Update: The maximum output power is derived from a database in the unit, which is why we only see a maximum of around 90W on the 5mm tip. Small tips are limited to significantly less power by the station.
The actual Processing of the DDE-1C is in the front display portion of the unit that you did not open up not in the PIC33FJ256. I tore two of them down on a live stream due to the downgraded MCU / Disabled Features Issue. If you still have your DDE-1C Curious to what MCU they were using 2 years ago. Now they are using a MK26FN2M0CAC18 MCU
@@SudiptaMandalsuri because UA-cam is still processing the original. Once it is fully processed the resolution options will appear. I've chosen to wait for it to finish processing
@@SudiptaMandalsuri UA-cam needs to process the video first. Nowadays not so common to see, because a lot of creators schedule there publishment, so that YT can process the video before.
Seeing how Metcal MX-5200 is behaving on one of your videos, I got one myself (used and slightly beated) and have to say, best 500$ ever spent on soldering equipment. Thanks SDG!
@@MoreCharactersThanNeeded Around 25$ in Poland for new ones in store. I bought a bunch of new ones from some guy stockpile for 5$ each. Can't say anything about knockoffs, haven't used them.
For those who use this video as a review to see if you actually want to buy this station, and you're missing the temperature preset buttons, there actually is a way to use 3 preset temperatures. You just have to enable and set it in the menu (menu -> tools -> temp level set -> temp levels). After that you can just use the up and down buttons while the handle is out of the stand to change the temperatures to the preset values. Besides this station with the T210 handle and PA120 tweezers, I use a CLMU-A automatic tip cleaner. The automatic tip cleaner is one of those things you didn't know you needed in life untill you used it.
You could also mention, that if in preset mode, only that temperature can be chosen. If your presets are set to 300, 350, 400, you can't set 375 for instance. Even more annoying on 4 tools unit without physical buttons
At work we only use JBC-stations. So the next step was to get one myself. A Co-worker alerted me that someone sold his older Compact model online (no fancy display, just a dial) for only 70 bucks. It had a broken connector and was in good condition, only 15 minutes of repair and it works like a charm! Next step is to get more tips :P
Thank you for the review. I do not know what to tell. For sure its performance is pretty convincing though it looks like the clone versions can do the same (for the fraction of the price) because the magic is in the tip and it is overshooting. There is no per tip calibration which could be a simple 3 points calibration per tip name in the FW. This feature even a KSGER has for 40€... I have just built a station based on the Ksger hardware which is slightly modified to be able to use a JBC handle and tips and I use a CFW for it. Maybe this is the good setup... This way I have the advantage of the JBC cartridges with the calibration process of the Ksger station.
For PACE the cartridge approach had specific design goals as compared to a non-cartridge sleeve and tip approach like their PS-90. In my opinion the ADS200 handpiece is an evolution of the TD-100 IntelliHeat cartridge handpiece. One goal in this evoution I think was to reduce the handpiece self heating with extended operator use. If you look at the PS-90 design as an evolution the heater is a socketed device beyond the end of the handpiece with materials use to minimize heat transfer into the grip, and it works really well. I think the basic promise of a cartridge approach would be to keep heat out of the handpiece by putting the heater out further towards the tip, which would allow a shorter grip to tip distance while still having a cool handpiece. I think the TD-100 runs much hotter than the ADS200 handpiece, although in this evolution there was the move to lead-free soldering requirements with its associated higher temperatures. To me I think a cartridge handpiece basic design advantage is in cooler handpiece extended operation. So it is interesting that JBC would add a foam sleeve. PACE has experience with removable foam type sleeves like on the PS-90 and I think found them lacking with rugged use, like in a electronic production setting. I believe this is why you don't have the foam sleeve on the ADS200 or the TD-100 handpiece. Possibly another reason for the foam sleeve is to address hand fatigue ergonomics. I think foam sleeves just wear out too fast for production work. I actually like a solid handpiece without any foam and if possible a minimul rubber grip much like the older Metcal handpiece, and this approach is used with the ADS200 handpiece in shape and design intent.
Hello! It's very interesting. I can't understand. I see on power module 2 additional similar current shunt with amplifier and I can't understand how it work(. Can you analyze where are they connected?
Great video. You can see from JBCs own graph that even with a huge tip, only hits about 40% power average (60W) as you said limited by the cartridge. Metcal should be a bit less limited by a smaller tip size IMO.
Hi Steven, nice Video and Interesting Model, was new to me :-) I am using a JBC CD2E020 Max 130W Power, since some years now, I had quite a few others before that, including a Metcal MX-500P-21 and a STSS-PS2V-02 (older Metcals) with many Tips. I use mostly Leaded Solder, but wasn't particular happy needing different Tips for leaded and Unleaded. Further the JBC was giving me a better thermal Performance than the 2 Metcals i had.Cheers, Konstantin
Good comparisons! The Metcal always seems to win the coin test while Pace seems to lag. Metcal is very tempting. If you could only keep one station, which one would it be? Could you deal without being able to adjust the temperature of the Metcal?
I've used the MX5200 for over 8 years and never really thought I needed anything else. The only time I've needed to change the temperature was to put some threaded heatserts into PLA 3D printed material!
Incredible how elaborated these Devices are these days .. I imagine grandpa with a piece of copper in a pair of grip pliers and a blowtorch to heat it, dipping it in a block of rosin he probably harvested himself ... soldering on old tube contraptions... how long before we have IR laser soldering or the 3d printer that even prints components on glass or ceramic :D Thanks Steve, very interesting !
hey there, was just wondering if you had tried that largest 7mm tip on the best clone station too. Perhaps you already did! Then maybe i missed that little bit. It would be interesting to see how much different the increase in performance was being due to lifting a ceiling imposed by the previous smaller 5mm tip. Vs other independent ceiling imposed by the base unit
hello. can you tell me what c245 tips you used? also are there any c245 tips you would recommend for general soldering? it is difficult for simeone starting to choose from 400 tips 😬 i was thinking c245406 and c245102 for start. do tou have any suggestions? thank you for answering.
What would you suggest as an upgrade to KSGER T12 for hobbyist looking for more power? Seeing what Metcal or that JBC can do makes me want to buy one, but for hobbyist it would be an overkill and overspending. Thanks for another really interesting video, albeit dangerous to my wallet ;)
I have some lower cost stations coming up! As I understand, the T12 cartridges are the limitation so no matter what base unit is used you'll not really improve the performance. Unless you specifically want a branded unit, the Jabe or Best BST-933 seem to be the best lower cost upgrade.
@@sdgelectronics Thanks for answering my question! I'll take a look at those models then. Can't wait for the next videos about cheaper stations though - what a tease! :)
Yes I have built a JBC clone station from scratch (documented on eevblogs) and can confirm that the peak power over 100w is only useful for rapid reaching of the set temperature. My controller is capable of putting out about 200w but I intentionally limited it to 150w to reduce tip stress, heating barely slowed down anyway. Power rarely goes above 50w when actually soldering...
There are a lot of threads about DIY JBC soldering stations on the eevblog forum and I am interested in building one myself. Do you have a link to your project?
@@uhb79 sure www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/yet-another-quasi-universal-soldering-station-(aimed-at-jbc)/ It's not a polished do it yourself kit but several people have built it and I think you can learn some things if you plan to roll your own
There is a cheap system called HANDSKIT T245. It's like KSGER T12 but it works with JBC tips. Do you reckon it would be an improvement over T12 since it takes better tips?
Improvement in terms of power yes, its claiming a rated 144W. But the included handle looks terrible. Also you can get a much larger variety of T12 tips for low prices.
I watched a video of HANDSKIT T245,the solder station screen was 400 °C within one second after power on,but the tip was about 200 °C on temp meter and was still heating up slowly.
T470 is a monster even metcal can not defeat him. The metcal unit is basic a high power amplifier and the colder the tip is the more is rezoneting and draw more power from the unit. T 470 is a masiv heating element with can put the full 250w power of the station. In your caze the full 150w power . Wath you see for now t 245 is a baby comparing with T470.
One potential reason for the depth of the stand is to accommodate the fume extractor that mounts to the stand (to catch fumes from the handle when put back in the stand). It can be seen around 43 seconds into this video: ua-cam.com/video/-b8sla5zbDE/v-deo.html
Great video as always, but I'm not sure why you feel that higher power delivery capability will shorten the life of the tip. The higher power delivery isn't needed to get up to temperature quickly and should only come into play when the unit is trying to keep the tip at temperature when heating up a large thermal mass. In this case, the extra power delivery will keep the tip temperature more rather than less stable. The tip life will be a strong function of how hot the iron is set to run at, how long it stays at that temperature, how quickly it heats up and cools down, and how clean it is kept, but it's not obvious that any of these are adversely affected by higher power transfer capability. The main problem with the higher power transfer capability is the adverse affect it has on ones wallet, and JBC isn't overly concerned about this...
When you first take the tip out from the stand, the station puts maximum power for that type of cartridge into the heater coil. Some of the other stations are a little more gentle on the heater coil. Outside of that, you're right, it shouldn't present any issues.
The JCB stations are real nice but damn expensive. I would love one of these but it’s hard to justify the cost as there are some good mid range alternatives. But there is no question these are not high quality pro units. I still love an Antex irons. I have had them since a kid and still use them for most work but the handles get too hot at times. The foam on that is a nice idea. Great review mate.
I have an Antex 690SD sitting in a box on the shelf. It was my soldering iron of choice from around 2004, back when there really wasn't much selection. Antex seem to have lost their way a bit now and have just put the 690SD in a cheap box. It's tempting to break it out to see how the 'old tech' performs in comparison.
@@sdgelectronics yea agreed. I have a 760rwk rework station I use daily that’s ok but nothing special, the iron is good but the unit is a little basic compared to these new ones. I have bunch of their standard irons and they just solid but I’m really tempted to get one of the JBC stations tbh. I’m browsing Kaisertech now and tempted at the CD2BQF. Gear has moved on so much.
Since we're looking at top end soldering stations would you consider reviewing the "Weller WX2021 WXMP, WXMT,WDH50 and 60, 120V Solder and De-Solder" Station - I think you can search for it on Amazon(US) by using the quoted text. It is not cheap by any stretch and all the extra varied tips I bought to supplement mine I'm in up to my neck :-) Maybe Weller can send you one ?
The empty space seen in the modular stand is probably there because they needed to be able to fit the FAE050 fume inlet duct for their fume extractors.
Did you ever get to the bottom of the temp calibration issue? That's a bit concerning for something that costs circa £1000 and that's THAT far out on displayed vs actual temperature.
How much you have played with the tip temperature meter? Do you get repeatable results regardless the contact point of a tip and solder amount? I might buy one About two months ago the list price of the CDE-2BQA was 395€
It seems to be very repeatable in itself. The accuracy goes off if you don't have enough solder, but it doesn't take long to work out the right amount.
I really like JBC stuff but its so hard to get on top of being already expensive lol. Also I'm using a jabe station. That handpiece definitely gets too hot to touch with some extended soldering
This or the 4tool might be my next one. Have the weller WX2 now but I hate the sleep mechanism on that device. And the utterly absurd lack of tip choice. I assume the extra space in the stand is to allow some of the more exotic tips to fit, JBC has a bunch of rather exotic ones (i believe there is even a small wire tinning solder pot cartridge. Although I doubt you would use that typically with this stand ... But you could.
@@sdgelectronics I know, I have been holding off thinking that with the new compact line model (the one that has still not been released 2 years in a row) the 2 and 4 tool models would get an update too... Not so sure now.
Always wondered why manufacturers make their stations so big. There is so much empty space inside! I made a station which feeds two irons using cheap Chinese controllers and it is three times smaller than this JBC. And no, I did not use switchmode power supply. I managed to just fit a 240W toroidal transformer. Very happy about the result, barely takes any space on the bench. And the Chinese controllers, surprisingly, work excellent. Why to waste all that space inside the iron!?
I believe that current wasted space, Was/Is for a Fume Extraction add-on. I prefer an external that'll do the same job, my self. each to their own & all that 🖖👍🏻
Yes, the fume extractor mounts on the side. I use the large area just behind the cradle, the same as with my PACE stand and that is to have a spot to knock off solder from the tip. I don't get to use the JBC equipment as often as the PACE so I have not heard an official use for this space from the distributor. I also have a seperate smash pot made from an old PACE portable spong holder which is easy to clean.
Metcal idle temp is lower than the their max. Idle tip temperature changes depending tip geometry. Comes to how heatflows go in materials. Tip temp gets usually higher during soldering, but never exceeds max. I think somewhere Metcal stated idle can be 15°C lower than max temperature. @sdgelectronics Coin test with JBC set to Metcal's max temperature would be interesting. Short video? :)
@@sdgelectronics Thanks. You'd think if they didn't have cartridges with it then you'd have less letters in the product code. JBC don't help themselves. Need to make things clearer.
Steve, in one of the JBC (or clone) videos you made a recommendation of bit dimensions for SMT parts but I now can't find it! I'm looking to pull the trigger on a JBC compact station with two free bits and whilst I am aware of the recommendations in the JBC catalogue, I'd appreciate your input. I'd like one bit for 0402 (imperial) upto 1206 and another for through hole pins and soldering wires to terminals to about 22 AWG. I prefer chisel bits to conical wherever possible and am referring to the T245 handpiece. Many thanks in advance if anyone has any specific recommendations.
My general purpose tip is a 1 or 1.2mm chisel. I've not had much luck with the finer conical tips, they just don't work well. C245-406 is a good one to start with. After that it would be either a 1.6 or a 2.5mm chisel. On my Metcal system, 90% of the time it's just a 1mm chisel in there for everything though.
I love the station i hope you will use this jbc in the new videous . I try a project to make my own jbc soldering iron , i willy upload a video on my chanel if it is a succes . Also very nice video .
It's a very nice system, but we replace the tips far too regularly at my workplace and I don't know if this is down to the users or the tips themselves. It'll be interesting to see how the longevity plays out at my work bench, since I've had seriously long life from my Metcal tips.
@@sdgelectronics but the funy things here is in 8 years you bought 4 soldering station now in 1 month you bought the most good soldering station in the world . Very nice job.
@@sdgelectronics no rush :) I just noticed becuause I was looking at the jbc website a few days ago and their cleaner caught my eye. But 400+ is very steep for a motor and a brush.
@@philippschilk6077 I know I saw the same one, Metcal also do a similar unit but cheaper. I nearly bought one, but did think it's a lot of money for what it actually is...
@@sdgelectronics I'll look forward to a video on those cleaners and the nitrogen setup if you ever get around to it :) Both are on the list of soldering toys I would love to have a play with but I am not gonna spend that much money on.
Update: The maximum output power is derived from a database in the unit, which is why we only see a maximum of around 90W on the 5mm tip. Small tips are limited to significantly less power by the station.
The actual Processing of the DDE-1C is in the front display portion of the unit that you did not open up not in the PIC33FJ256. I tore two of them down on a live stream due to the downgraded MCU / Disabled Features Issue. If you still have your DDE-1C Curious to what MCU they were using 2 years ago. Now they are using a MK26FN2M0CAC18 MCU
Apologies for the re-upload, hopefully it didn't mess up any notifications
No problem
No worries. I was wondering :)
Why its 360p only?
@@SudiptaMandalsuri because UA-cam is still processing the original. Once it is fully processed the resolution options will appear. I've chosen to wait for it to finish processing
@@SudiptaMandalsuri UA-cam needs to process the video first. Nowadays not so common to see, because a lot of creators schedule there publishment, so that YT can process the video before.
Seeing how Metcal MX-5200 is behaving on one of your videos, I got one myself (used and slightly beated) and have to say, best 500$ ever spent on soldering equipment. Thanks SDG!
How expensive are the tips, and are there knockoffs that works well? Do you know?
@@MoreCharactersThanNeeded Around 25$ in Poland for new ones in store. I bought a bunch of new ones from some guy stockpile for 5$ each. Can't say anything about knockoffs, haven't used them.
For those who use this video as a review to see if you actually want to buy this station, and you're missing the temperature preset buttons, there actually is a way to use 3 preset temperatures. You just have to enable and set it in the menu (menu -> tools -> temp level set -> temp levels). After that you can just use the up and down buttons while the handle is out of the stand to change the temperatures to the preset values.
Besides this station with the T210 handle and PA120 tweezers, I use a CLMU-A automatic tip cleaner. The automatic tip cleaner is one of those things you didn't know you needed in life untill you used it.
You could also mention, that if in preset mode, only that temperature can be chosen. If your presets are set to 300, 350, 400, you can't set 375 for instance. Even more annoying on 4 tools unit without physical buttons
At work we only use JBC-stations. So the next step was to get one myself. A Co-worker alerted me that someone sold his older Compact model online (no fancy display, just a dial) for only 70 bucks. It had a broken connector and was in good condition, only 15 minutes of repair and it works like a charm! Next step is to get more tips :P
Great reviews, clear voice, perfect microphone audio, great video quality, awesome lights, beautiful color balance: can't ask for more.
Now you start collecting soldering stations ? Hehehe.
You just have to love the look of the JBC strain-relief.
Thank you for the review. I do not know what to tell. For sure its performance is pretty convincing though it looks like the clone versions can do the same (for the fraction of the price) because the magic is in the tip and it is overshooting. There is no per tip calibration which could be a simple 3 points calibration per tip name in the FW. This feature even a KSGER has for 40€... I have just built a station based on the Ksger hardware which is slightly modified to be able to use a JBC handle and tips and I use a CFW for it. Maybe this is the good setup... This way I have the advantage of the JBC cartridges with the calibration process of the Ksger station.
For PACE the cartridge approach had specific design goals as compared to a non-cartridge sleeve and tip approach like their PS-90. In my opinion the ADS200 handpiece is an evolution of the TD-100 IntelliHeat cartridge handpiece. One goal in this evoution I think was to reduce the handpiece self heating with extended operator use. If you look at the PS-90 design as an evolution the heater is a socketed device beyond the end of the handpiece with materials use to minimize heat transfer into the grip, and it works really well. I think the basic promise of a cartridge approach would be to keep heat out of the handpiece by putting the heater out further towards the tip, which would allow a shorter grip to tip distance while still having a cool handpiece.
I think the TD-100 runs much hotter than the ADS200 handpiece, although in this evolution there was the move to lead-free soldering requirements with its associated higher temperatures. To me I think a cartridge handpiece basic design advantage is in cooler handpiece extended operation. So it is interesting that JBC would add a foam sleeve. PACE has experience with removable foam type sleeves like on the PS-90 and I think found them lacking with rugged use, like in a electronic production setting. I believe this is why you don't have the foam sleeve on the ADS200 or the TD-100 handpiece. Possibly another reason for the foam sleeve is to address hand fatigue ergonomics. I think foam sleeves just wear out too fast for production work. I actually like a solid handpiece without any foam and if possible a minimul rubber grip much like the older Metcal handpiece, and this approach is used with the ADS200 handpiece in shape and design intent.
Hello! It's very interesting. I can't understand. I see on power module 2 additional similar current shunt with amplifier and I can't understand how it work(. Can you analyze where are they connected?
Great video. You can see from JBCs own graph that even with a huge tip, only hits about 40% power average (60W) as you said limited by the cartridge. Metcal should be a bit less limited by a smaller tip size IMO.
You would think for that money they would throw in a tip cleaner pad and sponge
This is desapointing in my opinion . I mean for 800 dolars they can put unlest a sponge .
JBC makes great soldering stations for sure.
Hi Steven, nice Video and Interesting Model, was new to me :-) I am using a JBC CD2E020 Max 130W Power, since some years now, I had quite a few others before that, including a Metcal MX-500P-21 and a STSS-PS2V-02 (older Metcals) with many Tips. I use mostly Leaded Solder, but wasn't particular happy needing different Tips for leaded and Unleaded.
Further the JBC was giving me a better thermal Performance than the 2 Metcals i had.Cheers, Konstantin
Good comparisons! The Metcal always seems to win the coin test while Pace seems to lag. Metcal is very tempting. If you could only keep one station, which one would it be? Could you deal without being able to adjust the temperature of the Metcal?
I've used the MX5200 for over 8 years and never really thought I needed anything else. The only time I've needed to change the temperature was to put some threaded heatserts into PLA 3D printed material!
You must have a ton of high end soldering equipment!
A little bit more than I'd planned...
@@sdgelectronics i love your new station
Incredible how elaborated these Devices are these days .. I imagine grandpa with a piece of copper in a pair of grip pliers and a blowtorch to heat it, dipping it in a block of rosin he probably harvested himself ... soldering on old tube contraptions... how long before we have IR laser soldering or the 3d printer that even prints components on glass or ceramic :D
Thanks Steve, very interesting !
Same with anything really, modern cars are a prime example. Realistically, you can do 90% with a cheap KSGER station.
hey there, was just wondering if you had tried that largest 7mm tip on the best clone station too. Perhaps you already did! Then maybe i missed that little bit. It would be interesting to see how much different the increase in performance was being due to lifting a ceiling imposed by the previous smaller 5mm tip. Vs other independent ceiling imposed by the base unit
I'll do a short follow-up later in the week. I ran out of time the other day when I recorded this.
@@sdgelectronics cool man, looking forwards to it! (no hurry or anything. just would be nice to find out about sometime or other)
7:00 It's probably large to fit other tools like the gun
hello. can you tell
me what c245 tips you used? also are there any c245 tips you would recommend for general soldering? it is difficult for simeone starting to choose from 400 tips 😬 i was thinking c245406 and c245102 for start. do tou have any suggestions? thank you for answering.
What would you suggest as an upgrade to KSGER T12 for hobbyist looking for more power? Seeing what Metcal or that JBC can do makes me want to buy one, but for hobbyist it would be an overkill and overspending. Thanks for another really interesting video, albeit dangerous to my wallet ;)
I have some lower cost stations coming up! As I understand, the T12 cartridges are the limitation so no matter what base unit is used you'll not really improve the performance. Unless you specifically want a branded unit, the Jabe or Best BST-933 seem to be the best lower cost upgrade.
@@sdgelectronics Thanks for answering my question! I'll take a look at those models then. Can't wait for the next videos about cheaper stations though - what a tease! :)
@@sdgelectronics Are you still positive towards the AiXun T3A T12/T235 station as a cheaper option?
@@av_oid yes it works well. There's a version with a different handpiece stand which I'm just waiting to arrive
Yes I have built a JBC clone station from scratch (documented on eevblogs) and can confirm that the peak power over 100w is only useful for rapid reaching of the set temperature. My controller is capable of putting out about 200w but I intentionally limited it to 150w to reduce tip stress, heating barely slowed down anyway. Power rarely goes above 50w when actually soldering...
There are a lot of threads about DIY JBC soldering stations on the eevblog forum and I am interested in building one myself. Do you have a link to your project?
@@uhb79 sure www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/yet-another-quasi-universal-soldering-station-(aimed-at-jbc)/
It's not a polished do it yourself kit but several people have built it and I think you can learn some things if you plan to roll your own
@@kipsus Thank you
There is a cheap system called HANDSKIT T245. It's like KSGER T12 but it works with JBC tips. Do you reckon it would be an improvement over T12 since it takes better tips?
Improvement in terms of power yes, its claiming a rated 144W. But the included handle looks terrible. Also you can get a much larger variety of T12 tips for low prices.
The T245 tips are definitely better in terms of performance, so yes I imagine it would be better.
I watched a video of HANDSKIT T245,the solder station screen was 400 °C within one second after power on,but the tip was about 200 °C on temp meter and was still heating up slowly.
love mine. such an awesome bit of kit
T470 is a monster even metcal can not defeat him. The metcal unit is basic a high power amplifier and the colder the tip is the more is rezoneting and draw more power from the unit. T 470 is a masiv heating element with can put the full 250w power of the station. In your caze the full 150w power . Wath you see for now t 245 is a baby comparing with T470.
One potential reason for the depth of the stand is to accommodate the fume extractor that mounts to the stand (to catch fumes from the handle when put back in the stand). It can be seen around 43 seconds into this video: ua-cam.com/video/-b8sla5zbDE/v-deo.html
Great video as always, but I'm not sure why you feel that higher power delivery capability will shorten the life of the tip. The higher power delivery isn't needed to get up to temperature quickly and should only come into play when the unit is trying to keep the tip at temperature when heating up a large thermal mass. In this case, the extra power delivery will keep the tip temperature more rather than less stable. The tip life will be a strong function of how hot the iron is set to run at, how long it stays at that temperature, how quickly it heats up and cools down, and how clean it is kept, but it's not obvious that any of these are adversely affected by higher power transfer capability. The main problem with the higher power transfer capability is the adverse affect it has on ones wallet, and JBC isn't overly concerned about this...
When you first take the tip out from the stand, the station puts maximum power for that type of cartridge into the heater coil. Some of the other stations are a little more gentle on the heater coil. Outside of that, you're right, it shouldn't present any issues.
As always very good. Nice review, much appriciated, thnx
Гениально, они наконец то поняли, что выключатель должен находиться спереди)))
The JCB stations are real nice but damn expensive. I would love one of these but it’s hard to justify the cost as there are some good mid range alternatives. But there is no question these are not high quality pro units.
I still love an Antex irons. I have had them since a kid and still use them for most work but the handles get too hot at times. The foam on that is a nice idea.
Great review mate.
I have an Antex 690SD sitting in a box on the shelf. It was my soldering iron of choice from around 2004, back when there really wasn't much selection. Antex seem to have lost their way a bit now and have just put the 690SD in a cheap box. It's tempting to break it out to see how the 'old tech' performs in comparison.
@@sdgelectronics yea agreed. I have a 760rwk rework station I use daily that’s ok but nothing special, the iron is good but the unit is a little basic compared to these new ones. I have bunch of their standard irons and they just solid but I’m really tempted to get one of the JBC stations tbh. I’m browsing Kaisertech now and tempted at the CD2BQF. Gear has moved on so much.
Since we're looking at top end soldering stations would you consider reviewing the "Weller WX2021 WXMP, WXMT,WDH50 and 60, 120V Solder and De-Solder" Station - I think you can search for it on Amazon(US) by using the quoted text. It is not cheap by any stretch and all the extra varied tips I bought to supplement mine I'm in up to my neck :-) Maybe Weller can send you one ?
The empty space seen in the modular stand is probably there because they needed to be able to fit the FAE050 fume inlet duct for their fume extractors.
Did you ever get to the bottom of the temp calibration issue? That's a bit concerning for something that costs circa £1000 and that's THAT far out on displayed vs actual temperature.
How much you have played with the tip temperature meter? Do you get repeatable results regardless the contact point of a tip and solder amount? I might buy one
About two months ago the list price of the CDE-2BQA was 395€
It seems to be very repeatable in itself. The accuracy goes off if you don't have enough solder, but it doesn't take long to work out the right amount.
Just today, I discovered that the Metcal MX-5200 can't weld speakers, as long as the terminal is near the magnet, it will immediately go to sleep.
Lithium battery pack soldering and chunky wires would be good to explore for the high power output station
I really like JBC stuff but its so hard to get on top of being already expensive lol. Also I'm using a jabe station. That handpiece definitely gets too hot to touch with some extended soldering
great video,for long time i wanted to see what this station can do but seems the metcal 5200 have no competition
I think the coin test is not fully representative, so I hope to have some tests soon which reduce the potential for errors and external influences.
@@sdgelectronics waiting for the video mi friend
@@arcilonjr You should see JBC Heavy Duty station vs Metcal 5200
Have you reviewed the Xtronic SX-90. It's good looking, cheap and impressive, but don't know how it performs.
This or the 4tool might be my next one. Have the weller WX2 now but I hate the sleep mechanism on that device. And the utterly absurd lack of tip choice.
I assume the extra space in the stand is to allow some of the more exotic tips to fit, JBC has a bunch of rather exotic ones (i believe there is even a small wire tinning solder pot cartridge. Although I doubt you would use that typically with this stand ... But you could.
I was tempted by the 4 tool version, the screen on it looks very nice.
@@sdgelectronics I know, I have been holding off thinking that with the new compact line model (the one that has still not been released 2 years in a row) the 2 and 4 tool models would get an update too... Not so sure now.
@@xConundrumx stay tuned for an update on the JBC CDE-2BQA ;) I don't think the modular stations will get a hardware update for a while though.
I'd buy one... if I didn't already have one.
Always wondered why manufacturers make their stations so big. There is so much empty space inside! I made a station which feeds two irons using cheap Chinese controllers and it is three times smaller than this JBC. And no, I did not use switchmode power supply. I managed to just fit a 240W toroidal transformer. Very happy about the result, barely takes any space on the bench. And the Chinese controllers, surprisingly, work excellent. Why to waste all that space inside the iron!?
I believe that current wasted space, Was/Is for a Fume Extraction add-on. I prefer an external that'll do the same job, my self. each to their own & all that 🖖👍🏻
Good point, you're probably right.
Yes, the fume extractor mounts on the side. I use the large area just behind the cradle, the same as with my PACE stand and that is to have a spot to knock off solder from the tip. I don't get to use the JBC equipment as often as the PACE so I have not heard an official use for this space from the distributor. I also have a seperate smash pot made from an old PACE portable spong holder which is easy to clean.
Because probadly JBC keep temp stably and Metcal goes up with temp. Check Metcal temperature when you soldering coin this would be fine fair test.
The Metcal cannot overshoot temperature, the temperature is set by the curie point of the tip so physics prevents it. I will be testing out though
Metcal idle temp is lower than the their max. Idle tip temperature changes depending tip geometry. Comes to how heatflows go in materials. Tip temp gets usually higher during soldering, but never exceeds max.
I think somewhere Metcal stated idle can be 15°C lower than max temperature.
@sdgelectronics Coin test with JBC set to Metcal's max temperature would be interesting. Short video? :)
Lol where is the soldering on the 4 layer SMT from 1:06
What is the difference between the CD-2BF and the CD-2QBF? As far as I can tell nothing but the former has cartridges supplied with it? :-)
That's the only difference
@@sdgelectronics Thanks. You'd think if they didn't have cartridges with it then you'd have less letters in the product code. JBC don't help themselves. Need to make things clearer.
Steve, in one of the JBC (or clone) videos you made a recommendation of bit dimensions for SMT parts but I now can't find it!
I'm looking to pull the trigger on a JBC compact station with two free bits and whilst I am aware of the recommendations in the JBC catalogue, I'd appreciate your input.
I'd like one bit for 0402 (imperial) upto 1206 and another for through hole pins and soldering wires to terminals to about 22 AWG. I prefer chisel bits to conical wherever possible and am referring to the T245 handpiece.
Many thanks in advance if anyone has any specific recommendations.
My general purpose tip is a 1 or 1.2mm chisel. I've not had much luck with the finer conical tips, they just don't work well. C245-406 is a good one to start with. After that it would be either a 1.6 or a 2.5mm chisel. On my Metcal system, 90% of the time it's just a 1mm chisel in there for everything though.
For drag soldering, C245-067 was quite effective, but you can do it with the 1mm tip too.
@@sdgelectronics Thanks very much indeed for the detailed reply. That was exactly the information I wanted 🙂
I bought a CD station and some stands off ebay to save money.. I still have to switch handles or make a switcher. but still
i have this one its amazing
I love the station i hope you will use this jbc in the new videous . I try a project to make my own jbc soldering iron , i willy upload a video on my chanel if it is a succes . Also very nice video .
It's a very nice system, but we replace the tips far too regularly at my workplace and I don't know if this is down to the users or the tips themselves. It'll be interesting to see how the longevity plays out at my work bench, since I've had seriously long life from my Metcal tips.
@@sdgelectronics but the funy things here is in 8 years you bought 4 soldering station now in 1 month you bought the most good soldering station in the world . Very nice job.
Metcal is the best!!!
Отличный обзор
@ 20:00 - someone hiding a new iron-tip-cleaning gadget? *grin*
It's only a cheapie - I nearly bought one of the expensive ones. I'll do a short video in a few days.
@@sdgelectronics no rush :)
I just noticed becuause I was looking at the jbc website a few days ago and their cleaner caught my eye.
But 400+ is very steep for a motor and a brush.
@@philippschilk6077 I know I saw the same one, Metcal also do a similar unit but cheaper. I nearly bought one, but did think it's a lot of money for what it actually is...
@@sdgelectronics I'll look forward to a video on those cleaners and the nitrogen setup if you ever get around to it :)
Both are on the list of soldering toys I would love to have a play with but I am not gonna spend that much money on.
@@philippschilk6077 Nitrogen will definitely happen, there's not really any information about it out there.
Would be interested to see how the Thermaltronics 9000s compares to the Metcal 5200 😉
TMT-9000S is only 40W output, so same as his MX500 station, better than T12 but likely not enough to beat JBC any more. 5200 is 80W output.
@@jaro6985 didn't realise he already had an mx500. Like you say, they're basically the same. Both use 13.56 MHz curie tech.
@@Chris-hy6jy I'll do a video on the PS900, MX500P and MX5200. The original MX5200 video was only really an unboxing.
@@sdgelectronics pleasseee
I wouldn’t be concerned about 120w vs 150w for tip life
Are you sure that it wouldn't have been cheaper to buy a new house and move?
Allí claramente se ve que la metcal se llevó a todas por el medio claramente se ve que calentó mucho más y más rápido que las demás, no entiendo.
The matter of fact is that
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did I see date and time 17/02/1970?? what is that about strange :-)
Not really made for the home electronics people. We cant claim the vat/tax back or
claim it as a work expense. intersting video 2x👍
True, I have some lower cost systems coming up.
@@sdgelectronics Thanks. Thats more my line Cheap. 👍
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Another one......
Why only low res 360p video? Greetings from Sweden.
UA-cam is being silly taking hours to make the HD versions available. Normally it's done in 10 minutes.