Nice vid mate ive been shooting pro sports news events for last 35 years last 10 or so with 1dx bodies my pref is always single spot focussing that way i choose whats in focus at all times. Ive just boight a used R3 should arrive next week lookong forward to seeing the huge step up in performance from what i consider is still an awesome 1dx system. Liked and subbed
Glad you liked the video. You'll love the R3. I still see a lot pf people using the 1Dx and also the Nikon D5 and D850. Those cameras are tried and tested for sports. The autofocus is a game changer. But i still have a single point focus option available as the AF doesn't always do what you want. Good luck with it.
I have my AF-On button set to eye tracking and the shutter button as single point AF. This works really well as I can "coax" the AF system to focus on the correct person and then instantly go to eye tracking of the subject. I just prefer it this way because my index finger is always on the shutter button and my thumb is always on the AF-On button. Obviously takes some getting used to if you're used to only doing back-button autofocus.
Excellent video, particularly from the perspective of the various AF Cases and their impact on the tracking. I've had the R3 from December 21, and been shooting sport extensively. Having initially missed shots due to the subject tracking feature, I've long concluded that its not suitable for team sports where there are a lot of heads/faces in the scene. If I can isolate a player or a manager, then its ideal, otherwise 99% of my shots are single pt AF using the AF-ON button. I've a slightly different variation of the tracking setup with all tracking disabled in the main camera menu, but my * button is my customised button with the tracking enabled. This allows me greater control of where the AF square goes when I select my target, otherwise if subject tracking is enabled in the main menu, the camera decides what the target is and its generally not the one you intended. I've found that subject tracking works brilliantly for motorcycle racing, athletics field events and cricket where the subjects are generally individuals.
Thanks for the great comment. I've been getting better results with one button as single point AF and the other as Eye tracking. The single point is essential in my opinion.
Good video, but I am surprised you didn’t look at the Auto case setting, I understand it recognises the type of shooting you are doing and adjusts AF settings accordingly.
I think what many reviewers and youtube videos uploads like yourself (well done by the way), you need to be clear that all CASES will no longer act as their identified description, WHEN YOU ALTER THE SETTINGS FOR THAT CASE. NOTE: you did actually talk about altering cases later in the video, but don't think you clarified this with respective CASE descriptions. A perfect example of this is when you switched to CASE 3 and read the description for that case, BUT you've modified it from the default settings of 'Tracking Sensitivity of +1, and Accel/Decel tracking of +1, to -1 and +2 respectively. This means it will no longer act as the default case 3 description of 'Instantly focus on subjects suddenly entering AF points'. The same can be said for your CASE 2, as you've modified the default setting for case 2 so it will not act as the CASE 2 description depicts. NOTE: In my opinion there is nothing wrong with your settings or your shoot philosophy, but you'd be better served in just saying MODIFIED CASES instead of CASE 1,2,3, or 4 especially if you've modified them. So if you make every case have the same values like you did for all the cases (from 11:40) they will all act the exact same way. So if you set all cases to -2 locked on and -2 Accel/Decel, they will ALL act exactly the same way. Remember, the description of each CASE is based on the default settings for each CASE which is dictated by the grey triangles that show when you modify the case from the defaults. Simply put, Default settings for each case (denoted by where the grey arrows are) is what dictates the description for that case. I'm actually in the process of filming how I set up my R3 for sports, action and wildlife, as I have 4 Button AF set up on my r3 which allows me to change between cases instantly for different scenarios that occur throughout shooting. Hopefully have that up soon. But well done with the video.
Thank you very much for this clarification. I was thinking that changing those settings within each case made those cases all perform the exact same way, but thank you for verifying.
Thank you! These are the same issues I still have with my R6. What is the focus/setting when you aren’t pushing any buttons? And do you have to hold the buttons down (AF for single point, * for tracking)? The R6II is so much more finicky/spazzes out everywhere I don’t dare use that for sports yet.
Thanks for the comment. I have dual back button focusing. One is set to single point focus and the other set to eye tracking. I set the camera so the continuous auto focus is disabled. I made a video on back button focus set up if that helps - ua-cam.com/video/fMT1Jbx_m-c/v-deo.html
Hi, I used my R5 yesterday for football and use a similar setup except I have the eye detection & single point buttons the other way around. What about using the eye control method that you have as an option on the R3 wouldn't that be the best method or have you found problems using that method ?
Thanks for the comment. I generally don't bother with the eye control function. It just seems a bit gimmicky to me. I'd rather have more control over the focusing.
Nice vid mate ive been shooting pro sports news events for last 35 years last 10 or so with 1dx bodies my pref is always single spot focussing that way i choose whats in focus at all times. Ive just boight a used R3 should arrive next week lookong forward to seeing the huge step up in performance from what i consider is still an awesome 1dx system. Liked and subbed
Glad you liked the video. You'll love the R3. I still see a lot pf people using the 1Dx and also the Nikon D5 and D850. Those cameras are tried and tested for sports. The autofocus is a game changer. But i still have a single point focus option available as the AF doesn't always do what you want. Good luck with it.
@mstarling79 spot on mate picking up the R3 tmorra can't wait cheers
I have my AF-On button set to eye tracking and the shutter button as single point AF. This works really well as I can "coax" the AF system to focus on the correct person and then instantly go to eye tracking of the subject. I just prefer it this way because my index finger is always on the shutter button and my thumb is always on the AF-On button. Obviously takes some getting used to if you're used to only doing back-button autofocus.
Thanks for the input. You make some good suggestions.
Excellent video, particularly from the perspective of the various AF Cases and their impact on the tracking. I've had the R3 from December 21, and been shooting sport extensively. Having initially missed shots due to the subject tracking feature, I've long concluded that its not suitable for team sports where there are a lot of heads/faces in the scene. If I can isolate a player or a manager, then its ideal, otherwise 99% of my shots are single pt AF using the AF-ON button. I've a slightly different variation of the tracking setup with all tracking disabled in the main camera menu, but my * button is my customised button with the tracking enabled. This allows me greater control of where the AF square goes when I select my target, otherwise if subject tracking is enabled in the main menu, the camera decides what the target is and its generally not the one you intended. I've found that subject tracking works brilliantly for motorcycle racing, athletics field events and cricket where the subjects are generally individuals.
Thanks for the great comment. I've been getting better results with one button as single point AF and the other as Eye tracking. The single point is essential in my opinion.
Thanks for the video. Super informative.
Glad it was helpful!
Excellent video and demonstration!
Thank you very much!
Good video, but I am surprised you didn’t look at the Auto case setting, I understand it recognises the type of shooting you are doing and adjusts AF settings accordingly.
Thanks for the comment. I think the Auto case setting would be an interesting video on its own.
400 2.8 , two thumbs up!
Thanks for the comment!
I think what many reviewers and youtube videos uploads like yourself (well done by the way), you need to be clear that all CASES will no longer act as their identified description, WHEN YOU ALTER THE SETTINGS FOR THAT CASE. NOTE: you did actually talk about altering cases later in the video, but don't think you clarified this with respective CASE descriptions.
A perfect example of this is when you switched to CASE 3 and read the description for that case, BUT you've modified it from the default settings of 'Tracking Sensitivity of +1, and Accel/Decel tracking of +1, to -1 and +2 respectively. This means it will no longer act as the default case 3 description of 'Instantly focus on subjects suddenly entering AF points'. The same can be said for your CASE 2, as you've modified the default setting for case 2 so it will not act as the CASE 2 description depicts. NOTE: In my opinion there is nothing wrong with your settings or your shoot philosophy, but you'd be better served in just saying MODIFIED CASES instead of CASE 1,2,3, or 4 especially if you've modified them. So if you make every case have the same values like you did for all the cases (from 11:40) they will all act the exact same way. So if you set all cases to -2 locked on and -2 Accel/Decel, they will ALL act exactly the same way. Remember, the description of each CASE is based on the default settings for each CASE which is dictated by the grey triangles that show when you modify the case from the defaults. Simply put, Default settings for each case (denoted by where the grey arrows are) is what dictates the description for that case.
I'm actually in the process of filming how I set up my R3 for sports, action and wildlife, as I have 4 Button AF set up on my r3 which allows me to change between cases instantly for different scenarios that occur throughout shooting. Hopefully have that up soon. But well done with the video.
Thanks Ryan you made some good points. Looking forwards to seeing the video.
Thank you very much for this clarification. I was thinking that changing those settings within each case made those cases all perform the exact same way, but thank you for verifying.
Thank you! These are the same issues I still have with my R6. What is the focus/setting when you aren’t pushing any buttons? And do you have to hold the buttons down (AF for single point, * for tracking)?
The R6II is so much more finicky/spazzes out everywhere I don’t dare use that for sports yet.
Thanks for the comment. I have dual back button focusing. One is set to single point focus and the other set to eye tracking. I set the camera so the continuous auto focus is disabled. I made a video on back button focus set up if that helps - ua-cam.com/video/fMT1Jbx_m-c/v-deo.html
Hi, I used my R5 yesterday for football and use a similar setup except I have the eye detection & single point buttons the other way around. What about using the eye control method that you have as an option on the R3 wouldn't that be the best method or have you found problems using that method ?
Thanks for the comment. I generally don't bother with the eye control function. It just seems a bit gimmicky to me. I'd rather have more control over the focusing.
Have you tried the focus where you point your eye?
Hi John. I have a few times and i found it to be a bit unreliable. Maybe i need to calibrate it better.