Huh, I never knew Cyrus's theme was different on the second loop. Personally, I'm kinda glad that it went unnoticed for so long. Feels like a little hidden detail only a select few know about which is always facinating.
I think Cyrus theme and N's are some of the best in the series. (With N's theme there is also something i can't quite point but i have to say the final battle theme of N as champ was something that can't be quite replicated same goes for cyrus's original theme).
The OG Ghetsis theme from BW. The harp like instrument that plays at 0.55sec is replaced by another in its second loop around 5.01secs. More audible with earphones
I literally waited forever for someone to point this out. I always loved Cyrus theme for its build up and key changes halfway through. It enthralled me the first time I heard it. So imagine my bewilderment when other people claim his theme sucks or is “too long”. Like really what? This is also why I will never forgive those who make tierlists for music but refuse to listen to the whole track. Then claim it’s terrible. Like a certain a Pokemon UA-camr did not so long ago. Now you finally set the record straight.
I might know who you’re talking about This is also how I feel about Eternatus’s regular battle theme and Arceus’s Legends theme. They’re fantastic but people don’t want to listen for more than a few seconds. Eternatus’s theme is such a banger yet I see it rank low on a lot of peoples lists.
Props to you for spotting the change… I searched YT and couldn’t find one with the B loop either. Someone will just need to record their in-game music.
04:55 I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure that Kyurem's theme in XY onwards is just the disc version of reshiram/zekrom looped from the second part, so you always just hear version A, then BBBB.
It’s been a while since I heard anyone talk about that, so I might be a bit off on this. All three members of the Tao Trio use unique versions of their shared theme. Reshiram and Zekrom have fire and lightning effects in their respective versions, while Kyurem has small portions missing and has a slap bass present. That’s the stuff noticeable right off the bat at least.
@@CaptainObliviousV Yeah the version on the soundtrack for BW is both reshiram and zekrom (with one first loop, then the other), and the way I remember it they just used that exact one for all of them post gen 5 Also, kyurems funky version is by far the best one
The DPP theme for Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf also cycles between three different tones when it loops. The version of the track used in USUM and ORAS doesn't retain this though
Oh...that's interesting. If it's intentional, it's not unusual for Masuda. He did something pretty similar multiple times with the original Pokémon Red & Blue soundtrack, and they weren't noticed until someone tried to transcribe the entire soundtrack to sheet music. It can be heard in Professor Oak's theme, Lavender Town and Pokémon Mansion. There's a video that explains it called "Loops Within Loops: A Modular Approach to Mystery in Pokemon Red and Blue ". TLDR; The Game Boy has 4 audio channels (3 wave channels and a noise channel for percussion), and the Pokémon Mansion theme had the channels at loop at different fractional points. This causes all the channels to go out of sync over time, and the music won't properly complete its "nested loop" (the point when the 4 channels align again) until after 8 hours. So until someone there records 8 straight hours of in-game audio, there is no accurate audio rip of this theme on UA-cam. Of course, neither FRLG nor LGPE faithfully recreated this aspect of the theme, they kind of "cheat" the loop.
A lot of Evil Team bosses have fantastic themes, but none quite stick with me like Cyrus' does. It's just so catchy and memorable, even taking nostalgia aside.
i thought i was the only one who noticed & loved the second loop of cyrus’s theme :’) they didn’t include it in the bdsp version which made me very sad but, oh well
Always noticed this one since i LOVE this song alot. Glad that you notice this too. Cyrus' theme is simply epic. Sounds menacing, twisted and of course majestic. Fitting theme for a sociopathic, uncaring, serious, yet charismatic evil team leader
Funnily enough, this seems to be an issue with the actual programming of the song LOL MIDI Players and probably Chiptune players return to the value of any kind of message (In this case, CC events Instrument Change and Pitch Wheel) when the song is returned to a X position, even if it wasn't specified again at that position (The start of loop in this case), so what that can mean? If there's not a new event at loop start's position, DS may not return to the value it was playing on the first loop, so it continues to have the value it has reaching the end of the loop while playing the full loop, so, that's why it happens just from 2nd loop and everytime after it, in fact, the actual sequence from the song is just the "Intro" and just one loop, if that was made on purpose, the song probably contained a copy of the loop played with the differences, but it hasn't, or well, that may remained by mistake and Masuda DID notice that, didn't know why it happened (Or yes) but left it as it was. It may also not be a mistake, as the official version from Pokémon Diamond & Pearl Super Music Collection is played with the higher pitch instruments and "wrong" instruments just after starting again from the loop, so idk, is just a theory Edit: I was right, Masuda programmed wrong the song LOL The "Pop Bass" does a full +12 semitones rise, and *IT NEVER RETURNS TO 0 AGAIN*, so it is infinitely playing one full octave up in the rest of loops, and so it does the organ because it's played at the same channel lmfao. It seems that there's not any Instrument Change event issue as i thought, and that "Second Loop issue" is just channel 6 from the song playing one octave higher than it was meant to be played, so it just affects instrument played at that channel, that are the Organ, Orchestra Hit, "Pop Bass", Trumpet, and that "strange SFX" (Which is actually the general Electric Guitar instrument the game uses, and the responsible for the issue, because after that, the organ is played again, but now at one octave higher but due to the Pitch Wheel remains at 1200 cents which is +12 semitones or a full octave up), so that means... There's not a single difference with the percussion you've pointed out lol, is just the Orchestra Hit playing one octave higher
I had a feeling this was the answer, I use SynthFont quite a lot so I had a suspicion it was intended to always sound like the first loop but it ends up using the second one because of what you just stated. I also had a feeling it was a midi glitch because when I ripped the soundtrack it only extended to 2 minutes and 10 seconds, which is just shy of triggering the loop. I then thought: "Maybe he programmed the game to change the midi to do this?" But you thankfully supported my suspicion of thi being a glitch. So the ones on UA-cam with only the first loop are the right ones in the end as it was intended to be heard that way. Thanks man.
FINALLY! Someone else that knows this... I'm pretty sure there are other loop changeups in certain other tracks before Gen 4, but I think they've actually gone the same way - forgotten by the fans and ultimately not replicated in their respective remakes.
For some reason there's also a section of Cyrus' theme that sounds like the Star Wars Episode 5 music during the Asteroid Field chase, which makes sense considering the whole space theme of Gen 4
You know, I might be thinking too far but this ABBBBB.... format *might* be a representation of Cyrus` goals for a new world. A is the normal world, and B is Cyrus` ideal world, Cyrus made changes to A and now its B and its not reversing on any loop. The original loop is destroyed, then recreated almost as it was before, but with some permanent "improvements", which is what Cyrus aims to do with the whole universe. Still, symbolism or not, it makes the theme more awesome.
Honestly, I never realized that the in-game mixes of Pokémon music are actually changed up like this from the soundtrack mixes. Aside from a handful of obvious examples (e.g., Village Bridge (BW SMC), the Red and Blue tracks on the XY Super Music Collection, etc.) they just sound like the in-game mixes when casually listening to them (ignoring the audio quality differences). The only track with minor differences that I really know of is the battle theme for Reshiram and Zekrom, which has different sound effects play for each dragon in-game (flames and thunder respectively), while the soundtrack version combines the two versions and splits the sound effects across two loops.
This is actually fantastic to know - thank you so much for this! There's actually something similar in SV - the Team Star Boss battle theme has a different guitar solo on the 2nd loop, as well as a different drum pattern in the final segment. While it alternates between the loops, instead of going ABBBB, it's still a really interesting touch, especially as once again, most pokémon music uploaders seem to have missed this and thus only posted the 1st half of a 7-minute theme. So you know - interesting added touches in Pokémon music.
(Check replies!!) Oh my god wow, this is extremely interesting. It almost doesn’t feel intentional, like volume settings used later in the song aren’t cancelled out in the loop. I’ve never heard of any song, not just in pokemon, having a second loop this slightly different. You know what, I’m going to test something. I have a program that extracts the music straight from the game, so I’m going to see exactly what’s happening there. But this is super cool and I commend you for noticing a detail I never did. Thank you for this video!!
So, I'm looking at the sequence data ripped straight from the game. And immediately I can see that the sequence data for the song is exactly as long as one loop through, at... 2:03, which isn't where you said the loop point was but I know this is being ripped straight from the game. I've saved these sequences before and sometimes, even often, they include a little extra instead of EXACTLY the loop length. Which could even be the problem, supporting my theory before. Actually, the more I listen, I hear that the repeating countermelody (the part very noticeably different in the last section you showed, usually played on the organ) seems to have moved up an octave. Which again, isn't reflected in the sequence AT ALL. Oh my god, I figured it out (this one part at least). Ok, so the channel with this organ instrument that goes up the octave, it also includes the reverse cymbal percussive instrument that builds up into the key change. So, when that cymbal part occurs, they're altering the pitch of the whole channel, and it conveniently goes up exactly an octave. So, I'm 99% sure that when the song loops, the octave change accidentally isn't reset. So that entire channel stays an octave too high for the rest of the playback. This is actually OBSERVABLE in the original OST version all over UA-cam, because this same organ part is one octave higher than it's supposed to be according to the sequence data, because the pitch change isn't reset. Based on this, I assume that all of the other changes result from this too, from the loop causing certain parameters to not be reset. For my money, it's not intentional. But it IS really really cool!!!
tl;dr, The different loop doesn't seem to be intentional, because the song's sequence data doesn't include this second section, and is instead created by the song looping without certain parameters changing back to what they're supposed to be. This is most noticeable with the countermelody heard throughout the song (including the part pointed out in this video as the most obviously different), because it ends up an octave higher than it's supposed to be.
@@sweetpie8 Yes, this is the only track I know of that does this. Someone with more knowledge of the DS would be who to turn to to figure out exactly why the glitch occurs. All I can say is that it almost definitely does happen.
Oh thank you for doing that, I was considering doing it myself but I'm glad someone else had the same idea! It's pretty funny that a glitch happens to enhance a song tho isn't it?
Another one is also Barry's theme I have the cd and a gamerip version with which the cd cuts off to the last few seconds towards the second loop. The 2nd loop on the gamerip I have includes the Barry loop.
I remember 11 year old me being so intimidated hearing this theme for the first time, then fighting him after he had awoken Palkia (i was playing Pearl) it was a moment of feeling intimidation by a video game villain i will never forget
I think the structure of this song is because of Cyrus desire to redo the universe, so his theme plays once in one way, and then when it starts again, its different and stays different from there on, like his desire to redesign the universe
I'm pretty sure R/S/E's Gym Leader theme also changes on the second loop. On the first loop, the part after the intro has horns and a string ensemble. But when it loops, the horns are replaced with more strings. And it also follows the abbbb format. Though you probably won't read this, so maybe writing this was a waste of time.
Thank you for giving attention to the fact that almost all uploads of this song got it wrong! Pokeli's "enhanced" EQ edit bothers me especially This is comparable to people putting reverb on gameboy music, the original music is so hard to find As a VGM composer and VGM lover myself, i think it's super important that YT uploads respect the original song
Although it may be as I started with Unova, one of my favorite themes can be both of the Undella Town themes, Colress's battle, and the Elite 4. This looping effect with Cyrus reminds me of the differences of Marble Garden Act 1 and Act 2, or Mushroom Hill Act 1 and Act 2. Intensified drums, all the more urgency.
Controversial opinion: I agree that Pokémon music has mostly been consistently good (except gen 3's _dweeeh_ GBA trumpets, and parts of the XY, USUM and SwSh OSTs can be boring), but disagree with the popular opinion that it's been consistently _great._ The only time when nearly an _entire_ OST was truly _great_ was ORAS in my humble onion - which, duh, it's gen 3's great compositions orchestrated! Of course it's fantastic.
@@inconemay1441 Yes. The GBA has no dedicated sound chip; its sound is processed by the CPU. Long story short, it creates a very strange range of sounds in a sort of objectively subpar way, and thus compositions for GBA have to be made very carefully... lest you get DWEEEH DWIIIH DWOOOH.
Although Cyrus is very criticized by a part of the community, I think he’s the best pokemon’s villain of all time. I mean not only his characterization’s cool, but also his purpose is probably the meanest ever
Gireum, have you tried checking some other language rips of this OST? I don't know if the link that I have given is the same thing that you have discovered in Battle! Cyrus's weird OST glitch(?), but I'm just sharing the link. If you are still interested. Thanks for talking about this in the vid! I always like watching discussions and theories videos of some Pokemon stuff. Here's the link, I hope it's the correct one: ua-cam.com/video/oC4QP1xhhM4/v-deo.html
We don't care about who is first! Cancer comment! Be more original next time if you can! Unless it's too difficult for someone with no personality like you! I'm more than tired of people still writing the same crap. You're probably going to tell me to ignore this comment, but the problem is that I've been patient for years, genius. The solution would be to have less gender commentary. But that's too much to ask for someone like you. (Sorry, I'm just countering the arguments that many people gave me.) It's just that it's very tiring to see the same kind of comments. If you have nothing original and relevant to say, then shut up. You can comment whatever you want. It’s just that this ‘joke’ of commenting ‘first’ on every video in existence has gotten so old it’s firmly considered cringe these days. Yeah posting a comment helps the algorithm or whatever, but anybody who comments ‘first’ could just as easily comment ‘Cool!’ And it would at the very least be a nice comment and not just an entirely worthless statement. You can post whatever you want, doesn’t mean you should :V
What is your favorite Pokémon battle music?
Aegis Cave from Mystery Dungeon
the low hp music from bw
Team galactic grunts theme and also their encounter theme
That's like choosing my top 10 favourite Pokemon. Way too many options that would take multiple hours of analyzing to make a final verdict.
Favourite overall battle theme: Dark Matter Battle Second Phase
Main series: Zinnia's theme probably
Huh, I never knew Cyrus's theme was different on the second loop. Personally, I'm kinda glad that it went unnoticed for so long. Feels like a little hidden detail only a select few know about which is always facinating.
Anyone who is familiar with musical mechanics in any way should’ve noticed.
Cyrus probably has to be one of Pokemon's most iconic villains considering his intimidating presence and theme to back it up.
he’s so babygirl
@@Flizz0That’s why I love him and wish his Ancestor did more in Legends Arceus
@@owenbridgers fr
I think Cyrus theme and N's are some of the best in the series. (With N's theme there is also something i can't quite point but i have to say the final battle theme of N as champ was something that can't be quite replicated same goes for cyrus's original theme).
The OG Ghetsis theme from BW. The harp like instrument that plays at 0.55sec is replaced by another in its second loop around 5.01secs. More audible with earphones
I'm gonna have to replay BW to check for that hmmm
*Original not Og
@@SuperPlacido1 1. No
2. Who cares?
@@SuperPlacido1 Og Is The Short Of The Word Original
You're right, it's actually because of an error during the conversion of the music from midi to Nintendo's format
I literally waited forever for someone to point this out. I always loved Cyrus theme for its build up and key changes halfway through. It enthralled me the first time I heard it. So imagine my bewilderment when other people claim his theme sucks or is “too long”. Like really what? This is also why I will never forgive those who make tierlists for music but refuse to listen to the whole track. Then claim it’s terrible. Like a certain a Pokemon UA-camr did not so long ago. Now you finally set the record straight.
I might know who you’re talking about
This is also how I feel about Eternatus’s regular battle theme and Arceus’s Legends theme.
They’re fantastic but people don’t want to listen for more than a few seconds. Eternatus’s theme is such a banger yet I see it rank low on a lot of peoples lists.
Two things I think I'll never heavily criticize in Pokemon. The music and the character designs.
those are three
@@baldkiwi444 how
Check the new DP games, you’ll lose the enjoyment of character designs
Swordbert and Shieldward
Props to you for spotting the change… I searched YT and couldn’t find one with the B loop either. Someone will just need to record their in-game music.
I didn't realize cryus's theme was so different in the games themselves that's pretty cool :D
04:55 I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure that Kyurem's theme in XY onwards is just the disc version of reshiram/zekrom looped from the second part, so you always just hear version A, then BBBB.
It’s been a while since I heard anyone talk about that, so I might be a bit off on this. All three members of the Tao Trio use unique versions of their shared theme. Reshiram and Zekrom have fire and lightning effects in their respective versions, while Kyurem has small portions missing and has a slap bass present. That’s the stuff noticeable right off the bat at least.
Oh wait I misread, I didn’t realize you were talking about the versions from gen 6 onward
@@CaptainObliviousV Yeah the version on the soundtrack for BW is both reshiram and zekrom (with one first loop, then the other), and the way I remember it they just used that exact one for all of them post gen 5
Also, kyurems funky version is by far the best one
The DPP theme for Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf also cycles between three different tones when it loops. The version of the track used in USUM and ORAS doesn't retain this though
I've always liked cynthia's theme when fighting her in the pokemon league especially when my health bar is at red
Oh...that's interesting. If it's intentional, it's not unusual for Masuda. He did something pretty similar multiple times with the original Pokémon Red & Blue soundtrack, and they weren't noticed until someone tried to transcribe the entire soundtrack to sheet music. It can be heard in Professor Oak's theme, Lavender Town and Pokémon Mansion. There's a video that explains it called "Loops Within Loops: A Modular Approach to Mystery in Pokemon Red and Blue
".
TLDR; The Game Boy has 4 audio channels (3 wave channels and a noise channel for percussion), and the Pokémon Mansion theme had the channels at loop at different fractional points. This causes all the channels to go out of sync over time, and the music won't properly complete its "nested loop" (the point when the 4 channels align again) until after 8 hours. So until someone there records 8 straight hours of in-game audio, there is no accurate audio rip of this theme on UA-cam. Of course, neither FRLG nor LGPE faithfully recreated this aspect of the theme, they kind of "cheat" the loop.
A lot of Evil Team bosses have fantastic themes, but none quite stick with me like Cyrus' does. It's just so catchy and memorable, even taking nostalgia aside.
i thought i was the only one who noticed & loved the second loop of cyrus’s theme :’) they didn’t include it in the bdsp version which made me very sad but, oh well
Wow. I was one of those guys who loved Cyrus DPPt version more than USUM version. This makes me want to appreciate it even more.
Always noticed this one since i LOVE this song alot. Glad that you notice this too. Cyrus' theme is simply epic. Sounds menacing, twisted and of course majestic. Fitting theme for a sociopathic, uncaring, serious, yet charismatic evil team leader
He is far from uncaring. He cared too deeply if anything, as a child anyway.
Funnily enough, this seems to be an issue with the actual programming of the song LOL
MIDI Players and probably Chiptune players return to the value of any kind of message (In this case, CC events Instrument Change and Pitch Wheel) when the song is returned to a X position, even if it wasn't specified again at that position (The start of loop in this case), so what that can mean? If there's not a new event at loop start's position, DS may not return to the value it was playing on the first loop, so it continues to have the value it has reaching the end of the loop while playing the full loop, so, that's why it happens just from 2nd loop and everytime after it, in fact, the actual sequence from the song is just the "Intro" and just one loop, if that was made on purpose, the song probably contained a copy of the loop played with the differences, but it hasn't, or well, that may remained by mistake and Masuda DID notice that, didn't know why it happened (Or yes) but left it as it was.
It may also not be a mistake, as the official version from Pokémon Diamond & Pearl Super Music Collection is played with the higher pitch instruments and "wrong" instruments just after starting again from the loop, so idk, is just a theory
Edit: I was right, Masuda programmed wrong the song LOL
The "Pop Bass" does a full +12 semitones rise, and *IT NEVER RETURNS TO 0 AGAIN*, so it is infinitely playing one full octave up in the rest of loops, and so it does the organ because it's played at the same channel lmfao. It seems that there's not any Instrument Change event issue as i thought, and that "Second Loop issue" is just channel 6 from the song playing one octave higher than it was meant to be played, so it just affects instrument played at that channel, that are the Organ, Orchestra Hit, "Pop Bass", Trumpet, and that "strange SFX" (Which is actually the general Electric Guitar instrument the game uses, and the responsible for the issue, because after that, the organ is played again, but now at one octave higher but due to the Pitch Wheel remains at 1200 cents which is +12 semitones or a full octave up), so that means... There's not a single difference with the percussion you've pointed out lol, is just the Orchestra Hit playing one octave higher
I had a feeling this was the answer, I use SynthFont quite a lot so I had a suspicion it was intended to always sound like the first loop but it ends up using the second one because of what you just stated.
I also had a feeling it was a midi glitch because when I ripped the soundtrack it only extended to 2 minutes and 10 seconds, which is just shy of triggering the loop.
I then thought: "Maybe he programmed the game to change the midi to do this?"
But you thankfully supported my suspicion of thi being a glitch.
So the ones on UA-cam with only the first loop are the right ones in the end as it was intended to be heard that way.
Thanks man.
Also I love the fact that this statement almost puts this whole video to waste, other than bringing attention to the glitch
@@Zangy_boy491 Looool i thought the same
Just the lack of a single event makes this video go so wrong accidentally... It's hilarious
As someone who dabbled a little in Famitracker, I can totally understand how that happened.
FINALLY! Someone else that knows this... I'm pretty sure there are other loop changeups in certain other tracks before Gen 4, but I think they've actually gone the same way - forgotten by the fans and ultimately not replicated in their respective remakes.
For some reason there's also a section of Cyrus' theme that sounds like the Star Wars Episode 5 music during the Asteroid Field chase, which makes sense considering the whole space theme of Gen 4
You know, I might be thinking too far but this ABBBBB.... format *might* be a representation of Cyrus` goals for a new world.
A is the normal world, and B is Cyrus` ideal world, Cyrus made changes to A and now its B and its not reversing on any loop.
The original loop is destroyed, then recreated almost as it was before, but with some permanent "improvements", which is what Cyrus aims to do with the whole universe.
Still, symbolism or not, it makes the theme more awesome.
Also, the destruction of the old world happens when the first loop ends (when it slows down)
@@darkhorse581 Hmm.... interesting
Whenever someone criticizes Gireum for not loving Pokémon I'll direct them to this video
Honestly, I never realized that the in-game mixes of Pokémon music are actually changed up like this from the soundtrack mixes. Aside from a handful of obvious examples (e.g., Village Bridge (BW SMC), the Red and Blue tracks on the XY Super Music Collection, etc.) they just sound like the in-game mixes when casually listening to them (ignoring the audio quality differences). The only track with minor differences that I really know of is the battle theme for Reshiram and Zekrom, which has different sound effects play for each dragon in-game (flames and thunder respectively), while the soundtrack version combines the two versions and splits the sound effects across two loops.
Plenty of musics have conversion errors like that, thus changing the music when it loops, I don't think it was intended
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one to realize this!
This is actually fantastic to know - thank you so much for this! There's actually something similar in SV - the Team Star Boss battle theme has a different guitar solo on the 2nd loop, as well as a different drum pattern in the final segment. While it alternates between the loops, instead of going ABBBB, it's still a really interesting touch, especially as once again, most pokémon music uploaders seem to have missed this and thus only posted the 1st half of a 7-minute theme. So you know - interesting added touches in Pokémon music.
(Check replies!!)
Oh my god wow, this is extremely interesting. It almost doesn’t feel intentional, like volume settings used later in the song aren’t cancelled out in the loop. I’ve never heard of any song, not just in pokemon, having a second loop this slightly different. You know what, I’m going to test something. I have a program that extracts the music straight from the game, so I’m going to see exactly what’s happening there. But this is super cool and I commend you for noticing a detail I never did. Thank you for this video!!
So, I'm looking at the sequence data ripped straight from the game. And immediately I can see that the sequence data for the song is exactly as long as one loop through, at... 2:03, which isn't where you said the loop point was but I know this is being ripped straight from the game. I've saved these sequences before and sometimes, even often, they include a little extra instead of EXACTLY the loop length. Which could even be the problem, supporting my theory before.
Actually, the more I listen, I hear that the repeating countermelody (the part very noticeably different in the last section you showed, usually played on the organ) seems to have moved up an octave. Which again, isn't reflected in the sequence AT ALL.
Oh my god, I figured it out (this one part at least). Ok, so the channel with this organ instrument that goes up the octave, it also includes the reverse cymbal percussive instrument that builds up into the key change. So, when that cymbal part occurs, they're altering the pitch of the whole channel, and it conveniently goes up exactly an octave. So, I'm 99% sure that when the song loops, the octave change accidentally isn't reset. So that entire channel stays an octave too high for the rest of the playback. This is actually OBSERVABLE in the original OST version all over UA-cam, because this same organ part is one octave higher than it's supposed to be according to the sequence data, because the pitch change isn't reset. Based on this, I assume that all of the other changes result from this too, from the loop causing certain parameters to not be reset. For my money, it's not intentional. But it IS really really cool!!!
tl;dr, The different loop doesn't seem to be intentional, because the song's sequence data doesn't include this second section, and is instead created by the song looping without certain parameters changing back to what they're supposed to be. This is most noticeable with the countermelody heard throughout the song (including the part pointed out in this video as the most obviously different), because it ends up an octave higher than it's supposed to be.
This is very interesting! Specially because this doesn't happen with other tracks and their loops, right?
Thank you, my dude.
@@sweetpie8 Yes, this is the only track I know of that does this. Someone with more knowledge of the DS would be who to turn to to figure out exactly why the glitch occurs. All I can say is that it almost definitely does happen.
Oh thank you for doing that, I was considering doing it myself but I'm glad someone else had the same idea! It's pretty funny that a glitch happens to enhance a song tho isn't it?
Whoa that's very interesting, can't say I've noticed this despite it being one of my favourite soundtracks from pokemon games
They should have gave Cyrus a encounter theme
Another one is also Barry's theme I have the cd and a gamerip version with which the cd cuts off to the last few seconds towards the second loop. The 2nd loop on the gamerip I have includes the Barry loop.
I remember 11 year old me being so intimidated hearing this theme for the first time, then fighting him after he had awoken Palkia (i was playing Pearl) it was a moment of feeling intimidation by a video game villain i will never forget
why'd you put Masuda's email on the screen? I've sent 151 emails and he still won't reply to me :(
I think the structure of this song is because of Cyrus desire to redo the universe, so his theme plays once in one way, and then when it starts again, its different and stays different from there on, like his desire to redesign the universe
I'm pretty sure R/S/E's Gym Leader theme also changes on the second loop. On the first loop, the part after the intro has horns and a string ensemble. But when it loops, the horns are replaced with more strings. And it also follows the abbbb format. Though you probably won't read this, so maybe writing this was a waste of time.
perhaps you should email him!
@@yes8219 Yeah, maybe.
Cyrus has become the Super Idol
Thank you for giving attention to the fact that almost all uploads of this song got it wrong! Pokeli's "enhanced" EQ edit bothers me especially
This is comparable to people putting reverb on gameboy music, the original music is so hard to find
As a VGM composer and VGM lover myself, i think it's super important that YT uploads respect the original song
I LOVE CYRUS
SO I WASNT CRAZY
An additional minor change added in Platinum was the speed being increased a little compared to the DP version.
" This man is a detailed guy. . . when it comes to music "
*Why is this SO underrated?!*
If you have really good headphones or ones that pick up specific sounds, you can hear it. I haar the difference clearly
3:38 BDSP jumpscare /j
Dawn and Lucas deserves their own battle theme
Those UA-cam channels do remixes
*I missed the sassy comments, I need more of it, beyond pokemon*
I wonder if this happens in USUM
It doesn't
I love his theme. ❤
I heard when I played platinum I just never thought to much of it
Pokemon Music is like wine,It gets better with age.
Although it may be as I started with Unova, one of my favorite themes can be both of the Undella Town themes, Colress's battle, and the Elite 4.
This looping effect with Cyrus reminds me of the differences of Marble Garden Act 1 and Act 2, or Mushroom Hill Act 1 and Act 2. Intensified drums, all the more urgency.
That shit slaps
Good bad bugs.
I like his theme in bdsp its probably the best one
Wow your the first UA-camr to talk about this. Good Ear!
I would advise you to listen to his usum soundtrack
Controversial opinion: I agree that Pokémon music has mostly been consistently good (except gen 3's _dweeeh_ GBA trumpets, and parts of the XY, USUM and SwSh OSTs can be boring), but disagree with the popular opinion that it's been consistently _great._ The only time when nearly an _entire_ OST was truly _great_ was ORAS in my humble onion - which, duh, it's gen 3's great compositions orchestrated! Of course it's fantastic.
the FRLG (with very few exceptions) and Johto remix track (probably just added for fun) sound even worse somehow, so it must be a GBA thing
@@inconemay1441 Yes. The GBA has no dedicated sound chip; its sound is processed by the CPU. Long story short, it creates a very strange range of sounds in a sort of objectively subpar way, and thus compositions for GBA have to be made very carefully... lest you get DWEEEH DWIIIH DWOOOH.
Yo WTF how the hell did you notice that??
Although Cyrus is very criticized by a part of the community, I think he’s the best pokemon’s villain of all time. I mean not only his characterization’s cool, but also his purpose is probably the meanest ever
I love him
So did someone upload the full complete soundtrack on UA-cam yet?
*Gireum Red Pill*
3:24 you so f… Funny montage dude :P
I knew it wasnt me
Gireum, have you tried checking some other language rips of this OST? I don't know if the link that I have given is the same thing that you have discovered in Battle! Cyrus's weird OST glitch(?), but I'm just sharing the link. If you are still interested.
Thanks for talking about this in the vid! I always like watching discussions and theories videos of some Pokemon stuff.
Here's the link, I hope it's the correct one:
ua-cam.com/video/oC4QP1xhhM4/v-deo.html
And then *blazblue* and *guilty gear* destroyed pokemon soundtracks with there own soundtracks.
Nice vid keep it up!
I prefer the remastered bdsp version
*bass*
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Lol this is a great video
Waifu material? bro touch grass
I dont wanna hurt plants
Hey First
We don't care about who is first! Cancer comment! Be more original next time if you can! Unless it's too difficult for someone with no personality like you! I'm more than tired of people still writing the same crap. You're probably going to tell me to ignore this comment, but the problem is that I've been patient for years, genius. The solution would be to have less gender commentary. But that's too much to ask for someone like you.
(Sorry, I'm just countering the arguments that many people gave me.) It's just that it's very tiring to see the same kind of comments. If you have nothing original and relevant to say, then shut up. You can comment whatever you want. It’s just that this ‘joke’ of commenting ‘first’ on every video in existence has gotten so old it’s firmly considered cringe these days. Yeah posting a comment helps the algorithm or whatever, but anybody who comments ‘first’ could just as easily comment ‘Cool!’ And it would at the very least be a nice comment and not just an entirely worthless statement.
You can post whatever you want, doesn’t mean you should :V
@@SuperPlacido1 Im sorry(im not going to comment that again) sorry for bad English
@@christianflores559 I forgive you since you understood what I meant. Have a great weekend! 😄
@@SuperPlacido1 Have a great weekend too