Perfect timing, just booted up a 13700K yesterday, MSI tomahawk, arctic 360, seeing roughly the same 'auto' performance/heat as you. And so I have a question, never messed with my CPU before(oc/undervolt). 3 takeaways from the video, set cpu core voltage to 1.3, loadline calibration to mode 5, and set BCLK 100mhz lock on to enabled. Do that, reboot, retest and cross my fingers. Do I understand those changes correct? I have a clear CMOS button on back so not too worried, but just wanted to be sure. Thanks for any input!
That would replicate the settings I used. You could likely increase LLC to 3 and perhaps drop Vcore towards 1.25V. The BCLK lock may not bring any benefit but having it floating around didn't seem to help so ..... Leo
@@KitGuruTechHey kit, have you tested the 13700k any more on this board would those be the most optimal settings to use? Or should I use the ones you mentioned in the video. If you could lmk that would be great! Keep up the good work ❤️
As a 13900k owner, this was the best video i've seen explaining whats going on. Thanks so much :D 13900k not throttle anymore and fps not spiking up and down anymore
Do you guys have same mother board? This guy look like he knows what he's taking about but my mother board is z790 edge WiFi, do you think I can apply same settings?
It works! 13900KF, Carbon WiFi used for Orchestration and composing… maxing out a big project I got the same results. Your tweaks got it dancing in the 80s when at 100%, thank you! Using a Noctua NH-D15 but I set the BIOS for water cooling to get max value, then applied your changes. Thank you for posting!
Thumbnail of the year leo 😂 good board and hopefully this can be used as a guide for people who get it until msi fix the bios. I know a lot of people who don’t like messing in a bios too much.
Thank you so much for the overclock settings, my 13900ks sincerely thanks you. It runs so much better with 1.3v limit, still giving my Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420mm a good challenge.
@ocd9033 I have MSI z790 Edge. It's the white version of this board. My CPU settings is now identical to the video other than the fact that my DDR5 ram is overclocked to 6800mhz at CL32.
@@csguak Did you have to buy a separate bracket? Or the aio cover thing surrounding cpu? Bc I was looking on the Arctic website, and it lists your motherboard as a motherboard that will have an issue with installation. Maybe they fixed that. Never built a pc, so I'm worried some parts won't be compatible lol. The aio and mobo to start.
@@ocd9033 you need to talk to them separately via email or something. RBG absolutely disgusts me, so the non-rbg version did not come with an upgraded bracket. Arctic shipping speed is garbage, so order it together with Liquid freezer ii 420mm. They will actually give you the new bracket for free, but you will have to wait longer, because you ask for one after you have received your cooler. There is only a handful of cases that can fit 420mm radiator on top of the cases, so I hope you did your research. By the way that cooler won't do shit if you don't undervolt 13900ks like exactly done on this video. There isn't an AIO liquid cooler that can cool 13900ks all p-core sustaining 6+ghz on this planet as of April 2023. Unless you want to de-lid the CPU and direct die custom water loop, be sure to undervolt. You are getting a contact frame right?
@@csguak Yeah I'm glad I came across this video. I honestly don't not a whole bunch about PCs and building them lol. So just doing as much research as I can before I purchase all of my parts. So looks like I'll be ordering the separate mounting bracket as well. Or just go with another aio. I'm kinda worried about that big plastic cover over the actual cpu area as well. I know they changed that in later versions so it could fit more boards, but who knows which version I'll get through Amazon. Whole thing is stressful lol.
Great video! I tried tuning the Bios like you did, and my temps were still running the same, but performance jumped by alot! ...I am running a compact 240 AIO. I may have to down clock to 5500 on all P Cores.
Great motherboard especially now as it is down to £330. Just picked up one from ebay as an open box sold via eBuyer at an absurd £227...Well worth shopping around on eBay for the higher end motherboards either open box or refurbished as the price difference is huge....Board has been and absolutly right on reducing the vcore which on auto is set way too high...Set mine to 1.245v on the 13700K and it runs cool boosting to 5.5GHz on 2 cores and 5.4GHz on all the others.....
Super good review, top shelf tech review, Here is where I go for straight review news without any prejudice or unnecessary drama found all over the net these days. Thanks a million.
This channel is awesome. Thanks so much Leo for sharing all your knowledge. I built my PC with components reviewed by Leo and can't be happier with it. That thumbnail got me laughing for a while 🤣🤣
What I found after testing the settings from Leo in a MSI z790 Edge WiFi is that the temps still get too high as the PL1/PL2 are not limited. Once I set PL1/PL2 to 253W each on top of Leo settings is what makes the performance to drop dramatically as the P-Cores runs at 4GHz and E-Cores runs at 3.6Ghz when the CPU is loaded at 100% in Cinebench. What solved the temps and performance issues was reverting the VCore and LLC settings (keep the BCLK 100Mhz enabled), set the PL1/PL2 at 253W and use Adaptive+Offset with a negative offset of 0.095 and after this my 13900K barely reach 85-87°C at 100% and the P-Cores runs at 5.5Ghz and E-Cores runs at 4.3Ghz in Cinebench getting 39.835 score. I'm really thankful to Leo for this video as it allowed me to understand how the CPU behaves and lead me to experiment to solve the issue.
This is a just a fantastic walk-through for this motherboard. I'm curious to know if 3 months later if MSI has done anything to address the BIOS issues you address here? So if one was to buy this board today would you need to go in and adjust the settings as you do here? Thanks so much for a great vid!! Well Done!
I have the Z690 variant (DDR5) with an i9-12900. I think it's an excellent board. Selling point for me was the 5 M.2 slots and VRM. In future I'll do without the ARGB however.
Very good review! Do you think I get very low results (33K on Cinebench 23) on my i9 14900K due to lack of VRM on my Gigabyte z790 UD? I have 96GB DDR5 6400 RAM and 850W PSU... I dont get why I get such bad results and as soon as I try the tiniest OC - BSOD.
Leo speaks; it's time to sit down and listen. And it's time well spent. The most minor of nitpicks: in your chapter titles you have "VRM's" instead of "VRMs"
I saw this video, thanks for the information, I am running a MSI Z790 Carbon w/Intel 13700K, I followed your instructions in the video to manually setting the bios and my temperatures dropped. Thank you again, I was wondering how to do this and I was easily able to do it with your video.
I have a 14900k and I'm having the HARDEST time keeping the temps down, while maintaining its full capabilities. The only way I've found to keep temps reasonable is to set "box cooler" setting but that's severely limiting performance and my cinebench score drops to 36k from 41 (even while bouncing off 100c). I've messed with lite load modes down to 8 from 10 and disabling "enhanced turbo" among other things but I just cant seem to find that happy sweet spot. I'm getting quite frustrated. I may try out these settings when I get home and see if it hits that happy medium but I'd love a video dedicated to taming the 14900k on an MSI board, similar to this one.
@@Wiebe187 setting it to box cooler or just manually inputting the intel specs is the best way to manage temps. 253w for short and long power limit, 307A icc max and 56 second timer between short and long power though that doesn’t matter if they are both set the same. Also check the “lite load mode”. Mine was set to auto (mode 10) I dropped mine down to mode 8 though I could prob go lower and with those changes alone, my cpu is running massively cooler. Never exceeds mid 70s with 360 AIO
@@Wiebe187 Yeah. That’s actually not bad for intel set specs on a 14900k. If you run higher wattage, you do get better performance but that comes with the cost of more heat. Intel spec and 37k score is a good middle ground.
@@Wiebe187 I don’t even know if the difference between 37k and 40-41k in cinebench is even noticeable with 90% of use cases. So I’ll take the cooler temps over a potentially unnoticeable improvement in performance.
Hey, great video. Could you let me know if this would also work with the 14700kf? As in, same settings? Also, do you lose any performance doing this? Thank you.
Hi Leo, I bought this motherboard after reading your review and applied the same settings for my i9 13900KF. Works like a charm. I also bought the Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Pro X with an i9 13900KF for my son & I am trying to replicate the settings in the Gigabyte BIOS. I can set the Vcore to 1.300 and adjust the LLC, but I cannot find the 'BCLK 100MHz Lock On' option in that Bios. I know you recently reviewed the Aorus board, can you please recommend on what I should do ? Thanks !
05:32 Another scenario: iGPU dedicated to the Linux KVM hypervisor. First PCIe 5.0 x16 slot (x8 mode) dedicated and passed through to the Windows VM. Second PCIe 5.0 x16 slot (x8 mode) dedicated and passed through to the Linux VM. Hypervisor on monitor #1. Windows on monitor #2. Linux on monitor #3. Running simultaneously. Side-by-side.
Thank you for the BIOS settings that was very helpful, as I start my build at the weekend I cant however find bios version 1.4 only 1.3 on the web site
Hi great video. I'm actually building with this board in 2 days, I am using a 13700K would you recommend using these settings or do I need to modify them?
Interesting, I had to tweak my gigabyte z790 aero g +13700k but I'm running air not an AIO. A -.65mv underclock sorted my temperature issues and everything has been running great since the changes. After seeing this I'll have to poke around a bit more and see what the PL presets are.
Thank you so much for sharing this video with us. I have the same problem, the computer which I bought 2 weeks ago is still sitting at the market because of overheating. I'm not understanding clearly video because my English is not good. If I make these 3 settings from the bios as you said, the temperature drops as you say and the performance increases, right? I would be very grateful if you could take the time to reply
With MSI boards, even better than changing the vcore directly is to lower the CPU Lite Load Mode from the default setting of 9 to something like Level 6 or 5.
Im new to messing with my CPU in bios, can you explain why you suggest this? I've got a new 13700k on an MSI tomahawk and just poking around for advice/info. Thank you. :)
Hmm... tried your settings with an i9 13900KS with Carbon, but no change in temperature. Still zooming to 100° C. But came here looking for how to enable undervolting so Intel XTU will work... where is that setting in bios?
Ok, this is driving me nuts. Does the MSI MPG Z790 Carbon WIFI have Intel Turbo Boost and Intel Turbo Boost Max 3.0? Nowhere in the spec manual does it mention it or on their website. I was waiting for you to click on "Advanced CPU configuration" to see if it was there. (obviously not blaming you for not showing; that part of the video was to just show how to adjust settings manually to prevent too much power consumption/overheating, etc; which is helpful if I end up getting this board, so ty!) Can you quickly confirm or deny if this mobo has TB and TBM 3.0? EDIT: 8:53, it's right there! Ok, ty. It would be crazy if it didn't have these basic features. I think I'm just gonna splurge and go for this board. If I get thermal throttling outside of the box (using a 360 Kraken), I'll just under volt it a bit.
Do you have a tutorial like this for a 14700k using this msi bios? Very difficult to find. So far i got a stable -.050v (bad lottery i guess) but scared to touch anything else. Cinebench still touching 100c but less power is being drawn. Or can I use ur bios undervolt settings on a 14700k aswell?
Not sure whether you mean Game Mode in Windows 11 rather than Game Boost. Either way the answer is ' I only made those three changes and nothing else' Leo
@@KitGuruTech Interesting. 8:41 top left underneath the CPU and DDR speeds, you'll see "Game Boost", which I believe is some an overclock setting by MSI, not sure if correlates to Game Mode in Win11. But if you click the CPU button underneath Game Boost, it'll essentially overclock the CPU.
My ASUS ProArt Z790-CREATOR WIFI also gave far too much voltage onto my 13900KS. With a negative offset of -50mV (it can work with even less but I want to have it rock solid) and PL1 and PL2 both limited to 320W cooled by my custom loop with EK Velocity² full copper block it barely reaches 90°C now and gets me a Cinebench R23 score of 41000. I think the issue is not really voltage, it's within spec. The issue is the insane power limits that come out of the box. I didn't even have such a cooling selection. PL2 was on 4095 and PL1 on 350W out of the box. I think they do this to look faster in reviews because they think they just run short benchmarks with overkill cooling.
Have these BIOS issues been fixed as of release 7D89v17? I'm sick of the headaches with my ASUS ROG Strix Z790-E, have never had an issue with MSI, but don't want to jump from the frying pan into the fire....
Hi, I just built my new system running this Mobo and the 13900k, I followed the same steps as you provided, enabled BLCK at 100 and left everything else as default, however I'm finding my CPU's clock speed is constantly fluctuating between 4.9 and 5.5Ghz rather than being locked at a certain frequency. Sometimes it drops even lower to 3Ghz randomly. The bios has been updated to the latest version (v16). Is there a setting I'm missing that should lock the speed?
Will these settings currently work on a MSI Z790 MEG ACE? I’m currently building a system with a 13900ks and a 420mm Aio. First system I built in a while and I’m a bit nervous messing with voltage settings.
If you change the CPU cooler tuning to cap out to 253w with “Boxed Cooler” would that have helped instead of auto on the other settings or manually setting your CPU??
Hey. I have just built a pc using this board. Everythings running mega cool and lovely. But for some reason the temperature that reads as system in msi center and just as system in the bios hardware monitor was saying it was 100c! After gaming for a while. But cpu and gpu were only 40 to 50c and nothing on the motherboard was physically hot at all. I am having trouble finding out what the temperature under the title system actually relates to. Do you have any ideas? I remenbered this video when I saw it and thought maybe its them overkill vrams so I have just manually set my 13th gen i7 to the settings you said to use here and will see if it does it again. But any ideas? It is very strange. Maybe a senson just went barmy.
You just need to enforce intel limits… it’s 1 setting, you don’t need to do all that… also, never load optimized defaults.. literally EVERY mobo (over 200$USD) manufacturer overrides intels settings causing high voltage and overheating.
Will these same settings apply to the 17 1400k? As my current board is faulty and the only replacement i can get at the moment is this carbon board. Thank you
Bought this Board came DOA, IO on the back would light up but the board would not post tried jumping the board (by touching the power pins with a screw driver) nothing would happen. Sucks it was the motherboard in mind for my build, Planned to return and try another one if I don't find a better option(any recommendations would greatly be appreciated).
Hey, thanks for the super useful video. I am rocking this board but with the 14700K. Do you think the same voltage config would be applicable? I seem to instantly hit 100 degrees in Cinibench despite reasonable temps in games.
@@lulufolds well in the end, I replaced my Noctua DH15 air cooler with a MSI MEG S360 AIO. I can now run a "reasonable" overclock without thermal throttling. Also got good air flow in the case. 2 x intake at the front, 1 x exhaust back, 1 x intake at the bottom, plus the AIO exhausting at the top.
@@FarObserver im using the h150i with 6 fans on the rad, 12 fans in the case together. Cinebench hits 100c in a second of starting 😞 think that aio isn't good enough.
@@lulufolds hmm, bare in mind I'm in no way an expert in OC'ing/tuning mobo's so please take what I say with a large pinch of salt, but are you sure you've got enough thermal paste or that it is distributed evenly? I would expect your cooler to cope if you are reducing voltage and not pushing anything. Might also be worth checking airflow is going one way and not creating negative air pressure. Sometimes less is more with this stuff! Also, I did have to tune my fan curves a bit, particularly on the CPU to make it more aggressive.
@@FarObserver if anything I put too much thermal paste, X LOL the airflow is fine, this is me upgrade in my case since having a 9700 k, idle temp are good it's just running cinebench I get 100c right away, instantly, gaming it stays below 85c, doing research this is pretty normal for this chip and they can handle 120c, I just can't find a good video for the motherboard msi z790 wifi of how to undervolt. I'm not an expert either in overclocker. I just lowered the voltage till it was stable yesterday, -.050 , so i lost the lottery on that. and might bring it down to level four or five I was reading could help but I really don't know what I'm doing with the other configs
Could the BIOS settings for the CPU potentially cause frame drops and stuttering in game? Been trying to solve this problem for months and have pretty much just resigned myself to it.
I have a similar problem with my i9-13900K.. By default BIOS Setting MSI z790 (K-on auto + XMP-on) I have CBR23 ~ 40K multicore points @ 300-325 Watts but have 100 degrees + throttling... NZXT Kraken X73 can't stop that monster!!! ((( Vcore 1.300 and offset -0.065 or -0.075 not much help... ( Today I will try your 3-point advice and see the result..... (Core Voltage 1.300 + CPU LCC Mode 5 + Lock BCLK)
Setting a fixed voltage concerns me. I believe you shouldn't take away the CPU's ability to drop the voltage to 0.7-0.8V in idle or light load, and forcing it to stay at 1.25-1.3V all the time.
If you have MSI Z790 motherboard then the latest BIOS update with 0x12B has new features that add a voltage limit. I think you are right and one should use that option to limit voltage to 1.30v rather than setting a fix 1.30v all the time.
Hey I'm thinking about getting this for my i9 12900k would I need to undervolt that? I'm switching to DDR5 and this is the board I'm interested in. I can get this for £399 right now is it worth it? I currentley have an MSI Z690 Edge WIFI DDR4.
Not sure if I'm doing something different I did this build with that mobo and the 13700k and just currently have it on auto and am not seeing any weirdness on the core temps at all, seems to be performing well. I will have to doublecheck my settings.
It depends what work your CPU is performing and hence how much power it is using. A light or medium workload is fine. We were demonstrating those CPUs working flat out
in 90% of the cases u won't see this issue , the issue only appeared when he was trying to load the CPU on maximum load which you probably won't do so it is fine to go with auto
Hello Leo. I just bought MSI Z790 gaming wifi plus motherboard with 14700K I installed Noctua D15S CPU fan successfully. I don't have a graphic card yet. I will buy soon. My choice will be 4070Ti super or 4080 super. Not decided yet. The question is, After installing noctua, It seems that, I won't be able to install graphic card to the first suggested Pci ex 4.0 slot, I have to install the below one which is also 4.0 slot. Will it be problem in anyway or disadvantages? Thank you...
Are you sure you have the cooler installed correctly? This motherboard has plenty of room above the CPU socket and I wonder whetehr your cooler is rotated 90 degrees. Slot 1 is Gen 5.0 while slot 3 is Gen 4.0 so moving your graphics card is theoretically an issue. The thing is, it shouldn't be necessary. Leo
@@KitGuruTech I checked one more time :) The express slot which is in the top of the motherboard is Pci ex 5.0 and the slot is covered with metal. Others are plastic. The noctua is installed correctly, the radiators are set vertical 90 degree. Not horizontal. I watched many different videos and same as them. I can see the metal slot under the radiator. But so close to the radiator. I am not sure If I will use that port :)) Thank you for your help, I think I will be sure when I buy the graphics card :))
I got my board in and setup my new i9 13900k and still get high wattage. 330 watts max. I must be doing something wrong or these settings no longer work under the new bios...
i really cant decide between the MSI MPG Z790 Carbon WIFI and the MSI MPG Z690 Carbon WIFI. I´m gonna build a high end PC and gonna get the I9-139000K with a 4090 rtx. Is it worth the 100 bucks?
the ports usb3 port and sata ports would be called horizontally mounted instead of vertically mounted, I don't think laid down is a very technical term LOL
That is correct when the motherboard is on the test bench as per the video however it spends its working life in a different orientation inside the case. Leo
hello, have you had any problems accessing the bios or the usb boot key because it is impossible for me on my z790 carbon, my pc starts up and arrives directly on the windows page, do you have a tip because I don't know what to do? it works 1 time out of 50
I just got a 13900 non K and all that voltage may actually be useful. As a reviewer you may be getting great silicon but it seems Intel selling plenty of ass silicon that needs all that voltage. What I really dislike is how everyone is benching these chips overclocked instead of at their published specifications that they are guaranteed to operate at. Combined with cherry picked silicon these reviews end up being quite misleading.
I think i found this video too late for my cpu/mobo. one of them is def fried. The computer would put a blister on your finger if you touched the aluminum case. Was always running all auto settings and everything crashes now. When I tried settings from video, it crashes even quicker, even bluescreens on startup sometimes.
The issue seems to me partly that MSI picks power limits that are too high for each type of cooler and also that those limits use Vcore that is too high. The annoying part is that MSI could doubtless fix this without much work. I shall add 'in my opinion' to leave some wiggle room. Leo
I have a question. Currently have an am4 3700X processor, 64ram3200, X570 tomahawck motherboard and rtx 3080 graphics, it has never gone smooth in Blender and crash in render due to insufficient vram everyday. My question is if I make a last cheap bet with an am4 5950x (same mother, ram...) to upgrade to RTX 4090 or this is stupid, because of bottleneck and because the single core workflow in Blender is a deficit of amd or directly I abandon amd (any AMD) and mount a full setup intel L1700 with 13900, bla,bla,bla, bla, accompanying the RTX 4090??? The fact is that I am impressed with a 1000€ laptop (Lenovo with intel 12700 and RTX 3060 that runs smooth as silk.
Can you help me configure i7 14700k and MSI MAG Z790 Tomahawk DDR5. Right now it's stable and I've also updated to the latest BIOS(0x12B) where there is a new option to limit voltage. 1) CPU LLC on default (Auto: Mode 16) show 1.1/1.1 mOhms of AC/DC LL. 2) CPU LLC set to auto. If I manually set AC/DC load line to Mode 9(as per previous BIOS) AC/DC LL changes to 0.4/1.1 basically there is undervolting going on and using this Lite load mode cinebench score drops significantly because CEP starts to kick in. To mitigate this situation I've to turn off IA CEP. Now I want to lower both AC/DC LL (0.5 or 0.6 mOhms) and also want to match it with LLC then I'll slightly undervolt+offset. What LLC value should I set and how can I verify that the value I set for LLC is equal to 0.6 or 0.5 mOhms. Otherwise keep it short and suggest me LLC and AC/DC LL values...
Hi! Great reviews, thanks. I have a question reg. trhe M2 slot 1 and slot 2. I will use gen 4 nvme dis, whick slot will be most optimal to use ? I want to use one that is connected directly to CPU without interferring with VGA PCI slot... By the way, I can't find the block diagram for this mainboard, anyone does know where to get it ?
Perfect timing, just booted up a 13700K yesterday, MSI tomahawk, arctic 360, seeing roughly the same 'auto' performance/heat as you. And so I have a question, never messed with my CPU before(oc/undervolt). 3 takeaways from the video, set cpu core voltage to 1.3, loadline calibration to mode 5, and set BCLK 100mhz lock on to enabled. Do that, reboot, retest and cross my fingers. Do I understand those changes correct? I have a clear CMOS button on back so not too worried, but just wanted to be sure. Thanks for any input!
That would replicate the settings I used. You could likely increase LLC to 3 and perhaps drop Vcore towards 1.25V. The BCLK lock may not bring any benefit but having it floating around didn't seem to help so .....
Leo
Hey Scotty did you ever find the best settings for you?
@@KitGuruTechHey kit, have you tested the 13700k any more on this board would those be the most optimal settings to use? Or should I use the ones you mentioned in the video. If you could lmk that would be great! Keep up the good work ❤️
@@joe-ox5rc hey Joe, 1.25vcore and LLC at 3 works great for me.
@@ScottyGG thank you Scotty!
As a 13900k owner, this was the best video i've seen explaining whats going on. Thanks so much :D 13900k not throttle anymore and fps not spiking up and down anymore
Glad it helped!
Do you guys have same mother board? This guy look like he knows what he's taking about but my mother board is z790 edge WiFi, do you think I can apply same settings?
It works! 13900KF, Carbon WiFi used for Orchestration and composing… maxing out a big project I got the same results. Your tweaks got it dancing in the 80s when at 100%, thank you! Using a Noctua NH-D15 but I set the BIOS for water cooling to get max value, then applied your changes. Thank you for posting!
that was some bios work Leo. It’s helped my mate already with his setup 👌🏻
Like the simplicity of the bios setup but Leo's experience improved it's performance.
Some great bios settings there. I helped my buddy tune his 13700k. Dropped his temps by 15c !!! 😃 maybe you should do a guide video on this stuff leo
Great review and thanks for the tips on the settings. Looking to pair one of these with a 13700K in a couple of weeks.
Thanks Leo. These settings are so useful to have. 👌🏻
Thumbnail of the year leo 😂 good board and hopefully this can be used as a guide for people who get it until msi fix the bios. I know a lot of people who don’t like messing in a bios too much.
I grabbed the AMD one few days ago, will be plugging away this weekend. nice timely video :)
Good board. Im sure they can fix those silly power issues with a bios update. Hope you reported it to them to fix !
He already did by making this video. For free. Which should not happen in capitalism.
Thank you so much for the overclock settings, my 13900ks sincerely thanks you.
It runs so much better with 1.3v limit, still giving my Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420mm a good challenge.
Do you have the MSI Z790 Carbon and the Liquid Freezer 2 420mm? That's the combo I'm going with, but worried about compatability issues.
@ocd9033 I have MSI z790 Edge. It's the white version of this board.
My CPU settings is now identical to the video other than the fact that my DDR5 ram is overclocked to 6800mhz at CL32.
@@csguak Did you have to buy a separate bracket? Or the aio cover thing surrounding cpu? Bc I was looking on the Arctic website, and it lists your motherboard as a motherboard that will have an issue with installation. Maybe they fixed that.
Never built a pc, so I'm worried some parts won't be compatible lol. The aio and mobo to start.
@@ocd9033 you need to talk to them separately via email or something. RBG absolutely disgusts me, so the non-rbg version did not come with an upgraded bracket. Arctic shipping speed is garbage, so order it together with Liquid freezer ii 420mm. They will actually give you the new bracket for free, but you will have to wait longer, because you ask for one after you have received your cooler.
There is only a handful of cases that can fit 420mm radiator on top of the cases, so I hope you did your research.
By the way that cooler won't do shit if you don't undervolt 13900ks like exactly done on this video. There isn't an AIO liquid cooler that can cool 13900ks all p-core sustaining 6+ghz on this planet as of April 2023.
Unless you want to de-lid the CPU and direct die custom water loop, be sure to undervolt. You are getting a contact frame right?
@@csguak Yeah I'm glad I came across this video. I honestly don't not a whole bunch about PCs and building them lol. So just doing as much research as I can before I purchase all of my parts.
So looks like I'll be ordering the separate mounting bracket as well. Or just go with another aio. I'm kinda worried about that big plastic cover over the actual cpu area as well. I know they changed that in later versions so it could fit more boards, but who knows which version I'll get through Amazon. Whole thing is stressful lol.
Given Leo's interventions in the bios improved the way the CPU is being treated MSI might want to consider an update to sort that.
@KitGuruTech can you suggest settings for i9 14900K processor. Waiting for your reply
Probably be the same. Also now msi put out an intel default settings bios which will do the default recommended intel settings for you.
Already tried it,and currently using it with i9 14900kf works perfectly fine with rtx3070, full msi build.
Love Leos laissez-faire crashing the motherboard across the desk while detailing it's features.
What a great end to the week, a LEO Video!!
thank you so much, great video, very important for my new i7 13700k new system build.
Great video! I tried tuning the Bios like you did, and my temps were still running the same, but performance jumped by alot! ...I am running a compact 240 AIO. I may have to down clock to 5500 on all P Cores.
Great motherboard especially now as it is down to £330. Just picked up one from ebay as an open box sold via eBuyer at an absurd £227...Well worth shopping around on eBay for the higher end motherboards either open box or refurbished as the price difference is huge....Board has been and absolutly right on reducing the vcore which on auto is set way too high...Set mine to 1.245v on the 13700K and it runs cool boosting to 5.5GHz on 2 cores and 5.4GHz on all the others.....
Super good review, top shelf tech review, Here is where I go for straight review news without any prejudice or unnecessary drama found all over the net these days. Thanks a million.
This channel is awesome. Thanks so much Leo for sharing all your knowledge. I built my PC with components reviewed by Leo and can't be happier with it.
That thumbnail got me laughing for a while 🤣🤣
What I found after testing the settings from Leo in a MSI z790 Edge WiFi is that the temps still get too high as the PL1/PL2 are not limited. Once I set PL1/PL2 to 253W each on top of Leo settings is what makes the performance to drop dramatically as the P-Cores runs at 4GHz and E-Cores runs at 3.6Ghz when the CPU is loaded at 100% in Cinebench.
What solved the temps and performance issues was reverting the VCore and LLC settings (keep the BCLK 100Mhz enabled), set the PL1/PL2 at 253W and use Adaptive+Offset with a negative offset of 0.095 and after this my 13900K barely reach 85-87°C at 100% and the P-Cores runs at 5.5Ghz and E-Cores runs at 4.3Ghz in Cinebench getting 39.835 score.
I'm really thankful to Leo for this video as it allowed me to understand how the CPU behaves and lead me to experiment to solve the issue.
Hi what cinebench version & test were you running for this score?
@@HomeGrownMedia Hi, I used Cinebench r23
@@VGShrine I can only find r24 and the scoring system seems completely different
Love how cool that was running.
This is a just a fantastic walk-through for this motherboard. I'm curious to know if 3 months later if MSI has done anything to address the BIOS issues you address here? So if one was to buy this board today would you need to go in and adjust the settings as you do here? Thanks so much for a great vid!! Well Done!
Just upgraded to this motherboard and no, I have to do the same in the video otherwise my 13700 will thermal throttle at 100c
Just bought it, updated bios, activated xmp and it runs at 88 degrees max on 13700K stock
I think it has been fixed
But, this motherboard still doesn’t run 7200Mhz DDR5 Ram.
@@comptesupprime6031 have you tested yet? according to msi, the 7200 should be supported
@@comptesupprime6031 have you tested yet? according to msi, the 7200 should be supported
I have the Z690 variant (DDR5) with an i9-12900. I think it's an excellent board. Selling point for me was the 5 M.2 slots and VRM. In future I'll do without the ARGB however.
do you have any glitches or problems with the bios? I want to pair the Force variant with a 12600k :)
@@baloneyslice247 no problems at all with this board
Very good review! Do you think I get very low results (33K on Cinebench 23) on my i9 14900K due to lack of VRM on my Gigabyte z790 UD? I have 96GB DDR5 6400 RAM and 850W PSU... I dont get why I get such bad results and as soon as I try the tiniest OC - BSOD.
you sold me on the thumbnail ! you look like a rock star god - Jimmy Page !
Leo speaks; it's time to sit down and listen. And it's time well spent. The most minor of nitpicks: in your chapter titles you have "VRM's" instead of "VRMs"
Our Editor Allan has a hatred for the possessive
Leo
@@KitGuruTech Keep up the good work.
I saw this video, thanks for the information, I am running a MSI Z790 Carbon w/Intel 13700K, I followed your instructions in the video to manually setting the bios and my temperatures dropped. Thank you again, I was wondering how to do this and I was easily able to do it with your video.
What was the setting on your Asus motherboard you changed because I tried to find them they are not as the MSI?
I have a 14900k and I'm having the HARDEST time keeping the temps down, while maintaining its full capabilities. The only way I've found to keep temps reasonable is to set "box cooler" setting but that's severely limiting performance and my cinebench score drops to 36k from 41 (even while bouncing off 100c). I've messed with lite load modes down to 8 from 10 and disabling "enhanced turbo" among other things but I just cant seem to find that happy sweet spot. I'm getting quite frustrated. I may try out these settings when I get home and see if it hits that happy medium but I'd love a video dedicated to taming the 14900k on an MSI board, similar to this one.
Any luck? Same problem
@@Wiebe187 setting it to box cooler or just manually inputting the intel specs is the best way to manage temps. 253w for short and long power limit, 307A icc max and 56 second timer between short and long power though that doesn’t matter if they are both set the same. Also check the “lite load mode”. Mine was set to auto (mode 10) I dropped mine down to mode 8 though I could prob go lower and with those changes alone, my cpu is running massively cooler. Never exceeds mid 70s with 360 AIO
@BipolarBLKSheep so I did this but my cinebench score is only 37k is that normal?
@@Wiebe187 Yeah. That’s actually not bad for intel set specs on a 14900k. If you run higher wattage, you do get better performance but that comes with the cost of more heat. Intel spec and 37k score is a good middle ground.
@@Wiebe187 I don’t even know if the difference between 37k and 40-41k in cinebench is even noticeable with 90% of use cases. So I’ll take the cooler temps over a potentially unnoticeable improvement in performance.
In conclusion the 13600k is a monster of a bargain
Great to see you, Leo. Has Kitguru done any reviews of the various thermal paste available? For example, Arctic 6 vs Noctua NT-H1?
I’d like to see that too ❤
Hey, great video. Could you let me know if this would also work with the 14700kf? As in, same settings?
Also, do you lose any performance doing this?
Thank you.
I see he don't answer, dammit lol
Hi Leo,
I bought this motherboard after reading your review and applied the same settings for my i9 13900KF. Works like a charm.
I also bought the Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Pro X with an i9 13900KF for my son & I am trying to replicate the settings in the Gigabyte BIOS. I can set the Vcore to 1.300 and adjust the LLC, but I cannot find the 'BCLK 100MHz Lock On' option in that Bios. I know you recently reviewed the Aorus board, can you please recommend on what I should do ?
Thanks !
05:32 Another scenario: iGPU dedicated to the Linux KVM hypervisor. First PCIe 5.0 x16 slot (x8 mode) dedicated and passed through to the Windows VM. Second PCIe 5.0 x16 slot (x8 mode) dedicated and passed through to the Linux VM. Hypervisor on monitor #1. Windows on monitor #2. Linux on monitor #3. Running simultaneously. Side-by-side.
Is it possible for you to post here the changes you made to the BIOS settings to get the better performance and temps? Thanks so much!
Thank you for the BIOS settings that was very helpful, as I start my build at the weekend I cant however find bios version 1.4 only 1.3 on the web site
Good news for my i5-14600KF. I still have the throttle ceiling set to 80C just in case.
Would these setting also work well for a i7-14700K?
Question, Leo, I purchased the 13900KS and this motherboard combo. Does the KS need the undervolting also?
Good guide this for new buyers. 👍🏻
Hi great video. I'm actually building with this board in 2 days, I am using a 13700K would you recommend using these settings or do I need to modify them?
Interesting, I had to tweak my gigabyte z790 aero g +13700k but I'm running air not an AIO. A -.65mv underclock sorted my temperature issues and everything has been running great since the changes. After seeing this I'll have to poke around a bit more and see what the PL presets are.
Thank you so much for sharing this video with us. I have the same problem, the computer which I bought 2 weeks ago is still sitting at the market because of overheating. I'm not understanding clearly video because my English is not good. If I make these 3 settings from the bios as you said, the temperature drops as you say and the performance increases, right? I would be very grateful if you could take the time to reply
Nice, now can you show us how to do it on an ASROCK z690 board :)
Is the one M2 Gen 5 slot making any speed diffence ? This is one of the more uniques features compared to some cheaper options.
With MSI boards, even better than changing the vcore directly is to lower the CPU Lite Load Mode from the default setting of 9 to something like Level 6 or 5.
There are many ways to go about the job which makes it all the more annoying that MSI didn't choose to pick one and go with it.
Leo
Im new to messing with my CPU in bios, can you explain why you suggest this? I've got a new 13700k on an MSI tomahawk and just poking around for advice/info. Thank you. :)
Hmm... tried your settings with an i9 13900KS with Carbon, but no change in temperature. Still zooming to 100° C. But came here looking for how to enable undervolting so Intel XTU will work... where is that setting in bios?
I'm getting a carbon wifi ii with a 14700k i7..did they ever address the power bios issue?
Ok, this is driving me nuts. Does the MSI MPG Z790 Carbon WIFI have Intel Turbo Boost and Intel Turbo Boost Max 3.0? Nowhere in the spec manual does it mention it or on their website. I was waiting for you to click on "Advanced CPU configuration" to see if it was there. (obviously not blaming you for not showing; that part of the video was to just show how to adjust settings manually to prevent too much power consumption/overheating, etc; which is helpful if I end up getting this board, so ty!)
Can you quickly confirm or deny if this mobo has TB and TBM 3.0?
EDIT: 8:53, it's right there! Ok, ty. It would be crazy if it didn't have these basic features. I think I'm just gonna splurge and go for this board. If I get thermal throttling outside of the box (using a 360 Kraken), I'll just under volt it a bit.
I haven’t seen too many reviews on z790. Is this power issue across other boards too ?
Do you have a tutorial like this for a 14700k using this msi bios? Very difficult to find. So far i got a stable -.050v (bad lottery i guess) but scared to touch anything else. Cinebench still touching 100c but less power is being drawn. Or can I use ur bios undervolt settings on a 14700k aswell?
hi there I am looking for same answers. i9 14700K msi z790 carbon wifi motherboard
@@verbold1979 I got a thermal frame since this post, extreme grizzly thermal paste, kept the -.050 under clock and called it a day
you would probably still have to remove the GPU to access the bottom 3 m.2 slots whether the heat shield was in eith er 1 piece or 2 pieces
In order to make those changes and not have any issues with the CPU's voltages and thermals, it is recommended to disable Game Boost, right?
Not sure whether you mean Game Mode in Windows 11 rather than Game Boost. Either way the answer is ' I only made those three changes and nothing else'
Leo
@@KitGuruTech Interesting.
8:41 top left underneath the CPU and DDR speeds, you'll see "Game Boost", which I believe is some an overclock setting by MSI, not sure if correlates to Game Mode in Win11. But if you click the CPU button underneath Game Boost, it'll essentially overclock the CPU.
My ASUS ProArt Z790-CREATOR WIFI also gave far too much voltage onto my 13900KS. With a negative offset of -50mV (it can work with even less but I want to have it rock solid) and PL1 and PL2 both limited to 320W cooled by my custom loop with EK Velocity² full copper block it barely reaches 90°C now and gets me a Cinebench R23 score of 41000. I think the issue is not really voltage, it's within spec. The issue is the insane power limits that come out of the box. I didn't even have such a cooling selection. PL2 was on 4095 and PL1 on 350W out of the box. I think they do this to look faster in reviews because they think they just run short benchmarks with overkill cooling.
Have these BIOS issues been fixed as of release 7D89v17? I'm sick of the headaches with my ASUS ROG Strix Z790-E, have never had an issue with MSI, but don't want to jump from the frying pan into the fire....
After using the same tweaks, my cinebench scores dropped. 13700K + 240mm AIO
Hi, I just built my new system running this Mobo and the 13900k, I followed the same steps as you provided, enabled BLCK at 100 and left everything else as default, however I'm finding my CPU's clock speed is constantly fluctuating between 4.9 and 5.5Ghz rather than being locked at a certain frequency. Sometimes it drops even lower to 3Ghz randomly. The bios has been updated to the latest version (v16). Is there a setting I'm missing that should lock the speed?
A bit too late. Change the windows power options from balanced to high performance
Will these settings currently work on a MSI Z790 MEG ACE? I’m currently building a system with a 13900ks and a 420mm Aio. First system I built in a while and I’m a bit nervous messing with voltage settings.
If you change the CPU cooler tuning to cap out to 253w with “Boxed Cooler” would that have helped instead of auto on the other settings or manually setting your CPU??
Currently looking at the MB for 399.99 do you think it’s a good deal now and have the issues been remedied? Looking to company this with a i7.
Hey. I have just built a pc using this board.
Everythings running mega cool and lovely. But for some reason the temperature that reads as system in msi center and just as system in the bios hardware monitor was saying it was 100c! After gaming for a while. But cpu and gpu were only 40 to 50c and nothing on the motherboard was physically hot at all.
I am having trouble finding out what the temperature under the title system actually relates to. Do you have any ideas?
I remenbered this video when I saw it and thought maybe its them overkill vrams so I have just manually set my 13th gen i7 to the settings you said to use here and will see if it does it again.
But any ideas? It is very strange. Maybe a senson just went barmy.
You just need to enforce intel limits… it’s 1 setting, you don’t need to do all that… also, never load optimized defaults.. literally EVERY mobo (over 200$USD) manufacturer overrides intels settings causing high voltage and overheating.
Given how easily that SSD popped out think I'd prefer it was held in with an actual screw.
the EPS connectors are above the fixed I/O shield not behind it
Will these same settings apply to the 17 1400k? As my current board is faulty and the only replacement i can get at the moment is this carbon board. Thank you
14700k ?
Bought this Board came DOA, IO on the back would light up but the board would not post tried jumping the board (by touching the power pins with a screw driver) nothing would happen. Sucks it was the motherboard in mind for my build, Planned to return and try another one if I don't find a better option(any recommendations would greatly be appreciated).
Now that they have released an update, does it still have the BIOS issue?
I plan to buy this card with an 13700K, the auto performance problem still here?
Depressingly few expansion ports nowadays but guess everything you'll ever need is already onboard.
Hey, thanks for the super useful video. I am rocking this board but with the 14700K. Do you think the same voltage config would be applicable? I seem to instantly hit 100 degrees in Cinibench despite reasonable temps in games.
Got any advice? So far I got a stable -.050v but still hitting that 100c
@@lulufolds well in the end, I replaced my Noctua DH15 air cooler with a MSI MEG S360 AIO. I can now run a "reasonable" overclock without thermal throttling. Also got good air flow in the case. 2 x intake at the front, 1 x exhaust back, 1 x intake at the bottom, plus the AIO exhausting at the top.
@@FarObserver im using the h150i with 6 fans on the rad, 12 fans in the case together. Cinebench hits 100c in a second of starting 😞 think that aio isn't good enough.
@@lulufolds hmm, bare in mind I'm in no way an expert in OC'ing/tuning mobo's so please take what I say with a large pinch of salt, but are you sure you've got enough thermal paste or that it is distributed evenly? I would expect your cooler to cope if you are reducing voltage and not pushing anything. Might also be worth checking airflow is going one way and not creating negative air pressure. Sometimes less is more with this stuff! Also, I did have to tune my fan curves a bit, particularly on the CPU to make it more aggressive.
@@FarObserver if anything I put too much thermal paste, X LOL the airflow is fine, this is me upgrade in my case since having a 9700 k, idle temp are good it's just running cinebench I get 100c right away, instantly, gaming it stays below 85c, doing research this is pretty normal for this chip and they can handle 120c, I just can't find a good video for the motherboard msi z790 wifi of how to undervolt. I'm not an expert either in overclocker. I just lowered the voltage till it was stable yesterday, -.050 , so i lost the lottery on that. and might bring it down to level four or five I was reading could help but I really don't know what I'm doing with the other configs
How does it compare to Asrock Z790 Nova?
Could the BIOS settings for the CPU potentially cause frame drops and stuttering in game? Been trying to solve this problem for months and have pretty much just resigned myself to it.
Most of stuttering issues seem to point to memory. Do you have enough system memory and is it working properly? Also what graphics card?
I have a similar problem with my i9-13900K.. By default BIOS Setting MSI z790 (K-on auto + XMP-on) I have CBR23 ~ 40K multicore points @ 300-325 Watts but have 100 degrees + throttling... NZXT Kraken X73 can't stop that monster!!! (((
Vcore 1.300 and offset -0.065 or -0.075 not much help... (
Today I will try your 3-point advice and see the result..... (Core Voltage 1.300 + CPU LCC Mode 5 + Lock BCLK)
Setting a fixed voltage concerns me. I believe you shouldn't take away the CPU's ability to drop the voltage to 0.7-0.8V in idle or light load, and forcing it to stay at 1.25-1.3V all the time.
If you have MSI Z790 motherboard then the latest BIOS update with 0x12B has new features that add a voltage limit. I think you are right and one should use that option to limit voltage to 1.30v rather than setting a fix 1.30v all the time.
How about 14900kf undervolt bios setting?
I try the settings on the video but got bsod
Was looking for a comment like this, dam, was hoping it worked. So hard to find a msi bios 14700k undervolt video
Hey I'm thinking about getting this for my i9 12900k would I need to undervolt that? I'm switching to DDR5 and this is the board I'm interested in. I can get this for £399 right now is it worth it? I currentley have an MSI Z690 Edge WIFI DDR4.
Not sure if I'm doing something different I did this build with that mobo and the 13700k and just currently have it on auto and am not seeing any weirdness on the core temps at all, seems to be performing well. I will have to doublecheck my settings.
It depends what work your CPU is performing and hence how much power it is using. A light or medium workload is fine. We were demonstrating those CPUs working flat out
in 90% of the cases u won't see this issue , the issue only appeared when he was trying to load the CPU on maximum load which you probably won't do so it is fine to go with auto
Hello Leo. I just bought MSI Z790 gaming wifi plus motherboard with 14700K
I installed Noctua D15S CPU fan successfully.
I don't have a graphic card yet. I will buy soon. My choice will be 4070Ti super or 4080 super. Not decided yet.
The question is, After installing noctua, It seems that, I won't be able to install graphic card to the first suggested Pci ex 4.0 slot, I have to install the below one which is also 4.0 slot.
Will it be problem in anyway or disadvantages?
Thank you...
Are you sure you have the cooler installed correctly? This motherboard has plenty of room above the CPU socket and I wonder whetehr your cooler is rotated 90 degrees. Slot 1 is Gen 5.0 while slot 3 is Gen 4.0 so moving your graphics card is theoretically an issue. The thing is, it shouldn't be necessary.
Leo
@@KitGuruTech I checked one more time :)
The express slot which is in the top of the motherboard is Pci ex 5.0 and the slot is covered with metal. Others are plastic.
The noctua is installed correctly, the radiators are set vertical 90 degree. Not horizontal. I watched many different videos and same as them.
I can see the metal slot under the radiator. But so close to the radiator.
I am not sure If I will use that port :))
Thank you for your help, I think I will be sure when I buy the graphics card :))
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I think mine will be as 08:55 :)))
Can this cause games to suddenly just close on you?
I got my board in and setup my new i9 13900k and still get high wattage. 330 watts max. I must be doing something wrong or these settings no longer work under the new bios...
i really cant decide between the MSI MPG Z790 Carbon WIFI and the MSI MPG Z690 Carbon WIFI. I´m gonna build a high end PC and gonna get the I9-139000K with a 4090 rtx. Is it worth the 100 bucks?
crazy cpu never heard of the i9-139000k i only have the i9-13900k
@@droddel123imagine not knowing what a typo is 😂
@naginuub1092 Imagine not knowing what sarcasm is
the ports usb3 port and sata ports would be called horizontally mounted instead of vertically mounted, I don't think laid down is a very technical term LOL
That is correct when the motherboard is on the test bench as per the video however it spends its working life in a different orientation inside the case.
Leo
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so the mpg z790 carbon vs asus rog z790-E Gaming? £90 difference (msi cheaper)
Hello just wondering if I should update mine to the new v15 in bios ??
hello, have you had any problems accessing the bios or the usb boot key because it is impossible for me on my z790 carbon, my pc starts up and arrives directly on the windows page, do you have a tip because I don't know what to do? it works 1 time out of 50
Shut it down then turn it on again then click the button for bios
How to change the same setting on Asus z790 motherboard?
How can I adjust my 7200 Mhz Teamgroup motherboard to work properly on this motherboard?
I just got a 13900 non K and all that voltage may actually be useful. As a reviewer you may be getting great silicon but it seems Intel selling plenty of ass silicon that needs all that voltage.
What I really dislike is how everyone is benching these chips overclocked instead of at their published specifications that they are guaranteed to operate at. Combined with cherry picked silicon these reviews end up being quite misleading.
Isn't the m.2 _2 slot the gen 5? The one closest to the main GPU slot?
Yes, quite correct. M2_1 at the top is Gen 4.0, M2_2 is Gen 5.0
Leo
Thoughts on using that vs not for gaming? I’d love the faster speed but won’t it split lanes with the gpu? Seems like a big sacrifice?
I think i found this video too late for my cpu/mobo. one of them is def fried. The computer would put a blister on your finger if you touched the aluminum case. Was always running all auto settings and everything crashes now. When I tried settings from video, it crashes even quicker, even bluescreens on startup sometimes.
If you set BIOS to "Tower Cooler" does Auto do a better job?
The issue seems to me partly that MSI picks power limits that are too high for each type of cooler and also that those limits use Vcore that is too high. The annoying part is that MSI could doubtless fix this without much work. I shall add 'in my opinion' to leave some wiggle room.
Leo
Hey. Why no display port
I have a question. Currently have an am4 3700X processor, 64ram3200, X570 tomahawck motherboard and rtx 3080 graphics, it has never gone smooth in Blender and crash in render due to insufficient vram everyday. My question is if I make a last cheap bet with an am4 5950x (same mother, ram...) to upgrade to RTX 4090 or this is stupid, because of bottleneck and because the single core workflow in Blender is a deficit of amd or directly I abandon amd (any AMD) and mount a full setup intel L1700 with 13900, bla,bla,bla, bla, accompanying the RTX 4090??? The fact is that I am impressed with a 1000€ laptop (Lenovo with intel 12700 and RTX 3060 that runs smooth as silk.
Can you help me configure i7 14700k and MSI MAG Z790 Tomahawk DDR5. Right now it's stable and I've also updated to the latest BIOS(0x12B) where there is a new option to limit voltage.
1) CPU LLC on default (Auto: Mode 16) show 1.1/1.1 mOhms of AC/DC LL.
2) CPU LLC set to auto.
If I manually set AC/DC load line to Mode 9(as per previous BIOS) AC/DC LL changes to 0.4/1.1 basically there is undervolting going on and using this Lite load mode cinebench score drops significantly because CEP starts to kick in. To mitigate this situation I've to turn off IA CEP.
Now I want to lower both AC/DC LL (0.5 or 0.6 mOhms) and also want to match it with LLC then I'll slightly undervolt+offset. What LLC value should I set and how can I verify that the value I set for LLC is equal to 0.6 or 0.5 mOhms.
Otherwise keep it short and suggest me LLC and AC/DC LL values...
The GPU is insanely huge.
What about M.2 (PCIe 5.0) ? If I install my drive in this slot, is my PCIE will downgrade from 16x to 8x ?
Yes it will, you are quite correct.
@@KitGuruTech Thanx for reply. Is any mainboard where 16x stay 16x ?
@@SoundChaser_ Not that I am aware - if anyone knows otherwise they are welcome to comment below
Leo
@@KitGuruTech I understand. Anyway I didn't find any m.board. Maybe Im odd but for me slot Nvme 5.0 is useless at this point :)
@@KitGuruTech Update: Probably MSI Z790 Godlike mainboard's M.2 5.0 is not sharing bandwidth and PCIE 16x is 16x
Hi! Great reviews, thanks. I have a question reg. trhe M2 slot 1 and slot 2. I will use gen 4 nvme dis, whick slot will be most optimal to use ? I want to use one that is connected directly to CPU without interferring with VGA PCI slot... By the way, I can't find the block diagram for this mainboard, anyone does know where to get it ?