Canon RF 85mm F2 Macro IS vs the Samyang RF 85mm 1.4 | Real World Comparison
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- Опубліковано 29 лис 2020
- In this video, we compare the new Canon RF 85mm F2 Macro IS vs the RF Samyang 85mm 1.4.
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THIS was the comparison I have been WAITING for! Thank you so much for doing this video
Thank you!! Was definitely looking forward to a comparison of these lenses
Great video. Very informative. I had the same issue with some tamron lenses using the R adapter. Even in live view, the focus was just too inconsistent and I didn't feel I could rely on them any longer. I now have RF glass exclusively. Never an issue.
Finally! I was waiting for this, but i went for the Canon RF version a week ago.
Thinking about getting it also. How do you like it? Super sharp?
Thank you for this demo. I was very torn b/w these two primes.
Alex-Thanks so much for this video. It solidified my choice of the Canon 85 f/2. Liked and subbed!
Thank you so much doing this comparison!!
Alex thank you so much for the review! If you ever get it again with an update please let us know if you notice a difference.
That's an amazing comparison, i was waiting for such comparison bcz that price tag does confuse people to go and buy it ...
Great work as always ☺️
Keep it up
Thank you so much for this video! I just purchased the 85mm F2 lens.
Now this right here is quality content great job Alex definitely liked and subscribed .
Thank you!!!!
The firmware update must work because I never experienced focusing problems. BUT I still returned a Rokinon (Samyang) RF 85 f/1.4 and picked up a Canon RF 85 f/2 today. The colors, sharpness, contrast and AF performance convinced me. Thank you for the timely review.
Thank you Alex for very good review. Special thanks for provided RAW files. It helped a lot. For those who is hesitating what to choose, I can give my point of view, as I used to have both lenses. Originally I ordered RF 85 F2.0. Very nice lens. No complains except several things. Front element extends significantly on any occasions. Each time when you insert back the SD card to the camera, the front element moves front and back which is annoying. Placing a workng camera (while the front element is out) on a flat surface (table), immediately generates vibrations as image stabilization gets involved. So, I purchased a lens hood to protect the front tube while moving out. Another issues are really noisy auto focus and very nervous bokeh. The last one is the price. You can get a similar results from ef 85/1.8 in a half of price or even less. So, I returned it. Now I got the Samyang. I also purchased a dock station as I was really scary with the review. My copy came already upgraded with version 3. So, both lenses are used on Canon RP. So far, Samyang has quieter focus , front element doesn't move. It looks very sharp on wide open (F/1.4) . The color rendering is also good. The vignetting wide open is strong. I have checked the diaphragm noise while shooting in a silent mode and yes, Samyang is noisier but it is nothing to complain about it. In terms of reliability only the time will tell. On my opinion it's really nice lens, with much pleasant image rendering compare to Rf85/2.0. I believe the only issue with the review here is the fact that the lens was not updated with the latest firmware, and was tested on the body (Canon R5) which was released after the lens was already on the market. The clear example is, when Alex closed the diaphragm to F/2.0 the lens remains wide open. This is the reason for overexposure on Samyang lens. I hope this explanation might also helps to make a proper decision. Good luck!
Great video. I tried the Rokinin on my EOS R, I had the same problems with the focus hunting. I couldn’t stand it, I sent it back and that’s the reason why I bought the RF 85 1.2. I did not experience the problem with the exposure like you did. But I also thought I had a bad land so I sent it back and have them send me out a second copy and it did the same exact thing. It works better on one shot. But I never had that problem with any other lens either.
I own the Samyang - no such problems
Great Review Alex! I was about to purchase this lense last week and was looking for a review exactly like this but could not find one. I would’ve loved to see this with the New lense update because I have heard of that fixing a lot of the issues and I would’ve loved to see high speed continuous shooting and if the focus would keep up.
Anyway I think you convinced me to buy the canon 85 instead.
Exactly my thoughts. Purchased it, updated the firmware, was no better, sent it back. I’m now saving to get the RF 85mm 1.2. No more third party lenses
I had the same dilemma. I've had my Samyang for couple of days now, including a fotoshoot on Saturday and facing no troubles with my RP, even w/o firmware update. The trouble may be with R5, R6 - the latest firmware 3.0
Fantastic review!!! Thanks!
Great video man, thank you! I will go with the Canon based on your results
Thanks for this review, I’m already on the verge of purchasing the Samyang, luckily 😅 it was out of stock here in Dubai. Now I’m not sure anymore because I have 2 weddings coming up and your final thoughts really are spot on. 😄👍
Alex your comparisons are really really helpful and on point. Could you also compare the RF 85 f2 to the Yongnuo RF 85 1.8?
Great work mate. If possible one day please review the Tamron 85 1.8 VR Ef version
Excellent comparison thanks!
Very interesting comparison. I have the old Samyang EF manual version, and it too has the same color shift, which usually really is not pleasing. Yes, to some extent you can compensate in post, but even though I would appreciate the 1.4, I will probably go for the Canon.
The focusing comments are meaningless w/o stating the Samyang firmware version. Seems it's v1 while it's now v3, released on Oct 22 w/ IBIS, H/H+ support.
Plus the AF on the RF 85 macro can be ridiculously slow even with locked focus for shorter distance. Some say it is OK for photography, but it is a pain in the *ss for videos, and it is shorter than 85mm? This is a no for me.
Latest firmware for Samyang RF 1.4 fixes exposure problems and focus hunting, and also turns on ibis in the R5 body wich does not work with prior firmware for the Samyang.
hey, where did u get the dock? i cant find it online
@@GerardoGherman google + “Samyang lens station for Canon RF”....I contacted my dealer and he bought it and downloaded the new software....service you get from the shops - not on the internet 🙂
Damm the doc is 150 plus the 650 lens smh 🤦 cannon is better at 500
Hello Alex, or anyone else that would like to put in their two cents : )
I'm a big fan of your videos. You have a great attitude, are always upbeat and really give the viewer a solid opinion. I was previously using a crop sensor camera, but due to a terrible coffee accident, took the jump and purchased a EOS R earlier this year. The full frame lenses I utilize are as follows: rf 24-105 f/4L, ef 50mm f/1.8ii, e.f 200mm f/2.8L. The first thing I noticed when switching from a crop sensor to a full frame body was that I lost a lot of separation and bokeh with the 50mm due to the relative decrease in focal length which had previously been approx 81mm or so. I'm not extremely happy with the sharpness of that lens below f/2.8 but I often compromise to f/2.2 to get that nice separation in my images. Naturally, upgrading to the rf 85mm f/2.0 seems like a good option, and I might as well also grab the $200 rf 50mm f/1.8 because it's $200. My question is, do you think it would be a better option to A.) get those two lenses, B.) get the ef 50mm 1.2L even though it's older and on the ef mount, but really gives a lot of artistic possibilities with that aperture size (I would have to use the control ring adapter obviously) or C.) save up and get one of the newer rf 1.2Ls which are currently way out of my price range? Honestly, spending too much over $1000 on a lens may not be cost effective for me at this time. If you would like to look at some examples of my work, you can feel free to check out my instagram page: instagram.com/d.randy_huffman_photo/
Thank you very much for taking the time to read my post,
Randy
I am leaning on the new RF 50 1.8 and the 85 F2. This option would give you newer updated glass in a native mount. It would also keep the size of your kit down. My biggest recommendation with these two lenses is to buy the extra lens hoods. Def helps when shooting in direct sunlight.
@@ABarrera thank you very much for the recommendation. I really appreciate it!
Thank you very much! This allows me to make my mind
Great comparison.
One word about the focal plane. Samyang is very well known for making lenses decentral. So the out of focus part at the bottom of the image could also be because the lens is decentral (manufacturing defect).
I have changes several of my Samyang lenses for this issue before getting a good copy.
Thought I would mention.
I returned the Rokinon (Samyang) lens because of the focus hunting. I was just constantly struggling with it trying to focus, losing subject, being slow, etc.
WoW! Thank you so much!!!
Than kyou Alex! Can you attach some photos for download?
Absolutely both lenses am looking at!!
Have Samyang didn’t have any of those issues that I noticed but I only had it a few days before i updated it. I am going to go back and check it now 😁
I have the Samyang and it's amazing on my RP and look forward to using it on my R6 shortly. Please update the lens using the docking station. Canon of course makes awesome lenses and I enjoy my rf50 and rf35 1.8s but I love destroying the background with my Samyang
Great review! I was thinking about the Canon RF 85mm. The missing focus of the Samyang would be a big issue. I always questioned how they got the lens out so fast.
I would not say it was fast. Hasn’t the mount been out for 2 years or so.
off topic, how are you processing your images, Lightroom and capture one? profiles see to be an issue for me in LR
Hi Alex! I missed a lots of shots even with my canon EF 85 mm 1.2 . Many many...
In the camera menu you can disable the random focus hunting
The AF of my Samyang RF 85 1.4 works totally fine on my R6 (firmware v3). The IBIS works as well on the Samyang. When reviewing lenses, please make sure to use the latest firmware.
I heard this on another review, If this is true i an leaning towards the samyang
Do I understand correctly that I need an extra station to perform the update?
@@TubeFreak44 yes
@@franksmith7246 well that's kinda dumb.
@@TubeFreak44 true
I don’t yet own a 85mm for my canon EOS R. But I would like to add it to my collection. A few weeks ago a rented the Canon EF F1.4 . I was suprised how many shoots were in focus. I would like to use the 85mm for loveshoots en family photosessions. Would you recomment the RF 85mm f2.0 or the EF 85mm f1.4
I look forward to Sigma eventually offering some RF mount lenses. Their success with Sony E mount lenses is well-established, especially the Art series.
I guess that won't be happening....
@@apamacam4838 apparently, no time soon.
I have the sigma 35mm 1.4 art, and with the firmware updated I don't have any problems with the autofocus in 6 years.
Alex, you disclosed the conditions under which you were able to make this review. A single day of shoot without the latest firmware is not the best scenario to appreciate what a lens is or is not. Thank you for your hard work under difficult circumstances and I hope you get the opportunity to get back to us on that later... in the spirit of fairness :)
If I get another kind person to loan me an up to date lens I got you!
Looks like the Samyang is shooting at a wider aperture when you set it to f2.0. That would explain the brighter than simulation pictures since the camera does it with the lens wide open, and greater bokeh balls in the Samyang pictures when you compare them at the same aperture.
So true. Even though there is a new firmware for the Samyang, I would still choose to stick with mamas lenses! I tend to keep my lenses for years so I do not mind paying more. That beeing said, I will be very interested to see the Sigma 85mm DN version that is already available for Sony
when you slightly shake lens(rf 85 f/2.0), does it has free play of inner barrel (wobble)?
Iam using eosr wedding photography which is best canon or samyung canon is macro
Thank you!!!
8.15 bluring is more, because the head is a little closer camera and focus is a little closer that do huge different in background. For this comparision you must use stabile model.
It's interesting, because here in the UK, especially during sales, you can easily find the Samyang for £480 ($640), but the Canon has been a constant £650 ($870). I'll let you be the judge of which deal makes more sense.
Thank you!! I bought the Canon: the IS and 35cm focus distance were the clinchers for me. And now you showed the focus reliability issues with the Samyang I am happy with my decision. Although, that bokeh on the 1.4 was very nice, but at the expense of focussing inaccuracy, I can live without it!
Another thing you didn't mention - on the Canon RF lenses I find the control ring very useful. I normally use it for aperture, I'm old-school and my first SLRs' lenses back in the 1980s had real aperture control rings so I've really enjoyed going back to that. Especially with the clicky sensation so it real feels like an aperture control ring. I also use the M-fn button to give me depth-of-field preview, which is incredibly useful in everyday shooting. Cheers bro, keep 'em coming! 📸👍🏻
What I think is that Sigma needs to hurry up and release some RF glass before I start picking up Samyang lenses. Right now I am using an EF 85mm f1.4 Sigma Art adapted to my EOS RP, but I would love to have a smaller lighter native RF 85mm lens. Don't get me wrong I love that Sigma Art 85mm, it's an absolutely fantastic lens that makes some beautiful photos, but it is such a pain to lug around.
Also just for what it's worth I have never had an issue with my Sigma lenses missing focus on my RP... On my old DSLR body I had issues with them missing quite frequently when shooting through the viewfinder. But I also found that when shooting in live view the hit rate was actually almost perfect. That was actually a large part of why I wanted to upgrade to a mirrorless camera, and so far I have not been disappointed because it just works.
Like others said, it‘s the firmware.
With 3.0 you can take really sharp pictures with the Samyang at 1/10 of a second too. Because with FW 3.0 the IBIS of the R6 is working together with the Samyang.
Samyang is famously known for their lack of quality control while you may have a good model there are many that have flaws.
Marcus Free , but the same is told about Sigma and Tamron. If you buy a lense for half the price of an original, you know that you don‘t get the same. On the other side I have had a brand new Sony lense, that was awful before Sony repaired it for me. A few years ago the same game with a Nikon prime lense. 🤔🙂
@@frankelbefotografie unfortunately that's just not true. Up until about a year ago I was still working for a camera store in New York part-time and it's nothing like the other third party brands. They just don't have good quality control do other brands have bad units 100% but it's not on the same level it just isn't
If I switch the Samyang lens to manual focus mode will it focus precisely and show me exactly one will focus?
Great comparison. I’m subbing so that you can buy lenses so that I don’t have to! Lol! 📸
The firmware will never change the Samyang letting much less light through with a given f-stop.
Same with the curved plane of focus.
Are these lens discontinued? I need a reasonably priced 85mm for my RP any suggestions anyone?
Image stabilization is only a suitable substitute for a wider aperture if your subject isn't moving.
The compression on the Samyang is nice, and the 1.4 is nice too - both great value 🤷🏻♀️
I have the samyang down here in San Antonio, I also have the lens station for it. Samyang just put out an update for that lens for the RF mount and the only way to update that lens is with the lens station, I purchased my lens station from Rokinon or you can send the lens in. The update V.3 improves the lens substantially 👌🏾
I own a Samyang RF 85mm 1.4 and i don't have this issue on my Canon eos R .May be a bad copy or as you said a firmware problem
Thank you for posting this because i am considering getting this lens for my eos R
@@supernupe Me too
@@supernupe I got it for £479 Wich was a good deal and so far I love it. It is not perfect as got a lot of vignetting but it doesn't affect me on portrait, easy to remove it in post production I'd needed
I bought it a week ago and I have the same exact issue.
@@FatihNayebi I believe you can return it
I'm no expert but you had iso 125 on the canon and iso 200 on the samyang so I think that was the reason why the samyang was slightly over exposing? Great comparison none the less 👍🏽
When I purchased my EOS R8, my lenses are Tamron 35mm f1.4, Tamron 70-200mm f2.8 G2 and Canon EF 24-105mm f4 Mark 1.
Now I sold my Tamron 35mm f1.4 and currently selling my Tamron 70-200mm f2.8 G2.
The EF 24-105mm f4 Mark 1 is my backup lens if I need a more walkaround lens that have better reach.
I decided to have 1st party lens and change my lens setup now I'm using RF 15-35mm f2.8 mostly as I love wide lens and planning to buy RF 85mm f2 for portrait.
Unless Canon allowed 3rd party lens, I will stick with 1st party lens.
Still hoping for a Tamron 35-150 f2-2.8 in a RF mount and pair it with my RF 15-35mm f2.8.
Great Review
What tripod ballhead are you using in this video?
Will samyang 85 1.4 RF work with canon R8 bodies as of oct 2023?
I don't think the Samyang has field curvature, as you can see in Christopher Frost's review. Maybe it's the fact that the camera is tilted slightly downwards to put the face in the upper third of the picture?
How is rf 85 f2 for wedding photography? Betterthan samyang f1.4??
Samyang with the latest firmware (dec2020) does autofocus perfectly and faster than the Canon f2.0 (that drove me nuts when getting the correct moment on a walk of a Model). Also, Video autofocus is nearly noiseless and smooth and without pumping on an R6. With the Canon Lens, you need always use the limiter, and sometimes it tries to go the wrong direction when you changed the scene (from narrow to distance or the other way round). Recommendation without the latest firmware is not perfect. But what really is much better on the Canon Lense is less distortion (when not corrected), less vignetting, and higher contrast (more brilliant colors), and of course as you mentioned it the Macro capability. But faces render perfectly smooth and sharp on the Samyang with an elegant transfer from the sharp area to the background. Models usually like that pleasing skin rendering (not too much contrast on defects but perfect sharpness on contours). Samyang really does care about improving the firmware on their lenses and that pays off. The only thing is either having a USB port on the lens or giving a dock to every customer so everyone can benefit from their work. Perhaps ask them if they can lend you another one, well centered with the up to date firmware to verify the capabilites.
I have the Samyang RF 85 1.4 and the sigma EF 85 1.4. The samyang lens got way better with the firmware. Before the update the IBIS in my r6 did not even work with the lens. However I found the lens slight missing focus even though eye af was locked, even after the update. My sigma 85 did the exact same thing with my previous camera, the eos R. On the R6 however, the Sigma does NOT miss one single shot. It is extremely accurate. This kind of sucks because the formfactor, the weight and the filter diameter on the Samyang is truly amazing. The sigma is unpleasant to bring and almost 1kg heavier, + you have to use the ef-rf adapter.
which one is better in terms of image quality and sharpness sigma art or Samyang?
I have the samyang, and the newest firmware. No hunting issues at all. I had an issue that the IBIS was not working with the original firmware once I updated no issue. I do notice it does not track animal eye autofocus as well as my Canon lenses. The funny thing is I have hunting pulsing issues with my canon ef 70-200 on both the R5 and the R. But don't have the issue with the samyang.
Thanks for the feedback bc I'm checking the Samyang for my R.
Is the continous AF is turned on? If this is the case, the AF is working every time, even if you don't push a button. The continous AF is not needed. It only drains the battery.
Nice review
Is this before or after the recent Samyang firmware update to support af and IBIS with R6 and R5 ? Sorry...you just acknowledge it
Nice. Happy with my canon RF85F2
Can you confirm any noise from motor when focusing for video?
That's what I'm asking for 👍👍👍
This "hunting for focus" is typical for firmware1 with r5/r6..it will be fixed with firmware Samyang V3.
I am really disappointed, Alex, that you have not included this well-known and important point in your comparison. R5 / r6 with Samyang firmware V3 cannot be compared with V1!
Why are you disappointed? He explained and showed us the issues he was having with the lens and also mentioned that it could be firmware related but he didn't know for sure. Would it be better to say the lens performs better with V3 but not have actually shot with V3 firmware? It also wasn't his lens so I can understand not updating the firmware when you borrow someone else's lens for a day. He managed to get a copy of the lens, get some very useful shots in trying conditions, get his wife to be a volunteer model for the day again and put together a great real world use comparison for you to watch for free.
"Thanks" might be a more appropriate word, instead of "disappointed".
@@innerspeakerconsulting1296 a comparison without an actual firmware is senseless. Alex did wonderful reviews, I really like his work. But an review reaches a lot of persons, has to be well prepared . Just my cup of tea...
I found that the hunting for focusing on the Samyang RF 85mm f1.4 was due to continuous AF being enabled. I disabled continuous AF and the lens quit hunting automatically.
Is the problem there even after the firmware update to v.3?
Well the samyang lens does its job way better than expected! But only after I did a firmware update to version 3. For a price around 600 € it's well worth it!
And how the lens feels after the update? Is the focus better and without hunting a lot?
@@damir10535 yes was better... The AF is much quicker now
I have the Sony E-mount 85mm F1.4 samyang lens & all the issues you have I don't get.. im not saying its a canon issue but .. Canon needs to start working better with 3rd party manufacturers like Sony do . also you should try & test it again with the updated firmware as you conclusion is not really fair on Samyang
Just a question, from an image quality point of view, the samyang is better that the tamron SP85 1.8 ? Is it worth to move to the samyang ?
Unfortunately I’ve never tried the Tamron
i know this video is rather old but wonder what you think to use the samyang for video - maybe "best" on a tripod interview kind of work. Cant imagine using it for any action or big camera movements anyways. haha
Did not test it for video unfortunately
That was a sooo much wanted comparison, and I totally agree, that you have to be able to rely on your gear when you are at a gig. So I think Canons RF will be in my bag instead of the Sammy. Da**... I hoped for some other result.
I might had missed it. Which camera was this tested on? I assume it’s either an R6 or R5 given there is IBIS involved
R5
None of those issues with my samyang 85. May just be a bad lens.
Interesting, I have Samyang and it's no problem with it. AF is great, it's Sharp, maybe white balance is little warmer.
I found the same.. .
Does it have curved plane of focus like in this video?
Great comparison! I went with the Canon for the reasons mentioned. The IS alone puts it a step ahead, everything else not even considered yet.
samyang. - i still use old manual 85 1.4. - love it.
I have the E-mount version of the Samyang 85/1.4 AF for my Sony and it works great. The dock and firmware update are easy to get. Sam Hurd recommends the Samyang over the Canon RF, except for macro and video. See his video titled "Canon 85 2.0 // why I returned it".
Great review. I will have to voucher Alex's review. I recently purchased the samyang lens under retail, pretty much the same price as the new Canon 85mm 2.0. All the things that are happening with my Samyang, is true. It is a bit of a learning curve but a minor pain as well. I agree with Alex's summary. I am not a wedding photographer, so this lens suits my photography needs. I still think this lens a good buy, even with its minor flaws. Oh yeah, you never mention the weather sealing on the Samyang ;)
Strangely, my Canon 85/1.8 brought me a horrible amount of misfocussed (front focussed) images back home on the R6, while my Sigma lenses were reliable. Currently rather clueless why, because it is difficult to get the same bad results.
And I would not say Canon lenses are more reliable. The 50/1.2 for example was a focus diva back in the days and I always preferred the Sigma 50/1.4 Art against it. With the exception of the 35/1.4 which wasn´t on point before updating, I never had focussing issues on any Sigma lenses, even back in the days shooting with Sony (pre-Art 50mm).
hey Alex, awesome video! I would love to know how the RF lenses compare to the EF ones from canon on the R5/R6? Do you have any experiences with those?
My previous video I talked about the EF 85 1.8 with the R5.
12:10 most people do not shott continuous AF and therefore will not have that issue.
You are trading background blur but also the ability to stop action by one stop if you don't want to up your ISO. What was the firmware version on the Samyang?
I've been looking at both of these lenses for a while now but I finally bought the canon version and I do not regret it.
im probably gonna buy the canon as well. From this video, canon's colors look better.
Went the opposite route, don't regret it either ;)
Where are you finding the Canon in stock? Been sold out everywhere in the US for months. I have it saved to notify me on Canon Pricewatch when its available and I haven't seen a single one in stock.
@@michaelbell75 I live in Sweden 😊
@@Soarpix3D Är du nöjd med f/2? Jag kan inte bestämma mig för vilken jag ska köpa men är så sugen på f/1.4!
I was using the Samyang 85mm f/1.4 on my Sony mirrorless, but did not like the yellow tint. Easy to fix in post but it means that I can't see a color accurate image during shoot. I now use the Sigma 85mm f/1.4 DN mostly instead.
How do you fix the yellow tint? It's in so many of my photos.
@@HorsesNBayonets Most edit programs have a slider, or some kind of tool, that adjusts the color warmth between yellow and blue. Move it just a tad towards blue.
@@artmaltman The hue, saturation, or luminance? Or color temperature?
@@HorsesNBayonets i was thinking of color temperature. You could experiment with hue if you like as well.
Would removing the lens and putting it back on stop the pulsing on the Samyang?
No. The lens needs a firmware update for R5/R6 and then that issue is fixed. The issue does not occur on the RP or R. This was either shot prior to the FW update being available, or they did not know about the update. Unfortunately you need a $60 USB dock to perform the update, but even with that additional cost you are still less than 1/3 the cost of the 85L.
I'm tempted to get the Samyang because it's $100 off at the moment...but I already have a 50mm and 135mm and need to talk myself out of not needing it. Yeah, I think i'll pass on the Samyang. Thanks for the review & comparison.
For weddings and events you need the 85 1.2