Electric Cars For DUMMIES: Absolutely EVerything Explained
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Baffled by EVs? Rory gives us almost every piece of information you might need to know about Electric Cars. How do they charge, what is a kilowatt-hour, are there different plugs, why do they charge so slowly sometimes, should you buy a used EV? All is revealed.
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We bought an EV about 4 years ago now. We had one EV and one ICE.
3 years passed. We lived with it, we used it, we did long motorway journeys. We did short journeys. We did winter journeys, we did summer journeys. We drove it 30k miles.
We saw what they were actually like.
We now have two EVs.
I wish govts mandated that gas stations must have 4 super chargers in the US. most stations are grocery stores & should benefit even more from electric cars as we need to stay for 20-30 mins
@@aneeshmenon3379 nah mate let the market decide. Fk off with your governments. When the market decieds a winner, then it truely is a winner. Just like the model Y.
Every time I see an electric vehicle I see someone who is fully vaccinated.
You forgot to mention your EVs are worth next to nothing because you paid for disposable junk. If you paid the same money for combustion engine cars they would be worth much much more. Not sure if you car understand you didn’t save any money but you lost a lot instead.
@@pevvex4452 Yep. I'm running a 15 yr old Honda and my ability to go through life not needing to replace everything on a whim means my carbon footprint is far less.
I drive about 30k miles a year and have no problem living with an EV . And if I ever change may car again ,it will be for another EV for sure .
do you charge at home?
@@benjimc1 I drive 65k km peer year and only charger at work I find it way more convenient than stopping twice a week at the gas pump
@Tim_Custers for sure, but not everyone can charge at home or at work. For me, distance isn't the issue, charging infrastructure is.
@@benjimc1 I get it but it looks like you don’t drive with a ev day to day. There are always moments where you stop for “stuff” and there are chargers in place, for example if you go to Lidl there is a 75kw charger there. If your boss is to stubborn to put in charging infarction that’s his loss. He could make his company more attractive.
@Tim_Custers I have had an EV for 2 years. Had workplace charging but only in office 2 days a week, travel 35k/Yr so majority of my charging was public charging. Public infrastructure was sufficient for the first year, but by the end of it the demand outweighed the supply. Now back to hybrid however will go EV again soon as they have just put chargers fairly local to me. However I work from home permanently now and my landlord won't fit chargers on this apartment block, the BiK is the only reason I am going EV again.
Rory is single handedly wiping out much of the ignorance that is out there to do with EVs. Bravo 👏
It’s not ignorance, it’s called disliking a product in what is meant to be a free market
@@nsweeney3970it is a free market, you can keep driving the old school stuff indefinitely, so easily to 2040 and beyond. You might be the only one in your street, but you can. Free choice.
You can always tell the bell ends who drive shitty ev company cars
@@nsweeney3970What do you mean about “free market”? The fact I can’t buy a BYD EV in the US because of crony capitalism? You might have your facts inverted buddy.
@@adam.677 you can always tell the bell end keyboard warriors who feel the need to insult people who make a different choice.
0:10 can you tell the home owner that their gutter isn't attached.
@@SDrtheone well spotted...
You reckon that's Rory's house?😆
@@SDrtheone I can’t believe I had a look to see if you were right 😂😂😂…… eagle eyes 😎😉👍
Rory's garage, probably doesn't notice as it's the garage.
Changed from a tuned 335d to a Tesla M3P and would never go back to ICE. 8500 miles done and has cost less than £200
I smile every time I drive by the fuel stations. Watching people pour £100s a week into their inefficient vehicles.
I think I'm at about £3 a week in nightly electric. Octopus even offer some free sessions.
Being educated has its perks.
You forgot your initial purchase price
@@Markcain268 A new BMW 320i sport is £40k (as entry a spec as I could see), and a new Tesla model 3 RWD is also £40k :)
The latter is notably faster, too! If you want to have competitive performance, you need to be pushing well, well beyond what the performance versions of the EVs do, so they once again come out ahead.
Batteries have dropped down in price hugely, so it's really just the European manufacturers inflating EV prices still. Tesla/MG etc. are all very competitive vs. ICE cars on initial price.
@TheComfiestChair wow, thats 80 times more expensive than my car! Amazing that people fork out £40k on a car then claim they are getting cheap motoring!
@@Markcain268 You are not the target customer. Stick to your 500 pound car.
I admit I was a petrolhead. I loved the feel of living the road while driving the car.
3 years, 150 K miles and 3 EV later: I love EVs. Practical, fun and easy to drive, cheap to run and maintain.
Would I go back to ICE?
I would put a manual, quite sporty one in my drive just to drive on sundays for good old days feel.
Thats about it!
I think Petrolheads get annoyed by Ev drivers who simply use the car as a commuting tool and aren’t interested in going to a Cars and coffee meet or a spirited mountain blast on the weekend. I believe there’s room for both.
@@TIWNA851 EVs have no equivalent to a Miata, 86, S660, etc. because the simplicity and lightness of these cars are antithetical to the EV philosophy. Unfortunately, those are the kinds of cars I tend to enjoy.
Which is to say that as of now, EVs aren't meant to be enjoyed; they are designed for highway commuting, not spirited mountain drives.
@@WhatisaLee Bad take. Take a model 3 for a test drive on a mountain.
@@Sal3600 I like my cars slow and light. It's a matter of preference.
@@WhatisaLee the model 3 feels lighter than my bmw when i drive it. But yes it's a matter of preference. Enjoy the road.
For anyone commenting that they won’t ever own or drive an EV and they haven’t actually driven or been in one…just try one.
I was completely opposed until I drove one and now there’s no way I’d ever buy a petrol or diesel car again. They feel so rough and primitive to drive in comparison and unless you have a glorious V12 or similar, the noise is just annoying once you’ve switched.
@@emjbee101 This is such a good point. Your awesome Sunday drive (e.g. zooming around mountain-y B roads) or track cars are still almost certainly better as an ICE car right now. But how many people really take their cars to a track. I find a good chunk of drivers won't keep to 60 when a B road gets mildly interesting, never mind consider a track.
And that's totally fine, of course, but goes to show that for the vast majority of drivers, there's no driving experience downside, and just the upside of acceleration and a smooth drive.
I do think EVs are more fun cars day to day, though. There's plenty of opportunity to play with ridonk 0-60 times if you're so inclined, for example.
@@TheComfiestChair absolutely, for a lot of driving situations an EV is just a way more relaxing and enjoyable place to be.
@@TheComfiestChair I am surprised people make point about ICE car is better for zooming around. The delayed response in ICE cars kills any joy in zooming about. Whereas with EV you immediately feel the response and can make nicer maneuvers.
EV are disposable junk even dealers don’t want to buy back because they lose value in speed of light. I guess your cars are worth absolutely nothing now. EVs drive badly compared to good combustion engine cars. Evs lose value much faster than combustion engine cars. EVs are more expensive to run with rising prices of energy and insurance. Where is the advantage of EVs ?
@@pevvex4452 how many times have you driven an EV? I’m going to guess zero?
Significantly cheaper to run. Costs me £5.60 for 300+ miles of range. Insurance is the same cost as my ICE car. I bought second hand and let the value drop out. Smoother to drive, more relaxing and arrive feeling less tired after long journeys. Instant performance when you want to go quickly. Servicing cheaper as way less to go wrong.
To be honest, you clearly know the square root of nothing about EVs and it shows from your reply.
Here in France there are thousands of EVs and very very few pot holes, it has more to do with road maintenace than the weight of the cars. We have a Dacia Spring and we love it and always charge at home at night using a domestic plug.
I'm 4 years into an EV, on my second EV, and I will never go back to ICE cars.
- I've saved over £7k on fuel
- EV's are quick, easy to drive, quiet and very smooth
I think the fuel cost difference is often understated due to the fixation on rapid charger prices.
Vs. a 40mpg car, a fairly standard EV (3.5m/kWh) charged at home off-peak (which is easy to do - presuming you can charge at home - and even easier if you install a smart charger) will cost 1/8th as much to go one mile. That's £1400 less per 10k miles with a £1.40 petrol price.
When you're rapid charging at a service station, and you aren't using the Tesla ones (you should! Many are open to all cars now and they're much cheaper) a 3.5 mile/kWh electric car will instead be about 25% more expensive vs. £1.40. So, about the same as paying service station petrol prices I suppose.
You can always tell which bell ends drive shitty ev company cars 😂
@@SDK2006b I am genuinely curious, how did the fuel saving compare to the car depreciation? You are on your 2nd EV, why? Was it because your lease or company car was up for renewal or was your EV losing battery performance? Again, not trying to get a reaction, genuine questions.
@@scottsteele765 - my EV’s are obtained through salary sacrifice. So I pay a fixed price for 3 years for the car, which includes insurance, maintenance and tyres.
Lol they don't seem to last long, most people buy a new one every 2 or 3 years, I've kept £500 old bangers on the road for longer !
Superb job, simply and clearly explaining all things EV. Rory presented so well, he truly is the GOAT.
One minor "correction" would be the time to charge on a 7 kW home charger. It actually is only 5 seconds per night. 5 seconds to plug in, and you are done. No need to stop at a petrol station on the way home.
One other thing: Where did the 3.6 kW charging from a 3-pin UK plug come from? AFAIK UK plugs were found not to be good for their 13 A rating, so EV charging must be limited to 10 A. At 230 V, that would be 2.3 kW, not 3.6.
Thanks for the video. I learned a lot. But for me it's not just about climate change. Simply reducing pollution is a significant health benefit. I recently serviced my car and seeing the old air/cabin filter made me realise how much pollution we potentially breathe.
I'm the same. I just don't want an exhaust pipe near me anymore & I also want independence from those who distillate the 🛢 (& all the vampires that tax it).
If that helps the climate, it's just the cherry on top.
the "start cleaning the room" analogy was perfect in answering the point of "but electricity comes from coal"
It's also worth mentioning that even with a completely incorrect view that the grid is still like the 1970s, having that pollution happen at power stations instead of in the middle of residential areas would still be better for air quality.
The fact that the 1970s were half a century ago and things have dramatically changed just makes things much better!
From what i heard the brits barely use coal
@@ganymede6535 we decommissed the last plant recently :) We are about 60/40 renewable + nuclear, vs. gas right now. So the idea of it coming from coal is from those woefully out of date.
We get quite a lot of our power from wind, seeing as we're a blustery island clinging onto Europe.
@@TheComfiestChair thank you for proving my point
@@TheComfiestChairnot to mention that people often forget about the fact that even dirty coal plants are going to be more efficient than an internal combustion engine not to mention all the cost of producing the gasoline and transporting it to stations
😅 i said exactly that, I will never….in stubborn resistance because i thought they were taking away something i loved. I have now de-iced and own two, and boy am i glad i did. A lot of blind rubbish on YT so thanks to Rory for his usual engaging take on things
My first electric car is a 2024 Cadillac Lyriq.
I always enjoyed the way that my mother’s Cadillac XT5 drove and I wanted one for myself because my Hellcat Charger and my Jeep SRT were complete gas guzzlers.
But I wanted something bigger. I am 6’6” and she’s 5’9. My father is 6’0”.
I wanted a luxury car that I could drive without having to deal with the massive gas consumption. Normally: I would have bought a Mercedes S class S 500 (rather than S580) because my father and my aunt both have one and I’ve seen how horrible that car is on gas and how expensive the insurance is.
I purchased and held Tesla stock for years, but I could never bring myself to buy one of their cars because of the boring and plain interior.
My Cadillac LYRIQ is fully loaded: heated/ventilated/massage seats, power moonroof, 19 kW upgraded charger, 22 inch wheels, etc.
After having owned an electric car, I’ve learned a lot about electric cars and the infrastructure and the politics behind them. For me, it’s been a social experiment. I enjoy my car and I love my car. I’m actually looking forward to Cadillac releasing the Escalade iq and the VISTIQ.
One of the things that I enjoy about having my electric Cadillac is charging at the public charger and meeting new people. It’s a networking opportunity that most people don’t think about.
I meet married women, single women, men who own businesses, car, enthusiast, etc.
As a BMW 3 series owner, I never imagined i would drive an EV. When we needed to get a second car to help with the school run, an EV seemed like the most logical option (my son's school is 16 mikes away, so we do ~65 miles daily).
We got the 2024 Tesla Model 3 and we've been blown away ever since. The tech, cost savings and performance are just unbelievable. E.g We've done 1,250 miles in the Tesla and at 7p/kwh overnight charging only, it has cost us less than £20. Similar distance in the 3 series would have cost £180.
It's a no-brainer.
Probably the most sensible and informative view of EV’s I’ve ever seen, quite unbiased and educational.
Can I add, I just pay as I go on longer trips as the savings I make during my normal driving makes up for the extra charges on these longer journeys, and at home I only charge from a granny charger when at 20%
I want to thank you Rory for this review of EV use, I've decided to purchase my first EV and second vehicle to my DD SRT, a Honda Prologue. can't wait to experience the EV revolution for myself.
I have a rather easy prediction: you will love your new EV.
I am on my 2nd EV, just got back from a 691 mile trip and only needed a 15 minute stop each way as one of the venues we visited had AC 11kWh charging and we were there for enough time to top up. Even paying for these charges it has cost only £55. Most of the time it is less than £4 charging with Octopus Intelligent at 7p per kWh to get another 270 miles of range.
Savings from my Audi Q5 has been over £250 per month and this enabled me to get a new EV as it massively reduced my monthly outgoings.
Well explained and this is a fantastic video dispelling many of the myths. Well done Rory.
I'm an auto enthusiast, owned many fun cars. Now I'm an EV auto enthusiast and owner of a Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD. I love the benefits of driving EV and they aren't boring. Mine is very quick and fast enough. 0-60mph is 3.7s, 233kph top speed, and handles really well (I mean, really well). I have saved far more $$ in not paying for gasoline to close the gap on the difference between my last car and this car (even though this Tesla has more power and I like it better).
I wanted to say that this was a very good introductory EV video.
Note: I dislike the fake noise that EVs and hybrids are forced by the government to make. Also, many regular gas vehicles are extremely quiet as well - to the point that you may not even hear them coming when they're moving slowly. I think the forced fake noise on quiet cars should be dropped. It sometimes spoils the quiet car thing.
Which "fun" combustion cars have you owned out of interest?
How does yours go from 0-60 in 3.7s? this is not true. I have one and it does not go that quick unless you have the performance model.
Rory is the smartest motoring journalist working today. In a profession that has historically been against any sort of change he stands out. Also a great presenter.
Great informative video Rory! Thnx a lot! As a driver of the Zeekr 001 Privilege I’m a big fan of EV’s. Don’t fly anymore, no more meat, no more petrol. All for the environment!
You lost me at no more meat lol. One must still have something to give him the will to live 😂
@@bighit20100 Women and Beer?
@@solentbum Before you know it, they will claim both are bad also and you need to stop that as well lol. Climate crazies just overdo it.
I have to say Rory's comment that "you can program your car, or wallbox, to charge at night while the country sleeps" gave me pause. Living in the states my whole life, the idea that the whole country sleeps at the same time was a total mind-bender! 😂
Sold my bmw m cars and bought an EV, I save a fortune and it’s a much more refined driving experience. EV is the perfect daily driver!
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@@nsweeney3970 go drive one and you’ll see what I mean
@@craigroberts3732 dont bother people like nsweeney are just smooth brains and rather keep paying through the nose. I came from an Audi RS.. like you.. saved massively. Also living in Aus I can charge from solar for free very reliabily.
@@z00fbar you're right. I'm sure you and I both enjoy ICE cars but for daily driving an EV is a no brainer
We did the same. Replaced a BMW M50d with a Tesla. The new car was cheaper, goes quicker, has lower running cost, and is a lot more fun. Never going back. However, the main reason for swapping was our insight that we can't go on burning fossil fuels, we wanted to do our share for the environment. But after we did, we quickly realized how much better EVs are compared to the now aging 120 year old ICE technology.
I have owned multiple I.C.E. vehicles. Now I have a 2022 Chevrolet Bolt EV, and I love it! I won't be buying another I.C.E. vehicle.
That’s not a car it’s a shoebox
do I own an EV? - yes. did I still watch the whole video? - YES
Not a huge ev fan as a petrol head but can see their place as utility vehicles for the right people, never got my head around all the different wattage stuff but this was really helpful
I respect people making an informed decision
It's not that difficult. kW equals horsepower, kWh equals liters of fuel.
Drive one, maybe the Ioniq 5N, and you will see performance ice is the Nokia of cars. Electric motor and its performance characteristics are far far far better traction solution. Torque curve is amazing. And with the fun of the 5N features, I can’t think of what you need from ice. Sure the sound… but progress means change. I’m happy with that loss.
@@Pilch9 Exactly. Electric performance cars are such a huge improvement over ICE cars, it's amazing. Better in every aspect, except for the usual suspects (range and quick refilling). If silent motors are better or worse is of course a personal preference. But I think we've been conditioned the past 100 years to associate power with that sound that ICEs need to make according to their working principle. If motors had been silent all the time, and someone came up with an engine that makes loud noise, I bet everyone would hate it.
for me silent motors are better cos as I'm reading 60 in less than 4 seconds I am alerting nobody. at night the police are off chasing an ICE going 0-60 in 7 secs 3 streets over because they are making so much noise. I'm simply stealthily zipping around.
Everyone prepare for the inevitable "I wIlL nEvEr BuY aN eLeCtRiC cAr!!!1" comments.
Well personally i won't but they're cool, no denying that.
Well sorry for having a passion about cars 🙄
I would love to. But I will not until we can move away from Li-ion batteries and until countries won't upgrade their grids.
"Life is full of disappointments and I just added you to the list."
@@Alexperrin98 you can have a passion about electric cars too. Theres only small number of differences. Fuel source being one thing, and the engine being another.
I think one of benefits of an electric vehicle is you could make your own “fuel” with solar panels and maybe wind.
well done, so many idiotic click baiting anti EV videos on UA-cam, EVs are the future.
Not everyone's future, only 18% of the world population actually have a car.
@@Markcain268 Soon it will be the future of every driver. EVs are that much better. No regulation required. lets see in 15 years though. Its only the begining.
There's a crazy number of UA-cam channels that do literally nothing but anti-EV stuff. I can only presume they're well-funded from the oil lobby.
There are a huge number of channels that do literally nothing but anti-EV stories. Wonder who funds them...
The biggest benefit of EVs is definitely the air quality in towns and cities for pedestrians, cyclists. A side benefit is less CO2. Maybe it's time for all ICE vehicles to have the exhaust output piped through the cabin before it's allowed on the street and that may get the penny to drop for the Luddites
Very fair if you ask me
Great video thank you! I'm already an EV convert but this sort of thing really nails a lot of the queries that people considering EV's have. And those who aren't too!
Honestly I would never go back now. On the rare occasion I drive an ICE car it just feels like there's something wrong with it! All noise and vibration and so sluggish!
I'm on an EV for over a year now. My wife still has an ICE car (Audi A4 252 hp). Haven't used it for some time until yesterday. I always thought it's a very nice car. But after getting used to the EV, it was just a horrible experience driving this old tech. Had the feeling it was unwilling to react on my gas pedal input.
It's always the same. Once you get used to something better, what felt good until then suddenly feels old.
I’ve had ICE, HEV, PHEV and now EV. There is no way I’m going back to ICE… Hydrocarbons are so last century.
Electric is sooo modern, actually it predates ice 😂
@@Markcain268 not development wise. We’ve hit peak ICE.
@@Markcain268 Its true that EVs came out more than 100 years ago but current EVs shit on ICE.
8:50 that is assuming you can charge at your destination at a fast rate
The clue is in the name. Destination chargers don’t need to be ultra-fast as it’s somewhere you are staying at for a considerable amount of time. If it’s only an hours stop and you need a fast charge, that’s not a destination stop.
@@ISuperTed exactly, and it assumes there are destination chargers, but thats not the case in many places since a normal plug that takes more than a day and a half to charge is not really a viable option
Well done Rory. I’m currently driving a hybrid as a company car, but due to tax I’m definitely switching to EV car early 2025. The hybrid has given me a glimpse into the EV world and I’m on board… 👍
Had a VW ID.4 52kwh
Not amazing range but absolutely great car
Having my dual motor Model Y delivered soon!
Do not forget that eventually, the DINO Jus is gonna run out! So the SUN power is unlimited for our puny lives, and most people can use it, charge it at home for free (polar panels).
I will not believe that EV cars are only for the (wealthy ) people, is the choices that you make, and I am driving my second EV and current EV is my e Niro. ❤
Well done Rory. It’s a good explanation despite some of the puerile comments!
However compared to 1 year ago when he made his last video myth busting ev's there's a big change.
@@latsword3513 It's getting there! The first big waves of used cars are helping make it more of an option for more people too (new cars have always been expensive and depreciation heavy).
Considering how expensive petrol is nowadays, and cost of living in general, it's nice for something to finally make the day to day cheaper.
Me and my wife live in the city and getting an EV saved us an absolute fortune.
I don’t think I would buy an EV but I will continue to lease one like we do now.
21:49 “EVs are heavier…”. No, they’re not: BMW 340i XDrive 1,870kg unladen & without fuel. Tesla Model 3 Dual Motor 1,899kg. So, no difference between ‘similar’ cars. Land Rover Discovery 2,718kg, Volvo XC90 2,095kg unladen. So, if we want cars that are lighter to prevent/reduce potholes (for which there is no actual evidence of causation), reduce the number of SUVs on the road.
A more apples to apples comparison would be the BMW I4, which is 2125kg vs the the lighter BMW 340i. There is no petrol equivalent to the Model 3 for us to figure out how much weight batteries in that specific car.
@@AutoTraderTV I can see why you have made that comparison, but the i4 is derived from the GranCoupe ICE vehicle, which is a massive compromise (pun intended). Many EVs have been developed ground-up and are significantly more efficient in their energy use, packaging, mass , etc. My comparison of BMW 340i X-Drive vs Tesla M3 Dual Motor was very deliberate: both ’premium’, 4WD, high-performance cars with a similar price tag. Both are excellent cars for most families. Both 2/3 the mass of a Discovery…
@@AutoTraderTVI guess the question is, why do so many legacy makers struggle to make efficient EVs (both in weight, aerodynamics and motors) to the level of the Tesla Model 3?
Irrespective of drive train most car makers have moved towards heavier, bigger models. The trend will only shift if SUV sales decline
@@latsword3513Good point: ALL cars have gotten heavier due to safety (crash regs, etc), comfort, power, as well as the trend for larger, heavier vehicle styles.
In Australia the cheapest charging time is from 10am to 3pm (sometimes 4pm) because of the amount of rooftop solar flooding the market during the day. I charge at 8c per kWh during this time (about 4p) unless I'm charging for nothing from my solar. It's more expensive overnight (34c), and most expensive in the evening from 5pm to 9pm (75c).
At last a clear and easy for all to understand what EV cars are all about! A brilliant job done by Rory and his team!!
Excellent video spot on the myth busting! Well done. Only thing I think you could of pointed out is EVs require very little to no maintenance like ICE cars do which is an additional cost saving benefit.
Awesome work Rory , complete and informative , for me i'm an ev fan so follow and hear anything you mention but is a great collection and good way to inform the rest of the world ❤
I gotta say.....thinking about NOTHING else....the driving experience of an EV is unrivaled. That alone is enough for me.
Nice clear and simple video. Obviously not made to change people's mind but helpful for newbies.
Absolutely perfect~
These is the gold standard, for how a responsible Auto review UA-camr should be. 👍👍👍
I have been driving an EV for the last 3 years and I love it. So much better to drive no more loud diesel engine and annoying gears.
Don't forget about the stinky smells...
Which is great as a commuting tool. No problem with that. But I still want a Lotus Elise or 911 in the garage for weekends.
@skyworks1621 I think modern diesels are very quiet, try a 1970's diesel for a while, then a modern one will seem like a rolls Royce, and why do you find gears annoying? If used correctly they are very useful and in my opinion add to the enjoyment of driving, I once had an automatic car and it was very boring to drive, just point n squirt, very little driver involvement, safe to say I soon got rid and bought a manual car!
@@Markcain268 The 'go' pedal in my EV gives me much more control than the 19th century idea of a grearbox. The engine is always in the right 'gear' for the circumstances, ready with instant torque , ready with instant application of just the right power to the driving wheels, and ready with just the right engine braking as required.
Remember that the whole idea of a gearbox is simply to cover the inadequacies of the Internal Combustion Engine with its poor power bands and its need to protect the fragile engine from over speeding or over loading.
@solentbum sorry, I like having a manual gearbox, driven autos before and they bore me, most things that involve modern tech tend to bore me, all tech does is take away half the enjoyment in my opinion
I think the most misunderstood "EV" characterisitic is that the consumption of energy depends pretty much ENTIRELY on how you drive it, unlike for an ICE!
Very few people actually understand this, but the energy consumption of a ICE car is only weakly linked to how you drive it, simply because it is so catastrophically in-efficient. Let me try and explain:
An internal combustion engine actually only turns about 15% of the total energy you put into it into useful work, ie getting you and your car around. For the sake of brevity i won't try to explain why this is, but it is a fundamental and practical effect that cannot be avoided (except by adding some form of hybridisation etc). So lets say we have an ICE car with a 100 litre fuel tank, you fill it up, but actually only 15 litres are being used for useful work, the other 85 litres are wasted (as heat).
So, as your driving style (acceleration rates and speed) or environment (temperature, hilly-ness etc) changes, the bit that changes is actually just that 15% bit, ie the bit you are using for useful work. in all cases, however you drive, whereever you drive, the 85litres is wasted as heat. So, lets say you drive in a style or environment that doubles your "roadload" ie doubles how much energy is used per mile driven, well then, that 15litres is now 30 litres, and increasse of, duh, 15 litres. So to complete a trip that would have taken all of our 100litre fuel tank now requires a 115 litre tank.
The end result of this is that after years of driving cars with ICE's, we simply don't see the vast majority of the effects of poor driving (or bad conditions) because it is swamped by the wasteage that we cannto avoid and that occurs each and every time we start our engine.
With an EV, things are VERY different. Thanks to having a very high efficiency where around 85% of energy is used for useful work, just 15% wasted, pretty much exactly the opposite of the ICE, how we drive the car, and the conditions we drive it in are now directly and un-avoidably seen in the consumption of energy ie how much energy we need to put in, or if we are talking about range between recharged, then our real world range is directly reflected by how we drive it. If we double our consumption by driving poorly, we use another 85% of say our 100kWh battery, ie we need to add an extra 85kWh!
People used to ICEs and hence who have become blinded to their enormous and un-avoidable wasteage that was only tollerable because of the vast reserves of fossil fuels present on our planet, and the low cost of accessing those fuels and burning them in a wanton fashion, see this as a "problem" or "issue" for an EV, whereas if you sit down and understand the difference, it's a problem with the ICE, and not for the EV. Because you cannot avoid this wasteage with the ICE, and you can avoid it with the EV 🙂
I get 450 miles range in 2 minutes. The car is ready to go anywhere at any time. For most of us, that's what we call efficiency.
Not sitting at the back of a parking lot for an hour watching traffic go by. I also get as much heat as I want without reducing my range, that's efficient heating.
@@SteveLomas-k6k - well I plug my car in, takes only a few seconds, then I go and do something more important to me instead. No annoyance of having to babysit the car whilst it feeds, wasting hours of my life minutes on end at each feed. The car is a proper grown up and even lets me know when it's finished feeding itself. It can even feed itself whilst I sleep.
In terms of heat, a petrol/diesel car is wasting 85% of it's energy as heat most of which has to be forced out the front through the radiator else the engine seizes (a very expensive experience). The amount of heat that gets directed to the cabin space is tiny, and very costly. Of each litre of petrol fuel you've purchased (9,500Wh of energy) an ICE car throws away 8,075Wh of the energy, with only about 10% (808w) is recovered for cabin heating. Also, this only works when the car is running and the engine is hot, till then you have to use the car's resistive heating element that runs parasitically off the engine via the alternator. It must be nice to know 75 to 85% of the fuel you buy is being used to heat the outside of the car, even in warm weather. I assume this is what you meant by efficient heating.
In an EV the car warms up nicely and very quickly using a heat pump that efficiently heats the cabin space at a 4:1 energy ratio, meaning the same 808w of energy results in 3.2kW of heating energy. With no energy wasted in heating the outside of the car. EV's even allow you to pre-warm the car before driving off, all without needing to leave an engine running wasting energy.
@@GruffSillyGoat I don't have to find anything else to do to kill time. The car is ready to go in a couple of minutes, and even then I don't have to babysit that.
And I get back into a toasty warm car- the heat is absolutely free, it doesn't cost me a single penny extra to leave it on full blast. it doesn't cost me a single mile of range.
Because as you note, the car is making plenty heat anyway, whether I need it or not. it doesn't cost me a thing not to use it either.
That's just not true in an EV, using heat eats into the battery power, so it must be rationed if you don't want to lose range. Keeping the car warm while charging on a cold day means even more time wasted waiting to go another 100 miles.
@@SteveLomas-k6k - But by your own admission you're babysitting the car whilst it refuels all those minuets wasted add up over your lifetime.
In terms of not costing you a penny to warm the car, this is not true it costs you about 12p per litre of fuel you've bought to heat the car's cabin. The current petrol pump price is about £1.40 per litre (price varies by location). Of this 15% is useful energy to move the car, so £0.21 of the money you spent on fuel actually goes to the car's wheels, the rest (£1.19) is wasted as heat of which £0.12 might be recovered in colder months as cabin heat. So if you happy to literally burn through £1.07 to £1.19 of your own money to heat the world around then you that's your choice.
@@GruffSillyGoat Not really, it's only a couple of minutes but I can buy something or check my phone while it's fueling.
Being a 500 CI/ 8.2 liter engine, it probably makes more heat than that. I have no idea and I couldn't care less, because it makes no difference if I use the heat or not is the point, whatever heat it makes is already included for no extra cost.- I don't have to ration it to get to my destination!
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EV cars are the same as the appliances, that the real truth. We have to accept them as they are. I love the EVs. I am the owner of a md3 Highland... Life can be simpler!
A lot of people get cold feet thinking about it?
I got an insurance quote for a £6000 2010 Audi TTS of ~£380 & a £3000 2013 Nissan Leaf was ~£500. It doesn't make any sense to me. Are EVs generally more expensive to insure?
Yes. Insurance is extortionate. Personally, I think it will either kill off EV's or leave only the rich able to afford one.
The big difference between mining the materials for an EV vs an ICE car is once the EV had been made sll you need to do is keep topping it up with sunshine, with an ICE car you need to drill for oil to convert into petrol or diesel for every mile it drives along the road, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out which one is the most damaging to the planet we all have to live on, even my grandkids can work it out in a few seconds.
@@GaryV-p3h And, of course, let's not forget that once the material is out of the ground, it makes sense to keep it out of the ground with recycling. Once petrol is burned, it's gone.
Mining sucks, for many reasons, but once you have the raw materials above ground, they will be able to stay there.
My young grandkids seem to get it, my adult son not so much
Your grandkids are probably more intelligent than you are based on that statement. Do you realise where the lithium (a non renewable material) comes from that is in the enormous lithium batteries in those cars? Have you seen the horrendous mining and refinement process of the rare earth materials needed to make BEVS?
What fuel do you think the armies of plant machinery use that pull the material from the ground….? (Diesel)
Being that China make most of the batteries, what fuel do you think they use to power their factories, machinery etc? They use Coal fire power stations, the dirtiest form of fuel there is. And they use ALOT. You need to employ some better critical thinking.
@@nsweeney3970 the latest batteries are sodium (lithium free) & solid state , lithium with soon be fased out & batteries will become cheaper with more range. ICE cars will always need oil, but not too worry because in a few more years you won't be able to buy a new one anyway.
@@nsweeney3970all your logic can equally be applied to fossil fuel mining. That's the point. Critical thinking should make you widen your terms of reference to include that as mining. Nothing critical about ignoring the largest mining operations in the world (by an extremely long way) from your answer. Lithium is abundant and recyclable. Oil, not so much.
It is disingenuous to say the 12v is only there to start the system. There is a large number of live systems and computers powered by the 12v battery. You should have mentioned the issue of needing to trickle charge the 12v battery.
You don't need to trickle charge the battery unless the EV is like your 5'th car that you have in storage 95% of the year.
On my Third EV (2 Zoes and now an Ioniq 5).
I wouldn't even consider considering an ICE car. EVs are wonderful to drive. Small things you notice: the lack of engine vibration through the steering column, the instant reaction off the lights, no longer faffing on pulling up to or away from junctions, always having a full tank each morning without having to go anywhere to do it, SAVING £THOUSANDS a year in fuel costs (yes, really: my first year in the Hyundai saved me £1200 in fuel).
You can pry my EV from my cold dead hands.
Same here. My Tesla Model 3 rwd saved me $3,600 last year just in fuel costs.
@That-Guy_ my £500 ford focus has saved me £1000s in depreciation over the past 3 years🎉🎉
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Depreciation is an issue for those that get a new car every 3 or 4 years. I will have my Tesla for 10+ years.
@@Markcain268that's great if you're happy driving a £500 car and not worry about costly maintenance it may need.
@boothbarmy1882 no costly maintenance so far, only oil changes, and it's so much better than walking to work in the rain, if it was expensive to own and run then I wouldn't have it as I wouldn't be able to afford to run it, buying the cheapest used ev would require me to get a loan over several years at monthly payments much higher than my petrol bill and road tax/ maintenance combined, then there's the fact that my insurance would also be a fair bit higher due to the ev being more valuable than my old car.
Congrats Rory for such a honest, objective, video about EV. Without sensationalism, and myth. Telling the reality that media and Tik Tokers don't tell. Thanks so much for this informative video !!!
The whining anti EV gang are loud in their ignorance! 🙄
I can fully ‘ charge ‘ my vehicle in less than 5 minutes, it has an absolute minimum range of 700 miles, it costs around 10k less to purchase, it depreciates far more slowly than an EV, if it catches fire it can be extinguished with relatively little collateral damage….. yeah , I guess I’m ignorant.
EVs 4 DUMMIES! V8 for normal
@@karlhulme8014 are you a whining anti ev gang member? if no, then you are not ignorant. or maybe you are who knows.
@@artureff3046 normal people cant tell between a v8 and a v6.
@@karlhulme8014millions of people driving EVs every day but of course you have the use case where it doesn't work for you. Happens with some surprising regularity in YT comments section. To broaden you mind slightly, 700 miles in my EV costs about £12 and I've never needed to 'refuel' it in 5 minutes despite doing circa 12000 miles a year. Your problems are imaginary at this point
A good review I think there should be a programme on all TV stations to educate people about electric cars because some sales people are selling the wrong electric car requirements to some people through lack of knowledge on both parties, sales people are not fully informed themselves which is a big problem and is contributing to a lot of the negative press around purchasing of electric cars.
I understand for electric cars but why are some uk insurance companies refusing to insure them.
The cost of batteries yes that might come down eventually and the time it takes to charge them but I stick to my petrol engine thank you
because lack of data. The insurance costs are too much right now.
The price is down already, and getting cheaper.. Why worry about charge-time, when you're in bed asleep, or at work, or shopping? No worries!
I think that is the key - we're so used to 'filling up' being an active thing that we assume electric cars must charge as fast a petrol cars to be as convenient.
EVs will reach thay point soon anyway, but you don't want to rapid charge if you can avoid it. Plug in whilst you shop, or sleep, or fetching a coffee :) If you think about all the time your car is just... sitting there, that's when it should be charging. The rest is really just adding those charge points in one way or another.
You keep on paying through the roof for petrel. Makes perfect sense. 😳
@@jasonallatt5410 It's genuinely crazy what the price difference is if you can charge at home with an off peak tariff. Combined we do around 25k miles a year, and average around 2p/mile to do so. We would spend more than our current annual cost on our old petrol/diesel cars in about 6 weeks.
Fwiw, I don't know about any major insurers not insuring electric cars. They always pop up for us on comparison sites, even if we always end up just sticking with the ol' Admiral multi-car year after year.
Thank you, Autotrader, for educating the people. Very well done and accurate info. We need more media outlets like you!
Coming soon to a dealership nearby, Porsche-style "buy 2 EVs before we let you buy a proper car".😂
like a rimac?
I saw the title “Electric cars for dummies “ and thought…..Correct !
Volvo at one point quoted 80k miles (approx) before the ice emissions total exceeded the ev total. Other source reported 20k miles for the cross over point. Discuss!
The granny charger plugged into a 240v (or is it 230V) is limited to 10A which is 2.3 kW. Discuss!
I make this contribution as a break from the shouting about X is better than you.
I was thinking the same thing about the 3.6 kW 3-pin charging in the video. I think the UK used to use 220 V but is 230 V now, maybe 240? In any case, 3-pin UK plugs are rated at 13 A continuous, so 3.1 kW max (if 240 V).
However, in the real world actual 3-pin plugs were found not to be good for their rating, so EV charging should be limited to 10 Amps in the UK. That works out to 2.3 kW at 230 V.
No idea where the 3.6 kW in the video came from.
The Our World In Data stuff is really interesting on this. Obviously it depends on what makes the electricity in the first place (eg coal v wind). From memory one of the issues with the original Volvo study like 6 years ago was that they didn’t factor in the logistics carbon cost of petrol (ie they only looked at tail pipe emissions of petrol, not the fact that you’ve got to get it out of the ground, to the depot, turn jn to petrol and then get jt the petrol station).
I live in the US, New York state. I charge at home on 240V/15A single-phase, ~3.6kw. My region's grid is produced from 50% natural gas and the other half from a mix of nuclear, hydro-electric, and less than 10% is wind and solar (2023 energy data from US DOE). I could get solar panels on my roof. I just haven't yet.
A 50 kwh battery can run a 115 kw motor at full power for 26 minutes, not 2 hours. EV for Dummies by a dummy. A 50 kwh battery won`t charge at the full 7 kw from empty to full so the charge time is longer than 50/7.
True. Overall the video was very informative and almost all information was correct. With that said, 7kW is a low power for a car battery. The battery can most definately charge at that constant power from 0-100% state of charge. Charge power tapering off is only relevent when charging at higher power ie: >50kW.
Yeah :) 7kW to a modern car battery is like charging your phone on a 5W USB charger. The batteries are so chunky that they just don't care. Both of our cars will charge at 7kW all the way up to 100% :)
I can imagine that some early EVs, or ones with tiny batteries, may have had this issue though.
To the 26 minute point, you are technically correct, but that is like running an ICE car at its rev limiter the entire time. It's an interesting maths study but not that relevant to the driving experience.
Charging may be a little longer, but the car won't be at 0% to start with, ever. And you'll be asleep, so who cares!😊
Absolutely cracking video! Dispelling myths and giving clarity to ev ownership! I owned a R35 GTR and now own a performance Tesla. Day to day the Tesla is a better driving prospect and I am a convert.
That’s right - electric cars ARE for dummies 😂😂😂
It would have been worth mentioning for context that the reason individual apps are less of an issue, was the government legislation requiring all new chargers as of June 2022 to have contactless payment and more recently the requirement for any existing charger over 8KW to support that by November 2024. Improvements to public charging experiance hasn't just been that of make more of them, or make it quicker.
Equally, the law also required new house builds that were approved planning permission after June 2022 to have an EV Chargepoint of at least 7KW.
Otherwise this is a very good hitchhikers guide to EV cars.
“ Electric cars for dummies “ ….. not gonna argue with that title.
Totally intended. 😂
3:50 Kilowatts is a sensible unit of power. Horsepower on the other hand….. 😂
@@summertyme5748 are you saying that’s the big selling point of EVs ?
an excellent video Rory covering just about all bases, the only sml addition i would make is whilst ice produces CO2 which damages the planet the NoX emissions from ice damage our health, this is a more important point to me than the co2 levels. Top work Rory & the AutoTrader team 👍
An estimated 40000 premature deaths in the UK due to pollution from personal transport. Increased incidence of asthma and damage to lung development. The health impacts from ICE emissions are so important! It's worth people knowing as it drives council decision making.
But electric cars are for dummies!
(Sorry to everyone offended, I am just a petrolhead salty that ev’s are on their way to replace ice because of idiotic regulations)
Ever driven one or even sat in one?!
They aren't going to replace petrol cars, hybrids will. More people own hybrids than EV's in the UK.
EVs will not replace ICE the way you think they will. It will replace ICE because it is a better alternative. Its that simple. No regulation caused me to buy it. It simply drove better than my BMW.
Or are you the type of person who refuses to get electric lighting because their oil lamps are good enough?
@@Sal3600 brother, quartz watches are more accurate than mechanical ones, but I would choose the latter all day everyday. It is not really about the way it drives but the way it makes you feel. Yes, a taycan for example drives incredible, but the lack of sound (the one from the speakers does not do it for me because it is like comparing a real steak to a soy one) killed it for me. Same with the charging time. I really like to travel, and done 40k km in last year alone. I cannot imagine charging a car for around an hour (if there is no queue) every 300km. Yes, evs are generally quicker, but if you need to go fast to have fun in a very heavy car it makes it inherently very dangerous.
My main point is that the market alone should dictate what is popular and what is not, and the government should F… off our buisness. For daily commute ev are just fine, but have MUCH less soul than ice.
Post scriptum: your point about ev outselling ice is inherently wrong if you see what happened to ev sales when government grants stopped.
Excellent video. I got my first EV last year. A Kia EV6 AWD, I Love it. Won't be returning to ICE cars if I can avoid it. I charge at work and have used public chargers for 2 road trips. Just clocked over 10K miles.
Until we can replace Li-ion batteries with a new and way better battery type and countries upgrade their electric grids, electric cars are not a viable option nor are they green.
Wrong, wrong and wrong again.. Do try to keep up. Or are you the type of person who refuses to get electric lighting because their oil lamps are good enough?
Another misleading talking point-our electrical grid doesn't need a major overhaul to support electric vehicles (EVs). In fact, the grid is already undergoing continuous upgrades. Most EVs are charged at home using a 3kW charger, which is about the same power consumption as a standard split air conditioning system.
Current EV batteries are safe and meet the daily needs of the majority of users. But we’re in an era of rapid advancements in EV technology, with battery development constantly improving.
EVs are undeniably greener, even when the electricity comes from coal-fired power plants. Consider the energy used to transport fuel to gas stations-burning fuel to move more fuel. When you compare using an EV to the end of its life versus an internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicle, the EV is much greener by a large margin.
On top of that, EV batteries are over 90% recyclable. Fuel? Not even close.
Plus, EVs provide a better driving experience, offer more advanced tech, and are more convenient-you'll never have to stop at a gas station again.
Do you still use a fax machine?
If not why not? I'm sure you'd state it was more reliable than email.
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@@raffiefoxmew3691 Very stupid argument and has nothing to do with EVs.
It sounds complicated, however we are 3 years in and it is just the norm for us. No issues so far travelling up and down the country.
Lease them, never buy them.
Non-sustainable. Owned cars live on avarage x4 times longer before scrapping.
@@Jambajoba I would have to agree 3 years before but now I think it can make sense if you get a great deal. For example a Tesla model 3, Y or a used Mercedes EQ where the price is stable now.
It looks linke the prices are quite stable now and also the cars a very reliable in general.
@@pereldh5741 a motor outlasts an internal combustion engine.
@@Sal3600 That could be the case (especially BMW 😄), but the battery pack does not
@@pereldh5741the battery pack last up to 10-12 years where most people would be swiching out their car anyways
A great video and one that more people need to watch if they are unsure or have decided they 'just don't want an EV' with seeing all the benefits and how easy they actually are to live with.
We're coming towards the end of our 3rd year of EV ownership, in an EV with quite a small battery (38kWh), but have managed just fine, and saved thousands of pounds in fuel costs over our previous petrol powered car; we still have a petrol 2 seater for occasional use, but would never go back to ICE for our main car.
Rory and Auto Trader team are great at this stuff.
I stick to petrol engine, I don’t have time to charge car, laptop, phone, iPad, watch etc. they want you to spend ur life charging and paying taxes and stay poorer.
Nobody hangs around waiting for things to charge, ever.
You charge while you sleep. further, if you have a large enough solar, you can use that. taxes is a bitch though.
What's a petrol filling station? With my EV I never have to queue, and I can start off with a full "tank" *every morning* ... can you petrol car drivers do that? Do you keep fuel stored on your premises?
In teslas it only takes 15mins on a supercharger(which are everywhere) to go from 15% to 80% so idk what the hell your talking about
@@InBodWeTrust Exactly. ICE drivers bang on about range from a tank, but they only have a full tank on the day they fill up. If they fill up once a week, they most probably have a lot less range than an EV for half the week!
I bought a Skoda Enyaq 85x (after many good reviews by people like Rory) and it’s an absolute monster. My wife has told me I’m banned from putting it into sports mode when she is in the car! And it is absolutely nothing special in the EV world when it comes to acceleration. I’m sensible most of the time, but every now and then I like to go wheeeeeeee!
“World EV day” there is a day for everything worlds gone mad. But anyway stick with an ICE car
In your opinion. Pick a car of your choosing dont pick ICE just because someone told you to pick a car that you would want and drive
@@ganymede6535 are you even old enough to drive?
@@CrazzieGamer yes. I am 18 going 19 soon. Do you have a problem with what i said? Cause most people are sheep who just go off of what another person said.
@@ganymede6535 most people just like to follow trends and at the minute it’s electric cars once people realise that the infrastructure isn’t working or the next best thing comes out then people will be going back. EVs can be good for some people but majority of the uk not. People don’t have the money to buy not a 40k car. I just personally wouldn’t get one regardless of price because they are just don’t suit my needs and I would have too much range anxiety. I don’t even like turning ac on in my petrol car think how bad it would be in an electric car, I would be frightened to turn anything on and for good reason because my 300 mile range would turn into 100!
What a brilliant piece, Rory. Clear, precise and with no agenda. Excellent.
I would love to have an EV but, like many, I'm scared that it might turn out to be a very expensive mistake. I understand all the facts and I can see in theory that an EV will satisfy 80%+ of my driving needs but it's the rest that concerns me. If I can't reach my destination in one hit in an ICE either because the car needs a drink or I need a comfort break, I know how long the stop will take. I can even rush a stop through in 10 minutes and be on my way again if need be. But I don't have experience of a typical EV journey. What I do know is that I'm unlikely to be able to get it down to 10 minutes and will probably struggle to get under 30mins. I also often do 350+ miles in one hit as it is from home to a holiday destination. I know an EV won't do that so it would change my holiday timetable to include 2 overnight stops.
I'm also going to be towing a small sports car in the not too distant future. I know most EVs won't do this at all or efficiently enough to make it viable. Or at least that's my fear.
If someone wants to lend me an EV for a month so I can test it against my more outrageous usage requirements, I'm more than happy to accept and be converted.
Had had 2 evs for 3 years, got 1 year left on the leases. Planning on buying one at the end of the lease and keeping it for years. The other will either be brought by my son or my business.
Been great cars as daily drivers.
At 23:35 you touched on global warming and pollution, but didn't go into detail regarding air quality in cities and large towns. Exhaust fumes are a major contribution to respiratory problems, costing millions in doctors and hospital visits, medication and time lost at work or education. Cleaner air in cities will be a huge benefit in this respect, with the added benefit of quieter streets as the cars are quieter and don't make much or any noise when stopped at light or parked idling. Many people are not convinced about climate change or EVs effect on it, but most will see and hear the difference as things move to electric.
I just made the switch to a BWM i4 40. Funnest car I've had to drive with all power going to the rear.
how are the governments of the world, especially the UK going to reclaim the loss of income from fuel duty and road tax from ev’s? More so the ones that are charged from home. Pay per mile is an option but how would that work? People clock cars and with an ev cleaver people could easily clock a car. Please do a video to answer these questions as i would love to know how this can be sorted.
Some states in the USA have an annual fee for EVs to help with road taxes
Rory went home to his V8 Mustang. Fact!
Great video, congrats! 🥰
I have 8y old EV-TMS 2016. It's out of warranty and battery is still at cca 400km of range (app, cca 13% degradation). I was driving 1,5M km with ICE-s before and I' ll never go back again. Smooth, quiet, powerfull and cheap compared to ICE.🙂
Half an hour just for 60%? how many miles is that? I get 450 miles in about 2 minutes...
I’d love one, but £45k for a f**king Astra is just diabolical! Plus everyone says you’ll save on the fuel - you don’t! I have a £40k lease car atm and I pay £700 a year to insure it. I look at a £40k electric car and the insurance is nearly £2,000 a year. Where’s the savings then??? Electric cars are only good for company car drivers. Believe me! I’d have one over a ICE any day because I think they’re great!! Unfortunately, not financially feasible for me 😢
Battery Degradation & Battery Lasting is a really Complex Topic ,
1- I doubt the Tesla with 450,000 miles had no Major work done , in theory even if you refurbish a battery 20x it's still on its original Battery 🤷😳
2- They say EV batteries last long a time , however sadly even if a battery drops to 60% capacity on paper that battery is not dead and Manufacturers because they can't afford to pay £15,000 battery replacements , they can claim battery health is above the Warranty replacement SOH.🤷🤑💰
When I was a kid and heard about the Nissan leaf being released, I thought the idea behind it was amazing, but it’d never go far enough to be actually useful.
At the end of 2022, I got my first car, a Renault Zoe ZE40, which has been nothing short of a completely loyal friend. The only things I’ve had to replace have been tyres and the cabin filter. I’ve crossed Ireland back and forth multiple times, done trips like the ring of Kerry, and they’ve always got me where I need to be. Genuinely fun to drive with the instant response to the pedal, but also composed and calm when you just need to chill. Suffice to say, I’m not going backwards to ICE. ⚡️
If you've never owned an ice car how can you say that?
@@Markcain268 Easily! I’ve driven a fair few ICE cars before, they just didn’t belong to me, of course.
@@FluffyArcheops manual gearbox ice?
@@Markcain268 Yes, petrols and diesels. Only auto was a hybrid though.
@FluffyArcheops but never owned one so can't really comment on things like maintenance, long term costs etc
This is the most comprehensive video I’ve seen that is making me want an ev, but my biggest problem is I have no drive and therefor it will not make sense
One of many long distance travels i do is the 831 mile trip from Lancaster Pennsylvania to Jacksonville Florida. I travel through the night when everyone is home and out of my way. It doesn't matter how many times i stop for what ever reason, i only have to stop once to fuel and takes me 3 minutes. Love my jaguar XJL. A large full size luxury automobile which tesla dosent even make, 3 minutes of fueling and a long range of 570 miles, paid off at 41K and more than a pleasure to drive. A smooth ride that gives me the ability to keep moving. It takes me 11.5 to 12.5 hours to reach my destination. That's 13.5 to 14.5 hours by EV. Electric cars are kool but they need to be improved. Improvements like much shorter down times for charging and much longer ranges. How about a large full size luxury automobile for guys like me who dosent do small little tiny cars? I had a tesla model S that i used for what it was designed for, short range local destinations only. But when i sold it, all that sitting around came to a halt and my insurance premiums dropped off. But i kept my jaguar XJl. It delivers far more. But one day they will come out with EVs that can deliver and provide the same fine features my jaguar does. When that happens, Now we're talkin!! This will give the American EV owners a real reason to boast the EV. Till then, im going to leave well enough alone......
EVs are great. I love them even more after having owned one and wouldn't consider anything else
It's worth pointing out that in the UK, and charging from a domestic 3-pin socket, you'll typically be limited to a maximum of 10 Amps of current by the cable adapter that comes with the car. This means at 230 V (nominal voltage) you'll get a 2.3 kWh charging rate (not 3.6 kWh stated in the video). An easy way to think of it is that it's three times slower than a dedicated 7 kWh home charging point.
I find it really useful to use both a standard 3-pin socket and a 7 kWh charging point at home as I'm fortunate to have a solar and home battery setup, and I work from home most of the time. If it's cloudy and I'm only getting a low output from the roof panels, I can still charge the car from a domestic 3-pin socket. If the sun's out and I'm nearer 7 kWh from the roof panels, then I put the car onto the 7 kWh charging point.
In summary, don't discount charging from a 3-pin domestic socket. It can still be really useful, especially if you're trying to preserve the charge in your home battery with a solar setup.
And finally (thank goodness, you think...), it equates to adding around 10 miles range per hour to the car on a 3-pin socket and 30 miles range per hour on the charging point. Cheers!
If it’s a very sunny day, (presuming a large array) wouldn’t it be better to pull 7kW than missing the opportunity and pulling less? -RR
@@AutoTraderTV Hi Rory (fantastic videos from you as always - thanks!)
I've found the most important thing with my solar and home battery setup is to keep a good charge in the home battery to use at peak hours and at night, so it's always a balancing act to take any surplus for the cars. The home battery is 13.5 kWh capacity, so when the sun is out, it's not long before it's charged and I can then pull everything from the roof for the 7 kWh home charging point.
If only it was sunny more often, though! There's many times when I've got enough in the home battery but the roof is only giving 1 to 2 kWh. That's when taking 2 kWh from the 3-pin socket and cable with adapter is really useful. Four or five hours of a cloudy day will still give me 40 or 50 miles of range added without depleting the home battery. If you are lucky enough to be at home, you can easily have a couple of hundred miles to play with at the weekend that's cost nothing.
I really hope the future opens up opportunities to use the car's batteries for vehicle to home with a bi-directional home charging point. It's depressing having all that battery capacity in the car that I can't use for the house. I've yet to resort to using the V2L on the car to boil a kettle on the driveway at home...
My setup is 19 solar panels on a southwest facing roof, each with a micro-inverter which limits the maximum coming off the roof to 6.9 kWh, but as the roof panel collection capacity is up to 8.5 kWh, I regularly get over 6 kWh on a sunny day. The house (and 7 kWh charging point) all run off the home battery and its inverter as a primary source, only drawing from the grid if I force it to (to take advantage of my "agile" tariff), or if there's nothing left in the home battery.
Thanks! Mike
Brilliant feature containing so much basic and really useful to know facts. I Need to watch a few times to capture all the info. 😅
When talking about emissions you must also mention that batteries are nearly 100% recyclable and result in a sustainable source of power.
The cost and emissions resulting from recycling are far lower than for the original extraction of the materials.
Very well done! Anyone who has drive an EV for some time won't go back to ICE. Apart from the climate and environment aspects, EVs are just the better cars.
Depreciation on EV Corsa is absolutely insane lol 3 years old they've dropped 20k already from list.
That’s because you buy them £10k or more below list. They are IMHO the most over-priced EV out there at list price.
@@ISuperTedYeah literally nobody anywhere bought a Corsa-e for £32k.
At home you can't look at the raw cost of the kilowatts you use. You have to look at all your power usage at home and divide it by the total bill to see what your net cost is per kW-hr. Usually your cost of the electricity only is only a fraction of the total bill if you add on taxes, distribution charges, rate riders, etc. Some are fixed, some are variable, but you have to look at your total bill and total usage. Your electric car may reduce your unit cost, but you total bill will jump by quite a margin.
Biggest factor is the ability to charge at home, and the time it takes for public charging. If that could be shorter I'd be all for it. Oh, and less stealing of your personal data without your permission, of course.
@@freddoflintstono9321 I’m lucky, I live in an apartment but I get free charging at work. Works out even cheaper for me.
@@glennpulford4860 Thankfully my charging is paid for by my employer anyway, but I resent the gratuitous wasting of my personal time that goes along with it. Thankfully my employer is now also installing chargers at our HQ so the problem will eventually go away :).
Really enjoyed watching that Rory. You explain things so well. I’ve been driving electric for just over two years now and love it! Recently had a petrol courtesy car while my electric car was in for a software update. The petrol car-premium German make- felt old and rough.
As a sceptic I found this very interesting and you put it across really well Rory. I think range is a big problem. I am hoping the solid state battery technology will appear in the next few years 🤔🤞
One big thing you seemed to have omitted is the lack of servicing, oil, filters, cambelts, etc.. Otherwise, a great video with loads of info. Thank you,