MIKE MENTZER: "LIFTING” WEIGHTS IS A WASTE OF TIME

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    In this video, Mike Mentzer reveals the success he has had with clients who simply hold a weight statically in the fully contracted position, and then lower it slowly and under control. As static and negative strength is greater than positive strength, Mike suggests that trainees forgo training in their weakest range; that is, lifting the weights, entirely. His reasons are compelling.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 329

  • @ClicClikBang
    @ClicClikBang Рік тому +382

    Dude had the concepts of time under tension and neuromuscular recruitment patterns figured out far before we had studies to describe them.

    • @metalfingerz4203
      @metalfingerz4203 Рік тому +14

      Guess what: before studying you discover

    • @mr.potatohead6138
      @mr.potatohead6138 Рік тому +24

      Joe weider and his boy Arnold kinda screwed things up...

    • @osamintv6135
      @osamintv6135 Рік тому +9

      That's usually how everything happens. The studies do not discover anything new.
      Someone notices something and thinks hmmm interesting let's study this and see how it works.

    • @allsmilesguy
      @allsmilesguy Рік тому

      @@ClicClikBangwithout fail there’s always a retard contrarian commenter

    • @seagie382
      @seagie382 Рік тому +1

      @@osamintv6135 Observe and think, then hypothesize based on what you see and study existing knowledge, then experiment and analyze the results, then use the results to decide if the hypothesis was true or not. This is how we can determine what is true about the world!

  • @mrjamesgill
    @mrjamesgill Рік тому +301

    You know it's interesting, when you hear "truth" that resonates with you. You realize how simple things are. It just makes sense. This is a perfect example of this...

    • @KingDerek58
      @KingDerek58 Рік тому

      You know this guy was on extraordinary amounts of steroids and running on pure meth right?

    • @digiage795
      @digiage795 Рік тому +6

      Exactly

    • @Stopvotingdemocrat
      @Stopvotingdemocrat Рік тому +8

      We need to bro g politics back to common sense. Stop this woke crap. There is no better family than a family with morals and values.

    • @ITRiBUTEI
      @ITRiBUTEI Рік тому +7

      As i was listening to this, I remembered that my chest arms lats and traps all blew up when I had to hold heavy things in a "hug" position (idk how to explain it) and carry them across the field
      The only "lifting" was done to bring the weight up
      Then i would have to bring the weight across the field, the whole time holding it while contracting my muscles.
      By the end of the job i had a better pump than i did in the gym .
      It really is all about resistance

    • @zacharyharbridge9231
      @zacharyharbridge9231 Рік тому +3

      Would the action be something similar to what strongmen do with atlas stones?
      But yeah for the last month I've been doing controlled reps, 4 seconds down, two seconds up for push and the reverse for pull. Same with my squats. Taking a long time, staying braced and contracted is taxing but feels so good and I've noticed waaay more growth when i focus on contraction compared to lifting heavy weight for reps

  • @itzakehrenberg3449
    @itzakehrenberg3449 Рік тому +166

    I am absolutely delighted with this video! In modern terms, holding the weight is called "static contraction training"; I've tried it over the last 2 weeks after thinking about ways to increase intensity and reading about it on the internet, so this video is quite timely for me. I do it just as MM described (except I just did a single rep)! My bench press increased by 15 pounds after ONE session of doing this for a SINGLE rep (5 days rest, one light warmup set though).
    Mike Mentzer & Arthur Jones were way ahead of their time.

    • @eoinforHIT
      @eoinforHIT Рік тому +5

      I think you will lose dynamic strength. This happened to me when I trained static holds only a decade back. I got strong doing static holds but also got to the point where I needed someone help me get into the holding position but didn't have anyone to do so. When I returned to normal dynamic training I had lost strength.

    • @wintertime331
      @wintertime331 Рік тому +9

      @@eoinforHITI think it’s important to do both. I remember using static holds on the smith machine at 365lbs flat bench , I did this for a number of weeks, then went in on a day after proper rest and did 2 sets ( on the smith machine ) of 8 full reps at 405lbs , in between I did a few sets of full reps lighter to not Lose that connection , hence important to do both 👍

    • @danski6694
      @danski6694 Рік тому

      @@eoinforHITget or use a rack with spotter arms!

    • @supragame1991
      @supragame1991 Рік тому +5

      You know, I have tried static contraction training. It works.....for a season. Nice if it works, but it just doesnt. But the main point that Mike is trying to drive home is that as a bodybuilder we are focused on building muscle.
      Getting stronger just happens to be part of the recipe. But when strength becomes the ultimate goal is when the bodybuilder fails.

    • @supragame1991
      @supragame1991 Рік тому +1

      ​@@wintertime331​ honestly, whatever you're doing is working and to be honest you might be somewhat genetically inclined. The vast majority of lifters will never be able to bench two plates on each side for 10 reps. To do it with 4 plates on each side for 8 full reps even on Smith machine is wildly impressive and not achievable for most lifters, even those on gear.

  • @idolatrystudios
    @idolatrystudios Рік тому +20

    It's insane how much sense that this guy is making. Dude this is changing everything for me. WOW!

  • @Kul826
    @Kul826 Рік тому +79

    I’m going to be honest. It was about five years ago that an injury made me turn to training with mikes protocols. I made more gains in three months then in five years of training the way I was previously and I’m not joking so needless to say I never looked back in terms of Training methodology.
    It is only this hit style of training that has allowed me to make considerable gains and continue making them and I was very very sceptical going into it but mikes principles are the only principles which allow me to continue growing, getting more ripped and more importantly staying injury free. Mike and Ray were legends, may they rest in peace

    • @mountiescorner
      @mountiescorner Рік тому +2

      Interesting, that’s awesome
      How’s your energy levels outside the gym with training this way

    • @Kul826
      @Kul826 Рік тому +8

      @@mountiescorner Brother, when I did high volume I literally would be dragging myself around outside the gym but now it’s almost as if I have as much intensity outside energy wise as I do in the gym.
      The only other thing that’s quite interesting but something I cannot explain is my explosive power has gone through the roof when I train kickboxing and I used to do Olympic lifting and metrics which I had to Stop for awhile due to knee injury hence the reason I turn to heavy duty. It wasn’t until about six weeks into training HD I was messing around on a punchbag and I just felt completely different but I cannot explain how this helps. Maybe it’s because it allows your nervous system to recuperate and recover because you train barely twice a week?

    • @kevintan4603
      @kevintan4603 Рік тому +3

      ​@@Kul826so you're doing the train once every 4 days thing?

    • @mountiescorner
      @mountiescorner Рік тому +4

      @@Kul826 so that’s why I was curious. You always hear that training to failure is super taxing on your central nervous system so I was wondering if it affects your energy outside of the gym
      But maybe because of the lower volume it doesn’t have as much of an impact. I’ll have to try this out and let you know! Thanks for writing back brother

    • @tuhinmukherjee2532
      @tuhinmukherjee2532 Рік тому

      Can you share the routine you did?

  • @americanthaiboxer7224
    @americanthaiboxer7224 Рік тому +84

    This video is absolute gold. Shoulders & arms today in negative fashion! I've heard Arthur Jones direct us to accentuate the negative & now having listened to Mentzer explain in finite detail as to why...how can anyone argue with high intensity training?

  • @GENESISCOUPE26
    @GENESISCOUPE26 11 місяців тому +8

    Thanks Mike you changed my life.
    RIP

  • @theoarsman1
    @theoarsman1 Рік тому +45

    Mike was a genius, unfortunately we lost him just when he was scratching the surface.

  • @gman8648
    @gman8648 Рік тому +41

    I don't know where you get these interviews but I've learned more from your channel than just about anywhere. I can't thank you enough for the content and taking the time to make it available.

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  Рік тому +14

      Wow, thanks!

    • @snowy0110
      @snowy0110 Рік тому +9

      @@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE I want to thank you too. Having Mentzer's wisdom on UA-cam is extremely helpful and convinient!

  • @JesusGarcia-Digem
    @JesusGarcia-Digem Рік тому +7

    Wow! Just what I was looking for. Amazing information.

  • @crazyrabbit_
    @crazyrabbit_ Рік тому +72

    I'm currently reading Arthur Jones bibliography and all of this proved to be true through several experiments:
    The negative part of the exercise is the most productive for muscle growth but the least productive for cardiovascular development,
    while the positive part of the exercise has the opposite effect (best for cardio, worst for strength), so he ended up with the accentuated negative:
    Where you lift the weight with both limbs and you lower with one limb which proved to be the best overall, if you want both cardio and strength in one session.

    • @tonykipperman9168
      @tonykipperman9168 Рік тому +1

      The only thing Arthur Jones didn't consider is the variance in recuperative ability in individuals. Most would overtrain following his program. Mike Mentzer did take that into consideration. But Arthur Jones is the founder of HIT hands down

    • @crazyrabbit_
      @crazyrabbit_ Рік тому +2

      @@tonykipperman9168 Actually, Jones was the first one to say that many bodybuilders reached plateaus because of overtraining and he pointed it out repeatedly to Casey Viator who was getting smaller when left to train on his own without a program.

    • @rockon8174
      @rockon8174 Рік тому +1

      🙄 get on a treadmill if you want cardio. A 2 second eccentric has the SAME benefit of a 10 second eccentric!

    • @crazyrabbit_
      @crazyrabbit_ Рік тому

      @@rockon8174 Would you care to elaborate?

  • @drainmonkeys385
    @drainmonkeys385 Рік тому +17

    Proof is in the pudding… lots of people go about it differently and get results.. but honestly I want to spend the least amount of time in the gym as possible

  • @epicslapper6950
    @epicslapper6950 6 місяців тому +3

    this just makes so much sense

  • @blackwingvisuals5017
    @blackwingvisuals5017 Рік тому +26

    Twelve years ago a guy coached me in this technique. Its a long story however as part of my program I lost almost 7 stone! 98lbs approximately. Once I'd hit a significant weight loss goal which was many months into my program, and I was now working remotely as he lived elsewhere. He changed one of my exercises to negative pullups! As I couldn't do one! I had a door jamm bar so had to have bent knees in the extension position not ideal! However after three months of climbing up on a chair and doing static holds and never Once trying a positive only the negative, he asked me to try a positive whilst we were on a face time call. I $h1t you not I did 9 effing full pullups! 4 clean good ones and was kipping at the end but I did them! This stuff is genius! But you need to check your ego at the door first! As for the other parts of the program I was doing three exercises per gym session one set to failure every 6 to 7 days. Two slightly different routines. Week one leg press chest press seated row! Second week leg press shoulder press lat pull down! After three months I also added bodyweight dips. Just because I liked the movement! My food routine was 18 6 IF. Keto until all the excess had gone. But I liked it so much I continued for a further 8 years, the keto that is. But now I do eat some carbs deliberately now. I have never returned to being a lazy slack fat bastard! I am 55 now and suffered a few injuries in the last 5 years but still going strong!
    My motto, "Some will some won't so what fuckem!"
    Come on people get ya shit wired tight and get moving you're a longtime dead! ;^)

  • @shanejohnson1034
    @shanejohnson1034 Місяць тому +2

    RIP Mike.

  • @robertburke8184
    @robertburke8184 4 місяці тому +2

    WOWZA! This is awesome! Thank you for the post!

  • @badmyse1
    @badmyse1 Рік тому +14

    He's absolutely right. Isometrics are fantastic for upping training stimulus.. I personally like to raise the weight, hold the top for 5 seconds while my training partner pushes down, then lower the resistance slowly. Aiming for 4 to 5 repetitions done this way. Isometrics are also useful for rehabbing injuries. Negatives are useful, but I find it difficult to find consistent workout partners that are willing to lift the weight. Negatives are good to go for dips and chins. And the smith machine is cool for partner assisted negatives where the user lifts concentrically under their own power and lowers slowly with the partner pushing down. It takes a competent partner to do this as too little and its a waste and too much and its hospital time. For the average intermediate trainee doing isometrics and negatives like Mentzer suggests is good to go.

  • @CoachNiklas
    @CoachNiklas Рік тому +60

    I've gotten great results with doing 1 set of 60 sec negative reps. Negative reps are extremely taxing and a great stimulus for growth!

    • @Lonewolf__666
      @Lonewolf__666 Рік тому +3

      To taxing for me I found.. Mike came to the conclusion at the end, that positive to failure was enough stimulus for most. But negatives if not to taxing are excellent..

    • @johannespitkamaki1369
      @johannespitkamaki1369 Рік тому

      Yeah sure sure 😂😂 jesus you guys are dum

    • @thomasdolan4541
      @thomasdolan4541 Рік тому

      60 seconds for 1 rep?

    • @CoachNiklas
      @CoachNiklas Рік тому

      @@thomasdolan4541 Yes, TUL 60 seconds, negative only ...

    • @JulianWLucas
      @JulianWLucas Рік тому

      The research shows this too. Although some research exists, concentric and eccentric are pretty equal.

  • @fromtheotherside1980
    @fromtheotherside1980 Рік тому +8

    Very interesting.
    The channel is growing like crazy

  • @vlada
    @vlada Рік тому +5

    My son showed me some of these Mentzer videos this week and I love the acknowledgement and tribute to the great photographers that helped popularize the sport pre internet at the beginning.👏
    The first time I stepped into a gym as a 13yr old in late 70s was at Jimmy Caruso's and I remember my amazement seeing those photos.

  • @lumarious
    @lumarious Рік тому +5

    Oh boy, cant wait to try this....

  • @remdyxx
    @remdyxx 8 місяців тому +4

    This is amazing, thanks

  • @jeffreywingham5302
    @jeffreywingham5302 Рік тому +13

    Pure gold. Thanks for posting these. I miss Mike and Ray two of the nicest guys ive ever met.

  • @radicalgreek99
    @radicalgreek99 Рік тому +9

    I've been doing this for years and he's absolutely correct 💯

  • @BigV24
    @BigV24 Рік тому +13

    Love how Mike was always trying to refine training to make it as efficient as possible. Will try this when I plateau as I already use the appropriate cadence.

  • @guiliano4
    @guiliano4 Рік тому +4

    this might be the most important video about bodybuilding..golden knowledge.

  • @DoubleStudentLoans
    @DoubleStudentLoans Рік тому +5

    This is fascinating

  • @captainbc52
    @captainbc52 Рік тому +14

    Been watching these videos and doing Mike's traditional heavy duty training for a couple months now and have been seeing pretty good gains.. but reaching a plateau now on somebody parts. I've just discovered this video and things are about to change dramatically! I don't have a workout partner but plenty of people in the gym can spot me on this so it's game on tomorrow!

    • @ocalavictory3728
      @ocalavictory3728 Рік тому +1

      How's this newly discovered technique working out?

    • @Phryus
      @Phryus Рік тому

      Bro i need help for static pary
      How long should i hold the weight before going down slowly for negative

    • @captainbc52
      @captainbc52 Рік тому

      @@Phryus just fail. I hold it just short of completely flexed so I'm not locking out as long as I can.... And then I'll lower the weight as slowly as I can actually trying to push it up as it lowers and I can't.
      That's how you know you've gotten a failure.

  • @johnlammergeier2890
    @johnlammergeier2890 Рік тому +6

    This makes sense, because my forearms grow like mad when I do very heavy deads, all my forearms get is that holding and it is very short and yes indeed they blow up

  • @SH-yk4ft
    @SH-yk4ft Рік тому +11

    Already seeing amazing results by doing two sets to positive failure. Can't wait to try this.

    • @yezzzsir
      @yezzzsir Рік тому

      Good luck.

    • @priestesslucy
      @priestesslucy Рік тому

      Positive failure?

    • @yezzzsir
      @yezzzsir Рік тому

      @@priestesslucy Using bench press as an example, can't press the weight back up. (obviously not very safe without safety pins in this case)

    • @chrispprod6440
      @chrispprod6440 Рік тому

      @@yezzzsirdumbbells

  • @dustgun3861
    @dustgun3861 Рік тому +5

    Is not about lifting weights, is about holding them.

  • @monya91674
    @monya91674 11 місяців тому +2

    Fantastic clip and hard to dispute the results. Charles Atlas is the OG of static contraction.
    Less is more!

  • @graDinolol
    @graDinolol Рік тому +5

    Thank you so much for these types of videos and this channel in general. I've read Mikes HIT book and I felt like I wanted to ask him 100 questions, and these videos give me answers to exactly those. Keep his legacy going!

  • @ssing7113
    @ssing7113 Рік тому +7

    Dude was a legend who had the biggest brain of them all in the industry

  • @johnlammergeier2890
    @johnlammergeier2890 Рік тому +5

    this is also great for bodyparts with a very short range of motion, for example abs, forearms, calves etc

  • @tonykipperman9168
    @tonykipperman9168 Рік тому +10

    Starting training like this again. Back in the 80's it put 1/4 of an inch on my arms in one day. Gains won't stay that way (was regaining lost mass after Illness) But this works and the strength gains are phenomenal

    • @Jafmanz
      @Jafmanz Рік тому +4

      That gain was intramuscular swelling.

  • @kuyt3400
    @kuyt3400 Рік тому +5

    This has me excited for training again. Its just been a habit going through the motions now im going to have to be more thoughtful on each movement.

  • @arthurlloyd5165
    @arthurlloyd5165 Рік тому +6

    I'm still not so sure about the minimalistic training volume but this aspect of emphasizing the stretch position is definitely part of Mike's philosophy I totally agree with

    • @deadstate5367
      @deadstate5367 Рік тому

      Yeh that’s the part I’m trying to get my head around also.

  • @westfieldartworks8188
    @westfieldartworks8188 Рік тому +3

    I'm definitely going to try this....thank you.

  • @captainbc52
    @captainbc52 Рік тому +3

    This is an amazing piece of advice. Did this come from a phone interview or one of his tapes? I've never heard this segment before...

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  Рік тому +2

      This comes from a telephone interview he did in 1995 I believe.

  • @ashtonfrett2536
    @ashtonfrett2536 Рік тому +7

    This is gonna be a scary day time at the gym. This sounds intense but I'm gonna try it anyway

  • @dangerdavefreestyle
    @dangerdavefreestyle Рік тому +6

    "Come out to Goods Gym and i'll put you threw a few workouts."
    Can't do that anymore. He's the only personal trainer I would employ.

  • @McCullyClassic
    @McCullyClassic Рік тому +23

    I can’t believe we all listened to Arnold…

    • @mediaisthevirus
      @mediaisthevirus 11 місяців тому +6

      We have been bamboozled

    • @oscarbear7498
      @oscarbear7498 3 місяці тому +5

      I mean we listened to Thomas Edison & ignored Tesla...
      It's the same story told over and over. Once the good guy dies that's when he finally gets the recognition he deserves lol

    • @ronaldmccutcheon1329
      @ronaldmccutcheon1329 20 днів тому +1

      ​@@oscarbear7498 Much truth in that.

  • @BobbyxZx
    @BobbyxZx Рік тому +1

    i love finding tips from legends that validate my methods.

  • @nicholasjanke3476
    @nicholasjanke3476 Рік тому +4

    Mentzer was the John Conner of bodybuilding. I myself never lift weights but only do bodyweight exercises using HIT. Day 1-Sissy squat-1 set-fifty reps, then pushups-1 set-fifty reps. Nine days rest. Then Day 2-Superman pulldowns-1 set-fifty reps. Situps-1 set-fifty reps. I get plenty of sleep, good food. I make great progress.

  • @richbrake9910
    @richbrake9910 Рік тому +6

    For 50 years I always wondered why people bothered to do the positive part of the movement (unless powerlifters) when it is the least productive. The catch is you need a partner for pure negatives and statics.

  • @CWBush73
    @CWBush73 Рік тому +1

    This video of his is better than the rest. He really makes a case for getting the most out of a rep.

  • @MaxONeill403
    @MaxONeill403 Рік тому +6

    I switched to static reps months ago and I'll never go back. Best results I've ever had, least amount of soreness

    • @MaxONeill403
      @MaxONeill403 Рік тому +1

      @@SnoodleHead same here man. It's a deeper fatigue than positive failure but almost no soreness. And tracking is more precise

  • @jakemaxwell2800
    @jakemaxwell2800 Рік тому +5

    Your muscles don't know what reps are.
    It's not about making the weight move up and down, it's about using the weight to deeply fatigue your muscles ability to produce force.
    Volume isn't even measured correctly in most studies because you can gain muscle doing zero "volume" or reps

  • @lesgibbs326
    @lesgibbs326 Рік тому +1

    Wow that's just mind blowing. Thanks for sharing this video. Question the rationale behind the heard i can't believe how many ppl i see training like Mike mentioned and probably wouldn't know where the contraction of the body part is that they are training let alone how important it is.

  • @qbb01
    @qbb01 11 місяців тому +2

    I remember doing this when I was about 6 months into gym. I had always wanted to be able to do pullups but I was far too weak. But I could do negatives where I get to the top position and lower myself down slowly. After just a few weeks I strapped a 20kg (45LB) weight to myself and kept doing this for 5x5 reps, as slowly as possible on the way down. To my amazement, I was able to go from never being able to do pullups do being able to do at least 5 for a few sets in just a few weeks. This methodology really does work.

    • @Richard-dg7pt
      @Richard-dg7pt 4 місяці тому

      Keep it to one set on the pull ups and you will see even more gains.

  • @HeathStephens-l2o
    @HeathStephens-l2o 3 місяці тому +2

    Time to get more strict with my method and form!

  • @martingrey2231
    @martingrey2231 Рік тому +1

    Discovered this from experience.

  • @stephenpoole5331
    @stephenpoole5331 Рік тому +3

    Never thought about the static and slow negative taking as long OR longer time than regular lifting. I other words, the muscle is put under tension FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.

  • @matt_kitson_
    @matt_kitson_ Рік тому +1

    Very good information, want to hear more about negative training John please!

  • @Doctor-Stoppage
    @Doctor-Stoppage Рік тому +14

    There are only two reasons why I always stayed away from Mentzers form of training.
    1. Fear of injury
    2. The lack of fun
    But I wouldn't dream of denying that his methods made more sense scientifically.

    • @tipoftheiceberg7034
      @tipoftheiceberg7034 Рік тому +2

      I just did this training with a friend on the lying Hamstring Curls, seated Hamstring Curls, lat pulldown and the seated machine flies which feel insanely good. No injury, felt amazing, shorter workout

    • @gregkillian8216
      @gregkillian8216 Рік тому +3

      You won’t get injured using proper form with a slow and controlled cadence.

    • @hanzfranz8233
      @hanzfranz8233 Рік тому +1

      And lack of cardiovascular health. Mike didn't believe in cardio.

    • @gregkillian8216
      @gregkillian8216 Рік тому +2

      @@hanzfranz8233 have you ever done a set of high rep back squats to failure?

    • @yezzzsir
      @yezzzsir Рік тому +1

      Not sure what you mean by lack of fun? I would be frustrated spending money and time going to the gym and not getting any results. Instead seeing gains & feeling stronger each time I work out is a huge incentive for me to train.
      Spending less time in the Gym means more time to do more with your life, unless of course people are using the gym primarily to fill a social function.

  • @leefeegreenz
    @leefeegreenz 6 місяців тому +2

    I learned this from Tony Robbins back in 2003

  • @randyrindfleisch6937
    @randyrindfleisch6937 11 місяців тому

    This concept, performed on an Arete' machine, is the ultimate!

  • @ALCRAN2010
    @ALCRAN2010 6 місяців тому +1

    Sounds like a being from a different galaxy casting instructions to us here on earth. This guy was out of this world. 😂

  • @chuckhines459
    @chuckhines459 Рік тому +1

    I'm going to try this tomorrow at the gym.

  • @bobmac9070
    @bobmac9070 Рік тому +3

    That’s almost ironic because that’s exactly what old Charles Atlas use to promote and build his body in. “Dynamic Tension” hold an pose in the static position for a 10 count or more to build muscle. He was in the back of many magazines for years selling his courses!

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  Рік тому +5

      Except it was manual resistance in the case of Charles Atlas. Moreover, there was no negative back pressure, or negative repetition component as Mike advocated.

  • @DJCJ999
    @DJCJ999 Рік тому +4

    Where was this guy when I first started out?
    If I had known about him and his methods instead of idolising Arnie and Rambo I might have actually got somewhere!

  • @andrewmeyers1853
    @andrewmeyers1853 Рік тому +6

    My local JCC had a seated chest press that had a pedals to pul the arms in the extended position. Unfortunately they got rid of it before I could do this kind of holding/negative training. Wish I could’ve bought and or tried it though.

    • @yezzzsir
      @yezzzsir Рік тому +1

      You can use a smith machine with around 70% of your 10 rep max. Push with both hands then lower slowly (around 8 count) with one hand. You can use the same principle with a huge selection of machines or even Dumbbells.

  • @bigsponge9798
    @bigsponge9798 5 місяців тому +2

    Mr. Mike was way ahead of his time. The crazy part is at one point in your life. You've probably done this technique and didn't even know it. Prime i.e. holding a bunch of grocery bags, taking them in the house for your mom. And after your arms were pumped. It be simple things that we don't see. Wax on, wax off.

  • @arivaldus
    @arivaldus 6 місяців тому +2

    Então foi por isso que Casey Viator ganhou quase 30kg de músculo em 30 dias. Ele fez os exercícios apenas na fase negativa lenta.

  • @remminimidget2739
    @remminimidget2739 Рік тому +1

    XCELLENT - - THANK YOU - UA-cam -

  • @rickbrenner6079
    @rickbrenner6079 Рік тому +14

    Mentzer just invented a new sport: weight holding.

  • @jonathandutra4831
    @jonathandutra4831 Рік тому +2

    The idea is to shock the muscle not repeat continuous pumps of muscle strain. 10-20 seconds of a perfect extension is better than 20 pumps

  • @francescodp1506
    @francescodp1506 Рік тому +2

    If you didn’t, read his book, amazing both as a training text that as a motivational/self-development book. “High-Intensity Training the Mike Mentzer Way”.

  • @josephsmith9663
    @josephsmith9663 Рік тому +2

    I wish I had this guy ten years ago

  • @towithNic
    @towithNic Рік тому +1

    I remember awhile back I saw somebody say this about increasing bench press. They put more weight than they could 1 rep max and they lowered it slowly. Had somebody to help get it back up and then lowered it slowly again for several reps.

  • @joejoe722
    @joejoe722 Рік тому +25

    This guy at my gym told me to adopt a 4-6-6 cadence, 4 up, 6 hold, 6 down

    • @QueensNativeNYC
      @QueensNativeNYC Рік тому +6

      They used to call that slow motion training back in the day or slow mow training was the slang gym name for it...I do remember reading an article that suggested slow motion training is unhealthy, causes high blood pressure and is bad for blood vessles.. I think the belief was that when you hold the weight in a contracted position the blood gets pooled up in the area and that combined the strain is not healthy.. When you pump the weights at normal speed in a rhythmic style the blood moves freely and is much healthier.. Again I don't know if the article I read is scientifically proven or if it was just somebody's opinion but it does seem to make sense..

    • @Lonewolf__666
      @Lonewolf__666 Рік тому +11

      I think a slow negative is beneficial, but not a slow positive

    • @Jeff-bv7pw
      @Jeff-bv7pw Рік тому +2

      Depending on age I would keep the positive slow to avoid injury. I think those numbers look pretty good. If anything I would increase the eccentric time.

    • @2old4allthis
      @2old4allthis Рік тому +2

      Well, ‘this guy’ (me), a rando on the internet, says the studies show that a quick concentric and a slow eccentric are best. The relative speeds are debatable, but generally, when you use muscles concentrically, you use them in a fast motion - punching, pushing, kicking, etc. Eccentric motions are usually slower. Much has to do with the types of muscle fiber. Do concentric as fast as you want since it will only be a problem if you are lifting too light. Do 4 to 6 seconds for eccentrics depending on your patience.

    • @Lonewolf__666
      @Lonewolf__666 Рік тому +2

      @@2old4allthis I also agree with the advice. As long as you stop a second before doing the positive , so as no momentum comes into play. You won’t injury yourself. And I think a four second negative is fine. So I’d go with 2-1-4 2 seconds positive, 1 second static, or pause, and four second negative.

  • @andrewanderson5948
    @andrewanderson5948 Рік тому +1

    1:15 Information like this i didn’t even know and I’ve been “training” for years now

  • @Channel.MisterY
    @Channel.MisterY Рік тому +2

    Does anyone know when he said this?
    I'm curious what his final thoughts were - my guess is that he integrated this idea into his regime as opposed to fixating on it. His final works (book) didn't focus primarily on this, did it?
    I.e. he wasn't solely focused on statics/negatives and included (primarily?) a rep based approach and therefore did not throw out 'lifting' or the positive portion.
    Which is what this video kind of implies.
    Or did he? Thanks in advance.

  • @diemme568
    @diemme568 Рік тому +17

    Bro, do you even lower weights? 🙂

  • @Lance54689
    @Lance54689 Рік тому +2

    When I do my workouts, based on the HIT methods from Body by Science, sometimes I do a version of this at the end of the set, and it does seem very effective. I think I'm going to work this into the end of each movement I do.

  • @andresvicente1325
    @andresvicente1325 Рік тому +1

    Buenísimo, ya en su primer libro hablaba que la parte negativa era un 40% más fuerte que la positiva, la lógia de la fisiología (dejando de lado las ideas preconcebidas) te va llevando a la verdad y alejando de los mitos, el que tenga oidos para oir que oiga. Gracias, excelente su canal.

  • @IntegraDIY
    @IntegraDIY Рік тому +6

    Today it’s called TUT or Time under tension. But I still think extending and retracting the muscle has equal potential for growth.. as long as it’s heavy and lifted to failure.
    It’s like asking what’s the best gasoline brand for a car, everyone will have different opinions. Just do what works

    • @joejoe722
      @joejoe722 Рік тому +3

      It’s best to listen to advice and adopt it into your training if it makes sense to you

    • @sangre5670
      @sangre5670 Рік тому +7

      As an experiment I begun doing Timed Static Contraction (basically timed isometrics) 10 months ago. I train it with HIT principles, and doing Isometrics exclusively.
      I've got more muscle in those 10 months then I did in last 20 years doing high volume calisthenics.

    • @bebejoon3664
      @bebejoon3664 Рік тому

      Shell gas is the best

  • @diocletian607
    @diocletian607 Рік тому +8

    Lol now THIS is some intriguing outside the box thinking. its funny how alot of bodybuilding theory at present has this Galileo aspect to it, where alot of assumptions are just taken for granted as rules. Its very easy to get labeled as a sort of "heretic" which it appears Mike understood he was.

  • @FeaROn3
    @FeaROn3 Рік тому +1

    WHAT A GEM 💎 !!!

  • @sf2explus184
    @sf2explus184 Місяць тому

    On my own I train the classic way. But on days I have a gym buddy I get the chance to do the static holds at the end of my work out and tge are super effective for sure. I get les pump but I get more damage as the next day the muscle have a different type of feeling and need longer recovery

  • @terryhill4732
    @terryhill4732 Рік тому +2

    Negatives have always been a part of weight lifting for me for 50 years

  • @marso70
    @marso70 Рік тому +2

    Caution should be used with such protocols especially for advanced trainees as it can cause such deep inroads into your recovery ability very little will be left over for growth and psychology it can prove too taxing as well

    • @Richard-dg7pt
      @Richard-dg7pt 4 місяці тому

      That is why Mike only suggested doing this for just one exercise in the workout. If you do say maybe two sets of static holds on the leg extensions do not do any other static holds on any other movements for the workout. Use this on the same movement for about 3 weeks and than go back and test you strength on the full range of the movement.

  • @AyeLos711
    @AyeLos711 Рік тому +2

    Bruce Lee knew and Mike Agrees. I can't see how this could be wrong two prominent examples of intensity trainers coming to the same conclusion.

  • @ManicMoe
    @ManicMoe Рік тому +8

    I’m going to try this next session with the pulldowns. I’ll update how it went. 💪

  • @Gonzalomentzer
    @Gonzalomentzer Рік тому +16

    It's like listening to a god, to a superior being, someone totally ahead of everything
    Rip mentzer

    • @Lonewolf__666
      @Lonewolf__666 Рік тому

      The only thing Mike got wrong is we are consciousness, having a human experience. This is just a virtual reality for consciousness to grow and learn. Tom Campbell MBT Theory if anyone is interested. I do believe if Mike had studied the work of Tom Campbell , if he had been alive, he would see the truth in it. That’s why I loved Mike, we are both truth seekers.. and can both identify the truth when we hear it.

  • @inthegym4679
    @inthegym4679 Рік тому +1

    A genius, years ahead of his time

  • @mathdoer5127
    @mathdoer5127 Рік тому +3

    John, I've been thinking a lot about this video for the past week. If the goal of training is to achieve high intensity muscular contraction of as many muscle fibers as possible, which can only be maximized in the fully contracted position, it is logical to seek to achieve failure in that position. And if concentric movements place a greater energy drain on the body than do static holds, it makes sense for that reason too to not do them. So I thought that it must be superior to perform a static contraction to failure instead of repetitions through the full range of motion. My questions are: does the myotatic reflex suggest that such a "set" must start with at least one positive movement in order to achieve maximum contraction in the fully contracted position? And: if the muscle fiber types need only be sequentially fatigued one time in order to stimulate growth, as explained in Body by Science, why does Mike suggest to do 2 of these static holds?

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  Рік тому

      Mike recommended two static holds because this was recorded in 1995, when he had more or less started implementing the technique. He would later reduce that to one such contraction. Yes, it is a sequential recruitment. The myotatic reflex only comes into play when you are about to initiate the concentric component of a contraction. Since that component is removed with this particular protocol, it does not come into play.

    • @mathdoer5127
      @mathdoer5127 Рік тому +1

      @@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE Thank you for the quick response! I will start experimenting with this soon.

    • @borkosogli3237
      @borkosogli3237 Рік тому

      ​@@mathdoer5127first two sentences are my thoughts exactly for the past several months. To this day I did slow candence reps and static hold on the last one until complete failure. From the next session on I will try to only do the static hold until failure and see where it goes.

    • @mathdoer5127
      @mathdoer5127 Рік тому

      @@borkosogli3237 You should read John's book Max Contraction Training, he researched this idea with very interesting findings

  • @floatinglikeaduck9848
    @floatinglikeaduck9848 Рік тому +3

    How did I not know who mentzer was until a few weeks ago

  • @Scndzr6
    @Scndzr6 Рік тому +2

    Hey John what is ur opinion about lateral raise for side delt with dumbbells VS Cable ? What is more productive for growth

  • @sadikfillali8935
    @sadikfillali8935 3 місяці тому

    Can I train 6 months using just static and negative part of the movements without doing the positive, would this help to build muscles ? Or I should do also the positives?

  • @kirbyscovers
    @kirbyscovers Рік тому

    I started this hold and reverse yesterday for delts, (machine side laterals) and (rev peck deck) ... biceps (cable curl) and triceps (cable pushdowns + (sset) seated machine pushdowns) ... but with a twist ... I added 3 drop sets for 3 lighter weights and then back up to the original weight (where possible) to completely fail the muscle .... routine took about 45 min vs 20 min ... but man what a vibe ... arms feel different the day after than any other previous workouts I've done ... time will tell.

    • @Walidwalidox18
      @Walidwalidox18 Рік тому

      How many reps you do

    • @kirbyscovers
      @kirbyscovers Рік тому +1

      @@Walidwalidox18 - I get maybe 8-12 reps in a 10 sec hold/lower period by drop setting the weight ... i do 2 reps of hold/lower .. then drop the weight ... do that 3-4 drop sets ... maybe 2 min for the entire set ... be prepared for heavy heart pounding .. not concerned about adding more weight each workout but holding longer for now at least .. will slowly add more weight over time.

  • @andrewmorris6187
    @andrewmorris6187 Рік тому +1

    A icon of the sport.

  • @Gimmyruinslives
    @Gimmyruinslives 4 місяці тому

    Could you please tell me what song you used?

  • @tooeasylol
    @tooeasylol Рік тому +2

    Hey John, is there any way I can email you? I have a couple questions, thanks

  • @alenpotocki5192
    @alenpotocki5192 Рік тому +7

    The only problem I have with whole Mentzer philosophy and statics as only way of progression is the fact that I like to go max sets and max reps all the time till I cant repeat the exercise in given time interval. I simply love training too much. But there's a lot of benefits and truth going only one set till f,but I m like a psycho in terms of weight lifting,I love the activity as itself and the feeling afterwards.

    • @Kaniala-l7s
      @Kaniala-l7s Рік тому

      It might be a psychological thing as well. Get educated on "muscle dysmorphia" it's a serious thing!

  • @armand6077
    @armand6077 Рік тому +1

    Mike was way ahead of his time

  • @sixwingsram
    @sixwingsram Рік тому

    I've noticed that Mike uses Nautilus equipment, which has inbuilt variable resistance; the weight increases all the way thru the flexion, so there's no dead zone in the movement. Casey Viator built his impressive physique this way.
    Mike was insanely built with a perfect physique. He was one of the best ever!

  • @LolcowFarm-qr3if
    @LolcowFarm-qr3if 10 місяців тому +1

    He was a genius

  • @danski6694
    @danski6694 Рік тому +4

    You have to use strength as a gauge or metric though because it is often very difficult to “see” results. Most of us who have been training for some time have body dismorphia and are too hard on ourselves to appreciate visible gains.
    Thats actually another topic. Maybe ill start a UA-cam channel to discuss that. Lol

    • @yezzzsir
      @yezzzsir Рік тому +1

      You would be surprised how many would be interested in that.

    • @danski6694
      @danski6694 Рік тому

      @@yezzzsir lol thanks!
      But I wouldn’t even know where to start. I am 43 years old. I don’t have the nerve to start posting UA-cam videos. All these guy’s editing are incredible too.
      I have a full time career and have two young kids I take care of when I’m not working. Don’t think Id ever find the time or nerve to start making youtube videos.
      But to digress, I am sad that all those years I looked really good, I didn’t appreciate it because I was always too hard on myself.

    • @danski6694
      @danski6694 Рік тому

      @@yezzzsir for starters, when I apply my training and nutrition to getting “bigger”, i often get fatter also. That pisses me off and then i starve myself again. slowing down any strength and size gains.
      Then when I lose some fat, I’m not as strong.
      Of course all of this can be negated by doing some sauce again but there’s really no need for me to do that at this stage in my life.