Great video footage, I remember visiting the yard early August 1992 and thankfully had Paul mowatt sthil saw,the window panel of 20064 for me, and also 20147 of which I have in my loft very heavy!, then I re visited the yard in think it was June or July 1994 and through the gates you could see 26s and the intercity liveried 25 ethel, I also remember visiting portobello container terminal in Edinburgh when 37 113 ran away and collided with a class 43 head on,just outside of waverley station I remember walking through the engine room with my friend phill, we both got covered in oil that summer night! The 37 was all still intact that night ,2 weeks after the collision it was getting cut up on site! Shame really because I wanted the brass plate radio Highland of the bodyside which was held on well!.
Thank you Ian. Somewhere I have more video from this visit that my friend took I remember he got the class 20 starting up to drag the EMU out We did not know they were cutting the peak up at the other end of the yard and the day after our visit the class 50 was cut I asked how many days and the reply was. Days It will be done in a few hours then we saw how they tore the EMU motor coach apart and knew what he meant about taking hours. We did not get anything to bring back, sometimes I wish I had asked like you did. We had gone by train so limited on what we could of carried. I was on a training course at Slateford and the day the 37 ran away a work mate was taking its photo He thought the camera was going weird as it was not focusing then realised the loco was moving He ran to try and get in the cab but the door was either locked or too hard to open and she got away from him. He had to go to the inquiry and was praised for his action in doing that then using the signal post phone to alert the box. The collision happened close behind the hotel I was staying in and I got a few photos. In those days the railway kept moving and they put single line working in. I rode past the 37 on a train and got photos, by then the HST had been moved on shed and was sheeted over as my train passed. I did not know or do not remember they cut the 37 on site. It was a mess though so probably not fit to be moved anywhere.
Tragic to see all the ex-Tinsey class 45s that I remember so well. Especially sad is the half of my favurite peak 45145 Scylla being lifted by the crane. A sad end to an old friend...
@cedarcam - I supppose the saddest thing was I had seen Scylla and the other Tinsley Peaks many times, living in Sheffield at the time. Besides 45 149 Phaeton, that was lain at Cricklewood for a long time, NO Tinsley Peak survived from those last survivors. 45 052 Satan/Nimrod had been on many of the final railtours, 45 128 Centaur had much work done to try and restore her. By all accounts, 45 141 Zephyr- for instance- was in very good condition after being switched off.
Yes it was a strange day out The good feeling of seeing the locos for one last time and the feeling of sadness seeing the EMU and Peak being torn apart and cut open. Time was running out when we finnished filming 45 145 being cut and I decided to stop filming there. We wached for a moment as the jaws of death moved in to finnish her off, I really did not want to film that after seeing how they tore into the EMU having also seen her in service on many occasions
Yes to me this was like the death of the railways as I knew them. Now the old trains are replaced with short commuter type trains with little appeal to me. OK the old trains often needed replacing but even the scap yard owner said it was a crime, some trains in there had years of life left in them and had recently been refurbished What a waste of public money in the run up to privatisation
I feel the same There is not much of interest for me running these days either. I do not travel so often as I used to do Some of the new trains are so cramped and with seats that do not line up with windows it is unpleasant to ride in them. I am pleased I can remember when it was a pleasure to ride the rails and I was out most weekends
Yes It is interesting how a change of livery makes a huge difference to a trains looks The BR green was well suited, then in blue that same loco looked very bland whereas another would look better in blue but not in railfreight. Many liked the NSE livery but I tend to agree with you It looked too vivid toy town like to me. I preferred the inter city swallow. Today we have some very bright colour schemes which bring a lot of variety interest to the scene, I still prefer the co operate blue grey though.
Yes it was sheer lunacy in the run up to privatisation you can tell how much more life there was in some of the locos and stock by the fact that those that survived are only just comming to the end of their lives now. They should of invested more in electrification and gradually phased out the old DMU's which, although I liked, were showing their age.
Yes it is I have not been back past here for years but was told the flats had gone and the scrap yard is now built on. I bet a lot has changed round there.
cedarcam I think MC metals managed it in a day. But with a couple of massive pairs of hydraulic shears on tracks, the kind used to break up ships, yes I think a 50 could be seriously mangled in 50 mins. The shears can even break up the engine. Further processing would be needed to extract copper from the generators and motors.
+heelfan1234 Yea we were told it was only a days job with those machines. The engines were not always broken. They were still good to go after reconditioning so many were sold on to other countries. The motors and generators were piled up ready to be taken for copper extraction by another company. MC concentrated on getting the asbestos out which was used in many of our locos for noise insulation. That's why so many cabs were seen left about in our scrap yards. The easy part was breaking the centre section and getting to the bits with most value. As you see the loco we saw was cut in 3 sections first. They had broken the centre section before we got there. The rest was being pre cut and as we left was all but finished. The heavy electric unit remains were loaded in a lorry and the lighter metal stacked up. I guess they had to sort that later as it was covered in insulation (Not asbestos) and Formica
@newblenderbeer It does seem a lot of talk is about saving money these days rather than putting safety up front every time, which seemed to be the way BR worked. If something needed replacing in those days talk was more about how long it would take to do the job than how much it would cost. Now we have a railway that lags far behind the rest of Europe instead of leading the way as we used to
It was sad to see so many good locos torn apart like that At least when the went to Crewe they were taken apart. Time was getting on by the end of the film but I did not feel like filming those pincers any more either. So cruel
Many of the locos in there were as well Take the class 20 for instance It is still running today and many were still running on the main line too The only reason they were scrapped was there was less work for them at that time I wonder if they offered to sell them abroad That would of been better than breaking them up I have seen on here other countries still use locos with the same engine of very similar design
sad sight but inevitable as steam is growing more and more with the new builds but i do like some deisels /class20,s 25,s24,s 08,s and allshunters but mostly steam steam is king .
It was a sad sight that day but the railway had to modernise. I still like steam over diesel. They were so inefficient though. These diesels were a lot better to work with. Sadly many were still in good order and could of been used for a lot longer than they were. Even the scrap man who let us in to film said it was a crime breaking up so many good trains. The class 20 they used is still at work. 08's are a favourite of mine as well.
Some of them had and they had a special area to deal with them as well as the loco cabs which also contained asbestos. The one we saw being torn apart which was out of an EMU had been refurbished and the asbestos was removed during that work. Some DMU's they scrapped probably contained it as well. Some of it was hard to remove and left sealed in when the units were refurbished.
words fail me! old friends being ripped apart! the so called improvment on these just can't do the job and have no soul or caracter! todays railways just dont interest me! its a shame when you look back! but look back and remember these fondly as i do!
I'm surprised you got permission to go into a working yard. I tried it here in dublin in the 90s. I asked for permission to grab a photo of an ex Dublin Bus AN68 Leyland Atlantean sitting at the edge of the yard in the prominent bus breakers in Dublin port. I could see it through the fence from the road. Not a chance they'd let me, even after I gave them my word I wouldn't publicise where I took the photo. They did have a couple of AN68 atlanteans in the car park as well which I certainly had a good look at, photographed and got into as they were in an area accessible to the public. Being the only woman transport enthusiast in Ireland has its drawbacks as well as its advantages! The office thought no way she's a transport nut but I am!
Great video footage, I remember visiting the yard early August 1992 and thankfully had Paul mowatt sthil saw,the window panel of 20064 for me, and also 20147 of which I have in my loft very heavy!, then I re visited the yard in think it was June or July 1994 and through the gates you could see 26s and the intercity liveried 25 ethel, I also remember visiting portobello container terminal in Edinburgh when 37 113 ran away and collided with a class 43 head on,just outside of waverley station I remember walking through the engine room with my friend phill, we both got covered in oil that summer night! The 37 was all still intact that night ,2 weeks after the collision it was getting cut up on site! Shame really because I wanted the brass plate radio Highland of the bodyside which was held on well!.
Thank you Ian. Somewhere I have more video from this visit that my friend took I remember he got the class 20 starting up to drag the EMU out We did not know they were cutting the peak up at the other end of the yard and the day after our visit the class 50 was cut I asked how many days and the reply was. Days It will be done in a few hours then we saw how they tore the EMU motor coach apart and knew what he meant about taking hours. We did not get anything to bring back, sometimes I wish I had asked like you did. We had gone by train so limited on what we could of carried.
I was on a training course at Slateford and the day the 37 ran away a work mate was taking its photo He thought the camera was going weird as it was not focusing then realised the loco was moving He ran to try and get in the cab but the door was either locked or too hard to open and she got away from him. He had to go to the inquiry and was praised for his action in doing that then using the signal post phone to alert the box. The collision happened close behind the hotel I was staying in and I got a few photos. In those days the railway kept moving and they put single line working in. I rode past the 37 on a train and got photos, by then the HST had been moved on shed and was sheeted over as my train passed. I did not know or do not remember they cut the 37 on site. It was a mess though so probably not fit to be moved anywhere.
Tragic to see all the ex-Tinsey class 45s that I remember so well. Especially sad is the half of my favurite peak 45145 Scylla being lifted by the crane. A sad end to an old friend...
Check out Vic Berrys summer 88 blitz on 45069 and the rest.
@cedarcam - I supppose the saddest thing was I had seen Scylla and the other Tinsley Peaks many times, living in Sheffield at the time. Besides 45 149 Phaeton, that was lain at Cricklewood for a long time, NO Tinsley Peak survived from those last survivors. 45 052 Satan/Nimrod had been on many of the final railtours, 45 128 Centaur had much work done to try and restore her. By all accounts, 45 141 Zephyr- for instance- was in very good condition after being switched off.
Yes it was a strange day out The good feeling of seeing the locos for one last time and the feeling of sadness seeing the EMU and Peak being torn apart and cut open. Time was running out when we finnished filming 45 145 being cut and I decided to stop filming there. We wached for a moment as the jaws of death moved in to finnish her off, I really did not want to film that after seeing how they tore into the EMU having also seen her in service on many occasions
Yes to me this was like the death of the railways as I knew them. Now the old trains are replaced with short commuter type trains with little appeal to me. OK the old trains often needed replacing but even the scap yard owner said it was a crime, some trains in there had years of life left in them and had recently been refurbished What a waste of public money in the run up to privatisation
I feel the same There is not much of interest for me running these days either. I do not travel so often as I used to do Some of the new trains are so cramped and with seats that do not line up with windows it is unpleasant to ride in them. I am pleased I can remember when it was a pleasure to ride the rails and I was out most weekends
Ohhh.... that NSE EMU is getting frickin ripped apart....
Yea A 4 car set ripped apart in one day
Trains from early BR period now have charm; that NSE livery was the first livery which really didn't sit comfortably on locos and rolling stock
Yes It is interesting how a change of livery makes a huge difference to a trains looks The BR green was well suited, then in blue that same loco looked very bland whereas another would look better in blue but not in railfreight. Many liked the NSE livery but I tend to agree with you It looked too vivid toy town like to me. I preferred the inter city swallow. Today we have some very bright colour schemes which bring a lot of variety interest to the scene, I still prefer the co operate blue grey though.
Yes it was sheer lunacy in the run up to privatisation you can tell how much more life there was in some of the locos and stock by the fact that those that survived are only just comming to the end of their lives now. They should of invested more in electrification and gradually phased out the old DMU's which, although I liked, were showing their age.
This is Glasgow you can see the now demolished Red Road flats in the background
Yes it is I have not been back past here for years but was told the flats had gone and the scrap yard is now built on. I bet a lot has changed round there.
There's a new shopping development on the site ..
@@gerrynicol3951 OK. Like many old railway yards and rail connected sites , sadly not replaced by industry but by retail and warehousing
@@cedarcam yes it's a shame
What's with the alarm when the digger is scrapping a coach of the EMU?
Peter Downey Its a telephone klaxon Someone calling the yard hoping to save something I hope
+cedarcam It's a message telling them to get the scrap engines cut and ripped apart quicker!
Chop up that old stock and melt it down for scrap!
+heelfan1234 LOL £50 bonus pay if you can break a 50 in 50 mins
cedarcam I think MC metals managed it in a day. But with a couple of massive pairs of hydraulic shears on tracks, the kind used to break up ships, yes I think a 50 could be seriously mangled in 50 mins. The shears can even break up the engine. Further processing would be needed to extract copper from the generators and motors.
+heelfan1234 Yea we were told it was only a days job with those machines. The engines were not always broken. They were still good to go after reconditioning so many were sold on to other countries. The motors and generators were piled up ready to be taken for copper extraction by another company. MC concentrated on getting the asbestos out which was used in many of our locos for noise insulation. That's why so many cabs were seen left about in our scrap yards. The easy part was breaking the centre section and getting to the bits with most value. As you see the loco we saw was cut in 3 sections first. They had broken the centre section before we got there. The rest was being pre cut and as we left was all but finished. The heavy electric unit remains were loaded in a lorry and the lighter metal stacked up. I guess they had to sort that later as it was covered in insulation (Not asbestos) and Formica
@newblenderbeer It does seem a lot of talk is about saving money these days rather than putting safety up front every time, which seemed to be the way BR worked. If something needed replacing in those days talk was more about how long it would take to do the job than how much it would cost. Now we have a railway that lags far behind the rest of Europe instead of leading the way as we used to
@steelcityady your not alone 45145 was my favourite aswell
It was sad to see so many good locos torn apart like that At least when the went to Crewe they were taken apart. Time was getting on by the end of the film but I did not feel like filming those pincers any more either. So cruel
I like seeing old locomotives scrapped and the more violent the destruction the better, though I prefer seeing steam locos getting cut and sliced.
Many of the locos in there were as well Take the class 20 for instance It is still running today and many were still running on the main line too The only reason they were scrapped was there was less work for them at that time I wonder if they offered to sell them abroad That would of been better than breaking them up I have seen on here other countries still use locos with the same engine of very similar design
sad sight but inevitable as steam is growing more and more with the new builds but i do like some deisels /class20,s 25,s24,s 08,s and allshunters but mostly steam steam is king .
It was a sad sight that day but the railway had to modernise. I still like steam over diesel. They were so inefficient though. These diesels were a lot better to work with. Sadly many were still in good order and could of been used for a lot longer than they were. Even the scrap man who let us in to film said it was a crime breaking up so many good trains. The class 20 they used is still at work. 08's are a favourite of mine as well.
the coaches dont they have asbestos or was that still a thing that was not a issue at the time
Some of them had and they had a special area to deal with them as well as the loco cabs which also contained asbestos. The one we saw being torn apart which was out of an EMU had been refurbished and the asbestos was removed during that work. Some DMU's they scrapped probably contained it as well. Some of it was hard to remove and left sealed in when the units were refurbished.
they burn it out most times i think
words fail me! old friends being ripped apart!
the so called improvment on these just can't do the job and have no soul or caracter! todays railways just dont interest me! its a shame when you look back! but look back and remember these fondly as i do!
Happily I am told 20 189 was rescued :)
I'm surprised you got permission to go into a working yard. I tried it here in dublin in the 90s. I asked for permission to grab a photo of an ex Dublin Bus AN68 Leyland Atlantean sitting at the edge of the yard in the prominent bus breakers in Dublin port. I could see it through the fence from the road. Not a chance they'd let me, even after I gave them my word I wouldn't publicise where I took the photo. They did have a couple of AN68 atlanteans in the car park as well which I certainly had a good look at, photographed and got into as they were in an area accessible to the public. Being the only woman transport enthusiast in Ireland has its drawbacks as well as its advantages! The office thought no way she's a transport nut but I am!