I have a hard time with what to call my non denim pants too. I have the kikko sashiko bottoms and chore coat from N&F and they are releasing a lightweight jaquard sashiko fabric in the bottoms a chore coat and type 3 jacket this season, which i find odd since its only 9.5oz and they just released the 21oz red core elephant 13s... but hey. I am still planning on grabbing the bottoms and hopefully i have money for the type 3 jacket.
Maybe it's just for us Yanks, but when you say: James Dean, we think of the Rebel without a cause. However, when you call him Jimmy, we think of breakfast sausages. That book looks really cool!
Totally unrelated to this video (just found your channel) I had picked up this book. I've read through most of it and found a lot of inspo + what certain pieces are actually called. I don't love the name but the content is great. I wish it had even more pictures.
This brings up the question what makes jeans "jeans"? Chinos are made from a twill fabric but don't have indigo, are they jeans? Are these pants that you're showing jeans because they have indigo? or does the lack of a twill weave make them pants?
If you look back at old ads, the often referred to “jeans “ as “denim jeans”. Makes me think that jeans is the block, the 5 pocket design and the fabric is interchangeable. But these days it has shifted to be synonymous with denim the fabric. Let’s just say these are jeans made of shashiko. 😌
It's this one: benzakdenimdevelopers.com/collections/shirts/products/bws-03-military-overshirt-10-oz-army-green-military-twill?ktk=UEdKczZRLTc1OTUyZTRiYWU5
Have you ever tried moleskin jeans ? I alternate between denim and moleskins, also have a moleskin shirt that is a great alternative if it’s to warm for a jacket but a flannel won’t cut it .
@@CeeAreDee all depends on the fabric manufacturer, Rodd&Gunn use Italian material that is like wearing pajamas out of the box but will last for a decade of hard use . I get what you are saying as a kid l had RM Williams moleskins that were like duck canvas that were just breaking in as there lifespan were coming to an end.
Yeah. In a way I get what you’re saying but there are so many other amazing fabrics out there that are not selvedge. So getting a bit blinkered you miss out on a lot.
That t-shirt is a ridiculous price. Brave Star has 8.5 oZ shirts for $26. They fit great and last a long time. I’m sure there are any number of fantastic white t-shirts out there for a fraction of the price. Great video as always, thanks!
@@bryanguest2807 It is easy to be critical of the price of a simple garment such as a white t. There are lots of choices out there and if I don't like the price, I'll move along to another choice. To be honest, one of my best t-shirts is the Kirkland brand that I buy at Costco. Sort of a mid-weight fabric, holds up well to washing, min. shrinkage and nice finishing at collar and hem. Nothing special, but just gets it done. If it had a pocket, I would be stoked!
@@telemarktumalo6978 yep. Everything has a saturation price point where you are no longer paying for quality. For me casual boots are about $350, denim $200, and tshirts $25. Also loopwheel makes zero sense as far as quality. Cheap shirts are already made using a barrel loom so they dont have side seams and fit like crap. Side seams are what create the fit.
@@bryanguest2807 traditionally yes denim is an all cotton textile however if you're going by a mechanical definition, as long as it's a warp facing twill in which the weft passes under at least 2 warp threads, it's technically a denim weave. It depends on what standard you abide by.
@@bryanguest2807 not necessarily.. stretchy denim is not all cotton and what Johnny said is the definition of denim! (It's the way the fabric is put together and not if it's 100% cotton or not) there are a couple other types of weaves like plain and satin (denim is the third - twill) others can be 100% cotton as well
@@johnnyregs2378 from what I understand traditionally in the 1800s denim (or de Nime) were pants made in Nime France. A type of twill worsted wool uniform pants worn by Italian soldiers. The French would call them "jeans". Not sure the history of indigo dyed cotton and when that all began
Excellent book I just finished reading it and I would recommend getting the accompanying magazine from the Heritage Post
I have a hard time with what to call my non denim pants too. I have the kikko sashiko bottoms and chore coat from N&F and they are releasing a lightweight jaquard sashiko fabric in the bottoms a chore coat and type 3 jacket this season, which i find odd since its only 9.5oz and they just released the 21oz red core elephant 13s... but hey. I am still planning on grabbing the bottoms and hopefully i have money for the type 3 jacket.
Maybe it's just for us Yanks, but when you say: James Dean, we think of the Rebel without a cause. However, when you call him Jimmy, we think of breakfast sausages. That book looks really cool!
Bahahaha. The things I’m learning. Cheers mate.
Totally unrelated to this video (just found your channel) I had picked up this book. I've read through most of it and found a lot of inspo + what certain pieces are actually called. I don't love the name but the content is great. I wish it had even more pictures.
As far as I know. The pictures are incredibly expensive to license. I’d love to have seen more historical images also.
@@CeeAreDee that makes sense. There were a few times they mentioned a person wearing something in an iconic way to then not have a picture of it :(
Just ordered the book based on your review,looking forward to it
I've been looking for a new hat in my life, I think the one you have on your head could be a contender. What brand is that?
It’s from a French workwear brand called Vetra.
I wish more manufacturers made their jeans with continuous flies.
Try the Brand "Naked and famous" they have ALOT of diffent experiments with denim,
Hate to change the subject-ish, but what's the shirt your wearing in the video?
Benzak military overshirt
This one. benzakdenimdevelopers.com/collections/shirts/products/bws-03-military-overshirt-10-oz-army-green-military-twill?ktk=UEdKczZRLTc1OTUyZTRiYWU5
Cee Are Dee you need a cuban cigar a green cap
Sounds like my kinda vibe.
This brings up the question what makes jeans "jeans"? Chinos are made from a twill fabric but don't have indigo, are they jeans? Are these pants that you're showing jeans because they have indigo? or does the lack of a twill weave make them pants?
If you look back at old ads, the often referred to “jeans “ as “denim jeans”. Makes me think that jeans is the block, the 5 pocket design and the fabric is interchangeable. But these days it has shifted to be synonymous with denim the fabric. Let’s just say these are jeans made of shashiko. 😌
What are the brand details on your olive sateen army shirt? Benzak? Thanks and great fit!
It's this one: benzakdenimdevelopers.com/collections/shirts/products/bws-03-military-overshirt-10-oz-army-green-military-twill?ktk=UEdKczZRLTc1OTUyZTRiYWU5
Have you ever tried moleskin jeans ?
I alternate between denim and moleskins, also have a moleskin shirt that is a great alternative if it’s to warm for a jacket but a flannel won’t cut it .
Always found moleskin to be a bit heavy.
@@CeeAreDee all depends on the fabric manufacturer, Rodd&Gunn use Italian material that is like wearing pajamas out of the box but will last for a decade of hard use . I get what you are saying as a kid l had RM Williams moleskins that were like duck canvas that were just breaking in as there lifespan were coming to an end.
Ur mic is fixed!!
Seems so. I still have trust issues tho
What’s better than fabric being made on a small loom… not a lot lol
Yeah. In a way I get what you’re saying but there are so many other amazing fabrics out there that are not selvedge. So getting a bit blinkered you miss out on a lot.
@@CeeAreDee all I did was reword your title. LOL. So technically I was just saying what you already said. 😂😂
That t-shirt is a ridiculous price. Brave Star has 8.5 oZ shirts for $26. They fit great and last a long time. I’m sure there are any number of fantastic white t-shirts out there for a fraction of the price. Great video as always, thanks!
Not everyone has to spend on a budget number 1. Number 2 people like to pay for quality.
@@bigvanvader3122 well, by all means go ahead and spend that ridiculous amount of money on a thin t-shirt. No one is stopping you. 😂
Oxymoronic statement.
Defend the quality of the garment and not your income or spending
@@bryanguest2807 It is easy to be critical of the price of a simple garment such as a white t. There are lots of choices out there and if I don't like the price, I'll move along to another choice. To be honest, one of my best t-shirts is the Kirkland brand that I buy at Costco. Sort of a mid-weight fabric, holds up well to washing, min. shrinkage and nice finishing at collar and hem. Nothing special, but just gets it done. If it had a pocket, I would be stoked!
@@telemarktumalo6978 yep. Everything has a saturation price point where you are no longer paying for quality.
For me casual boots are about $350,
denim $200, and tshirts $25.
Also loopwheel makes zero sense as far as quality. Cheap shirts are already made using a barrel loom so they dont have side seams and fit like crap. Side seams are what create the fit.
Ok, those pants look very well made, are probably very comfortable, but if they're not made of denim, they're not jeans. PERIOD.
Does "denim" have to be 100% cotton?
@@bryanguest2807 traditionally yes denim is an all cotton textile however if you're going by a mechanical definition, as long as it's a warp facing twill in which the weft passes under at least 2 warp threads, it's technically a denim weave. It depends on what standard you abide by.
@@bryanguest2807 not necessarily.. stretchy denim is not all cotton and what Johnny said is the definition of denim! (It's the way the fabric is put together and not if it's 100% cotton or not) there are a couple other types of weaves like plain and satin (denim is the third - twill) others can be 100% cotton as well
All you guys said it way better thank I could.
@@johnnyregs2378 from what I understand traditionally in the 1800s denim (or de Nime) were pants made in Nime France. A type of twill worsted wool uniform pants worn by Italian soldiers. The French would call them "jeans". Not sure the history of indigo dyed cotton and when that all began
Ummmmm I don’t think so not by any measure of sense.
Hmmm. More interesting weave. Thought as nails and will make for fascinating fades. I dunno. It’s a contender.
@@CeeAreDee interesting weave yes style yes but these just aren’t jeans I would consider them to be pants but not jeans
More like cloth like light pants I’d say 🤣 Imjs brother jeans are jeans