Glory Hunter FM23 | So Let's Talk About It... | Episode 32 | Football Manager 2023
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Glory Hunter FM23 | So Let's Talk About It... | Episode 32 | Football Manager 2023
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Ultimately, Glory Hunter is a great idea, in concept. However, it is a huge undertaking you've now done for several years and every year it's caused issues for your channel regarding burnout and episode fatigue. This happened last year too. You've had your most fun in Football Manager telling more narratively oriented stories like Salford and Thames. Perhaps next year if you are still committed to FM as a creator it's time to ditch Glory Hunter and pick another small team in an unusual league to get invested in once more. Lean into your natural ability to create humor and narrative. The best bits of your series have not come from the mechanics of the game, they have come from you as an individual making the game interesting (BenSportsNews, G, Shouten etc). Lean into that more and you may find that things open up for you a bit more as to what you can do as a creator
I discovered your channel with the PSG Homegrown so I have no doubt that you can attract people with other things than GH.
Succinctly written, this one, thanks UCG.
Life and it’s ups and downs, I’ll watch either way Ben. It’s okay, take it easy for a bit.
Appreciate the comment, clearly considered and lots I agree with. I think because of how much I and everyone else enjoyed the first one, that I could replicate that, but when the game doesn't move forward, that's tough.
@@DoctorBenjyFM It was great, and I can completely understand as a creator wanting to keep going with new things to retain audience interest (doing Thames part 2 etc). However, you've reached a point now where it isn't fulfilling your own interests, which for me is the sign there needs to be new ideas and perhaps not putting so much emphasis on waiting for bold new game mechanics which are potentially unlikely to arrive
You upload when you want to. I'll still always watch it as you was the first fm UA-camr I started watching. Life gets in the way sometimes, so I know why you have uploaded as much 🤟🏻
To the people who are upset at the lack of content... maybe you should stop taking it for granted, and appreciate it (more) when it's posted 😉
And you have no say on whether Ben should apologize or not, too 🙂
The way it was told to me about my streaming was if I'm not enjoying the game people will be able to tell and won't enjoy it. If you aren't enjoying something I'd prefer you make a video and say something and I would understand 100% than put out content that isn't what you want to do. Do what's best for you
Hello folks, a bit more of a serious video, I don't really need 'solutions' or anything, I'm just telling you how things are, the solution would be for Football Manager to make some changes that made me feel like I was playing a greatly improved version of a game I've loved for decades, so I guess I'm sort of... waiting for that, but it doesn't mean I want to stop playing forever, and it certainly doesn't mean that I want to stop making content.
I think because Glory Hunter 1 was quite possibly the best Football Manager content seen by many (certainly by me) it has set a precedent in your head as to the level you need to be at, putting undue pressure on yourself. I’m sure I speak for many when I say we are all loving this series and appreciate all the effort, especially if personally you feel like your flagging. 1 video a day, 2 a day, 1 a week… who cares, whatever you want to upload we’ll be here to watch.
Honestly though if you don’t upload more I’m unsubscribing (joke)
You’re such a good storyteller, I think you should lean into that strength. Glory Hunter requires so many seasons, many of which are going to be relatively boring domestically, it’s just a huge commitment to tell the story. I would love to see you do something without a specific long-term goal. I don’t want to tell you what to do but I think being able to play the game at your own pace and not have to rip through seasons just to get to the good bits could help your relationship with the game. Ultimately though, you’re making art here and it’s hard to create something you don’t believe in. You say it’s like any other job, but creating is not like any other job. Make episodes when you want, start a new series, bin off FM, whatever you need to do. You have to be invested if it’s going to work. I’m sure you’ll find an audience for anything you choose to do.
I praise your brutal honesty. And remember, it's not as important as it may feel sometimes, to give your fans their daily episode or whatever. Watching your episodes is a luxury, and none of us want you to develop any mental problems out of it. Keep yourself invested in your family, and only do this when you feel like it. Otherwise, the content quality will decline too.
And I agree with UCG, Glory Hunter seems to be killing the joy of FM (even though it's a great concept). But we all learn from trying! And kudos for trying! And thanks for being a great person. :)
network game. the network game.
This potential burnout on the series is exactly why I never bought into the series and stopped watching very early on. Personally at this point I don't think I could buy into a series of yours moving forward because it almost seems inevitable that a series will never reach a conclusion and will just end abruptly.
I think you'll need to radically rethink how you approach FM content wise if you still even wish to make content on the game anymore. Wish you the best of luck Ben and hope in the future I see a series that is 50,60,70 episodes in going strong, and I'll dive back in.
As I say in the video, I can't be annoyed about this opinion, it's fine.
This is why I really miss 1v1 drafts and network saves, they bring fresh air to FM content - which is mostly single player.
The interactions between content creators brought some of the funniest moments, at least for me.
It's probably where I'm at my best, but there are A LOT of FM creators who appear to feel like I do right now, some are dealing with that in different ways.
The story of glory hunter is always more interesting than the game itself. Really enjoyed the network save but not because of the lads on the fields but the lads on the mics.
Hope all is going well Ben!
Careful, I said something similar recently on Twitter and it didn’t go down well.
You are 100% right though. We watch GH a for the story and Ben. Not the actual game.
The love in for Diego had nothing to do with the match engine for example.
@@harrykenny If you'd had said something similar I wouldn't have had an issue, so you must have said something else.
I do wonder that you thinking ‘the problem is FM not being any more different to the previous iterations’ but in actuality it’s just a lack of motivation generally. I get that Jack the Space allows you to be someone else, not Doctor Benjy/Ben but even the football roundup you said you’d do weekly stopped, streaming is more infrequent etc etc. This isn’t a pop at you but something I’m feeling at the moment too so just wondered if the problem is more macro than micro!
It could be, don't get me wrong, but I think people forget, I've been doing this for 9 years now, it's a long time to constantly enjoy playing Football Manager.
@@DoctorBenjyFMso have I - and my play rate comes and goes but for you, even the feeling of ‘fuck, there’s still 200 episodes left’ probably can feel exhausting and daunting itself. Ultimately, you are great, you have managed to make this ‘gloried excel spreadsheet’ so so much more and given me hours of entertainment.
Im starting to think you are not a real doctor at all
But he prescribes the best medicine with every video!
I know it’s tough Ben because your a dad, but would it be easier to batch record? Having one day of having to record it may give you enough rest between recording sessions to recharge. Just an idea, for me I’m enjoying Jack Space more anyway so I’m glad that’s getting more attention.
Been around since Parma, I agree with the sentiment that you’re generally at your comedic best during a single team long term save. Salford, Spal, Parma & Thames were all incredible. I do really enjoy the Glory Hunter concept, but maybe it’s something that needs a couple of year gap between them? I could see it becoming a little samey in terms of creating content.
I don’t know, burnout and apathy are hard to combat. But if there’s something that you can find that genuinely excites you to dive into this game with passion, I’m sure everyone would be overjoyed to watch whichever journey you wanna go on. It would be sad to see the Hunter end prematurely again, but honestly, your mental health and enjoyment comes first.
Sick of being led down the garden path with these ‘series’
Sorry boss
Don’t apologise, but you keep saying you’re trying to be open and honest and the slow down of videos is because of how you feel about the game “right now”, but that feels quite deceptive because you’ve felt negatively about the game for a long time… poor decision to start a series based on a save lasting up to 20 years when you didn’t “love” FM23 when you recorded episode 1. Nothings changed about the game, your feelings haven’t really changed but 30 eps in you have an epiphany 😂 Hence garden path…
@@NoadVideos I agree, it's probably a bad decision. I didn't do it on purpose though, I do think that's important to remember.
@Milan Patel he addressed that in the video.
@@DoctorBenjyFM that’s understood and I appreciate your response. From a completely personal opinion, I would just hope you express this openness and honesty from Day 1 more clearly. Best of luck.
You just need to do a new series or different idea it’s clear the GH has failed considering you tried to do it twice and not complete them
As much as I'm enjoying this save I believe it's good that you speak up about your feelings about something that is the foundation of your youtube career. I can no doubt imagine it must be hard to be sort of torn apart from that, but it's still the most important that you feel happy with what you're doing. Personally I love the fact Glory Hunter is back, but I can definitely see the pressure with it being such a long-term save without it really having an "early exit" opportunity.
Look if this isn’t for you anymore then I think it’s time to stop and find something new as if you look at this as a job perspective you are underperforming I’ve watched you for many years now but seeing the work and effort that fm UA-camrs like Omega Luke and Tom FM put in you will be left behind. Sad to see but for the best if it’s not for you anymore.
Facts!
I think the Streamer Showdown and Network Game with Z, WTS and Lollujo breathed new life into FM, the former well timed with the escapism the game brought to many over lockdown. I'm sure I am not alone when I say no showdowns for months and no network save this cycle have been a huge miss. It definitely seems like a lot of the SS crop of FM creators have lost interest/burnt out or lost interest at the same time.
A part of that is also that the network game and streamer showdown just don't bring the views and engagement numbers that make this a viable job. A lot of creators would probably like to be able to do a lot of different things within just FM itself, and while fans *say* they would support them if they did, their view habits say otherwise.
If you are enjoying the Newcastle save, how about we deviate slightly from the GH format and have a just Newcastle save? Its up to you cheif we will be here no matter what
Else, if you are enjoying a GTA save would you consider moving that to the FM space on YT and then doing a Zealand-style stream highlights save, might be more engaging if you can chat with the stream regulars on this spot. Or maybe even change from Let's Plays and go for experiments but in your special way?
Hope you are well personally thats what always takes priority, really enjoyed this save so far
From one veteran champ manager to another, sometimes it's time to hang your mouse up and have a break...
As someone that does this a quarter time- not even part-time- nevermind fulltime I'm trying everything possible to keep myself interested and struggling! Love ya bossman
I think your best series are when you do single save narratives. Maybe something like that but give yourself rules at the start to make it a challenge such as only UK nationals, like Bilbao but with a newly created team on tioer 8 or something.
That adds the difficulty FM needs and doesn't tiesa you top a 20 year save.
Maybe do a south American journeyman, there are so many things but I think one oif the burnout issues is you often (not always) stick to the main 5 European nations
I've noticed the same thing with Kev: you don't seem in love with a save. Maybe it's because you're managing big teams? And there's no storylines? And no characters? Like the best Kev videos are when he's managing some random team in Switzerland or in non-league in my opinion because you can tell he's invested and I have the same experience when I play FM. Same with you from what I've seen, Thames was prime Ben for me but when you're managing Newcastle with real players you see in real life every week maybe there's less of an escapism element? I don't know mate, love you as a UA-camr and just saying you're nowhere near alone when sometimes feeling disillusioned or lost when playing the game we all love x
I totally agree! I think the trouble is - and Jack has talked about this before, and I think Kev has too - non-big league saves get fewer viewers, full stop. Which is a shame, because the content is more engaging. Honestly, as a viewer, sometimes I even get burnout watching the same leagues all the time. Ultimately Ben has to do what's right for him, his family, and his business. We'll be supporting him whatever choice he makes
I know you probably aren't looking for 'solutions' even though I would say it could just be that having played FM for so long its entirely possible you're burned out a bit of what is essentially the same game every year, especially considering that lets be honest, SI haven't innovated nearly enough with the game over the last few years, the game needs a complete overhaul from top to bottom I think, especially the match engine, it's so annoying to spend all this time building your team and tactics and then you get into what is a god awful match engine to watch your players do unexplainable things that just put you off.
I personally feel like the best content you have made is when you have been able to use the game as the basis for incredible journeys/stories (Salford, Parma, Thames/AFC). Is that kind of content not something you're interested in anymore or have you thought about it at any point?
Either way I love the content and I am sure you will come up with ways to make the game fun for you, and consequently us until, hopefully, FM24 brings a good number of improvements to make the game better.
I appreciate all the content!
Lovely weather were having!
My biggest issue with football manager from time immemorial is the transfer market. How often do you look at a computer team and think “what a team they’ve put together. Really clever transfer business being done there” -
It would be so easy to put a video out each day, get your 10k views and move on. However, you have to be true to yourself and to the standards you have set for you content. Keep up the great work.... really enjoying the Jack Space streams and vids, and even looking back at the cities skyline stuff too. Take care of yourself mate and lovely weather we are having
RIP DoctorBenjy FM
If you're enjoying this Newcastle save but worrying about having to make the rest of the content fit into 20 years... Then why not just change the format?
You're the bossman, you can decide what to do.
Maybe just remove the time limitation to reduce the stress, or change it to win each trophy with a different team, or just doss around and see where management life takes you.
We're not here for the glory. We're here for the story you create.
Not sure Ben ever recovered from the burnout of last year’s Glory Hunter. No idea what to suggest to help out.
The reality is, it's the same problem as last year, than FM22 and FM21 weren't very different at all.
@@DoctorBenjyFM Yeah, can’t imagine it’s exactly stimulating when your job is to play effectively the same game every year
You remain the best, IMO, at bringing what is ultimately a dry game about spreadsheets to life. Whatever you choose to do regarding FM content, if you make it, I'll be watching. All the best to you.
I really enjoy GH, however, it’s clear watching this and JS that you’re enjoying that more at the moment. Don’t think there’s anything wrong with investing your time into what bringing you more joy.
Here for whatever you bring us more of. Although Mr Space is the best thing on any stream at the moment!
For me as a viewer who really looks forward to new Glory Hunter episodes, it's a shame that the tempo of uploads has slowed down a little bit. But obviously your enjoyment of the game or even your general happiness in life is way more important!
First and foremost you are a wonderful guy who has let us into your life through a game, brought us laughs and tears.. both here and on the other platform that shall not be named.. you have allowed a dialogue to be opened up about mental health. We have seen your successes, we have seen your disappointments and heartaches. I want to thank you for all that, I want to thank you for the hours of entertainment I and so many others have enjoyed. Thank you ❤
Really appreciated your comment about people having your videos as part of their day , because that's definitely the case for me. Always love your videos to decompress after a hectic day at work, that being said i think youre setting a fantastic example with openly talking about your emotions and being so personal, not enough guys do that so huge credit to you ben ❤
I feel like maybe you need a break from FM? Play something else?
Jack played F1 manager and took a break. Seemed like a welcome break for him and the streams were great. Been back this year with his park to prem save and has been some of his best content IMO.
After 10 years of playing FM, thousands of hours, I can only enjoy FM playing network games with friends. FM almost feels like a one-way tunnel to me. Tactics, transfers, AI all feel the same save to save now, especially long-term. The dynamic of playing with a friend because of their unpredictability tis the reason I play FM now. I loved your network streams last year and the Soton Middlesbrough save you and Jack had a few years back. I have watched you for a very long time and I understand your frustrations
If you need something new I've recently tried a save where I'm simply the DoF and nothing else which has been refreshingly fun. I hired an assistant manager and set him to cover all management duties, and I've focused solely on bringing in players, improving the back room team to develop the youngsters, and breezing through games a week at a time to find the board has decided to do something silly. Can't win the prem for the life of me though.
You've talked about how you haven't been a fan of the lack of progress of the game since launch yet somehow decided to do Glory Hunter for a third time even thigh you quit the last one cause you didnt like the fact you'd probably have to do it for 20 seasons. Like I'm not sure what your thought process was when you decided to pick it up again but definitely just feels like it wasn't a well informed decision. Should've just picked an interesting challenge with a big team and done that for 3/4 seasons than whatever you're doing now. Coincidentally this was around the same time last year you stopped making fm22 videos if I'm correct so a bit funny how this all works.
I'm sure we've all started saves on FM and not finished them. Ben doesn't owe anyone anything. I appreciate that some people criticising Ben on here are quite young and therefore not mature enough to think before they post, but it's extremely entitled to act like he's your servant. He can do what he wants. I've often started something that seemed like a good idea at the time, only to get tired of it later on.
Ya ngl FM does feel a bit been here done that atm.
Tony could help
I think its really important that you've said that, and I hope SI are listening - if FM24 is more of the same, more people are going to be speaking out like you are. I think its a real shame that people who have loved FM in the past, can't feel passionate about this version because it just hasn't moved on.
I've loved the story so far of this series, and thats thanks to how you've created the videos and told it, rather than the game itself.
I feel like I've heard you say this several times now, and if you're not committed/ enjoying it and you're outwardly expressing that, it kinda dampens enthusiasm to watch your content in general. How I feel about this is that it's a job most people would love to have, if you don't like that theme then think of/pick a new save to get into. You're providing for your family with football manager content,. find the motivation to keep doing it, like everyone else that has a family to provide for that has normal jobs. reduce the frequency of FM content a week, pick a theme you can get into more, and use the spare days to produce the other content you want to do that gives you that break from constant FM.
It's one thing to slightly nuke your main source of income when you're single but it's a very silly thing to do when you have a family.
You have no concept of my financial situation, so don’t assume you do, Chris. Your emotional blackmail has not been well received
@@DoctorBenjyFMwhat a diva 🤦♂️
@@DoctorBenjyFMout of all the comments to reply to you choose to reply with this. Respect level decreased
Some of the negative comments so far are unfair and show too much entitlement! Think you’ve been transparent with the process you’re in and I’m sure the majority of your fans will support you regardless of the decisions you make regarding content.
On a personal note, I can relate to how the anxiety of situations can affect your forthcoming actions even if it goes against what you intend. Maybe having no definitive deadline or timeframe to achieve something could be a better idea seeing as it sounds like the anxiety of the potential 15 seasons is stopping you from playing right now.
As always keep at it boss💚
Said it on twitter and will reiterate it here, your story telling is second to none. I think the first glory hunter set the bar so very high. I for one will watch whether you release daily or weekly. Heck even bi weekly. Ultimately you have to be happy in what you are doing so that your content is the best it can be and to your usual high standards
Bring back skits & stuff mate make the experience as fun as you can for yourself, don’t worry about the game we watch for the entertainment factor
I've played FM for almost 10 years now, got over 10k hours since then. (granted a couple are afk hours)
But still, I am in the exact same position as you when it comes to playing FM. I've had stints of playing it a bit but thats it. Quite burnt out atm, at some point it just becomes the same old, not that its a bad thing tho necessarily, but that's how it is with anything you do for that much.
Still love your videos as much as I've done since 2016/17. Story lines are the most important and they're still going to be there in this save! Cheers.
I've never understood these people who get annoyed with UA-cam people for not putting out enough content/the content they want to see. They don't owe you anything.
If Ben had these videos behind a monthly subscription where said subscription fee promised a certain quality and quantity, and he wasn't delivering that, then you'd have cause to complain as you wouldn't be getting what you paid for. But you aren't paying, these are free. You'll get what you're given and you should have the grace to say thank you.
Thank you, Ben. I don't really care what the save is or how often the videos are, I just enjoy spending some of my day listening to you get excited over a spreadsheet.
I’m one of those who has watched your videos for years and watching you became part of my daily routine. As life has changed over the years I haven’t been able to play nearly as much football manager as I would’ve liked but watching your videos kept me in love with the game even when I wasn’t able to play it myself. Nobody can or should tell you what you should and shouldn’t do with your saves, keep doing what you love and I, as with thousands of others, look forward to seeing the content you produce
From your first YT video up till now, your honesty was the main reason why I stick around. Been playing since 1996. and yes it can be boring from time to time, but watching and listening you is no where near of been boring. Sending you support!!!
I'd prefer a series taking on real life scenarios. Like Saudi takeover. Or promoting Luton. Or wrexham to prem. Just short fun series
I burnt out of FM for 8 full years. It's ok. I felt it was happening to you since before the first GH tbh. Still excellent vids regardless.
There’s a lot of interesting comments and essays, but the real question is Ben… how are you settling in to the new house? Big love ❤️
It's lovely mate! Thanks for asking :)
@@DoctorBenjyFM that’s awesome, thanks for replying 👍
I echo the other sentiments, watching your videos is a privilege, not something i want to come to feel entitled too
Personally i also loved the round ups, so if youre passionate about current football id love more of that
Let's transition to a focus on Newcastle Glory! Set some goals and play it until there is a sensible ending.
Did Ben ever pick this up again? Been flying through the episodes only to find none uploaded since this one
I get that playing the same over and over gets old eventually. Yet, this would look better if Ben managed to get some actual prizes in the Glory Hunter series 😁
On topic; play something else mate. No one is holding a gun to your head to play this particular game. Play a different managing game or a completely different genre altogether.
Another option would be to do a regular job for a few months. You'll come crawling back to Football Manager and love it for another 5 years at least. But another format is not going to help you. You can coach the Andorra national team and go from there but it's still the same game and same meta that you'll end up applying.
Ok, wasn't going to say, but ...
I've watched your channel grow from Boston Boys, Salford, Thames FC and the OG Glory Hunter. I've not watched everything and I'm not going to (I'm old and have responsibilities sadly) but I've always appreciated what you've done. The humour, the honesty, the creativity. I've looked at other FM channels but don't think I've even finished an episode of them.
And recently I had a bad health diagnosis. Like, really bad. Obviously I had lots to consider but I wanted to make sure and finish Glory Hunter before I did. 😅
It helped, it was 15-20 minutes to chill and not think about what was potentially coming my way. Now this isn't to say, you have to stay and always create content but I just wanted you to know that it's helped me get through some dark dark times.
And, happy ending, I just had the results of the latest scan and I'm all clear!
Understand mental health, I deal with it.. however I wouldn't have said that there will be a upload everyday and then nothing for wks.. glory hunter is boring now.. and not fun as it was.. sometimes you need to think outside the box..
I never started this series by saying they've be an upload every day forever, it never happened.
I sure you did say .. after the little break you had.. first leg of champions League.. you said that uploads will be back that wk..
I just said that comments like these don't help him. If you don't like GH then PISS OFF
I hv looked back on previous video . However episode 28 at 16:20 you say upload will be for four days in a row or should we go for a run..
@@timeandmoney84 oh sorry did I touch a nerve..all I said is don't promise people when u don't deliver..
Fun while it lasted 🙁
Just take the days as they come. No need to worry about what tomorrow brings. Do what makes you happy cause that is what life Is about.
And I don't wanna say that I understand how you feel cause only you can really know that. But the pressure of creating content instead of creating content because you want is something that
I can feel myself from time to time. It is difficult. I don't have it as a job but I feel pressured to produce content and that sometimes takes the enjoyment out of it.
In the end. you can't make everyone happy. But if you do what you want and enjoy, I am sure that more people than not will appreciate and watch your content, because you are a great entertainer and even better person.
Sorry for the poor grammar but just felt the need to express myself. You have been such a great inspiration for me ever since I started playing Football Manager, thanks for that.
Ok, I had a mad idea. You're not loving FM23 right now, well how about a Championship manager 01 02 game? You've mentioned that game before and it's still played by many (mostly old sods like me) and would give a totally different experience!
I’ve been watching your content for 5 years now and I’ve always thought you come across very well. Very likeable, so I hope that whatever content you choose to put out going forward, your community support that because they invest in you as a creator, not your content. Take care Ben!
You do you. External noise is exactly that, and you shouldn't be disheartened by negative feedback. Look through unnecessary abuse and create constructive criticism from it yourself. Then either choose to use it to your advantage, or dismiss it as you deem necessary.
Don't let childish or immature minds bring you down as they can't help it, and it doesn't (in the grand scheme of things) affect you at all, unless you allow it to. You're in control.
You probably help some people get through their day with your content, but that doesn't make you accountable if you don't make as much as people want, as the only thing you should be concerned with is what makes you happy, and what is right for you. If that also makes someone else happy, then that's a bonus, but it shouldn't be what you judge yourself on.
I think the majority of people respect you and your content, and you're never going to please everyone, and trying to do so is unhealthy.
Continue to do what you want as it makes for genuine and entertaining content.
I've not watched any of your stuff for a while, and I've found myself in a similar boat to yourself with FM recently.
I've binge watched up to this episode in the last 2-3 days and it's given me that buzz for it again, and I've started my own Glory Hunter as a result (which I've never actually tried myself before).
That was a long message for something you probably won't read on a video that is 1 month+ old 😅
But yeah, you do you 👍🏻
I haven’t played since 21/22 and over the last few days I thought about it. Decided to give you a visit to see what’s good these days and see this. Terrible timing on my part
Literally don't understand your lack of Isak. He's one of the best players in the game right now. Stop starting mitrovic.
Isak's hold up play isn't as good for me, and Mitrovic is just better against current Premier League defenders, frankly, I glad this was about the match!
@@DoctorBenjyFM I've done about 5 or 6 saves since the winter update and you are just wrong 😂
Chin up big man, your content is great, and your personality really shines through.
I have been playing FM since Championship Manager by the Collyer brothers.
Stopped playing around FM2012.
But then, thanks to a few youtubers, i picked it back up again with FM23.
No real change to the game, but, i love it.
Great simulation, great fun.
Grab a beer, put your feet up and enjoy!!
Cheers
I love UCG's analysis and largely agree with it. I'm not going to try to second guess your discontent with FM but I've found the changes of the last 3 or 4 years have made it a much better simulation but maybe not such a fun game. As I mainly play it for the simulation, this works for me. As a consumer of your (and other's) content, though, I've been disappointed. This is partly because 2 of my favourite creators are really just streaming now, which I don't have time for and don't really enjoy; while another one has stopped altogether. But if you're not having fun, your content is going to suffer, because it shows. I have faith. Your genius lies in the story and the humour you bring to the telling of it. You'll recapture that, just maybe not in FM23.
I think the main factor in your disillusionment (?) is, I think, because the game hardly changed, evolved from last years game. Playing, basically the same game for two years is a big ask. I only follow you guys on youtube, I don`t do Twitch, Twitter, discord etc. so I sincerely hope you hang on in there and don`t drop out of youtube like a lot of others have. Ultimately, family and real life come first. Enjoy them first and foremost, and if you only post once or twice a week, I will still be watching and enjoying.
I think a large part of your boredom is the fact that you haven't changed your saves enough. That coupled with the fact that this year's game hasn't evolved enough has left you feeling like you're doing the same thing over and over. Your best saves are when you're building a club up and weaving a narrative around that. Its why I think you've lost interest in the Twitch save too, you've just ended up at another big club. I think you need a lower league club and really try to get invested in them. Maybe another continent and have fun with it? I know you've said you're against South America because of Brazil, but Argentina is fine.
The games awful and I can’t see fm24 being anything radical. What also kills it is everyone(streamers/UA-camrs are doing the same type of videos and ideas it’s pretty boring after a bit so not surprised plus glory Hunter will never be the same the 2nd/3rd or 4th time over like it was in the 1st one
I think you more suited for smaller clubs and making them succesfull, I enjoy you content very much but starting this Glory Hunter at Newcastle was a bit to easy as in finance and first team. Next Glory Hunter start smaller and work your way up, take coach courses and make clubs want you. You're a great streamer and I like watching you playing FM. Keep up the content.
Always appreciate the discussions, whether here or on Twitch.
Echo many comments about the entertaining aspect being you and not the game.
Not being a content creator, i dont know whether this suggestion would be both fun and entertaining, but could you tweak the format to something like the following?
- Try to win the cup, league and champions league with one team e.g. Newcastle as quick as you can.
- Then you change country and try to do that again, without signing any of the same players as before.
It feels like it could replicate aspects of Gloryhunter?
Anyway, thanks for sharing and thanks for the content!
Maybe change the series slightly - I watch Clayts’ DOF save and he gets through seasons faster as he is not constantly playing every match. If the grind of playing each game isn’t appealing - you can spend more of your time planning transfers and scouting Regens. However, don’t post something that is ultimately making you feel a bit exhausted - it’s more important to do what you enjoy👍 love this series but want you to love it too!
I agree with a lot of the comments. Some of my favourite Benjy moments have been during the Thames days, or the long build saves. I've been given a lot of funny looks when I've celebrated late winners for your teams. Ultimately it's up to you, it's your content. I'll watch because you make me laugh, and make me feel better about my ability on FM. Stay true to your values and enjoy what you do.
Hi Ben, hope you're well! I'm a similar age to you and like you have played FM most of my life. I have only recently started watching FM UA-camrs like yourself, Zealand, Lollujo etc.... And I have to say I love everything you do. Over the last year as well as having some good times in my life, I've also been to some dark places and it's videos like yours which gives me some escapism and puts a smile on my face. Thank you for being so honest in your video and I hope you can rekindle even more love for FM at some point. I'm sure you have a great support network around you but I'm always here if you need a chat. Thank you once again! Luke.
The frustration is shared by most of us FM players. Luckily, I don't do FM as a job like you do, so if and it happens more now, I don't feel like playing, I dont have to. I just want SI to fix the broken things and upgrade it a little to make it feel fresh again.
Maybe, ironically, it might be helpful to do more stuff? Not as in more Glory Hunter, but more variety of videos instead? Since content creation is what you enjoy the most, perhaps it'd be helpful to make content about other things - perhaps the actual game like how Zealand has been, but also perhaps a different game? I know I watch not because of the save but because of the entertainment and I reckon a few more are the same way.
I think I understand where you're coming from Ben. Up until this year, I bought every Football Manager that's been released but I fell out of love with playing the series last year and decided against picking it up. I just felt I'd done everything I could with the game over the years, and SI haven't really developed it enough to keep me engaged with the series. I watch a lot of FM videos but I feel no need to actually play the game anymore.
I've recently lost a bit of love of gaming and watching games due to my new jib and having less time to play, expecially fifa and football manager mobile. It's got to be difficult to keep making content. I know most fifa youtubers have changed their content or fizzled out. Big fan of the channel , some very good memories with saves
Respect you being upfront Ben. I think some series ideas lend themselves to re-runs with tweaks (Thames v AFC Thames for example) others perhaps don't. As another commenter mentioned, the game is merely a platform for your charisma and that's what makes your content stand out. Other creators rely on a deep understanding of the game for their content and that's great. I get the sense I and many others would enjoy anything you put out because it's you that's enjoyable.
Perhaps another save akin to your older Salford/Parma type would be the answer if you still value content. I also wouldn't be against you branching out into different games on your main channel (appreciate the name is FM themed).
At the end of this season would a change of team help you Ben? I appreciate the brutal honesty however. I'll still watch whatever FM content you put out, I DO love Glory Hunter though and want you to complete the challenge you created so you can cross it off the list. But if you're not feeling it anymore then do a different save that you won't find so much of a slog. I'll watch your FM videos regardless, honestly GTA RP isn't for me generally speaking though and I don't really have the energy and sit and watch streams anymore. Ultimately do whatever makes you happiest.
Just update your gta videos to this channel. It’ll gain more traction. FM is broken and until it’s worthy of being a sole channel endeavour again make this a gaming channel. You have playlists for a reason.
Man benji, I respect you being real for what it is. You can always dabble with whatever you like, it would be nice to see you play some FM but not so much that you stop enjoying it. Once a week would be fine I think unless you feel like making more but you can always do other things like Vlogging or for example doing a behind the scenes of what a day in the life of an FM streamer is like. Idk... Do you fam, your fans love your humour, the way you crack jokes etc. You could do nearly anything so long as you're having a fun time and having a laugh I think you could create different videos.
I can definitely relate to a lot of what you are saying. I have played so little of this years version of the game, probably ever. There is something about FM23 which is boring and somewhat unrealistic, I just can’t get hooked on a save.
But at the same time I love the game and don’t like bad mouthing something that’s entertained me for years. And yet I’m still looking for a club that gets me hooked and going back for more!
Fair play Ben, takes a lot to put your honest opinions/emotions out there and as viewers/fans we should only appreciate that. I've been watching since FM16 (I think) and I have really enjoyed some of your most recent videos (also really enjoying the GTA stuff). Keep doing what you are doing as and when it feels right.
FM is no way near as good as it was 3/4 years ago. There’s just too much going on, especially for players that can’t put endless hours into it. It has become boring
Speaking of story, I'm enjoying the salford city story from 17 (I think) I'm feeling burned out on playing fm this year though, I've lost count of the times I've made new saves only to give up and hope that a new save will magically fix things. Not sure why I've not connected this year but I really haven't
Good on you for being honest Ben. I feel like FM this year lends itself more to a long-term project with a single club than it does being more of a journeyman. The save I keep coming back to is my 7-8 year Road to Glory - jumping around clubs doesn't feel nearly as fulfilling.
I wonder if with Glory Hunter the scale of what you want to achieve adds to the anxiety you were talking about. Rather than forcing yourself into trying to win everything, maybe just streamline things down to the main league and cup competitions in each of the top 5 leagues, and worry a bit less about collecting all of the European tournaments. Could shorten the number of seasons so you don't feel like it's such an epic scale task.
This isn’t helpful as all I can really add is that I love both the Glory Hunter and the GTA series. I honestly think the GTA series is the most underrated on UA-cam as it cracks me up all the time. Wishing you well Ben. Also, I appreciate its hard at times, but try to ignore some of the negative comments.
Personally.. i loved GH.. but.. to remove some if the pressure.. how about you start with a team outside of the top 4 un each country... and give yourself 5 years to win the domestic trophies.
Once won.. yoh start a new game.. but with another team.. another country.
Maybe you should set a rule for now or future glory hunter...if you don't win a trophy in 2 seasons with a club, it's over. Creates a degree of risk and gives you an easy out if things get a bit stale.
respect the honesty and me personally i understand. id rather watch one vid a month and you enjoy making that vid then watch one every day where youre not interested and tired of it. like you said youre just human like us all if someone doesnt agree with your choice than theyre just selfish. i watch your vids for you not what you play so i want to see you happy and enjoying what youre doing. love and respect benjy bro
I understand that you fall in and out of love with Football Manager I have the feelings why spend all that money on the game if you lose interest in it that why I am still playing FM22 on and off a did not buy FM23 and I see how I feel when it comes to FM24 . Still love the content you post when you feel like it.
Do what you got to do and the honesty and upfrontness is appreciatd but the way you talk about it it sounds like more of a hobby than a job, maybe content creator as a profession isn't for you anymore.
I really enjoy all the content you put out, whether that be FM or the Weathermen. I feel that you are at your best when you are able to do something creative/different and unfortunately this current iteration on FM has not changed enough to allow you to possibly tell a different story from that of your previous series. I am still really excited to see where this story goes with Newcastle but I would hate to feel like you are forcing something for the sake of it. Every year you always have created a new type of series or concept within FM whether that is something as large scale as Glory Hunter or saving Derby with a no striker system, and it must be a challenge to create something new with something that is largely the same game as last year. From a selfish perspective I hope you do create daily content but I understand how it is to do something that you are forcing, especially if you are your own boss / forced to by the UA-cam algorithm. Will always watch your content on UA-cam regardless of what you are doing, not just because I am fan on FM and GTA, but more so that I am fan of you as a creator
Speaking as a relatively new viewer, if you're not feeling a series I would absolutely advocate for either putting a pin in it until you are ready to return to it. Or binning it off entirely and starting fresh with something that excites you. From personal experience, trying to overextend a project when the passion isn't there leads to a poorer product be that the project itself or the mental state of those working on it.
Stay strong big man, keep up the excellent work in relation to your mental health journey and absolutely do whatever feels like it is going to be best for you, we're just along for the ride.
Get to the end of GH, I want to see you taking a random job in the mid table prem in 15 seasons just desperate to get the FA Cup
Maybe not the best idea, but what if you started glory hunter as soon as fm is out? The fresh hype around the new fm, the excitement to playing a new game that’s just came out would be more fun to record a series that’s long term. Just an idea
love you ben x