That incident is one of the reasons for getting rid of the iron stanchions that held the nets up. This and Clive Allen's free kick for Palace that went in the goal but slammed the stanchion and came back out. It happened so quickly the referee and linesmen thought it had hit the post.
This disallowed good goal (no infractions), is the reason why they have changed the building of the goal nets in all of the stadiums, making them look cookie-cutterish and boxy, detracts from the stadium's character. Back in the day, I could always identify the stadiums in Britain, sometimes by the shape of their goal netting and stanchions. The Chelsea netting and stanchion were interesting, this didn't help the referee decipher the errant goal by Alan Hudson v Ipswich in 1970. This was a strange goal -- but, oh so pretty, the greatest non-goal ever, along with the new codes regarding building goal nets in new stadiums, we will never witness a situation as such.
I played through the academies at Leicester and England youth and I much preferred scoring in the box goals than the nets when they draped down. Made the ball ricochet out and was way better lol
@@kingkong-mf6hi: Goal construction controversy consternated Crystal Palace twice, once with the *new goal net system* during the more modern years (2009). ua-cam.com/video/nt7UXPy0vTo/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/4HCiBrKjNKE/v-deo.html
I loved Chelsea’s deep nets. Wembley had its unique goals. West ham with the really shallow ones. We really lost a lot when they made all the nets the same. I hate it.
Some years ago there was a referee who allowed a "goal" scored by ball-boy in a Brazilian league match. It was the most bizarre football incident I'd had ever seen and also the worst refereeing mistake. But this comes a close second. (The ball-boy goal made it onto the news here in the UK, so you may be able to find it on UA-cam.)
That exact same thing happened to my team but we played the 1st place team who hadnt lost the entire season and that would have gave us the win but instead we tied 1-1 -____- damn refs are to old nowadays
haha! the same thing happened to me in a football tournament. our opponents shot the ball on our goal, but it hit aluminium and jumped near the line. they thought it was a goal and started celebrating, I catched the ball with the hand and ported it to the middle, but only after that the referee decided it wasn't a goal and our keeper got shoot off :D
@tavi10 I am talking about 2:39, the player attacking is well beyond a line formed by the last defender....still don´t get it...thanks for replying tho.
I was at my peak interest with Scottish fitba around this time, having a season ticket for my local team in the third tier. I remember this era for its refereeing shambles, this coming around about the same time as the ref with the “Jimmy Sandison” debacle.
A filmed it way a tattie back when i was young kid my first trip tae Firhill. My second trip was about 3 year later when Paul Gascoigne scored twice Gers beat the Jags 2 1⚽️👍🏼🤪
What is it about firhill for bad decisions, this happend again recently at the same goal the ball hits the net and gets kicked out and everybody seen the goal just like this one except the refs, never realised this had happened to United as seen here.
Agreed with dan, the phantom goal at the Reading Watford game was worse. Bad as this was. To compound that mistake Stuart Atwell went on to make loads more dreadful decsions.
What a shocking decision, if i remember rightly wasn't that ref also a uefa/fifa official? Good to see future Everton legend Big Dunc get a typical goal.
@rubenick no, he started his run from his own half of the field. You can only be offside if the pass to you is made to you when you are on your opponent's half of the field and you are in front of the last defender.
@tenaciousdfrever if you wanna get technical it was originally called soccer, it took fifteen years after the term soccer was created from the word "association" for people to start calling it football. orginally soccer
@grenda5 "A player is not in an offside position he is in his own half of the field of play" (source: FIFA rules). When the ball was passed, Paddy Connelly was in his own half. No offside.
lol yeah, Exactly... its so unbelievable actually... i cant even think there is still people that doesnt think Barcelona gets help every time from the referees
History lesson: Association Football(1863), Rugby Football(1870), American Football(1892). UK started calling "association football," "soccer" and brought the game to the US as such. "Rugby football" was named after Rugby school, and “rugby football” got shortened to "rugby". What would become “American Football” started in the UK and was based off modified rugby rules. At the time it officially became a sport, the US already had "soccer"(association football) and "Rugby" (rugby football).
@LonexX18 if offsides if the ball gets to you when you are behind the line of defense. He did not go to the ball, the ball went to him so offsides. it's like waiting in front of the goalie.
@thebloodyalbo91 point still being, Brit's invented the term "soccer" and started using it first to refer to "association football". It was the english propagation of the term that led to football being called soccer in the US
I love the fact that in 2010 an offside decision in a Scottish league match between Dundee United and the Jags in the early 1990's is still being debated!! Three million views, this video must be perhaps Partick's most famous moment! They can put a print out of the link in their empty trophy cabinet at Firhill along with some manuscripts of debates between Americans and Europeans about the which sport it best!
@gannman51 More masculine sport does not mean it is a more tiring/enduring sport. You can rest whenever in football after plays, while football is only during halves, injuries, and substitution. I'm pretty sure a defender running for 90mins is much more tiring than a cornerback backpedalling 50 plays or so in a game with breaks between possessions; given both players run both vertically and laterally.
@huguito723 oh that's the case? so clearly that was bad defense as regardless of the pass, it would've been a 3 on 1 counterattack. thanks for letting me know, i never knew or have seen this before.
Add Instant Replay for scoring plays and problem solved. The England - Germany World Cup match may have turned out differently with Instant Replay and it's also a check and balance against corrupt referees.
@SweSmiile These guys are right. He was on his own half of the field at the instant of the pass, so was not in an offside position. Where the opponents were doesn't matter in this case.
@unbekannte5 if thats the case then why in the 2010 world cup were certain decisions not changed when on the big screens everybody sees its wrong; surley under your resoning ther ref could have reversed his decision. as bbc commentator said 'he knows he's got the decision wrong but he can't change it'
wow, 1.55, I thought neil lennon was the only manager, ever, in the entire history of scottish football to react angrily to a referee's ridiculous decision. Did the government of the day hold a summit? ....
All that happened is that he saw it differently and yes he got it wrong on the replay but refs don't have replays to check when reffing!! The referee is always right, even when he's wrong, he is right!!
That incident is one of the reasons for getting rid of the iron stanchions that held the nets up. This and Clive Allen's free kick for Palace that went in the goal but slammed the stanchion and came back out. It happened so quickly the referee and linesmen thought it had hit the post.
* stantion
This was way worse than the Clive Allen goal though, eh. Absolute shocker here.
@@cicstommy Dude, it's STANCHION.
@@PureExile Dictionary's aren't always accurate, y'know.
1992/93 season. Unbelievably, the referee (Les Mottram) continued on the FIFA list and worked some games at the 1994 World Cup in the US.
Whatever
This disallowed good goal (no infractions), is the reason why they have changed the building of the goal nets in all of the stadiums, making them look cookie-cutterish and boxy, detracts from the stadium's character. Back in the day, I could always identify the stadiums in Britain, sometimes by the shape of their goal netting and stanchions.
The Chelsea netting and stanchion were interesting, this didn't help the referee decipher the errant goal by Alan Hudson v Ipswich in 1970. This was a strange goal -- but, oh so pretty, the greatest non-goal ever, along with the new codes regarding building goal nets in new stadiums, we will never witness a situation as such.
I played through the academies at Leicester and England youth and I much preferred scoring in the box goals than the nets when they draped down. Made the ball ricochet out and was way better lol
@@kingkong-mf6hi: Goal construction controversy consternated Crystal Palace twice, once with the *new goal net system* during the more modern years (2009).
ua-cam.com/video/nt7UXPy0vTo/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/4HCiBrKjNKE/v-deo.html
I loved Chelsea’s deep nets. Wembley had its unique goals. West ham with the really shallow ones. We really lost a lot when they made all the nets the same. I hate it.
The goal at 2:35 wasnt offside, you cant be offside in your own half
Some years ago there was a referee who allowed a "goal" scored by ball-boy in a Brazilian league match. It was the most bizarre football incident I'd had ever seen and also the worst refereeing mistake. But this comes a close second. (The ball-boy goal made it onto the news here in the UK, so you may be able to find it on UA-cam.)
That exact same thing happened to my team but we played the 1st place team who hadnt lost the entire season and that would have gave us the win but instead we tied 1-1 -____- damn refs are to old nowadays
"No DOTS above this decision." Actually decision has 2 dots above it!
haha! the same thing happened to me in a football tournament. our opponents shot the ball on our goal, but it hit aluminium and jumped near the line. they thought it was a goal and started celebrating, I catched the ball with the hand and ported it to the middle, but only after that the referee decided it wasn't a goal and our keeper got shoot off :D
So cool
Cheater I hope lose next match
@@Jacob_Vincent13 For a thing that happened over 15 years ago?
@tavi10 I am talking about 2:39, the player attacking is well beyond a line formed by the last defender....still don´t get it...thanks for replying tho.
Is the reporter Jim White haha?
Yes
@@ethanhenson3906 been waiting 7 years for a response and finally got one cheers lad
@@shizzlers0135 don’t thank me, thank the algorithm 😅
@@ethanhenson3906 😂
I wondered the same and found your comment. You waited seven years for an answer so somebody like me could wait just a few seconds. You're a God.
@10Ranga Not offside, the player was on his half of the field when the ball was kicked. That's not an offside call.
@Kinoshee The offside rule does not apply if the receiving player is in his own half when the pass is made.
That was ridiculous .
What about the coat sturrock was wearing 🤣🤣😂
@latindancerr I lolled aloud myself - the way he moved in, looked, his cape and hat is absolutely like those old B/W documentaries. X-P
Is that Jim Shite commentating?
when did the defender catch the ball?
wasn't offside law active back them? I couldn't help noticing a couple of them...
that is unbelievable. Definitely the worst referee decision I've ever seen!
@ByVolcom
It's not offside, the move started whilst he was was inside his own half
Dont they have offside rules back then?
To Chungdha: Yes: Cannot be offside in one's own half.
@justboored Because he started on his own side of the field. Not a big soccerfan are we?
excellently named video - that is beyond doubt the two worse decisions ever.
What about the goal in Germany, Schalke I think awarded a goal after the shot missed but ball went through net into goal
I was at my peak interest with Scottish fitba around this time, having a season ticket for my local team in the third tier. I remember this era for its refereeing shambles, this coming around about the same time as the ref with the “Jimmy Sandison” debacle.
@The2StoogesAndDavid if he was bribed then why did he call a pk earlier?
what was this filmed with ?
A camera.
A filmed it way a tattie back when i was young kid my first trip tae Firhill. My second trip was about 3 year later when Paul Gascoigne scored twice Gers beat the Jags 2 1⚽️👍🏼🤪
@JamieGonz
no offside, the player was still on its own half when the pass was played.
What is it about firhill for bad decisions, this happend again recently at the same goal the ball hits the net and gets kicked out and everybody seen the goal just like this one except the refs, never realised this had happened to United as seen here.
It's one of those crafty dives that will always fool the ref. That said, we're talling about Les Mottram here....
@sweet1j oh, so how long have u been in the premier league?
A 4 million viewed video spoiled by a space before the exclamation mark on the video title.
@Ravemaster8. He is coming from his own half. How is the knowledge?
Agreed with dan, the phantom goal at the Reading Watford game was worse. Bad as this was. To compound that mistake Stuart Atwell went on to make loads more dreadful decsions.
What a shocking decision, if i remember rightly wasn't that ref also a uefa/fifa official? Good to see future Everton legend Big Dunc get a typical goal.
What happened to this referee? Did he ever say anything about it?
@TheCruzerflash If you're referring to the goal from 2:35, you can't be offside in your own half of the field.
Is that Jime White off Sky Sports doing th voice over?
"Duncan Faggyson"? "Scott Crap"? U got to be kidding me :D
When was this match?
press 8 sounds like peter griffin saying pork lmao
What happened to the referee afterwards?
@TheCruzerflash
There's no offsides on your half.
On the last goal the player started running from his team's half of the field when it was kicked.
@rubenick no, he started his run from his own half of the field. You can only be offside if the pass to you is made to you when you are on your opponent's half of the field and you are in front of the last defender.
@tenaciousdfrever if you wanna get technical it was originally called soccer, it took fifteen years after the term soccer was created from the word "association" for people to start calling it football. orginally soccer
PENALTY TO RANGERS
Football is football....a universal game.
@grenda5 "A player is not in an offside position he is in his own half of the field of play" (source: FIFA rules). When the ball was passed, Paddy Connelly was in his own half. No offside.
@edaines He was presumably on his own half when the pass was made, and inside your own half, the off side rule does not count.
I had to watch it three times before i saw it hit the net, i kept thinking it was hitting the post, thanks god for hd.
This puts Willie Collum on the same level as Pierluigi Collina.
I swear, I can't think of another sport where the referee is so often wrong, like in football.
lol yeah, Exactly... its so unbelievable actually... i cant even think there is still people that doesnt think Barcelona gets help every time from the referees
@TheDingaa Cus the whole defence of the opposite side in the standing on the other side of CEnter Line... No offside...
Can somebody pliiz tell me this guy is talking about? where is the worst decison? i can`t see any bad referee decision:S.
wasnt the second last one offside???
I saw it on 2021, time when VAR has been practice on many league. We will miss the decision like this.
Les Mottram the diddy🤣🤣🤣
@MegaDurt
dude, when the player is in defensive side, there is NO OFFSIDE.
what was the linesman doing as well then ? ..
so it hit off the metal posts on the inside of net?
Did he at least apologize, if not punished?
@joeholland9 Youre right.. that was a defensive fault.. a realy big one.. i mean where is te last man holding the line on midfield ?
Nice goal for big Dunc at the end there not one the goalie will forget in a while.
I just couldn't stop... laughing... at the canadian accent!
@MrRon752 "soccer" was called football before american "football" was created, I live in the U.S. and I'm not European at most I'm part Spanish
no, it is only when at the attacking part of the field, the player was before the mid line, in his team field.
The disallowed goal or the penalty right at the start? Both are terrible decisions.
History lesson: Association Football(1863), Rugby Football(1870), American Football(1892). UK started calling "association football," "soccer" and brought the game to the US as such. "Rugby football" was named after Rugby school, and “rugby football” got shortened to "rugby". What would become “American Football” started in the UK and was based off modified rugby rules. At the time it officially became a sport, the US already had "soccer"(association football) and "Rugby" (rugby football).
right at the start of the vid , did he say duncan faggosson ^^
I actually thought he hit the post at first.
Aye, but how often do you actually use your foot to kick the ball in your game? Plus, you guys wear so much padding, afraid to take a "real hit"?
i don't get get this video? it was just a goal?
@LonexX18 if offsides if the ball gets to you when you are behind the line of defense. He did not go to the ball, the ball went to him so offsides. it's like waiting in front of the goalie.
the defender even picks up after it goes in!!!! XD
Wasn't the penalty at the start from a dive with no contact? Two horrendous decisions.
I thought this video was referring to the penalty award, cos that alone was atrocious!
@Lizardofoz66
how about the ''hand of god'' goal by maradona?
@thebloodyalbo91 point still being, Brit's invented the term "soccer" and started using it first to refer to "association football". It was the english propagation of the term that led to football being called soccer in the US
Was there no offside at this age? 2:36
I love the fact that in 2010 an offside decision in a Scottish league match between Dundee United and the Jags in the early 1990's is still being debated!! Three million views, this video must be perhaps Partick's most famous moment! They can put a print out of the link in their empty trophy cabinet at Firhill along with some manuscripts of debates between Americans and Europeans about the which sport it best!
@gannman51 More masculine sport does not mean it is a more tiring/enduring sport. You can rest whenever in football after plays, while football is only during halves, injuries, and substitution. I'm pretty sure a defender running for 90mins is much more tiring than a cornerback backpedalling 50 plays or so in a game with breaks between possessions; given both players run both vertically and laterally.
Soccer was invented by a caveman when he kicked a rock off another caveman's head and it landed in their fishing net.
The phantom goal for Reading against Watford was worse. The very worst.
at first, I saw his first decision to give a free kick and I was like "meh, I've seen worse" but then I saw the goal dismissal. FAIL.
received four "most excellent referee" awards in the 1998 to 2002 seasons
Can only assume the ref thought the ball hit the post. I think after the world cup in the usa in 94 most clubs removed the stanchions from the goals.
@shiron236 no, we call a toilet a toilet, 'loo' is an old slang.
@huguito723 oh that's the case? so clearly that was bad defense as regardless of the pass, it would've been a 3 on 1 counterattack. thanks for letting me know, i never knew or have seen this before.
Add Instant Replay for scoring plays and problem solved. The England - Germany World Cup match may have turned out differently with Instant Replay and it's also a check and balance against corrupt referees.
@SweSmiile These guys are right. He was on his own half of the field at the instant of the pass, so was not in an offside position. Where the opponents were doesn't matter in this case.
2:38 where are the defenders?
20 years ago today.
21 years ago today
at 2:38 ,than there was no offside?
@unbekannte5 if thats the case then why in the 2010 world cup were certain decisions not changed when on the big screens everybody sees its wrong; surley under your resoning ther ref could have reversed his decision. as bbc commentator said 'he knows he's got the decision wrong but he can't change it'
@adamjyn you use racquets, not bats...
third goal was offside, wasnt it?
poor goalkeeper looks like he's playing alone!!!
Big Dunc up front and a young Jim White on comms if I’m not mistaken.
wow, 1.55, I thought neil lennon was the only manager, ever, in the entire history of scottish football to react angrily to a referee's ridiculous decision. Did the government of the day hold a summit? ....
All that happened is that he saw it differently and yes he got it wrong on the replay but refs don't have replays to check when reffing!! The referee is always right, even when he's wrong, he is right!!