Plato's Symposium: The Dialectic of Reason, Love, and Wisdom
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Wow! "...That's why you can still love someone who isn't around anymore. You are in love with their soul.." Sugrue, YOU SINK ME!
Michael Sugrue: one of the greatest orator's of our time. A man who changed people's lives with his passion for philosophy and his dedication to education. 1957-2014, the lifetime of a remarkable man.
KEEP. THEM. COMING.
I second the motion *adjusts monacle* 🧐
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YES
Keep them coming!
This
"Anytime you fall in love, you'll notice nobody else sees why your lover is as beautiful as you think they are. The reason why is they are looking at the body and you are looking at their soul."
Beautifully put!
Bravo! What a wonderful exposition! We are all the poorer for Prof. Sugrue's passing. Such a scholar, such a great teacher. Too bad the academy is not filled with Prof. Sugrues.
What a wonderful legacy to the world is this channel. I hope it remains for many, many, many years.
Do you mean you like his delivery style, or that you agree with the value judgments he layers within his interpretations of these texts.
Sugrue on the Symposium?! The gods have blessed us again!
0:27 Profound, Poetic, Real, Virtuous.
1:28 Great Art & Philosophy in 1 Work. HARD to do, only Geniuses could produce this.
2:26 Symposium: A Philosophical Drunkeness.
3:23 Athenien aristocrats get together at [Tragedy Prize Winning Author] Agathon's House
7:08 Vice, The Anti-Virtue. Aristophanes, The Anti-Socrates.
8:19 Aristophanes uses comedy to mock Socrates.
9:36 Irony - The Comedian is The Punchline, not the Punch
11:22 Speeches leading to Socrates answer
11:59 Alcebiedes
13:32 The Dialects form a Ring of connection and comprehension.
15:40 Overindulgence is bad for the human body.
17:57 Love explains the Marrow
18:27 Speech 1: Love inspires man to be Virtuous,
20:08 Speech 2: Love is a God, Love helps us reconcile emotion, unifying harmony in the Soul. Connected with Freedom, Autonomy, Virtue.
22:03 Speech 3: Unity of Bodies
23:47 Speech 4: Love is the Origin of Ought
32:18 Speech 5: Love is The Source of Virtue
33:33 Speech 6: Love is not a God, Love is a Spirit which connects. 34:41 Union of Souls in an attempt to yearn for Eternity
37:57 The Ladder of Beauty
• If the marriage lasts into old bodies, Love cared more than for Bodily Beauty. Fall in Love with the Soul, which is Eternal, not the body, which perished in a very short 100 years.
39:48 The Path to Knowledge and Virtue is paved with Love
40:24 Speech 7
41:15 DRINK TILL WERE DRUNK
42:07 Be my lover Socrates
True attractiveness is found in the Soul
43:22 Can’t argue with that.
ATTACK SYRACUSE
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44:51 Drunk Rowdy Noise.You can’t talk reason to these people.
46:20 Art & Literature
Tragic Poet writes Comedy
Comic Poet writes Tragedy
47:35 Organize one’s soul. Upgrade from bronze to Soul Silver & Gold
Omg thanks
Ur a legend tysm
Rest in Peace Michael. I loved all your talks and lectures.
Bright lights, impersonal, no podium to hide behind, and your ideas, your conversation, your logos, your willingness to engage in/with(?) the logos shines forth. I dig it.
Why are the people in the audience constantly coughing?
Ahhh. The symposium and Sugrue. An match made in Heaven
Michael Sugrue is that teacher we all wished to have when we were in school. Such a joy! After each course I feel to read the author he speaks of in Complete Works. This is a divine gift. Thank you so much for these lectures!!!
I hear you brother. I only had one professor on his level in 8 years of college. If I had 2 or 3 I would be a very different man, for the better lmao
Thank you Dr. Sugrue
Dr Sugrue, thank you so much for all these lectures and all your time and talent given to this field. I have learned immensely from you and hope you know how much you are appreciated. God bless.
Yes!!! What a gift to wake up to!!!!
What a nice way this profess imparts his speech, walking around straight forward recalling his lines from memory; the rhetoric of his body language and story telling of history-a genius. I love to listen, in every phrase is...Im learning.
How do you know there is an audience there, and no cue cards? You are viewing from the Platonic cave of the camera angle.
Dr. Sugrue's storytelling is fantastic.
RIP Doc
To quote an old radio phrase; "And the hits just keep on comin'!" Thank you Dr. Sugrue.
May the Legend Rest In Power!
I love these lectures. They don't even feel like lectures.
So many insights and such infectious enthusiasm. Thanks so much!
Thanks for another wonderful lecture.
Please , put year of lecture too . Thank you for your hard work and shared knowledge 🗽🗽🇺🇸🇺🇸👍👍
just stumbled on this after reading the text my God what a wonderful lecture
And now my day is better.
Good quote at 35:30
“Love is the yearning for eternity”
Thanks Prof. Dr. Sugrue for all these interesting, mind blowing and fantastic lectures. I have discovered your lectures before s year, since then I have watched all of them, and recommended some of my best friends to watch. We agreed all of us, that you are one of the most amazing, intelligent and articulate Professors of the world.
Here I have a very personal question to you . Can you tell us how could you read all these works of these pioneering Philosophers? What had motivated to you to learn and teach Philosophy?
Please tell us about you and your biography... bcs i find it very interesting and inspiring ...
Love is the longing for eternity.
Thank you 🙏🏼
Hello Dr. Sugrue. Your lectures have been helpful and insightful with regards to understanding the various major themes of western philosophy. Having listened to most of them 2-3 time, are there any other lecturers you could recommend that show equal enthusiasm and unbiased opinions regarding similar topics? Ty in advance.
25:57 "Aristophanes gives us a wonderful myth, and its just like poets, when they don't know what they're talking about, to think of some myth that's dangerous to themselves, and dangerous to others. It indicates their complete lack of understanding of the nature of philosophy and virtue and goodness."
The Good Doctor says this as an aside, like it's a personal thought just as likely to be tossed away and kept personal, but it's such a poetic statement in and of itself. Dare I say the potential dialogue between Dr. Sugrue & Lex Fridman on the topic of philosophy & love in some parallel universe would be worthy of documentation.
I love this
amazing
I have lust for this lecture
Wow, you're really showing that bronze soul of yours.
@@rockycomet4587 more my bronze hooves.
@@YeeWhoEnterHere bhahahhahaha
Love it
Spark notes has nothing on Prof. Sugrue 🔥
RIP Dr Sugrue, you are now with your old bearded buddies talking smack and having fun in heaven.
I just heard his death after almost 1 month, Rip
I wonder what Plato would have been like after 12 Stella.
Boredom leads to Stella leads to loss of control. I wish it didn't.
Thank you for uploading this
Aristophanes is not just talking about himself and his "low" sex desires. Lust is for almost everybody a big drive.
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So THAT'S what platonic means. cool.
Actually, Platonic means Form Based. That's what Plato was all about. Forms.
Beautiful soul? Socrates?? You gotta be kidding 🙄. I've listened to literally hundreds of hours of philosophy lectures--Sugrue, Roderick, West. The three most hypocritical philosophers have got to be Socrates, Nietzsche, and Marcuse. (Give me Marcus Aurelius any day of the week!)
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im pretty sure Aristophanes may have been fkn w/u guys, dictate that he was.. (õ_- )\/
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I'm sorry, but Aristophanes kind of rules. He sounds like the Larry David of his time.
Haha ⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️
What are Professor Sugrue's thoughts on Leo Strauss's interpretation of the Symposium? He is much more sympathetic to Aristophanes's point of view, casting the conflict between Aristophanic and Socratic wisdom as a primordial conflict between poetry and philosophy as a source of wisdom. I feel as though Plato is far too deep, far too lurid and intentional with his writing to simply cast Aristophanes as a representative of Bronze morality.
I personally interpret the narrative course of the Symposium as representative of the incompatibility of philosophy with the tendencies of human social life (drunken revelry, sexual indulgence, concerns over petty pride, etc.). The image of Socrates as an isolated, grim figure at the end of the symposium, his wisdom scorned by his fellow men as they cheer and laugh around him is moving, and leads me to believe that Plato included an implicit criticism of the philosophic life within the Symposium. It is incompatible with the casual enjoyment of the company one's fellow people. Most people simply don't care enough to lead their souls out of the cave, out of "dogmatic slumber," meaning that Socrates's attempt to dispense wisdom at a drinking party was a kind of hubristic struggle. The flood of people at the end can be seen as an analogue to Sisyphus's boulder rolling back down the hill. Why did he try anyway if men like Alcibiades will storm in and overtake delicate philosophical discussion? Alcibiades, whose passion led men to destroy their native Athens in a hubristic struggle over Sicily, is the harbinger of an equivalent torrent of passion and wanton destruction over the symposium. Socrates can either be seen here as a lone beacon of light or a man blind to the nature of how wisdom should be dispensed among the masses. The masses do not listen to intricate logic, they listen to myths and jocularity (aristophanes) or sex and physical beauty (alcibiades). In a more sympathetic interpretation of Aristophanes, poetry (myth) may be a better way to raise the souls of the average man and woman, although the comic's speech sure leaves its audience wanting for wisdom.
Pleas make a philosophical reflection about the symposium
Rest In Peace Dr. Thank you for your helpful lectures.
I just discovered him a couple weeks ago👍👍 he's great .. The way he breaks things down into simple terms and ideas that I can understand.... Boy I wish I'd have found him years ago... The teaching and philosophical world is one great mind less!
I didn’t even know he was sick??
@@ryanskynet6423 yeah... Sad.... He was a natural born teacher. Well we still have his great lectures.
@@ryanskynet6423Aristophanes... this guy sounds like a real jerk!
@@petersantospago1966😢best ever
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I just found out that Dr Sugrue died yesterday. I'm very sad; it's as if I lost a friend.
I only discovered him about six or seven months ago. And it's only been a week or so since I found his recently-produced videos.
I had so much more to learn from him.
It would have been phenomenal to have sat down and had a talk with him (though my knowledge of history and philosophy are vastly inferior to his).
"Love is the yearning for eternity;
It is the longing for immortality."
The line.
Did the 5 min chat with Dr. Sugrue yesterday. Highly recommend it. Show your appreciation for this awesome professor. TY Dr. Sugrue for the great content.
What did you ask him and what was his answer? favourite quote?
How does one acquire the five minutes with Dr Sugrue?
@@BadGameanhilator I asked him about what advice he had for me as a father raising 2 kids. Asked him about his favorite commentary on Plato book. Also asked him about a few other things. But we only had 5 minutes (although he was kind enough to go over even though I can tell he had more calls waiting). It was a treat to get to speak with him and show my appreciation anyway I can for all that he has made available for us.
@@username1235400 Oh that is kind of him. What advice did he have for raising 2 kids? What was his favorite commentary on Plato book? Also can you remember what else you asked?
@@historicusjoe121 How do we arrange the 5 minute chat with Professor Sugrue?
Man getting these uploads is really like the youtube version of finding out your Saturday morning cartoons are all new as a kid. It's gonna be lamentable when these run out.
I LOVE that analogy! Well done, sir!!!
sugrue still lives and loves
he is going on forever lecturing to the demos
Such a wonderful quote: "We've made divinities of our vices but we've also created art to justify them."
Such a wonderful quote: "What it is is..."
One of his best lectures ever, IMHO. Along with the famous and passionate one on Marcus Aurelius, of course.
Nietzsche ones go off for me
Off topic question for Dr Sugrue, what was it like to study with Mircea Eliade at the University of Chicago? What was the most important thing you learned from him?
woah, I didn't know that! I'm from Romania and I love Eliade and Cioran. It would be so awesome so hear Michael Sugrue talk about Eliade in a Q&a. One of my favourite teachers was studying with one of my favourite authors! Thank you for your question, Chris!
@@BogdanLiviu7 Pretty sure he mentioned it in a podcast seminar, not sure which one
@@RNCM_Philosophy if you remember please let me know (I ll rewatch them all 😁)
People don’t understand the paradigm shift of the Information Age. I am a giraffe and I am learning from the wisest person in the world...how magnificent
It’s incredible. I got into philosophy in 2010. It was a living hell trying to learn the fundamentals before stuff like this started on UA-cam
Dr. Sugre, love this one. I listened several times. I love all your philosophy lectures. I hope you are feeling well. Thank you sir. ❤️
Such an inspiring teacher.
Incredibly. No illustrious intellectual confusing jargon, he’s truly a master of his craft
I swear it feels like there’s an infinite amount of these lectures. And I’m reaping all the benefits
Looking forward to this one! Best regards from us at the RNCM 😊
Amazing speaker. Love these lectures. Thank you for sharing
The music at the beginning of these lectures always puts me in the mood to learn.
Right! It's the perfect intro. Chamber music, like Mozart.
brandenburg concerto no. 2 in f major, bwv 1047- i.
@Raditya Rasyid Thank you!
Rest in Peace 🕊️
A rare gem of a teacher.
"Socrates problem is that he thinks a little too much. It's not normal, it's not healthy."
I'm in this video and I don't like it! 😆
Wow, all afternoon I was listening to the Republic-I and all Plato's Republic lectures again and suddenly this appeared in my UA-cam feed. Just when I wondered why I didn't see this video ever before, I noticed the date! A BIG THANKS TO YOU FOR UPLOADING THESE GEMS
Dr. Sugrue is one of the few people that I legitimately get sad when I remember is no longer with us.
Contrast the element of storytelling that Michael does compared to a dry academic format. I actually retain this information because it’s interesting!
Read the Symposium recently, looking forward to the good professor's view on the work. Thanks Michael
Thank you, Professor.
The simposium
Rest in Peace Teacher. 🙏
I read this several months ago, as well as reading The Clouds, The Republic, Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics, etc., and I could not have a more divergent interpretation. To me it feels as if this work represents the polyphony of love and art, each one brings with them some aspect of love that cannot be suppressed or remade, and Plato's attempt to impress one meaning on it is in a way upstaged by Alcibiades cry of raw emotion, connexion, physicality, belonging, need, and devotion. Neither he, nor Aristophanes, who discusses the beautiful doctrine of the other half, can be conclusively defeated. Their love, is also love, too - they are reflections of the complex and beautiful crystal of human harmony.
EDIT: Unfortunately, it seems like Dr. Michael Sugrue recently passed away, may he rest in peace. I mean no disrespect in my comment, merely noting I have a very different interpretation than he seems to have.
What a beautiful lecture. This has tremendous value.
Sugrue's lectures made me re read pretty much all the platonic dialogues. Many thanks for these amazing lectures and insights
Do you feel smarter having read them? How has it changed you?
@@Blunttalker am god now
Ooooo one of my favourite Socrates dialogues of all time. This helped me understand a lot about how the Greeks viewed their gods.
Dear Teacher Michael, Great respect. Yet, forget about love, they talk about ΕΡΩΣ.(and the name is Αγάθων, not Άγαθων but never mind that) You inspire and move ! A Greek friend,
Demetrios.
First love - what a change it makes in a lad! What a magnificent secret it is that he carries about with him! The tender passion gushes instinctively out of a man’s heart. He loves as a bird sings or a rose blooms, from nature.
- Stanley Kubrick, Barry Lyndon
106K subscribers! Awesome. I hope it keeps growing.
I know that Socrates was very unattractive, especially his facial features. However, rather than being "fat" wasn't he actually swole?
I'm pretty sure I remember learning that he was very well muscled and even into old age. Furthermore, I believe he put high emphasis on keeping the body healthy through diet and exercise so that the negative consequences of not doing so wouldn't interfere with higher reasoning.
Not only do I remember learning this pretty clearly, but I also recall Internet Historian making a joke that Socrates would always get into people's faces like "huh huh huh" and everyone individually was really afraid of him because he was swole. Last, even the famous painting, "Death of Socrates" has his muscles toned well into old age.
I'm pretty certain he wasn't "fat"... Anyone know about this?
New Sugrue just dropped. Love these lectures - they are an inspiration for my own teaching. The fan based community is amazing too. Thank you so much!
My ears got through this like champs!
Doesn't anybody among Socrates' and Plato's friends work? Oh, yeah, the ones who are not present: Xanthippe and the other women. I get it now: the other 50% of the population. I guess you just had to be in Athens at that time to understand....
Absolute gold from beginning to end! Thank you for sharing your incredible knowledge with the world.
I agree with the homosexual aspect and I also think that's why you see transgender as well...hence why they feel trapped in the body of another sex or whatever.
Great channel Michael!
This guy is like the Carl Sagan of philosophy. He even sounds somewhat similar.
Hats' off to the Dept. of Philosophy at Columbia U. One of the finest in the world.
I made the same episode but more simply explained->ua-cam.com/video/vppvXdfFfmg/v-deo.html
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Very good lecture about my favorite work of literature. Prof. S’s take on Aristophanes as playing the villain of the piece is fascinating.
This was uploaded by some random user. It's so fucking good.
Love this lecture, one of Sugrue's best!
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6:33 Aristophanes is a loser, Socrates knew it and he is responsible for the bad reputation of socrates that led to his death sentence.