Was so good this line when I first played the game back then. I think it was the first time any media really got to me like that I loved it so much. The voice work in this series was soo good.
***** at least he's not truly dead (or not any more dead than before) He's just an indestructible super sword now. I like to think he can still talk to Kain from inside the sword
T Manry Good writers can always change the story around somehow. Instead of letting Kain impale him, Raziel could also use the physical reaver himself, as his wraith blade couldn't damage the squid. But replacing the elder god's voice is impossible. No one has ever had, or will ever have the voice of Jay. But good writers could easily rewrite this. Have Raziel get his revenge on the Elder God, and then you could start of the sequel from another point - to take down the Hylden.
Square Enix owns the rights to LoK at this point. They were making a sequel called 'Dead Sun' but they canceled it. They were rolling the multiplayer component of Dead Sun into a MOBA called 'Nosgoth' but they canned it early this year.
why do you think that is ? :) At this point even if they do it's going to be a shitty remake.. as the gaming industry is owned by same people who own the rest so they let you think what they want : )
Really love when Kain realizes what Raziel had done and is still there, just trapped in the sword and says "For you would not fear *US* unless *WE* could truly do you harm!" Got me pretty choked up the first time I played it lol.
@Kent Kerr well if you also look at it in kain's perspective raziel was his son after he brought him back from the dead to be his first lieutenant because they shared the same blood once he revived him as a vampire he was very loyal and thought best for kain's kingdom
@@adrianperez6472 Pretty sure he cared about all his kids. He said it best in Soul Reaver "You've no idea about the mass of doubt and regrets I have borne ever since Mortanius first turned me from the light!" He wasn't happy about how shit had to come down at all.
@@TheKain202 I pretty much already said that just not in full detail cause let's be real raziel was his first born so he got more abilities due to the fact before centuries kain's blood was already predicted to be tainted by unpure blood cause the curse that fell upon their race raziel was lucky I believe to have been first chosen and afterwards destined to do phenomenal things that people couldn't even comprehend he got that last bit of kain's true inner strength kain was weakened on his first blood omen and had to regain strength as a god he mentions alot of these things in all the legacy of kain games soul reaver is kain's legacy is obvious and a great title in both together as one
@@HoliGallistur1023seriously! So many good lines for the Elder God! He’s one of my favorite villains to quote, like the Gravemind from Halo. Intelligent villains like these guys and Magneto speak with twisted reason that makes too much sense sometimes.
Zurgo Pussysmasher I asked that in other videos. I bet that most haven't and are just impressed by the somewhat unusual dialogue and equal it with Shakespeare. I don't mean to lower the story of these games, but comparing them to Shakespeare is a bit inappropriate/ridiculous.
@@malafakka8530 That and on top of it Shakespeare's stories had a lot killing in it already but all he probably read was A Midnight Summer's Dream in highschool or some shit.
It is kinda sad. Raziel spent this whole time trying to escape his fate, only to just accept it in the end, realizing how crucial his part is in saving Nosgoth.
Not the only one man, the Legacy of Kain series were one of the few games that managed to keep me completely engaged, both intellectually and emotionally. I only pity the newer generations that will never experience it, because they would consider it obsolete.
2:33 reminds me of that bit of snark that Raziel gave the elder god in SR2: "And if I told Mobius he was worshipping a giant squid, do you think his faith would falter?". He ended up actually showing him, heheheh....
@@masterexploder9668 Faltered? It straight up was crushed and died. Mobius didn't just lose some of his faith he outright become unfaithful in that moment knowing his "God" is nothing more than a monster. I bet he was expecting something more holy looking much like the original Vampires.
Moebius has one of the most satisfying conclusions for a villain in all of video games, I think. Offed by BOTH protagonists, each in a way that he didn't and couldn't foresee, had the true nature of his servitude revealed to him with terrifying futility, and ultimately had both his life and very identity destroyed. Points 2 and 3 are especially poignant, given he was a character who arrogantly presumed to be one step ahead of the game when it came to everyone else; all the while, he never knew what he was serving or the terrible ramifications.
Speaks a lot about religion itself if you ask me. I've found with Legacy of Kain, when I played it through and through growing up as a child. It's made me who I am today, heavily philosophical, "thinky" and to quote dozens of people I've met "vocally eloquent". Primarily Kain's philosophies, reasoning and fragments of personality integrated into me over the past decade and half since I was old enough to understand the Legacy of Kain series growing up. Sometimes my national vocabulary comes out but most times I just talk as I did growing up which is similar to Kain or Raziel. I can't change it. We are who we're supposed to be. This game leaves impacts on people that won't easily be forgotten, sadly due to it's age it's easily overlooked, at their personal peril. If there's anybody who is looking for Blood Omen 1 as well by the way, yourself included Kelly, I do have a stable version of it from many moons ago. Tis' but a simple file transfer, I can upload it to my Google Drive. If people want it, I'll upload it, I'll check back.
Actually a triple whammy. Don't forget that the antagonist tossed him into the spiritual recycler. The Elder is very rude & crude and may cause Moebius to live again just to torment him further.
"Do you so enjoy death?" I love that reaction. Moebius rises and instantly gets skewered again. Kain's through playing around, he's got all the time in the world to sit there and kill Moebius over and over until someone gets bored.
I love it because it applies to both raziel and movies. Raziel feeds on death literally. Raziel craves death that's why he submits to the reaver. Not too mention raziels existence up until this point has been a never ending cycle of birth and death (human Saraland, vampire, and wraith) I've always thought that raziel IS the wheel. He's the wheel trying to unfuck itself. Like a matrix fixing corrupted data
Such good writing and dialogue. Kain is the perfect anti-hero, imo and Raziel is portrayed perfectly as someone who wants to do the right thing, but has his own doubts and is manipulated at every turn. Oh and Raziel standing behind Moebius in the Spectral Realm looking 110% done with his shit is badass and a tiny bit amusing
I dont think Raziel cared for anyone other than himself. He is no hero, even less so than Kain, who truly wants to better the outcome of everything - including Nosgoth as a whole. Raziel only seeks vengence. Pretty selfish, stubborn and selfcentered. Only in the end Raziel sees the bigger picture.
@@ranzigerkaefer Well then you haven't been paying attention. Raziel is not self-serving like Kain. He is only blinded by anger and desire for vengeance in the first game, which is why the Elder God has such a hold on him in Soul Reaver, but he quickly loses trust in the Elder God as he becomes more aware of what is going on in the sequels. And his entire motivation for bringing back Janos is out of respect and a genuine desire to do good. He is a perfect mirror to Kain. He suffers the same corruption, and is malicious and horrible as a human and as a vampire, but becoming a wraith changes him for the better and he ultimately gives up on vengeance for vengeance's sake when he stops himself from stabbing Kain with the Soul Reaver (you know, that scene you conveniently forgot about which completely unravels your entire argument?) and plunges it into the tomb of William the Just instead. Frankly... I am _amazed_ that you could absorb so much of the plot and come to this dumbass conclusion. Raziel is quite possibly one of the few arguably "good" characters in the Legacy of Kain series to begin with. I can only assume you watched some of the first game's cutscenes (and not even all of them, because even in the first he feels genuine regret about killing one of his siblings), fell asleep partway through, and then woke up to this cutscene and then made your stupid fucking comment, because that is the only way to explain your _stupid. fucking. comment._
I loved this scene, even the logistics of it. Raziel was trapped in the spectral realm until Kain killed Moebius, thus granting the means for Raziel to escape. If Moebius didn't go there and Kain didn't kill him, Raziel would have been stuck forever in the spectral realm. I was really that one event when the coin lands on it's edge, as Kain stated.
also remember that the elder god took away the portals back to the physcial realm as punishment for raziel's disobediance. Portaling through a corpse back into the physical realm was a cheat raziel figured out.
Raziel would’ve eventually found a way into the physical realm. It’s the way the world works where history abhors a paradox. He HAS to be in the Soul Reaver. There is no choice in the matter and no fate could overwrite this.
@@ranzigerkaefer Actually, whenever the Reaver stabs Raziel, it forces him into the blade while simultaneously freeing himself. There is only ever one soul in the Soul Reaver blade. That’s why when Raziel sacrifices himself at the end, the Reaver, which was pure of all corruption, cleanses Kain of his curse while the Raziel we followed is put into the Reaver.
"The Soul Reaver, Kain's ancient blade - older than any of us, and a thousand times more deadly. The legends claimed that the blade was possessed, and thrived by devouring the souls of its victims. For all our bravado, we knew what it meant when Kain drew the Soul Reaver in anger - it meant you were dead."
"Time fades even legend, and the origin of Soul Reaver has been lost long ago. But its purpose remains - to feed on the souls of any creature it strikes. Kindred, this blade and I."
When going through this game i thought Moebius is just having the worst day of his life, Kain sneaks up behind him and stabs him then Raziel sneaks up behind him and he gets stabbed again ha ha, too poetic.
It definitely was the worst day of his life. Before this scene, he had already been beheaded by the younger Kain (Blood Omen) then resurrected. Only to get killed by the older version of Kain, then stabbed by Raziel and his soul devoured.
Fucking hell the Legacy of Kain/Soul Reaver games had one of the GREATEST stories that I have personally ever had the pleasure of watching unfold. They don't make them like this anymore let me tell you.
well i can see passion in naughty dog's games nowadays. Given more time and success, they might make a one with stories close enough to a game with this much caliber such as LOK series. Don't lose hope yet
jediknightgeo I Couldn't agree more with you, This was without a shadow of a doubt, the best story based game I have ever had the pleasure of playing, watching the whole story unfold right before my eyes was the most exquisit experince I had. I wish they would remake it for the current consoles.
Raziel knew just how much he was sacrificing when he gave himself to the reaver. In time it would twist and derange him :( Even his vanpire death when he was cast into the lake of the damned spending eons feeling non stop excrutiating pain then being stuck in a mangled corpse beyond death but not above pain. No one knew the levels of pain, despair, and hate like Raziel but despite the nightmare that is his life he STILL chooses to fight and sacrifice EVERYTHING for a world that has only given him pain.
@Gabriel Amadej I somehow doubt that it is Raziel's role as a Soul Reaver. First and foremost - it is Kain who first stole their souls with a part of his own. And it is combined part of his soul that Raz carried after killing Turel (which is probably the reason WHY Kain started to act as a conductor for the Reaver). So tell me - who was the first "Soul Reaver" in this situation? "Kindred, this sword and I"
What I always liked in this scene was that not only did Raziel realize what his destiny truly was, BUT also how Kain didn't wish for him to die, and in the end, Raziel gave Kain so much by purifying him of Nuptraptor's madness, not just the power of the purified Soul Reaver to hurt the Elder with, but also something a fatalist like him never expected to gain, as he said in the epilogue-- a taste of hope.
@@TartarusPyro Nupraptor ended up "infecting" the Pillars of Nosgoth and its associated guardians with a sort of spiritual disease which would drive them to madness. It also was passed from Kain to his vampire lieutenants since he put a portion of his own soul into them - which is why they gradually began to devolve into monstrous forms. That's what Raziel cured when he let himself be taken into the Reaver.
@@TartarusPyro It wouldn't have worked. Kain knew Raziel had the means to be able to change their fates when he used Moebius' devices over the centuries after he refused the sacrifice to restore the Pillars, since those devices Moebius used to see into time allowed Kain to learn Raziel's soul was in the Soul Reaver, and thus he could be able to free Raziel from his predetermined fate, and thus allow them to choose their own fates, such as his to become the Scion of Balance as he was meant to be.
@@BryonYoungblood to expand on this even further, he got the confirmation he needed once he saw his wings. Look at his face in Soul Reaver 1 during Raziel revealing his evolution. You could almost say, it's the same as when the Apocalypse in the movie Xmen found out about Charles Xavier and his powers. He had it. "The answer". One that would allow him to flip the coin. One last time.
Thing is, some people still believe Kain hated Raziel and was jealous when in fact it's the complete opposite, Kain cared about Raziel more than they know, he displays this in SR2 and Defiance as seen here when he wants to save Raziel and find another way. We only get Raziel's perspective which he thought Kain had him thrown into the Abyss out of jealousy and hatred when Kain threw him in there to change their destinies, why did he rip off his wings, so he couldn't, you know, fly away. You can see it even pained Kain to have Raziel thrown into the Abyss like that as not only was that his son but we all know how sadistic Kain can be and would have watched the whole thing or done it himself if he hated Raziel that much but he didn't, another way to tell Kain did it for both of them was when he was waiting for Raziel in the throne room of the Sanctuary along with purposefully shattering the blade so Raziel could have a part of his soul back to create the Wraith Blade, no one waits for 500 years on the off chance someone will arrive unless they knew exactly what was going to happen, besides, Kain knew Raziel wouldn't follow him and be able to uncover their destinies unless he had some motivation. God i miss this series.
He killed all of raziel's clan him seeing the future doesn't change his feelings he could see the future but he couldn't control it he killed raziel out of jealousy and the original SR1 was going with raziel destroying all the vampires
If he cared about Raziel then he wouldn't have let him in the sword .. but in dead sun it says that kain cared about raziel because he went to the past to kill his younger self
It's implied Kain didn't wait but rather used the Time Chamber to travel in time to Raziel's arrival. One of Raziel's siblings, i don't remember who exactly, mentions that after the execution Kain was nowhere to be found, he vanished without a trace, leaving behind his doomed empire. And yes - he executed Raziel to both have the latter revived as a wraith and give him motivation to look for Kain.
He did he murdered all of raziel's clan because he was a jealous bitch he saw that someone with raziel's clan symbol a blue creature would destroy his sorry ass so he got jealous and killed raziel and his clan and when raziel came back he shat his pants and started begging for him @@Hoonters-goona-Hoont
The series that left us all with the ultimate cliffhanger.....Kain finally becomes the true Scion of balance and then.........NOTHING!!!!! The series is canceled. I did love how Kain kept saying "US" when talking to the elder god. He had always viewed Raziel as his partner. I would even go as far as to say, friend.
It's a perfect ending. I see no cliffhangers there. Both Raziel and Kain had fulfilled their destinies. The Elder God had been sealed away. Even Kain's words before the final battle predict it: "This is the *end*... The final turn of your Wheel." Would it even make sense to continue the story? What would the plot be? Kain walks at the pillars, the end.
@@Ouromia It's not the fact that Kain has beaten the elder god; it's that he embodied with Raziel's soul, and without the heart of darkness, is removed from the wheel of fate. Now he has the true power to master his destiny and try to restore the pillars and return them to the vampire's without the meddling of Mobius' omniscience and the elder gods power. This is why there should have been a sequel but it seems it was not meant to be. None the less you are right it was a perfect end to a story that would (might) not be finished
They stopped Janos Auldren (I think their name is) as they were posessed by a Hylden creature, I'm sure they stopped the Hylden from escaping their realm? I guess it's a kinda ending, maybe they'll return to it someday. If not though I'm still grateful we got this masterpiece
The Legacy of Kain is so well written. It's ridiculous, utter madness that the series ended so prematurely. Kain is easily the greatest, complex video game protagonist ever. The series is HIS story even when he's not the "hero".
no one is in this series ;-) No one is absolutely good or absolutely evil. Not even Moebius or the Squid. Maybe only the Hylden, for they are the only players which want to end all life except themselfs.
@@ranzigerkaefer even the hylden are arguably evil. don'tforget thattheir only "crime" against the ancient Vampires was not being a follower of the Vampire's Religion of the "Wheel of Fate"(and the vampires were ignorant that the core tenet of their religion had been hijacked by a parasite). and for this " crime" they were banished...not gonna lie i'd be a bit salty aswell for that. their solution of " killing all life" comes from the fact they understand to some degree how ot shutdown the cycle of death and rebirth(and as demons they were exempt from the wheel anyway.) if anything the truly evil entity of the series is the Elder God.
Rziel eyes, when he sees mobius , i can only imagine, how he savors the moment. This game story, and superb voice acting is what makes it a memorable game. TBH i played the soul reaver series, because of the story, Except Blod omen 1 on ps, that had good gameplay also.
This is the only game from the series that I ever played and I was blown away. I had no idea who most of the people were but the story was VERY interesting. I wish they could have finished it.
@@timboslice9905 it really saddens me how this game series wasn't finished they had one more game just one and they bailed on all the fans! I would even be satisfied if there was a statement put out by the creators on how the story concludes! I want closure
FUUUUCKK!!!! We need another legacy of Kain!! DX the entire series story was fucking incredible!! You never get such deep drawing stories like this in games!! The LOK saga was truly a masterpiece and deserves a continuation or a remastering
For Kain this sacrifice of Raziel is a complete shock and horrible thing for him. For Raziel he's already made his choice and willingly gave his life in the end to give others hope.
He killed all of raziel's clan.. he didn't even bother to remove the sword .. raziel basically had to do what kain didn't have the balls to do himself and that is sacrificing himself for the world .. stop making kain look good he's trash
In this scene Kain tried to pull the sword out of him but Raziel would not let him. In this case, Raziel gave Kain the means to finally fulfill his role as Scion of Balance.
ljklmoiaoklml ljkajksjdklfma He didn’t remove it because Raziel told him it was the only way. And what do you mean “do what kain didn’t have the balls to do”? Only raziel could purify Kain to be able to fight the Elder god.
I remember when I first saw this, it hit me right in the feels, still does. Raziel did everything to try and protect Raziel because he was always his favored son. I remember I never caught this the first time through but upon replaying the series after finishing, you realize Kain didn't look as they cast Raziel into the abyss because it hurt him to do it. No series has ever grabbed me, story wise, the way this one has. Mass Effect (the original trilogy) is the only one that comes close.
The Kain of that time already knew what would happen to Raziel once he was cast into the Abyss, it was a necessary step for Raziel to attain free will, which is the only weapon they can use against fate. Ultimately, it was free will which allowed Raziel to make his own sacrifice and fulfill the prophecy of the Vampire and Hylden Champions: the two murals of one champion destroying the other did not mean Raziel would choose his side as Vorador had imagined, rather it was symbolic of Raziel's self inflicted destruction by the Reaver blade.
Kain was originally intended to be killed by Raziel at the end of Soul Reaver, and the vampires wiped out. Making the Elder God technically a good guy. So the fact he looked away when Raziel was killed probably can't be interpreted this way, rather it was Kain taking the steps he knew were needed, and this developed into the story we eventually got when Soul Reaver had to be scaled back. I'm quite happy that they had to change the story to be honest, what we got was so much richer than just Kain = bad go kill him.
@@armi999 It was confirmed by Hennig that the OG story of the SR1 would still somehow lead to Retail version of the events. "So the story would have arrived at a similar place, just by a different route."
The moment kain realizes he has impaled raziel you can se how shocked he is, you can se he doesnt want to kill him again, it weigts on him. You can se hes feeling some for of pain, perhaps sadness in his body languaje as he tries to pull back imediatly in hopes to save him, then his eyes, realizing hes killing him or so he tinks, the way he then holds him, you can se he does it gently...he might say hes heartless...but in this few moments you can se he did cared about raziel...those NO are proff
The elder god did tell Kain it was always Kain's destiny that mattered when he and Raziel were discussing Kain's presumed death. The elder god always knew that Kain and Raziel were the key.
@Gabriel Amadej The funny fact is that I believe that Kain knew that it is Raziel's "double the soul = double the nature" that has made him into a Soul Reaver. Kain stole his soul from abyss with a part of his own to create weapon that he examines as "Kindred". Whether he unknowingly lamented on the irony of the sword becoming "Soul Reaver" or being himself a "Soul Reaver" in the future.
I loved how Kain immediately dropped all his stoicism and arrogance and was concerned for Raziel once Raziel finally saw it his way. He really did care for him and was not so heartless after all.
Kain ALWAYS cared for Raziel. Even when casting him into the abyss. He was shackled by fate. Raziel was simply the final sign he needed. Soul Reaver 1 paints Kain as cruel, and uncaring. But, Soul Reaver 2, paints Kain differently. More like a professor if you like, giving Raziel riddles, with which to progress.
I loved this, though wish the story could have gone on, Kain and Raziel both giving Mobius what he had coming was delicious. Also, it seems like Kain actually cared for Raziel like a friend in the end, despite all they'd been though.
Kain always cared about Raziel and considered him his closesed friend. Everything he did was so Raziel could obtain his free will and make his choice. That is the main reason I like this series so much.
vuto dilkov Agreed, this is the beauty of the series. Here we have Kain doing something we'd never expect him to do (risking everything for someone else), but he still does it in very Kain-like way (doing whatever he has to to accomplish it).
Everything Kain did to Raziel was to save him from becoming the spirit inside of the soul reaver, the same spirit the Raziel merges with in Soul Reaver 1. Kain was trying to prevent Raziel from being trapped in an infinite loop.
Yes Kain always cared about Raziel. He had to play the role of the jealous bastard to make sure Raziel would pursue him as he saw in the future. (Your reckless indignation brought you here. I counted on it!). If you revisit SR1's intro in this new light you can actually see pain in Kain's face. He is not disgusted by Raziel wings, he is disgusted by what they mean and what this means he has to do next.
Raziel proclaimed he would choose integrity over his selfish desires. Kain dismissed his motives as revenge, but in the end, Raziel proved he was a man of integrity who sacrificed himself to the fate he so feared so that Nosgoth would be free of the Elder God. Kain had seen across time, and the sacrifices he would make, but nothing prepared him for the horror of the Elder God. But when he realized the monster wanted him removed, he fought back because the beast saw him and Raziel as a threat.
Today's folks cried at today's cheap KDrama scenes but us late 90s to early 2000s electronic gamer geeks cried to the epic tragic scene from 5:31 - 6:33 ✌
He's more accurately described as a Demiurge. A false god masquerading as the Prime Mover, who rules over a fallen and corrupted World, and keeps everyone in ignorance about their true nature and potential. Legacy of Kain borrowed A LOT from gnosticism.
It _could_ considered complete from a certain point of view. Kain had his fractured soul restored *and* was purified by Nupraptor's corruption in all fell swoop. All via Raziel's sacrifice. With Kain being a pure and eligible Balance Guardian - for all we know, the moment he steps through the chronoplast's portal back to his time - the Balance pillar shatters the Sanctuary ceiling
With Tony Jay's death, I'm not sure it could be done justice. I'm sure that like Aku in Samurai Jack, they could find a passable imitation, but it just won't be the same.
This was the moment that everything worked up to, Raziels sacrifice so the wheel could be broken, and all the false hope and lies could end, so nosgoth could truly be restored from the damned wheel
Watching Moebius being killed by both protagonists and also finding out everything that he believed in was a lie was the most satisfying moments in gaming storytelling.
Kain sees the Elder God for the first time: "Had i condemned Raziel to this nightmare, when i cast him into the Abyss?" Really Kain? This late into the game and after the cataclysmic shitstorm you raised over the better part of 2K years, only now does the "I fucked up" moment hit home?
This is technically the first time he is not mad by nature. Nupraptor's madness, the one that made him blind to his environment, was gone and with it came realization.
Raziel’s sacrifice parallels Kain’s choice at the end of Blood Omen. He does what Kain did not, but was also unable to do since Kain was corrupted since birth.
The irony of Legacy of Kain is that Kain was never destined to sacrifice himself for Nosgoth, and Raziel to be the redeemer. Raziel was to be the sacrifice, and Kain be the redeemer.
@@LinkaDL It's worse when you realize that Kain was more prepared to give up his life than his favorite son's. Ultimately, while Kain was losing his mind due to the corruption of the pillars, he wasn't as detatched from his sons as he pretended he was. Like when he warned Rahab that Raziel would kill him, it makes you realize that Kain was giving Rahab a chance out of his fate. Even though he knew Rahab would have to die for the prophecy, he still gave him a chance to forsake Kain's vision and flee. Of course, Rahab stays, not even knowing Kain's true purpose, but still loyal to his father after everything. I love the way Legacy of Kain begins Kain as a desperate man out for revenge, thrust into a choice of ultimate self-sacrifice, then Soul Reaver makes you think he was a bastard and chose not to sacrifice himself out of selfishness. But truly, as the games go on, everything Kain has ever done in his life is redrawn with new information about his motives. Every look, every speech he gives, it's all completely different when you realize Kain's ultimate desire was to at least save one of his sons and die for the greater good of Nosgoth. And now twisted and Ironic it is that even then, when Kain thought he was ready to give the ultimate sacrifice, he had to give up the one thing he cared for more than his own life: His firstborn son. His lieutenant. His Soul Reaver.
@@aprinceofearthsea4875 Kain is my fav just for what you say. I started playing SR and I thought that he was the bad guy at first, then played BO and it changed a lot my perspective about him. He may be egoistic but he screwed everything with the death of William because he wanted to stop the Nemesis and save Nosgoth. He could had follow Vorador´s words and do nothing but he tried to help risking his life in the process. And by that action his race was purged and the one that could act as mentor was killed something that probably was painful for him because he kept Vorador´s ring with him and use it as earring. Then in BO2 even if it´s a alternative reality he loses Umah and some friends being hurt and left alone again. And there we have SR that as you say, he had to lose all his sons. The last scene in Defiance is so heartbreaking, you can notice his pain and desesperation. For someone like him who hides his emotions and looks "heartless" to break in that way means that he was under huge pain.
Moebius declares himself the obedient servant of someone who sees him as little more than food and would not care for him once his utility was done and he was dead. Raziel declares himself the obedient servant of someone who cared for him so much to twist time itself in a futile attempt to save him from his fate. They should write more stuff like this, honestly
People today will never realize what this meant. No spoilers, no UA-cam streaks of this, you had to play trough yourself, experience the story, the dramatic plot twists. This was peak interactive storytelling.
Anyone else pick up how kain retorts we at the elder god, he will never forget raziels sacrifice and will fulfill his own fate for him and for his favoured soul reaver. Raziel the redeemer of Nosgoth gone but never forgotten.
And not just the redeemer of Nosgoth, but also the destroyer of the Elder God through his sacrifice to purify the Soul Reaver and Kain so he could see the Elder God, and be able to eventually remove him from the Wheel of Fate and allow the beings of Nosgoth to choose their own fate from his gluttonous appetite.
that's where the latest kain and the uncorrupted soul reaver will play it's role. they now have the option/chance to end everything and to alter/fix everything from the past and they can banish the hylden forever
They explain what happened to Janos in BO2, the events of BO2 only occur because of the events in Defiance, if Raziel didn't resurrect Janos than there would be no Hylden Lord in BO2.
It's the moment the tide finally started to turn. It's an incredible moment, after 4 games of despair and fatalism and this moment when the good guys finally get a fighting chance.
1:53 I always loved the way the camera moves showing Moebius "resurrecting" in the spirit world, only to take the right angle to show that Raziel was behind him the whole time. The first time I saw this my jaw dropped
Even now I'm learning shit about soul reavers lore XD What a masterpiece. Specifically the fact that anyone without the soul reaver in contact with them can't perceive the outer gods and how Raziel's sacrafice is the most important in LOK series history. The voice actin is incredible
I love this series so much. Best voice acting in all of gaming a brilliant story. And they don't need every cutscene to be some action packed endeavor. I love that they take the time to just talk. When raziel meets kain at the pillars in sr2 thats like 6 minutes of talking and I was enraptured for every single one.
When I first learned that Raziel would ultimately give in to his fate and allow himself to become bound within the reaver, I was disappointed. The thought that he would doom himself to eventually become the mindless, ravenous entity within the sword was a sad turn, to say the least, but then something occurred to me. That’s how it went in the original timeline, but things have shifted a great deal from how they went before. In the original timeline, Raziel was pulled into the reaver against his will, after having slaughtered his own past brothers and self, but in this new timeline he entered willingly, and after purifying Kain’s soul, no less. Maybe, just maybe, he would be able to find a sort of peace in his new existence, having entrusted the fate of Nosgoth to the hands of a man he had come to believe in, in spite of all his flaws. Maybe I’m thinking too wishfully, maybe not. To bad we may never know the truth.
"And I am not your enemy, not your destroyer. I am, as before, your right hand. Your sword. "
Where real men cried.
Every time
Was so good this line when I first played the game back then. I think it was the first time any media really got to me like that I loved it so much. The voice work in this series was soo good.
Father and son, finally united
Holy fuck, they don't write stories like this for games anymore.
***** at least he's not truly dead (or not any more dead than before)
He's just an indestructible super sword now. I like to think he can still talk to Kain from inside the sword
T Manry Good writers can always change the story around somehow. Instead of letting Kain impale him, Raziel could also use the physical reaver himself, as his wraith blade couldn't damage the squid. But replacing the elder god's voice is impossible. No one has ever had, or will ever have the voice of Jay. But good writers could easily rewrite this. Have Raziel get his revenge on the Elder God, and then you could start of the sequel from another point - to take down the Hylden.
Flisterdini The selfless sacrifice makes really gives this ending more impact though.
Square Enix owns the rights to LoK at this point.
They were making a sequel called 'Dead Sun' but they canceled it.
They were rolling the multiplayer component of Dead Sun into a MOBA called 'Nosgoth' but they canned it early this year.
why do you think that is ? :) At this point even if they do it's going to be a shitty remake.. as the gaming industry is owned by same people who own the rest so they let you think what they want : )
Really love when Kain realizes what Raziel had done and is still there, just trapped in the sword and says "For you would not fear *US* unless *WE* could truly do you harm!" Got me pretty choked up the first time I played it lol.
i never thought of it like that! an excellent point! this game is a constant learning lesson every time i come back to it.
the sword was said to be his kin from it's very first appearance in blood omen, after all.
@Kent Kerr well if you also look at it in kain's perspective raziel was his son after he brought him back from the dead to be his first lieutenant because they shared the same blood once he revived him as a vampire he was very loyal and thought best for kain's kingdom
@@adrianperez6472 Pretty sure he cared about all his kids.
He said it best in Soul Reaver "You've no idea about the mass of doubt and regrets I have borne ever since Mortanius first turned me from the light!"
He wasn't happy about how shit had to come down at all.
@@TheKain202 I pretty much already said that just not in full detail cause let's be real raziel was his first born so he got more abilities due to the fact before centuries kain's blood was already predicted to be tainted by unpure blood cause the curse that fell upon their race raziel was lucky I believe to have been first chosen and afterwards destined to do phenomenal things that people couldn't even comprehend he got that last bit of kain's true inner strength kain was weakened on his first blood omen and had to regain strength as a god he mentions alot of these things in all the legacy of kain games soul reaver is kain's legacy is obvious and a great title in both together as one
I'm fairly sure when Kain said, "FALSE GOD" we all got pumped up and ready for that boss fight
I low key liked The Elder God
You'll come to understand how Oblivion can be a mercy
@@HoliGallistur1023seriously! So many good lines for the Elder God! He’s one of my favorite villains to quote, like the Gravemind from Halo. Intelligent villains like these guys and Magneto speak with twisted reason that makes too much sense sometimes.
This is like Shakespeare with lots of killing ^^
Therefore, Hamlet with vampires.
just Shakespeare
Corbin Dallas
Nigga have you READ Shakespeare before?
Zurgo Pussysmasher I asked that in other videos. I bet that most haven't and are just impressed by the somewhat unusual dialogue and equal it with Shakespeare. I don't mean to lower the story of these games, but comparing them to Shakespeare is a bit inappropriate/ridiculous.
@@malafakka8530 That and on top of it Shakespeare's stories had a lot killing in it already but all he probably read was A Midnight Summer's Dream in highschool or some shit.
Am I the only one who cried a lot when Kain "killed" Raziel and Raziel said "I am now, as before, your right hand, your sword"?
It is kinda sad. Raziel spent this whole time trying to escape his fate, only to just accept it in the end, realizing how crucial his part is in saving Nosgoth.
Not the only one man, the Legacy of Kain series were one of the few games that managed to keep me completely engaged, both intellectually and emotionally. I only pity the newer generations that will never experience it, because they would consider it obsolete.
Raziel tattoo is the answer
I was really sad about Raziel needing to go and embrace his destiny, but then he says those words to Kain, and it wrecked me :c
Every time for the past 15+ years that i replay/rewatch this.
2:33 reminds me of that bit of snark that Raziel gave the elder god in SR2: "And if I told Mobius he was worshipping a giant squid, do you think his faith would falter?". He ended up actually showing him, heheheh....
Oooooo, burn.
Epic foreshadowing
That was, no lie, one of my favourite moments of the whole series ^^
Not so much the setup as the payoff.
And in the end, his faith did indeed falter.
@@masterexploder9668 Faltered? It straight up was crushed and died. Mobius didn't just lose some of his faith he outright become unfaithful in that moment knowing his "God" is nothing more than a monster. I bet he was expecting something more holy looking much like the original Vampires.
Moebius has one of the most satisfying conclusions for a villain in all of video games, I think. Offed by BOTH protagonists, each in a way that he didn't and couldn't foresee, had the true nature of his servitude revealed to him with terrifying futility, and ultimately had both his life and very identity destroyed. Points 2 and 3 are especially poignant, given he was a character who arrogantly presumed to be one step ahead of the game when it came to everyone else; all the while, he never knew what he was serving or the terrible ramifications.
Speaks a lot about religion itself if you ask me. I've found with Legacy of Kain, when I played it through and through growing up as a child. It's made me who I am today, heavily philosophical, "thinky" and to quote dozens of people I've met "vocally eloquent". Primarily Kain's philosophies, reasoning and fragments of personality integrated into me over the past decade and half since I was old enough to understand the Legacy of Kain series growing up. Sometimes my national vocabulary comes out but most times I just talk as I did growing up which is similar to Kain or Raziel. I can't change it. We are who we're supposed to be.
This game leaves impacts on people that won't easily be forgotten, sadly due to it's age it's easily overlooked, at their personal peril. If there's anybody who is looking for Blood Omen 1 as well by the way, yourself included Kelly, I do have a stable version of it from many moons ago. Tis' but a simple file transfer, I can upload it to my Google Drive. If people want it, I'll upload it, I'll check back.
His demise was so satisfying.. The back to back gutting was savage
*"And in that knowledge... go... and feed it!"*
*"Nooooooo!!!"*
What a nice guy Raziel is, gave him what he always wanted. To be closer to his god.
Actually a triple whammy. Don't forget that the antagonist tossed him into the spiritual recycler. The Elder is very rude & crude and may cause Moebius to live again just to torment him further.
@@LoneWolfLazarus Ok
"Do you so enjoy death?"
I love that reaction. Moebius rises and instantly gets skewered again. Kain's through playing around, he's got all the time in the world to sit there and kill Moebius over and over until someone gets bored.
I love it because it applies to both raziel and movies. Raziel feeds on death literally. Raziel craves death that's why he submits to the reaver. Not too mention raziels existence up until this point has been a never ending cycle of birth and death (human Saraland, vampire, and wraith) I've always thought that raziel IS the wheel. He's the wheel trying to unfuck itself. Like a matrix fixing corrupted data
Kain was ready to play camper.
Mobius dying three times in the whole series... WORTH IT
Vorador died 3 times too
Technically, he died 3 times in the same day, a few hours apart even :D
Damn it Mobius. STAY DEAD!!!
@@jimhuffman9434 nobody is ever really gone. A never ending circle of time, life and death.
best part
he died 3 times in the span of one hour
Such good writing and dialogue. Kain is the perfect anti-hero, imo and Raziel is portrayed perfectly as someone who wants to do the right thing, but has his own doubts and is manipulated at every turn. Oh and Raziel standing behind Moebius in the Spectral Realm looking 110% done with his shit is badass and a tiny bit amusing
"If Moebius discovered he is worshiping a diant squid, would his faith falter?"
I dont think Raziel cared for anyone other than himself. He is no hero, even less so than Kain, who truly wants to better the outcome of everything - including Nosgoth as a whole.
Raziel only seeks vengence. Pretty selfish, stubborn and selfcentered.
Only in the end Raziel sees the bigger picture.
@@ranzigerkaefer Well then you haven't been paying attention. Raziel is not self-serving like Kain. He is only blinded by anger and desire for vengeance in the first game, which is why the Elder God has such a hold on him in Soul Reaver, but he quickly loses trust in the Elder God as he becomes more aware of what is going on in the sequels. And his entire motivation for bringing back Janos is out of respect and a genuine desire to do good.
He is a perfect mirror to Kain. He suffers the same corruption, and is malicious and horrible as a human and as a vampire, but becoming a wraith changes him for the better and he ultimately gives up on vengeance for vengeance's sake when he stops himself from stabbing Kain with the Soul Reaver (you know, that scene you conveniently forgot about which completely unravels your entire argument?) and plunges it into the tomb of William the Just instead.
Frankly... I am _amazed_ that you could absorb so much of the plot and come to this dumbass conclusion. Raziel is quite possibly one of the few arguably "good" characters in the Legacy of Kain series to begin with. I can only assume you watched some of the first game's cutscenes (and not even all of them, because even in the first he feels genuine regret about killing one of his siblings), fell asleep partway through, and then woke up to this cutscene and then made your stupid fucking comment, because that is the only way to explain your
_stupid. fucking. comment._
Same way I thought and felt about with Raziel lol. Much like the fans and players, everyone is no doubt DONE with the Time Streamer's BS. 🥴
I could not have said it better myself❤❤
One of the greatest moments in the history of gaming narratives.
*Kain sees Moebius*
Kain: Oh. This guy. *stab!*
*dies and Raziel sees him*
Raziel: Oh! This guy. *stab!*
I loved this scene, even the logistics of it. Raziel was trapped in the spectral realm until Kain killed Moebius, thus granting the means for Raziel to escape.
If Moebius didn't go there and Kain didn't kill him, Raziel would have been stuck forever in the spectral realm.
I was really that one event when the coin lands on it's edge, as Kain stated.
also remember that the elder god took away the portals back to the physcial realm as punishment for raziel's disobediance. Portaling through a corpse back into the physical realm was a cheat raziel figured out.
Well said, my frend. The edge of the coin was the very corpse of the man that had manipulated them both for hundreds of years...
How poetic.
Raziel would’ve eventually found a way into the physical realm. It’s the way the world works where history abhors a paradox. He HAS to be in the Soul Reaver. There is no choice in the matter and no fate could overwrite this.
and yet, Raziels soul is trapped again, forever. Not in the spectral realm, but in a sword.
@@ranzigerkaefer Actually, whenever the Reaver stabs Raziel, it forces him into the blade while simultaneously freeing himself. There is only ever one soul in the Soul Reaver blade. That’s why when Raziel sacrifices himself at the end, the Reaver, which was pure of all corruption, cleanses Kain of his curse while the Raziel we followed is put into the Reaver.
we knew what it meant when kain drew the reaver in anger.... it meant you were dead.
"The Soul Reaver, Kain's ancient blade - older than any of us, and a thousand times more deadly.
The legends claimed that the blade was possessed, and thrived by devouring the souls of its victims.
For all our bravado, we knew what it meant when Kain drew the Soul Reaver in anger - it meant you were dead."
"Time fades even legend, and the origin of Soul Reaver has been lost long ago. But its purpose remains - to feed on the souls of any creature it strikes. Kindred, this blade and I."
Kinda funny, knowing what we know now, seeing Kain say those words. He has no idea just how kindred the blade and him are.
When going through this game i thought Moebius is just having the worst day of his life, Kain sneaks up behind him and stabs him then Raziel sneaks up behind him and he gets stabbed again ha ha, too poetic.
It definitely was the worst day of his life. Before this scene, he had already been beheaded by the younger Kain (Blood Omen) then resurrected. Only to get killed by the older version of Kain, then stabbed by Raziel and his soul devoured.
Fucking hell the Legacy of Kain/Soul Reaver games had one of the GREATEST stories that I have personally ever had the pleasure of watching unfold. They don't make them like this anymore let me tell you.
well i can see passion in naughty dog's games nowadays. Given more time and success, they might make a one with stories close enough to a game with this much caliber such as LOK series. Don't lose hope yet
jediknightgeo I Couldn't agree more with you, This was without a shadow of a doubt, the best story based game I have ever had the pleasure of playing, watching the whole story unfold right before my eyes was the most exquisit experince I had. I wish they would remake it for the current consoles.
a really good way to see how good the story is, is how it's always fun to play this game, even though the actual gameplay of the game is very minor.
Correct.
They never did before LoK either.
Raziel knew just how much he was sacrificing when he gave himself to the reaver. In time it would twist and derange him :( Even his vanpire death when he was cast into the lake of the damned spending eons feeling non stop excrutiating pain then being stuck in a mangled corpse beyond death but not above pain. No one knew the levels of pain, despair, and hate like Raziel but despite the nightmare that is his life he STILL chooses to fight and sacrifice EVERYTHING for a world that has only given him pain.
Is that noble, or stupid?
@@AbandonedVoid it depends on whoever reads and knows this lore, thats what makes the story so deep and epic at the same time
@@AbandonedVoid Well, this is Raziel keeping his word to Kain that he would choose integrity when presented the same choice of such a sacrifice
@@zeratai2465 I somehow never picked up on that. You're right.
@Gabriel Amadej I somehow doubt that it is Raziel's role as a Soul Reaver. First and foremost - it is Kain who first stole their souls with a part of his own. And it is combined part of his soul that Raz carried after killing Turel (which is probably the reason WHY Kain started to act as a conductor for the Reaver).
So tell me - who was the first "Soul Reaver" in this situation?
"Kindred, this sword and I"
You've got to feel sorry for the idiot trapped in a pit with a pissed off Kain...
Never sorry... I never get tired of seeing that lying manipulative snake getting killed... Twice xP hahahaha
If it's Mobius dont feel sorry,but if its some random person then feel sorry for that idiot.
Correction: trapped in a pit with a pissed off Kain AND Raziel
You know your lot is bad when your enemies can make good on a threat to 'kill you and then kill you again.'
After first two times of him dying and then coming back? No not really.
I love Kain's reaction to seeing the Elder God
What in the hell...
This game had better facial animations than ME Andromeda.
Not setting the bar high there bud
And better VA too.
A dog turd has better facial animations than Andromeda...
And a better story by a long shot.
Those facial animations were fixed, kid. And the game (Mass Effect Andromeda) is pretty fun.
First your omniscience, and now your powers. You're slipping badly. >:)
The only time I saw someone catch the spirit of the emoji so perfectly.
And this almost smirk...perfect.
This is so perfect I always giggle when I hear Kain saying this.
This is the end... The final turn of your Wheel. EPIC
only Kain could come up with badass insult after seeing the unseen))
"Your only solution to every problem, kill" sounds like he's about to break up with kain
Hahahahahaha
(singing) When a woman's fed up...
LOL XD
"I am not locked in here with you - you are locked in here with me"
What I always liked in this scene was that not only did Raziel realize what his destiny truly was, BUT also how Kain didn't wish for him to die, and in the end, Raziel gave Kain so much by purifying him of Nuptraptor's madness, not just the power of the purified Soul Reaver to hurt the Elder with, but also something a fatalist like him never expected to gain, as he said in the epilogue-- a taste of hope.
What raziel cure kain from ? Help me
@@TartarusPyro Nupraptor ended up "infecting" the Pillars of Nosgoth and its associated guardians with a sort of spiritual disease which would drive them to madness. It also was passed from Kain to his vampire lieutenants since he put a portion of his own soul into them - which is why they gradually began to devolve into monstrous forms.
That's what Raziel cured when he let himself be taken into the Reaver.
@@patrickhayes3011 why did raziel survived the abyss ? What if Dumas or rahab were thrown in ?
@@TartarusPyro It wouldn't have worked. Kain knew Raziel had the means to be able to change their fates when he used Moebius' devices over the centuries after he refused the sacrifice to restore the Pillars, since those devices Moebius used to see into time allowed Kain to learn Raziel's soul was in the Soul Reaver, and thus he could be able to free Raziel from his predetermined fate, and thus allow them to choose their own fates, such as his to become the Scion of Balance as he was meant to be.
@@BryonYoungblood to expand on this even further, he got the confirmation he needed once he saw his wings.
Look at his face in Soul Reaver 1 during Raziel revealing his evolution.
You could almost say, it's the same as when the Apocalypse in the movie Xmen found out about Charles Xavier and his powers.
He had it. "The answer".
One that would allow him to flip the coin. One last time.
“Do you so enjoy death?”
“Yes...”
My god! I just love LOK!
Thing is, some people still believe Kain hated Raziel and was jealous when in fact it's the complete opposite, Kain cared about Raziel more than they know, he displays this in SR2 and Defiance as seen here when he wants to save Raziel and find another way. We only get Raziel's perspective which he thought Kain had him thrown into the Abyss out of jealousy and hatred when Kain threw him in there to change their destinies, why did he rip off his wings, so he couldn't, you know, fly away. You can see it even pained Kain to have Raziel thrown into the Abyss like that as not only was that his son but we all know how sadistic Kain can be and would have watched the whole thing or done it himself if he hated Raziel that much but he didn't, another way to tell Kain did it for both of them was when he was waiting for Raziel in the throne room of the Sanctuary along with purposefully shattering the blade so Raziel could have a part of his soul back to create the Wraith Blade, no one waits for 500 years on the off chance someone will arrive unless they knew exactly what was going to happen, besides, Kain knew Raziel wouldn't follow him and be able to uncover their destinies unless he had some motivation. God i miss this series.
He killed all of raziel's clan him seeing the future doesn't change his feelings he could see the future but he couldn't control it he killed raziel out of jealousy and the original SR1 was going with raziel destroying all the vampires
If he cared about Raziel then he wouldn't have let him in the sword .. but in dead sun it says that kain cared about raziel because he went to the past to kill his younger self
It's implied Kain didn't wait but rather used the Time Chamber to travel in time to Raziel's arrival. One of Raziel's siblings, i don't remember who exactly, mentions that after the execution Kain was nowhere to be found, he vanished without a trace, leaving behind his doomed empire. And yes - he executed Raziel to both have the latter revived as a wraith and give him motivation to look for Kain.
TL;DR: Kain did nothing wrong.
He did he murdered all of raziel's clan because he was a jealous bitch he saw that someone with raziel's clan symbol a blue creature would destroy his sorry ass so he got jealous and killed raziel and his clan and when raziel came back he shat his pants and started begging for him @@Hoonters-goona-Hoont
The fact that this was foreshadowed from the very start by the game mechanics of Raziel coming to material world by possessing corpses...
Just genius.
The series that left us all with the ultimate cliffhanger.....Kain finally becomes the true Scion of balance and then.........NOTHING!!!!! The series is canceled. I did love how Kain kept saying "US" when talking to the elder god. He had always viewed Raziel as his partner. I would even go as far as to say, friend.
It's a perfect ending. I see no cliffhangers there. Both Raziel and Kain had fulfilled their destinies. The Elder God had been sealed away. Even Kain's words before the final battle predict it: "This is the *end*... The final turn of your Wheel." Would it even make sense to continue the story? What would the plot be? Kain walks at the pillars, the end.
just don't understand, why they, didn't release a new part
@@Ouromia It's not the fact that Kain has beaten the elder god; it's that he embodied with Raziel's soul, and without the heart of darkness, is removed from the wheel of fate. Now he has the true power to master his destiny and try to restore the pillars and return them to the vampire's without the meddling of Mobius' omniscience and the elder gods power. This is why there should have been a sequel but it seems it was not meant to be.
None the less you are right it was a perfect end to a story that would (might) not be finished
They stopped Janos Auldren (I think their name is) as they were posessed by a Hylden creature, I'm sure they stopped the Hylden from escaping their realm? I guess it's a kinda ending, maybe they'll return to it someday. If not though I'm still grateful we got this masterpiece
@@Dagoth_Ur_1 Blood Omen 2 happens because of Defiance.
The Legacy of Kain is so well written. It's ridiculous, utter madness that the series ended so prematurely. Kain is easily the greatest, complex video game protagonist ever. The series is HIS story even when he's not the "hero".
no one is in this series ;-)
No one is absolutely good or absolutely evil.
Not even Moebius or the Squid.
Maybe only the Hylden, for they are the only players which want to end all life except themselfs.
@@ranzigerkaefer even the hylden are arguably evil. don'tforget thattheir only "crime" against the ancient Vampires was not being a follower of the Vampire's Religion of the "Wheel of Fate"(and the vampires were ignorant that the core tenet of their religion had been hijacked by a parasite). and for this " crime" they were banished...not gonna lie i'd be a bit salty aswell for that.
their solution of " killing all life" comes from the fact they understand to some degree how ot shutdown the cycle of death and rebirth(and as demons they were exempt from the wheel anyway.)
if anything the truly evil entity of the series is the Elder God.
And in that knowledge... Go. And feed it.
Rziel eyes, when he sees mobius , i can only imagine, how he savors the moment.
This game story, and superb voice acting is what makes it a memorable game.
TBH i played the soul reaver series, because of the story, Except Blod omen 1 on ps, that had good gameplay also.
Funnily enough it was only cos of Moebius standing in front of him that you couldn't see that Raz cummed into his back in the FMV ;]
This is the only game from the series that I ever played and I was blown away. I had no idea who most of the people were but the story was VERY interesting. I wish they could have finished it.
@@timboslice9905
it really saddens me how this game series wasn't finished they had one more game just one and they bailed on all the fans!
I would even be satisfied if there was a statement put out by the creators on how the story concludes! I want closure
TheRatzor I agree and completely understand.
Raziel:"Oh my Gods, this is gonna be amazing :D"
FUUUUCKK!!!! We need another legacy of Kain!! DX the entire series story was fucking incredible!! You never get such deep drawing stories like this in games!! The LOK saga was truly a masterpiece and deserves a continuation or a remastering
There will never, ever be a re-mastering of Blood Omen, sadly.
The ownership of that specific title is an open legal question.
Taquito-Blade Except that Tony Jay is dead and Michael Bell is is not long for this world. Their voices make so much of what is good here great.
it deserves to be forgetten, so that less people could wake up
Defiance had the best ending I could imagine for the series. There's no need to continue the story with some lesser talents on the wheel.
For Kain this sacrifice of Raziel is a complete shock and horrible thing for him. For Raziel he's already made his choice and willingly gave his life in the end to give others hope.
He did the thing kain couldn't bring himself to do... The series ended perfectly. Raziel's redemption
I love the first thing Kain feel when he saw the Elder God was remorse for what he did to Raziel
Damn...Kain really cared for Raziel in the end.
He killed all of raziel's clan.. he didn't even bother to remove the sword .. raziel basically had to do what kain didn't have the balls to do himself and that is sacrificing himself for the world .. stop making kain look good he's trash
In this scene Kain tried to pull the sword out of him but Raziel would not let him. In this case, Raziel gave Kain the means to finally fulfill his role as Scion of Balance.
Kain could still remove the sword if he wanted to Raziel had to do what kain didn't have the balls to do himself
ljklmoiaoklml ljkajksjdklfma He didn’t remove it because Raziel told him it was the only way. And what do you mean “do what kain didn’t have the balls to do”? Only raziel could purify Kain to be able to fight the Elder god.
ljklmoiaoklml ljkajksjdklfma Agreed my brotha. Long Live Raziel the true hero of Nosgoth!!
Trapped in a pointless existance... Living pointed, blunted, distracted lives until in the end we return to the wheel.... Damn... Nailed it in one....
That smile at 0:46, such a happy Kain!
Ikr? Lmfao ^^
Kain is smiling.
*RUN FOR YOUR LIVES*
When ever Kain smiles, an Elder God dies
@@res20stupid *WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!*
I feel like the entire series culminated in Kain swinging the purified reaver with the words "False god!" Gives me chills every time.
Imagine being a sword for all eternity, that is some Harlan Ellison shit
A sword trapped with an older version of you who has already gone mad from centuries of imprisonment.
GOD I love this sound 1:52
That ending still got me coming back to see it from time to time one of the bests games I ever played in my life
I remember when I first saw this, it hit me right in the feels, still does. Raziel did everything to try and protect Raziel because he was always his favored son. I remember I never caught this the first time through but upon replaying the series after finishing, you realize Kain didn't look as they cast Raziel into the abyss because it hurt him to do it. No series has ever grabbed me, story wise, the way this one has. Mass Effect (the original trilogy) is the only one that comes close.
i noticed Kain didn't look too! it was just politics thing, he had to redeem his alpha status among brothers
The Kain of that time already knew what would happen to Raziel once he was cast into the Abyss, it was a necessary step for Raziel to attain free will, which is the only weapon they can use against fate. Ultimately, it was free will which allowed Raziel to make his own sacrifice and fulfill the prophecy of the Vampire and Hylden Champions: the two murals of one champion destroying the other did not mean Raziel would choose his side as Vorador had imagined, rather it was symbolic of Raziel's self inflicted destruction by the Reaver blade.
Dark Coven He's the hero of the series though, so no need to be sad.
Kain was originally intended to be killed by Raziel at the end of Soul Reaver, and the vampires wiped out. Making the Elder God technically a good guy. So the fact he looked away when Raziel was killed probably can't be interpreted this way, rather it was Kain taking the steps he knew were needed, and this developed into the story we eventually got when Soul Reaver had to be scaled back. I'm quite happy that they had to change the story to be honest, what we got was so much richer than just Kain = bad go kill him.
@@armi999 It was confirmed by Hennig that the OG story of the SR1 would still somehow lead to Retail version of the events.
"So the story would have arrived at a similar place, just by a different route."
The moment kain realizes he has impaled raziel you can se how shocked he is, you can se he doesnt want to kill him again, it weigts on him. You can se hes feeling some for of pain, perhaps sadness in his body languaje as he tries to pull back imediatly in hopes to save him, then his eyes, realizing hes killing him or so he tinks, the way he then holds him, you can se he does it gently...he might say hes heartless...but in this few moments you can se he did cared about raziel...those NO are proff
Funny how the Elder God goes from referring to Raziel as _his_ soul reaver to _Kain's_ soul reaver.
Kain referring to him and Raziel as “we” even after he got sucked into the soul reaver.
The elder god did tell Kain it was always Kain's destiny that mattered when he and Raziel were discussing Kain's presumed death. The elder god always knew that Kain and Raziel were the key.
@Gabriel Amadej The funny fact is that I believe that Kain knew that it is Raziel's "double the soul = double the nature" that has made him into a Soul Reaver.
Kain stole his soul from abyss with a part of his own to create weapon that he examines as "Kindred".
Whether he unknowingly lamented on the irony of the sword becoming "Soul Reaver" or being himself a "Soul Reaver" in the future.
I loved how Kain immediately dropped all his stoicism and arrogance and was concerned for Raziel once Raziel finally saw it his way. He really did care for him and was not so heartless after all.
If he only cared after they saw eye to eye, he did not care at all.
Kain ALWAYS cared for Raziel. Even when casting him into the abyss. He was shackled by fate. Raziel was simply the final sign he needed.
Soul Reaver 1 paints Kain as cruel, and uncaring.
But, Soul Reaver 2, paints Kain differently. More like a professor if you like, giving Raziel riddles, with which to progress.
I loved this, though wish the story could have gone on, Kain and Raziel both giving Mobius what he had coming was delicious. Also, it seems like Kain actually cared for Raziel like a friend in the end, despite all they'd been though.
Kain always cared about Raziel and considered him his closesed friend. Everything he did was so Raziel could obtain his free will and make his choice.
That is the main reason I like this series so much.
vuto dilkov
Agreed, this is the beauty of the series. Here we have Kain doing something we'd never expect him to do (risking everything for someone else), but he still does it in very Kain-like way (doing whatever he has to to accomplish it).
Everything Kain did to Raziel was to save him from becoming the spirit inside of the soul reaver, the same spirit the Raziel merges with in Soul Reaver 1. Kain was trying to prevent Raziel from being trapped in an infinite loop.
Yes Kain always cared about Raziel. He had to play the role of the jealous bastard to make sure Raziel would pursue him as he saw in the future. (Your reckless indignation brought you here. I counted on it!).
If you revisit SR1's intro in this new light you can actually see pain in Kain's face. He is not disgusted by Raziel wings, he is disgusted by what they mean and what this means he has to do next.
@@KatherinaBathoryAnd not to mention Kain's refusal to look as Raziel was tossed into the abyss.
You can just see all the instant regret Moebius feels flooding in at once.. and it was glorious.
Raziel proclaimed he would choose integrity over his selfish desires. Kain dismissed his motives as revenge, but in the end, Raziel proved he was a man of integrity who sacrificed himself to the fate he so feared so that Nosgoth would be free of the Elder God.
Kain had seen across time, and the sacrifices he would make, but nothing prepared him for the horror of the Elder God. But when he realized the monster wanted him removed, he fought back because the beast saw him and Raziel as a threat.
Raziel's motive was revenge for a long time. It was not until learning the truth he changed his mind.
These games were a work of art. The dialogue alone is just brilliant.
no way in hell Twilight with all it's movies could beat a single cutscene of the is video game ,,
Geez, even while dying Moebius doesnt shut up...
When Kain smiles... People die
This and:
"You're words are heartening..." :3
"You're slipping badly." *evil smile*
Today's folks cried at today's cheap KDrama scenes but us late 90s to early 2000s electronic gamer geeks cried to the epic tragic scene from 5:31 - 6:33 ✌
Your words are heartening, for you would not fear us unless we could truly do you harm.
F A L S E G O D
This series needs to be remastered. NOT REMADE!!!!! Just remastered.
Kain: You're slipping badly. :3
Love it.
"The prime mover" is a phrase I love in reference to Elder God.
He's more accurately described as a Demiurge. A false god masquerading as the Prime Mover, who rules over a fallen and corrupted World, and keeps everyone in ignorance about their true nature and potential. Legacy of Kain borrowed A LOT from gnosticism.
philosophy 101
Hope beyond hope for a continuation of this fantastic story.
It _could_ considered complete from a certain point of view.
Kain had his fractured soul restored *and* was purified by Nupraptor's corruption in all fell swoop.
All via Raziel's sacrifice.
With Kain being a pure and eligible Balance Guardian - for all we know, the moment he steps through the chronoplast's portal back to his time - the Balance pillar shatters the Sanctuary ceiling
To be honest, if it were going to end up like 'Dead Sun' looks, I'd rather they leave it alone.
Soma true
With Tony Jay's death, I'm not sure it could be done justice. I'm sure that like Aku in Samurai Jack, they could find a passable imitation, but it just won't be the same.
"You have both traced your path along the wheel. Your journey ends here."
This was the moment that everything worked up to, Raziels sacrifice so the wheel could be broken, and all the false hope and lies could end, so nosgoth could truly be restored from the damned wheel
The expression to Raziel’s death from Kain...God Damn. That sends chills down my spine.
Watching Moebius being killed by both protagonists and also finding out everything that he believed in was a lie was the most satisfying moments in gaming storytelling.
Kain sees the Elder God for the first time: "Had i condemned Raziel to this nightmare, when i cast him into the Abyss?"
Really Kain? This late into the game and after the cataclysmic shitstorm you raised over the better part of 2K years, only now does the "I fucked up" moment hit home?
Rights. Lol. I just noticed raziel was given a death of traitors and weaklings. And that's why that elder God said you are worthy. Maybe...
This is technically the first time he is not mad by nature. Nupraptor's madness, the one that made him blind to his environment, was gone and with it came realization.
@@jabroniyumerale6204 you are so right!
@@jabroniyumerale6204 Yes, The Soul Reaver as well as Kain was purified when Raziel sacrificed himself
"And now, you will see the true enemy"
Somehow this is so simple but yet so powerful
I loved how Raziel was waiting for Moebius in The Spectral Realm
"Go to your master , i release you to the wheel"
Raziel’s sacrifice parallels Kain’s choice at the end of Blood Omen. He does what Kain did not, but was also unable to do since Kain was corrupted since birth.
"Only when you have felt the full gravity of choice should you dare question my judgment." Raziel ultimately won that little argument of theirs.
The irony of Legacy of Kain is that Kain was never destined to sacrifice himself for Nosgoth, and Raziel to be the redeemer.
Raziel was to be the sacrifice, and Kain be the redeemer.
I never thought about it in that way but you´re right! It´s so sad.
@@LinkaDL It's worse when you realize that Kain was more prepared to give up his life than his favorite son's.
Ultimately, while Kain was losing his mind due to the corruption of the pillars, he wasn't as detatched from his sons as he pretended he was. Like when he warned Rahab that Raziel would kill him, it makes you realize that Kain was giving Rahab a chance out of his fate. Even though he knew Rahab would have to die for the prophecy, he still gave him a chance to forsake Kain's vision and flee. Of course, Rahab stays, not even knowing Kain's true purpose, but still loyal to his father after everything.
I love the way Legacy of Kain begins Kain as a desperate man out for revenge, thrust into a choice of ultimate self-sacrifice, then Soul Reaver makes you think he was a bastard and chose not to sacrifice himself out of selfishness. But truly, as the games go on, everything Kain has ever done in his life is redrawn with new information about his motives. Every look, every speech he gives, it's all completely different when you realize Kain's ultimate desire was to at least save one of his sons and die for the greater good of Nosgoth. And now twisted and Ironic it is that even then, when Kain thought he was ready to give the ultimate sacrifice, he had to give up the one thing he cared for more than his own life: His firstborn son. His lieutenant. His Soul Reaver.
@@aprinceofearthsea4875 Kain is my fav just for what you say. I started playing SR and I thought that he was the bad guy at first, then played BO and it changed a lot my perspective about him. He may be egoistic but he screwed everything with the death of William because he wanted to stop the Nemesis and save Nosgoth. He could had follow Vorador´s words and do nothing but he tried to help risking his life in the process. And by that action his race was purged and the one that could act as mentor was killed something that probably was painful for him because he kept Vorador´s ring with him and use it as earring.
Then in BO2 even if it´s a alternative reality he loses Umah and some friends being hurt and left alone again.
And there we have SR that as you say, he had to lose all his sons. The last scene in Defiance is so heartbreaking, you can notice his pain and desesperation. For someone like him who hides his emotions and looks "heartless" to break in that way means that he was under huge pain.
I see you came back through the time stream yet again to see this.
still after so many ears this sceen is so epic... still it chokes me every time i see this
“this is not a debate , this time you have nothing that I want .” >_^
The single most cinematic ending to one of my favourite characters! Awesome!
Every voice actor here is amazing.
I am Italian, and even in english this scene seriously gives me chills. The highest point in this series, and maybe in videogames history.
Moebius declares himself the obedient servant of someone who sees him as little more than food and would not care for him once his utility was done and he was dead.
Raziel declares himself the obedient servant of someone who cared for him so much to twist time itself in a futile attempt to save him from his fate.
They should write more stuff like this, honestly
LOK Producer: yo so how many good voices can we have in the game?
The Wheel of Fate: Yes
definetly a better love story than twilight.
Mobious deserved everything he got.
Rest in peace..... Scumbag(Moebius)!
Rot in hell Moebius.
People today will never realize what this meant. No spoilers, no UA-cam streaks of this, you had to play trough yourself, experience the story, the dramatic plot twists. This was peak interactive storytelling.
Still one of the most heartbreaking moments in gaming history.
this is hilarious, I love when Moebius shits himself
Anyone else pick up how kain retorts we at the elder god, he will never forget raziels sacrifice and will fulfill his own fate for him and for his favoured soul reaver.
Raziel the redeemer of Nosgoth gone but never forgotten.
And not just the redeemer of Nosgoth, but also the destroyer of the Elder God through his sacrifice to purify the Soul Reaver and Kain so he could see the Elder God, and be able to eventually remove him from the Wheel of Fate and allow the beings of Nosgoth to choose their own fate from his gluttonous appetite.
One cliffhanger it seems is that the demons are free and still possessing Janos unless that was fixed by Raziel's sacrifice as well.
***** I suspected that was the case. It still would have been cool to see Last Prophecy released and see how Kain's legacy had ended
that's where the latest kain and the uncorrupted soul reaver will play it's role. they now have the option/chance to end everything and to alter/fix everything from the past and they can banish the hylden forever
+God of Virginity
Check Blood Omen 2 to see what happened to Janos.
Defiance is actually happening before Blood Omen 2, Blood Omen 2 being the last game in the timeline.
They explain what happened to Janos in BO2, the events of BO2 only occur because of the events in Defiance, if Raziel didn't resurrect Janos than there would be no Hylden Lord in BO2.
It's the moment the tide finally started to turn. It's an incredible moment, after 4 games of despair and fatalism and this moment when the good guys finally get a fighting chance.
“I always was considered heartless.” -Kain
1:53 I always loved the way the camera moves showing Moebius "resurrecting" in the spirit world, only to take the right angle to show that Raziel was behind him the whole time. The first time I saw this my jaw dropped
just love when kain just smiles its just perfect
Seeing Kain smile was one of the big shocks in my gaming so far :)
fatality!
....
DOUBLE KILL!
Kain and Raziel win.
legacy of kain was legendary even the voices i am luckly an german bc in my opinion they have so sexy voices i love them
gives me shivers every time
Even now I'm learning shit about soul reavers lore XD
What a masterpiece.
Specifically the fact that anyone without the soul reaver in contact with them can't perceive the outer gods and how Raziel's sacrafice is the most important in LOK series history. The voice actin is incredible
I love this series so much. Best voice acting in all of gaming a brilliant story. And they don't need every cutscene to be some action packed endeavor. I love that they take the time to just talk. When raziel meets kain at the pillars in sr2 thats like 6 minutes of talking and I was enraptured for every single one.
The 6 sons of Kain are with him forever
Still getting goosebumps watching this even after all those years. Man, they don't make them like they used to.
When I first learned that Raziel would ultimately give in to his fate and allow himself to become bound within the reaver, I was disappointed. The thought that he would doom himself to eventually become the mindless, ravenous entity within the sword was a sad turn, to say the least, but then something occurred to me.
That’s how it went in the original timeline, but things have shifted a great deal from how they went before. In the original timeline, Raziel was pulled into the reaver against his will, after having slaughtered his own past brothers and self, but in this new timeline he entered willingly, and after purifying Kain’s soul, no less. Maybe, just maybe, he would be able to find a sort of peace in his new existence, having entrusted the fate of Nosgoth to the hands of a man he had come to believe in, in spite of all his flaws.
Maybe I’m thinking too wishfully, maybe not. To bad we may never know the truth.
He will be reborn in the future, when Kain raises his empire once more.
I just replayed this game the other day. It will never get old
The most underrated game series ever! I wish they either continued the story or remaster them all for ps4 and Xbox one
> Stabbed by Kain
> Dies
> Stabbed by Raziel
Perfection.
I remember those ancient times. It was more than epic. It was Legendary.