They say “look at the evidence” but then ignore geological evidence that places the actual events (which no one disputes) as taking place hundreds of years earlier. This is the problem. Faith does not require one to be willfully ignorant in order to support it. Truth is truth.
Faith is an excuse of having no evidence. Support faith? What the hell is that? Truth is predicted on facts. Facts are predicated on evidence and their peer review corroboration. The bible provide little to no evidence of the the existence of any timeline. And who cares? The is no evidence that the Jesus person ever existed. There is no evidence of the biblical god. It can be shown if you cretins had open minds that the god of the bible is a composite character made from much older deities. Don't like it? Tough. That is truth. Suck it up dude and get a life outside the f*cking bible.
@@danielvazquez7482 The bible tells you to prove all things: 1 Thessalonians 5:21. Xianity is lie. Showing you an error and you feel compelled to give me a smartass retort. Rude, arrogant, unrighteous displaying you to be as filthy rags Isaiah 64: 6 - 8. Demonstrating bitterness, rage, and anger: Be kind and compassionate: Ephesians 4:31-32. I am not you enemy. Instead you are mine. I have told you no lies. However, you spread one that many are using - not for the betterment of human kind, but for power and wealth. With this power many want to put LBGT people, atheists - others to death - with your inability to be Christ like, you show yourself to potentially be one of their followers. You have shown that you are easily provoked. I wonder if you have already harm others in the name of the imaginary characters of the bible that are not exactly as you wish to force them to be. So very, very sad.
"Faith does not require one to be willfully ignorant in order to support it" One cannot serve two masters. If I am working out of faith, I am ready to take numerous shortcuts and lack of evidence is no problem. Believers twist events to fit into their narrative, while the scientific takes the other way around.
Atrocities? Nephilim destruction , feeding babies to spirits…Yah draws a distinction between clean and unclean, sacred and profane. These distinctions relate to the commandments of Yah.
(19 September 2023, 10:40 a.m.) Currently 1530 BC is a popular date for the expulsion of the Hyksos. This date does not align with a circa 1446 BC date for the Exodus based on 1 Kings 6:1 mention of 480 years from Exodus to the building of Solomon's Temple. Not very well known to many, however, two Egyptologists, who identify themselves as Christian Apologists, Professors James K. Hoffmeier and Kenneth A. Kitchen, independent of each other, toted up the number of years of rule from Joshua, the Judges, Saul, David, and Solomon, and concluded the Bible erred! It was not 480 years from the Exodus to the Temple's building by Solomon, it was over 600+ years! This 600+ years aligned the Exodus with the Hyksos period of Egypt! Despite this extraordinary finding, both Hoffmeier and Kitchen, then trashed this Hyksos alignment, opting for a 1260 BC Exodus based on the mention of a store city called Ramesses, built by the Israelites, which, for them is the city of Pi-Ramesses of Pharaoh Ramesses II.
Its hard to fathom such a place as Heaven and Hell but even from the existence of time there was revelation to and revealed through the spirit there was something more happening than what one could experience in the physical.
I mean... it's not an either-or here. The truth is the truth, there is plenty of evidence for much of what is said in the bible, but there is also plenty of evidence for additions, changes, and adaptations over time. This evidence quite clearly lines up with the cultural influences that the Israelites were exposed to... The people who want to disprove it don't look at what *is* true about the archeology because they don't care or aren't curious. The people who want to prove Biblical things also don't look at what's *true* because they're working from an idea that the scriptures are more accurate than the evidence refuting parts of the narrative. The truth is somewhere in between.
You can't even type an actual sentence correctly... what makes you think you are accurately reading a text where an exiled dude wrote his own fan-fiction predicting Rome to fall like Babylon (Revelations)?
@@thomasmyers9128 Do you read the your Bible in such a disingenuous way also, and make assumptions about meaning where there isn't one? What about my neutral, fact-based statements lead you to believe that *I am* having a bad day?
@@thomasmyers9128 Nah, days in my life are pretty great because I don't believe that God is some magic sky-wizard, nor do I think we live in the so-called "End Times" according to the most ridiculous book in the Bible. Thanks, I hope your life is great despite those views! I know there is no need to respond to a public comment on a public comment section, but that's what makes them great, it's a choice! Love ya!
The historical events in the Bible don’t require faith. It’s god’s involvement that requires faith. Why would the Israelites make up a story about them being enslaved by Egyptians for no reason?
3:07 With some caution, it seems that 480 years in III Kings 6:1 is a minimum - if you add up numbers from Acts 13, you get 570 years before King David died, and then 11 more before the Temple. If we add up figures from end of Joshua, and from Judges, I get 567 years for King David's death if I use Acts 13 for the reign of Saul, _or_ 519, if I conclude he reigned 2 years, according to one statement in I Kings (I Samuel), so 530 - the distance the Roman Martyrology for Christmas day has, when you have _King David's anointing_ 480 years after the Exodus (1510 and 1032 BC). Taking Ramses II as the pharao of the Exodus is a huge no no. Supposing King David was anointed 1032, died 992, adding then 567 gives you Exodus in 1557 BC. Add even more time for undetermined time Juda fought Canaanites after Joshua's death, and even more for "And all that generation was gathered to their fathers: and there arose others that knew not the Lord, and the works which he had done for Israel." and even more for Samuel's rule. That would put Exodus close on 1600 BC.
To be clear - I did include Samson's 20 years into the 40 Philistine years, because it explicitly says so. I did not include the next Judge's 20 years into the 40 Philistine years, because it doesn't say so. If I did, this would reduce things by 20 years, but not to _only_ 480 years.
Using Judges I get 496 years from the end of Joshua until the dedication of Solomon's temple. As you point out there is missing data in Judges. It is not known what Joshua's age was at any point in the Exodus or Conquest. There are no years given for Shamgar. Then the length that Saul ruled is not known. Tying it to different events leads to contradictions. Was it 2 years or 7.5 years or 20 years or 40 years? What's more archeology conflicts with scripture. That Beth-Shean and Megiddo were still in Egyptian hands until 1140-1130 BC making Deborah and Barak's timeline later. Also, an ostraca of Gideon Jerubbaal was dated to 1100 BC. This pushes all the subsequent Judges even later. Scott Stripling an early exodus date advocate says Cushan-Rishathaim was Mitanni. According to him this proves the early exodus date because Mitanni ended in 1350BC. So Othniel was essentially defending Amenhotep III's or Akhenaten's Retjenu. My man!
@@501Mobius _"496 years from the end of Joshua until the dedication of Solomon's temple."_ _"It is not known what Joshua's age was at any point in the Exodus or Conquest. There are no years given for Shamgar. Then the length that Saul ruled is not known."_ Most correct. I'd say Saul's duration was 2 years as a decent king and 40 years as a ruler, even after losing God's grace. _"What's more archeology conflicts with scripture. That Beth-Shean and Megiddo were still in Egyptian hands until 1140-1130 BC making Deborah and Barak's timeline later."_ Or earlier. How long after the Conquest were Deborah and Barak? The Conquest, if you ask me, was in 1470 BC. Plus how real or how nominally was that. _"Also, an ostraca of Gideon Jerubbaal was dated to 1100 BC."_ What if the date is off?
@@hglundahl I have made two timelines. The sequential one starts in 1446 BC. I have a concurrent Judges timeline where more than one Judge can serve at a time, but in different regions. In a 1446 timeline Deborah and Barak would start in 1190 BC. The ostraca of Gideon Jerubbaal was dated by carbon dating and ceramics so it is pretty close to 1100 BC.
@@hglundahl One person I read makes a good case for Saul's reign to be under 20 years because the ark was at Abinadab's house before Saul was made king. It was there 20 years until David took it from there and brought it to Jerusalem.
If there is a bias against it, perhaps it's at least partly because for a very long time there was a strong bias for it. For generations the entire point of biblical archeology was to find evidence proving biblical stories.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
How can it be academically accurate when they use the Bible itself, using an error of a Christian in the 19th century who miss labeled the Pharaoh. Use the Bible, in err, to date Egypt and the entire middle east, with a gap that fits non of them, to disprove the Bible. That is no academically honest.
The DSS show the Exodus at about the time frame of 1450 BC. Taking into account the writings in Jubilees and Jasher. What we have in our mainstream canon is "Clift Note" or "Readers Digest" version. Our Bibles are truth but one needs to do their part to study and seek out "the rest of the story". It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, and the honor of kings to search it out. Seek and you will find.
The Bible was written by mere faillible men around the captivity in Babylon, not by the lightning/fingers of god himself. Contemporary scripture about these times have some historical value, but the Pentateuch, for exemple, is entirely metaphoric myth.
There will always be and have been scoffers of a God that is, was, and will be. The only time they grasp the reality of the spirit realm is when they die then realize its too late and its revealed what is about to happen.
North America - Clovis man was the oldest , that's it ! We are done !! Ummm UNTIL they dug deeper ! Same ole Same ole. To the archaeologists , just keep digging would ya ? There is much to uncover!
If we look at the history of archeology, we find that the archeologists were very much focused on haing it recognized as science. As “hard” a science as possible. So religion had no space there. There’s a sort of embarrassment in archeology about how their 18th and 19th century founding fathers just believed the Bible and the classics and went in and made astounding discoveries. Also deeply troubling to academia, is that those founding fathers were often self-taught, or in other fields. Schliemann, the German businessman who found Troy despite the popular opinions of his day that it didn’t exist, didn’t have any kind of university degree at all.
Even by proving a correct dating fir the Biblical Hebrew Narrative, this does not imply that people NOW will have to change their theological beliefs. To i ply this is a form of Hubris.
The fact is that there has been a huge bias FOR a biblical historical record. It is only recently that these biblical scholars have been held to any scientific accountability.
11:37 - so to understand what he just said - because people believe it’s true and it contains the words of God… we need to be skeptical, if we didn’t believe it to be true than we could take it more serious and literal… 🤔 “How ignorant is that statement?” 15:31 - and this is a huge problem with how the story of Exodus is told… mainstream academia wants to tell you that because many years after the “Exodus” that the story was told about a people that lived in the area of the city of Ramses were the “Israelites”… then they say “Ramses” was the Pharaoh of the Exodus!… but this is clearly not the case… it is like as if today someone talking about the Native American people that live in the Los Angeles valley and future people equating it to the time of Joe Biden, simply because the story was told today… even though they have not lived there for 300 years before the stories were told about them… that’s the difference between the “city of Ramses” and “Avaris”. Like the “Valley of Somke” as the Native American called it and “Los Angeles”… put a little cognitive reasoning into the equation and gain a little clarity, it’s truly not very difficult.
Good comparison. Even if there will be no recorded evidence of Joe in the future. I mean, probably some few fragments explaining how just before the destruction of the American Empire we had an Alzheimer in the White House, but other than that not much else worthy of note.
I believe the monogod as portrayed in the Bible is perfectly capable of committing the atrocities done in his name or direct agency. That assumes the monogod exists despite the lack of evidence for it being.
If there is no God, then there is no moral law. Morality then, is subjective. Thus YOUR definition of "atrocity" is merely your own. But in the minds of others, it's perfectly acceptable to dispose of whoever they need to for their own benefit, pleasure, sport, entertainment, and survival. Without God.... we have utter anarchy! They ONLY reason your limited mind even looks at the events of the Bible as "atrocious" is because MURDER, RAPE and other crimes on humanity were deemed UNACCEPTABLE by God FIRST and often had hefty consequences executed by his own hand (Sodom and Gamorrah) or by others under his direction (wicked nations wiped out by their enemies). God gave us a moral law and there were hefty consequences for breaking it. And we don't get to tell the giver of that law that he's "atrocious" for doling out judgement and sentences on law Breakers. That's like you make rules for your child, who breaks them, then when you punish them, they call you an abusive controlling maniac. Pfft🙄 YOUR rules are for their own good over the LONG RUN. No different with mankind. The bad apples were destroyed in order to preserve the good ones to be born in the future and to prevent corruption of those that were good. And to protect the good ones from bad acts of the evil ones. Your perspective is sorely limited in comparison to God's.
The Biblical historians, using imprecise dating have gotten themselves into the negative bias they protest. Such as by claiming that the Exodus was in 1450 BCE. Whereas there is a greater possibility for such an event happening in 1550 BCE this date can eliminate all the contradictions that archeologists and other historians have posed. Even if it shows that while things may have been attributed to the Hebrew God, that they were natural events. Only intense study can offer correlations between archeological evidence and perceived historical dating of biblical tales. One historical event purported to be with Hebrew involvement is the battle of Jericho. Under Biblical historians, this would have to be Circa 1400BCE. Archeological digs at Jericho, have been dated the destruction to to Circa 1500 BCE. A hundred year difference and by using the Egyptian chronology Circa 1500 BCE is the dating for Ahmose driving the Hyksos out if Egypt and expanding Egyptian control to the border with the Hittites. So by chasing the Hyksos into the Levant, Jericho would easily be a stronghold where Hyksos could obtain assistance and therefore would need to be destroyed. Given that the recent announcement if a lead tablet having bern found on Mt. Ebal, where Joshua was commanded to curse the enemies, there is no compelling reason that the Hebrews and the Dynastic Pharaoh’s troops could not fight together against a common enemy. The only problem comes from the Biblical historians Exodus does not name the a”Pharaoh” that enslaved the Hebrews. Only that then “there was a Pharaoh that did not know of Joseph”. From Circa 1750 BCE with the Hyksos incursion, lower Egypt had two Pharaohs. The dynastic one and a Hyksos one. Which one is mire likely to not know of Joseph?
@@ryancairns2099 in that Biblical archeologists insist that the Egyptian chronology is in error to suit their beliefs and try to force unbroken records to be changed, is a greater evidence that when the old testament was being written by a committee, as is confirmed by Hebrew Linguists, to have occurred during the Babylonian Exile Circa 535 BCE. And that it can be proven that many people and place names were written so that their current audience could understand and that much was transmitted orally before being inscribed. That errors creep inis more understandable. Play the kid’s gam3 of telephone and listen to how the message changes. Since the events such as the Exodus would have occurred 900-1,000 years prior to being inscribed, that errors crept in especially with regards to numbering dates. They did not date events as we do Even in Egypt things were counted by a method of “ in the third year of the king’s reign “.. By working backwards from known dates into the various reigns of Egyptian Pharaohs, a more comprehensive picture of history can be ascertained. It is better than believing that the scribes were taking dictation from a computer memory bank. Ot that Moses was doing so in writing Leviticus and Deuteronomy ? Mist biblical archeologists have restricted their work to Israel an nothing from Egypt other than what archeologists from the late 19- early 20th Century,much of which has been disproven. Rather than as some have tried to assert, that the Exodus never happened, in that by a simple revision of only a hundred years in Biblical scholarship, all the discrepancies and contradictions can be dispelled snd archeological evidence can back the Biblical tale.Where is the problem in that?
I'm sorry. I just can't agree that Rameses II was the Pharaoh of the Exodus. He might have been the greatest Pharaoh of them all. A Warrior Pharaoh he was.
It's actually the Pharoah Amenhotep the 2nd, he matches the same patterns as the exodus Pharoah even down to his first son dying of mysterious circumstances and his I think 2nd or third son claiming the throne.
@@mr.graves2867 Occam's razor. Hebrews are a product of the semitic people of Canaan, like pottery and religious study reveals. In fact, Yahweh was one among Canaanite gods, and actually predates Hebrews.
@Martin Portelance according to who? When I look it up on encyclopedia Britannica, this is what it says Yahweh, name for the God of the Israelites, representing the biblical pronunciation of “YHWH,” the Hebrew name revealed to Moses in the book of Exodus. The name YHWH, consisting of the sequence of consonants Yod, Heh, Waw, and Heh, is known as the tetragrammaton. The rest of the definition doesn't describe anything before but then goes into the Latin translation of Jehovah. There's nothing about a paganistic origin for God or his name, at least not from any scholar I've ever read.
What isn't true? The bible? The timeline? What are you talking about? The Jesus person as described and promoted in the bible never existed. The god of the bible is a figment of the imagination of a bunch of freaks from 1000s of years ago who need to be - whatever they did to insane people back then. Read about the document hypothesis. Also read the book by Victor Stenger: God: The Failed Hypothesis. Live inside reality instead of fantasy and trying to force others to adhere to the mental illness called religion especially, Christianity.
@@sweetsummerrain8086 Who do you think made that “ sweet summer rain” ? GOD. I can’t prove it but my Heart tells me so……. As for everything you wrote and have read. It’s still not proof of His non- existence. It’s an opinion………good luck with that. As for your mental illness opinion? Maybe reads more books on that. Peace , and May your conscious lead you to the Truth.
History is full of outlandish events, people, and places. That doesn't mean that it's not true. A man conquering most of the known world before he was 30 was once considered to be outlandish, but everyone knows his name even today, or how about a king who makes a stand against an empire that dwarves his own forces hundreds of times over but holds them off for days before he's finally defeated. Don't be so quick to just throw something out because it's not something that would be considered normal. There's more historical evidence in the Bible than most could comprehend.
I'd argue that each point in time of any civilization involves views that will many years later ultimately be looked at as false themselves. Theology is an attempt to separate from that, not with the purpose of replacing science (or at least ideally not to), but rather to attempt to view things external from the 'human condition'. Once we are able to recognize that science, counter to what many people believe, and by its own admission when properly interpreted, cannot possibly explain our existence, I'd suggest it forces us, for purposes of achieving a comprehensive understanding, to look at things from a theological perspective.
Of course there is a bias against the "historicity" of the Bible and for very good reasons. After such outrageous "facts'' as the Garden of Eden, Noah's Ark and the Tower of Babel [to mention a few] I wouldn't believe a single word in that disgusting old book.
@@elisejaudon925 Really? Have you read Thucydides or Tacitus or Prokopious? I guess you haven't. Many Greek, Romans and Chinese historians was quite professional. Even Herodotus who lied on occasion and liked to exaggerate is miles ahead of the ignorant misogynistic fools who wrote the Old Testament aka the Jewish Mythology aka the goat-shaggers guide to the Cosmos. But I guess you need to keep your precious religious illusions.
@@michaliskoufos6911 Misogynistic can be applied to all . The history recorded biblically is accurate and dose concur with Asryan, Babylonian, and everyone else who could write and who was there. Fact is if God was taken out of the Bible scholars wouldn't have a problem with it at all. It woul be lumped right in with the rest of history as factual records written by the people who were there. No one goes around trying to "disprove" original historical texts. Once proven to be authentic, they are taken as point of view facts. That was the topic of the video at hand. Then you went off goat shaggin. I'll pray for you.
@@elisejaudon925 Keep your prayers. You are wrong on so many levels but I understand where you come from. History is a very difficult subject and I have been reading about it for over 30 years. I know it is a journey that will never end but I still enjoy it immensely. Unfortunately all that knowledge sometimes makes me a little rude and cocky, especially to religious people who are mostly naive and blissfully ignorant. In any case I suspect you are a descent and polite person [more so than me] so I will not bother you any more. I wish you the best.
There is nothing less scientific than academics protecting themselves with intellectual rigidity.
They say “look at the evidence” but then ignore geological evidence that places the actual events (which no one disputes) as taking place hundreds of years earlier. This is the problem. Faith does not require one to be willfully ignorant in order to support it. Truth is truth.
Faith is an excuse of having no evidence. Support faith? What the hell is that? Truth is predicted on facts. Facts are predicated on evidence and their peer review corroboration. The bible provide little to no evidence of the the existence of any timeline. And who cares? The is no evidence that the Jesus person ever existed. There is no evidence of the biblical god. It can be shown if you cretins had open minds that the god of the bible is a composite character made from much older deities. Don't like it? Tough. That is truth. Suck it up dude and get a life outside the f*cking bible.
@@danielvazquez7482 The bible tells you to prove all things: 1 Thessalonians 5:21. Xianity is lie.
Showing you an error and you feel compelled to give me a smartass retort. Rude, arrogant, unrighteous displaying you to be as filthy rags Isaiah 64: 6 - 8.
Demonstrating bitterness, rage, and anger: Be kind and compassionate: Ephesians 4:31-32. I am not you enemy. Instead you are mine. I have told you no lies. However, you spread one that many are using - not for the betterment of human kind, but for power and wealth.
With this power many want to put LBGT people, atheists - others to death - with your inability to be Christ like, you show yourself to potentially be one of their followers.
You have shown that you are easily provoked. I wonder if you have already harm others in the name of the imaginary characters of the bible that are not exactly as you wish to force them to be. So very, very sad.
"Faith does not require one to be willfully ignorant in order to support it"
One cannot serve two masters. If I am working out of faith, I am ready to take numerous shortcuts and lack of evidence is no problem.
Believers twist events to fit into their narrative, while the scientific takes the other way around.
@@martinportelance138 nor is it supported by regurgitation. Find your voice.
Yeah and scientific bias doesn't give rights to incorrectly dating egypts timeline and using it to determine the rest of the ancient worlds timelines
Atrocities? Nephilim destruction , feeding babies to spirits…Yah draws a distinction between clean and unclean, sacred and profane. These distinctions relate to the commandments of Yah.
(19 September 2023, 10:40 a.m.)
Currently 1530 BC is a popular date for the expulsion of the Hyksos.
This date does not align with a circa 1446 BC date for the Exodus based on 1 Kings 6:1 mention of 480 years from Exodus to the building of Solomon's Temple.
Not very well known to many, however, two Egyptologists, who identify themselves as Christian Apologists, Professors James K. Hoffmeier and Kenneth A. Kitchen, independent of each other, toted up the number of years of rule from Joshua, the Judges, Saul, David, and Solomon, and concluded the Bible erred!
It was not 480 years from the Exodus to the Temple's building by Solomon, it was over 600+ years!
This 600+ years aligned the Exodus with the Hyksos period of Egypt!
Despite this extraordinary finding, both Hoffmeier and Kitchen, then trashed this Hyksos alignment, opting for a 1260 BC Exodus based on the mention of a store city called Ramesses, built by the Israelites, which, for them is the city of Pi-Ramesses of Pharaoh Ramesses II.
Exactly, looking in the wrong time zones of history
Its hard to fathom such a place as Heaven and Hell but even from the existence of time there was revelation to and revealed through the spirit there was something more happening than what one could experience in the physical.
Thank you.
Charles Aling is correct as to why people do not want the Bible to be true!
I mean... it's not an either-or here. The truth is the truth, there is plenty of evidence for much of what is said in the bible, but there is also plenty of evidence for additions, changes, and adaptations over time. This evidence quite clearly lines up with the cultural influences that the Israelites were exposed to...
The people who want to disprove it don't look at what *is* true about the archeology because they don't care or aren't curious.
The people who want to prove Biblical things also don't look at what's *true* because they're working from an idea that the scriptures are more accurate than the evidence refuting parts of the narrative.
The truth is somewhere in between.
Just wait until the Lord appears in the sky…. They will be saying “ We believed our on lie’s “
You can't even type an actual sentence correctly... what makes you think you are accurately reading a text where an exiled dude wrote his own fan-fiction predicting Rome to fall like Babylon (Revelations)?
@@lazerhosen I’m so sorry…. are you having a bad day…. or bad life ?
@@thomasmyers9128 Do you read the your Bible in such a disingenuous way also, and make assumptions about meaning where there isn't one?
What about my neutral, fact-based statements lead you to believe that *I am* having a bad day?
@@lazerhosen …. That’s why I put the option of “life”….
Have a good day…!!!
No need to respond…!!!!
@@thomasmyers9128 Nah, days in my life are pretty great because I don't believe that God is some magic sky-wizard, nor do I think we live in the so-called "End Times" according to the most ridiculous book in the Bible.
Thanks, I hope your life is great despite those views! I know there is no need to respond to a public comment on a public comment section, but that's what makes them great, it's a choice! Love ya!
why they are not finding evidence- because the Bible and God require that you use faith
The historical events in the Bible don’t require faith. It’s god’s involvement that requires faith.
Why would the Israelites make up a story about them being enslaved by Egyptians for no reason?
Faith doesn´t mean to be gullible!
Answer: yes.
No.
3:07 With some caution, it seems that 480 years in III Kings 6:1 is a minimum - if you add up numbers from Acts 13, you get 570 years before King David died, and then 11 more before the Temple.
If we add up figures from end of Joshua, and from Judges, I get 567 years for King David's death if I use Acts 13 for the reign of Saul, _or_ 519, if I conclude he reigned 2 years, according to one statement in I Kings (I Samuel), so 530 - the distance the Roman Martyrology for Christmas day has, when you have _King David's anointing_ 480 years after the Exodus (1510 and 1032 BC).
Taking Ramses II as the pharao of the Exodus is a huge no no.
Supposing King David was anointed 1032, died 992, adding then 567 gives you Exodus in 1557 BC.
Add even more time for undetermined time Juda fought Canaanites after Joshua's death, and even more for "And all that generation was gathered to their fathers: and there arose others that knew not the Lord, and the works which he had done for Israel." and even more for Samuel's rule.
That would put Exodus close on 1600 BC.
To be clear - I did include Samson's 20 years into the 40 Philistine years, because it explicitly says so. I did not include the next Judge's 20 years into the 40 Philistine years, because it doesn't say so. If I did, this would reduce things by 20 years, but not to _only_ 480 years.
Using Judges I get 496 years from the end of Joshua until the dedication of Solomon's temple. As you point out there is missing data in Judges. It is not known what Joshua's age was at any point in the Exodus or Conquest. There are no years given for Shamgar. Then the length that Saul ruled is not known. Tying it to different events leads to contradictions. Was it 2 years or 7.5 years or 20 years or 40 years?
What's more archeology conflicts with scripture. That Beth-Shean and Megiddo were still in Egyptian hands until 1140-1130 BC making Deborah and Barak's timeline later. Also, an ostraca of Gideon Jerubbaal was dated to 1100 BC. This pushes all the subsequent Judges even later.
Scott Stripling an early exodus date advocate says Cushan-Rishathaim was Mitanni. According to him this proves the early exodus date because Mitanni ended in 1350BC. So Othniel was essentially defending Amenhotep III's or Akhenaten's Retjenu. My man!
@@501Mobius _"496 years from the end of Joshua until the dedication of Solomon's temple."_
_"It is not known what Joshua's age was at any point in the Exodus or Conquest. There are no years given for Shamgar. Then the length that Saul ruled is not known."_
Most correct. I'd say Saul's duration was 2 years as a decent king and 40 years as a ruler, even after losing God's grace.
_"What's more archeology conflicts with scripture. That Beth-Shean and Megiddo were still in Egyptian hands until 1140-1130 BC making Deborah and Barak's timeline later."_
Or earlier. How long after the Conquest were Deborah and Barak? The Conquest, if you ask me, was in 1470 BC.
Plus how real or how nominally was that.
_"Also, an ostraca of Gideon Jerubbaal was dated to 1100 BC."_
What if the date is off?
@@hglundahl I have made two timelines. The sequential one starts in 1446 BC. I have a concurrent Judges timeline where more than one Judge can serve at a time, but in different regions.
In a 1446 timeline Deborah and Barak would start in 1190 BC. The ostraca of Gideon Jerubbaal was dated by carbon dating and ceramics so it is pretty close to 1100 BC.
@@hglundahl One person I read makes a good case for Saul's reign to be under 20 years because the ark was at Abinadab's house before Saul was made king. It was there 20 years until David took it from there and brought it to Jerusalem.
If there is a bias against it, perhaps it's at least partly because for a very long time there was a strong bias for it. For generations the entire point of biblical archeology was to find evidence proving biblical stories.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
How can it be academically accurate when they use the Bible itself, using an error of a Christian in the 19th century who miss labeled the Pharaoh.
Use the Bible, in err, to date Egypt and the entire middle east, with a gap that fits non of them, to disprove the Bible. That is no academically honest.
The DSS show the Exodus at about the time frame of 1450 BC. Taking into account the writings in Jubilees and Jasher. What we have in our mainstream canon is "Clift Note" or "Readers Digest" version. Our Bibles are truth but one needs to do their part to study and seek out "the rest of the story". It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, and the honor of kings to search it out. Seek and you will find.
I believe the monogod as portrayed in the Bible is perfectly capable of committing the atrocities done in its name or direct agency.
The Bible was written by mere faillible men around the captivity in Babylon, not by the lightning/fingers of god himself. Contemporary scripture about these times have some historical value, but the Pentateuch, for exemple, is entirely metaphoric myth.
There will always be and have been scoffers of a God that is, was, and will be. The only time they grasp the reality of the spirit realm is when they die then realize its too late and its revealed what is about to happen.
North America - Clovis man was the oldest , that's it ! We are done !! Ummm UNTIL they dug deeper ! Same ole Same ole.
To the archaeologists , just keep digging would ya ? There is much to uncover!
If we look at the history of archeology, we find that the archeologists were very much focused on haing it recognized as science. As “hard” a science as possible. So religion had no space there. There’s a sort of embarrassment in archeology about how their 18th and 19th century founding fathers just believed the Bible and the classics and went in and made astounding discoveries.
Also deeply troubling to academia, is that those founding fathers were often self-taught, or in other fields. Schliemann, the German businessman who found Troy despite the popular opinions of his day that it didn’t exist, didn’t have any kind of university degree at all.
Even by proving a correct dating fir the Biblical Hebrew Narrative, this does not imply that people NOW will have to change their theological beliefs. To i ply this is a form of Hubris.
They want to stick their heads in the sand and act like it never happened.
There is 110% bias against the Bible. It shows in all aspects of life with secular people.
A matter of the heart…why is Mount Sinai forbidden ?
The fact is that there has been a huge bias FOR a biblical historical record. It is only recently that these biblical scholars have been held to any scientific accountability.
Likely true, but I'd argue that the pendulum's long ago already swung too far out, that it needs to move back towards the middle.
@@peterrichards931 Gotta ask. Towards the middle of what?
@@mtn1793 Ha, I'm assuming 'the middle' represents the truth.
A bias? How about a big one.
A righteous one.
All the texts talk about their gods!
Yep
Time places kings all ties to truth and historical accuracy from the bible it's were historians look first
The God of Israel is not just an ordinary god.
11:37 - so to understand what he just said - because people believe it’s true and it contains the words of God… we need to be skeptical, if we didn’t believe it to be true than we could take it more serious and literal… 🤔 “How ignorant is that statement?”
15:31 - and this is a huge problem with how the story of Exodus is told… mainstream academia wants to tell you that because many years after the “Exodus” that the story was told about a people that lived in the area of the city of Ramses were the “Israelites”… then they say “Ramses” was the Pharaoh of the Exodus!… but this is clearly not the case… it is like as if today someone talking about the Native American people that live in the Los Angeles valley and future people equating it to the time of Joe Biden, simply because the story was told today… even though they have not lived there for 300 years before the stories were told about them… that’s the difference between the “city of Ramses” and “Avaris”. Like the “Valley of Somke” as the Native American called it and “Los Angeles”… put a little cognitive reasoning into the equation and gain a little clarity, it’s truly not very difficult.
Good comparison. Even if there will be no recorded evidence of Joe in the future. I mean, probably some few fragments explaining how just before the destruction of the American Empire we had an Alzheimer in the White House, but other than that not much else worthy of note.
there is no such thing as biblical arecheology, just as we dont have Arabian Nights arqueology
I believe the monogod as portrayed in the Bible is perfectly capable of committing the atrocities done in his name or direct agency. That assumes the monogod exists despite the lack of evidence for it being.
If there is no God, then there is no moral law. Morality then, is subjective. Thus YOUR definition of "atrocity" is merely your own. But in the minds of others, it's perfectly acceptable to dispose of whoever they need to for their own benefit, pleasure, sport, entertainment, and survival. Without God.... we have utter anarchy! They ONLY reason your limited mind even looks at the events of the Bible as "atrocious" is because MURDER, RAPE and other crimes on humanity were deemed UNACCEPTABLE by God FIRST and often had hefty consequences executed by his own hand (Sodom and Gamorrah) or by others under his direction (wicked nations wiped out by their enemies). God gave us a moral law and there were hefty consequences for breaking it. And we don't get to tell the giver of that law that he's "atrocious" for doling out judgement and sentences on law Breakers. That's like you make rules for your child, who breaks them, then when you punish them, they call you an abusive controlling maniac. Pfft🙄 YOUR rules are for their own good over the LONG RUN. No different with mankind. The bad apples were destroyed in order to preserve the good ones to be born in the future and to prevent corruption of those that were good. And to protect the good ones from bad acts of the evil ones. Your perspective is sorely limited in comparison to God's.
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The Biblical historians, using imprecise dating have gotten themselves into the negative bias they protest. Such as by claiming that the Exodus was in 1450 BCE. Whereas there is a greater possibility for such an event happening in 1550 BCE this date can eliminate all the contradictions that archeologists and other historians have posed. Even if it shows that while things may have been attributed to the Hebrew God, that they were natural events. Only intense study can offer correlations between archeological evidence and perceived historical dating of biblical tales.
One historical event purported to be with Hebrew involvement is the battle of Jericho. Under Biblical historians, this would have to be Circa 1400BCE. Archeological digs at Jericho, have been dated the destruction to to Circa 1500 BCE. A hundred year difference and by using the Egyptian chronology Circa 1500 BCE is the dating for Ahmose driving the Hyksos out if Egypt and expanding Egyptian control to the border with the Hittites. So by chasing the Hyksos into the Levant, Jericho would easily be a stronghold where Hyksos could obtain assistance and therefore would need to be destroyed. Given that the recent announcement if a lead tablet having bern found on Mt. Ebal, where Joshua was commanded to curse the enemies, there is no compelling reason that the Hebrews and the Dynastic Pharaoh’s troops could not fight together against a common enemy. The only problem comes from the Biblical historians
Exodus does not name the a”Pharaoh” that enslaved the Hebrews. Only that then “there was a Pharaoh that did not know of Joseph”. From Circa 1750 BCE with the Hyksos incursion, lower Egypt had two Pharaohs. The dynastic one and a Hyksos one. Which one is mire likely to not know of Joseph?
@@ryancairns2099 in that Biblical archeologists insist that the Egyptian chronology is in error to suit their beliefs and try to force unbroken records to be changed, is a greater evidence that when the old testament was being written by a committee, as is confirmed by Hebrew Linguists, to have occurred during the Babylonian Exile Circa 535 BCE. And that it can be proven that many people and place names were written so that their current audience could understand and that much was transmitted orally before being inscribed. That errors creep inis more understandable. Play the kid’s gam3 of telephone and listen to how the message changes. Since the events such as the Exodus would have occurred 900-1,000 years prior to being inscribed, that errors crept in especially with regards to numbering dates. They did not date events as we do Even in Egypt things were counted by a method of “ in the third year of the king’s reign “.. By working backwards from known dates into the various reigns of Egyptian Pharaohs, a more comprehensive picture of history can be ascertained. It is better than believing that the scribes were taking dictation from a computer memory bank. Ot that Moses was doing so in writing Leviticus and Deuteronomy ? Mist biblical archeologists have restricted their work to Israel an nothing from Egypt other than what archeologists from the late 19- early 20th Century,much of which has been disproven.
Rather than as some have tried to assert, that the Exodus never happened, in that by a simple revision of only a hundred years in Biblical scholarship, all the discrepancies and contradictions can be dispelled snd archeological evidence can back the Biblical tale.Where is the problem in that?
I'm sorry. I just can't agree that Rameses II was the Pharaoh of the Exodus. He might have been the greatest Pharaoh of them all. A Warrior Pharaoh he was.
It's actually the Pharoah Amenhotep the 2nd, he matches the same patterns as the exodus Pharoah even down to his first son dying of mysterious circumstances and his I think 2nd or third son claiming the throne.
Don't worry, he wasn't.
In fact, no pharaohs ever were, since the Exodus did not happen. 🙂
@@martinportelance138 what makes you think that?
@@mr.graves2867 Occam's razor. Hebrews are a product of the semitic people of Canaan, like pottery and religious study reveals. In fact, Yahweh was one among Canaanite gods, and actually predates Hebrews.
@Martin Portelance according to who? When I look it up on encyclopedia Britannica, this is what it says
Yahweh, name for the God of the Israelites, representing the biblical pronunciation of “YHWH,” the Hebrew name revealed to Moses in the book of Exodus. The name YHWH, consisting of the sequence of consonants Yod, Heh, Waw, and Heh, is known as the tetragrammaton.
The rest of the definition doesn't describe anything before but then goes into the Latin translation of Jehovah. There's nothing about a paganistic origin for God or his name, at least not from any scholar I've ever read.
You can’t prove it isn’t true……….
What isn't true? The bible? The timeline? What are you talking about? The Jesus person as described and promoted in the bible never existed. The god of the bible is a figment of the imagination of a bunch of freaks from 1000s of years ago who need to be - whatever they did to insane people back then. Read about the document hypothesis. Also read the book by Victor Stenger: God: The Failed Hypothesis. Live inside reality instead of fantasy and trying to force others to adhere to the mental illness called religion especially, Christianity.
@@sweetsummerrain8086 Who do you think made that “ sweet summer rain” ? GOD.
I can’t prove it but my Heart tells me so…….
As for everything you wrote and have read. It’s still not proof of His non- existence.
It’s an opinion………good luck with that.
As for your mental illness opinion? Maybe reads more books on that. Peace , and May your conscious lead you to the Truth.
Only because it is grossly inaccurate and mostly made up.
I don't know why people are so much more ready to believe in the outlandish when it's in the distant past. Must be faith.
History is full of outlandish events, people, and places. That doesn't mean that it's not true. A man conquering most of the known world before he was 30 was once considered to be outlandish, but everyone knows his name even today, or how about a king who makes a stand against an empire that dwarves his own forces hundreds of times over but holds them off for days before he's finally defeated. Don't be so quick to just throw something out because it's not something that would be considered normal. There's more historical evidence in the Bible than most could comprehend.
I'd argue that each point in time of any civilization involves views that will many years later ultimately be looked at as false themselves. Theology is an attempt to separate from that, not with the purpose of replacing science (or at least ideally not to), but rather to attempt to view things external from the 'human condition'. Once we are able to recognize that science, counter to what many people believe, and by its own admission when properly interpreted, cannot possibly explain our existence, I'd suggest it forces us, for purposes of achieving a comprehensive understanding, to look at things from a theological perspective.
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What do you expect from a book of fables?, even where is has a little history it gets it wrong
There is no "bias". There is evidence against the historical credibility of the bible.
Of course there is a bias against the "historicity" of the Bible and for very good reasons. After such outrageous "facts'' as the Garden of Eden, Noah's Ark and the Tower of Babel [to mention a few] I wouldn't believe a single word in that disgusting old book.
May as well throw out all your other history books. They aren't near as well vetted.
@@elisejaudon925 Really? Have you read Thucydides or Tacitus or Prokopious? I guess you haven't. Many Greek, Romans and Chinese historians was quite professional. Even Herodotus who lied on occasion and liked to exaggerate is miles ahead of the ignorant misogynistic fools who wrote the Old Testament aka the Jewish Mythology aka the goat-shaggers guide to the Cosmos. But I guess you need to keep your precious religious illusions.
@@michaliskoufos6911 Misogynistic can be applied to all . The history recorded biblically is accurate and dose concur with Asryan, Babylonian, and everyone else who could write and who was there. Fact is if God was taken out of the Bible scholars wouldn't have a problem with it at all. It woul be lumped right in with the rest of history as factual records written by the people who were there. No one goes around trying to "disprove" original historical texts. Once proven to be authentic, they are taken as point of view facts. That was the topic of the video at hand. Then you went off goat shaggin. I'll pray for you.
@@elisejaudon925 Keep your prayers. You are wrong on so many levels but I understand where you come from. History is a very difficult subject and I have been reading about it for over 30 years. I know it is a journey that will never end but I still enjoy it immensely. Unfortunately all that knowledge sometimes makes me a little rude and cocky, especially to religious people who are mostly naive and blissfully ignorant. In any case I suspect you are a descent and polite person [more so than me] so I will not bother you any more. I wish you the best.
Now, since Jesus refers those "outrageous facts" as historical, I have a question: Was Jesus a liar?