doing much 2D anymore, if any. My favorite films were actually the ones the company never talks about, like Atlantis or Treasure Planet, which were so out there and imaginative and funny. Either way, it shouldn't have a monopoly on movie magic. It shouldn't be a black hole swallowing up any competition.
I remember in my childhood, even though Disney movies were of course great to watch, DreamWorks (back when they did 2D) and Don Bluth movies were just as special if not more sometimes. I was really spoiled for choice, and that wouldn't have been as amazing if Disney was the only one that had been allowed to exist.
My favorite movie of all time is An American Tail.
I agree, when I was a kid in the 90s, my favorite animated movies were "The Lion King" and "The Land Before Time", As time passed in the late 90s and early 2000s it was a diverse market where there were animated films to choose from, it wasn't just Disney and I started to get to know Aardman and Studios Ghibli, which were also important films for me.
Disney's magic ended because of its monopoly 😢
"What Ruined Don Bluth Animations?"
The 90's
It's always that cursed decade
the reason why is that the creator of the studio fucking LIES to us
Yes, Toy Story, Bug’s Life, and Nightmare before Christmas killed him. 3D animation is now the way of life!
Stefan Unson
Unfortunately.
I loved the old fashioned way of animating.
@Peruano ML except that now we have 3D that looks 2d in spiderverse and 2D that looks like 3D in Klaus, and thas't really great
Funny you didn't mention his depression/nervous breakdown following the murder of Judith Barsi.
I can understand why. What happened to that poor girl was horrible. Not that it was Bluth's fault whatsoever.
What? No way
Okay???... what!? Can someone tell me what happened??? 😱😰
Krista Bautzmann Judith was killed by her father at home and he committed suicide after that. Was really heartbreaking
@@KayleeCee Yeah, it wasn't his fault but when you are so close to an event like that, it must be impossible not to be affected by it.
All Dogs Go to Heaven one and two (along with a lot of animal-based films like Balto and Cats Don't Dance) are one of the major reasons I got into drawing when I was younger. I'll never forget them
Can’t believe it’s been ten years since Dom DeLuise passed away.
@@angelcastaneda529 Right? His voice was iconic for good ol' Itchy. R.I.P Dom Deluise
And also Tiger from An American Tail. That’s my personal favorite.
Well think of this.
There is a parallel universe where Burt Reynolds reprised his roll as charlie
@Juan Cortez Muro Jesus Christ, how many of these comments did you put out here, you annoying shank?
So Disney was Nintendo, and Don Bluth was Sega.
TheMr77469 y e s
Titan AE is the Dreamcast
Pretty much. While Pixar is Sony PlayStation and illumination is Xbox
@@normadgarmez7026 illumination, is to successfully (sadly). Xbox, it more, like Dreamworks
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No, pixar are both playstation and nintendo, dreamworks is Xbox and Illumination is idk
Titan AE was incredible and insanely underrated.
PLANET BOB!!
Right!
is a fond part of my childhood, that's for sure
And also it was have a really spacey look8ng animation .
Wait
Wait wait wait wait
THAT'S A DON BLUTH MOVIE?!
Don Bluth had more of an impact on my early childhood than Disney. Secret of Nimh is one of my favorites of all time.
And I loved Titan AE. It actually feels like a prequel to Firefly concept-wise
both Titan and Firefly would have really taken off if only people had known about it and could see it. Titan, (like Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow), being just nobody watched it and Firefly for inconsistencies with times shown and the channel it was shown on cause the channels all had their roster and could not really fit firefly in well.
I wouldn't go that far to prove a point, they both had a very strong impact on my childhood. I mean I have good memories growing up watching Don's movies and I have great ones with disney even. When ur a kid it's not about the numbers or sales or who the movies are made by, we just loved watching them because it made us happy to..we didnt care about wat was better or more enjoyable to watch is wat I mean. When your a child we get something from the cartoons we watch that adults just dont get. Again their about competing against each other and I think they both did a good job and yes I will say now as an adult obviously nothing can beat disney, that'll never happen and that's ok because don comes next and that's a good thing 🙂💯. Don's movies are just as good, a cartoon is a cartoon kids love watching them because of the story 😁👍🏼....our imagination does the rest ❤😊.
Susan A. Hubbard my early childhood was full of all dogs go to heaven, the secret of nymh, and lastly American tale
@@thatguybrody4819 I'm so happy I'm not the only person who knows about Sky Capetian.
@@QuesoKommando ye
I ADORED Rock-a-Doodle as a kid. I'm not saying it was a GOOD movie, but I loved the hell out of it.
Caldella same! I wouldn’t call it a bad movie 🤷🏾♀️
kids with gobots probably liked those too...as long as they never saw a transformer...
Very few people make that distinction with things they like; good on you.
I like Rock-a-Doodle too, just not the ending..
It’s been 15 years or so since I first saw Rock A Doodle and it and Thumbelina are still two of my fondest childhood movies. They aren’t perfect but I rewatch them quite frequently. They bring back wonderful memories!!
*Anastasia is now on Disney+*
Disney: You could not live with your own failure. And where did that bring you? Back to me.
To don bluth xd
In the words of Arin Hanson: "Burbank California! Where dreams are crushed. Come on down!"
Netizpossible arin crushed his own dreams and now he’s a hollow shell of a once great animator.
Burbank California were you can find a gun store- there's a couple
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Hollow shell maybe, but I still think he's genuinely funny.
I'm not always gonna yern for "the old days" cause it makes me less open to the new days imo. But I get where you're coming from.
I watch their live stuff like 10-minute power hour as opposed to regular GG cause I find it more interesting and entertaining.
Saber it's funny that you mention Don needed a good business manager because I'm a computer animation/game development major, and we NEVER prioritized business in ANY way, shape, or form. We prioritized animation and technique....but we never learned HOW to PROPERLY get into the industry....let alone how to properly START our own business. Don Bluth is a symbol of the shit show that goes down in animation business. You'd be surprised at how many people in the animation industry have a lack of business common sense......
Wholeheartedly agree! Artists learn HOW to create, but not quite WHAT to do with the creation. Maybe this is why everyone says you can't do shit with an art degree....
More art schools _definitely_ need to teach the business side of the graphic art industry.
I went to Ringling for illustration back in 2003-2007 and it was an anomaly that they actually required a business of illustration class for all the seniors that taught us about branding for ourselves, marketing, job hunting, interviews, leave-behind books, clamshell portfolios, agents, taxes, contracts, and pricing. It's ridiculously important and not many schools cover it!
And as an aside, that class produced one of my favorite quotes from the two profs who jointly taught the class: "We're here to tell all of you how _we_ got fucked over so you can avoid them and find _new_ ways to get fucked over. Because all of you _will_ get fucked over at least once in your careers."
@@TheGoldenDunsparce Honestly a lot of people who say that don't actually know what all you can do with one, because it's a _lot._ The graphic art industry is really diverse in what all you can do and just how many different companies and sub industries you can work within. Basically anyplace that needs imagery for any reason at all, all the way down to the CIA. (One of the illustration grads a few years ahead of me at Ringling was hired by the CIA to illustrate their training manuals.)
Makes me wish that there was a way to add some art business classes as a part of attaining an AA or certificate in college. I've been in (and I'm still in) some classes for making art and I've heard of classes for businesses, but I've never heard of a class that combines them together...🤨🧐🤔
See while i’m not in the industry, that is a MASSIVE industry hole. Because honestly, there are some top tier artist who wind up staying amateur because they don’t have the where with-all to angle themselves in the industry. Hell, I know just plain artist that would benefit from that.
So yea, either find a business assistant or someone who knows a lot about managing funds so you don’t over do it. Although, I gotta say, there isn’t much by means of training for us either (historian here).
Give this man a Netflix series. Even if it's just a executive producer.
YES! It would be much better than most other animated stuff there.
the old guard made an amazing prequel to The Dark Crystal, so I'm inclined to agree. By now there are tons of people around who want to make the absolute best Don Bluth style movie possible.
Dragons lair Netflix series yeah
Imagine if it gone to Cartoon Network boy that will bombed if cn had the rights
In my opinion, enough time has passed that Classics such and Don Bluth's style and the stop motion that brought us Nightmare Before Christmas need to come back and remind us that they are still here. Despite what some companies think, there is a definite market that is larger than perceived for these types of products. Bluth...we miss you.
Poor Judith Barsi. She voiced many of Don's characters and died tragically.
She only voiced 2 still it is sad
It's all because of her stupid abusive dad!
She only voiced 2 characters, but she wanted to keep working for Don Bluth for years to come. Sadly, her life was taken too soon. :(
Judith's dad was so evil! Killing his own daughter and wife! F*cking horrible!
😭😭😭😭 She would be *42* now
as an artist myself, I can testify that, sometimes having someone to hold you back and prevent you from spending tons and tons of time and money on projects, is very much needed in most cases, when you let a creative person take the lead, well, let's just say we have a tendency to shoot for the stars, while forgetting to keep a ladder under our feet.
Richard Williams learned this the hard way.
Don Bluth was the Peter Molyneux of the animation industry!
datore sometimes you've got to stop wanting so much and just do your job
Don Bluth basically needed a Roy Disney. Walt was very involved and wanted a great deal of control of his projects, took a lot of big risks and ran out of money A LOT in his early days (several of his early studios went bankrupt as well), but his brother Roy was always ALWAYS there to figure out the financial situation. I think most successful creative minds, like Walt, had a Roy behind them as well: a trusted person in charge of finances who earnestly wants to see the "Ideas guy's" ideas succeed, but is there to tell them what is and isn't feasible (and they'll listen, since they trust each other). A Roy would have told Don it made more sense to NOT release on the same day.
Edit: Oh, and even Walt had many trusted animators on his team that basically led the way after his death. There's was definitely a bit of a struggle right after his death, since he was such a large influence on the company obviously, but an entire generation of Disney films were made without him (by the same animators who worked with him) and the "9 Old Men" essentially raised a generation of animators who eventually worked on the Renaissance films.
A money guy might have helped, but in Bluth's case he also needed someone to help with the narrative. His animation was beautiful, but as time went on the scripts for his film became worse and worse. Including the Fox films... I find both Anastasia & Titan very unwatchable and it has nothing to do with the animation quality.
Roy could often be to conservative though. He initially protested adding color to the cartoons, the idea of an animated feature film, and Disneyland. He probably did keep Disney from going totally bankrupt though.
@@58jharris Yeah, it was definitely a balance. Roy protested to some things but in the end they had a balance where Roy would help Walt out even with his "bad" ideas (like feature animated films, that will never work! *cough*), but Walt wouldn't go completely off the rails. I don't know for sure, but they probably had many many discussions and arguments, but in the end they were great partners.
Well, while Walt's name is shown, it surely was DISNEY company.
@@kgoblin5084 He never wrote any of the scripts. So that's not his fault. I base all of his works on the animation quality.
Now I' wondering what Ice Age would look as a Don Bluth film
Mannie would have died
It would've been more interesting, very more mature, than we have right now.
Titan AE is like Treasure Planet, a good movie that most people just never saw
I agree
It is a flawed movie though, most of the characters are useless, the pacing is bad with way to much happening at the very end, the traitors feel shoehorned and the 3D makes the film feel very dated
Easily a 6/10 but they needed an 11 to survive
A LOT of people have seen Treasure Planet at this point. It's probably one of the most talked about Disney films of that era at this point.
Never saw Treasure Planet, but Titan A.E. was great. Unfortunate more people didn’t see it.
i'd say Titan A.E. is like Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow. 2 really good movies that just got swept under the rug and never had a chance to really shine. though id say sky captain beats titan as better movie.
Ironic being that _The Great Mouse Detective_ is allegedly the film that saved Disney from bankruptcy.
I'd love to see him do an adaptation of one of the _Redwall_ books or a Mouseguard module.
The great mouse detective is my favourite Disney movie 🐀
Aleksandra Abrahamowicz ME TOO. A THOUSAND TIMES ME TOO.
Omg you're right!!! I'd love for Don to put more darker themes on Redwall
Does Don Bluth Productions still exist?
I want someone to make a video titled, 'The history behind The Velveteen Rabbit. Don Bluth's unfinished masterpiece for New Line Cinema.'
"What ruined Don Bluth?"
Don Bluth.
The guy was a counter puncher when his strengths lay elsewhere. Had the man A. Not directly went after Disney, and B. Took on smaller projects to help fund bigger projects, he would still be doing movies.
If he did Ice Age, Fox Animation Studios could have easily gone another 10 years.
He make ice age with dinosaurs
@@montajedelespectador yeah but no snow until episode 8
All of Bluth's movies even the "bad" ones were so important to me and my aesthetics.. I simply love his work ❤️
when you realize Secret of NIMH is 37 years old._.
Don Bluth doing the animation
Jerry Goldsmith doing the music.
'nough said!
When you realize it's only 7 years older than you ;~;
@@rachael1090 HAHA! I won't tell you how old I am and I loved this movie. Hint: I'm older... much older... than the movie.
You what
I loved that movie. It's a pretty dark book too, I highly recommend reading it.
Disney animation is like the finely constructed model airplane in the display case. Don Bluth animation is the toy airplane you actually get to play with.
Don Bluth is one of the best animators in the world. I think the industry and the rise of CG animated films ruined him. But at least we still have the upcoming Dragon's Lair movie.
Oh that's still happening? Good for him i'd definetly check it out
@@frankjournal340 As far as I know, it's still in production. There's no news on when it's going to be released yet, but hey, knock on wood.
@@michaelstrong5383 hopefully
@Juan Cortez Muro You are so unbearably irritating. Seriously, how many times did you post that comment?!
The Secret of Nimh is one of my favorite movies. Not just animated.
I NEVER got that Samurai Jack joke till I saw this video. My mind is blown!
Don: joins fox animation
10 years later
Disney buys fox
Ironic isn’t it?
Now Disney is gonna ruined Don Bluth movies like he ruined Star Wars, and everything.
oh god that made me cackle
@@ryliehunter5082 Something ironic in it.
Please though. The language.
Gregg Everman Welcome to youtube
The Secret of NIMH is such a classic and one of my favourite movie’s as a kid. Still good as adult as well!
An American Tail is also a really amazing film as well.
I saw his last film in cinema, Titan AE, and to be honest I loved it, for me is one of my favorites of him. I really am a nostalgic guy, and every time I remember Don Bluth and his films brings me a tear or two. For me and for the rest of the people that saw the magic of is animation, holds a special place in our hearts.
6:28 The main characters for East of the Sun and West of the Moon kinda look like Taran and Eilonwy from Disney's The Black Cauldron
Coincidence? I THINK NOT
I was thinking the exact same thing. I honestly thought saber was showing a still from the black cauldron and was about to say that it had beat don's movie for that year.
The land before time and an American Tale were my favorites
Mine too! As a 2nd generation American, both movies (but mostly Fievel) both strike home.
Diana Setterby I loved Land before time but American Tale I just wanted feed Fievel to the cats. In fact he's the reason I feed live mice and rats to cats
@lan fortuna Why? Fievel is awesome, and An American Tail in general is a really great film.
David Herrera he's an annoying rat and he beat out Disneys own mouse themed movie the great mouse detective he's just so annoying
David Herrera ua-cam.com/video/1HG9igUxx5o/v-deo.html
I wish Universal could go back making more mature animated films like An American Tail, The Land Before Time, and Balto. Not that I hate Illumination, though.
Annie I kinda wish Illumination Entertainment could evolve from their current status, I can see potential in the company and I hope that the animated adaptation of Super Mario Bros. could expand on their exploration of genres.
And if some are worried about that film well Shigeru Miyamoto is in charge with the project and that Illumination themselves are up to the challenge.
And yeah I wish Universal did darker animated films like back in the day.
Annie well, there’s plans for a Jurassic World animated series. But it’s being made by Dreamworks and is being made for kids. Also, 3D Animation.
Personally, I was hoping for a 2D, PG-13 show with a look and tone similar to “Attack On Titan”, and with a metric Fuckton of dinosaur species (potential list here docs.google.com/document/d/1K1g6Ru036qgK7fft5eB92yN0QRyaD_XRewW9G2qQd9o)!
Pets 2 is underrated
Balto is one of my favorites
*raises hand* i hate illumination
My little brother had just turned 7 when "Land Before Time" was released. He became obsessed with the movie. I really think it helped prepare him for two years later when our mom was suddenly diagnosed with cancer and died shortly thereafter.
Funnily enough, all of my favorites of his were the "failures". All dogs go to heaven, rockadoodle, and thumbalina.
Wendy McCoy Thumbalina 🥰
Same, plus Titan.
All dogs go to heaven will always be my favourite
All dogs go to Heaven is my dads favorite movie, making it a favorite to me too. It doesn't deserve its fate
Take that you simp
Lol
What's sad, Thumbelina, Pebble and the Penguin, and Troll in Central Park were some of my favorite movies when I was a kid
lunattg same here.
Same
lunattg thumbelina was my fav.
The troll in Central Park scared me as a kid. The baby would cry that made me cry.
I also liked Thumbelina as a kid, but that's because it was the only Don Bluth movie I actually owned. I got it from my grandparents. I never saw Pebble and the Penguin or Troll in Central Park, though.
My parents still own all 3 on VHS. I liked all 3 as a child. When I grew up and re wached them, WOW they were not all that great. Not god awful terrible, but not the best... Pebble and Penguin had Tim Curry voice the villain lol. Loved his voice. Troll in Central Park had Dom De Louis voicing the Troll. Loved his song, "Absolutely Green."? Thumbelina I thought was all right. Loved the main song, "Let me Be Your Wings." I can't remember my reasoning, but Thumbelina lacked something... still good in my eyes. :]
What ruined Don Bluth? Making generic and basic kids films, instead of his typical deep and amazing films.
And then not making any movies for far too long
Diet disney though is what the people hated. Such is the way of idiotic investors.
You could tell the studios had waaaay too much control on his work
You expect him to make a movie after the disaster of Titan A.E? He isn't disney, he doesn't have millions of dollars to use on movies. Hell he hardly had any money back then. It baffles me on how people like you think movies are easy to create, especially animated movies.
He goes from making unique masterpieces to shitting out ripoffs of Disney
And here I am with my favorite Don Bluth's
Rock a Doodle: The songs are absolutely amazing and I always adored Chanticleer and Uncle Dukey
American Tail: Lovely movie, gorgeous water effects
Land Before time: So terrifying but so sweet and funny
Titan: Coolest, damn space animation
Thumbelina: Such a beautiful movie with sweet, sweet songs
Anastasia: Gorgeous, absolutely gorgeous
So a part of me is upset some of my favorites were considered such failures - but then again one of disneys failures is one of my favorites of theirs "Treasure Planet"
Spielberg and Don Bluth's relationship while making American Tail and Land Before Time was...rocky. There are countless interviews on it.
American Tail had to be reworked every full moon or so, with scenes and characters getting shuffled around/deleted, and with Don Bluth not being exactly comfortable making a movie about a mouse that is explicitly jewish, for whatever reason, that would be later mass produced with toys and shit, as he was one of those that thought the movie alone should be the focus.
Land Before Time literally started production before it had a script, Spielberg just said ''this is the story, now go do the movie lol, I'm busy.'' and Don had to stretch the simple premise of this ''search for the promised land but with dinosaurs'' to 80 minutes, of which Spielberg and George Lucas only came in to cut 20, Don was obviously NOT in charge of his own projects, and it's pretty safe to say those movies only did well because they had the name Spielberg somewhere on the poster.
The only mistake Don did was assume that he should aim for younger kids and BABIES with his next movies, when the whole fucking point was that he was Disney except edgier and with more soul, he kinda tried rectifying it with pebble and the penguin but it just didn't come through, regardless, Thumbelina and Troll in Central Park were bought/distributed by Warner Bros. which like Cats Don't Dance and Iron Giant, didn't give a shit about theatrical release and just made their money on VHS sales.
Anastasia was very much controlled by Fox, first it was developed as a screenplay and then given to Bluth to animate, who was used to doing animated movies the OLD way, with story departments and storyboards instead of scripts, the same thing happened with Titan AE except Fox already had that with millions blown on preproduction and threw that BOMB on Don Bluth's lap exclusively so they could find a reason to terminate their 2D animation division.
The real reason why he stopped making movies has to do more with the economic situation of the 2000's, EVERYONE stopped making movies. I know Independent filmmakers that got absolutely FUCKED by the 2008 crisis, and to this day there has never been as many independent film distributors as it used to have in the 1980s, added with a complete centralization/monopoly of the industry to gravitate towards California, Don Bluth is simply that kid that's never going to be invited to the party.
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This is so depressing actually, but extremely accurate. It is also interesting to point out that Anastasia was developed as a more historically accurate live action film first, without any Rasputin, and got deeply reworked after they decided to make it animated. And don was offered to make an animated my fair lady first (interesting since both Anastasia and mfl have some similar plot points) thing is while they manage to inject dons personality and style into it, it was always a sanitized studio product
a Don Bluth version of My Fair Lady would've been SICK. I love that movie.
Not training newer directors is becoming a pixar problem as well. Instead of cycling through the same few guys.
I must have been around 4 or 5 when I was obsessed with the Secret of N.I.M.H. and would always rent it when I was taken to the video store (yep, that old). I was always so moved by the show of love and power of Mrs. Brisby and would cry and cry. I remember one viewing in particular when I was crying at the end and my dad, who is now passed, just held me and asked me why I was crying. I don't think I understood at that age myself why it made me so emotional.
That movie remains near and dear to my heart!
"Bartok? Bardock? Bardock the Magnificent?"
Would be funny to see that one Saiyan as a magician in Otherworld, now that I think about it...
FRIEZAAAA!!!!
Ki blasts are sparkles and super saiyan glows like the sun.
It's a shame we will never have another animator like him. We will never have another "Land Before Time" or "An American Tale" again.
And now we have "Let It Go" as the number one highest grossing animated film. Let's face it! As bad as Don's films went at least they were more Original and they had more imagination than Frozen!
Not only that, but the influence of his animation is very evident in the Disney films he worked on.
I bet Don never saw dime one of the revenue of those LBT sequels
VeronicasTouch I think there’s probably THOUSANDS of better animators, they’re probably just indie and we never heard of them
I sometimes feel that animation as a whole has been entered another dark age with no end in sight. Most of the time CG just look uncanny and plastic-like and most mainstream stuff are kids stuff with a billion pop-culture references. It doesn't help that computing unlike with music didn't really made animation easy, at least if you want to do Don Bluth or Disney renaissance stuff, but on the other hand, the medium could be cheapened, if everybody could crank that visual quality in their basements...
oh my.. He's actually still alive. I thought he had passed away years ago.
It's surprising to me to
I was surprised as well.
Wait now I'm confused he's not dead🤔🤔🤔 I thought he died around 05, now I gotta check this out
Ok it's Dom Deluise the voice actor who died in 09, 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️ somehow I thought they were the same person Don directed the movies...
He's very old though
"No one could touch DIsney"
I mean I know what you mean, but Disney actually almost DIED about 60 billion times from between the 50s-80s. It wasn't until the Renaissance that they became as massive and unbeatable as they are now.
Anastasia is one of my FAVORITE animated movies ever 😭❤️ and American Tail was a frequent pick on my weekend trips to the video store as a kid
Yes it's unfortunate that disney no longer does 2D animation just because "it's not profitable" but they defently could with the kind of money they have.
Exactly they are just lazy and shitting out unoriginal cash grabs
I wonder why anime is doing well then? They need to maybe take a lesson from Japan about story telling and quality art because their's was starting to slip.
They clearly have the technology as we have seen a brief return of 2D animation in the Mary Poppins Returns movie, I demand Disney make a separate studio just for 2D animation.
@@redconvoy anime is doing well because its hand drawn has talented and passionate people working behind it and has good unquie and fresh stories suitible for a wide range of audiences not just kids
Plus the art styles look better than the pure lazy unoriginal uninspiring modern tumblr cal artstyle we have now...
@@TheHipisterDeer yeah I know but apparently they hired the old disney animators to make that scene up I think most people who work at Disney now are out of touch and don't know how to make 2D as they are so used to working on constant cgi and computer animation.
Plus disney cares more about buying out the competition pushing its agenda and politics down our throats instead of making anything good
I dont think anyone has hurt my nostalgia heart harder than hearing "a Troll in central park and Rock-a-doodle" and "bad movies" in the same sentence
I know right! I love Rock-a-doodle, I still watch it to this day. I also remember how much my sister and I would watch a Troll in Central Park
Let me issue you a challenge if you're down to ruin your childhood, because whole a troll in central park wasn't good it wasn't that bad, rock a doodle was pretty damn bad. The idea of those films are good.
The problem with rockadoodle doesn't fall under story, it's all the characters, songs, and pacing. The songs are frequent and, well I can't say any of them are really good enough to put on a playlist that even has yodel adle eedle adle oo on it. I'm not picky about my songs. When the movie is interrupting the songs (when patoo cuts in with an "I think we lost them") something is very wrong. The morale of the film was very confused. The kid didn't seem too hurt by being called a fraidy cat until that interesting inner turmoil scene at the end. There wasn't a lot to show for the fox boss trying to keep chanticleer from leaving in all honesty, no real manipulation, it was so quick at the end. We spent more time with patoo's shoes. Why? The bunions thing was a one time gag that doesn't come into play later at all. What can you say about peepers as a character? Or the magpie? Peepers has a lisp and the magpie never shuts up? That's not character. The hell made Goldie actually fall for chanticleer? It never says even in that stupid monologue. The songs sound like something a kindergarten teacher came up with for her class to sing to on the piano. The characters don't exist. The plot is bizarrely rushed with no time to breathe and too much thrown in with so little to tell. The morale is forced and underdeveloped. It's less about the rooster and more about the cat.
This is unfortunately what education on how to create good characters and storytelling does to you. It messes up your perspective on things you once loved as a child and makes you sit back and go "huh. Maybe that wasn't actually that good at all." It happened with fox and the hound for me, my all time favorite as a child, one tape I had that was in perfect condition because I never rewound any of the scenes to watch nor skipped scenes. I went back and yeah bluth was kind of stubbornly right to remove his name from the movie. It's good but it's not great. There's just a lot of nothing going on, that's the problem with a troll in central park. There's a lot of nothing. I can forgive how stupid gnorga is. I can't forgive the dancing flowers, real crying toddler, how much of a brat Gus is, the morale, Rosie in general, and how off-putting Stanley is toward these kids. He's fine with Gus but creepy with Rosie. You don't apologise to a toddler about the place being a mess nor fly around the room when kissed by said toddler. That's just gross. I loved the idea of Gus thinking he's too grown up to dream and Stanley giving him the chance to dream. Hell the end I interpreted as Gus letting himself dream like a child and have hope. I do kinda like the songs in it but I don't find myself humming queen of mean at work. It was better than rockadoodle but not that much better. I could probably cut out a good chunk of a troll in central park to make it work better, like the dog chase, the flowers dancing, probably a little bit of welcome to my world, part of the fight between Stanley and Gus, there's something good in the movie about imagination that I just enjoy but the rest has to go.
@@spinningpeanut what the actual fuck? The original commenter and I like or love these movies. I dont care if you dont like them...but honestly you felt you needed to make a lengthy comment that has 3 paragraphs that no one is going to read...why? I dont care you dont like the songs or the characters. We do. Go do something productive with your life. Seriously.
@@spinningpeanut yea seriously. no ones gives a fuck about all that you typed. didnt even realize you had all that until i read little boo's comment. whether or not you or they liked it...its on you guys. I personally forgot all about the movie. but I'm sure it hold a special place in some folk's childhood
@@boomdos4265 now that's just mean. I'm giving you tools to understand why people wouldn't like the movie you do. People will say "I don't like a troll in central park" and when you ask why they just say "because" as they didn't actually watch it, loved it as a child, and then because some cartoon critic said so is the real reason. I get it, I do, I have a soft spot for the Rio movies and roadside Romeo. Yeah I like the movie saber trashed harshly. Does that mean I'm gonna tell him to shut the fuck up like you two did? Grow up.
I love how he was like “and these failures” and I loved ALL those crappy movies as a kid 😂😂😂
Yes!! The pebble and the penguin and rock a doodle are two of my absolute favorites!!
@@user-px6hz6ex4c I liked the Troll in Central Park
Same here!!! Haha loved them all!
@@Kakachi07 I think the reason I didn't like the troll in central park that much was because I had one of those big baby doll sized troll dolls, I wanted it sooo bad and got it for Christmas one year. One night I had a nightmare that it had this demonic face and glowing red eyes and I got rid of all my troll dolls and didn't want to have anything to do with trolls anymore lmao. But most all of Don Bluth's movies were my absolute favorite as a kid... all dogs go to heaven & the land before time... I wore out those 2 VHS tapes!!
The best animated movies and shows are the ones you can watch again as an adult.
This makes me a little sad. I remember this studio being just as much a part of my childhood as Disney movies. I didn't know the difference. To me, it was just magic. I'll definitely be purchasing these movies for my children some day.
Land Before Time and All Dogs Go to Heaven are my favorite films, I wish more like them we're made instead of Disney making constant cgi remakes.
Firewolfcaves same !
Yeah right? Movies dealing with heaven and hell, death, and just being kinda frightening... kids movies don't have any balls these days.
@@rachael1090 Some parents don't like it but I think they're good. I watched those when I was 6 and 8 and still watch them as a 14 year old. Either way that comment is hilarious and I personally love it.
Disney is a soulless money grubbing monster at this point. If they ever weren’t.
@@anydaynow True that
Don Bluth also suffered from not knowing what cats looked like. I love this man, Secret of Nihm is one of my favorite movies ever. But damn, his cats look so weird
just ignore that his dinosaurs have eyelashes?
begone blatherskite
I agree. I LOVE Don Bluth, but his cats are so dog like. It's bizarre.
I saw your profile, you have good tastes my friend 👌
An American Tail is Don Bluth's best work. An American Tail is my favorite my favorite movie of all time.
Titan A.E is a good film done dirty by bad marketing
Yeah, this was a sad reality because it didn't need to happen. It was one of my childhood favorites.
(and Joss Whedon's re-writes)
This cannot be over-stated! As children, my brother and I asked to watch Titan A.E. to avoid seeing a bad movie with our parents (I don't remember what they went to see, just that they didn't like it), and were disappointed by how few of our friends or classmates even had it on their radar.
I remember Titan having utterly atrocious commercials. Horrible ad campaign.
so true such an underappreciated movie.
I loved Pebble and the Penguin and Thumbellina. The dark designs that Bluth came up with was just so uniquely different from Disney's style