Can Postecoglou fix Tottenham's 'fragile' foundations?
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
- Ange Postecoglou was clearly furious after Tottenham’s 2-0 defeat to Manchester City, a game in which afterward he claimed the foundations of the club are 'fragile'.
But what made him so upset after the loss, despite it being one of Spurs’ better performances in recent months?
Ayo Akinwolere is joined by The Athletic’s Tottenham writers Charlie Eccleshare & Jack Pitt-Brooke who are also on our Spurs pod View From The Lane.
00:00 Intro
00:22 Tottenham vs Man City
06:21 Ange Postecoglou at Tottenham
08:29 The pressure on Postecoglou
12:15 The lack of alignment at Spurs
17:01 Finances of clubs
20:45 The transfer window
23:51 How do Spurs improve?
25:18 Sheffield United vs Tottenham
26:10 Final comments
29:37 Outro
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Hilarious to see Charlie and Jack trying to build the narrative that Ange’s reaction was weird and the fans were fine. The guy was literally being shouted at by a *fan of their own team* to throw the game. Any serious manager would be livid at the state of the fanbase’s behaviour.
What planet are you living on - that happens to every manager at most of the grounds ! A serious manager would of ignored the idiot and not threw a hand granade in the press conference !
For real, the protection that spurs get in the media is ridiculous in general (I won't even go into why, but if you know you know) and watching these two weasels attempting to spin the narrative is wild
Why are you lying man. The fan did not say that.
That’s not true your lying it’s since been widely reported that the fan was shouting why he was t this animated when we were losing to arsenal
I think they're not trying to make grand assumptions about the atmosphere based on a few isolated cases. That's just what they observed in the ground
There’s no comparison between Ange’s vs Conte’s comments. Ange was justifiably shocked that a large chunk of Spurs fans were more interested in undermining the club rather than helping them win. Ange is ambitious and he won’t stick around if he doesn’t get the support he needs.
comparable in that they were calling out the culture of the club but ya with entirely different motivations. Conte was looking for an out the entire 2nd season. The football was antiquated and miserable, and he didn't want to fix anything, he just wanted out. I think the leadership was already looking ahead, having taken their last hail Mary at a big name coach and world class striker being enough to win titles. Despite the rant, I think Ange is still very much believed in and backed by Levy and the new staff, and wants to and believes he can bring success to the club. Totally different trajectory than when Conte popped off. But. hey, we'll see in year 2.
He can't be dense enough to not understand the circumstances at play. Even if Spurs won their fate wasn't in their hands, that's on him & the players, so of course the fans were going to be conflicted. This isn't a unique thing, I remember Arsenal fans in huge numbers before playing us in the 2019 Europa Final claiming they'd rather lose that match if it meant Spurs didn't win the Champions League Final.
I'd also suggest if he's as ambitious as he seems to be, he might want to tread carefully & not unnecessarily annoy Spurs fans. He's not exactly a hot commodity & he's lucky he got that job in the first place, ironically he's only there because Spurs' priority was to move away from the so-called "winning mentality" managers.
@@HHHBFResurrected Get a life
Says a lot about spurs as a club. How does anyone hope and pray that their team loses. Cheering for the opponent because the enemy won't benefit.
Is that the Ange told us that he was NOT interested in TOP 4 and Champion league football, watch the first 30 seconds of this vid - this is Ange in full flow
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You cannot have both ways mate !!
I reckon one of the biggest gripes for Ange was the Paddy Power advert. Seeing Spurs legends such as Hoddle, Sheringham and Anderton turning their back on his club and saying they're Man City fans and hoping they win the title at the expense of Arsenal. If ex-players are happy to do that, then yes, this does go deeper than a few fans and ex-players are the foundation of the club. He probably thinks they should be rallying around their own club and pushing in the same direction, not embarrassing the club to make a few quid on the side.
Wanting Man City to win one game against us is not "turning their back on the club"
In my view it is a true sign of a real Spurs fan, one who cannot help their true feelings
Ange was not talking about the Arsenal issue when saying the club was fragile.
The fragility he was talking about was all the bed wetting when Spurs lost a few games in a row, in the context of building a winning system and team - and everyone insisting on Plan B.
Apparently wanting plan B is in the fans , the club and staff.
This is what he meant when saying he had misread the situation.
The commentators and podders have not figured Ange out..
Listen to what he has been saying in the the last few pressers recently -
"I will die on a hill this approach".
Ange does not believe Plan B will help him much with Plan A.
Ange does not believe playing Van der Ven at left back will make him the best centre back in the world.
Ange does not believe playing without inverted full backs allows the team to practice the system.
Ange believes that the team need to practice the system against the best, every time, to learn how to do it properly!
No it wasn't a rant, he was just surprised people don't get his approach.
Celtic fans got it - they went toe to toe with Real madrid and weren't worried about losing, but focused on the teams growth.
Silly commentators.
Sorry guys, you are just wrong on Ange!
Celtic get slapped up every year in Europe & are only any good in the Mickey mouse SPL which they have dominated for the last 12 years & only losing 1 title to Rangers in this time,what they did in a one off game against Real Madrid who probably were having an off day is irrelevant. A blow up doll could win the treble with Celtic in Scotland,when was the last time Celtic got past the group stage in the UCL? The old firm clubs are made up of mid range championship players & play in a league of absolute dross,so Ange has won a couple of kangaroo cups in Aus & the Hi karate challenge cup in Japan,so what! The premier league is another level that's clearly way above Big Ange's station,he shifts the blame on to others when the going gets tough & his one & only plan A naive brand of football ain't cutting it. He's a fraud,a loser & a big cry baby to boot.....😂...😭....Big Ange.....💩⚽👎
Can someone please just acknowledge that the "foundations" comments were responding to the question: "Can you see the foundations of what you're building, Ange?" And he said "I think the foundations are still fragile."
i.e. he's just saying that its still early in the project. That's it. It's all fine, lol
thi sounds too sensible, we can't have that, it doesn't bring content
He was obviously using foundations in a different way i.e. referring to the fans and staff who make the club... The context is pretty on-the-nose.
Honestly, I think because he mentions buying in to his ideas being really important . That when some of the fans and staff couldn't buy into his philosophy they need to try and win every game regardless, and it irked him. He is trying to align everyone mentally (players, staff, fans,) and hasn't been as successful as he would have liked.
Well yeah, real life isn't a marvel movie. You can't just win people over with the power of speech. You need to get more than 6 points from 20 to get people behind you.
@@user-bp1be1yg2h it's easy to buy into something when you're winning. Look at Arsenal and Arteta or United and Furguson and tbh Arteta was probably lucky it was the Kroenke's making the decision and not the fans. But even with Spurs recent form doesn't Ange have a better points Total than what Arteta and Klopp had in their first seasons? That's gotta earn him some faith surely?
@@barrymchugh667 spurs heavily benefited from the first 10 games, their points after that are mediocre. That's the issue - the team has been progressively getting worse every dozen games, culminating in them breaking their record for most losses in a row just recently iirc.
To be honest, the kind of mentality Ange is trying to build only comes from trophies and I don't think spurs are in a position to win trophies any time soon, probably not during Ange's tenure. Both their cup runs have been abysmal compared to ten hag and poch and arteta who won trophies/got to cup finals in their first season.
@@user-bp1be1yg2h he will remove all the naysayers.
@user-bp1be1yg2h Arsenal tailed off in the 3 previous seasons as well. It's fairly common for teams that have strong starts to tail off when they get found out. There is no guarantees in football but the City game showed he had learned that u need a plan B. Later than most would have liked yeah, but Arteta only addept to that experience this season after teams figuring them out at the tail end of last year.
Unless you're Pep or seemingly Alonso there are going to be sticky periods where trust is required. At the end of the day this season will be Spurs second best behind the 21/22 season in the last 5 seasons. And that is without Kane a generational talent. It's no promise for a better next year especially as without Champions League. It will be harder to get the player that improve the team, but Arsenal did it, so who knows? 🤷♂️
The atmosphere was not fine, because it was entirely uncharacteristic of Spurs fans. The game felt like a City game or a tennis match. Given the circumstances of the season, a game so important, fighting for top 4, low moment for Spurs against the best team in the league you expect the fans to bring energy. They didn’t directly cheer City on, or kicked the opposing team goalkeeper but didn’t exactly showed they care.
But I guess Spurs fans still measure the success of their season on how bad their rivals do.
Not when they reached the champions league final they didn't, Arsenal were not even on their minds then.
But when you have had a crap season and your team is poor, then wanting your rivals to lose is the only thing you have
What being Spurs manager does to a mf
The issue about Tottenham Hotspur is very simple. They are not really a winning club, certainly not in the last 30+ years. 63 years since they last won the title. this has gained a tremendous amount of traction not just because of what Ange said but because it follows on the heels of what conte said Jose said etc etc.
True enough said
Pitt-Brooke frantically gaslighting your audience lmao
Honestly he (JPB) is one of the worst journalists on the Athletic. Also has this entitled and defensive attitude regarding valid criticism about his own club. Shamelessly defending his own clubs weak mentality.
@@iron6015 I don't think he is Spurs fan. I believe the other guy is.
@@iron6015 Spot on
@@iron6015he is a spursy of a journalist
The fans did not get behind the team at any stage. Their chanting after 0-2 was because they were satisfied were Spurs performance. Sad bunch of fans.
Liar. Tottenham fans are always behind their team, even if it means screwing arsenal
Wanting Arsenal to win nothing *_is a key part of being a Spurs fan_*
If anyone doesn't understand that they do not understand how important local rivalry is in football, it is not just "bragging rights", losing to Man C would forever be known as "the day Spurs handed their rivals the title"
Ange has realised what he’s got himself into. He will manage Man United next season, he wants out of Tottenham
A “slightly out of character, one- off”. Mate he’s going to call a spade a shovel if he needs to and believe me he will. It’s no one-off nor was what happened out of character. Have a look at Zealand’s take on what happened. He gets it, you guys don’t.
Oh yeah, he’s going to “pivot to be a Conte” as if the guy’s a journeyman actor 😂😂😂😂
You can't scrap VAR. You can improve it's application but you can't go back. It would be absolute chaos. Imagine if your team would have won the league if VAR not been scrapped.
The problem is that you might have thought VAR could have won you the league... but there's a chance VAR would have stuffed it up and missed the decision anyway.
Spurs need to back ange to the hill. rumor is that a spurs staff member joked about playing the youth team against city and ange lost it. We need a culture change. 5 years ago arsenal were 8th, now they are one of the best teams in the league because they have backed their manager. Not saying this would definitely happen with us but it demonstrates that it can be done
Charlie and Jack dancing around the problem here questioning the way Ange communicated his frustration. Giving a bland answer to appease most of the fans would just kick the issue down the road.
Obviously schadenfreude is a big part of fan culture but for the atmosphere to be subdued in an important game because of it shows a lot. Ange has said the atmosphere in other games gave the team momentum to get good results. To see the fanbase and maybe staff not fully aligned is harmful to creating winning culture. Especially in the first year when it's most delicate.
Spurs have sat in a comfortable position in terms of pressure for too long. Conte alluded to this. If they (half) challenge for the title or get top 4 they've over achieved and get praise from media. If they come 5th or 6th they can say "we can't compete with bigger clubs".
Ange sees the club's potential to do more and shouldn't pander to others who don't have the same conviction.
The past 8wks have been a really good insight to the myth that Spurs are a big club. The whole place was transfixed on getting into 4th, until that came into conflict with their rival winning the title. It's hilarious watching Spurs fans say he doesn't get it and he's out of his depth. Everywhere he's coached, either club or national level he's won. Spurs have won close to zero in 60+yrs. They have a big stadium and make a lot of money. But they don't win anything. Leicester have won more in the premier league era and have spent close to a decade of that in the championship. The only team that outperformed Spurs this season was Villa. No one in their right mind could have looked at a fairly average Spurs list, with little experience and then lose Kane and say this is a team that should be in the top 4.
This team celebrates things that successful teams barely flinch about.
Of course Spurs are a big club, what are you on about? They fill a 60,000+ seater stadium every week and the infrastructure to go with it, have the 8th highest revenue in world football, huge global fan base, and are in Europe almost every season, usually the Champions League in recent years. Trophy wise we are also the 6th most successful, and would be 4th if it wasn't for the City and Chelsea dodgy investments. The reason we didn't get fourth is because as soon as Anges basic tactics got unpicked by every other manager he didn't adapt and close down the holes that were being exploited every week, or every have a plan b. Thats why after the first 10 games, the next 28 would have left us 11th. Classic example was the set-piece debacle, where every game we were conceding goal after goal because of the outdated zonal marking he was using....it took him 2 months to fix that. And his whole attitude was "it's fine mate" while we are looking like morons every week. We got 5th despite Ange.
@@leesmusic1 how can you say anges tactis got unpicked when arsenal and city both struggled against spurs, and how could villa lose 4-0 if ange is such a bad manager lol. On top of that you have the players coming out every week saying how much they love the style of play and that its is the way forward and that everyone needs to get behind ange and the team
@@irvincindrak1236 yeah in the first ten games we got a draw against Arsenal, but they beat us comfortably (as usual we only scored when we had already lost the game), and City beat us twice last season plus a draw. And yes, we beat Villa, that was a great result, we then went and lost 3-0 to Fulham. And yes, players don’t come out saying “this manager is setting us up to fail every week with this high line and lack of pragmatism” because they wouldn’t ever play again. You will notice a lot less of that after the first ten games by the way. Basically Ange got found out after the first 10 games, based on our results this year we would have finished 16th
@@leesmusic1 i was referring to the latest games against arsenal and city. Arsenal scored two set piece goals which you can criticise ange for but the general play was good and arsenal had way less XG than spurs. the game against city was close, spurs had more possession and city had higher XG but thats because their goals were 0.9 & 0.8 XG. Thats against the two best teams in the league, that have spent more and had more time. Both arteta and pep praised spurs/ange after the games. On the thing about the players. I get that players wouldnt criticise their manager after games,. My point was that they post stuff on social media after games, or go out of their way in interviews to mention the manager and talk about his ideas and how much they believe in the work theyre doing under ange.
@@irvincindrak1236 ok. So Arsenal, yeah, we conceded 2 set piece goals because Ange didn’t think it was a priority to defend set pieces, so took 2 months to fix the problem of using zonal marking despite conceded set piece after set piece. So essentially we probably lost that game because of him although we only started playing when we had already lost and Arsenal took their foot off the gas. The city game is when after 37 games he suddenly worked out that maybe you be a bit more pragmatic against top teams and actually drop back a few yards, and that after 5 months he worked out that playing a 30m defender wanted by Bayern in Dragusin, was a better call than using Davis or Royale. We still lost but we played better, however even in that game Walker constantly kept getting in with acres of space because VDV was inverting, and again a competent manager would have at least fixed that at half time and told him to stay on the left, but not Ange, so the same thing kept happening second half. Listen, I want to be wrong, I hope the players are right and we are brilliant next year. Unfortunately the eye test and evidence is telling me this is an incompetent manager who doesn’t fix issues, isn’t pragmatic and has no plan b. So essentially every game we are set up to fail and have a mountain to climb to overcome that, which is why we even make hard work of poor teams, and get run over by the good ones. Do you not see all this and worry?
Your article caused a ruckus on “X” 😂😂😂😂😂 I also find it weird how blind you both were to what actually happened in the stadium. Friends went and they said spurs fans were cheering the man city goal … not a lot but a portion in the home stand. Ange would have seen it and been progressively annoyed
“VAR abolitionist” 💀💀💀
Nah his patience won’t snap in Australia - we know not to push it for this
How people can say the game is worse with VAR is baffling to me
The mistakes before were horrendous, and they were never reviewed
People now are complaining that an on field decision changes when a ref getd another look
People say the game is worse because people can no longer spontanously celebrate the ball hitting the back of the net like they used to. Instead they wait for the green light before cheering and by then the moment has gone.
What are you talking about, mate? The footballing side of Spurs has been decimated by ENIC & Levy since they took over in 2001. While no Spurs fan will deny Levy's prowess in improving the club's financial aspect, over the past 24 years, we've been inundated with promises, yet all we have to show for it is one league cup. Despite hiring many good and great managers, we fail to provide them with the necessary tools for success. The departure of our top players due to Levy's lack of ambition has been deeply disheartening. Our spirit and mentality have been completely shattered.
Regarding Ange, what difference do you believe he will bring? Can Ange truly alter the way Levy operates? While Ange is a talented manager like those before him, it is unlikely that he alone can change Levy's approach. It's time to stop deluding ourselves by expecting different outcomes from the same management.
Can Postecoglou fix Tottenham's 'fragile' foundations?
LOL Are you even serious?! Three of their own managers roasted those chickens, forget about opposition players and managers making fun of them. They are just a meme club.
TO DO THAT YOU NEED A TEAM OF PSYCHOLOGIST and some
Never been so embarrassed as a football fan to see professional journalists describe themselves as a “var abolitionist”
If you want to scrap var something is seriously wrong with you
Saving you 30 mins . The answer is not really
I really don't get this debate everywhere in the media. Obviously, as Spurs fans, we want our team to win and win trophies. That hasn't happened for 16 years now, and hasn't happened this season. Is that our fault? No. Ange himself has gone on and on and on about how unimportant 4th place is all year. Given that that was the only (still faint) possibility of any kind of success from this particular match (something that I'm getting sick of as being 'the measure' for our club anyway over recent years), why on earth is it surprising to so many seemingly that with no trophies or tangible success on offer to us as fans again this season, that we wouldn't want our direct bitter rivals to win the PL? Sick of this pointless debate. COYS
Exactly, there is no need for any of this bs. The whole narrative is that this is a rebuild season and we should focus on improving performance rather than place in the table. Everyone would have forgotten about this in a day or two but I don't know why Ange has to come out and say all these things about mentality. This just gave extra ammunition to rival fans who already mock us because of the lack of trophies. He shot himself in the foot with this one. COYS
Not wanting Arsenal to win is one thing. Cheering City's goals is another. If the fans had stayed quiet as the goals went in, but to actually celebrate smh. Also Arsenal ain't your rivals anymore than Fulham are Chelsea'. During Arsenal' worst period and Spurs' best, how many trophies did Spurs win?!...
@@Songstarify "Arsenal ain't rivals anyone"???? In the last decade we finished above Arsenal 6 times, have a much deeper champions league run than them and so much more. The only thing you can get back on is that we didn't win any trophies.
There is a video when an Arsenal fan was asked if he is willing to lose the europa league final if that means Spurs also lost the Champions league final and he said yes. So much for the winning mentality. If I find that video I'll share it here.
Spot on!
You’ve taken Ange’s top 4 comment out of context Richard. He has maintained that he wants to win the league. He doesn’t care about top 4 as you don’t get a trophy for 4th, you get one for winning. It’s not that he doesn’t care about where he finishes - he wants to win. He has said he is disappointed where we finished but agreed that we have performed where we are at the moment. If you have a mentality that 4th is okay, you will get 4th and nothing more. You have to want to win.
He needs a lot of time to instill a winning mentality in this club
but Tottenham's DNA is losing, so it will be a massive challenge for Ange.
Man City was transformed into a winning machine by the investments and great coaching by Pep.
Ange needs more signings and a change in the club ownership potentially
Tottenham pre ENIC. Even tho they were not very good in the league they won quit a few trophy’s.
Interesting we haven't seen the 3-3-3-1 he used with Australia towards the end... as we only had cahill and no good wingers but we had good wingbacks... i think this could work... a back 3 of vdv-romero-dragusin.
Surely Tottenham should be targeting Mats Wieffer. I'd imagine he'd be your £40 million Rodri clone.
Athletic pod, sign me on. Top top for an avid football fan 🙌
People are completely forgetting how Klopp had players who were not fit for purpose playing his gegen style on his first season and got rid of those who just couldn't do it or were not good enough to do it.
No idea why Ange is expected to change what he does to accommodate the rubbish players.
Ten Hag is one of the few managers at the top flight I've seen forsake their own style to suit the lower level of the players.
That doesn't work out for anyone in the end.
Seeing “less [cheering for City] than you thought there would be” is not a backwards endorsement of the loyalty of Spurs fans, you get that, right Jack? Desperate gaslighting, mate😂
Ref..VAR,,,Loved Ange's take on moving to Sweden 😂
Charlie, please don’t tell me social media is your world….!
My number 6 shout would be Angelo Stiller from Stuttgart
Onward and upward Ange! 10% of the Spurs fans should be ‘transported’ to Tasmania, Australia. You cannot develop a winning culture at spurs if your focus and priority is an opposition team (Arsenal).
Nobody is asking Ange to make Arsenal his focus and priority, literally no serious fan has asked for that
10:50 Ange doesnt get it. if Spurs won the game, Arsenal fans would have something else to batter spurs with. Its not a mentality its an insecurity. Spurs want to win but helping their rivals by winning against man c creates more ammo for Arsenal that spurs fans do not want against them. Winning at all costs is not where spurs fans are at in their journey, if spurs had won a cup and then ‘helped’ arsenal win the title, it would have been less of an issue.
As they say in Australia. Ange cracked the sh#!$. That’s all.
VAR is a good idea but poorly implemented but the rules of football have been buggered about with and have become too vague and open to interpretation.
what are you talking about, most of the rules have always been open to interpretation, most are subjective. name me some rules that are now more vague or open to interpretatoin than before (and when the rule changed and what the rule was before)?
Ha ha ha!! How? The whole culture of that club is pathetic. Their fans did the poznan when opposition scored against them… you can’t recover from that 😂
Liverpool should do all they can to get him, he would make the transition almost seamless. United as well, could do with an ambitious leader of men
Fragil foundations? What does it mean could you explain that to me,please
Can they not implement a version of VAR like they have in cricket where each club has a limited number of VAR calls per game that they can make so as to re-evaluate referee decisions and/or the referee has all the right to ask the VAR referee for a decision recommendation.
Hearing spurs fans complaining today that they didn’t get top 4 yet they were cheering the opposition and willing the team to lose last week is just too stupid….🤦🏽♂️😂
They need 3 midfielders. Bentancur and Maddison were poor after injuries. Biss, PEH and Skipp are poor. Its Spurs big weakness.
Big Ange is looking for the exit hope he lands at a big successful ambitious club. Spurs will never change theyve built a culture of mediocrity that is hard baked into the clubs dna
He thought he joined an ambitious club. False advertising, he has every right to go.
@@JJJ-bs8sm Facts I don't blame him one bit. It's only a question of when not if. The writing is on the wall
At first glance I thought Charlie was Bentacaur 😮😆
It's a tough job for Ange in my view.. those spurs fans don't have a spine at all
It's certainly a tough job for him if he thinks worrying about the fans is part of that job
You guys are working overtime these days. Big up! Big Ange will come through as long as we follow the gaffer. It's not a short terms easy fix as we all know.
Absolutely do NOT agree with CE and JPB on abolishing VAR. Calls that were outrageously missed will GREATLY increase - compared to relatively small number of VAR travesties. VAR needs a serious revamping there is no doubt to speed up its work. But to sacrifice it for the almighty 'flow of the game' is to bow to an ancient artifact that sometimes must be sacrificed for getting calls correct. American football, basketball and hockey have been living with this for decades. Yes, it's a bit of pain to have to wait for a final disposition sometimes but overall fans accept it for a more fair result. ...I just can't get that Maradona 'hand of god' goal out of my mind - all these years later. Would NEVER have happened with a good VAR system.
Find it telling that spurs fans are the only ones "confused" by anges comments - i think everyone else is behind him.
Interesting also to see so called spurs writers be equally one eyed as the fans. Postecoglus frustrations are way more then fair, yet these two try to spin it as an irrstional blip.
The man deserves better: this joke of a club has played their best football in years and if i was in their position i would buy in whole heartedly and get behind the manager and the team. Spurs fans continue to see themselves as a big club yet are happy to bow out of champions league at the sake of arsenal not winning the league. Guess they have the Audi Cup to keep them happy 😂😂😂
Anything on Villa?
I've heard one very big and ambitious club is hiring in Bavaria. You know what to do Ange. Chicken FC will never change
Auf Wiedersehen Ange
Bayern are leery of non-German speakers and at 58 he won't learn the lingo.
Man U more realistic.
Ange calls out the fans one time and everyone forgets the guy has zero tactical nous and has been on a downward slope for most of the season.
@@user-bp1be1yg2hso how are you guys in 5th . Maybe you should put your hand up for the job.
@@user-bp1be1yg2h
Took far too long to bring in Dragusin, stating that he did not want to risk VDV injury ? wtf Ange you were ok risking Emerson losing us 6 pts, then trying to train up skippy for LB wtf ? The word is that you were sulking with Dragusin because of his opinionated Agent, you need to grow up mate !
😠
Move Dragusin to partner Van De Ven in his preferred position and try Romero in pre season as our 6. Bring in anothher back up central defender
Lol at the Journos. Defending the mentality of the crap club at all costs. What is this Jack guy even on about? His comments are delusional.
Mourinho and Conte couldn't fix it so how is Ange going to do that? Spuds have a weak mentality. They'll always be a small club.
no, Ange is a winner on a loser team.
So now it is not only the fans fault but also the team's fault ? nothing to do with Ange !
@@TooDarnSoulfulwell, let's look at the common factors.
Ange has won trophies wherever he's gone.
Spurs haven't won a trophy in almost a generation, despite hiring more than one of the most decorated and prolific title-winning managers in world football.
Spurs are losers. It's their identity. It's their history. It's who they are.
No other fanbase would actively want their team to throw a game AND CL football just to deny their rivals a trophy.
@@meko98743 So yes it is all the fan's fault and nothing to do with the managers. maybe we should put the fans in charge of training eh ? 😆🤣
Ange isn't a winner lol. He's only won with Celtic, who win regardless of the manager in what is probably the most pointless league in the world. He's a loser who has spent most of his career down under.
@@meko98743 Every other fanbase would want the same for serious rivals - keep it real dreamer !!
no he cant, as long as enic still own the club.
Ban English fans from speaking on var
Doubt it considering he’s one of the reasons they’re so poor at the back. That whole “we stick to our principles, mate” against Chelsea with 9 men was so cringe. He’s just not a very good manager and will likely never win anything significant in England
Absolute losers
Focus on yourselves and your own club. You will never surpass Arsenal so why bother on them widening the gap
Now you’ll have a Europa budget; we will have UCL Money, and the gap will continue to grow
With a bit of luck you could win a European Trophy..
UCL money for Tottenham will only be wasted, like it always has been
Joris chotard from Montpellier from Ligue 1 spurs no. 6
Spurs fans couldn't win. If they want Spurs to lose to stop Arsenal winning the league, they have a small mentality and are embarrassing. However, they cheer them on to victory then they're ultimate 'Spursy' and a laughing stock because they hand Arsenal the title. I didn't cheer on City, and I disagree with any Spurs fan who actively did cheer, but I was not as upset at the loss because it had that positive tinge of affecting our biggest rivals joy, still not happy though. I asked the Arsenal fans I play football with if the roles were reversed would they want to win to hand Spurs the title and they all said they would not want Arsenal to win, so I think it's easy for people to say "Small club mentality" when they don't have to face that reality.
Wouldn’t be in this position if you hadn’t lost 5 of the last six 🤷♂️ Spurs only have theirselves to blame tbh
Next time I hear a fan whinge about Spursy tag, I will remind them there is nothing more Spursy than hoping your team loses.
I wouldn't have cheered Man City's goals if I was there, but I was still glad my team lost.
I can control my actions, but I can't control how I feel, I just desperately didn't want Arsenal to win the league, I don't care if people call me sad or whatever, so long as Arsenal don't win the league I won't _feel_ sad
Trossard is the person you want in Son's place
Still no talk of Villa.
It's a one off. Plummet next season
Im all behind ange here. Hes right. Tottenham are tinpot.
Fix Levy and all will be good
Arsenal supporters just find this hilarious to be honest. If we don't win the league this season, we fully believe we'll win it in the very near future. We don't care what Tottenham do because we are the main characters in our story.
Chelsea were 13pts behind Tottenham at the beginning of April… Tottenham BOTTLED IT but Arsenal will get more heat for not winning the league 🤣
Not many #9’s better than Richarlison? What has he really delivered for Tottenham? Barely anything… but his international status could be a problem with his willingness to go to Saudi Arabia.
Ange is angry!
Worst fans in the world.
Ange should leave this wee club in London lol...
villa villa villa thats al we hear on teh athletic this week ;) can you please stop talking about villa qualifying for the champs league for the first time in 41 years and think of something else to podcast about ;)
Do you really want to hear a conversation in which someone might bring up Peter Withe?
@@steveblundell7766 yes please :)
Spurs just became my least favorite team. I dislike them more than Utd
Suk ur nan
Oh no please don't say that, when the club find out they will be absolutely devastated !!!
@@steveblundell7766 go play for the pub league
Var hate is a hipster opinion
Ayo being an arsenal fan having a hard time
Every media outlet is doing their best to take this way out of proportion. It was one game which fans wanted to throw at the sake of their rival fans holding a title over them for 20 years, not a whole bloody season or something. Its a once in a lifetime position which the fans were put in which i'm sure every other fan would feel if the shoe were on their foot.
Big difference with the points trying to be made in his rant and conte/mourinho's ones. His reason is to show his opinion to the fans. Their's was to cover their asses and pass the fault of their own downfalls to anywhere else other than themselves!
To be clear, the fans did not want Tottenham to "throw" the game. They expected 100% effort from the team and the manager, but its only natural for the fans to want to spoil Arsenal's party when everyone knows this Spurs team isn't yet ready to do anything else
Through all the season arsenal fans / Manutd fans /Liverpool fans didn't care Tottenham Top4 but all of sudden they started caring about it😂 like it was ome sort Trophy like any had chance winning the UCL 😄 get the tf out u crowns . U didn't give a sh*t about our top4 u just mad that spurs ain't gifting Arsenal easy Premier league Trophy after 20 years of 0 Premier league 😏 .
Tottenham lost to Man City because they miss chances and they have a rubbish defence, its been like that all season, what some fans might want has nothing to do with the result
Ange doesn’t know what he’s doing and is the wrong fit for Spurs. Scotland is about his level and he clearly thinks the school boy tactics that work in that league can also be deployed in the premier league. He’s a walking disaster and the players don’t buy into anything he says, the fans don’t believe his lies about winning stuff in the future, and he’s generally on borrowed time with the club. I’m amazed the fans haven’t turned yet, but that is coming up very soon. The fans will turn against Levy and then Levy does what he always does when that happens which is to fire the manager asap. ANGE OUT NOW!! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH WITH THIS FREAK SHOW OF A TEAM HE PUTS OUT EVERY WEEK!!
You have a loser's mentality. Losers focus on winners. Ange was 100% right in everything he said. I actually like Spurs, but it's very easy to see why your team consistently fails.
One question... Name a Spurs player in the last 20 years who's main attribute was tackling and work rate...
Exactly!
Small club mentality by Arsenal losing to Villa twice just to keep Spurs out of top 4
Rubbish. Arsenal want to win the league. No tanking involved.
Football management had changed, Ange wants to change mentality and culture, I just want the manager to get a grip and win some games !
What you want is the Chelsea budget mate. Ange with the Spurs budget has to earn success. It takes time. Look up Clear Thinking.
@@glennmaillard5972 I will tell you what I want, who do you think you are ? Look up clear thinking FOR YOURSELF !
Ange was deflecting his dismal performance in 2024
His performance was okay for a first season, but next season he needs to do better and he needs help from the board to do it
Small time attitude is losing 4-2 away at Brighton, 3-0 away at Fulham and 4-1 away at Newcastle. Maybe he should have been so animated then and maybe we would have already had CL football sewn up
Talk about being clueless, mate.
@@glennmaillard5972 not at all. I’m fully behind big Ange but he’s made a mountain out of a mole hill with this ‘lose to city’ banter, he didn’t even need to comment on it really. Just focus on what he’s doing and leave all that noise. Having a dig at ‘small time attitude’ sticks in the craw when we’ve been heavily beaten by that dross on his watch. Besides, If someone at the club made a comment then just deal with it internally
Ange needs to be more tactful with the press. If I were a Spurs fan, the insinuation I don't have a winning mentality (whether I'd have revelled in losing that match or not) would irk me considering he's a manager more preoccupied with style than doing whatever it takes to win football matches. This is the same manager who basically threw the game vs. Chelsea (H) with objectively stupid tactics for the sake of what? Upholding principles?
If that insinuation came from Mourinho or Conte? No problem, even if I disagreed with them I understand their prospective considering who they are as professionals but not from this clown! If he wants to go there, Spurs fans have every right to judge him on results from here on out, no more hiding behind pretty football.
Fraud and out of a depth.. I will not look at games until he leaves. Why didn’t he get this mad at the ridiculous lack of defence in the last 6 games FOH!1
He’s won the equivalent of league 1. Hes far too arrogant for someone that hasn’t won anything credible
We didn't need another Conte type outburst. If I was paying a guy millions of pounds to coach a football team I wouldn't expect him to publicly embarrass the club.
your club is childish and Ange is an adult.
@@thejoulesthief6841 Cheers.
The fans embarrassed the club
Yeah, because that’s the fans’ job apparently
@@callmedo The fans? You're talking about millions of people. Not sure you can speak about all of them. Pitiful if you are talking about social media.
Sadly Angie’s obstinance and arrogance coming through
He has no right to change the ‘fragile’ foundations as this is a rivalry which is bigger than him. There is no reason to change these foundations - because they are part of *football* never mind tottenham. Every other fan would also feel conflicted in the same position with their derby rival. This is part of the theatre of football, the tribal nature is part of why we love the game and 40,50, 60 years of pain and joy have been lived by some of the fans of which some involve this rivalry. Ange Postecoglu has no right to belittle this let alone try and change it, just as he wouldn’t at any other club. There’s nothing ballsy about speaking the way he has - in fact it’s cheap and small time to be throwing your own fans under the bus to try and earn brownie points with the public. I actually think *he* is the one who needs to grow up, or manage in a country who’s football is sanitised.
Stay a loser your whole life. Ange will move on to a team with supporters who love to win, no matter what the game.
The offside rule & procedures need to be adapted to VAR
1. Base it on foot position only.
Almost all offside decisions could be sped up by locking offside to boot position. No need to draw lines. Players gain the advantage by using their feet anyway, not their backside or shoulder. Part of the delay in VAR is due to the VAR refs deciding which part of the body is furthest back/forward. Nonsense. Simplify it.
2. Have the offside decision immediately be shown on the in ground screen
Do not add yet more waiting time by communicating with the ref, which, in a loud ground can be difficult. Instead, a big red flashing "OFFSIDE" should be beamed straight to the screen.
This would be on top of as much automation & AI involvement as is possible. We should be able to get to a place like before VAR where you would now and then be celebrating a goal only to realise the lino has his flag up a few seconds in. The main problem with VAR is how it can kill celebrations. I don't mind if some decisions are wrong, there are less wrong decisions. It is the dampening of goals that is the issue. Everything should be streamlined to avert this.
I would even go as far as making it the law that all players had to wear kit-based coloured boots. eg. Arsenal home kit = red boots for all Arsenal players. City in home kit = blue boots etc. if it helped with automating it, but I think players would have something to say about that with all the boot deals etc.
We can't go back to offsides as they were.