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    I found this new outlet design at the International Builder Show (IBS) 2024 in Las Vegas. I decided to buy several from Amazon and give them a bit of a test. I was surprised with what I found on the inside and also did a bit of a max load test for 60 minutes to see what the internal temperatures would reach and if this new outlet design is safe for your home.
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  • @AndrewFremantle
    @AndrewFremantle 2 місяці тому +126

    The physical construction of the LIDER does seem non-ideal, but the connector layout is fascinating. The number of times I've had a wall-wart just oh-so-barely obstruct the other outlet would be resolved by this design.

    • @EverydayHomeRepairs
      @EverydayHomeRepairs  2 місяці тому +18

      Probably the strongest use case for this outlet. Every once in a while it would be handy.

    • @ps.2
      @ps.2 2 місяці тому +1

      Why not just implement a standard Decora duplex but with the outlets at the very top and bottom of the cutout? That is to say, 4 to 5 mm further apart than usual.

    • @ps.2
      @ps.2 2 місяці тому +2

      Actually I could see a use case for a duplex receptacle with the top plug upside down. Specifically, where for space or other reasons, you want to install it sideways.

    • @GabrielGonzalez2
      @GabrielGonzalez2 2 місяці тому +1

      @@ps.2 I've had some wall warts that are the opposite of normal ones so they can fit with standard wall warts. A design like this would fix both.

  • @GenaTrius
    @GenaTrius 2 місяці тому +410

    If I went over to a friend's house and saw these on the walls I'd think I was having a fucking stroke

    • @jimyeats
      @jimyeats 2 місяці тому +9

      this is amazing and I agree.

    • @markm0000
      @markm0000 2 місяці тому +7

      Hahahaa lmao

    • @AlanTheBeast100
      @AlanTheBeast100 2 місяці тому +12

      A fucking stroke is typically 5 - 7 inches depending on length of the device.

  • @Rappoltt
    @Rappoltt 2 місяці тому +86

    This is an excellent review and test! If I saw these, I might've gotten them, until I saw how flimsy those internals are

    • @SoloRenegade
      @SoloRenegade 2 місяці тому +5

      Same. Good idea, very poor execution.

  • @bwedesign
    @bwedesign 2 місяці тому +120

    Definitely an example of solution in search of a problem.

    • @KE5ZZO
      @KE5ZZO 2 місяці тому +8

      @bwedesign There was no problem if you followed any experienced electrician you install ground down because all appliance angle cords are made for ground down

    • @Packhorse-bh8qn
      @Packhorse-bh8qn 2 місяці тому +10

      @@KE5ZZO /sigh/
      This idiocy again.
      Appliance cords are not made for ground down. They are not made for ground up. They don't care.
      This isn't about ground down or up. it's about getting more outlets in a smaller place.

    • @Eidolon1andOnly
      @Eidolon1andOnly 2 місяці тому +14

      ​@@Packhorse-bh8qnBecause of the shared blade, this doesn't increase the number of outlets, it's still only two receptacles per outlet. It is solely about whether placing the plug ground up or ground down, and yes, many plugs where the cord is perpendicular to the plug are designed for ground down use.

    • @mjc0961
      @mjc0961 2 місяці тому +2

      @@Packhorse-bh8qn Look at the design again: this doesn't give you more outlets. It's still only two.
      Also appliance cords and power strip cords are absolutely made for ground down. Flat plugs, with the cord coming out at a 45 degree angle, pointing down towards the floor if ground down and up into the air if ground up. Or flat plugs with the cord coming out straight down from the ground pin, once again going to the floor if plugged in ground down or going into the air if ground up.

    • @chaos.corner
      @chaos.corner 2 місяці тому +1

      @@KE5ZZO I found one that isn't but all the others I have looked at, including those with GFCI plugs, that's been the case.

  • @richardhole8429
    @richardhole8429 2 місяці тому +131

    Wow! I wouldn't be surprized if they sell several dozen of these outlets before realizing nobody wants them.

    • @HelloKittyFanMan.
      @HelloKittyFanMan. 2 місяці тому +10

      They wouldn't sell them if nobody wanted them.

    • @rickhole
      @rickhole 2 місяці тому +10

      @@HelloKittyFanMan. How'd that work out for New Coke?

    • @GoatZilla
      @GoatZilla 2 місяці тому +5

      Why do you have two accounts?

    • @veganpotterthevegan
      @veganpotterthevegan 2 місяці тому

      ​@@HelloKittyFanMan. They wouldn't sell them if they knew people don't want them😂

    • @HelloKittyFanMan.
      @HelloKittyFanMan. 2 місяці тому

      They sold some, didn't they, @@rickhole?

  • @elwoodchisom5277
    @elwoodchisom5277 2 місяці тому +46

    This does help with the issue of cords with right angle plugs which are found on some appliances. This would allow for the cords to hang from the bottom regardless of how the plug is made, ground on top or bottom.

    • @Count_Smackula
      @Count_Smackula 2 місяці тому +3

      I could use this behind my fridge. It has a right angle plug, as does the power strip for the adjacent counter. It's an uncomfortably awkward fit.

    • @eugenetswong
      @eugenetswong 2 місяці тому +4

      I think that this makes the most sense for when the plugs aren't going in and out often. If they stay in there most of the time, then we're good to go.
      The appliances could even help to hold them in.

    • @alexandercastleberry480
      @alexandercastleberry480 2 місяці тому +1

      Ground on top. Everything else is wrong.

    • @poiiihy
      @poiiihy 2 місяці тому

      @@alexandercastleberry480 no u

    • @ronb6182
      @ronb6182 2 місяці тому

      ​@alexandercastleberry 480 Ground needs to be near the ground that is on the bottom. We are not living in a hospital. Only exception if you have a GFI plug like on window AC units then you need ground up so the wire hangs down. There is no law saying all outlets need to be in the same orientation. 73

  • @2mustange
    @2mustange 2 місяці тому +3

    great take on this. I love how you dive into the component and wish more people did this in their reviews

  • @WhiteVaille
    @WhiteVaille 2 місяці тому +37

    Very interesting concept. I don't know if it's a smart thing to do, but definitely agree that the internal design is very much not suitable for long-term safety. Definitely ought to have constant spring tension applied for electrical contacts (and in my world of automotive, also constant tension for hose clamps). Options are nice, but shouldn't be at the cost of long-term safety.

    • @SoloRenegade
      @SoloRenegade 2 місяці тому +1

      Same. Good idea, very poor execution.

  • @johnkolassa1645
    @johnkolassa1645 2 місяці тому +2

    As a statistician, I love that you actually do experiments. Sorry I couldn't help with a new subscription; I subscribed long ago.

  • @hassanbazzi3545
    @hassanbazzi3545 2 місяці тому +1

    Amazing video. Thank you for sharing

  • @CarbonPhysics
    @CarbonPhysics 2 місяці тому +15

    Really good review, thank you. They definitely look attractive on first impression, but I don't want anything so failure prone in my house.

    • @EverydayHomeRepairs
      @EverydayHomeRepairs  2 місяці тому +7

      Yeah, I give them credit for taking a swing at a new design but might need some improvements to really gain any traction.

  • @above7833
    @above7833 2 місяці тому +1

    Great presentation… thanku…

  • @AlanTheBeast100
    @AlanTheBeast100 2 місяці тому +13

    Just cut that jumper and you have two independent hots. So you could not only make one side "switched" and the other side always on, but (after cutting that jumper) you could supply two sets of hot (opposite 120's for a total 240) to have higher capacity at the socket.
    (eg: Red to one hot side, Black to the other hot side; neutral to centre - standard 15A times 2).

    • @matthewlithgow8578
      @matthewlithgow8578 2 місяці тому +1

      I think the point of the design is that you can have it as a half hot with a switch controlling one outlet, but then you can just turn the plug upside down and have 2 unswitched outlets. I don’t think I’d ever use one though.

    • @AlanTheBeast100
      @AlanTheBeast100 2 місяці тому

      @@matthewlithgow8578 Agreed-ish. They seem to have 2 models, 1 with the hot jumping to the other side, and another without the jumper so one could have switched and unswitched sides.
      I can see the appeal of that - as I can for a 240 split version (2 x 120) - for example in the kitchen.
      I do this with the usual 2 socket outlets by snipping the tab between the upper and lower hots.

    • @kstaxman2
      @kstaxman2 2 місяці тому +1

      But nothing will fix the bigger problem for me.. there is no spring pressure on the plug connection. Over time that's guaranteed to product problems and I suspect if it's a plug that has lots of things plugged and unplugged into it that it won't be that long before the connection isn't sound.

    • @AlanTheBeast100
      @AlanTheBeast100 2 місяці тому

      @@kstaxman2 You're basing that on the opinion of the video auteur - reality may be different.

    • @ARockRaider
      @ARockRaider 2 місяці тому

      the build quality of this outlet is junk, but im more interested in the idea of having one side switched and the other always hot.
      your idea of 120 and 240 being available at one outlet may also be interesting but i would worry if the wires could handle that.

  • @robertthompson3447
    @robertthompson3447 2 місяці тому +6

    I wanted a 220v option. Like I could plug in a lamp OR something that that would go hot to hot. 🙃

    • @cmmartti
      @cmmartti 2 місяці тому

      Combo 120V/240V devices already exist, such as the Leviton 5031-W.

  • @monohydrate2
    @monohydrate2 Місяць тому

    I would subscribe twice if I could, excellent teardown and analysis

  • @scorpio6587
    @scorpio6587 Місяць тому

    Great information, thank you.

  • @kenmore01
    @kenmore01 2 місяці тому +1

    Been subscribed for years. Best of luck in your goal!

  • @chublez
    @chublez 2 місяці тому

    Pretty neat idea using those big Jackery deals to power the setup.

  • @What1zTyme
    @What1zTyme 2 місяці тому +3

    Best information for DIYers on the whole YT ! Great presentation! Love show and tell!

  • @Gameplayer55055
    @Gameplayer55055 2 місяці тому +4

    Imagine having shuko outlets that can be plugged in both directions

  • @mako9673
    @mako9673 2 місяці тому

    Interesting concept.

  • @randyrodriguez4643
    @randyrodriguez4643 2 місяці тому +1

    Seems like a solution in search of a problem.

  • @briandeschene8424
    @briandeschene8424 2 місяці тому +21

    I appreciate the innovative design and capability. Do not accept the build engineering compromises. I wouldn’t want to see these in my home.
    Although you only predicted this failure mode (and I agree with the likelihood your prediction is correct), I have zero tolerance for loose fitting AC plugs!

  • @billybike57
    @billybike57 2 місяці тому

    Thanks for sharing, hopefully after other manufacturers begin to also manufacture these outlets they’ll become more safe? Thank!👍🏼

  • @guarinoman
    @guarinoman 2 місяці тому

    And there it is! The Wago mention right near the end of the video. If you're not getting paid by them I wouldn't believe it.

  • @mathuetax
    @mathuetax 2 місяці тому +1

    Interesting, looks like it takes inspiration from Despard.

  • @TheSeanUhTron
    @TheSeanUhTron 2 місяці тому +4

    I could definitely see myself using these for switched outlets. It would be nice to be able to use both receptacles as non-switched, and then later on just flip the plug and turn it back to switched.
    It could also be handy for kitchen receptacles using MWBC. Each side would be on a different circuit, so you could make sure your high-draw kitchen appliances are on separate circuits without having to move them to a different outlet. Although the plug retention design doesn't inspire much confidence in its durability, so.... Probably not ready for that type of usage yet.
    Otherwise, I don't see much of a point to this outlet design.

    • @scottbitz5222
      @scottbitz5222 2 місяці тому

      Only thing I see is 2 90 degree plugs on 1 outlet. This alternated design means you could still fit both on 1 outlet instead of requiring a separate outlet or unplugging one thing when you need to plug in the other thing

  • @pfitz4881
    @pfitz4881 2 місяці тому +1

    What I'm really interested in is the Thermal Device you used with your iPhone. I'd go with the more capable "normal" outlet.

  • @dreadfulgranola509
    @dreadfulgranola509 2 місяці тому

    Cool now I can have two wall warts in an outlet like I’m supposed to

  • @terryq9966
    @terryq9966 2 місяці тому +6

    At first I thought it was a novel idea, but not one I would ever use after seeing the internal structure. I do think your test results may have been skewed in comparing a residential grade receptacle to your favorite commercial grade receptacle. Better to test apples to apples in a similar test. Love the channel.👍

    • @dgpsf
      @dgpsf 2 місяці тому

      I think his position is probably that residential grade ones are pretty crap though, so we should all be buying the commercial ones. If these interesting design ones were available in a commercial grade I'm sure he'd test them, but there's basically no reason to buy the residential standard ones, since they're so pathetic and since even at what, 4x the cost to get commercial grade, we're still talking $5 a receptacle.

  • @brianfritz575
    @brianfritz575 2 місяці тому

    You are so a glass half full kind of guy. I know those who think the ground needs to be up, will find these to be a problem, because no matter which way they mount them, they will have the possibility to have plugs put in with the ground down.

  • @DrBovdin
    @DrBovdin 2 місяці тому

    And here I was, thinking that finally someone had proposed a design to let you have backwards compatible 240 V sockets over there on the far side of the sea. The design looks a bit like a certain Italian style outlet but with blades instead of cylindrical prongs. With the two live terminals individually having connections, it even looks as if it could be used that way if the connecting wire is removed.
    It would not be the first time something like that was introduced. Over here in Switzerland there exists an ingenious single outlet that allows for either a standard one-phase plug or a three-phase plug.

  • @jmi967
    @jmi967 Місяць тому

    I can see one potential use for the soldered wire. If the outlet is overloaded and heats up enough to be dangerous, the solder melts and disconnects half the load. I doubt that’s the reason, but it's an idea

  • @sabregunner1
    @sabregunner1 2 місяці тому

    you know what i would like. the european switchable sockets (switch is part of the outlet) but with use plugs

  • @opinionatedman
    @opinionatedman Місяць тому

    Here is an electrician's perspective. When I first seen the design it looked interesting like it had potential. After seeing the internals I won't put one in my home. Every outlet has a shelf life, having that kind of slot doesn't have a lot of shelf life, eventually after so many actions of metal on metal it will wear down and since it isn't pushing into the male prong it will be a loose connection. This design also still only allows for 2 items to be plugged in at one so other than versatility you do not gain anything else.
    A secondary concern I have, which might be a non issue is the tamper resistant windows. Normal circumstances if there is pressure on one window and not the other the plastic shutters remain closed to prevent a child from pushing something in. If equal pressure the windows open allowing an item to be inserted. Looking at this hybrid outlet that has 3 slots (not counting ground) if I insert a cord end normally in the top right 2 locations, will the top left unused slot still remain tamper resistant or will it be bypassed since something is in the other 2/3 spots? Assuming it works correctly will the extra complexity of the plastic shutters increase the likely hood of product failure?
    I like the innovation and the outside the box thinking but I'd rather just cut a 2 gang in and have 2 good quality receptacles side by side. You have 4 spots to utilize, 1/4 can be switched, 2/4, 3/4, or all 4 if you so desire. You can rotate one entire outlet "upside down" and still gain 2 extra spots. Material costs to do this are still cheaper than the cost of one cheaply made device. $2.75 for a 2 gang remodel box, 2 commercial grade tamper resistant receptacles $2.63 each (I use residential grade in my own house-perfectly fine). You'll need about a foot of scrap wire, even using the highest cost HD has 1ft is $1.93 (15ft roll). That puts us at $9.94. Toss in a double duplex plate for $2.11 we are up to $12.05. Compare that to $13.99 and $14.99. Costs would be much cheaper as I was going for the higher quality items, more expensive wire costs. Just a gimmicky product.

  • @billsedutto8824
    @billsedutto8824 2 місяці тому +14

    It requires a double gang box so at that point why not install two receptacles one ground up and the other ground down? If this would have fit into a single gang box it would make more sense.

    • @EverydayHomeRepairs
      @EverydayHomeRepairs  2 місяці тому +9

      Nope, I had larger than needed boxes for the test but it will fit fine in a single gang.

    • @matt45540
      @matt45540 2 місяці тому

      Yes but it only provides two outlets, is the point that you can plug in either up or down depending on how you feel? ​@@EverydayHomeRepairs

    • @ARockRaider
      @ARockRaider 2 місяці тому

      ​@@matt45540
      that and the option to have one side linked to a switch (for lamps, Christmas lights ect) and the other side always on.

  • @sytritewarum5720
    @sytritewarum5720 Місяць тому

    I like the idea of having the option of one outlet being capable of both being controlled by a switch in one socket, and not in the other simultaneously... But, honestly, I would probably just use it for a lamp...

  • @paulwolf8444
    @paulwolf8444 2 місяці тому +1

    It should be a voltage choice of 110/220.

  • @kenmore01
    @kenmore01 2 місяці тому +9

    It is interesting looking, but I can't see much use for it. I am curious though, how do you get to the screws for the inner neutral connections?

    • @AlanTheBeast100
      @AlanTheBeast100 2 місяці тому +1

      @2:56 pretty clear

    • @TwilightxKnight13
      @TwilightxKnight13 2 місяці тому +2

      You can see that the neutral screws are on raised “rails” so you have direct access to them

    • @kenmore01
      @kenmore01 2 місяці тому

      @@AlanTheBeast100 ahh, so more connectors. Thanks!

  • @czhusky
    @czhusky 2 місяці тому +1

    Could you get a 220V connection out of that if you put two faces and a neutral in the middle?
    That would be a great solution for many things and a compatibility dream for American and European standards 😮

  • @jeffstewart9568
    @jeffstewart9568 2 місяці тому

    @silvercymbal had a video on some sort of similar outlet receptacle
    The Leviton QUADRAPLEX which provides four receptacles for a single gang box

  • @redneckbryon
    @redneckbryon 2 місяці тому

    I personally find the European outlets are far better designed than the North American.
    Having each individual outlet switched is a cool design.

  • @GoatZilla
    @GoatZilla 2 місяці тому

    These would probably be really useful for DIY extension cord jobs.
    Defo don't like the lack of spring force on the contacts though.

  • @northernmetalworker
    @northernmetalworker 2 місяці тому

    Would a person be able to remove the jumper wire from the two hot connections, which would allow for you to wire the plug in a way that it can provide 220v alokg with 110v?

  • @avflyguy
    @avflyguy 2 місяці тому +1

    Looking at that design on outlets all over the house would drive me nuts. I get it - for use with bulky plugs, but it just doesn't look right.

  • @surlyogre1476
    @surlyogre1476 2 місяці тому +11

    This appears to me to be a solution in search of a problem... and it still offers only two (accessible) outlets at a time.

    • @bob8mybobbob
      @bob8mybobbob 2 місяці тому +1

      I personally wish one of my outlets had the ability to be either switch controlled or always on based on how I plugged something in. As it is, if I want to charge my phone but not have the lamp on, I need to turn off the lamp by hand. But if I forget to turn the lamp back on, then when I come home at night and try and turn on the lamp I have to fumble in the dark.
      I’ve also frequently had an entire outlet taken up by one thing because it’s box was slightly too big to plug in something else with a ground.
      Also, most angled plugs have the cord going to the floor, but if I’m plugging something in behind furniture I want the cord coming out the top. Or the cord is angled right and I want it to go left.
      There are many use cases for this sort of plug. It’s not needed in many situations, but it doesn’t make it useless. Although a design with better internals would be ideal.

  • @-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-
    @-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- 2 місяці тому

    those look like a problem waiting to happen. i use the Leviton 1254 4-In-1 Quadruplex Receptacle; they hardwire into a receptacle and give you the 4 plugs safely. plus they come in various colors and 15 and 20 AMP options.

  • @jwest1305
    @jwest1305 2 місяці тому

    There is no debate, it is just a preference to follow the a standard or follow a practice. In practice residential receptacles are ground down, but the standard is ground up. Just look at the NEMA receptacle chart.

  • @Phil-D83
    @Phil-D83 2 місяці тому +1

    I stick to leveton's commercial grade outlets (3$ cdn vs like 1.20$ cdn for the regular ones)

  • @louiel8711
    @louiel8711 2 місяці тому

    Seems to be an answer to the half baked ground up code, still haven't seen right angle cords configured that way

  • @pezjme
    @pezjme 2 місяці тому +2

    I could see David Hasselhoff eating a cheeseburger off the floor trying to plug in his phone with this outlet. I'll pass on this one.

  • @drwhoeric
    @drwhoeric 2 місяці тому

    Have you considered reviewing an rating Triplex outlets where all three receptacles are usable. They seem to be few and far between available. Leviton once made the AC315

  • @mr.h4714
    @mr.h4714 2 місяці тому +15

    The problem this solves, everyone seems to be missing.......one side of the outlet is "always on", the other side is "switched", for lamps or items you want to come on with a switch. This doesnt solve a huge problem but it adds more convenience and flexibility to outlets

    • @matthewhuszarik4173
      @matthewhuszarik4173 2 місяці тому +6

      All the switched outlets I have ever seen only switch one outlet. So traditional outlets provide that. This just looks like a solution looking for a problem.

    • @andrewt9204
      @andrewt9204 2 місяці тому +5

      All regular outlets can do that too, it's just a matter if you want top or bottom on the switch. You can only plug in 2 items into either style.

    • @andrewt9204
      @andrewt9204 2 місяці тому +2

      I see what you were saying, yeah, I suppose you could put both plugs on the switched or unswitched side VS a regular receptacle. Although on a regular one if you need 2 lamps plugged in you could just use a splitter, not near enough current draw to be a worry and wont likely need to be unplugged very often.
      The best thing to do on a new wiring job is to put a dual gang box where the switched outlet would be so you can have 2 switched and 2 unswitched. I guess this new style receptacle would be closer to the next best option. Although I wouldn't use this one specifically, kinda weak construction.

    • @grantr5417
      @grantr5417 2 місяці тому

      I use Insteon outlets. Two independently switched, manual with button on outlet, and programmable for phone control, scenes etc.

    • @matt_b...
      @matt_b... 2 місяці тому +1

      If you don't already know how to solve this problem with a regular switch, a problem that's been solved for decades, then you have zero business saying what you've said.

  • @johncochran8497
    @johncochran8497 2 місяці тому

    Interesting output. Although it doesn't solve the "ground up or ground down" debate. The issue is that if a plug is partially pulled out and a thin conductive object falls down (such as a metal plate cover), a ground down configuration will allow a short between hot and neutral, while a ground up configuration will have it hang harmlessly. But the outlet shown has both hot connections towards the outside and if a metal plate cover were to fall, it would short the hot to the ground.

    • @MikeKobb
      @MikeKobb 2 місяці тому

      I have actually had that happen. I was removing a polished brass outlet cover in a house I had just bought, to peek in and see what kind of wiring was in the box, and instead I got to test the circuit breaker. (It worked.)

  • @james10739
    @james10739 2 місяці тому

    Ya the problem is lots of stuff have wall warts and would block 1 or 2 other outlets so it probably doesn't matter much unless you know what you are going to have plugged in and then you could just do a 2 gang with 2 receptacle

  • @unperrier5998
    @unperrier5998 Місяць тому

    Set gaps is arguable. I can argue the same with the design you love.

    • @JJFX-
      @JJFX- Місяць тому

      What downside to a spring style would you argue?

    • @unperrier5998
      @unperrier5998 Місяць тому

      @@JJFX- springs don't stay springy forever.

    • @JJFX-
      @JJFX- Місяць тому

      @@unperrier5998 Not really. When constrained it shouldn't deform enough in any relevant time frame to be a problem. I'll take a spring design over a fixed gap of thin metal any day. Especially since the prongs on electrical plugs can vary so having a mechanism to account for tolerance, wear and design choices is an obvious solution.

    • @unperrier5998
      @unperrier5998 Місяць тому

      @@JJFX-/videos first they're both think metals.
      You're probably right but this is a deeper analysis than the argument that the video make provided.
      I was pointing out that he was merely saying "it's better".
      You're right, it's a better design. But I think that prong tolerance isn't a factor though. They don't vary much.

  • @OweEyeSea
    @OweEyeSea 2 місяці тому +1

    Interesting concept. I was half expecting them to have each side fed by a different hot, allowing you to choose which phase to use for standard 120v. Or use a funky new plug to use both hots for 240v like it was a nema 6-15.

    • @SmallSpoonBrigade
      @SmallSpoonBrigade 2 місяці тому

      You'd need to connect this up to both phases though, which requires additional wires that probably won't be there if you're not using a proper 240v outlet.

    • @retrozmachine1189
      @retrozmachine1189 2 місяці тому

      Having two circuits supplying a single wall plate, even if it is a double socket, is a bad idea. Go to do work on it and not know of the arrangement and you turn off what you believe is the 120V breaker that isolates it and you still have 120V at the overall fitting. You could argue that you should only fit it to a 240V breaker so that both sides are turned off but I think most sparkies over there would rather jump off a roof than do that.

    • @cmmartti
      @cmmartti 2 місяці тому

      ​@@retrozmachine1189 You are clearly not an electrician. Duplex receptacles have the break-off tabs for a reason, and it's extremely common to connect the top and bottom recs. to different circuits (such as in kitchens) using a multi-wire branch circuit (MWBC). I believe it is a code requirement that any circuit breakers connected to a single device yoke must have tied breaker handles, which solves your safety concern.

    • @retrozmachine1189
      @retrozmachine1189 2 місяці тому

      ​@@cmmartti I am a qualified electrician just not in the USA. Connecting two circuits to a single wall plate is something you;ll find most countries avoid, it's not even physically possible with a lot of dual socket plates in most countries. I have to say I'm surprised it's allowed there.

    • @cmmartti
      @cmmartti 2 місяці тому

      @@retrozmachine1189 It's explicitly permitted. How else would you wire up the Leviton 5031-W (google it for an image), which is a duplex receptacle where the top receptacle is 120V and the bottom one is 240V? Or where one of the receptacles is switched (living rooms)? Or where load requirements demand more than 15A or 20A at a time (kitchens). Or where the top is a toggle switch and the bottom is a receptacle? These are all quite common situations that any electrician wouldn't even blink at.

  • @forbesiidu8233
    @forbesiidu8233 Місяць тому

    It would be nice to use it on two phases, also the soldered wire might be there for user to choose to use one phase or two phases. 3:47

  • @korgman2k7
    @korgman2k7 2 місяці тому

    What do you suggest for standard duplex outlets with tamper resistant plugs for children’s rooms? Commercial grade preferred but residential grade is acceptable.

  • @jstone1211
    @jstone1211 2 місяці тому +1

    what is the name of the imaging tool you mention for your iPhone...I could have used one of those this week....

    • @pchris6662
      @pchris6662 2 місяці тому +1

      It’s a FLIR infrared camera that works with iPhones. I’ve got one. They work pretty well, but they aren’t giving them away.

    • @jstone1211
      @jstone1211 2 місяці тому

      @@pchris6662 Thanks, I did a search and found a few. Yep, pricey.. but hey, its only $$...

  • @crazysquirrel9425
    @crazysquirrel9425 2 місяці тому

    For the same space, just install two outlets. If one fails, you still have the other. And you only have to replace the basic outlet instead of that expensive one.

  • @Sangueffusor
    @Sangueffusor 2 місяці тому +3

    At first glance I thought this was a triplex outlet. Would be a lot more interesting if it was.

  • @Only_Sleep
    @Only_Sleep 2 місяці тому +1

    Could this be used for a 240v outlet? Make a 4 pronged cable (2 hot, 1 neutral, one ground) to draw from the 2x 120v terminals

    • @pfcrow
      @pfcrow 2 місяці тому

      I was thinking the exact same thing. It would work exactly like that if you removed the connector between the two hot sides and connected the hot connectors to opposite phases. If only this could be a NEMA-defined outlet, it would be perfect for places where you might want 240v or 120v. But now that they've used it this way, that direction seems very unlikely.
      Oh, and for structural stability on using this as a 240v outlet, I would use both ground plugs wired together. Electrically, this should be the equivalent of a 14-20 outlet, I believe.

  • @aaron74
    @aaron74 2 місяці тому +1

    Not mentioned: It's going to need its own proprietary cover plate since the device is wider than standard decorator (Decora) devices. No, that product is a gimmick in my opinion. Its internals are not robust, and that jumper wire is shoddy. It's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
    Edit: Looking more closely... does it need its own plate? It seems wider but now I'm not so sure.

    • @harveylong5878
      @harveylong5878 2 місяці тому

      just like AFCI breakers. well those are problem creating more problems

  • @billyoung8118
    @billyoung8118 2 місяці тому

    This is the solution to a problem that very few people have.

  • @ARockRaider
    @ARockRaider 2 місяці тому

    while the build quality of this is a nonstarter, the idea of optional switched outlet for every outlet in the room is kinda neat.
    don't know if it would be worth much past that though.

  • @Mike__B
    @Mike__B 2 місяці тому

    Seeing that outlet is like seeing a picture of a person with 4 sets of eyes, it just makes your brain give up.

  • @needtoknowbasis5620
    @needtoknowbasis5620 2 місяці тому

    I am not an electrician, but at one time I research the ground up or down controversy and it said it was originally for medical uses. My theory is, if either way is to code, then either way is right. Do you think generally that as long as it's to code, it is mostly preference? I mean for all things, not just the ground.

  • @Danimal.69
    @Danimal.69 2 місяці тому

    It would be cool if it was three phase and a special adapter would convert the plugs

  • @The_Last_Question
    @The_Last_Question 2 місяці тому

    This would have sold a ton back when electronics had gigantic power bricks.

  • @bowdoin5063
    @bowdoin5063 2 місяці тому +137

    Solution for a problem that didn't exist

    • @jeffrbake
      @jeffrbake 2 місяці тому +36

      I would argue that this problem does in fact exist. I have run into an issue with wall bricks fitting for years.

    • @Sylusssss
      @Sylusssss 2 місяці тому +17

      Yea I want a power strip version of this
      Nothing more cursed than a workstation setup that needs 2 strips because the monitors have wall warts

    • @ryanlee3491
      @ryanlee3491 2 місяці тому +4

      Though it usually isn't that big of a problem, these are the ones that stick out where this can be a problem.
      Most power strips, most UPS/battery backup systems, or any cables that uses an angled connector that goes in one direction.

    • @jakewenzel7804
      @jakewenzel7804 2 місяці тому +1

      I was waiting for him to tell me why this wacky looking thing was useful

    • @jeffrbake
      @jeffrbake 2 місяці тому +1

      @@jakewenzel7804 because of wall warts...?

  • @MylesFenske
    @MylesFenske 2 місяці тому +3

    Interesting. This new receptacle looks wider than the standard receptacle. I assume it will need a new style cover plate for it?

    • @feildmaster
      @feildmaster 2 місяці тому +1

      It's a standard Decora size, leading towards why it's so garbage internally. There's no space for this to work properly

    • @JJFX-
      @JJFX- Місяць тому

      ​@@feildmasterThere's room to do this better, they're simply trying to keep material and manufacturing cost down.

  • @chaos.corner
    @chaos.corner 2 місяці тому +3

    What about shuttering? Isn't that required for new residential (maybe I heard wrong) in some locations?

    • @EverydayHomeRepairs
      @EverydayHomeRepairs  2 місяці тому

      That is correct, Tamper resistant outlets are required every location I have ran across. This one has the TR shutters built in 👍

    • @chaos.corner
      @chaos.corner 2 місяці тому

      @@EverydayHomeRepairs Does the shutter still work on the exposed hole when something is plugged in? That would be interesting to see how that works if so.

    • @andrewt9204
      @andrewt9204 2 місяці тому +1

      Tamper resistant is required for "accessible" outlets. So like the ones behind the fridge, microwave, ceiling mounted, etc. do not have to be. Not many exceptions anymore. When I finished my garage I put in TR for the inspection, then replaced those stupid things with regular afterwards. I don't have kids so I don't care. I've never found a TR outlet that doesn't suck.

  • @iankester-haney3315
    @iankester-haney3315 2 місяці тому +1

    Im just wondering how much space did it save? As opposed to using 2 receptacles with 1 on the switched circuit. The idea us neat, but probably impractical.

  • @richardgilson3512
    @richardgilson3512 2 місяці тому

    If it's in a spot where it doesn't get unplugged and replugged a lot It might be OK. I'm thinking behind the rolling counter that holds my microwave and provides service to a window fan in the summer. But TBH even in that application I don't need the up/down ground application as both my plugs don't block each other.

  • @markm0000
    @markm0000 2 місяці тому +1

    How about a normal outlet but just more space between them so you can fit bigger stuff if needed.

  • @RadioRich100
    @RadioRich100 2 місяці тому +2

    If its a bad idea he will show you how to do it.

  • @j10001
    @j10001 2 місяці тому +1

    Not needed. Everything is moving to USB-C, and we will have outlets with integrated USB-C ports for power. Wall warts will soon disappear.

  • @SteveStowell
    @SteveStowell 2 місяці тому +1

    Ground does not go up / down aka north/south as they go east/west always

  • @parmesan9761
    @parmesan9761 2 місяці тому

    Attaching that receptacle to your wall is like putting a Detonator on C4

  • @stevenosman1356
    @stevenosman1356 Місяць тому

    Thanks for this video. Does this ACTUALLY solve the ground up vs down debate? I've heard some folks argue that ground up is safer because if a 3 prong outlet comes a little loose and something conductive falls on it then it hits the ground prong first. By supporting both configurations this essentially guarantees that if there were a safety argument then it can be accidentally circumvented.
    In any case, lest I get flamed over saying that ground up is safer for the reason mentioned above (and what about poor ungrounded plugs?), again, I'm sharing opinions of others I've heard and they won't be satisfied that this solution solves the debate. They'd likely argue that this product makes it so that a safety conscious installer CANNOT do the right thing.

  • @DaHaiZhu
    @DaHaiZhu 2 місяці тому +7

    Personally, I could see a log of DIYers installing the LIDER wrong and tripping a breaker, or worse. And as for the Up-Down debate as well as plug-space issues as with wall-warts, just have the bottom socket with the ground down and the top socket with the ground up.

  • @jadoyon
    @jadoyon 2 місяці тому

    There isn't a debate about what side is up, the ground should be on the bottom otherwise the plugs fall out.

  • @user-ni7tg5fg9k
    @user-ni7tg5fg9k 2 місяці тому

    The person to design this new outlet must have Eyes are going opposite direction up and down😂

  • @stickyfox
    @stickyfox 2 місяці тому +1

    if mankind had ever been serious about this problem, we would have learned how to solve it long before RS232, USB, and all the other plugs that everyone just tries and then flips over because you can't tell the top from the bottom.

  • @dougadams9419
    @dougadams9419 2 місяці тому +2

    Just WHY? Only two outlets can be used at the same time.

  • @Sparkeycarp
    @Sparkeycarp 2 місяці тому

    So this receptacle is wider than a standard one. Aren't we close enough on metal boxes to the sides? How will that work in multi gang boxes? Now we have to have special plates? I already have too much to carry on my truck. Cant wait to see how many people just hook the black to the hot side on the right and a white to the other hot side.

  • @paulstubbs7678
    @paulstubbs7678 2 місяці тому

    Yuk, I've seen that type of 'socket' in power strips, they wear out super quick, plus they have very poor to no ability to accept a plug being inserted at an angle. The normal leaf type contact will guide it into place whereas the other the prong will tend to hit the edge of that folded out piece and easily damage it. I've seen a few power strips where the prong had hit that little folded out bit, the user sensed it stopping the plug going in, so they pushed harder and kind of mangled it, so not good.
    We had a few of these at church, they wore very quickly, and I could here them sparking etc (not to mention the noise in our sound system)

  • @jwhite4
    @jwhite4 2 місяці тому

    I was going to comment that, while an interesting device, if it needs a double-gang box, that will eliminate a lot of potential usage (~99% of outlets are probably in single-gang boxes). It was pointed out that it can fit in a single-gang box; it was just installed in double-gang for this demo.
    Which then makes me wonder, would that have affected the temperature measures?

  • @asakayosapro
    @asakayosapro 2 місяці тому

    Just get two normal 2plug outlets and flip the other one upside down. Easy.
    Wall wart power supply bricks? Plug in a power strip and deal with it.
    The real worry is with those plug blade slots with NO spring force. Just means that the bigger the blade jammed in, the looser it gets, and then when something thinner is jammed in, alas, it’s loose, sparky and becomes a fire hazard.

  • @tjlingram
    @tjlingram 2 місяці тому

    I like the design they just need to fix the contacts and it would be good.

  • @flowerpt
    @flowerpt 2 місяці тому +1

    Are you Project Farm's nephew? :)
    Seriously, though - solder for power distribution? It wouldn't be my first choice. Surges suck but copper and compression can handle them.
    I've interacted with the UL lab in the past and was disappointed.

    • @EverydayHomeRepairs
      @EverydayHomeRepairs  2 місяці тому

      Project Farm has a great channel. Love what he does 👍👍

  • @spencerjoplin2885
    @spencerjoplin2885 2 місяці тому

    In an alternate universe, we’d have dual voltage receptacles arranged like these, with devices connecting to one or both hots.

  • @tygrahof9268
    @tygrahof9268 2 місяці тому +1

    Can see someone trying to use both sides of one outlet...I can only see danger here. Also: How does this work with an Arc fault breaker??

  • @tedebayer1
    @tedebayer1 2 місяці тому

    I doubt the old power bar manufacturers will need to worry just yet.

  • @MrJpiarull
    @MrJpiarull 2 місяці тому +3

    I wouldn't trust that design for longevity - give me the traditional one you compared it to or Leviton hospital grade outlets and call it a day.

  • @sandracedar368
    @sandracedar368 2 місяці тому +5

    Hello from Florida

  • @punkboyblue
    @punkboyblue 2 місяці тому

    The switched outlet could solve an actual problem of having a 220/110 split outlet if you had a mutant cord that connected both hots and they were on opposing phases you'd get 220

  • @emmettturner9452
    @emmettturner9452 2 місяці тому

    Maybe I missed this: Does it fit a Decora wall-plate? I want to put it in a metal electrical box with conduit and a metal wall plate so the included wall plate won’t do.

  • @RCLapCar
    @RCLapCar 2 місяці тому +7

    Couple things. Are these tamper resistant? If not they are basically useless in 90% of locations. Also with a plug in is the other outside hole exposed? If so I can see that being a shock point even with a plug in it

    • @Eidolon1andOnly
      @Eidolon1andOnly 2 місяці тому +1

      The one exposed is the neutral side, has no power going to it. Still a potential hazard. Baby proofing options wouldn't work either.

    • @joewoodchuck3824
      @joewoodchuck3824 2 місяці тому +2

      How is it useless in 90% of locations by not being tamper resistant?

    • @RCLapCar
      @RCLapCar 2 місяці тому

      @@Eidolon1andOnly You can get shocked by a neutral if you become a shorter path to ground for the circuit.

    • @TofuInc
      @TofuInc 2 місяці тому

      Has the "TR" on it. Also has it in the model name.

    • @Eidolon1andOnly
      @Eidolon1andOnly 2 місяці тому

      @@RCLapCar Like I said, it's still a potential hazard.