Can Postecoglou make Spurs top four contenders?
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
- Arsenal were too much for Tottenham in yesterday’s North London derby, running out 3-2 winners at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. After the games, Spurs boss Ange Postecoglou said his team needs to deal with the “details” to be contenders.
So, what exactly are the fine margins they are missing?And will it be enough to get to the next step and challenge next season?
Ayo Akinwolere is joined by The Athletic's Jack Pitt-Brooke and Seb Stafford-Bloor to discuss.
00:00 Intro
00:36 North London Derby review
04:14 Ange Postecoglou at Spurs
07:26 What is the Tottenham Hotspur project
14:26 How will Spurs end their season
18:38 Does the squad need depth
20:34 What the summer looks like for Spurs
26:02 How much can Spurs spend
29:11 Outro
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Is that not exactly what Spurs are currently?
no
@@promethesured If the team in 5th and over the last 15 years have been in around the top 4 constantly are not 'contenders' then what is?
Right?!
Yeah Im perplexed as to what they think contenders means?
Exactly
@5:38 - Gianni Vio was an offensive set-piece coach. He didn't do defensive set pieces. The issue is defense where 14 goals have been conceded in some form. Still not the worst team in the league and even Villa have conceded more... Just needs to be much better.
I agree with much of what is discussed in this pod, its very measured. You bring up a good point about Gianni Vio, I think as fans our set-piece defending is appalling (3rd worst in the league before Sunday and 3rd worst at attacking from set pieces) and where our biggest frustration lies. If we just improved in this one area (not even to an elite level just mid table improvement on set pieces) then we would have potentially 10 more points, that makes us outside challengers still!!! There is still much to be done on building the squad but everything I've seen in the big picture is very, very positive.
@@guy4375 whats bizarre is when he was coaching the socceroos... set-pieces were one of our weapons... Jedinak scored many.
Maybe if Arsenal had 2 weeks to prepare and Spurs had 4 matches in the preceding 2 weeks with lots of pressure on this game, maybe Spurs wouldn't have looked so good. Why do you think Chelsea looked so good against an exhausted City last weekend?
As a player 2 weeks without a game is not that good for a team rest is not what you looking for
Remember when the athletic voted kai harvetz as worst signing..😂 how time flies
Some of their journos were tipping spurs for the league after the first 5 games 😂
That was football agents surveyed. Who clearly don't know much despite working in the game
they have an anti arsenal bias.. look how long it took them to finally admit that arsenal is decent. then with spurs from the beginning of the season they were so convinced by ange and the quality of the team, meanwhile since matchday 11 they have displayed midtable form.
The Athletic in general are hipster picks the NFL guys are just as bad.. analytics analytics analytics without knowing the game
Aren’t spurs forever stuck in a limbo state of always being in contention for top 4? Isn’t that the issue?
I think Ayo is an Arsenal fan? Very professional performance in the circumstances 😂
Could see the arsenal pov creeping out but keeping it in as well.
Ah makes sense aha he was finding it difficult at some moments so far, Im a fair way through the pod and seeing it now aha
Really enjoyed this, just very ballanced from two of my favourite football people (Seb & Jack).
When you perform well for just 10 games at the start of the season, it's called a New Manager Bounce. They never last and aren't indicative of any long-term progression.
The two weeks off doesn't help spurs. The lack of games during the season has gone against players searching for consistency. The terrible first half starts seem to be symptomatic of the lack of sharpness and match conditioning. You can see the players trying hard to find form and second guessing themselves, hence the lack of bravery. I'm skeptical THFC can finish the season strongly.
As an Arsenal fan, Ange has been class. I have found myself respecting Spurs slightly because of him. I look at Liverpool with admiration because of Klopp, and Ange carries the same level of Charisma that makes me appreciate even little things like derby day pettiness.
If Spurs get rid of him, it would be laughable but the man is certainly class and has them playing in a manner that even I am weary of, dare I say even entertained by. Urgh, that felt horrible to write!
Same here, but Ange just made them look so much better than what they are, play a high line and roll the dice
@@alexkcchung the big problem he has is no tricky wingers... in all his squads he had weapon wingers who scared their defender to the point they wouldnt go forward... he desperately needs that in his team atm. Teams are happy to sit off spurs as they cant score. They arent scared of them.
Funnily enough it’s the main reason I don’t like Arsenal. Arteta is weird.
I agree they are better to Watch, that being said I’m not sure he is tactically inclined enough to be able to push his team to the top. He plays his way and teams are working him out. If he does not change then he will be found out.
Word. If I were Jim Ratcliff, I’d try and poach Ange from Spurs. Even if it costs millions and selling a first born to Levy.
And if that offer does come, Ange must take it. Spurs are going to chew him out. Their level of ambition is measured by wanting to stick it to Arsenal. It’s in the DNA. He can’t do anything, and they don’t deserve him.
Postocoglou had a much better team in his first season compared to klopp and arteta so it’s not comparable
was the league in this same state when arteta took over? chelsea in disaray, united as a mess, newcastle unable to build on from what they had last season, brightons collapse, west ham being poor etc. the middle of the table has had sheningans this season, spurs could easily be 9th had some of their opponents been less injury riddled and generally less poor.
@@USER06584B ??? Arsenal finished 5th, 2 points behind 3rd place Chelsea the season prior to Arteta's arrival.
@@homelessdude5705 and why did he arrive? were arsenal looking like they were about to have an amazing season? this is legit is first season with a squad mostly of his own desired players, arsenal had done a massive clearout, and the prem was more top heavy back then. look at the state of chelsea, united, and even honestly spurs right now verses spurs back then.
had klopp had this squad in his first season he is reaching top 3.
@@noname-ju5gn Sure buddy
If that game was replayed 10 times, Spurs are winning more than 5 times. If you watched the game, reviewed the stats and xG, there is _no_ _way_ you can say Arsenal weren't lucky and Spurs were unlucky.
Credit to Arsenal, I'm just saying quit this basic narrative of "Ange needs another way to attack". Please analyse matches with more depth logic and less about "outcome bad, therefore team bad".
lol the copium is exquisite !
Impressive discussion, great to hear football discussed in such a cerebral way
So..can Ange take them to a place they find themselves every year?
What about last season?
Seb talks all the sense! 7:33 … it’s a process and small pieces added to the puzzle will enable progress
100% agree, seems like the only one that actually watches spurs
Gotta love how gooners rush to watch videos about Spurs here faster than genuine Spurs supporters do.
This was a terrible Chelsea team with 70% of their first team out injured and we hardly laid a glove on them!.. A pathetic performance….
It’s so obvious that the team are now struggling to buy into Ange’s tactics.
There’s not creativity in attack, the midfield are nonexistent or tripping over each other because they don’t really know where they should be, and the defensive play it quite literally Sunday league stuff!..
And all this with what is in my humble opinion a good squad of players!.. Especially defenders!..
Ange keeps telling us they don’t have many matches, well why the hell isn’t he working with the team to irradiate the most basic of issues?..
I’m sorry to say and obviously would love to be proven wrong but I feel the Premier League is a stap too far for “Ange-ball”!..
Spurs sympathy session!
He will need a tricky proper world class winger... maybe the young swede might come through... but he needs a 20 goal striker, needs new FBs, another 6 who good on the ball. He should go for Sancho.
Ryan mason in charge of set piece; ben davis not remembering saka can only shoot with his left foot; hobjberg trying high risk passes and giving the ball away. We’ve seen those three for too many years. They have given a lot to the team but we need to see new people.
4/15 with his right foot.
Ryan Mason does attack set pieces only.
@@billgray2862 he’s not doing a very good job then
@@skim722111 or 12 scored so far this season from set pieces mate, not that bad is it?
Vio, who is held up as a god of attacking set pieces only got 5 or so more than that. Still 5 games to go as well
Mile Jedinak works on defensive set pieces amongst other things.
As an arsenal fan, this is the first spurs coach that I like. They’re lucky to have him. He’ll get them up again
you didn't like harry redknapp? for selfish reasnons AVB is one of my favorite spurs managers... absolute banter era for spurs.
3:0 of course you like him.
@@zavtradnem I like that he doesn’t make excuses. He acknowledges where his team and he failed and he praises where the opposition outclassed them EVEN though he could easily have pointed to both the offside VAR and possible pen issues as excuse (see Ten Hag as exhibit A - that mofo is STILL talking about Garnacho SA’s offside goal against arsenal 😂 what a noob)
He's not actually lamenting about Romero's red card against Chelsea right?
With time Ange’s Spurs will come good.
Here's a better question: what if we come out if the Chelsea match with a draw or close loss but NO injuries and suspensions? THAT'S what killed the momentum, not outsized expectations.
I don't know, but you know what? You should keep having the exact same discussion every month.
Its not that Spurs are too structured and need mavericks, its that they only have ONE structure. You're blaming the players for not being spontaneous like your Center back recing to be a striker, leaving a massive hole in your back line isnt a a good thing and could've gone horribly wrong. There's no helping spurs fans honestly
Tottenham fans peak achievement since birth, is hate watching Arsenal. Must be cold in that trophy room
oh so you're a trophy fan. must be american burger boy.
So Villa who don’t have FFP issues would sell one of their better players to a team that will probably finish below them? Very hit and miss with the analysis at times. So contradictory.
have you noticed their spurs bias. it makes no sense. they are convinced by the ange project in a few games, with arsenal and arteta even last season they didnt believe it, even as this season started they were so quick to dismiss arsenal until like february. its very bizzare. even their analysis on united is very like eh, i find united fans are actually more insightful, or just watching the games.
Unlucky yesterday but we surely on downward spiral with big Ange. His limitations are becoming too obvious.
Myopic
Lo Celso is a bizarre one. He's potentially world class but he needs to be backed.
A bit of a silly tagline. Spurs are already "contenders" for 4th place. Whether they finish there or not does not change that fact
I DONT THINK SO AS LONG AS THEIR PRIORITY TARGET IS "ARSENAL". OTHER TARGET IS ONLY SECONDARY
Can you please ask Jack if Arsenal are back?😅
They are literally contending for top four already.
There not really they blew it
@@RandySnortin7 points off 2 games in hand… unlikely but if win all but 1 they probably get it as Villa will drop points
Son, maddison, bissouma needs to watch and play like romero.
maddison cant even play like madders
Stop comparing klopp first season which wasn't even first full season as he joined in november. liverpool squad was very poor compared to current spurs and we had european football which they reached final of. ange had full week rests for last 6 months
8:00 (in the voice of Brian Clough) "Young man, Arteta won a trophy in his first season whilst the spud won nowt"😂
Ange is so overrated out of both cups in first round and has no plan b
not to mention that spurs havent been too great since like november.
If we had beat Burnley only would have 4 points off them and were shit🤣🤣🤣
Amazing how much criticism Ange is getting…don’t forget Klopp or Arteta’s first EPL position.
We lost Kane ffs, have a new GK, new defence and new midfield, and we are already competing for top 4, despite the video’s title…
Klopp, Arteta & Pep have ALL benefited from having their own system and tactics developed over time (and persisted with!). Yet we lose and the media shouts our system is broken and we need a plan B 🤦🏻♂️
True it took Klopp a little bit and as an Aussie myself Ill back Ange for u guys, "mate" aha. Sorry stuck in the mind saying "mate" ehe
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Title should be can he make them top 4 regulars. They've been contenders this season.
Doesn’t matter what competition your jt did when they had a chance
I don’t any spurs fans that want to win against Man City unless Arsenal have already bottled the title.
You mean the team that is 5th with 2 games in hand, that was in pole position for 3rd last year until the Conte drama started and finished top 4 the previous season…. Of course they are as Ange is god or the 2nd coming of Pep according to the pundits on the Athletic this season, if they aren’t then Ange isn’t that great…
Vio only did attacking set pieces by the way not defensive. Mila sucks at his o job he is one dealing with defensive cost us maybe 10 points we 3rd worst in league
I emplore any one to find a Spurs fan who wants to make a "statement" win against City.
The whole crowd will applaud City goals if it keeps Gooners from the title.
Don’t get the narrative that spurs were unlucky. Arsenal literally gifted all their goals, and had more chances to score. Romero hit the post. That’s it.
Yeah Romero missed 2 free headers, a goal narrowly ruled out and a possible pen all in the first half. That's as many chances as Arsenal had in the whole game, they simply took their chances.
Tottenham also gifted Arsenal 2 goals as well
Not a chance of now
Watch out as you could be dropped down to 6th or lower
Come on Aston Villa
It’s not better than Klopps first full season. Klopp came to a team in mid-table in late October, it’s not comparable stop peddling this fake narrative. Arsenal fans did it with Arteta and now you are doing it with Ange.
Wait, spurs unlucky? No. Their goal was offside, and Kulu knew he wouldn't get the penalty. Spurs first on target was our error to their goal. We deserved to win, 3-0 first half, and errors were gifted.
High Line 4 Life Mate
😂😂😂😂😂😂
The mental gymnastics going on to say spurs were the better team is insane.
They scored a penalty and a goalkeeping error ffs
Media darlings. Always have been, always will be. Probably because they're back to being entertaining without anyone being even slightly worried they might actually win something 😂
all the videos they had about the NLD have been framed around spurs, even the one they released before the game. idk if spurs is paying the athletic or what. and also its often clear they dont watch a lot of the teams they may often talk about. i remember they were talking about johnson as if he isnt all that good which is absurd, especially given his age, and his numbers aren't too bad, especially considering the way they have changed around their frontline throughout the season.
HaHAha - good 1!!
SEB!!!!!!
Spurs thinking they're signing Jacob Ramsey and or Connor Gallagher 😂😂
How have they glossed over the refereeing in this game so quickly, was a farce
Nice to see them doing an equivalent pod for the team actually in 4th… oh wait.
Big 6 bias yet again.
Sort it out Athletic.
Be better.
Bit insecure mate just enjoy ucl. Plenty of talk about villa if you look for it
Bot drom Athletic, last pod discussing Villa was 50 minutes of them saying we had no chance against Arsenal. Then never to mention us again, even when discussing how Arsenal's chances were at risk of been derailed by the result @dharris-rd2md
@@dharris-rd2md He's right though, if any team outside the top 3 deserves a ton of praise this season, it's Villa all day every day over Spurs.
@@Amberle73 This wasn’t really praising spurs and there’s plenty out there bigging up villa. Either way, it’s still insecure to whine about it under a spurs video.
Spurs had 2 weeks off!! Arsenal are miles and miles ahead of Spurs
Answer: NO
THE END...
Only top 4 I thought all the pundits feel he’ll win the premier league for them 😂😂😂
He already has. What even is this?
‘Lads, it’s Tottenham’
Will spurs lose to Man city on purpose?
All Spurs did yesterday was huff and puff 😮 got gifted 2 goals and only in the last 5 mins did they try 😮
What about Arsenal? One lucky own goal due to Højbjerg being thrown off balance by Tomiyasu and Saka's goal resulted directly from a Michael Oliver brainfart.
The Michael Oliver brainfart? You mean your own brainfart thinking that’s a foul lol
@@thejoulesthief6841 How's that not a foul?
Disalowed milimiter offside goal and 3 posts and 70% possession is what again?
@@thejoulesthief6841 entire SKY team called it a pen. American clown
As long as spurs fans wouldn't be so reactionary and fickle and stick to a orogram for once, only then we will win titles
No. Next video.
god damn! look at their glum faces! LMAO
Damn jack you're clueless no one including the players want arsenal to win the league. If they could beat Liverpool and lose to city they'd take that
CO$$$Ta lotta....it's possible but depends on Levy opening the wallet!
Nope, still shite. Had there chance this year utd n chelsea are gonna be stronger next year + newcastle
Errr….No.
All pl teams want to dump players in saudi aabia. 😂
Spurs beating city ? 😂 dream on
NO.
Not sure but he’s probably a contender for top 4 highest volume of Deliveroo orders by one person in a year.
sinc whn is a high lin a tactic, cz thats all h offrs
Simple answer, NO.
According to you😭😭😭
DONT CRY KIDDO 😅@@viktormogyorosi5362
I mean who actually cares if he does, that's basically what they've been doing for the last decade with absolutely f all to show for it 😂
Nope, thanks for the video.
No, He's clueless.
He's a fraud and needs to go now before we waste another transfer window buying the players he wants for his laughable system.
Postecoglou is one trick pony. Don't expect much from him.
No.