BMW i3 22 kWh 500 km challenge
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This is exactly what kind of test I wanted to watch. Old electric car with small battery doing a cold test. Thanks Björn!
I came to this channel years ago to watch brand new Tesla's being driven on the autobahn.
But I'm staying here to watch Bjorn subject old EVs to ridiculous range challenges. It's highly entertaining and great demonstration of how far EVs have come over the past few years.
Not only the EVs, also the charging infrastructure.
We got a i3 94Ah two years ago and in summer we get 200 kilometers of range, in winter more like 150 kilometers. More than enough for daily driving. We also have a Kona with a 64kWh battery leased and in a few months it goes back. So while looking for a car after the Kona we decided to get another i3, a i3S 120Ah. So happy that we got this offer, 25k € for full spec everything, 15k kilometers. So hyped to get it.
In 20 years of driving the i3 is the car with the least problems we had. We love it.
I3 is maybe most dope city car❤
This is a great testament for how much EVs have evolved in the last few years.
My i3 60 Ah from 2014 approves this video and wants a bigger battery... for the next 10 years. Thanks for the i3-❤.
Seen dudes install additional battery pack for these old EVs in the boot, but not by manufacfurer though😂
@@marks9127 Actually BMW had an official battery update program when the introduced the version with the bigger battery.
More people need to learn how to repair or even build new battery packs for older cars eg BMW i3 60 Ah to say 200 Ah and even put the small front motor from a Tesla Model 3 in it too, also being centrally mounted and equal length drive shafts makes for a better drive too...
We own an i3s. Love that car. Summer range 200+, winter 150+. With about 80k km’s. Sweet spot while hammering it: 90 km/h… above 100… battery drains fast. So we use it for local travel only < 30 km’s. The other car for long range: Tesla MY LR. My wife calls that car “the i3s big brother” because it does have the same driving “feel”! And she is quite picky about cars.
This reminds me when I drove from Germany to Romania (1000km) with my 41kWh Zoe Mk 1.5, the one with only AC. 1 hour driving, 1 hour charging. 😂
Wow man!
The i3 should normally keep its full charge rate up to 80%, then it starts going down. When you reach 86% there is no point to keep on going. Btw its a bit insane to do a long drive in the small 60Ah version with heating set to 22C and on top of that not running in Eco Pro mode. I have a 94Ah model and i never run it in Comfort mode, there is no point really, you just lose range. The extra HP you get from Comfort mode and extra heating power is unnecessary. I live in Sweden, middle of the country and have very cold temperatures as well.
This is the original i3 which was sold as a city car "megacity vehicle" so much so that they included free loaners of a fossil car if you wanted to take a road trip. They also had the option of the fossil powered range extender (110km with a full tank) that could "hold state of charge" for times when you need a bit more range to make it to your destination.
We came to Norway with our Zoe 40 a few years ago and really struggled with the lack on AC charging... and sometimes even when we did find one it didn't work! But we also had similar issues in the UK when we visited there with Zoe. All good in France though, thanks Lidl
Newer chargers along the trunk roads often do not have AC, they are installed as destination chargers where you are expected to be parked for 1-4 hours.
So you have to go to shopping malls to find 22kW AC. Many of them have free parking for 2 to 4 hours if they are outside the city center.
We drive from Amsterdam to the French Alps every winter with a Zoe ZE40, 1000 km each way and 12-13 charge stops each way. It takes us about 26 hours each way.
My wife drives a old Kia e-Niro with the 39kWh battery. We only used it for a longer trip once as we also have a Mode 3 and the DC charging in low temperatures is super bad in the old Kia. I would love to see it tested in your new 500km challenge!
Love the new concept!
My wife drives a Smart, but I drive Ioniq with 28kWh Battery. We use Ioniq for long distances and it ist very fast charging ( because thd battery is so small!)
That was great, thank you. Look forward to seeing the Ioniq doing the 500km test. I love my 28kWh, but I'd be very impressed if you did it in less than 6 hours!
He already did the 1000km test with it and it did extremely well actually, beating a lot of modern cars with 3x the battery size even!
@@swecreations Yes, I've seen that. It's a surprisingly good car.
Great video… thanks so much… this i3 has the smallest 22 kWh battery please try with the 94ah that has 33 kWh battery
Sweetspot is about 105 km/h for the 60Ah. It is the best ratio driving speed to charging speed.
Regarding driving speed :
I have a C-Zero, and on the motorway I have the technique of picking out a charger and adjusting the speed according to the range remaining on the GOM.
Optimal speed for distance in winter is on my car 60km/h. The reduced range between 80 and 90 is so significant that you may be able to skip one charger..
My max distance in two days was 1700km.
Why dont you do the 30 kWh upgrade for your C-Zero?
@@samusaran7317 I know about the 90Ah cells that fits in place of the 50Ah cells.
As of now for me, the occasional long trips (*) are not worth it, and I also have cars available in a car share. And I do not know of it being done in Norway.
The MiEV/C-Zero nice small car if some small program changes were done:
* Allow use of the heater when fast charging IF battery cooling is not needed. (the cooling never runs above 70%SOC when it is cold outside)
* Allow the use of the heater when AC charging.
Too bad they discontinued the car. Small cars are needed. With 30kWh from the factory it would be a nice option for some.
(*) the 1700km trip was not planned, the mountain pass closed due to bad weather..
Man, the buns / salad swap had me laughing for real.
I3 had Adaptive Cruise Control as an Option.
I have a 60Ah i3 but with the petrol range extender, and on longer journeys we run them both and then when we charge I also fill up the 9 litre petrol tank from a Jerrycan. It's not exactly the greenest way of doing a long journey but, particularly in the winter, stopping every 45-50 miles to rapid charge is tedious, but extending the range to about 110 miles is much better.
Just image with a Petrol 500+ miles without a fill up, the Future is here.
@@user-ww9yw4zi8m 95% of my driving is done with home charging and costs a fraction of what it would cost using petrol. I don't even need to drive to the fuel station to fill up.
what speed can you do to hold charge without any drop?
@@justice4g probably something like about 62mph I think, dependent on weather conditions, gradient, etc. To be fair it's not that great a car for motorway cruising, it's better on back lanes cos 55mph is the sweet spot for EV & REX driving.
Björn, In Germany when parking parallel on the side of the street you have to park in driving direction. The other way around is illegal. That’s why the Charging port has to be on the right side. It’s just a fact. Of course, having two like in a Porsche or in a fat etron is more convenient, but also more expensive. For sidewalk charging it is necessary to have it on the right side. In Germany I often have to park illegally when charging on the sidewalk in other cities with my model 3
Your first i3 video convinced me to get my own (which is still being driven by my wife). Merry Christmas!
I still have impression that this particular pack has quite high internal resistance. From what i've seen in the streams, the pack voltage jumps to about +17-19 volts @125amps. An eGolf in comparison jumps only +10 volts @125. And it looks like BMW's BMS doesn't want to go higher than 4.09v per cell during high power charging. In my opinion, these 2 factors reduce power quite early.
you are right
Still impressive to see where the tech was 7 (!!) years ago and where it is 2023. The progress is incredible and I am eager to see what the next 5 years will bring. Thanks for this "old timer" review!
First i3 60Ah delivered ten years ago in 2013.
Thanks Bjorn👍 for pushing my current car to the limit (2013 60Ah i3 BEV @130k)
Can't wait🙏 for you to have your hand on its replacement, Volvo EX30 RWD Extended Range
I have the 2017 94ah i3. I drive up into cold Norwegian mountains without a problem skiing and back. I have to offcourse fast charge up there, but using the charging trick before driving works. Today we woke up to completely snowed out outside. 30cm snow on my i3. Ill use the car in 1 hour, so I took it out to put it on the charger last hour, that gets the battery some charge and heat so when I drive, I have full range.
You are soo courageous to do this challenge, in "old" car, with soo many stops, no drive assist, etc. It must be painful. You should do it with the Dacia Spring as it's the most sold electric car in a lot of countries such as France, and based on some of my friends are aweful for long distance.
The Spring is not sold in Norway and Sweden
Spring is a "city" family car, to get kids from school, to go to work and go to the super market. This way you will charge it from once every day, to once every two weeks at home. If you want long distances you'd better get a Tesla or something else with 60+ Kwh battery.
@@chrishar110 don’t you just park next to some wind or sunshine and all’s good? Your advice not mine 🤣
84 perceent SOH 84 percent after 175k... thats not bad imo. most gas engines would start getting issues around this time too.
It is exactly 5 years, and 130 km since a got my Ioniq. I would not have bought an EV if i had not seen this channel. Back then i had to plan my longer trips, now it is chargers all over.
Awesome video. Look how EV motoring has improved. When this car was new how many chargers were there. I bet you ate those buns. 😂😂😂😂.
I am not convinced EVs have gained too much these years. It's still a bad compromise over long distances. I would love to see a head to head race between a petrol and a mainstream EV in the same market/conditions. Good luck
Pleeeeeease 🙏 do the Zoe q90 test with “AC fast charging” - it would be so interesting and so rare to see!
Nice! I just sold my 2014 e-Golf with 160k km. It had a range of about 120 km. It was charged to 100% ever day all these years.
what would be interesting, is exploring the possibility (with Elbilmek or alike) of refurbishing/upgrading the battery, at a reasonable cost, of such cars. Which otherwise would be still very good.
And add a bidirectional charging
Miss your races with Pawel.
How about a race with 40 kWh Leaf and 40 Zoe?
Leaf rapidgates and Zoe more efficient, but only capable of 22 kW AC..
Could be a close one?
Shouldnt be going 110-120 with this one... with my 26kwh dacia spring i mostly drive at 90
Hi Bjorn, my i3 was best around 90..100km in winter. The temp should not be to high inside, put the seatheaters on. Saves you a lot of charging. It coldgates in winter. It needs to drive a lot to warm batteries, batreries are warmed when putting on your seat heaters. Also max 50kW
I was so cold and rainy yesterday, was so thankful to fire up my 2002 Focus ZX3 manual. So much wonderful heater.
I have never eaten @ C-K it may be wortH trying, as I may be seeing my future here, in USA. EAT/SLEEP in my BEV while car charges.
You are doing very good and entertaining work Björn!
My experience is that the i3 is efficient at about 90 kph.
I think it would be a better strategy to drive slowly.
The turtle sometimes win the race against the rabbit! 🙂
When you get tired of long range testing you should maybe try something different...?
Getaway-Oslo would be a challenge that the i3 would perform great in!
Quick math:
500 km / 90 km/h = 5 h 33 min driving
180 Wh/km * 500 km = 90 kWh
(90 kWh - 12 kWh) / 30 kW = 2 h 36 min charging
Add about 10 minutes of overhead and you end up with 8 hours and 19 minutes which is the slowest of them all.
My BMW i3 22kwh does not throttle the charging speed until around 80-90%
i3 is light weight and has an efficient drivetrain, but it is not efficient at 120km/h. The coefficient of drag is 0.30 which is very mediocre. It is worse than the original 2011 Nissan Leaf. Compare that to the likes of Hyundai Ioniq or the Teslas which are class leading at around 0.23-0.24 and as such, far more efficient at motorway speeds
Hi Bjorn.I would like to see a Skoda Citigo or vw e up on this chalenge.32kwh battery.Thanks
The i3 actually had camera based adaptive cruise control and Stau assist with lane keeping until 60 km/h as optional extra. Nice video 😊👌⚡️
You can code it to go higher.
Dacia Spring is going to be for sale in UK start of 2024! 25kwh battery, £21k (approx) Forward to the Past! Combined cold weather range 135km
From my experience, driving between 80 - 100 km/h is perfect for the BMW i3. Otherwise, the consumption will be really high and the small battery will be empty in no time....
Maybe also include the Renault Zoe and the Kia Soul in the 500 km test? Or just try to get all the EV's with roughly the same battery size, VW Up, Dacia Spring, Renault Twingo/ Smart ForTwo, Nissan Leaf... (Were there more? 😂)
Honestly, I noticed on my MG ZS EV (1st gen) that it's actually faster to Drive slower (100-105km/h) and longer charging stops compared to the "classic way" of driving EV's. The charging speed is simple not good enough compared to how much the consumption is. It might be the same case with this i3.
I did an Excel sheet for that once, optimal traveling speed depending on consumption, start / end SOC when charging and the charging curve. For my previous e-Up, 105-110 would have been perfect for a 65 km/h average speed . With my Model 3 now, it's 201 km/h for a 126 km/h average speed
If you can do the 500 kms challenge to the Egolf 35 kWh was wonderfull !!..... Thanks for the great job Bjorn 🎉😊
I have a Kia Soul EV Classic Registered first time 28.09.2015 "2016mod" with almost 200k on odo. It would be interesting to see how one of these perform in your test. (I got a new battery on warranty just before the 7year limit at around 145k on odo due to degradation .)
My Atto 3 sometimes makes a thunk sound. I'm pretty sure it's valves in the AC system switching to change where refrigerant is bring sent, so it can start cooling the cabin or battery.
The 33kWh i3, 94ah has a much better charge curve.
Full speed to 85-87%
You seems to like the classic Ionic, but for the same moeney you could find a Ampera E with new battery. That would be an interesting match. I guess a lot of customers want to know wich car is the best you can get for under 200k nok.
Didn't the i3 start throttling charging when the battery hits 33C? i wonder why the battery temperature is so high... my i3 only gets this hot in summer with 30C outside
My 2013 i3 is absolutely tragic on roadtrips, by now I would’ve thought there would be aftermarket companies selling big batteries for cheap but no, I was wrong…
The 2nd gen e-Golf would be a great candidate! Would love to compare it with the old one
Well I guess the ultimate test would be Mitsubishi iMiev!
I have one that has done about 140k km. It is ridiculous in winter, 25- 30km max range if using heater
Zoe with 43 kW AC should be nice in this test :-D
Almost no 22 kW/43 kW AC in Norway.
It also show how much difference there are to the 33kw from 2017, much more importent than 60 or 75 in a newer car.
Great video as usual, Bjorn!
Suggestion: Smart EQ or ED, a car you have never tested on the channel and it's very common in many European cities, should have some 15-17 kWh battery and 22kw AC charging, so the ultimate challenge but doable hehe
Great idea for a series of videos (and presumably a SHEEEEEEEET") it will help people deciding on which cheaper used car to purchase, but to be fair the i3 isn't built for motorway it's built for city... so it's knd of comparing apples to oranges when comparing to the classic ioniq. The Ioniq does have a mythical efficiency, but I'd still rather have the BMW for my style of driving, the ioniq is a fantastic- more "everyday" car for families etc for sure.
You should do a zoe 40kwh test. I managed 500km in about 7 hours and a half. Where i live type 2 AC is actually more reliable than DC for now.
Maybe you can do the E-up/Mii/Citigo. Did a few long distances in the Citigo (800-900KM), and that is not fun. After 3 times fast charging the charging speed is reduced. So its better not to hammer it, but drive it around 105-110km/h to get the a decent range. The slow charging will not make up for the less range when you drive faster.
Give up nagging about the charge port being on the wrong side. It is Tesla that comes from a US context that does not focus on AC charging as it does not work well there. They messed up for the other manufactureres. And no, a long cable is a bad argument.
Don't forget that Polestar 2, Volvo XC40/C40, Opel Corsa-e, Peugeot e-208/2008, Citroen e-C4/e-C4X, DS3, Hyundai Ioniq 28/38 kWh and many other cars also have the charge port on the left side which is the right side.
@@bjornnyland it depends on your garage where you charge it most, it's perfect in the rear right for me as it doesn't get in the way
The larger battery newer eUP would be good, as they’re almost four years old now
You really should come to Germany and spend some time using public road side AC chargers. I’m almost certain your opinion on which is the right side for the charge port would change…
Port on right side is obvious choice for road side charging
@@danielstefanovic2604 yes of course that works but the you have to wrestle with this monster cable every time even if you only need 2-3 meters.
Also there is a 5m cable included with my car, why should I have to pay for another one?
Did you know that you only need 5 seconds to open the charge port and then plug in? Don't stand there and wait 2 hours... Lol
Would love to know what if any parts have been replaced on these old EV's when you are doing the 500km challenge.
I used to come here for electric car tests, I think from now on it will be for service station food, shame about the donuts.
500k NOK is £38k, quite expensive still I think, but maybe everything costs more in Norway?
I'd be curious to see 5 years+, even better 10 years old, 50k+ on odo, but no upper limit on battery size (unless =50kWh then 1000km challenge), I don't think price is as important, but would be interesting to see what
6:44 Regarding charge speed. Some BMS reduce charge power at low SOC, this is consistent according to their spec sheet..
If a cell is below that voltage, charge current is decreased. This limitation is often around 10% and below.
I love the microwave in the garage!
try to use power cruize control to do the trip and check the battery health
New Fiat 500e with 23,8 kWh would fit this test. Maybe even BIG battery 42 kWh version.
Yes. Björn absolutely love theFiat 500🙈 please be serius Björn is going to be a father again and there are still plenty of adventures coming his way
Mine ID4 also makes some weird sounds in battery area after charging. Never experienced this in Kona, so first times it was freaky and little bit scary.
Maybe it's about time to start parking it on the street.
@@andreasu.3546 it lives on the street by default.
Maybe its a strange idea, but what would you say about a visit at the vw dealer?
Bjorn ia the Bauss of BEV testing.
city cars chalange, like I got ZOE (40KW) drive just in city, small car without any luxury ingridients just how you say (sheeeett)
I don’t think you will ever get traction on the left hand side charging port. It would be better to have a balance between manufacturers to have a 50/50 split, and all things considered this would probably work out best for charger etiquette. It will never happen though.
A 2024 revelation, you can pay for a recharge by card. Wow, such an innovation. 😂
A Nissan Leaf with reasonable battery life.
Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous 2024.
I “trialled” an i3 for a weekend back then, and it fogged up as well, I decided this was a safety issue and skipped that model.
Normally fogging only happens when not driving in ’comfort’ mode. BTW the defogger button is very effective as it utilizes the aircon to dry out the incoming airstream 😊
Smart forfour 453 eq)))
A 22kW AC charging at max, with I think 22kW battery. Very simple car.
The i3 has ACC and steering assist. Just the base model you have does not.
Zoe needs some love. Power to the AC!
Not gonna work in Norway.
@@bjornnylandIt has worked for us. /ZoeBjörn😎
Brilliant idea with a 500km test for old ev’s. Got a Leaf 24kwh ‘14 missing one battery bar. Should I expect mote of it? Could we use it for somehow longer trips than just around town? You did a Bergen trip with a Leaf many years ago, but charging infrastruktur is now better so it might better now? even with batteries degraded a bit? Cant wait for a Leaf 24 test 🤩🤩👍 Greetings from Oslo Norway
So the coming summer my model 3 sr+ goes under the criteria for 500km challenge 😂
Classic Ioniq for the win !
Bjorn, why is the ssangyong korando e-motion not tested, I bought one 2 years ago, not a bad car
I know it was just a joke, but you could get autosteer and even Autobahn Assistant and bigger screen on i3 back tgen, but it was pretty expensive package.
Jesus 8hrs for 500km compared to single fill up for a car and 4 hours.
You can make this test with 64 kWh Kona in summer without driving :D It will be 5 hours :D
Good video, i'm curious how a LEAF 40 would perform
At over +8h and 12 charging stops to do 500km, I can also assure that the 500 km challenge is also useless for EVs with such small batteries, at least for me they are, no chance of catching me doing 500km in this sort of conditions!
These are city dwelling EVs, or at max, city-to-city EVs.
Tks BN
I have to disagree... charge ports should be on the right side, not the left side. The left side isnt the right side. Lol.
Bjorns I3 is left hand drive with the charge port on the right and my right hand drive Corsa E has the hood release & charge port on the left side. These are first world problems ofcorse.
8:01 10:44 No, it did not start throttling.
You are charging at around 2C, by 70% you have already switched stages from CC to CV.
This is not throttling, it's chemistry...
Sounds interesting. 👍 Could you please explain cc/cv? (Owner of 2 i3’s myself)
@@bjarkethanner9263 Classic and basic techniques for charging Lithium batteries: Constant Current (CC) at low SoC (here ~125A at pack level) and Constant Voltage (CV) at high SoC that is not recommended to surpass (here 393V pack, 4.09v at cell level). First gen BMS/EVs mostly stick to these techniques with some variations depending on chemistry and external or internal variables (like temperature, internal resistance, etc etc). For this i3 what suprises me most is the high voltage available at low SoC (~3.8v). It must be something related to these particular Samsung SDI cells designed to last 4500 cycles (I am used to my eCMP BEV cell voltage that travels from ~3.3v at very low SoC to 4.11v at 100% SoC)
Do i-miev/ion/c-zero. The cheapest of the cheapest used evs. I drove Oslo-Stavanger and back twice in a very degraded c-zero
Did they make the map screen so small based on the assumption that the range is so low you only need to view one or two zip codes at a time …
did fiat do a small EV and also maybe a mini EV I'm not sure...
50 Ah? My driver drill has an option for 5 Ah. That’s only 10 drill batteries that this car has in terms of capacity. Unless I’m doing terrible math.
Your drill is at only 18 V. This battery is at 400 V.
Challenge for Bjorn even more than the car
Are there any 39kWh Konas in Norway? I would love to see this test on the small battery Kona
Test the Renault Zoe Q210 with 22kW battery.
I've done about 300mi in my 2017 bmw i3 rex aka 33kwh. would hate to do it in a 22 kwh i3
What about a chalenge with the eGOLF…😊
Which app is recommended now when Car Scanner cost money? Any free ones?