Firey Radio Debate: Vegan Activist VS Nick Ferrari
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- Опубліковано 8 лют 2025
- Radio debate on DXE heats up fast.
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Joey, I heard this on LBC and was so mad at Ferrari’s arrogant intimidation that I dropped him an email as follows. Needless to say, he hasn’t responded. “Nick, I have to say that I was absolutely disgusted with your attitude this morning during your conversation with Joey Carbstrong concerning animal abuse. At 66 yrs of age I am not a youngster or one that would storm into a restaurant but I will never eat meat again having witnessed the horrifying scenes of slaughter. For you to say “it’s just a pig” when they have the intelligence comparable to a 3 yr old child was reprehensible. They feel the same pain that you and I do. As much as I agree with you on most topics, I am afraid that on this you are quite ignorant and extremely insensitive to the horror these animals go through. Not one animal wants to die and the fear in their eyes is heart breaking as are their screams - go visit a slaughterhouse and listen. And what I found unforgivable is that you could actually sit there and laugh at it. You should be ashamed of yourself. May I suggest you do some proper research and go watch them being killed and then we’ll see if you find it funny. It seems that although you tried to make fun of him in a very childish way, Joey Carbstrong is the better man.”
Thanks for that.
Great letter @mischka54. Really great!
Beautiful! Well said.
mischka54 totally agree with you. This video has shown the world that Joey is a better person!!!
What a writter! Love it!
2:06 caveman tho
2:14 not illegal tho
2:47 dreary tho
3:02 not as bad as slavery tho
5:27 not fair tho
5:39 taste tho
6:03 bred tho
7:22 sheep get trapped in a bramble bush tho
Ha ha! Yes, I bet all sheep get caught in bramble bushes every day. sarc! The guy is an unhealthy looking utter fool. Talking about such nonsense proved it.
Sheep wouldn't have so much wool in the first place if it wasn't for humans unnaturally breeding them that way. Also fkystrike wouldn't be an issue either. For him to make out he's doing sheep a favour is ridiculous. Also sheep are beaten punched thrown around and brutally cut when sheared. I wish Joey brought up these points.
Every classic pathetic excuse
He’s a porky pie porkster, this chap
Sbeast You missed the part where he talked about poop sticking to sheep's tails and wool and attracting flies so flies could literally lay eggs on the poop infested tails or wool of a sheep.
Even as a vegan, I would say the sheep should be sheared. A lot of sheep are unfortunately producing way too much wool that most of it won't shed because humans have already bred those sheep to produce as much as wool as possible. What's to become of the sheep at that point? Just let them continue to grow uncomfortable amounts of wool and risk getting invaded by flies as fly larvae eat their assholes while they are alive? That sounds incredibly cruel. As a vegan you should be against that. I am.
Sheering sheep is necessary unfortunately. A lot of sheep produce too much wool to shed most of it. Can't believe vegans would turn a blind eye to sheep being uncomfortable and in pain.
I grew up listening to this guy. Never realised how much he used the mute function. Dissapointing..
@@taintmueslix What a loving vegan. It must be the lack of k2, iron and b12 speaking.
He was threatened / rattled. He didn't need to mock your accent either ('data')
@@taintmueslix Just the words I suffer made me want to eat you bitch
Clearly he has no reflection of himself and is arrogant, people are made to believe they can take pleasure in their arrogance and just enjoy. Noone wants to give up that careless freedom, especially when old. ...
@@chillaxer8273 I'm relieved you're not vegan or else I'd probably be dead twice right?
Older people are waking up too, I am 55.
I'm 70 and i woke up 33 years ago.
Yep. I went vegan at age 55 and that was almost 2 years ago.
me too
Good to hear of examples of older people going vegan. I'm sick of talking to 50+ year olds who are completely stuck in their ways and have apparently lost the ability to change their actions based on evidence
Ya I here ya, I am working on my wife to go plant based. She has given up Pig and Beef...
"It's a pig, it's a pig"
This guy lost any credibility as a compassionate, open minded person at this point...ugh
Great job, Joey! And thank you for all you do.
A pig is very smart. This man is arrogant.
Your average pig (although in appearance some what resembles this guy) is also a darn sight healther than this fool.
Nate Gregory so not holding a pig at the same moral value as a human or pet means you’re not open minded and compassionate??? What kind of analogy is that?
When i saw him saying that i thought "Dude, look into the mirror for a second and ask yourself the question 'Who is the pig'"?
乂良 it’s not about holding the same moral value from pig:human but holding ENOUGH moral value to not UNNECESSARILY kill and exploit an innocent being.
When you don't have an answer, press the mute button!
JOEY NEVER ANSWERED THE QUESTION.
@@Kyle27ish Look, a corpse eater calling me delusional. That's a first! Good one mate.
We can both agree this was a very heated debate, not a discussion.
Him: "It's a pig". Me: yes you correctly identified the animal, gold star.
😂😂
What he forgot to do was address the pig as someone
I died when I read that lmao 😂😂 gold star
Let's have a street party… [scoffs]
I was debating with a farmer today that I work with and I just kept thinking to myself “what would Joey say” 😂
@@JoeyCarbstrong We are all one Joey, have an open mind.
Megan Murphy wwjd (what would Joey do)
@@JoeyCarbstrong where do you stand in abortion Joey?
FOREAL!!!!😂😂
He was a jackass. Well done brother! 🌱
You are too generous.
Is
Moi To be or not to be. That is the question.
The vegan was the jackass.
@Berfin Hacyusuf people are animals.
This guy has a big ego, I can tell - he won't even let you finish talking. This was a little irritating to watch.
Joey never lets anyone else finish, why should he?
@@chillaxer8273 you want another human to die? And all because he forced your Messiah into blabbering like an idiot. I'm confused. Aren't vegans supposed to be against the killing of other creatures (in this case a human)
Big ego - and a big arse as well
LejonelNr2 Just like how i want the pigs on the farm dead so i can eat them.
Jiblert CP neither of them did.
3:10 Except Joey can’t “just speak” because you’re muting his arguments
Because it’s Nick’s show, joey kept avoiding the question and just ranted on
"Where's your data?"
Joey, I love you!
When a carnist claims that something vegans do is ineffective, you can already assume that he is lying in order to make them stop because it actually IS effective and that's what he's actually trying to prevent.
"Where's your data?" Perfect response Joey! 👏👏👏
Carnists absolutely LOVE to tell vegans what's good or bad for the movement. Sad thing is they never happen to have the data.
Also, "I will never go vegan because a vegan was mean to me" is not an acceptable argument. Just childish.
@@Masilya111 People don't want to be associated with the image of militant vegans and so that is also a factor for some people, whether it is right or wrong. Peaceful and non invasive is most effective if you actually want your cause to be respected.
Lol you were brutal Joey. Good job. The buyers of meat should know how their food is produced. They should be forced to watch the whole "process" before. Why do they hate it so much? As a vegan, I wouldn't mind watching my meal being picked from the field.
Yea most vegans are brutal
@kouzou8 if that video is disturbing their good time then they should think before contributing to it. Smokers read about the harms of smoking every time they take a cigarette out of the package. Meat eaters should look at the harm meat industry is causing every time they get food.
@kouzou8 no, the message should be present as they are about to order, just like it happens with the messages on cigarette packages. I remember smokers whining too when it started, but it was effective. Same should apply on meat.
100% agree Club Sanjuichi, well said.
@@moutinexeidwkei You make some excellent points!
This riled me up. He was asking loaded questions to try and catch Joey out. He clearly had no intentions of entertaining any of Joey’s arguments from the beginning and just laughed at what he said.
You new to the internet?
*If animals were made for us to eat, we wouldn't have to cook them, disconnect animal from food (by making patties..), we would see slaughterhouse footage and feel hungry instead of disgusted, and we wouldn't have to season them to make them consumable.*
If you watch even a quarter of Joey's videos, (or earthling ed, or forks over knives/cowspiracy/dominion) such ignorance wouldn't even be stated (that animals were made to be eaten.)
That's why you should go raw carni
@@gavinmort5989 lmao. Raw carni? I think that's one of the biggest arguments for us as a species.. because it proves that we aren't meant to eat meat! We can't use our teeth to eat an animal the way a lion would and we would quickly fall ill from illness and death after eating raw meat
@@emberdt7998 you believe what you want and if you rear the animal yourself none of the mass injected antibiotic animals you can eat meat raw no problem people have been doing it since the beginning of time steak susi salmon eggs with no health problem in fact its the opposite some people are so dumb how do you think you got here not by the infertile vegans that's for sure eat meat make families
vegans also season their food........
@@Mr_ZPguy with plants......
What a horrible little condesending man, trying to make out that he actually cares for sheep that are trapped in a bramble bush.
Apparently the ones against violence are being extreame....Who cares how long we have eaten meat? That means jack when trillions are being slaughtered for years. This guy is rude, he is interrupting Joey and acting like a jerk.
He making me act like so people can see hes rude and an asshole
If you gotta mute someone, you’ve lost the argument...
2019 will be the final year for dairy industry. I think this is possible. Much love to all of my fellow vegan youtubers on social media. I F@$KING LOVE YOU💯😁😊🤗👏🏾👍🏿✊🏽🐷🐖🐄🔥
maybe milk but definitely not cheese. remove subsides absolutely, but even many non vegans are quitting milk.
LMFAO! That's wishful thinking right there. It would take YEARS for the dairy industry to come to an end. The most realistic possibility is that it'll see a massive drop in sales and money (smilier to some dairy industries nowadays...but on a bigger scale) but you will still have people supporting and buying dairy products. Sorry to say this but I'm an animal lover and I'm on a WHFPBD as well.
2019? You cannot be serious.
@@theparadiddlydoo2771 What's an animal lover?
...pretty self explanatory I would've thought?@@soberobserver1646
The radio host of overweight he needs to try a plant based diet and see how his life improves. He's most likely got type 2 diabetics and atherosclerosis. He's probably costing the NHS a fortune.
Secondly he's ignorant of the farming practices that make animal agriculture the Worst thing ever
Add erectile dysfunction to the list
Well said
Vegans are just so nice!!!!
Lee Davenport please don’t compare happy, harmless female organs to this nasty ball of flesh.
He took a wool producing sheep without knowing how to properly care for it, neglected it and it died a horrible death. Now, if that was a dog, he would have at least some problems with the police, but nope... it was "just a sheep". Disgusting.
Thank you Joey for speaking up for the voiceless.
The lack of empathy said “intelligent” people have is appalling. He uses control tactics to guide the conversation in one way.
I’m so grateful for the new humans coming up in this world. Gives me hope and I’m proud to call you my family.
Vegans don’t know the word yes, no and nature.
Just had a bowl of spinach, peas, broccoli, gardein vegan"chicken", and chia seeds as a small filling lunch till later. Had whole grain oats almond milk water this morning. Having orange juice and more water now.
It feels nice to eat without contributing to mass slaughter and torture.
🍅🍓🍞🌶🍄🍉🍆🍊🍇🍏🍈
(By the way, I eat way more than this. I eat alot of beans, quinoa, nuts, fruit, the list goes on.)
Ember D&T - damn, you must fart a lot!
Or your amazing
@@nickjames5366 lmfao. I eat alot of fiber so I'm indeed gassy.
@Wo Jak chemicals😂 lmao
I eat organic whole foods. I'd rather have proper digestion than be consuming carcinogenic dead animals.
@Wo Jak fiber is literally needed, the reason it causes vegans to be gassy at the start sometimes is because humans usually are consuming much smaller amounts. Also red meat is literally classed as a carcinogen. You're incredibly uneducated lmao. I'm not responding to you anymore.
Joe you embarrassed the guy the truth always prevails
Nope, try again.
JOEY NEVER ANSWERED THE QUESTION
That was super-infuriating! "Let's justify the slaughter of billions of innocent beings by asking the vegan if he is against sheering sheep so they don't die of fly-larva infecting their anus as a result of feces being stuck to the unshawn wool! - Gotcha!"
💚 much love to you joey
there's an art to keeping your cool, not biting at the bait while still getting your message across
An art to keeping your cool, while the media attempts to smear the vegan image, while the media attempts to smear your image, while the media attempts to pretend like animal abuse is okay, while the media is trying to bait you into looking like a fool, while antagonizing you, while muting you, while delivering your message.
@@lamer8310 Yes, even then it's an art to keeping your cool. The point of these debates is not "to be right", because we all know Joey is right, but to reach and convert as much non-vegans as possible.
Seriously, i've let some of my non-vegans friends watch this and they all think "the vegan is arrogant". While these same friends listened with an open mind to Earthling Ed's debates, because he always keeps his cool. You don't have to look at these debates from a vegan-perspective, because then you can feel the anger and frustration Joey feels, but you have to look at it from a non-vegan-perspective.
apolicum don't mistake the fact that you and your friends don't appreciate this for a reason to push the idea that there is a wrong way to have this kind of conversation. There is no cookie cutter approach to activism, the different approaches exist in order to reach the huge array of different kinds of minds that are out there listening. There's a whole world out there that isn't you or your social group. It's unsurprising that you all agree. So why would your opinion about this specific form of activism be relevant when you clearly aren't considering the aforementioned points
Amy Smith: 100% spot on again. Very well put.
When you don't actually have a valid argument: mute your opponent.
Create a Better World by......GOING VEGAN
Louis Gedo ...and destroying carnist nonsense by facts and logic.
@@donaldanderson6578 well omnivores can whoop vegans ass with fact and logic
@@nandinhocunha440 I have yet to see that happen
@@emberdt7998 you know cows have four stomach to presence grass
Maybe people should do their own research and choices instead of obeying morally superior vegans as you.
Gwan Joey!
Nick Ferrari shows a very arrogant and ignorant personality. For him to think animal cruelty is normal says a lot about his character. Thank you Joey for speaking up for the voiceless.
This wasnt a debate, just selected topics that the host had picked out. Would be good to see how Nick Ferrari had done if he had to do a real debate. Stay strong Joey
He appreciates and agrees with our cause but not to the point that he can look past animals as more than mere products and stop eating their flesh! The part when he said "it's a pig" made me rage! How someone can be so emotionally desensitised to the suffering of a beautiful living being is beyond me. I think considering the fact he was rude and condescending you handled yourself fantastically my friend.
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Don’t be afraid to answer DIRECTLY, Joseph.
Hey Joey, read my comments before the comments get flooded. Alot of people trying to defend eating meat with religion on here today
What are your thoughts on Almond milk joey. I saw someone say that since they're fortified with calcium, they can possibly cause blood problems. (And when raising a toddler that's problematic because he's picky and won't eat stuff like kale ect. I usually have to get bolthouse farms juice to get him to consume veggies)
I cringe at your repetitive arguments daily. Thanks for the joy you bring me. A bit sad at the same time tho.
You have still got to learn to not get trolled by fools. Calmly answer yes or No, then politely ask if you may elaborate. Point out directly where they are being unnecessary facetious and treat them as a misbehaving child. Easier said than done im aware but extremely important to take this thing to the next level.
Job Well Done Joey !! Stand your Ground Freind 🙏🏼💪🏼 Love & Peace
Nice work Joey
Regardless of anything - Joey you are winning the battle - you have created massive change even with the mere fact that you are getting airtime in commercial media is so so big. I see people like you and Ed getting airtime and being invited and I know we have come such a long way. The conversation is being had ! Love ya
Joey you did good buddy. I'm a committed vegan, but looking at the interview dispassionately for a second, to people outside the UK this guy Nick Ferrari is up there with Piers Morgan, and their "trade" is to ask probing questions. NB The whole premise was to ensure that everything focused on meat and NOT dairy. You have to give it to Nick Ferrari he has seen how Philip Schofield and Piers Morgan were Carbstronged and his one success was there was no opportunity for the topic ever to hit cheese, whey, cream, milk etc. You know this.
Yo did so well here, Joey. This was a very difficult one but you handled it very well!
Awesome stuff Joey 💚
Holy shit Joey. You’ve grown the most patience. Well done bro.
That guy was totally inconsiderate. Worse than any restaurant disruption. Direct action is Necessary. I agree there are nicer less disruptive ways to get the message across to people but direct action is not just causing disruptions during people's precious meals. Direct action is just speaking up against injustice wherever you may see it. It is about opposing oppression and not remaining quiet when you bear witness to hypocrisy and apathy. Our silence makes us complicit to the violence. Even if it makes people uncomfortable to hear this and be interrupted while they're eating dead bodies, at least they are being given the opportunity to think critically about their own actions when being directly confronted about it. Yea, I think it is awkward af but no great change ever came from allowing the public to stay within their comfort zones. As long as it doesn't hurt anybody there is no wrong way to spread this plea for mercy.
It is frustrating for Joey not to answer the sheep shearing question, but I understand why. To me it's like being in a crowd of people and your screaming call 911 because there's a murder in progress but no one else acts like it's an emergency at all. Even telling you to keep it down. That's how I explain to nonvegans how I feel about animals being slaughtered.
The press is so powerful in its image-making role, it can make the criminal look like he's a victim and make the victim look like he's the criminal. --Malcolm X
Someone's evening experience is not more important than an animal's life. You can't expect us to follow these civil laws when you and the people inside that restaurant are violating the very essence of justice, that is so hypocritical. You're asking people to follow the law (which was created to prevent injustice from happening) when you yourself are actively taking part in the greatest injustice that's ever been perpetrated in the history of civilization.
Justice and animal rights outweighs property rights and civil duties, period. It becomes necessary and vital for activists to violate unjust laws in order to restore justice.
Typical media trying to victimize the perpetrators to serve their agenda.
The fact that sheep can't molt naturally because they grow a harmful amount of wool, and that human intervention is needed through sheering should be a source of deep shame. We've genetically bred animals into illness for our own benefit. the same can be said for dairy cows who produce more milk than their calves can drink, and thus need our intervention. And for hens who lay so many eggs that they have an increased risk of ovarian cancer, osteoporosis and egg binding.
Joey, you did such a great job, I'm pretty amazed! Never stop what you're doing!
Apart from now being able to actually grow a pair and answer the question without asking a question back. What a donkey
Much love to you Joey. I understand why you got so upset, the guy was utterly annoying, I don't know who is worse between him or Pierce Morgan. It was painful to watch him silence you and talking you over.
Luca Mariani This guy was way worse than Piers Morgan, even Piers Morgan didn’t interrupt this much.
Appreciate you and your voice Joe! Great job
What the guy has failed to mention is that sheep get flystriked because they've been genetically engineered to produce as much wool as possible, so they have flaps of skin that provoke that. Of course, they should be sheared because we are responsible for this! Does this jerk think that in the wild, original sheep and goats needed humans to shear them???!!! This arrogant attitude makes me so mad!!
Fantastic job under pressure here Joey! This guy was beyond rude and condescending, gunning for you from the very beginning. We are so proud of all that you do and what you have to go through to do it.
He can't handle the truth, we've got your back Joey. Good work
*Advice for activists*
We need conversations* on Veganism, not arguments*.
Arguments will never change the other persons view because arguments are always based on who wins & who loses the argument! And no one ever wins an argument because the only way u win is if the other person changes & sides with u. (And why would u side with someone who is yelling and getting angry with u)
When we argue, all it does it make the other person extremely defensive & bring their ego out. That’s exactly what happened in this video. That guy will never change or go Vegan because Joey came off angry and the interviewer became defensive now if he ever goes Vegan that means he’s lost. Losing is a pain to his ego. So instead he just says ignorant remarks like ‘Its just a pig’ etc.
If u remain calm and simply have a conversation and try to explain why you view things the way u do the other person will feel a lot more willing to be able to side with u. If u argue and get angry he’ll get defensive and never change.
If you’re going to be an activist, please don’t go around being angry and yelling at meat eaters it wont change a thing. Imagine yourself however long ago when you were eating meat, how would u want to be approached on veganism? By someone angry and yelling at u because you’re uneducated on the topic? Dont get mad at someones views if they don’t understand it in the first place. Educate them instead
I've been watching more and more of these interviews, and even from their edited end you still come off as someone who is logically assassinating them. Even when they have total editing control, you still dismantle their awful arguments seconds after they make them.
This is such a good way of spreading the message.
Goes out on a tangent into some fringe issues about sheep shearing and keeps not talking about the broader picture. "Seems you didn't answer my question directly..."
What a manchild...
Notice how Nick be silencin Joey, but Joey never silenced Nick, and they say that vegans r the rude ones or extremists, it’s a twisted world we live in
Great job Joey, What a douchebag that bloke was. He thought he was going to be clever and put you down. HE was the one evading answering. The more you watch that clip the more one realises you won hands down. Since when has mulesing been called dagging?
@Troy Boltan That wasn't all he was trying to do. You choose to ignore all the dirty tricks he was using. Joey has also said it is not a type of activism he supports but understands why they are doing it.
This "announcer" is so disrespectful! He just wanted to say his words, but wouldn't want to listen. He should learn how to communicate. Extremly unprofessional!!!!!
When he loses an argument he just silences Joey, since he provides no factual evidence and presents fallacies in his defense. Great Job Joey for exposing this clown
"We've been doing it for ages" must be one of the dumbest arguments in this discussion. Someone his age should have realized that immediately as it came to his mind, and he has interviewed lots of people, he is probably not stupid, how can he let such a easy to spot fallacy go from his mind to his mouth without realizing it?
Joey this did not come across well at all. Keeping cool in these situations is very difficult but this conversation was uncomfortable and rude.
Post the minutes and seconds where joey was rude
Yes, Nick was extremely rude from the start.
People will say anything to continue eating animals because of taste. I honestly don’t think they realise that there is life inside of the animals they pay for someone to kill. I hope this will end one day.
We going to listen to someone that was ex-member of a criminal gang about animal killing ? U properly giving human body's hell off a time u picked the wrong thing mate
Why don’t you answers the questions directly?
Just don't breed those sheep, that's it!
the man tells Joey that he doesn't seem to know how to properly answer a question but then when talking about something being legal doesn't make it moral and Joey asks him if slavery was moral just because it was legal he fails to answer a question regarding something not being moral just because it is legal. That's a logical failure
The genetically modified sheep getting stuck in a bush because the humans dont shear it hahahaha thats even a better one then "bacon tho"......
@@rorylee3582 The industry modifies everything if they can get more profit out of it... Sheep normally dont grow long hair that needs to be cut of by humans so the point that Nick Ferrari makes concerning dagging doesnt even happen in nature its because the industry selectively bred these sheep to grow this unnatural amound of wool.
@@rorylee3582 People only insult and get defensive about certain topics when they know they are guilty. Why do you have to resort to name calling? Are you unable to lead a serious conversation? Sheep domestication goes back to between 11000 and 9000 BC according to Wikipedia if you can rely on that which i doubt still the sheep have been domesticated long time ago when there was only selective breeding available to enhance the wool output. If you know how to use google you can see that in the modern day and age we use genetically modification because of our progress in technology to modify genes of sheep so they give more wool and milk and even let them grow faster. Peace and love to you brother.
@@rorylee3582 They love to hide information like that. All truths are suppressed by the mainstream, big pharma and big corporations in general. If you really look for it you will find it they even inserted jelly fish genes into sheep so they glow at night or put spider genes in so the sheep produce the silky protein the spider uses to build their powerful nets.
@@rorylee3582 Nothing is holy to the greed of humans. We even take stem cells from our own unborns to make profit.... You really think the industry cares about the consequences of genetically modifying sheep if they can make a lot of quick cash? I didnt attack you nor "your" country. I don't believe in man made separation. We are all in this together...
@@rorylee3582 There is enough resources out there to read up on. If you want to continue the conversation and sources give me something i can direct message you are even talk to you.
This guy expects you to use yes and no answers but when you ask him a question, he says "that's a very broad question".
4:45 just made me fully give up on humanity. Disgusting thing to say.
Thankfully this guy doesn't represent humanity! We'll know where people stand when this message reaches everyone -- at least we know many people are willing to support the animals.
Well done Joey. Some people just aren't willing to listen.
Nick has a point, I don’t think anyone can debate that eating meat is morally a good thing but at the same time anyone who thinks storming a restaurant and doing this sort of advocacy is positive and good thing is clearly wrong. You look at the backlash of that video, I can’t see how what they did has had any positive effects to the people your trying to convince...
Shane Danster yeh but it got me on a radio station with a reach of 2 million to discuss veganism.
Joey Carbstrong yes I noticed he cut you off a few times which is unfortunate, nevertheless I agree with him that storming restaurants is not a good thing for advocacy, look at the backlash of the video and tell me it’s has been positive for the vegan movement..
I saw many vegans on the comments and many vegans I know i am pretty sure would disagree with this sort of activism. There are better ways of getting the message across. All I see online is people ridiculing vegans. I really can’t see what good this has done...
Andrew MFree I’m not arguing against the message my friend, just feel there much better ways of communicating that message to convince people and not turn people away.
im so moral that i eat fruits and veg, when you eat morals dont come into it
The interviewer is manipulating the questions to try and justify, but then Joey stood his ground and rightfully so. Jeoey has the truth behind him and didn't cave in. I love you Joey and your team, you have millions of us behind you! Keep fighting!! We will never stop!
politicians dodge questions far more than this. Most interviewers ignore this but when it's a vegan (and you were actually answering the question): evidently fed up.
It's a well-known technique. Ask only yes/no questions and then accuse the person of not answering the question if the answer is more than just a yes or a no.
Thanks for doing this joey!!!
Oh Joey. Will you ever learn to listen and portray your views through logic fueled by passion instead of emotionally attacking people with your moral superiority.
Get lost, he did a great job and was not allowed to answer.
disisk - does that mean that you feel morally unsuperior? You wouldn´t have been pointing that out if not, right?
@@annapomelo3818 I think the word you were looking for was inferior. And as a vegan you should very much know that one doesn't exclude the other. I don't believe in objective moralism either btw
Low level debating by Joey. Joey can't operate outside his script. Once he loses control of a debate he amps up, reverts back to illogical analogies, speaks over people and becomes aggressive. Joey refused to answer basic questions, then tried to shift the topic and ended up in la la land as he always does. No wonder Joey only has 136k subscribers. I follow a kid who goes fishing and he has over 500k.. says everything about Joey and his low level activism skills. Sorry mate. Practice makes perfect Joey, you'll get better, I hope.
lol people are really against restaurant protests????
Oh cause GOD FORBID we interrupt a meal of violence.
News Flash: No one cares for your hurt feelings.
Were still going to nonviolently speak up for the victims on their plates.
Leilani Puerto yeah it is not effective activism at all
@@AshSmi-pm8rk
Says you.
The victims are thankful and thats what matters.
Unlike the people eating, we arent doing anything violent or unethical.
Even if it reaches one person, its effective.
@Troy Boltan
wow. maybe eating all that violence is what made you this violent. #GoVegan
@Troy Boltan
No matter what others say, you have no right to assault others.
And vegans have every right to speak out against injustice and to those perpetrating it.
@Troy Boltan
Its not about you. Nor am I trying to force you to be my puppet.
Youre choosing to continue trolling on a vegan vid.
Its not about what you eat but who you eat.
Its about the victims.
Animals, such as humans, are sentient beings.
Plants are intelligent but they are NOT sentient.
Thats basic science.
So yes, science does know 100% that plants DONT have a CNS of pain receptors.
And BTW my dinner will not consist of dead bodies, not that I know what the point of sharing that is.
To be fair Joey, you should of just answered his questions with yes or no then elaborated.
"You disrupted my meal tho"
yeah kindly fuck off
Love what you are doing brother. I think if you had been calmer and considered you wouldn't have fallen into his traps. The end goal for the vegan cause here surely is to try and convince his audience, not him necessarily. Perhaps this could have been achieved with a more structured dialogue, than a shouting match. Keep doing what you're doing. Much love.
great work joey!!
I appreciate you so much for going out there and doing the work, thank you and keep going! I'm a vegan activist as well and I'm learning so much from your debate skills. This one was particularly painful. He was really bad at argumentation and saying some stupid things. Also interviewing you and not letting you answer the questions...
*Hey I tagged you in an Instagram story Joey! My coffee creamer lied to me*
5:39 end of discussion. "rape feels good" should we all go rape? Ggaawwd my brain hurts!
As much as I appreciate your videos and debates I feel this one could have been better, and I don’t feel this was your best work.
I felt uncomfortable for you because they kept silencing you, and I feel that you could have had a much better debate had you slowed down and been more methodical.
Stay awesome, but please use this experience to enhance your debating so you can deal with people like this that don’t want to listen.
We will look forward to your videos where you do better. All this bloke wanted to do was ride all over Joey, it was impossible to have a discussion with him.
Jon woodville-price From your response I feel I’ve not clearly explained my point.
While true he did want to try and disprove someone, I feel that had Joey been more direct he would have garnered more respect from the presenter. I’ve listened to LBC quite a few times and that audience respects straight talking.
Had a more straight talking approach been used I feel this debate would have had more impact, and been far better received.
I’m not saying it’s easy, what I’m saying is it would have improved things. In the hope that Joey sees this and thinks about how to adapt to different people to better put forward the message that is animal liberation.
@@jonjonwp Precisely. These people here giving Joey critiques are the ones sitting on their asses while he's out breaking his back to save animals and putting up with all the CRAP. Honestly.
Harvey PlantHarvester so right u are
The Fat Vegan Liberator It wasnt a debate. You could not have done any better.
Ferrari mutes Joey...
closing his ears to the truth.
Agree with the message, not the method. I've did a few myself. It just alienates us from public. There are better ways.
Southy and then you’d promptly be arrested for assault, the protest would make the news and you’d be helping spread the vegan message :) thanks for scoring an own goal.
It does not really matter how the message is delivered all that matters is more people hear it. Plus he is not angry here at all. They interviewed him. He then ended up diverting a lot of very foolish questions from an ignorant fool without any real opportunity to state his case. I wonder how anyone would have coped in that situation. He did superbly well.
Oy - entitlement is rancid, isn't it? Good work Joey. Your patience is stellar.
This makes me wonder how many other guests he's muted. Utterly pathetic.
There were a fair few points where you refused to answer the point directly, maybe because you'd got a bit heated. I don't think that's the best way to get a point across but can see why you were antagonised.
I deleted my first comment because I noticed I'd made an error. Honestly, this debate was irritating from both sides. You both were interrupting each other which is obviously frustrating, but I will admit I've seen you do so much better, Joey. I know with interviews like these, there is an urgency to get your message heard and when the host goes on their own tangent, it's like you can't get your words in, but literally yelling into your phone and constantly interrupting him still doesn't do your side of the argument any justice. Cool, calm, collected is the key and it seemed like you let your passion for the cause really get to you, which is obviously understandable!
Also, sometimes you have to let the other side finish what they're actually saying, and then come back with something along the lines of what the other person was talking about. That was another things that I noticed - for quite a while he was wanting to talk about sheep and you were like "but steak though"....I was like, what?! Then by the time you were actually willing to talk about it, he was fed up with you and muted you. I'm sure throughout everything you've been doing these past weeks that you're exhausted and burnt out and that's what I'm going to chalk this up to because you're SO much better than this one little moment! (And obviously that guy was a douche) Keep up the amazing work that you've been doing and take care of yourself too! ✌🏼❤️
I think Joey sensed early in the interview that the interview framing his question in a dishonest way to make him look bad. If Joey stayed "calm", he wouldn't have the opportunity to state any of his arguments.
Biased interviewers sometimes use "yes or no" questions as an slick way to set up an opponent to lose an argument.
Also, when it's just an interview, the interviewer is supposed to be in control of the conversation but when it turns into a debate that all changes. He must take some control back unless there is an unbiased moderator.
We all have our off days. Why don't you just keep your criticism to yourself and support him for all the wonderful and exhausting work he's doing. Seriously he needs your opinion?
@@keithh23 IMO the best way to gain control with someone like that is to let them get out whatever they want to say...then when they're done, calmly state your side. He didn't even attempt to approach the yes or no thing and kind of went on about something else. When someone asks a yes or no question like that and there is no yes or no answer, you say something like "I can't say yes or no to this. Do you want to know why?" then they're like "Yeah!"
and the floor SHOULD be open at that point. Sometimes you have to speak to immature people (i.e. the host) like a child and spell it out for them...otherwise they'll tune you out if you just start blabbering on and on. I think Joey knows all of this already because he's been doing this for so long and he's an amazing debater. I think he let this situation get the best of him...and that's okay. We're all humans just trying to do our best for the animals!!
@@harveyplantharvester1502 In his pinned comment he actually does ask for our thoughts...and I gave my thoughts. Also, I guess you missed my last bit praising him for all he does do. That's okay tho. 🤷♀️
@@chelseathorne4352 you are right in most situations but I've seen that approach backfire and I'm sure Joey has also. This happens on talk radio all the time. The host drives the conversation and misrepresents your position early and when it's time to clearly stay your position time runs out or the interviewer moves on.
Many movements use different tactics to progress. The preferred method is always the best for every situation. Sometimes the best method isn't polite.
*What are your thoughts on Almond milk joey. I saw someone say that since they're fortified with calcium, they can possibly cause blood problems. (And when raising a toddler that's problematic because he's picky and won't eat stuff like kale ect. I usually have to get bolthouse farms juice to get him to consume veggies)*
@@haydo8373 with all respect, you can fuck off, I can ask Joey if I want. He is well educated and even the most educated nutritionists might preach fallacies. 👌
You are great man!
This looked really nerve-racking, he clearly thinks he is highly superior. but you did a great job.
Thumbs down, far too aggressive, Hopefully this interview fades away from the internet.... played right into him, Nick is a pro, Joey still has a way to go... Don't just repeat with answers, be part of the interview, the point of these encounters is to outwit your opponent... not repeat NPC type stuff
"Do you support protests such as these ?" Joey should have replied with no, I prefer the type of protests I am currently involved with, some of which you may have seen ? Question then goes back to Ferrari. Ferrari gets obsessed with trying to get a yes or no. Just reply with no , it would have weakened Ferrari and changed the dynamics. Unfortunately the interview then descended into Joey having to fall-back on the pig/dog, taste/life verbatim and give Ferrari an excuse to joke about sausages and tasteless salmon. With the sheep debacle maybe just answer yes , it's necessary because we've domesticated them , what I don't agree with is breeding them into existence in the first place. Use wild sheep and goats as an example. This is a good one for Joey to reflect on.
@@farmergiles6142 Agreed... Explained well, Joey needs to engage with the interviewer, it is not street activism where you are trying to get across as many points as possible so you have then indexed in your brain and they just roll off the tongue...
“I’m all for not abusing animals but I’m not going to stop paying people to horrifically slaughter them. Besides the real issue here is bad people like you making me feel bad about it..,”
Joey, I get that you're very passionate about this, I am too. But you need to calm down a little bit. This just perpetuates the angry vegan stereotype, although all of your points are 100% valid.
Just remember, people are living in ignorance and only compassion will breed more compassion.
Thank you for all you do, I hope you are doing okay.
JuiceyNinjaGames Thank you. But just letting you know that I won’t listen to your advice. I will speak with conviction for the victims and if I get passionate sometimes, (especially considering the way he ‘interviewed’ me) then so be it. BTW If you’re not angry, you’re not looking hard enough. Peace ✌️
@@JoeyCarbstrong "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
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Look after yourself Joey, much love.
@@JoeyCarbstrong We've gotta try to follow suit with Earthling Ed. He tries to contain his composure in any confrontation.
Though some people are very irritating to deal with
We all work every day to better ourselves and how we handle situations
I understand what you're saying, but this guy was being a dick
@@JoeyCarbstrong You go Joey! You wouldn't be you without your passion! It makes you my favorite activist and there's so many of us who appreciate you taking all the CRAP from both sides like these armchair critics!!!! xoxoxox
Thank you for speaking out.. Animals are not here for us humans..
Oh my god, that Nick dude is incredibly rude "I wish I had a sausage". You were not too aggressive at all Joey!
The protest looked like a scene from the Walking Dead. I thought to myself, 'Where's Negan?'