I really wish that more reference material had been shared. I have run a search on the Martyr's Mirror and Ps. 24 isn't referenced in then entire work. I know that this is a quite crude approximation for the entirety of Anabaptist thought however it would have been confirming to find at least one reference there.
This is a worthy research project. I think that this article can give a brief outline: anabaptistwiki.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Meserete_Kristos_Church,_Ethiopia
I believe in the Anabaptist. But I have a question, are they evangelical? Why don't they have shows on programs like, TBN, Jim Bakker s PTL, And Daystar? Are they out discipling others, other than those in their communities?
Don't believe in the Anabaptist. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. I found Christ while living among Anabaptists; there are many different kinds of them. Some are not evangelistic; they do not invite anyone (indeed, some of these, I am sad to say, do not seem to know about the new birth). Others are evangelistic, but do not appear on shows because these shows are not necessary, since the Lord said to "preach the gospel to every creature", without mentioning shows. In some cases this understanding is clear, and in other cases it is simply because of traditionally rejecting excessive technology. Others have adopted modern things for almost everything, including preaching, in order to reach a wider audience; sometimes this is at the expense of certain beneficial aspects of personal contact and community. However, in general, "shows" are not agreeable to Anabaptists, since most of their important teaching has historically been centered on practical discipleship, which is not suited to TV or radio shows, but is taught by living with others and learning in day-to-day life.
I have done some more online research and by any objective measure, AP owes an explanation to it's audience as to how an individual affiliated with an LGBTQ affirming college as well as the leftist, social justice oriented MennoMedia ended up being platformed on your podcast. Not only that, but Mr. Roth made some very problematic statements on a previous AP podcast that very much paralleled a philosophy associated with the former emergent church/current progressive christianity. This is no exagerration. I encourage your listeners to do their own research on this. Are you willing to address this on a future podcast?
Good evening, Wayne. Thank you for your concern for our transparency and integrity. This is something we also care about. We are aware of John's prior employment with Goshen College, his church affiliation, and his publisher. Some of these details are included in his bio that's posted on our website. Like you, we encourage our listeners to research the topics we address, and, when our guests have done public work, to feel free to examine their books and other online presence. If you haven't already found it, I recommend to you "Our Values and Approach." To find it, 1. Go to our "About" page: anabaptistperspectives.org/about/ 2. Find the red box called "Our Conversations." 3. Click "Read More" 4. Scroll down to "Our Values and Approach." This document articulates the way we think about our guests, particularly those whose church affiliation isn't central to that of our typical guest roster.
@AnabaptistPerspectives You seem to be another trying to impress the world. We must never put the WORLD before GOD, as the bible instructs, no matter the Earthly cost. Your response is not biblical. Period.
Thanks Wayne, yes John comes from a church group that is at a quite different place in many ways than the Anabaptist Perspectives team and the vast majority of our guests. We appreciate the historical work that John has done and his work in understanding global Anabaptism in the present, and believe that we as conservative Anabaptists can benefit from the wide-angle view that John gives of these topics.
@@AnabaptistPerspectives I appreciate you taking the time to respond but don't you think there should be a litmus test for orthodoxy before coming on the podcast? Based on his affiliation with Goshen as well as comments attributed to him in an article published by Anabaptist World regarding a collaboration project on Anabaptist 500 cast a bit of a shadow. The LGBTQ issue cannot be treated as an in-house debate. It is hard-core dividing line between Christian and non-Christian. I encourage you to do some thorough background checks on all guests before platforming them in a positive light. If Mr. Roth takes a biblical stance on the LGBTQ issue, he shouldn't be affiliated with those that do.
Yes. Anabaptist churches support evangelistic programs and organizations, and those who are not involved in these formal structures also seek ways to communicate the Gospel to others.
Allowing that MCUSA and conservative Anabaptists can collaborate on projects is controversial by nature, and none of us can change that. Realizing that the outstanding 1500s leaders were all better educated than any I know in conservative Anabaptist settings today is sobering to me. I know John a little bit, and have felt from him a respect beyond anything I had reason to expect. I would plead with critics to allow that as something good once came out of Nazareth, so we ought not assume God has not His 7,000 faithful in any given other denomination.
Actually some started out really wealthy and learned about rejecting class-based dress designations later (i.e. concept of cologne). Then, the Dutch Anabaptists became very wealthy and one even commissioned Rembrandt to paint him and his wife. The Martyr's Mirror was written to wealthy Dutch Anabaptists, that's why it had so many illustrations and is such a large volume. Buying a copy of the Martyr's Mirror would probably have cost as much or more than jewelry.
I felt like this episode should have ended with an alter call.
Really was convicted by this episode ❤
Thanks for that encouraging comment. I think this was one of my favorite interviews, ever. John has a lot of wisdom.
I really wish that more reference material had been shared. I have run a search on the Martyr's Mirror and Ps. 24 isn't referenced in then entire work. I know that this is a quite crude approximation for the entirety of Anabaptist thought however it would have been confirming to find at least one reference there.
Very interesting! Where did the Ethiopian Anabaptists come from? What is their history? These are definitely some new thoughts for me.
This is a worthy research project. I think that this article can give a brief outline: anabaptistwiki.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Meserete_Kristos_Church,_Ethiopia
I believe in the Anabaptist. But I have a question, are they evangelical? Why don't they have shows on programs like, TBN, Jim Bakker s PTL, And Daystar? Are they out discipling others, other than those in their communities?
Yes. Anabaptists are evangelistic.
Don't believe in the Anabaptist. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. I found Christ while living among Anabaptists; there are many different kinds of them.
Some are not evangelistic; they do not invite anyone (indeed, some of these, I am sad to say, do not seem to know about the new birth).
Others are evangelistic, but do not appear on shows because these shows are not necessary, since the Lord said to "preach the gospel to every creature", without mentioning shows. In some cases this understanding is clear, and in other cases it is simply because of traditionally rejecting excessive technology.
Others have adopted modern things for almost everything, including preaching, in order to reach a wider audience; sometimes this is at the expense of certain beneficial aspects of personal contact and community.
However, in general, "shows" are not agreeable to Anabaptists, since most of their important teaching has historically been centered on practical discipleship, which is not suited to TV or radio shows, but is taught by living with others and learning in day-to-day life.
I have done some more online research and by any objective measure, AP owes an explanation to it's audience as to how an individual affiliated with an LGBTQ affirming college as well as the leftist, social justice oriented MennoMedia ended up being platformed on your podcast. Not only that, but Mr. Roth made some very problematic statements on a previous AP podcast that very much paralleled a philosophy associated with the former emergent church/current progressive christianity. This is no exagerration. I encourage your listeners to do their own research on this.
Are you willing to address this on a future podcast?
Good evening, Wayne. Thank you for your concern for our transparency and integrity. This is something we also care about.
We are aware of John's prior employment with Goshen College, his church affiliation, and his publisher. Some of these details are included in his bio that's posted on our website. Like you, we encourage our listeners to research the topics we address, and, when our guests have done public work, to feel free to examine their books and other online presence.
If you haven't already found it, I recommend to you "Our Values and Approach." To find it,
1. Go to our "About" page: anabaptistperspectives.org/about/
2. Find the red box called "Our Conversations."
3. Click "Read More"
4. Scroll down to "Our Values and Approach."
This document articulates the way we think about our guests, particularly those whose church affiliation isn't central to that of our typical guest roster.
@AnabaptistPerspectives You seem to be another trying to impress the world. We must never put the WORLD before GOD, as the bible instructs, no matter the Earthly cost. Your response is not biblical. Period.
@waynemershon4622 This channel's responses to you don't seem biblical.
Honest question:
How can AP give a platform to a professor from a liberal mennonite college that is LGBTQ affirming?
Thanks Wayne, yes John comes from a church group that is at a quite different place in many ways than the Anabaptist Perspectives team and the vast majority of our guests. We appreciate the historical work that John has done and his work in understanding global Anabaptism in the present, and believe that we as conservative Anabaptists can benefit from the wide-angle view that John gives of these topics.
@@AnabaptistPerspectives I appreciate you taking the time to respond but don't you think there should be a litmus test for orthodoxy before coming on the podcast? Based on his affiliation with Goshen as well as comments attributed to him in an article published by Anabaptist World regarding a collaboration project on Anabaptist 500 cast a bit of a shadow.
The LGBTQ issue cannot be treated as an in-house debate. It is hard-core dividing line between Christian and non-Christian.
I encourage you to do some thorough background checks on all guests before platforming them in a positive light.
If Mr. Roth takes a biblical stance on the LGBTQ issue, he shouldn't be affiliated with those that do.
@@waynemershon4622 thanks for telling it how it is… very few people care about truth in America these days
Do the Anabaptist Go into the World and preach the Gospel? Not only to the unbelievers, but only to the Professing Believers?
Yes. Anabaptist churches support evangelistic programs and organizations, and those who are not involved in these formal structures also seek ways to communicate the Gospel to others.
Allowing that MCUSA and conservative Anabaptists can collaborate on projects is controversial by nature, and none of us can change that. Realizing that the outstanding 1500s leaders were all better educated than any I know in conservative Anabaptist settings today is sobering to me.
I know John a little bit, and have felt from him a respect beyond anything I had reason to expect. I would plead with critics to allow that as something good once came out of Nazareth, so we ought not assume God has not His 7,000 faithful in any given other denomination.
Thanks for sharing that Steven.
I doubt the anabaptists in the Martyrs Mirror would have worn a ring 💍
...or watched UA-cam 🤣
Actually some started out really wealthy and learned about rejecting class-based dress designations later (i.e. concept of cologne). Then, the Dutch Anabaptists became very wealthy and one even commissioned Rembrandt to paint him and his wife. The Martyr's Mirror was written to wealthy Dutch Anabaptists, that's why it had so many illustrations and is such a large volume. Buying a copy of the Martyr's Mirror would probably have cost as much or more than jewelry.
LOL
@@rebekahmuiInteresting story
Sounds like he didn't work to hard , with his hands , maybe I'm wrong