I love the faces on the Madenié. So soft and sweet. I especially enjoy the decks that feel like they might have when they were first created. Marco’s decks are like this!
Hi Marilyn, It's Carol again. I have both decks. I have to say Marco's is a dream to handle and also to shuffle any style. The cards are thin and light. But sturdy enough to handle. I'm in love with this deck. When I saw you with the last deck I thought to myself you were missing out on an exquisite Madenie. I almost messaged you that you had to get one. I didn't know you had it all along. I had to laugh when I saw what this video was. Great job as always.
Oh I know, it took everything I had not to show this deck sooner. But the Etteilla inspired me so I went with where it took me. This Madenié is lovely. It's a great deck no matter which of these publishers one chooses. When all things are equal, I'll opt for the cardstock being more luxurious and Marco's deck handles like a dream.
The Madenie is my all-time favorite TdM. I love the sweet faces of this deck. Claude Burdell has similar faces to some extent also. Thanks for sharing. Love, Donna
I was surprised by @ReadingsByDiane's comment noting the images of the Ives deck as zoomed in, compared to mine. I went to check (I have all Yves' decks, I'm a big Ives fan too, I deaply admire and respect what he did and does for TdM). the images of the 2 decks are of the same exact size - I sent Marilyn a photo - after all the Swiss are precise: the images from the Zurich museum are accompanied by a reference scale, it is impossible to be wrong. What changes is the size of the white border, slightly larger in the Yves deck, a trifle, about half a millimeter per side. For the record, the original cards are irregular, so the size of the single format for the reproduced deck is, as for how to restore, a matter of publisher choice. However, watching a YT video without the cards in hand, the wider white border, if anything, gives me the impression of being zoomed out. 🙂
Both of these decks are worthy of the Madenié name. Lovely. I think it comes down to the cardstock with these two decks. Both appear to be facsimiles so I think it's a matter of deciding which cardstock you like to handle best. Thank you for visiting my channel César ❤️
@seraphinajadeite I am unable to riffle shuffle Yve's decks because they are too thick and stiff. So overhand shuffle his decks. I can riffle shuffle Marco's decks quite easily, so I have to say I prefer Marco's. For longevity, I'm not sure. Both styles of shuffling can damage cards. Yve's sides might chip and Marco's paper might accidentally bend and crease if one isn't careful. Both are quality cardstock . I personally prefer Marco's cardstock because they are a joy to riffle shuffle and feel luxurious. I think I'm about the tactile and sensory experience when it comes to decks. I think there is greater potential for Marco's decks to bend and crease and greater potential for Marco's edges and corners to wear and nick. I think it comes down to sensory experience for me, so I choose Marco's. But you have to know which deck you prefer to handle and how you prefer to shuffle. This is a difficult question for me to answer. If I only could have one, I'd choose Marco's deck for the reasons I mentioned. Naturally with either, one needs to handle the cards carefully. Thank you for the great question. ~ Marilyn
Yves Renaud released a 3rd edition of the Pierre Madenié deck in 2022. The 3rd edition is less cleaned-up than this one. It looks very similar to Benedetti's version. Also, the 3rd edition includes two versions of the fool card. One version is more cleaned-up and "corrected"; the other version is a facsimile.
Ooh, I have been saving for the Renaud Madenie (postage is really expensive to Aus - usually more than the deck itself costs) - now I have a real dilemma 😂. I would love Artisan to do a Madenie - I love their card stock... Thanks again for showing these wonderful decks.
You can't go wrong with either of these publications. I think it comes down to your preference of cardstock. There might be a slight difference in richness of color, but it's subtle. Thank you for watching. ~ Marilyn
@InnerMagpie There are so many modern publications of these wonderful historic decks and at different price points! And sometimes price has nothing to do with how well done a publication is. I try to have a range to represent as many publishers as I can. ~ Marilyn
We've had an enjoyable walk through time these past weeks Marilyn. 🙂1790 Eteilla, 1943 Thoth, 1909 and 1912 RWCS. Now 1709 Madenie! TDM-II's starchild! Benedetti's cardstock sounds absolutely wonderful! I like Reynaud's colours, and the ink-weight of the lines. The saturation seems deeper. Madenie's lines are a dream to meditate on, to tell you the truth however...I'm not a fan of plain reversible backs lol😅. If you like large cards, Mary Packard with Guy-Tredaniel have a set at 6" with beautiful floral motif backs. Also, As you might be aware, the 1639 Vachier is now is the oldest complete set in Depaulis collection proceeding the 1650 dates of Noblet, Dodal, even the Tarot à Paris. I believe it is considered a is TDM-I style...
The Renaud deck has cleaner, crisper, more cleaned-up images - no bleed on the Fool's cane, cleaner faces, less 'dirt' in the white spaces, slightly more vibrant colors, more contrast in lines (like the bird on the Empress's shield). Interestingly the Renaud deck seems to have changed over time - if you look at the website page his photo of the Empress has the bird on the Empress's shield partially painted-in with green, unlike your copy.
Yes that's an interesting observation about the Empress' eagle. I wonder if the deck has been reworked by Renaud, or if the website didn't have accurate colors?
Yves Renaud released a 3rd edition of the Pierre Madenié deck in 2022. The 3rd edition is less cleaned-up then this one. It looks very similar to Benedetti's version. Also, the 3rd edition includes two versions of the fool card. One version is more cleaned-up and "corrected"; the other version is a facsimile.
Very nice walkthrough. Two beautiful decks.
Yes, they are. Thank you for watching and commenting. ~ Marilyn
I love the faces on the Madenié. So soft and sweet. I especially enjoy the decks that feel like they might have when they were first created. Marco’s decks are like this!
I agree with you. Their is an authenticity about Marco's decks. Thank you for watching.
Hi Marilyn, It's Carol again. I have both decks. I have to say Marco's is a dream to handle and also to shuffle any style. The cards are thin and light. But sturdy enough to handle. I'm in love with this deck. When I saw you with the last deck I thought to myself you were missing out on an exquisite Madenie. I almost messaged you that you had to get one. I didn't know you had it all along. I had to laugh when I saw what this video was. Great job as always.
Oh I know, it took everything I had not to show this deck sooner. But the Etteilla inspired me so I went with where it took me. This Madenié is lovely. It's a great deck no matter which of these publishers one chooses. When all things are equal, I'll opt for the cardstock being more luxurious and Marco's deck handles like a dream.
The Madenie is my all-time favorite TdM. I love the sweet faces of this deck. Claude Burdell has similar faces to some extent also. Thanks for sharing. Love, Donna
Hmm, that sounds like another deck comparison! ~ Marilyn
@@MarilynFromTarotClarity Works for me! 🙂
@@donnarion1147 Me too.
I was surprised by @ReadingsByDiane's comment noting the images of the Ives deck as zoomed in, compared to mine.
I went to check (I have all Yves' decks, I'm a big Ives fan too, I deaply admire and respect what he did and does for TdM).
the images of the 2 decks are of the same exact size - I sent Marilyn a photo - after all the Swiss are precise: the images from the Zurich museum are accompanied by a reference scale, it is impossible to be wrong.
What changes is the size of the white border, slightly larger in the Yves deck, a trifle, about half a millimeter per side.
For the record, the original cards are irregular, so the size of the single format for the reproduced deck is, as for how to restore, a matter of publisher choice.
However, watching a YT video without the cards in hand, the wider white border, if anything, gives me the impression of being zoomed out. 🙂
Thank you for replying Marco. I know we all appreciate your input. ~ Marilyn
wow, i am so curious! I have the Yves Reynaud deck so looking forward to watching your video ❤
Enjoy!
This is a most cherished deck by me. I loooooove my Madenié by Yves
Both of these decks are worthy of the Madenié name. Lovely. I think it comes down to the cardstock with these two decks. Both appear to be facsimiles so I think it's a matter of deciding which cardstock you like to handle best. Thank you for visiting my channel César ❤️
@@MarilynFromTarotClarity Which cardstock of the two do you recommend for durability and long term shuffling and handling, Marco's or Yves"?
@seraphinajadeite I am unable to riffle shuffle Yve's decks because they are too thick and stiff. So overhand shuffle his decks. I can riffle shuffle Marco's decks quite easily, so I have to say I prefer Marco's. For longevity, I'm not sure. Both styles of shuffling can damage cards. Yve's sides might chip and Marco's paper might accidentally bend and crease if one isn't careful. Both are quality cardstock . I personally prefer Marco's cardstock because they are a joy to riffle shuffle and feel luxurious. I think I'm about the tactile and sensory experience when it comes to decks. I think there is greater potential for Marco's decks to bend and crease and greater potential for Marco's edges and corners to wear and nick. I think it comes down to sensory experience for me, so I choose Marco's. But you have to know which deck you prefer to handle and how you prefer to shuffle. This is a difficult question for me to answer. If I only could have one, I'd choose Marco's deck for the reasons I mentioned. Naturally with either, one needs to handle the cards carefully. Thank you for the great question. ~ Marilyn
@@MarilynFromTarotClarity Thank you for your thoughtful and detailed answer, I found it very helpful. I need to think carefully before I decide to buy
Yves Renaud released a 3rd edition of the Pierre Madenié deck in 2022. The 3rd edition is less cleaned-up than this one. It looks very similar to Benedetti's version. Also, the 3rd edition includes two versions of the fool card. One version is more cleaned-up and "corrected"; the other version is a facsimile.
Thank you for this information. I appreciate knowing this. ~ Marilyn
Ooh, I have been saving for the Renaud Madenie (postage is really expensive to Aus - usually more than the deck itself costs) - now I have a real dilemma 😂.
I would love Artisan to do a Madenie - I love their card stock...
Thanks again for showing these wonderful decks.
You can't go wrong with either of these publications. I think it comes down to your preference of cardstock. There might be a slight difference in richness of color, but it's subtle. Thank you for watching. ~ Marilyn
I have a M.M. From Mary Packard. I bought it because of the gorgeous backs
I have a few Mary Packard decks, but this one isn't one of them. Thank you for sharing your insights about her backs on this deck. ~ Marilyn
@ your welcome. I’m just finding my way through the intricacies and confusing world of tarot reproduction.
@InnerMagpie There are so many modern publications of these wonderful historic decks and at different price points! And sometimes price has nothing to do with how well done a publication is. I try to have a range to represent as many publishers as I can. ~ Marilyn
Bonjour Maryline! ❤Merci pour cette presentation ! Ou peut on acheter ce merveilleux tarot de Marco Benetti?
Bonjour! J'ai ajouté les coordonnées de Marco dans la zone de description de la vidéo. S'il vous plaît, dites à Marco où vous avez vu son deck !
Merci de votre reponse❤
We've had an enjoyable walk through time these past weeks Marilyn. 🙂1790 Eteilla, 1943 Thoth, 1909 and 1912 RWCS. Now 1709 Madenie! TDM-II's starchild! Benedetti's cardstock sounds absolutely wonderful! I like Reynaud's colours, and the ink-weight of the lines. The saturation seems deeper. Madenie's lines are a dream to meditate on, to tell you the truth however...I'm not a fan of plain reversible backs lol😅. If you like large cards, Mary Packard with Guy-Tredaniel have a set at 6" with beautiful floral motif backs.
Also, As you might be aware, the 1639 Vachier is now is the oldest complete set in Depaulis collection proceeding the 1650 dates of Noblet, Dodal, even the Tarot à Paris. I believe it is considered a is TDM-I style...
Yes! I would love to see copies of it. This was a fun few videos to make. I learned a lot. I learn a lot just by looking at decks.
The Renaud deck has cleaner, crisper, more cleaned-up images - no bleed on the Fool's cane, cleaner faces, less 'dirt' in the white spaces, slightly more vibrant colors, more contrast in lines (like the bird on the Empress's shield).
Interestingly the Renaud deck seems to have changed over time - if you look at the website page his photo of the Empress has the bird on the Empress's shield partially painted-in with green, unlike your copy.
Yes that's an interesting observation about the Empress' eagle. I wonder if the deck has been reworked by Renaud, or if the website didn't have accurate colors?
Marco sent me info regarding these points you've made. I posted his comments in the description area of my video on this deck. ~ Marilyn
Yves Renaud released a 3rd edition of the Pierre Madenié deck in 2022. The 3rd edition is less cleaned-up then this one. It looks very similar to Benedetti's version. Also, the 3rd edition includes two versions of the fool card. One version is more cleaned-up and "corrected"; the other version is a facsimile.
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It's a dream, right?!