It’s always scary when people are able you take a holier than thou perspective and use it as justification to literally maim and exploit other people. How do you even get there, just like stop worrying about getting the “perfect” human and go touch some grass 🙄
PS, just wanted to add, I know a lot of indigenous people don't like that term, but I was just using it for the context of quoting the European's mindset.
My friend's (white) brothers were raised in Angola (Africa) and then one of them became a medical professional after they went back to Europe. They don't claim to be racist. But yet they believe in some of this pseudoscience like "black people feel less pain" or some shit like that. I seriously don't know where to unpack this. Dude was raised with black people and got a med degree.
That's actually fairly common for doctors to believe unfortunately. The was an idea that black people literally had thicker skin (probably propoganda to justify the slavery) but I believe was actually in medical textbooks for quite a while.
Is there any system in place to report them? I’ve never been to Europe so I wouldn’t know if any country there has something for this, but isn’t there a board of something to make sure medical professionals follow certain standards? Because if a doctor went around telling people that 5G towers turn you gay or something, I imagine someone up the chain could revoke their license for spreading/acting on harmful lies, so shouldn’t their racist beliefs be grounds of getting them fired? Anyone -especially doctors- who believes that is a threat to patients and should be stopped immediately. Then again Europe isn’t known for taking racism very seriously so perhaps it wouldn’t do much
I have family in the medical field and two have run into racist doctors that actually believe the “black people don’t feel pain” myth. They were disgusted and frustrated. Later I came across a survey that asked how many doctors still believe this, and it was not zero. It’s horrifying.
Julian Steve Yes, she is. So glad to see how many new subscribers she has gotten. Khadijah and Themis and Thoth are producing the most intelligent content I have seen on UA-cam this year.
@@mewmew6158 actually my teacher is very woke like even more than me maybe, we started the class talking about how we as settlers on this indigenous land must educate ourselves on indigenous issues and stuff and before we learned about the fathers of politics we read indigenous writing so that it helps us critically think about these old white men’s writing that we will mostly be covering because they will be biased due to their class, gender and race. It was very helpful and excellent to mention all the context and criticize some of their questionable ideas , she’s so awesome.
Phrenology is still kinda used in forensic anthropology classes today. They say that you can determine the race of a person based on the shape of the eye bone, nose width, etc. They use it to determine the race of unidentifiable bodies. However, younger anthropologists are trying to get rid of it because it's obviously based on eugenics and there are far too many variables to really prove it.
America tends to be binary still with ethnicity and “race” that is why they use it because it helps 90% of the time. This is because majority of white Americans are of Northern European descent, majority of black Americans are predominantly of specific portions of west African descent and native Americans/ East Asians as well as Hispanic Americans tend to be classified in the same skull shape list. However, for Hispanic Americans since most Hispanic Americans are of Mexican and puerto rican descent they will be mostly scene as asiatic, Caucasian or sometimes negriod. If you still find this weird and unacceptable I agree with you. I also agree that it definitely needs to be reviewed and change as more diasporas come through and mixed populations are growing at an all time high.
Scapegoat Miller by mixed race I meant they take both from their parents features :/ well if it doesn’t work then why is it still used in a scientific field? Surely they were able to replicate it enough times to come to the same conclusions
The hole eugenics part just reminded me of the Brazilian scholars that believed that interracial relationships would eventually wash away black people out, well in my family i didn't quite work since i have 2 black granparents, i ended up been darker than both of my parents, lighsking multiracial mom, white passing dad
Wow, Brazil’s scholars used to thought like this (maybe some still do of course LOL🤣)? I did not know that. Maybe one day I can talk about this on my channel or another UA-camr. This sounds interesting, yet disturbing. I am happy you know your background⭐️‼️
Omg bruh we covered a lot of interesting stuff about Brazil’s culture and literature in my anthropology class. From my understanding there is definitely problems with colourism there and the colourblind society
there's a painting by Modesto Brocos called "A Redenção de Cam" ("The Redemption of Cam") that illustrates the period's thoughts perfectly, it was done in 1895 when this whole "branqueamento" philosophy was going on and the Brazilian imperialist government was bringing tons of European immigrants over to try to "white wash" Brazilian people. The painting shows a family celebrating the birth of a new child, and you can see an old, dark skinned grandma looking up in prayer and thanking for the fact that her lighter skinned daughter, who married a white man, had a white baby. It's possible to tell by the background house they're on that it's a poor, working class family, so it's very likely that the white husband was an immigrant. Anyway, we know how that REALLY went...
@@Free2bJubilee I wasn't trying to imply that it should be comfortable. I'm already aware of this history and have done my reading long before this video was made. I enjoy watching Khadija's videos but I'm not subjecting myself to something that upsets me to this degree.
@@seleciaa That is exactly me as well. This video in particular did not disturb me but some of their other videos do, but if I already have knowledge about the matter and have researched enough about it but I also know that it is a topic that is heavy/disturbs me, I would rather not watch it on a particular day, for instance, or ever (though that "ever" scenario has never happened with me when watching Khadija's content but it has when I watch other UA-camrs' content sometimes, not because they're not good topics but because they truly hurt me deeply and sometimes, I'm not really able to recover). Edit: Pronoun change. I had forgotten that Khadija goes by they/them pronouns.
As a disabled person I’m very wary of the idea of spending tons of time trying to have the ability to genetically engineer or even diagnose disabilities in utero. Even though things like Downs Syndrome or spina bifida aren’t deadly we know that doctors very much promote abortion when they diagnose these disabilities in utero because they don’t see disabled people as worthy of life. A huge amount of the money in autism research (my disability) is given to in utero diagnosis, genetic screening, and “cures” which usually means getting rid of an autistic fetus and many of these things are supported by parents of autistic children or organizations that claim to “speak for” autistic people.
thank you for this. i am autistic too and i did a paper in college recently about the reality of “autism research.” i knew that 91% of all funding towards autism research was directed to the biology of it and what the risk factors were (basically what you mentioned but they made it sound nicer), and that only 9% of all funding went towards actually support services for autistic people. Now i know what they actually actually research
And yet, if I request to be sterilized, they can tell me I can't make that decision for myself, because I might change my mind. No seriously! You don't want me procreating! My brain is broken. I have migraines, and chronic pain, miss too much work, and was suicidal before I knew how broken my body was. I don't want to raise children which guarantees I would raise traumatized children which is bad for everyone. Trust me! Please!
Right?! I was thinking about this the other day. We’re actively encouraged to have children with all the anti-abortion and anti-sterilization there is in medical spaces. I don’t want biological children. My mental health is so awful because everyone in my family has mental illnesses and postpartum depression runs in my family too. Like???? Just make life easier for me thanks
@@ereristark425 I am. Other than my utterly garbage mental health which is worse than they imagine, I’m white, seemingly neurotypical, educated, not a drug user, not living in abject poverty, and not disabled or otherwise visibly undesirable if one were building a eugenicist master-race gene pool. Maybe that’s where I went wrong? Maybe I should have tried playing up the unstable card instead of trying to convince them I was extremely knowledgeable and knew my own mind. /only sort of sarcastic I could have fought harder, but my mental health was a bit of a barrier to fighting so hard for a secondary goal, that wasn’t simply getting the mental health resources, and income I needed to survive. I just didn’t have the energy to fight them.
@@lynn858 I appreciate your thoughtful response. I'm sorry to hear that they were so dismissive of you. Hopefully, you'll find a doctor willing to hear you out in the future.
If you taking breaks means you’ll comeback 10xs more hilarious then by all means, take as much time you need …I died so many time rewinding this video , it’s embarrassing ..am I not embarrass
Mexicans that don't speak Spanish are called Mexi-can't even though SPANISH is just as much of a colonizer's language like English baby! Thank you for covering this as this speaks to our whole flawed education system.
I was watching a video about that view on Spanish(I will try to find it) but what I think is also important to remember about the language is that... we latinos adopted it, we made it our own. Mexican, Peruvian Spanish is different. We incorporated native words and changed other parts and now we have something new, not that new even because it has been centuries. Yeah, the continent was colonized but we are all very mestizos now. Casamos ambas partes y debemos de encontrar más identidad que eso
Yeah but... dude, just lern it. It's not that hard. "Soy lo que me enseñó mi padre El que no quiere a su patria, no quiere a su madre" (Latinoamerica - calle 13) It's... just hits different when you understand the language. It's part of your culture.
@@IsabellaCoelho I think the point he is trying to make is that Spanish is the language of the colonizer in Mexico, which is a historic fact. People should NOT be shamed for NOT knowing how to speak a new language. It’s not that easy for everyone.
@@Daiseehead even if Spanish is the language of the colonizers it is by now OUR language, or at least the most predominant. The language is important part of our identity as a group. Feeling ashamed or not is a personal thing but it is a vital part of the identity
Pratchett made fun of phrenology ages ago too "Retrophrenology: It works like this. Phrenology, as everyone knows, is a way of reading someone's character, aptitude and abilities by examining the bumps and hollows on their head. Therefore - according to the kind of logical thinking that characterizes the Ankh-Morpork mind - it should be possible to mould someone's character by giving them carefully graded bumps in all the right places. You can go into a shop and order an artistic temperament with a tendency to introspection and a side order of hysteria. What you actually get is hit on the head with a selection of different size mallets, but it creates employment and keeps the money in circulation, and that's the main thing"
I don't think this is a smart thought experiment. Certain illnesses make people fat, but liposuction won't fix the real underlying issue. Similarly, making people fat and filling them up with aminoacids, vitamins and minerals won't cure a disease that makes people thin, like emphysema. The same would be true for this mind-body pattern.
Hey, i don't know if you will see this but i am a Brazilian high school student and i really love your videos and your style about talking about certain issues. I had a school project about "the importance of diversity in brazilian publicity" and when writing the "essay" part i used your video about east asian stereotypes as inspiration to write about asian brazilians. Love how funny, witty you are and is just a great way to educate yourself while feeling like you are having a conversation you know? thank you for everything and i really like you content :)
Honestly, we Germans like to say we're the country of poets and thinkers (Das Land der Dichter und Denker) but I'm pretty sure had some Germans spent a little less time thinking, we would be much better off. 😐
It’s actually ridiculous how one of the most famous German philosophers Immanuel Kant (pronounced c*nt) is known and celebrated for the categorical Imperative (something like a thought experiment that helps one figure out what the ethically right action to take is) while having written papers that justify racism… And that we kinda excuse it, because he said good stuff too :/ Or that no one seems to care that Hegel was a sexist “because who wasn’t at the time” But interestingly a lot of people give these two a lot of credit for positive breakthroughs in the field of philosophy I guess at the end of the day it just matters which of your ideas were most influential or highlighted the most… Wtf did I just write… I actually just meant to agree…
@@moustacheman8451 Yea I definitely agree that it is always important to take into consideration the problematic parts of historical figures' lives, views and actions, despite whatever good things they might've done. I'm guessing though that one of the reasons people seem to not talk about those negative parts as much is because they're greatly overshadowed by their other works which may have been unrelated to those views or actions. Though obviously this isn't the case with lots of historical figures either.
@@moustacheman8451 I think they deserve the credit when they had their significant contribution and advanced theories, critical thinking etc. Yet that doesn't take away their problematic opinions, which should also be taken into consideration. A lot of well-known people have those more hidden unpleasant side, where they cease to shine. In my opinion, we shouldn't idolise people like Kant, especially when there are others who have less conflicted biographies, thus being a a better option for a role model.
@@moustacheman8451 I think the reason why their better ideas are highlighted over their more shitty ones is that they were able to produce genuinely insightful and profound theories despite being somewhat limited in their knowledge & outlook on life. For example, Kant never left his hometown of Konigsberg even once in his life and thus relied on what others had written about the Native Americans or the Africans to form his judgement about them. If he had been in America or had seen slaves and how they were treated, who is to say that his outlook wouldn't have been changed entirely to be more coherent with his philosophy? Just my two cents :)
@@rfhsrzh2064 yea exploitation of the third world, though they are absolutely not by any means the only ones, or even the most exploitative, cough cough America
@@rfhsrzh2064 yea exploitation of the third world, though they are absolutely not by any means the only ones, or even the most exploitative, cough cough America
@@Dell-ol6hb the Scandinavians didn’t “exploit the third world” and now they’re beautiful, kind, and smart as a result of their “horrible” history of eugenics.
survivorship bias which is a type of sampling bias of success stories make people believe that capitalism works. in fact, the fact that only a few thrive when way more could is a sign that it doesn't work. we could have a better world also, was that mic always that big? good vid
The same applies to why people think that communism always fails. I'm sure it has _nothing_ to do with the nonstop militant opposition they face from capitalist countries. (please end Cuba's sanctions already)
@@guy-sl3kr the problem is we seem to ignore that that itself is a problem. Not with socialism mind you but the methodology. I mean we should know they are gonna try to kill us and oppress us, so shouldn't we find ways to adapt to it. Also yeah end the sanctions
Khadija, I love the British accent and your sense of humor🤣‼️You made this video extremely digestible. A deep video, but you handle this topic well (as usual).
Hey Khadija, I love this video. I had this same conversation because of the experience I had in my Philosophy II class with a "less than open-minded" individual who held so tightly to the ideals of Aristotle that they were spouting off that person's rhetoric as their own. I came away from that class knowing that my professor (who had a doctorate in Philosophy), in essence, NEVER HAD A SINGLE SOLITARY AUTHENTIC THOUGHT OF THEIR OWN. This person went as far as to say, anyone who doesn't believe what these "ancient pioneers of philosophical thought" were ignorant and could not understand what they had to say. I came away with the understanding that This professor was ignorant beyond their own comprehension and could not even fathom a universe in which there was another perspective to be aware of. (Before you ask, yes, they were.) The rhetoric of ancient Greek philosophers was good for what it was, at their time, but we are living in the 21st century, not ancient Greece. Everyone has the right to think. Good video.
The theme of race and eugenics in this video and the fact that you mentioned sterilization in Puerto Rico kinda reminded me of the latest episode of Dark History by Bailey Sarian where she talked about how birth control came about and how it connected to eugenics of Puerto Rican women in poverty with the use of sterilization. It’s a great podcast and Bailey also posted it on her UA-cam in her Dark History playlist.
I started looking forward to Sundays unknowingly because I developed a habit of eating lunch while working and watching your videos. im an unapologetic stan
The Kellogg cereal guy is actually the brother of John Harvey. John did create the cereal for his sanitarium, but his brother added sugar and made it a household name. It's a wild story. And John Harvey Kellogg was batcrap crazy.
Yes. John Harvey also believed that bland and boring food would stop people from m@sterb@ting, hence Corn Flakes. He was livid at his brother for adding sugar.
it's wild how the forced sterilization of indigenous people was just a thing that happened very similarly all over the world. here in norway sami women were sterilized against their will and knowledge until 1975 (and this was just when it was no longer legislation, it could have happened later with individual doctors), some of them was as young as 14 years old. eugenics were huge in scandinavia though, one thing i remember very well from when we learned about it in school were these notes taken in a "research facility", where they basically kidnapped sami families to measure their skulls and research their behaviour. a lot of notes said something like "the sami is less cooperative than the aryan person, doesn't understand simple instruction and won't follow simple orders" (like yeah dude, you're keeping them against their will and are treating them like lab animals, of course they're not cooperative), another phrase i remember very well was something like "the sami is in intelligence and personality more like the african than the aryan man". the "science" of eugenics gave anti-sami racism new breath and led to what we call "norwegianization" politics; this led to sterilization, residential schools, and a whole generation of children losing their native language as a result of being abused for speaking sami. in the name of eugenics, researchers would grave rob sami cemeteries, and to this day around 1000 sami skulls are kept at the university of oslo, and families are struggling to get back the remains of their ancestors and family members.
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Great video! It reminds me of those ppl who shout things like, “…but, but Slavery’s been over for ages, Apartheid’s been over for decades, Colonialism has been over for decades, why are we still talking about it? Why can’t those ppl that were affected pull themselves up and rule themselves better…” etc. Like we seem to have real difficulty or a denial in understanding how time works; the present shapes the future, and no matter how much we hope, the limits to how far really is just one of those things that’s hardly ever up to us.
fantastic vid as always! your train of thought at 34:22 made me think of maslow's hierarchy of needs. if people don't have access to their most basic physiological needs like food, water, and shelter, then they're not going to have the opportunity or luxury to aspire to much beyond that (whether that's nefarious "how do i exploit this entire group of people for money" type stuff in the context of this video, or even just personal/individual stuff - "what can i do with my life that will make me feel fulfilled", etc).
Unfun fact that I learned from a Shoshone girl I went to a creative writing class with, but the "oreo" equivalent for them is "apple", red on the outside, white on the inside. Sad that it's so prevalent :(
Honestly I can't even imagine how it feels to be black and have to listen and read all of this stuff...people were really REALLY out of their mind back then, and as much as I feel like I'm pretty good at understanding history I will never get how much hatred one must have in itself to develop these theories
In the 70s there was a systemic sterilisation of Romani women in Czechoslovakia. Still segregation in some schools in Europe,even though they are trying to improve on that by inclusion.
I work in the mental health field, and we had to go over so many of those pseudosciences in undergrad when learning about the history of psychology. Definitely a lot more interesting hearing it from you lol.
To the last point you made about people in traumatizing situations not having the time or brain power to philosophize; I don't necessarily think that true. There's plenty of evidence around the resiliency and resourcefulness of people in dire situations, particularly people who were enslaved. Often we don't have the platform, credibility, or abilities to articulate ourselves in a manner that allows us to be heard and taken seriously. And the people at the top have an invested interest in silencing any kind revolutionary ideas that come about from the people they exploit, which in turn can make us FEEL like we have nothing of value to contribute to society even if that's far from the truth. Of course there are people who are so stressed by surviving day-to-day they don't often think outside of their immediate needs, but I think that's giving the elite too much credit to suggest they only came up with revolutionary theories and ideas because they had the time to do so.
It is pretty upsetting to see how long phrenology has lasted as a "science" in Anglo culture. Rereading one of my favorite books "The Lost World" by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, it is ridiculous the extent to which the Irish narrator is belittled and insulted by the English Professor Challenger. The latter even goes as far as to insinuate that the narrator is so perceptive in the rainforest because of the theory that the Irish are descended from the n****oid peoples, and that there's supposedly some "ESP" type bs that the Irish possess.
Yeah, it's one of my favorite books too but I cringe when Challenge looks at the narrator, measures his skull and goes to say "Aha, he's Irish" and there's a lot of "noble savage Irishmen" things going around. The Afro-Brazilian "hercules" porter speaks in broken English and is literally named Zambo, while the human villains are "half-breeds" (to be fair, they're also ex-slavers and Zambo gets some nice revenge on one of them) Stoker does the same thing in his books too.
Yeah it’s wild the amount of discrimination the Irish have faced throughout history despite also being european, they weren’t even considered “white” up until more recently. People like to sweep all that under the rug (mainly the English) but us Irish people still talk about it. Even today there’s a lot of discrimination the Irish face from the English, like the fact that Northern Ireland is still owned by them despite most irish not wanting that at all. It’s called northern IRELAND for a reason. Wild how even among Europeans there’s hatred of ethnicities they view as “others” despite them being European as well. Not just with the Irish, but with the indigenous Sámi people (the only true indigenous Europeans) and Romani people and Slavic people. Or even the fact that European Christians tried to wipe out my religion from Europe (what they called paganism, which is a word some of us have reclaimed and some of us have not. Not to be confused with “Wicca” a bunch of paganism appropriating nonsense created by some racist guy in the 1900s). That’s why most Christian holiday traditions come from pagan traditions, they wanted to make it so it seemed as though paganism never existed and so it would be easier to convert pagans to Christianity.
@@guytrashgurtdog I'd argue the Basque should be included as one of the truly indigenous Europeans, what with how they are known to have been stable in the area they currently reside as far back as the Roman Republic, and theirs is the only non-Indo-European language in Europe (also dated at least as far back as the Roman Republic). As far as the Christian holiday stuff is concerned, a lot of that is more arcane than is assumed by the general public, but those holidays also fall victim to local naming conventions. The name of "Easter" is germanic and pagan in origin, but the actual celebration and date of it is not (it's roughly based on Passover's dating). Even dates like Christmas are rooted in Christian symbolism rather than any appropriative origins; it's placed 9 months after the Annunciation, which was traditionally the more important holy day. In Orthodox Christianity, the Annunciation even takes precedence over Good Friday, the celebration of conception over the death of Christ. A lot of Christian traditions ended up using syncretism to be more agreeable to converted populations. P.S. Speaking as a latino, and a vaguely Mexican-American, it's definitely still brushed under the rug. Americans will in one breath claim that all cultures are welcome, and in the next shame Hispanics for taking jobs (that Americans don't even apply for).
I think it's a term primarily used by Indians meaning to be brown on the outside but white inside. In comparison Black Americans say oreo and means the same thing as coconut.
Darwin: "So there's races, but they're all human" Racists: "RACES! GOT IT!" Darwin: "The merciless selection is inapplicable to humanity because of our compassion, a social strategy" Racists: "Merciless selection! WOO!"
The "liberal eugenics" thing cuts deep to me. Didn't know there was a name for the thing I have been considering. Because I have long considered my family medical history when it comes to whether or not I will ever have children. There is A LOT of chronic illness and hereditary cancer in my family. I have one of those chronic illnesses, and have long expected that I will eventually die of one those cancers. I'm not sure I should put that on a child I could have. This has nothing to do with intelligence. My family averages quite intelligent. But we are also very sick. And there might even be a cause. Studies have been done on the children and grandchildren of people exposed to chemicals during the Spanish civil war, and my family fits the bill. I don't want to "do" a eugenics, but I also don't know if it's ethical to bring a child into the world that has a disproportionate chance of suffering from the diseases that are rampant in my family.
It's a tough choice. I have a family member who won't have children because they have serious illnesses that have been passed down at least 4 - 5 generations. This person made that decision when they were 10 years old.
@@tjwarburton they have my respect and sympathy, my situation is a little more cumulative, than one specific illness over so many generations. I can't walk in their shoes, but I feel like we got to the same place for similar reasons. Glad to know I'm not the only one, always sad to hear about another person's struggles.
I think in your case this would be very different; I don’t think you trying to protect a potential child from so much illness, like the kind you say you and your family has, is anything like eugenics. So many people with chronic illnesses cannot work or be independent, and the struggle for appropriate healthcare is a huge barrier to living a “normal” life. I think you’re a kind and thoughtful person for even considering this topic, and it must be difficult to contemplate any decision you feel you may need to make for your own body and life. I hope you don’t feel too badly about your thoughts.
As a Puerto Rican, that part about the forced sterilization of some of my people always makes me upset. They don’t teach us about it at our schools until you get to college, and only a few will even have teachers teach that sort of thing, or you look it up yourself. They really hide it or straight up don’t include in our history books, as well as the fact that many celebrated doctors in the US would use us as guinea pigs for testing drugs, like birth control pills and Viagra. It’s really frustrating to learn about all that stuff, but it’s also interesting in a way.
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So glad you brought up this topic. ❤️ Edit: I studied archeology so we did talk of taxonomy and phrenology and all that... But of course from a "history of archeological thought" perspective, not this kind of discussion. So... We must address it.
About sterilizations, it reminds me of when my Aunt said she had surgery done for something else but ended up infertile because of an “oopsie” the surgeon made during surgery. I didn’t think anything along the lines of sterilization of black and indigenous women until I heard about this terrible practice years ago.
Amazing video, I learned a lot. Anthropology Major here. This was only briefly touched in the history of anthropology, but in older books it's a huge thing. "Scientific" racism goes pretty far back. Eugenics combined two British things- breeding domestic animals and imperialism. "We're in charge, and this is why, and why we should stay in charge" We did have a few sessions about this formative period and how anthropology both physical and cultural was used for justifying colonialism. Science is always contextual. There was already an informal eugenicist idea in society- "good stock" "good blood", basically families having better worth than each other for marriages, employment, elections, etc. Already in 1729 Johnathan Swift was mocking the hysteria about the "Irish horde" in Britain. Malthus inspired the theory of natural selection, but personally held the belief that suffering and death for poor people was a result of their "moral failures" in God's eyes. It was the old "the poor deserve to be poor" argument. Like evolution itself, it was hijacked to justify colonialism by conflating the science with tradition via pseudoscience. There was a similar thing with misogyny- psychology and medicine combining with sexist attitudes for the "hysteria" "disease" Anthropology has traditionally not only elevated "races", genders, religions, etc, but even technology and subsistence patterns into hierarchies. From Aristotle onward, there was this imposition of hierarchy on EVERYTHING.
Had a flashback when you mentioned oreos and bananas. I've also heard coconut used instead of oreo. There was even a sitcom in South Africa maybe 15ish years ago called The Coconuts that was about a white family and their black maid that had their race swapped by a witchdoctor
Really excited the next video. In my linguistics classes they always bc say that linguistic discrimination is one of the few forms of prejudice that’s still widely accepted.
@@Alice-gr1kb earth's orbit has definitely changed since the 4th century bce, but the ancient greeks also used a different calendar, the modern calendar started to take its shape only in 45 bce when Caesar changed the roman moon calendar to a sun calendar inspired by the egyptian one and, so, I don't know math or numbers and I definitely don't know what this means, but it certainly sounds relevant
In Ancient Greece, the idea that whoever was a slave could also be a ruler was extremely common (at least around the time Khadija is talking about) in fact many slaves that managed to buy there way to freedom (most didn't become citizens afterwards though because despite Greece being the homeland of democracy who could participate in that democracy is limited) actually owned slaves themselves
Yes, I heard of this before in college. Yeah, it took for me to go to college to hear that in Africa (yes, I know Africa is a continent) the rich/non-slave Africans would have slaves too😬…
@@JulianSteve I know right, sometimes it's hard to accept that slavery was just a fact of life in every continent for the longest time, except for Antarctica but thats obvious.
Your content is incredible, thank you so much for putting this information together and out in the world! I wanted to add John Kellogg assisted in founding the Seventh Day Adventist church, which felt so massively ironic when you pointed out how much Eugenics is a slap in the face to God, because it essentially says "I can do a better job".
Thank you for including the forced sterilization in Puerto Rico! It actually was tied to eugenics, by law, hospitals, medical schools, and clinics were allowed to use eugenics to argue the sterilization of women in the island. It was law until it was legislated out in 2011.
@@Tareltonlives It was one of those cases of people slowly not following it, by the early 80’s it was being faced out, many people learning the procedure was irreversible, a lack of children causing schools to close (leading to a lack of proper infrastructure to this day now that the birth rate has raised), and the activism of many people helping reveal things like how it was being performed on people without even their knowledge. Even of it was not being followed since the early 80’s it was still in the law books and in 2011 it was legislated out, even referencing how it was a program functioning basically like Nazi Germany’s eugenics programs. There is a great expose documentary in UA-cam called “La Operación” that was done during the 80’s and it goes in detail into all this and even includes the pill trials. Sadly it’s only in Spanish because it was a local production. Tbh I only learned of the 2011 legislation when I was doing a paper on the way media has barely covered this and in many cases covers it with a false view such as saying people where all for the operation. There is a long history in PR of medical experimentation and most people out of the island don’t know about it.
I remember in my biology exam there was a question that was something like: Some developmental disorders can be checked for while the fetus is within the womb and the pregnancy could be terminated if wished, discuss problems with testing in this way? As a person with a developmental disability I just cried on my exam paper for a good five minutes and instead wrote how maybe with correct support having a developmental disability isn't all bad all the time. You don't get your exam papers back so who knows what the exam board thought but I hope whoever wrote that question felt ashamed of themselves.
What a great way and attitude to discuss these things Khadija! edit: with phernology, I get a picture in my head of some goopy dude in trench coat in a dark ally creeping up to me and saying like, "psst, let me feeeel your head... I must know what's inside!"
as an NB person can I just say how much I appreciate your greeting at the beginning of each video? it's such a small thing but it means a lot to be included.
This is sad but true, I remember growing up with a neighbor that was mentally challenged and I'll never forget the when she made 18 she had to go in to have a tubal ligation because of it. At the time I really didn't understand how detrimental that was.
I have been listening to your videos while doing my statistics homework, and since you were talking about eugenics recently I was wondering if you've ever made a video about statistical methods? My professor had us read these really interesting articles about Fischer, a pioneer in statistics who was also a eugenicist, whose tests we still use today in determining the validity of a study/ the significance of data. In the blog post 'Meditations on Inclusive Statistics' I read that in continuing to use these statistical tests, we are actually perpetuating colonialism regardless of our intentions because it still naturally tends towards confirmation bias and black-and-white thinking.
Your nuanced takes are a breath of fresh air, and even with a heavy subject like this your sense of humor always puts a smile on my face. I'm so glad I came across your channel!
Just bumped into this content and it was very good. Love the sisters delivery and ability to make, often bland subject matter, very interesting and funny. Great work!
i’m super excited for the lingustic supremacy video! as someone who studies linguistics, it’s super prevalent in our pop culture understanding of language, and also has lots to do with discrimination against the d/Deaf
Really good research here! In psychology courses, we actually learn about eugenics and phrenology as one of the many precursors of psychology and how it was used for inhumane purposes. It's an important part of history to know about for any health professionnals!
30:15 I think that the modification side of liberal eugenics is wildly different from the elective abortion side of liberal eugenics. Deciding not to continue your own pregnancy, for any reason, is a lot simpler and more understandable to me (and more immediately relevant) than deciding to make intentional changes to your offspring's genes. Obviously both could potentially be motivated by either compassion or prejudice, but I feel like human genetic modification has more racist and ableist vibes? Reproductive freedom is one thing, playing God is another. Of course, that's what people say about abortion rights right now, so who knows; maybe in the future families will be marching for their right to genetically modify their unborn children to reduce their suffering. Maybe it'll be seen as a form of healthcare. In the big picture, I'd certainly rather see potentially disabled people be born into less or no suffering to parents who are ready for them, and go on to live their lives as they see fit, rather than seeing them not be born at all just because they're disabled or at higher risk. Of course, who gets to decide what's "suffering" or a "disability", what's an "aesthetic flaw", and what is "not worth such extreme measures to fix" will be important; ideally actually disabled people would offer stories and experiences for research and prospective parents would take it into account when making their decisions, but we know things don't always work out that way. I think I just flip-flopped my whole opinion... idk. In any case, the only other thing that's bugging me is that I feel like authoritarianism is kind of integral to "eugenics" since it's goal is NOT to reduce suffering for individuals, but to purposefully change the genetic makeup of the human population in a given country in hopes of "improving the species" according to the prejudices of the powers that be. "Liberal eugenics" (at least as I understand it, though I wouldn't called it that) is more about an individual pregnant person's right to make decisions about their own health and the potential health of their child. Something about calling them by the same word doesn't sit right with me. Idk, anyone reading; your thoughts on this are welcome.
I suppose as an autistic person my thoughts on this are inevitably going to be biased, but I am very uncomfortable with the whole idea of "liberal eugenics". I feel like it's fine in principle to say that we should let parents have individual choice over what traits their future children may or may not have, but in practice people are going to be more influenced by the way their society around them is set up and what attitudes it already has than some sort of vaguely defined "individual choice", I think. For example, when debates about eugenic abortion comes up in autism circles online you very often get responses like "I wouldn't mind if my child was autistic but the services for high-support needs autistics in my area are very bad so I personally would abort" or "I have been treated terribly by neurotypicals my whole life so I am choosing to not have children". And it just gives me very bad vibes. Why is it so much easier to get governments and scientists to pump hundreds of millions of pounds into finding a pre-natal test for autism than it is to convince them to use that money to help support autistic people that already exist? There are real, tangible problems with the disability benefits system and residential care facilities that are leading to suffering and it just feels like abled people are looking at that and thinking that people like me just not existing anymore is the best possible solution to these problems. I can just very easily see a world existing where eugenic abortion and genetic modification are so normalised that governments no longer provide any sort of disability services as there are essentially no disabled people, which would in turn create massive indirect pressure on parents to not have disabled children, perpetuating the cycle. So an entire group of people will just vanish off the face of the earth and everyone will just assume it is a good thing. Idk it just makes me very uncomfortable.
@@emma7933 Very much this. Both compact and precise an explanation of various problems with this idea and of the experience of observing discourse surrounding it from a particular, highly relevant point of view.
@@emma7933 As someone with ADHD, I completely understand. There are parts of myself that I like that are tied to my ADHD, and a lot of my friends have the same traits, because they have ADHD as well. I'm sure if parents were able to modify or abort ADHD-marked pregnancies, it would become a rarer condition, and finding social support and solidarity would be even more difficult than it is now.
Just seeing the illustrations is painful, these subjects are so necessary to dissect. Thank you for what you put your own self through to expose this history of poisonous lies. I also just realized that around the time the Nazis were in Puerto Rico is around the time my great-grandmother left Puerto Rico with her 6 children and came to NYC. I'm so glad she did. Also you look absolutely stunning, my screen is so blessed 🙌 🌞😍
This is interesting and showed me a lot of things I haven’t learned about before. It’s quite sad I had to learn about it on the internet and not in school. Great video and beautiful singing!
I love, love, love how you connect the history of things to the present. I mean it's not like I'd expect any less from a Taurus, but I still love it. People want to talk about how "things are history," as if everything doesn't have its foundations in that, as if it doesn't still affect how we live today.
This is honestly a better video on scientific racism than StepBack History’s video on the topic! Speaking as a science nerd, science does need to address its racist/colonial history!
A lot of people still don't know the proper name for Roma, so it's probably better to either not use the g-slur (even with the preface that it was the word used) or to make sure you specify the correct terminology
very thankful for you and this channel! it’s making learning fun for me again and encouraging me to do my own outside research again. you’re a blessing!
It's funny you mentioned the orange, because that's the first thing I thought when I saw the opening - 'wow, Khadija looks so cute in that orange top!' Keep wearing that color, it looks good on you.
Oof...currently reading Jane Austen. The parts in the books that describe "good breeding" and rank people's looks like you would at a dog show...Crazy how that was just the norm
i mean the hierarchy of beauty is definitely still hugely intact. i would definitely still call it the norm for ppl to be ranked based on looks, just in more covert or unconscious ways. i feel like we sometimes don’t realise how drastically different ur life could be if u suddenly fit or didn’t the standard of beauty.
i love to watch your videos alongside my readings for my classes. I feel like you, your perspective, your research are invaluable, thank you so much for all the effort and depth. And as a student, i also really appreciate that these videos are free
Wow, Khadija, if you could talk about generational trauma and epigenetics, that would be an absolute gem for me! Hearing your thoughts on the subject: *chef's kiss*
Even though I understood a lot of this stuff already, the way you present and put together the information and research is so engaging and interesting. Fun fact: my Omas twin siblings were taken by the Nazis to be experimented on during the war 😬
I'm so happy you made a video on this! I'm currently writing a paper on how a lot of white gay US poetry and art in the late nineteenth- and early twentieth-century was influenced by phrenology and eugenics, and how the dominant artistic idea of what a gay person looks like was influenced by racist assumptions drawn from these pseudosciences. I really enjoyed watching this and thought it was really great that you highlighted both how American eugenic discourses were really popular throughout society at the time, and how the US used winning the war as a means of pretending it never happened.
It’s always scary when people are able you take a holier than thou perspective and use it as justification to literally maim and exploit other people. How do you even get there, just like stop worrying about getting the “perfect” human and go touch some grass 🙄
Oh my gosh, I love your comment so much. Tell them to go hug a tree. Ha!
I think I've seen you in Kennie's comment section haha
I prefer hanging out and touching grass to that, too. Sounds like a better day.
Touch some grass!!? Touching grass is for the inhumane!! We're simply too good for that! 🧐🧐🤓🤓🧐
As an indigenous Puerto Rican, hearing colonizers be like “indigenous people are exploiting the land” is just all types of triggering my dude. :’)
1870 - "Indians are exploiting the land."
1970 - *crying Indian public service announcement*
PS, just wanted to add, I know a lot of indigenous people don't like that term, but I was just using it for the context of quoting the European's mindset.
Lol I see what you did
@@eklectiktoni - Yeah and it turns out the "crying Indian" was some Italian dude appropriating the Native race!
@@YourMajesty143 i know, so sad.
My friend's (white) brothers were raised in Angola (Africa) and then one of them became a medical professional after they went back to Europe. They don't claim to be racist. But yet they believe in some of this pseudoscience like "black people feel less pain" or some shit like that. I seriously don't know where to unpack this. Dude was raised with black people and got a med degree.
What the hell man. He just totally believes that after all of his experiences?
That's actually fairly common for doctors to believe unfortunately. The was an idea that black people literally had thicker skin (probably propoganda to justify the slavery) but I believe was actually in medical textbooks for quite a while.
Is there any system in place to report them? I’ve never been to Europe so I wouldn’t know if any country there has something for this, but isn’t there a board of something to make sure medical professionals follow certain standards?
Because if a doctor went around telling people that 5G towers turn you gay or something, I imagine someone up the chain could revoke their license for spreading/acting on harmful lies, so shouldn’t their racist beliefs be grounds of getting them fired? Anyone -especially doctors- who believes that is a threat to patients and should be stopped immediately. Then again Europe isn’t known for taking racism very seriously so perhaps it wouldn’t do much
I have family in the medical field and two have run into racist doctors that actually believe the “black people don’t feel pain” myth. They were disgusted and frustrated. Later I came across a survey that asked how many doctors still believe this, and it was not zero. It’s horrifying.
yeah this is so common, a lot of doctors are taught this, and is a form of racism called medical racism
“i'm convinced aristotle was a virgo” literally where else am i gonna get this kind of quality content
EDIT: the title...NOT THIS!!
i also love pronouncing aristotle’s name like chipotle
my virgo ass would agree 😭
Honestly. Khadija’s amazing⭐️😭‼️
@@drewberriesandcream thank you, that's such a great idea 😂
Julian Steve Yes, she is. So glad to see how many new subscribers she has gotten. Khadijah and Themis and Thoth are producing the most intelligent content I have seen on UA-cam this year.
Please the way I read about Aristotle’s questionable shit in my political philosophy class and my teacher pointed out how wrong it is thank god
That's a shock, you're teacher is aware, lucky!
@@mewmew6158 actually my teacher is very woke like even more than me maybe, we started the class talking about how we as settlers on this indigenous land must educate ourselves on indigenous issues and stuff and before we learned about the fathers of politics we read indigenous writing so that it helps us critically think about these old white men’s writing that we will mostly be covering because they will be biased due to their class, gender and race. It was very helpful and excellent to mention all the context and criticize some of their questionable ideas , she’s so awesome.
Phrenology is still kinda used in forensic anthropology classes today. They say that you can determine the race of a person based on the shape of the eye bone, nose width, etc. They use it to determine the race of unidentifiable bodies. However, younger anthropologists are trying to get rid of it because it's obviously based on eugenics and there are far too many variables to really prove it.
Then how will they be able to identify the ethnic background of the person for forensics?
America tends to be binary still with ethnicity and “race” that is why they use it because it helps 90% of the time. This is because majority of white Americans are of Northern European descent, majority of black Americans are predominantly of specific portions of west African descent and native Americans/ East Asians as well as Hispanic Americans tend to be classified in the same skull shape list. However, for Hispanic Americans since most Hispanic Americans are of Mexican and puerto rican descent they will be mostly scene as asiatic, Caucasian or sometimes negriod. If you still find this weird and unacceptable I agree with you. I also agree that it definitely needs to be reviewed and change as more diasporas come through and mixed populations are growing at an all time high.
@Shadis Nightmare I agree ☝️
Scapegoat Miller don’t they still learn about those said features that form in people from mixed backgrounds and etc?
Scapegoat Miller by mixed race I meant they take both from their parents features :/ well if it doesn’t work then why is it still used in a scientific field? Surely they were able to replicate it enough times to come to the same conclusions
The hole eugenics part just reminded me of the Brazilian scholars that believed that interracial relationships would eventually wash away black people out, well in my family i didn't quite work since i have 2 black granparents, i ended up been darker than both of my parents, lighsking multiracial mom, white passing dad
Wow, Brazil’s scholars used to thought like this (maybe some still do of course LOL🤣)? I did not know that. Maybe one day I can talk about this on my channel or another UA-camr. This sounds interesting, yet disturbing. I am happy you know your background⭐️‼️
its a thing all over the spanish speaking americas too. a racist book called 'the cosmic race' popularized the idea of Blanqueamiento i think
Omg bruh we covered a lot of interesting stuff about Brazil’s culture and literature in my anthropology class. From my understanding there is definitely problems with colourism there and the colourblind society
there's a painting by Modesto Brocos called "A Redenção de Cam" ("The Redemption of Cam") that illustrates the period's thoughts perfectly, it was done in 1895 when this whole "branqueamento" philosophy was going on and the Brazilian imperialist government was bringing tons of European immigrants over to try to "white wash" Brazilian people. The painting shows a family celebrating the birth of a new child, and you can see an old, dark skinned grandma looking up in prayer and thanking for the fact that her lighter skinned daughter, who married a white man, had a white baby. It's possible to tell by the background house they're on that it's a poor, working class family, so it's very likely that the white husband was an immigrant. Anyway, we know how that REALLY went...
Is it true that y t Brazilians throw tantrums when they show dark skinned Brazilians on TV?
I couldn't sit through the video because the subject matter is infuriating. But props to you as always Khadija. ♡
props to you too for valuing and taking care of your mental health and well being! 🤗
IMHO, that’s even more of a reason to sit through the whole thing. Learning ain’t s’posed to be comfy cozy
@@Free2bJubilee I wasn't trying to imply that it should be comfortable. I'm already aware of this history and have done my reading long before this video was made. I enjoy watching Khadija's videos but I'm not subjecting myself to something that upsets me to this degree.
Understand
@@seleciaa That is exactly me as well. This video in particular did not disturb me but some of their other videos do, but if I already have knowledge about the matter and have researched enough about it but I also know that it is a topic that is heavy/disturbs me, I would rather not watch it on a particular day, for instance, or ever (though that "ever" scenario has never happened with me when watching Khadija's content but it has when I watch other UA-camrs' content sometimes, not because they're not good topics but because they truly hurt me deeply and sometimes, I'm not really able to recover).
Edit: Pronoun change. I had forgotten that Khadija goes by they/them pronouns.
As a disabled person I’m very wary of the idea of spending tons of time trying to have the ability to genetically engineer or even diagnose disabilities in utero. Even though things like Downs Syndrome or spina bifida aren’t deadly we know that doctors very much promote abortion when they diagnose these disabilities in utero because they don’t see disabled people as worthy of life. A huge amount of the money in autism research (my disability) is given to in utero diagnosis, genetic screening, and “cures” which usually means getting rid of an autistic fetus and many of these things are supported by parents of autistic children or organizations that claim to “speak for” autistic people.
i feel like some parents just don't want kids. they want low maintenance pet they can show off occasionally.
thank you for this. i am autistic too and i did a paper in college recently about the reality of “autism research.” i knew that 91% of all funding towards autism research was directed to the biology of it and what the risk factors were (basically what you mentioned but they made it sound nicer), and that only 9% of all funding went towards actually support services for autistic people. Now i know what they actually actually research
And yet, if I request to be sterilized, they can tell me I can't make that decision for myself, because I might change my mind. No seriously! You don't want me procreating! My brain is broken. I have migraines, and chronic pain, miss too much work, and was suicidal before I knew how broken my body was. I don't want to raise children which guarantees I would raise traumatized children which is bad for everyone. Trust me! Please!
Right?! I was thinking about this the other day. We’re actively encouraged to have children with all the anti-abortion and anti-sterilization there is in medical spaces. I don’t want biological children. My mental health is so awful because everyone in my family has mental illnesses and postpartum depression runs in my family too. Like???? Just make life easier for me thanks
Hi, may I ask if you're white? I'm wondering if doctors are more likely to deny sterilization of white women.n
@@ereristark425 I am. Other than my utterly garbage mental health which is worse than they imagine, I’m white, seemingly neurotypical, educated, not a drug user, not living in abject poverty, and not disabled or otherwise visibly undesirable if one were building a eugenicist master-race gene pool.
Maybe that’s where I went wrong? Maybe I should have tried playing up the unstable card instead of trying to convince them I was extremely knowledgeable and knew my own mind. /only sort of sarcastic
I could have fought harder, but my mental health was a bit of a barrier to fighting so hard for a secondary goal, that wasn’t simply getting the mental health resources, and income I needed to survive. I just didn’t have the energy to fight them.
@@sanjanar110 it's about control.
@@lynn858 I appreciate your thoughtful response. I'm sorry to hear that they were so dismissive of you. Hopefully, you'll find a doctor willing to hear you out in the future.
If you taking breaks means you’ll comeback 10xs more hilarious then by all means, take as much time you need …I died so many time rewinding this video , it’s embarrassing ..am I not embarrass
In Jamaica, an oreo is a "roast breadfruit". Charred black on the outside and then on the inside... you get the idea.
😂😂😂
dwl 🤣🤣🤣
Mexicans that don't speak Spanish are called Mexi-can't even though SPANISH is just as much of a colonizer's language like English baby! Thank you for covering this as this speaks to our whole flawed education system.
I was watching a video about that view on Spanish(I will try to find it) but what I think is also important to remember about the language is that... we latinos adopted it, we made it our own. Mexican, Peruvian Spanish is different. We incorporated native words and changed other parts and now we have something new, not that new even because it has been centuries. Yeah, the continent was colonized but we are all very mestizos now. Casamos ambas partes y debemos de encontrar más identidad que eso
Well said @serious heart !!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Yeah but... dude, just lern it. It's not that hard.
"Soy lo que me enseñó mi padre
El que no quiere a su patria, no quiere a su madre"
(Latinoamerica - calle 13)
It's... just hits different when you understand the language. It's part of your culture.
@@IsabellaCoelho I think the point he is trying to make is that Spanish is the language of the colonizer in Mexico, which is a historic fact. People should NOT be shamed for NOT knowing how to speak a new language. It’s not that easy for everyone.
@@Daiseehead even if Spanish is the language of the colonizers it is by now OUR language, or at least the most predominant. The language is important part of our identity as a group. Feeling ashamed or not is a personal thing but it is a vital part of the identity
Pratchett made fun of phrenology ages ago too "Retrophrenology: It works like this. Phrenology, as everyone knows, is a way of reading someone's character, aptitude and abilities by examining the bumps and hollows on their head. Therefore - according to the kind of logical thinking that characterizes the Ankh-Morpork mind - it should be possible to mould someone's character by giving them carefully graded bumps in all the right places. You can go into a shop and order an artistic temperament with a tendency to introspection and a side order of hysteria. What you actually get is hit on the head with a selection of different size mallets, but it creates employment and keeps the money in circulation, and that's the main thing"
Thank you, I forgot about that . He was a genious in describing humanity's flaws while still making me love all his creations.
I love this 😍
Anybody praising the work of Terry Pratchett is a friend of mine. GNU Terry Pratchett
A man is not dead while his name is still spoken. GNU Terry Pratchett
I don't think this is a smart thought experiment. Certain illnesses make people fat, but liposuction won't fix the real underlying issue. Similarly, making people fat and filling them up with aminoacids, vitamins and minerals won't cure a disease that makes people thin, like emphysema. The same would be true for this mind-body pattern.
Hey, i don't know if you will see this but i am a Brazilian high school student and i really love your videos and your style about talking about certain issues. I had a school project about "the importance of diversity in brazilian publicity" and when writing the "essay" part i used your video about east asian stereotypes as inspiration to write about asian brazilians. Love how funny, witty you are and is just a great way to educate yourself while feeling like you are having a conversation you know? thank you for everything and i really like you content :)
Reading this makes me happy. I am happy that Khadija is making a impact internationally🙌🏾‼️
@Motown Gayes YESSSSSSS⭐️‼️
Honestly, we Germans like to say we're the country of poets and thinkers (Das Land der Dichter und Denker) but I'm pretty sure had some Germans spent a little less time thinking, we would be much better off. 😐
It’s actually ridiculous how one of the most famous German philosophers Immanuel Kant (pronounced c*nt) is known and celebrated for the categorical Imperative (something like a thought experiment that helps one figure out what the ethically right action to take is) while having written papers that justify racism…
And that we kinda excuse it, because he said good stuff too :/
Or that no one seems to care that Hegel was a sexist “because who wasn’t at the time”
But interestingly a lot of people give these two a lot of credit for positive breakthroughs in the field of philosophy
I guess at the end of the day it just matters which of your ideas were most influential or highlighted the most…
Wtf did I just write… I actually just meant to agree…
@@moustacheman8451 Yea I definitely agree that it is always important to take into consideration the problematic parts of historical figures' lives, views and actions, despite whatever good things they might've done. I'm guessing though that one of the reasons people seem to not talk about those negative parts as much is because they're greatly overshadowed by their other works which may have been unrelated to those views or actions. Though obviously this isn't the case with lots of historical figures either.
@@moustacheman8451 I think they deserve the credit when they had their significant contribution and advanced theories, critical thinking etc.
Yet that doesn't take away their problematic opinions, which should also be taken into consideration. A lot of well-known people have those more hidden unpleasant side, where they cease to shine.
In my opinion, we shouldn't idolise people like Kant, especially when there are others who have less conflicted biographies, thus being a a better option for a role model.
@@moustacheman8451 I think the reason why their better ideas are highlighted over their more shitty ones is that they were able to produce genuinely insightful and profound theories despite being somewhat limited in their knowledge & outlook on life. For example, Kant never left his hometown of Konigsberg even once in his life and thus relied on what others had written about the Native Americans or the Africans to form his judgement about them. If he had been in America or had seen slaves and how they were treated, who is to say that his outlook wouldn't have been changed entirely to be more coherent with his philosophy? Just my two cents :)
LMFAO
this is wild. I found out a while ago there was a lot of compulsory sterilization for eugenics in Scandinavia as well.
Yes. 😕 In Uppsala, Sweden the university had a racebiological institute. That makes me sick to my stomach.
@@pyenygren2299 well there's a reason why they are one of the richest and most advanced countries
@@rfhsrzh2064 yea exploitation of the third world, though they are absolutely not by any means the only ones, or even the most exploitative, cough cough America
@@rfhsrzh2064 yea exploitation of the third world, though they are absolutely not by any means the only ones, or even the most exploitative, cough cough America
@@Dell-ol6hb the Scandinavians didn’t “exploit the third world” and now they’re beautiful, kind, and smart as a result of their “horrible” history of eugenics.
survivorship bias which is a type of sampling bias of success stories make people believe that capitalism works. in fact, the fact that only a few thrive when way more could is a sign that it doesn't work. we could have a better world
also, was that mic always that big?
good vid
lol yes it was
The same applies to why people think that communism always fails. I'm sure it has _nothing_ to do with the nonstop militant opposition they face from capitalist countries. (please end Cuba's sanctions already)
Additionally, the victors control the narrative of history. :')
@@guy-sl3kr the problem is we seem to ignore that that itself is a problem. Not with socialism mind you but the methodology. I mean we should know they are gonna try to kill us and oppress us, so shouldn't we find ways to adapt to it. Also yeah end the sanctions
@@modgoat2594 The methodology of socialism? I don't understand what you're saying here
hearing the sentence: the Brits took to phrenology like abed took to Cougar town just made my whole day
Khadija, I love the British accent and your sense of humor🤣‼️You made this video extremely digestible. A deep video, but you handle this topic well (as usual).
Hey Khadija, I love this video. I had this same conversation because of the experience I had in my Philosophy II class with a "less than open-minded" individual who held so tightly to the ideals of Aristotle that they were spouting off that person's rhetoric as their own. I came away from that class knowing that my professor (who had a doctorate in Philosophy), in essence, NEVER HAD A SINGLE SOLITARY AUTHENTIC THOUGHT OF THEIR OWN. This person went as far as to say, anyone who doesn't believe what these "ancient pioneers of philosophical thought" were ignorant and could not understand what they had to say. I came away with the understanding that This professor was ignorant beyond their own comprehension and could not even fathom a universe in which there was another perspective to be aware of. (Before you ask, yes, they were.) The rhetoric of ancient Greek philosophers was good for what it was, at their time, but we are living in the 21st century, not ancient Greece. Everyone has the right to think. Good video.
Also, you not taking the "The gall of F. Joseph Gall" bait was an unfortunate loss. I hope you do better in your next video.
looool me too
The theme of race and eugenics in this video and the fact that you mentioned sterilization in Puerto Rico kinda reminded me of the latest episode of Dark History by Bailey Sarian where she talked about how birth control came about and how it connected to eugenics of Puerto Rican women in poverty with the use of sterilization. It’s a great podcast and Bailey also posted it on her UA-cam in her Dark History playlist.
I started looking forward to Sundays unknowingly because I developed a habit of eating lunch while working and watching your videos. im an unapologetic stan
I'm not even 2 minutes in and omg your skin is glowing girl.
We Stan.
The Kellogg cereal guy is actually the brother of John Harvey. John did create the cereal for his sanitarium, but his brother added sugar and made it a household name. It's a wild story. And John Harvey Kellogg was batcrap crazy.
Yes. John Harvey also believed that bland and boring food would stop people from m@sterb@ting, hence Corn Flakes. He was livid at his brother for adding sugar.
it's wild how the forced sterilization of indigenous people was just a thing that happened very similarly all over the world. here in norway sami women were sterilized against their will and knowledge until 1975 (and this was just when it was no longer legislation, it could have happened later with individual doctors), some of them was as young as 14 years old.
eugenics were huge in scandinavia though, one thing i remember very well from when we learned about it in school were these notes taken in a "research facility", where they basically kidnapped sami families to measure their skulls and research their behaviour. a lot of notes said something like "the sami is less cooperative than the aryan person, doesn't understand simple instruction and won't follow simple orders" (like yeah dude, you're keeping them against their will and are treating them like lab animals, of course they're not cooperative), another phrase i remember very well was something like "the sami is in intelligence and personality more like the african than the aryan man". the "science" of eugenics gave anti-sami racism new breath and led to what we call "norwegianization" politics; this led to sterilization, residential schools, and a whole generation of children losing their native language as a result of being abused for speaking sami.
in the name of eugenics, researchers would grave rob sami cemeteries, and to this day around 1000 sami skulls are kept at the university of oslo, and families are struggling to get back the remains of their ancestors and family members.
Dija playing w/ my heart, had me thinking the video come out early - come to find out, it schedule for tomorrow 🥺😭
Wealthy people (and on a global scale American middle class is wealthy) get to be “intelligent”, always have and probably always will.
As if QI had more to do with education than anything...
as genetics major this video made me feel like a kid in a candy store. So well researched.
17:27 Not my Non-native speaking ass mishearing Plato as Play-Doh and being reeeally confused for a second until I look at the screen 🤔😥😅🤣
Honestly even to native speakers it happens no worries lol.
I’m Sri Lankan and they call us coconuts
@Thobeka Ngwenyama Last time I heard anyone called a coconut was back in high school. I thought that wasn't a thing anymore.
@Thobeka Ngwenyama I Matriculated in 2017.
Same word is used in the mexican community
White People Be Like:
“Hey! If you can crossbreed plants with desirable traits to get better plants and crossbreed animals with desirable traits to get better animals why not…?”
Everyone Else: NO
it's called g*rbage can not g*rbage cannot uwu
Royal family: am I a joke to you?
@@nguverenahua59 😂🤣
@@nguverenahua59
Almost Everyone: *Yes, yes you are X)*
Yeah, a whole mess. SMH🤣🤦🏾♂️‼️
your videos make me feel better about dropping out of college for my sociology degree because you keep me EDUCATED 🎓
There is literally no one on this earth who could have presented such a harsh topic in such a lovely, humorous, dynamic way. Thank you, Khajija!!!
SHE IS SMART
Shanespeare actually has this great video she just dropped on the Oreo term and how its used. Y'all should check it out!
Why did I read that as Shakespeare 😭
Yesss she’s amazing :D
really appreciate the discussion on trauma/advancement and people having to prioritize the basic needs vs world domination
I think I was watching a Indian movie and they used the term “coconut” in the same way as a Oreo or banana… I was shook to hear that
yep indians say coconut irl as well
I think it means brown person ‘acting white’
Self hate is real thing
how does that little melody from Community hit so hard every time i hear it 😪😮💨
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Great video! It reminds me of those ppl who shout things like, “…but, but Slavery’s been over for ages, Apartheid’s been over for decades, Colonialism has been over for decades, why are we still talking about it? Why can’t those ppl that were affected pull themselves up and rule themselves better…” etc.
Like we seem to have real difficulty or a denial in understanding how time works; the present shapes the future, and no matter how much we hope, the limits to how far really is just one of those things that’s hardly ever up to us.
Khadija is my personal historian i love it here 😂
fantastic vid as always! your train of thought at 34:22 made me think of maslow's hierarchy of needs. if people don't have access to their most basic physiological needs like food, water, and shelter, then they're not going to have the opportunity or luxury to aspire to much beyond that (whether that's nefarious "how do i exploit this entire group of people for money" type stuff in the context of this video, or even just personal/individual stuff - "what can i do with my life that will make me feel fulfilled", etc).
Unfun fact that I learned from a Shoshone girl I went to a creative writing class with, but the "oreo" equivalent for them is "apple", red on the outside, white on the inside. Sad that it's so prevalent :(
Honestly I can't even imagine how it feels to be black and have to listen and read all of this stuff...people were really REALLY out of their mind back then, and as much as I feel like I'm pretty good at understanding history I will never get how much hatred one must have in itself to develop these theories
In the 70s there was a systemic sterilisation of Romani women in Czechoslovakia. Still segregation in some schools in Europe,even though they are trying to improve on that by inclusion.
Not to take away from the matter at hand, but I have to say I loved you started the video singing Daybreak with the little Troy hand movement 😂
I work in the mental health field, and we had to go over so many of those pseudosciences in undergrad when learning about the history of psychology. Definitely a lot more interesting hearing it from you lol.
Absolutely love this video!
To the last point you made about people in traumatizing situations not having the time or brain power to philosophize; I don't necessarily think that true. There's plenty of evidence around the resiliency and resourcefulness of people in dire situations, particularly people who were enslaved. Often we don't have the platform, credibility, or abilities to articulate ourselves in a manner that allows us to be heard and taken seriously. And the people at the top have an invested interest in silencing any kind revolutionary ideas that come about from the people they exploit, which in turn can make us FEEL like we have nothing of value to contribute to society even if that's far from the truth. Of course there are people who are so stressed by surviving day-to-day they don't often think outside of their immediate needs, but I think that's giving the elite too much credit to suggest they only came up with revolutionary theories and ideas because they had the time to do so.
It is pretty upsetting to see how long phrenology has lasted as a "science" in Anglo culture. Rereading one of my favorite books "The Lost World" by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, it is ridiculous the extent to which the Irish narrator is belittled and insulted by the English Professor Challenger. The latter even goes as far as to insinuate that the narrator is so perceptive in the rainforest because of the theory that the Irish are descended from the n****oid peoples, and that there's supposedly some "ESP" type bs that the Irish possess.
wow
Yeah, it's one of my favorite books too but I cringe when Challenge looks at the narrator, measures his skull and goes to say "Aha, he's Irish" and there's a lot of "noble savage Irishmen" things going around. The Afro-Brazilian "hercules" porter speaks in broken English and is literally named Zambo, while the human villains are "half-breeds" (to be fair, they're also ex-slavers and Zambo gets some nice revenge on one of them)
Stoker does the same thing in his books too.
Yeah it’s wild the amount of discrimination the Irish have faced throughout history despite also being european, they weren’t even considered “white” up until more recently. People like to sweep all that under the rug (mainly the English) but us Irish people still talk about it. Even today there’s a lot of discrimination the Irish face from the English, like the fact that Northern Ireland is still owned by them despite most irish not wanting that at all. It’s called northern IRELAND for a reason.
Wild how even among Europeans there’s hatred of ethnicities they view as “others” despite them being European as well. Not just with the Irish, but with the indigenous Sámi people (the only true indigenous Europeans) and Romani people and Slavic people.
Or even the fact that European Christians tried to wipe out my religion from Europe (what they called paganism, which is a word some of us have reclaimed and some of us have not. Not to be confused with “Wicca” a bunch of paganism appropriating nonsense created by some racist guy in the 1900s). That’s why most Christian holiday traditions come from pagan traditions, they wanted to make it so it seemed as though paganism never existed and so it would be easier to convert pagans to Christianity.
@@guytrashgurtdog I'd argue the Basque should be included as one of the truly indigenous Europeans, what with how they are known to have been stable in the area they currently reside as far back as the Roman Republic, and theirs is the only non-Indo-European language in Europe (also dated at least as far back as the Roman Republic).
As far as the Christian holiday stuff is concerned, a lot of that is more arcane than is assumed by the general public, but those holidays also fall victim to local naming conventions. The name of "Easter" is germanic and pagan in origin, but the actual celebration and date of it is not (it's roughly based on Passover's dating).
Even dates like Christmas are rooted in Christian symbolism rather than any appropriative origins; it's placed 9 months after the Annunciation, which was traditionally the more important holy day. In Orthodox Christianity, the Annunciation even takes precedence over Good Friday, the celebration of conception over the death of Christ.
A lot of Christian traditions ended up using syncretism to be more agreeable to converted populations.
P.S. Speaking as a latino, and a vaguely Mexican-American, it's definitely still brushed under the rug. Americans will in one breath claim that all cultures are welcome, and in the next shame Hispanics for taking jobs (that Americans don't even apply for).
Halfway through your video now.
Funny, interesting, well researched..well presented.
Earned your sub for sure.
i know the term “coconuts” is used for brown people (i don’t think it’s specific for any particular race or ethnicity)
I think it's a term primarily used by Indians meaning to be brown on the outside but white inside. In comparison Black Americans say oreo and means the same thing as coconut.
I'm an almond joy at this point
Charles Darwin: People of all races are the same species
Eugenicists: And I took that personally
Darwin: "So there's races, but they're all human"
Racists: "RACES! GOT IT!"
Darwin: "The merciless selection is inapplicable to humanity because of our compassion, a social strategy"
Racists: "Merciless selection! WOO!"
The "liberal eugenics" thing cuts deep to me. Didn't know there was a name for the thing I have been considering. Because I have long considered my family medical history when it comes to whether or not I will ever have children. There is A LOT of chronic illness and hereditary cancer in my family. I have one of those chronic illnesses, and have long expected that I will eventually die of one those cancers. I'm not sure I should put that on a child I could have. This has nothing to do with intelligence. My family averages quite intelligent. But we are also very sick. And there might even be a cause. Studies have been done on the children and grandchildren of people exposed to chemicals during the Spanish civil war, and my family fits the bill. I don't want to "do" a eugenics, but I also don't know if it's ethical to bring a child into the world that has a disproportionate chance of suffering from the diseases that are rampant in my family.
It's a tough choice. I have a family member who won't have children because they have serious illnesses that have been passed down at least 4 - 5 generations. This person made that decision when they were 10 years old.
@@tjwarburton they have my respect and sympathy, my situation is a little more cumulative, than one specific illness over so many generations. I can't walk in their shoes, but I feel like we got to the same place for similar reasons. Glad to know I'm not the only one, always sad to hear about another person's struggles.
We should all be anti-natalist regardless
I think in your case this would be very different; I don’t think you trying to protect a potential child from so much illness, like the kind you say you and your family has, is anything like eugenics. So many people with chronic illnesses cannot work or be independent, and the struggle for appropriate healthcare is a huge barrier to living a “normal” life. I think you’re a kind and thoughtful person for even considering this topic, and it must be difficult to contemplate any decision you feel you may need to make for your own body and life. I hope you don’t feel too badly about your thoughts.
Community music represent!! :D
Soy face
As a Puerto Rican, that part about the forced sterilization of some of my people always makes me upset. They don’t teach us about it at our schools until you get to college, and only a few will even have teachers teach that sort of thing, or you look it up yourself. They really hide it or straight up don’t include in our history books, as well as the fact that many celebrated doctors in the US would use us as guinea pigs for testing drugs, like birth control pills and Viagra. It’s really frustrating to learn about all that stuff, but it’s also interesting in a way.
Me: "What is that smell?"
Khadija Mbowe: "It's tea."
Me: "Wow! That sounds lovely. What flavour is it? Oochā? Assāmese? Jasmine? My Grandpa's special Moringa tea?"
Khadija Mbowe: [Takes a long sip.]
"Historical and nuanced context."
Me: "Really?" [Tastes some of the "Context tea"] "... 💥 It tastes beautiful!! 💖"
looooool
Aw this so wholesome
So glad you brought up this topic. ❤️
Edit: I studied archeology so we did talk of taxonomy and phrenology and all that... But of course from a "history of archeological thought" perspective, not this kind of discussion. So... We must address it.
About sterilizations, it reminds me of when my Aunt said she had surgery done for something else but ended up infertile because of an “oopsie” the surgeon made during surgery. I didn’t think anything along the lines of sterilization of black and indigenous women until I heard about this terrible practice years ago.
Amazing video, I learned a lot. Anthropology Major here.
This was only briefly touched in the history of anthropology, but in older books it's a huge thing. "Scientific" racism goes pretty far back. Eugenics combined two British things- breeding domestic animals and imperialism. "We're in charge, and this is why, and why we should stay in charge"
We did have a few sessions about this formative period and how anthropology both physical and cultural was used for justifying colonialism. Science is always contextual.
There was already an informal eugenicist idea in society- "good stock" "good blood", basically families having better worth than each other for marriages, employment, elections, etc. Already in 1729 Johnathan Swift was mocking the hysteria about the "Irish horde" in Britain. Malthus inspired the theory of natural selection, but personally held the belief that suffering and death for poor people was a result of their "moral failures" in God's eyes. It was the old "the poor deserve to be poor" argument.
Like evolution itself, it was hijacked to justify colonialism by conflating the science with tradition via pseudoscience. There was a similar thing with misogyny- psychology and medicine combining with sexist attitudes for the "hysteria" "disease"
Anthropology has traditionally not only elevated "races", genders, religions, etc, but even technology and subsistence patterns into hierarchies. From Aristotle onward, there was this imposition of hierarchy on EVERYTHING.
Had a flashback when you mentioned oreos and bananas. I've also heard coconut used instead of oreo. There was even a sitcom in South Africa maybe 15ish years ago called The Coconuts that was about a white family and their black maid that had their race swapped by a witchdoctor
that's the single weirdest sitcom premise I've ever heard of in my life lmao
KHADIJA, YOUR CONTENT IS AMAZING!! you also have me cracking up every 5 seconds, trying not to spit out my tea lmaoo
looool take breaks!
Really excited the next video. In my linguistics classes they always bc say that linguistic discrimination is one of the few forms of prejudice that’s still widely accepted.
I completely agree!
I couldn't find when Aristotle was born, some say he was born in august, so I'm gonna assume that you're correct and he was a virgo
He can't be a leo, they're too ... Dumb 😳
because of the axial precession of the earth, back when he was born the sun would be in Virgo mostly during August, not September
@@Alice-gr1kb earth's orbit has definitely changed since the 4th century bce, but the ancient greeks also used a different calendar, the modern calendar started to take its shape only in 45 bce when Caesar changed the roman moon calendar to a sun calendar inspired by the egyptian one and, so, I don't know math or numbers and I definitely don't know what this means, but it certainly sounds relevant
@@heavenly2k damn don’t come for my sign like that lmao
In Ancient Greece, the idea that whoever was a slave could also be a ruler was extremely common (at least around the time Khadija is talking about) in fact many slaves that managed to buy there way to freedom (most didn't become citizens afterwards though because despite Greece being the homeland of democracy who could participate in that democracy is limited) actually owned slaves themselves
Yes, I heard of this before in college. Yeah, it took for me to go to college to hear that in Africa (yes, I know Africa is a continent) the rich/non-slave Africans would have slaves too😬…
@@JulianSteve I know right, sometimes it's hard to accept that slavery was just a fact of life in every continent for the longest time, except for Antarctica but thats obvious.
Rome. That was Rome, not Greece.
@@MurasakiMonogatari it might have also been Rome but it was definitely Greece from what I know
I've only heard of this being the case in ancient rome (tho many of their slaves _were_ greek), do you know where I can read about that?
Oreos are for Black people, Bananas are for East Asians, and Coconuts are for any other brown person... The whole thing is just 🤦🏾♀️
I think with Native Americans, it's 'apples'.
Coconut is usually from groups that reside by the oceans
@@eklectiktoni Yup, my dad was called an apple for not being raised on the rez when he went to college in South Dakota
@@wanderinglines5965 :(
Your content is incredible, thank you so much for putting this information together and out in the world!
I wanted to add John Kellogg assisted in founding the Seventh Day Adventist church, which felt so massively ironic when you pointed out how much Eugenics is a slap in the face to God, because it essentially says "I can do a better job".
To answer your question from the beginning: In German you say "Kartoffel" aka potatoe.
not really, kartoffel is usually used to refer to actual germans, not POCs who act german
@@iamdarcluawhoisyou3900 Oh okay. Seems I misunderstood the oreo/banana-thing.
Thank you for including the forced sterilization in Puerto Rico! It actually was tied to eugenics, by law, hospitals, medical schools, and clinics were allowed to use eugenics to argue the sterilization of women in the island. It was law until it was legislated out in 2011.
Wow! That recently?!
@@Tareltonlives It was one of those cases of people slowly not following it, by the early 80’s it was being faced out, many people learning the procedure was irreversible, a lack of children causing schools to close (leading to a lack of proper infrastructure to this day now that the birth rate has raised), and the activism of many people helping reveal things like how it was being performed on people without even their knowledge. Even of it was not being followed since the early 80’s it was still in the law books and in 2011 it was legislated out, even referencing how it was a program functioning basically like Nazi Germany’s eugenics programs. There is a great expose documentary in UA-cam called “La Operación” that was done during the 80’s and it goes in detail into all this and even includes the pill trials. Sadly it’s only in Spanish because it was a local production. Tbh I only learned of the 2011 legislation when I was doing a paper on the way media has barely covered this and in many cases covers it with a false view such as saying people where all for the operation. There is a long history in PR of medical experimentation and most people out of the island don’t know about it.
@@crisgdincoffeespoons7574 Spanish is my first language. I'll check that out. It's pretty horrifying, and thank you for letting me know
I remember in my biology exam there was a question that was something like: Some developmental disorders can be checked for while the fetus is within the womb and the pregnancy could be terminated if wished, discuss problems with testing in this way?
As a person with a developmental disability I just cried on my exam paper for a good five minutes and instead wrote how maybe with correct support having a developmental disability isn't all bad all the time. You don't get your exam papers back so who knows what the exam board thought but I hope whoever wrote that question felt ashamed of themselves.
What a great way and attitude to discuss these things Khadija! edit: with phernology, I get a picture in my head of some goopy dude in trench coat in a dark ally creeping up to me and saying like, "psst, let me feeeel your head... I must know what's inside!"
as an NB person can I just say how much I appreciate your greeting at the beginning of each video? it's such a small thing but it means a lot to be included.
This is sad but true, I remember growing up with a neighbor that was mentally challenged and I'll never forget the when she made 18 she had to go in to have a tubal ligation because of it. At the time I really didn't understand how detrimental that was.
As a historian with an interest in philosophy, I can confirm that Aristotle was, indeed, a virgo.
I have been listening to your videos while doing my statistics homework, and since you were talking about eugenics recently I was wondering if you've ever made a video about statistical methods? My professor had us read these really interesting articles about Fischer, a pioneer in statistics who was also a eugenicist, whose tests we still use today in determining the validity of a study/ the significance of data. In the blog post 'Meditations on Inclusive Statistics' I read that in continuing to use these statistical tests, we are actually perpetuating colonialism regardless of our intentions because it still naturally tends towards confirmation bias and black-and-white thinking.
Your nuanced takes are a breath of fresh air, and even with a heavy subject like this your sense of humor always puts a smile on my face. I'm so glad I came across your channel!
Just bumped into this content and it was very good. Love the sisters delivery and ability to make, often bland subject matter, very interesting and funny. Great work!
“If y’all think you can start boycotting kellogs” i get an ad from kellogs right before you said that ON YOUR VIDEO
Orange suits you so well tho🥺🧡 and it’s honestly one of my favorite colors 😭
i’m super excited for the lingustic supremacy video! as someone who studies linguistics, it’s super prevalent in our pop culture understanding of language, and also has lots to do with discrimination against the d/Deaf
Really good research here! In psychology courses, we actually learn about eugenics and phrenology as one of the many precursors of psychology and how it was used for inhumane purposes. It's an important part of history to know about for any health professionnals!
By her pose in the thumbnail i already know this is going to be fire
30:15 I think that the modification side of liberal eugenics is wildly different from the elective abortion side of liberal eugenics. Deciding not to continue your own pregnancy, for any reason, is a lot simpler and more understandable to me (and more immediately relevant) than deciding to make intentional changes to your offspring's genes.
Obviously both could potentially be motivated by either compassion or prejudice, but I feel like human genetic modification has more racist and ableist vibes? Reproductive freedom is one thing, playing God is another.
Of course, that's what people say about abortion rights right now, so who knows; maybe in the future families will be marching for their right to genetically modify their unborn children to reduce their suffering. Maybe it'll be seen as a form of healthcare. In the big picture, I'd certainly rather see potentially disabled people be born into less or no suffering to parents who are ready for them, and go on to live their lives as they see fit, rather than seeing them not be born at all just because they're disabled or at higher risk. Of course, who gets to decide what's "suffering" or a "disability", what's an "aesthetic flaw", and what is "not worth such extreme measures to fix" will be important; ideally actually disabled people would offer stories and experiences for research and prospective parents would take it into account when making their decisions, but we know things don't always work out that way.
I think I just flip-flopped my whole opinion... idk. In any case, the only other thing that's bugging me is that I feel like authoritarianism is kind of integral to "eugenics" since it's goal is NOT to reduce suffering for individuals, but to purposefully change the genetic makeup of the human population in a given country in hopes of "improving the species" according to the prejudices of the powers that be.
"Liberal eugenics" (at least as I understand it, though I wouldn't called it that) is more about an individual pregnant person's right to make decisions about their own health and the potential health of their child. Something about calling them by the same word doesn't sit right with me.
Idk, anyone reading; your thoughts on this are welcome.
I suppose as an autistic person my thoughts on this are inevitably going to be biased, but I am very uncomfortable with the whole idea of "liberal eugenics". I feel like it's fine in principle to say that we should let parents have individual choice over what traits their future children may or may not have, but in practice people are going to be more influenced by the way their society around them is set up and what attitudes it already has than some sort of vaguely defined "individual choice", I think. For example, when debates about eugenic abortion comes up in autism circles online you very often get responses like "I wouldn't mind if my child was autistic but the services for high-support needs autistics in my area are very bad so I personally would abort" or "I have been treated terribly by neurotypicals my whole life so I am choosing to not have children". And it just gives me very bad vibes.
Why is it so much easier to get governments and scientists to pump hundreds of millions of pounds into finding a pre-natal test for autism than it is to convince them to use that money to help support autistic people that already exist? There are real, tangible problems with the disability benefits system and residential care facilities that are leading to suffering and it just feels like abled people are looking at that and thinking that people like me just not existing anymore is the best possible solution to these problems. I can just very easily see a world existing where eugenic abortion and genetic modification are so normalised that governments no longer provide any sort of disability services as there are essentially no disabled people, which would in turn create massive indirect pressure on parents to not have disabled children, perpetuating the cycle. So an entire group of people will just vanish off the face of the earth and everyone will just assume it is a good thing. Idk it just makes me very uncomfortable.
The nuance, the compassion, the flexibility of thought... not trying to sound like a creep but this comment is a work of art, imo.
@@emma7933 Very much this. Both compact and precise an explanation of various problems with this idea and of the experience of observing discourse surrounding it from a particular, highly relevant point of view.
@@emma7933 As someone with ADHD, I completely understand. There are parts of myself that I like that are tied to my ADHD, and a lot of my friends have the same traits, because they have ADHD as well. I'm sure if parents were able to modify or abort ADHD-marked pregnancies, it would become a rarer condition, and finding social support and solidarity would be even more difficult than it is now.
Just seeing the illustrations is painful, these subjects are so necessary to dissect. Thank you for what you put your own self through to expose this history of poisonous lies.
I also just realized that around the time the Nazis were in Puerto Rico is around the time my great-grandmother left Puerto Rico with her 6 children and came to NYC. I'm so glad she did.
Also you look absolutely stunning, my screen is so blessed 🙌 🌞😍
This is interesting and showed me a lot of things I haven’t learned about before. It’s quite sad I had to learn about it on the internet and not in school. Great video and beautiful singing!
Your British accent is amazing! I’m from London but I’m black, so I know how to season my chicken 💅🏾
I love, love, love how you connect the history of things to the present. I mean it's not like I'd expect any less from a Taurus, but I still love it. People want to talk about how "things are history," as if everything doesn't have its foundations in that, as if it doesn't still affect how we live today.
This is honestly a better video on scientific racism than StepBack History’s video on the topic! Speaking as a science nerd, science does need to address its racist/colonial history!
A lot of people still don't know the proper name for Roma, so it's probably better to either not use the g-slur (even with the preface that it was the word used) or to make sure you specify the correct terminology
very thankful for you and this channel! it’s making learning fun for me again and encouraging me to do my own outside research again. you’re a blessing!
" I started my chicken farm with just 1 feather" - motivational speakers
It's funny you mentioned the orange, because that's the first thing I thought when I saw the opening - 'wow, Khadija looks so cute in that orange top!' Keep wearing that color, it looks good on you.
Oof...currently reading Jane Austen. The parts in the books that describe "good breeding" and rank people's looks like you would at a dog show...Crazy how that was just the norm
i mean the hierarchy of beauty is definitely still hugely intact. i would definitely still call it the norm for ppl to be ranked based on looks, just in more covert or unconscious ways. i feel like we sometimes don’t realise how drastically different ur life could be if u suddenly fit or didn’t the standard of beauty.
I knew there was a reason why i am against reading classical literature.It is so vulgar & has a lot of prejudice
Am I missing something because that still happens 💀
@@mycatisaslayqueen9778 most idiotic sentence I ever read
not me dancing through your "video! videoooo" in the beginning :) love ur stuff btw
i love to watch your videos alongside my readings for my classes. I feel like you, your perspective, your research are invaluable, thank you so much for all the effort and depth. And as a student, i also really appreciate that these videos are free
Wow, Khadija, if you could talk about generational trauma and epigenetics, that would be an absolute gem for me! Hearing your thoughts on the subject: *chef's kiss*
I have to come back to finish this, but I just wanted to tell you how amazing you are ❤️❤️❤️
The "good luck boycotting Kelloggs" got followed up with a Kelloggs ad for me...
Even though I understood a lot of this stuff already, the way you present and put together the information and research is so engaging and interesting.
Fun fact: my Omas twin siblings were taken by the Nazis to be experimented on during the war 😬
I'm so happy you made a video on this! I'm currently writing a paper on how a lot of white gay US poetry and art in the late nineteenth- and early twentieth-century was influenced by phrenology and eugenics, and how the dominant artistic idea of what a gay person looks like was influenced by racist assumptions drawn from these pseudosciences. I really enjoyed watching this and thought it was really great that you highlighted both how American eugenic discourses were really popular throughout society at the time, and how the US used winning the war as a means of pretending it never happened.