They're most likely former Howser Clones, under a less green lighting scenario their armor is more teal than green. Also Howser recognizes Fireball immediately and calls him out by name when bust him out
The stun thing makes sense, stunned targets take ages to get up, they might as well be dead by the time the clones leave, that and the fact is the stun round has a much wider cone of attack, it's alot easier to hit targets than with actual blasts.
@@samuelclifford9972 and therefore its optimal for indoor close-range fighting, because you don't have to be as accurate...damn this sequence just gets better
@Mister_Matt exactly it really shows how more advanced the clone trooper was compared to the average storm trooper anything from problem solving to CQB the clone trooper was better a shame they went for the cheaper option
Additionally, if they murder a bunch of stormtroopers and officials while doing these rescues, they might get cracked down more by the empire. But if they report that everyone was stunned and the prisoners escaped, it doesn't warrant as much attention :P
Yeah, when the Clone Wars began, the Grand Army of the Republic was already combat veterans with ten years of intense training from the Mandalorians and Jango himself.
For all of the people whining about the clones not shooting to kill, I mean, throughout the series, both happens. You can't possibly watch this show and think its sanitized or "only bad guys kill".
That’s largely what it’s been though. The good guys set their blasters to stun while the bad guys are ruthless as heck. The only good guy who actually finishes the job is Saw Gerrera, but for some reason Disney tries to portray him as doing the wrong thing while fighting for good even though he is the most realistic character in the show.
The only reason why the Clones have stun is to avoid drawing a lot more heat from the Empire. For example would you focus more of your resources on thieves who steal money/supplies but kill your men or people who killed you soldiers ?
heard a theory that the clones do this because stun mode has a wider range of attack, makes sense given the context of being on a ship with small hallways
Although I'm very mixed about Clones not shooting to kill Storm troopers, it kinda makes sense 1. They were Republic civilians at one point. These clones fought for them. It would be weird for them to switch to kill the same people they fought to protect. Remember back to Howzer. 2. Shooting to stun instead of kill doesn't put the clones on the Empire's radar. They don't need more heat than they already have. Imagine a squad of troopers killed 100-200 storm troopers constantly. That would bring the likes of Vader to see to it personally that it ends.
Also it can just be more effective. I mean when you're using blaster bolts you really have to aim, but stun's pretty much one hit KO and very hard to miss with.
I love how proffesional and well trained the clones are. Notice how when the Remora (Echo's ship) comes out of hyperspace it immediately takes out Gozanti's hyperdrive engines, later attacking it swiftly from the stern and disabling the power to the ship's cannons - it shows just how well prepared and how elite the clones are.
I partly think the reason why some clones stun is because they see each other as living, breathing soldiers, not battle droids that can be turned off. The Clones were betrayed by the Empire, by their brothers over someone else's command, one they couldn't disobey otherwise they be executed for treason. The clones have seen so much war and aged so much that they can't help but respect other soldiers even if they're not clones. They certainly still Don't think too highly of them that's for sure but that isn't enough to kill a fellow soldier who's just following orders. "Good soldiers follow orders" is still a valid statement, the only problem with the phrase is who's giving the orders and every single clone has had that end of the stick.
Rex would do worst he would grab the officer by the neck and throw a couple punches to get some answers out of him even putting his pistol to the officers head forcing him to cooperate
I literally like don't care that the clones are mainly using stun, for me the fight scenes are still awesome Also people complain at SW for always killing stormtroopers who "are just doing their jobs" now they're complaining that they're not I for one am glad since it adds more recurring characters
It’s pretty cool seeing Gregor alive in the Clone Wars series but in the Lucas’s films it’s complete opposite and Gregor is killed by Yoda during Order 66.
Draa, Nemec and Fireball has fought in the 2nd Battle of Geonosis and Battle Of Kashyyyk alongside Commander Gree, Yoda, Luminara Unduli and Quinlan Vos
@@manuelgrothe608 I'm talking earlier in the war how they damaged their Chips for their heroics and when Order 66 was issued they saved their General again when their fellow Clones turn but sometime had pass since Order 66 they would of been killed if they were seen openly protecting Jedi
@@tdring10681she initially survived but was later taken into custody and later executed and then they used a hologram projection of her to lure other surviving Jedi to their death I think Trayvis was in on it he pretended to be a dissident senator to rally others to rebel to have them arrested for treason
Gotta say it really stood out to me that the officer used the suicide pill. I mean the brainwashed clone assassin from earlier in the season was understandable, but an early imperial officer...those guys have self preservation like no one else.
I like how the Empire has almost two extremes with their personnel: You either get an ambitious but cowardly, selfish and self-serving person who'd sacrifice their own troops in a second if it meant their own survival, or the most fanatically loyal person who would be more than willing to kill themselves and everyone around them if it meant denying enemies even the smallest victories over the Empire.
@@firetools Think it can also be read at how effective Hemlock is at terrifying his subordinates. Like they'd rather go out quick than deal with him after failing.
Draa, Nemec and Fireball fought in the Battle of Kashyyyk, alongside Luminars Unduli, Yoda and Quinlan Vos in Tales of The Jedi, The Bad Batch seasons 2-3 with flashbacks from The Mandaldorian, The Book of Boba Fett and Ashoka seasons 2-4
Also I love the fact that they don’t have the weapons set on lethal so everyone of those troopers is going to wake up knowing that they just survived facing off against a clone trooper
I would love a whole series of clone spec ops missions like this. I have warmed up to omega a lot but I feel like the Bad Batch cant do stuff like this while watching out for omega.
0:29 This isn't the first time we've seen or heard a clone referred to by the name "Fireball" in the Disney canon. Commander Doom referred to one of his company with the same name in the Star Wars The Clone Wars Season 6 Episode 1 " The Unknown" see the 0:28 in the following video link ua-cam.com/video/yEDPDpjALvU/v-deo.html The colour and markings of his armour also look similar so he's probably from the same battalion. I love how they're simultaneously doing obscure call-backs whilst developing extremely minor characters from past SW content.
i have 4 idea why they do that: 1: clones have better experience about fighting in ships and they may dont want to damage something 2: the stun blast is a wide circle so it could be a better choice in such a tight places 3: both 4: mercy
Another comment pointed it out. This show feels like star wars rebels but just skinned with the clone wars art style. Not shooting to kill? It feels out of character for the clones, especially since they had no qualms about killing Umbarans. Faceless tk-troopers? Nope shoot to shock. It might just be me but it takes me out of the show when these hardened veterans jarringly go to a “no kill” policy because the Disney target audience is children. It makes me appreciate the original clone wars series because it had balls to treat its audience (children) with maturity on what a “star war” could plausibly look like.
I don’t think it’s the Disney policy to shoot to shock. As you can see carefully in season 1 and 2 the bad batch only wants to shoot to shock because they don’t want to gun down their fellow clone brothers that they served together during the war. Any other enemies they do shoot to kill
@@Obi7Haki Only problem with that is they regularly stun stormtroopers that I assume are recruits and not clones. With the exception of Crosshair... because Crosshair.
The clones don't see themselves at war. Their task was to liberate the prisoners, not ruthlessly kill the new troops. That would draw too much heat on them if they appear as rogues killing recruits. At least that is how the Empire would see it as rather than rogues freeing their kind. It's messy, I know, but subtlety makes all the difference.
@@SocalCoyote Good point, one hand it attracts less attention, other hand its odd for thieves in the eyes of the empire to purposely limit it to 0 casualties and to be principled. Something tarkin noticed about rebels in season 1, same with the clones here. I guess overall it means less resources to bother searching for them and less anger as killing them would only motivate the empire to one up them.
@@SocalCoyote That and also since they currently have no one financially backing them, wouldn't stunning also be cheaper as a way to ration live rounds for when they're more useful?
Dunno if it got addressed but does setting blasters to stun help in ammo conservation? It would make sense considering the Clones don’t have the backing of the republic anymore
All these conservative disney haters out here complaining about clones not shooting to kill. That makes clones the bigger men. Not weak. Also aren’t y’all about protecting children blabla
It’s not realistic or logical, especially given how ruthless the clones were during the Clone Wars. And the show wasn’t meant to be exclusively for children, but for all audiences. And this has nothing to do with politics, simply stupid to dumb down the violence when the hood guys do it. In the real world, no one “shoots to stun”. It’s a cold world, and children should learn that so they don’t grow up to be soft entitled brats like the current generations.
sorry but this is one of the few times i will say dave filoni did wrong by the show , star wars and fans. not every clone needed to die. nemec and fireball didnt need to die
It’s to add weight and consequences to the situation. Clone numbers are dwindling as it is, and it’s a war. Too many miraculous escapes take away the tension, weight and consequences of fighting in a war. It’s hard to take a war seriously when there’s no casualties, isn’t it?
i’ve never seen anyone use stuns like this before, is disney just so dumb that the only way they can make the clones look more like good guys is by not killing?
I guess it’s easier to have the empire get off your back if you’re not killing a bunch of their soldiers and officers, and raiding their ships. My only thought here.
Bad Batch should have neen more focused on before order 66. Jow they met Cody snd dome if their missions with him. Also after order 66 episodes like this. No offense but the Omega female clone storyline didnt make sense . It just felt like filler episodes. They slso make the Bad Batch who were cool commandos ( who we met in the Clone Wars ) a parody of their former selves. We ddint need Omega, theu already had enough material going forward. Just my opinion.
And just like that we lost Nemec and Fireball.
Rest In Peace fellas.
I wish we got to see more of them 😭
F
the tragedy continues, there is no happy ending….
Yup they made them so OP in this episode then had them get sniped like nothing
RIP
Nemec and Fireball look like they’re former 41st Elite Corps. Fascinating.
Ig they are
They’re in the recent episodes
@@dizzycat3922😔
Probably Howser's battalion
They're most likely former Howser Clones, under a less green lighting scenario their armor is more teal than green. Also Howser recognizes Fireball immediately and calls him out by name when bust him out
Echo: this is better than doing odd jobs for Cid
Well, Echo is the last ARC trooper, so he was definitely leading a squad in rescuing Howzer.
@@EagleFangBasketball22rex también es soldado ARC😅😅y Gregor es comando Clon de élite 😅
Damn, i hate that trandoshan
Damn, no one talking about Fireball kicking a carbine up into his hand at 1:09?
Dude has style.
Felt like an episode of Star Wars rebels. Good to see the clones fighting back.
the clones wants their pension mostly
Yeah same ship they always seemed to invade aswell
RIP Fireball and Nemec.
especially Fireball. Went out the way his name implied.😢
Even though he might be harrd to convince. Anyone else wish they brought the commando with them?
Okay since yeah they are more stubborn but I think with a bit of convincing they could sway him
@@jasonkeane133And they don’t have this suicidal teeth artifact, probably
@@TEX474 Most likely not, I think it's only for imperial officers
@@jasonkeane133bounty hunter's had it as well
The stun thing makes sense, stunned targets take ages to get up, they might as well be dead by the time the clones leave, that and the fact is the stun round has a much wider cone of attack, it's alot easier to hit targets than with actual blasts.
And it takes less gas than the full laser bolt, so it’s a way to conserve ammo too
Its like having a shotgun compared to everyone's else's rifles @thatcarguydom266
@@samuelclifford9972 and therefore its optimal for indoor close-range fighting, because you don't have to be as accurate...damn this sequence just gets better
@Mister_Matt exactly it really shows how more advanced the clone trooper was compared to the average storm trooper anything from problem solving to CQB the clone trooper was better a shame they went for the cheaper option
Additionally, if they murder a bunch of stormtroopers and officials while doing these rescues, they might get cracked down more by the empire. But if they report that everyone was stunned and the prisoners escaped, it doesn't warrant as much attention :P
Them storm troopers are no match for the clones they were trained by the best
Yeah, when the Clone Wars began, the Grand Army of the Republic was already combat veterans with ten years of intense training from the Mandalorians and Jango himself.
For all of the people whining about the clones not shooting to kill, I mean, throughout the series, both happens. You can't possibly watch this show and think its sanitized or "only bad guys kill".
That’s largely what it’s been though. The good guys set their blasters to stun while the bad guys are ruthless as heck. The only good guy who actually finishes the job is Saw Gerrera, but for some reason Disney tries to portray him as doing the wrong thing while fighting for good even though he is the most realistic character in the show.
I didn't care I actually loved it even though Those weren't their fellow Clones
The only reason why the Clones have stun is to avoid drawing a lot more heat from the Empire. For example would you focus more of your resources on thieves who steal money/supplies but kill your men or people who killed you soldiers ?
I suspect that they're going for stun because they don't want to accidentally dome one of their own guys.
@@Spudtron98 yeah at this point I don't think they knew how many of the early storm troopers could have still been clones in different armor
this hits different after watching episode 6 & 7 in season 3
If I were the clones I wouldn't have been stunning them S.TROOPERS
heard a theory that the clones do this because stun mode has a wider range of attack, makes sense given the context of being on a ship with small hallways
@@Elijahlikechickenor because it’s a kids show lmao
@@josephtillitson9890 no shit. it’s called a theory. Do you know what theory means?
@@josephtillitson9890like we didn't just see a dude pop his Space-Cyanide Capsule
@@Elijahlikechicken whatever keeps those gears rollin in your brain lmfao
Although I'm very mixed about Clones not shooting to kill Storm troopers, it kinda makes sense
1. They were Republic civilians at one point. These clones fought for them. It would be weird for them to switch to kill the same people they fought to protect. Remember back to Howzer.
2. Shooting to stun instead of kill doesn't put the clones on the Empire's radar. They don't need more heat than they already have. Imagine a squad of troopers killed 100-200 storm troopers constantly. That would bring the likes of Vader to see to it personally that it ends.
Plus, it cuts costs since I imagine that they aren't doing these jobs for money.
Also it can just be more effective. I mean when you're using blaster bolts you really have to aim, but stun's pretty much one hit KO and very hard to miss with.
@@jaohonaxathen why does every soldier just shoot instead? Stun seems so op
@localmilfchaser6938 because it's short range and it doesn't kill. Also stun only works on some people as shown that it can be resisted
I always wanted to see Stormtroopers vs Clones
and Clone Rebellion
Thank you Bad Batch
You can see how much the officer was shaking lmao
Loved how The Clones only used Stun
Apparently it was for a strategic advantage due to it being a donut shape instead of a slim bolt
I'm so relieved that Echo and his squad were able to rescue Howzer and his surviving squad. Thank god they were saved from heading to Tantiss.
I love how proffesional and well trained the clones are. Notice how when the Remora (Echo's ship) comes out of hyperspace it immediately takes out Gozanti's hyperdrive engines, later attacking it swiftly from the stern and disabling the power to the ship's cannons - it shows just how well prepared and how elite the clones are.
I partly think the reason why some clones stun is because they see each other as living, breathing soldiers, not battle droids that can be turned off. The Clones were betrayed by the Empire, by their brothers over someone else's command, one they couldn't disobey otherwise they be executed for treason. The clones have seen so much war and aged so much that they can't help but respect other soldiers even if they're not clones. They certainly still Don't think too highly of them that's for sure but that isn't enough to kill a fellow soldier who's just following orders.
"Good soldiers follow orders" is still a valid statement, the only problem with the phrase is who's giving the orders and every single clone has had that end of the stick.
Not to mention that the stormtroopers were people of the Republic, the ones the clones swore to protect.
1:36 Brock Samson: Come on. Why do they issue poison teeth to you guys? That's cheap.
Damn the Armors Color sheme of Fireball and Nemec i Love it
Nemecs voice deep and threatening
Rex would do worst he would grab the officer by the neck and throw a couple punches to get some answers out of him even putting his pistol to the officers head forcing him to cooperate
@@haydenfowle7576I actually think that seems more like Howzer than Rex due to the recent episodes
I literally like don't care that the clones are mainly using stun, for me the fight scenes are still awesome
Also people complain at SW for always killing stormtroopers who "are just doing their jobs" now they're complaining that they're not
I for one am glad since it adds more recurring characters
Stun mode also saves ammo rather than kill mode tbh since they consume less. From what ive seen
They really made the sickest clone designs for secondary clones that are shown for like, 5 minutes
It’s pretty cool seeing Gregor alive in the Clone Wars series but in the Lucas’s films it’s complete opposite and Gregor is killed by Yoda during Order 66.
Draa, Nemec and Fireball has fought in the 2nd Battle of Geonosis and Battle Of Kashyyyk alongside Commander Gree, Yoda, Luminara Unduli and Quinlan Vos
I bet Nemec and Fireball had damaged Chips after pushing their General out of Separatist Fire
@@haydenfowle7576 during the beach battle of Kashyyyk, yes, to that’s how Quinlan Vos and Luminara Unduli Survived Operation 66
@@manuelgrothe608 I'm talking earlier in the war how they damaged their Chips for their heroics and when Order 66 was issued they saved their General again when their fellow Clones turn but sometime had pass since Order 66 they would of been killed if they were seen openly protecting Jedi
@@manuelgrothe608 do weknow that luminara survived order 66? I dont remember any mention of her between order 66 and her appearance in rebels
@@tdring10681she initially survived but was later taken into custody and later executed and then they used a hologram projection of her to lure other surviving Jedi to their death I think Trayvis was in on it he pretended to be a dissident senator to rally others to rebel to have them arrested for treason
Echo looks weird without his Kama
Now this is a show I would watch! Clones liberating other clones!
Gotta say it really stood out to me that the officer used the suicide pill. I mean the brainwashed clone assassin from earlier in the season was understandable, but an early imperial officer...those guys have self preservation like no one else.
I like how the Empire has almost two extremes with their personnel: You either get an ambitious but cowardly, selfish and self-serving person who'd sacrifice their own troops in a second if it meant their own survival, or the most fanatically loyal person who would be more than willing to kill themselves and everyone around them if it meant denying enemies even the smallest victories over the Empire.
@@firetools Think it can also be read at how effective Hemlock is at terrifying his subordinates. Like they'd rather go out quick than deal with him after failing.
Nice to see more clones defect from the empire
Draa, Nemec and Fireball fought in the Battle of Kashyyyk, alongside Luminars Unduli, Yoda and Quinlan Vos in Tales of The Jedi, The Bad Batch seasons 2-3 with flashbacks from The Mandaldorian, The Book of Boba Fett and Ashoka seasons 2-4
Mandalorian host. Mandalorian clones.
Hehe sounds like
We have mandalorians on board
RIP boys.
Damn space age suicide pills.
Also I love the fact that they don’t have the weapons set on lethal so everyone of those troopers is going to wake up knowing that they just survived facing off against a clone trooper
Clone Troopers rule! I would be Commander Doom!
Seeing other clone....no not clone, family still live a other day makes me feel better.
Ridiculous how the only thing the command trooper do is take to more additional shot that miss, than get shot two times and be down.
I would love a whole series of clone spec ops missions like this. I have warmed up to omega a lot but I feel like the Bad Batch cant do stuff like this while watching out for omega.
I hope bad batch s3 gonna explain echo's fate and how rex, gregor, and wolfie going to be together
Gregor is the only badass clone commando left
True. He's the only good clone commando left.
fireball lol
did Gregor survive? I thought he died...
TCW S5 and TBB S1
He died in rebels so he has plot armor until then
0:29 This isn't the first time we've seen or heard a clone referred to by the name "Fireball" in the Disney canon. Commander Doom referred to one of his company with the same name in the Star Wars The Clone Wars Season 6 Episode 1 " The Unknown" see the 0:28 in the following video link ua-cam.com/video/yEDPDpjALvU/v-deo.html
The colour and markings of his armour also look similar so he's probably from the same battalion.
I love how they're simultaneously doing obscure call-backs whilst developing extremely minor characters from past SW content.
All those stunned stormtroopers died anyway lmao. Might as well have used lethal instead of stun
i have 4 idea why they do that:
1: clones have better experience about fighting in ships and they may dont want to damage something
2: the stun blast is a wide circle so it could be a better choice in such a tight places
3: both
4: mercy
It's like the Venator crash Rex and Ahsoka used non lethal take downs only for all the Clones in the Venator to get killed anyway
@@mun-grohiik420plus The Clones killing TKs will put them on the Empires radars
Another comment pointed it out. This show feels like star wars rebels but just skinned with the clone wars art style. Not shooting to kill? It feels out of character for the clones, especially since they had no qualms about killing Umbarans. Faceless tk-troopers? Nope shoot to shock. It might just be me but it takes me out of the show when these hardened veterans jarringly go to a “no kill” policy because the Disney target audience is children. It makes me appreciate the original clone wars series because it had balls to treat its audience (children) with maturity on what a “star war” could plausibly look like.
I don’t think it’s the Disney policy to shoot to shock. As you can see carefully in season 1 and 2 the bad batch only wants to shoot to shock because they don’t want to gun down their fellow clone brothers that they served together during the war. Any other enemies they do shoot to kill
@@Obi7Haki Only problem with that is they regularly stun stormtroopers that I assume are recruits and not clones. With the exception of Crosshair... because Crosshair.
The clones don't see themselves at war. Their task was to liberate the prisoners, not ruthlessly kill the new troops. That would draw too much heat on them if they appear as rogues killing recruits. At least that is how the Empire would see it as rather than rogues freeing their kind.
It's messy, I know, but subtlety makes all the difference.
@@SocalCoyote Good point, one hand it attracts less attention, other hand its odd for thieves in the eyes of the empire to purposely limit it to 0 casualties and to be principled. Something tarkin noticed about rebels in season 1, same with the clones here. I guess overall it means less resources to bother searching for them and less anger as killing them would only motivate the empire to one up them.
@@SocalCoyote That and also since they currently have no one financially backing them, wouldn't stunning also be cheaper as a way to ration live rounds for when they're more useful?
Dunno if it got addressed but does setting blasters to stun help in ammo conservation? It would make sense considering the Clones don’t have the backing of the republic anymore
probably also avoids building up too much heat but that’s just speculating. Maybe Stun actually don’t use the gas at all but some sort of battery?
All these conservative disney haters out here complaining about clones not shooting to kill. That makes clones the bigger men. Not weak. Also aren’t y’all about protecting children blabla
It’s not realistic or logical, especially given how ruthless the clones were during the Clone Wars. And the show wasn’t meant to be exclusively for children, but for all audiences. And this has nothing to do with politics, simply stupid to dumb down the violence when the hood guys do it. In the real world, no one “shoots to stun”. It’s a cold world, and children should learn that so they don’t grow up to be soft entitled brats like the current generations.
Typical Disney manchild.
Right the clones had executed order 66 to eliminate the jedi order.
@@bullmoosevelt4495 bullmoosevelt is a very fitting name for this comment
Clones are better and skilled
What Episode is this
What episode and Szn is this?
Season 2 EP 14
Wonder what there ship is called
I don’t understand what Gregor had to do, like does he just stay in the ship ? If so, why is he docked to the imperial ship ?
Why is Commander Gree there?
Only thing I hated was the stunning. Why on stormtroopers smh. We all understand stunning the clones. Stop being soft Disney.
It illustrates an interesting dichotomy with the clones & storm troopers.
@@matiasmartinez7201 ya got tht part. Clone wars wasn’t like tht. They made em soft.
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sorry but this is one of the few times i will say dave filoni did wrong by the show , star wars and fans. not every clone needed to die. nemec and fireball didnt need to die
It’s to add weight and consequences to the situation. Clone numbers are dwindling as it is, and it’s a war. Too many miraculous escapes take away the tension, weight and consequences of fighting in a war.
It’s hard to take a war seriously when there’s no casualties, isn’t it?
I liked the show but I hated the stun mode BS there trying to activity kill bad batch just use lethal shots
i’ve never seen anyone use stuns like this before, is disney just so dumb that the only way they can make the clones look more like good guys is by not killing?
I guess it’s easier to have the empire get off your back if you’re not killing a bunch of their soldiers and officers, and raiding their ships.
My only thought here.
@@kinocorner976Plus the stun shots have a far wider firing arc than a standard shot. Quite handy for close quarters.
*Sees the bad batch wipe half a battalion of TK troopers in the next episode*
Bad Batch should have neen more focused on before order 66. Jow they met Cody snd dome if their missions with him. Also after order 66 episodes like this. No offense but the Omega female clone storyline didnt make sense . It just felt like filler episodes. They slso make the Bad Batch who were cool commandos ( who we met in the Clone Wars ) a parody of their former selves. We ddint need Omega, theu already had enough material going forward. Just my opinion.
Imagine killing your self to protect an empire that couldn’t care less if you died or sacrificed yourself for them. Smh