The SC - Power of the Pecron and PSM's!
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2023
- The Sound Couple is up to more gig testing...this includes placing the Pecron on PA duty! We also debut our PSM 300 for monitoring and discover some differences between our PSM system and the "bands".
We also try out our new "wi-fi" bridged router to make managing Worx system management software easier.
Last, we also break out our Galaxy Audio Cricket to use for our line checks!
This gig was a long day but short night of entertaining a small crowd of just the Sound Couple at times...it happened!
Related Links:
Shure Frequency Finder:
www.shure.com/en-US/support/t...
Shure rack panel:
www.amazon.com/Shure-UA440-Bu...
Pecron E3000:
www.pecron.com/products/pecro...
Galaxy Audio Cricket:
galaxyaudio.com/products/cpts/
The Sound Couple primarily use PreSonus gear featuring:
PreSonus UC Surface
PreSonus CDL12
PreSonus CDL18s
PreSonus 32R
PreSonus SW5E
PreSonus NSB Stageboxes
PreSonus AVB-D16
your own in ears is such an awesome upgrade. not only does it make you better and more efficiant to isolate any problems during the show and allow for silent sound checks but it also just makes it way more fun when you are out in the room no a tablet. you wont know how you ever did it without it soon congrats on the upgrades! mix sounded good at the end in what would be a challenging room with lots of hard surfaces.
It's been working out great! More to come!
It is always good to see another video from The Sound Couple appear on UA-cam. This is a Gig Log at a familiar church auction event featuring an equally familiar band. The video focuses on several new strategies:
• Use of PSM300 in-ear system for mixing front of house along with other possible uses
• Use of Pecron E3000 unit to supply power to some equipment in order to ease set-up
• Use of the Galaxy Audio Cricket for line checks and, when needed, polarity confirmation
• Use of new Chauvet lights on the backline
• Use of dual Panel Lights as front lighting.
• Use of wireless router at the speakers to distribute signal from the main rack and make use of the Worx Speaker Management Software
• Relocation of the wireless mics and in-ear for the horns to minimize rf issues
As always, I enjoy watching the load-in, set-up, and load-out. Lots to learn from observing Bart and Stacy at work. And, it was interesting to see the new rear bumper on the van up close. The line check and channel settings went very well because of the use of the new in-ear monitoring equipment. Application of the various pieces of new equipment and new strategies resulted in a much better organized performance area.
Thanks to Bart and Stacy for another very instructive video.
Ahhh Dean...yes, we forgot to mention the rear bumper (but you didn't)! We kind of snuck that in but the best part about it is the our super bright back-up lights! Thanks for comments on the load-in/loud outs...Personally, we find them interesting because it allows you to see how you work and improve efficiencies, but for some, it's not...It's similar to watching a baseball game. Hopefully we are finding that balance.
The PSM300’s are by far the best bang for buck! Love them!
When dealing with more than 3 or 4 of the Shure PSM 300’s it’s really ideal to be using a PSM combiner. This will help greatly with performance. If that’s not an option, then at least get the 1/2 wave antennas. The little 1/4 wave are not great at all and just the small upgrade to 1/2 wave will be a night and day difference.
Thank you for your insights. We knew about the combiner option but wasn't sure if a 1/2 wave was a choice. It would be nice if they were more clear on all options, but we have yet to see that for these units.
If only all load-ins were that nice. I had both extremes this weekend... One gig was in a small community hall that was down a cobbled alleyway, into a venue that meant hand-carrying all the gear up the stairs, and back out at the end of the night... To add further insult to injury, I got a parking ticket for being parked in a loading bay, even though I was loading...go figure.
Last night's gig was awesome, there were fire exit doors right next to the stage, and I was able to back my van right up to them. The gear needed to be moved less than 10feet between the venue and the van.
Wireless in-ears are something I'm looking to add to my rig in the near future, though a wireless microphone upgrade is going to be first. There's nothing inherently wrong with the microphones I have, but they're getting old and I think the time has come where I really should get something to replace them.
Thanks for sharing John!
Hey Guys!! I'd love for you to do a video of general eq ideas for instruments and vocals. I'd love to hear Barts thoughts process many eqing channels and foh mains for rooms/venues. I know it would be generalised but it would help the likes of me so much! And also, many Bart talking about what he looks for in speakers, for example woofer size, horn dispersen and compression driver size. I love your channel guys, and can't wait for the next video! Hope all is well!
Wow...thanks. Between mansplaining and opinions, I have a hard time listening to myself sometimes...so thank you for asking us to dig a bit deeper on a topic. We will add it to the list! We have another video in the works that should be out soon!
The Pecron will eliminate 400 foot rolls of extension cord (previous video), and the PSMs look like a work in progress. So glad you two are looking at upgrading equipment a few times a year. Thanks again!
Both are getting used plenty! Thanks for watching and your comment!
Great episode!
Thanks!
I'll have to look it that power supply. I hope to get more reviews from you two on it
We now use it in most of our outdoor gigs, and when known (like this event) will bring it with for indoor use.
It has become part of our standard pack featured in many upcoming videos!
I really enjoyed the video; I would be concerned about feedback and echoing/reverberation with all those wall surfaces. Great job as always.
This room could be a challenge...thankfully with reasonable stage volume, and our gear, and understanding frequencies, we typically don't have any of these issue.
I bought a shure psm 900 system back in 2018. still solid
Yeah...I kind of wish we would have stepped it up. We are exceeding what we thought our use would be of wireless in-ears and it's working ok with some additional investment...but for things we really rely on, we typically like to go mid to high range and the 900's are a definite step up.
nothing wrong with those 300's. lotsa guys using them . shure overall makes great stuff imo@@thesoundcouple
People think I'm silly because I use 3 pecron to power my DJ System. I use 1 Pecron 1500WH and 2 600WH. 😊
Wow! You are committed! We love our Pecron and completely trust it....quality product!
I've moved my 32R and all the gear with it, out of a 6U SKB shallow rack, and into a 12U standard rack. Oddly, it isn't much heavier, but serup/teardown is so much faster!
Rack work never ends!
Awesome as always…is your router rack mounted?? If so, which model is it?
Yes, we have a Nowsonic Stage Router Pro. They are unfortunately no longer available new.
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Wow, the CDLs are really efficient.
I can say we have never blown power and we have worked them really hard at some gigs...this gig, they were definitely not.
Hi sound couple,
I wanted to ask what your personal thoughts were when it came to the speakers that y'all are using, the CDL12's. I am interested in the speaker but haven't been able to find them around my area. Therefore, I was wondering if you could perhaps possibly compare them to something more commercially available speaker like the JBL, QSC speakers. Does the CDL's sounds louder, clearer, do they hold up better, and overall pushed you to choose the CDL's over the others, and would you change them? I know the response can be very subjective but it would be great to hear about how you came to pick your speakers.
Thank you.
Thanks for your question - and you will receive a subjective answer! We didn't test out a bunch of cabinets to select, but I have mixed on several brands over the years. When we have looked at new gear, we think of our needs and then ask ourselves first, if the company that we are currently using working for us and do they offer what we think we need. If the answer is "yes", then we ask if there is a reason then why they shouldn't be our first choice. PreSonus has always checked our boxes, so that is a big reason why we stick with them. The CDL's are very natural and articulate speaker. I find that other manufactures cabinets color the sound more....from the JBL "honk" to the QSC "mid box" to the EV "sizzle", the CDL's just produce a nature warm clean flat sound. They allow us to do our job well. Just know that these aren't huge boxes and two of them not bust the walls down...but our videos should give you an idea what they are capable of. The only thing I would change is that they seem to clip sooner than I would expect, but this has yet to cause any issues. We haven't had one problem with them...including the one that I just knocked over onto the concrete sidewalk last week....ahhhhhhh!
Hi team ..reaching out from the Caribbean...you continue to provide such a wide scope of sound engineering and digital sound system setup that even the experience can learn from your walkthroughs...I just have a simple question..what are the steps you follow in setting you system for a band...for example...do you set mains first..then monitors..them mics..can you walkthrough your steps that will consume the least of time and most efficient before song check? Thanks and Regards
Try to limit the number of times you are picking up and moving a piece of gear...try to get them to their location (this is why small "easy" rooms can be more of a pain because you have to move things multiple times before it can get to its spot). We usually start with setting up mains/mixer, then monitors/lights/power, and then run lines/stage. Stacy and I divide duties (she sets up most lighting and I set up most PA). Depending on where we end up, then we will meet at the lines/stage and work together.
Also we’ve learned that gigs involving a generator, get the power checked out first so you’re not stuck looking for someone later!
@@thesoundcouple here's another tip with gennies.... Make damn sure that the main breakers are flipped off before powering down the genny. I was doing a corporate party a couple weeks ago, and on the setup day, we went for dinner off site, as we were basically done, just a few loose ends to tie up, and when we came back we found that somebody, presumably the maintenance guy from the company we were at had shut off the genny without flipping the main breaker, and when we powered back up (after flipping the breaker off) we found that it had taken out the power supplies on 2 of the D&B D20 amps 🤦🏼♂ Thankfully we had a spare amp and were able to get the system back up and running (less 1 J infra)
@@dustinthiessen We have had generators the past two weekends....There is a definite elevated risk with them that I think we take too much of the risk and burden. This past weekend, we were struggling with the GFI tripping on them. About 50% of the time, they will pose some sort of challenge....your experience is the worst of them all!
@@thesoundcouple If you get the right genny, and it's used properly there should be no issues. The only ones I'll allow are the big diesel pull behind units.They're the real deal, and can often be better than mains power even, as long as somebody doesn't forget to flip off the 600A main... lol
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Great stuff, Question. What poles are you using for the CDL's? from the subs
Those are:
Gator Frameworks GFW-ID-SPKR-SP ID Series Lift-assisted Speaker Pole
@@thesoundcouple Thank you
Second question, do you guys run the subs in an Aux or direct? Thank you for the previous reply.
We go direct.@@Meanguitarlicks
I would get the PA411 combiner, and at least a 1/2 wave antenna. I use the 411 with a 860 antenna for my PSM900. works great. With the 411 you are stuck with 4 PSM channels though. If they need to expand they could go with the 821 (allthough expensive).
The Sound Couple purchased the PA411 combiner for our system (future videos). The band is making do with what they have.
I was about to suggest getting an active combiner myself. Glad to see you picked one. Another tip is to talk to the guys up at Nlfx Pro up in Bemidji. There one of the best one it comes to wireless issues with mics and IEMs
i suggest you run shure wireless work bench or Sennheiser WSN. these allow you to do an actual scan and see what is happening in the spectrum and avoid the congested areas. both a free you just need to connect a wireless mic reciever to your laptop via ethernet and run the scan then you can choose you frequencies more deliberatly than the reciever does on its own
We began using WWB depending how complex the gig is. We will scan with just the packs if we just need to manage the RF we provide....At least that is how it's going at the moment.
Would you use the Pecron only for the system in this video? No backline or lights.
Dare say, we probably could have. Would not be concerned about using the Pecron to power a smaller or low volume event.
I work a venue that is a marina. When all the docked boats are running their AC units the power is not good. Thinking the Pecron may be a good solution.@@thesoundcouple
You should be able to some math to see if you are in the ball park. In our case, we were more focused on supplementing or for remote areas to operate a small system for a fixed period of time (plus for our own personal use), so we were confident that this would get the job done. Having no experience with these prior, I hope that we are able to demonstrate what is possible with them.@@dangrefrath9852
RF Venue antenna combiners
The Sound Couple purchased the Shure combiner....The band is making do with what they have.
Hire Stacey back. Separate and upgrade antennas. Keep on doing SC gigs, thanks.
She's back...LOL!! Thanks for the tip and we got more coming!
I think u must have action cam on your head or your body.. view from your eyes side.. its just a suggestion.. i know its will increase your editing process..
We have tried that on a couple of videos and we thought it worked out ok...We have an older GoPro so some viewers didn't like the motion. We bought a brand new GoPro 11 a couple months ago biut returned it because it would overheat and shutdown....The new GoPro 12 is better but has the same problem and there are other action cameras that will overheat as well So, we are stepping back and thinking about this a bit. Check these out and let us know what you think! ua-cam.com/video/xtgkc0N3bXk/v-deo.html. ua-cam.com/video/0nW7K5_M2FE/v-deo.html
Whoa…. Am I interrupting you. Bart, she’s checking in on the dogs … you sure get short with your wife too easily. Just saying.
Mixing gigs, videos and life can sometimes get tricky. You weren't able to see, but we were doing a segment, which is a planned event, and her face was instead in the phone...so perhaps I got a bit abrupt, but we all need to keep a check on balancing how much these devices control our lives and our knee jerk reaction to immediately respond to them. Comment noted, but we are keeping things real which I understand the risk!
Just teasing you. Love you guys and your videos !!
Appreciate it! Stacy is a tough cookie...don't let that smile fool you 🙂@@terrymckone9616
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