This is what UA-cam should be about to be able to see things that are helpful and this interview give so much information 18 months of a course condensed in 4 hours. Of course there’s things that still have to learn but is very good interview with very good details. Wow thanks
We live in amazing times, what a treat to listen to this incredible discussion. So many gold nuggets. Brain popping. Like taking a 6-month course in 4.5 hours. And just out there streaming on the internet! Thank you Film Courage and Mr. Kitchen for this inspirational video. I'm writing a feature right now and this has completely turned it on its head (this is a good thing). Just lobbed a hand grenade into the story. I am not afraid.
"The power of the film resides in the response of the audience..".. so true. I recall the cinema audience cheering when Christopher Reeve left the Fortress of Solitude and flew towards the camera for the first time, the cinema literally erupting in applause and cheers when Vader saved Luke, picking Palpatine up and casting him into the abyss. Such bottled lighting should stir and inspire all writers,
Life is so strange. About a week or two ago, I was wondering "Whatever happened to Jeff Kitchen...". Some twenty-five years ago I took a class w/ him. It was a small group of about six of us... . It was one of the best classes I ever took. He is a terrific person; so knowledgeable, inspirational, and articulate. I remember he was into surfing (my screenplay had to do w/ surfing) Anyway, I'm rambling. I'm going to watch the interview. I am so appreciative.
@@nobody_there_Syd Fields has a good book. Also, look at the three-act structure (ref. B. Shaw the playwright); as most screenplays follow this approach. (I expanded more on your question in your YT profile). You should also read a lot of screenplays. Also, this might be worth looking into. Consider utilizing a literary device known as "Flash Fiction" (micro-stories). It can be a stand-alone piece, or it can serve as a means to an end. It can help with character development, writing your premise, treatment, synopsis, and proposals. Flash Fiction, can even help you with writer's block. As a modality, your micro-story can more easily morph into a screenplay, short story, novel, or series. For me, to be able to develop one's own sense of "Literary Breadth", has been a game-changer...
I have just bought this book and i am on ch. one but i think its the best book to start screenwriting . it tells you so much about the craft. The work he has put into this is amazing . I am really enjoying reading it . Thank you mr Kitchen you have done your very best for everyone with this piece of work i am now listening to your video thank you also for this best wishes Lynda
Thanks once again Film Courage! And Thank you SO MUCH Jeff!!! Your knowledge and wisdom are a beam of light to us all AND your dedication to the craft of storytelling AND of teaching is TRULY inspirational. I feel blessed just to be your (very novice) padawan! Luv 2 u all from Argentina!
B sharp! 😂 Tell me you're not a musician without telling me you're not a musician! But this was exactly what I needed to hear at this point in my writing. Thanks a million.
at last! haha stoked to slog through this and return to it when needed, thank you both! (and thank you for the time stamps in the description! it really helps)
Karen, Derrick doesn't see that the worst that could happen is not that she turns him. It's that he's inextricably vulnerable to blackmail because of her. He's become a prisoner now. He's got to got to turn the table on the blackmailers. I'd go with that. It's a spider and a fly story that he didn't see coming.
What's screen writing today? The new movies (on Netflix and cable) the dialogue is laden with F Bombs every other line. Where is there higher level screen writing? Tis why I prefer the golden years of movies (1930s to 50s)
For your story, instead of Derek not caring, have it that he takes exception to the attempted manipulation. Yes he likes Skylar, enough, but he's a smart guy so how about he tries to out-manipulate the rival company to catch them red handed or sell them red herring information to destroy the rival company. A bit of Now you see me style you think it's going one way, but then it goes another way, now that's an interesting story, have Derek fight back, covertly. Ha ha that's what he said!
after a while these questions just kinda get repetitive. like this channel is for the "uninitiated" sort of speak. those who have not actually delved into the writing, just simply watching it from afar. which okay, But can we get a header sating the fact.. been getting more into the writing but the advice and "teaching" of it never really goes below surface discussions maybe found in the classroom. what about for the ones who have gone through multiple classrooms? is there a discussion space where the producers get to question the unmade, possibly undisciplined constant writers? a space where people can work together to grow instead of griping, boasting, or lecturing? something a bit more interactive with those that can really change someones life?
1+1? Jeff: So the thing is you should have gone to university to know the basics of math and what I teach my students is that...like...dilemma is powerful. No hard feelings but he just beats around the bush😢
The books may be hard to find. Here's is what Jeff wrote to a commenter previously, "Price wrote two advanced books on dramatic technique, The Analysis of Plot Construction and Dramatic Principle (1908), and The Philosophy of Dramatic Principle and Method"
Jeff kitchen is just throwing out words and is very stingy about giving away informations. He is trying hard only to sell his book. He is full of philosophical words salad. Waste of time indeed.
If you cut out all the unnecessary analogies this would have been an hour long. Like he drones on for like forever about cutting unnecessary things out of your story, and I'm sitting here thinking can you please cut out all the unnecessary examples and analogies, we get it, move on.
We're supposed to take advice from somebody who has never had any success as a screenwriter or playwright? And pay him a ton of money to learn his method for failure? If he gets your money, you deserve to lose it.
@@redbaron8130 I agree. And to bolster your point I would even add that some of the most prolific and highly paid screenwriters in Hollywood have never seen their work make it to screen. However, Kitchen seems to have written nothing other than books on how to write. I am, sincerely, happy to be proven wrong if anybody can provide me a link to his writing samples. Otherwise, this is just akin to a priest charging for marriage counseling.
@@Wheeler1717 Let's examine your flawed logic; 1. You don't define what 'success' is, and you can't, because it's different things to different people - but let's assume you're talking about status (awards, peer praise) and wealth (making millions from his craft) in the industry, not everybody that writes is looking for that. Not everybody (necessarily) wants it to be a career, and not everyone puts "success" and status before process. 2. Even if we define success as being guaranteed by ability, someone in the comments is going to call Jeff a hack, and say his scripts only get made because of who he knows, and Hollywood is immoral and no good movies get made these days. 3. Even if we can agree on which names are a great screenwriters, someone who has written many amazing scripts and been credited for it, his/her advice on how to do it (assuming they can even articulate exactly how and why they do it, which they probably can't) won't necessarily apply to every other writer. And it will be entirely conflicting with another great screenwriter who does it a different way. So you won't be any closer to having "the answer" on how to guarantee your script is a "success". A great screenwriter will just tell you how *they* do it. It might help, it might not. Not to mention the writers that write 5 great scripts and then 2 bad ones, and then people assume the first five were a fluke, because how could anyone write crap after unlocking 'the secret to writing' in the past, right? 4. Just like great sportsmen/women don't necessarily make great coaches, because it's an entirely different skill and mindset, and sometimes utter failures as athletes/players rise to become amazing coaches. 5. It's utterly disingenuous to suggest his method is one "for failure" when you don't know what the "failure rate" is for people who take his course, and even if you did, we can't define whether their "failure" was due to the course material, or inability/lack of effort by the individual. 6. None of the people that write books or teach courses (like Jeff) ever guarantee "success" because it's simply not how life works. All they can offer is advice and tools for the individual to use how they see fit to improve their craft/process/mindset. And it still requires persistence by the individual. And I'd guess that none of these people will guarantee that they know everything, since all of them will tell you to read widely, and analyse what you read, and draw your own conclusions. And I bet Jeff doesn't guarantee that his tools will work perfectly for every writer in one specific way, since each writer has their own unique and specific mental baggage. 7. So to imply that he guarantees "success" from taking his course, is utter bullshit in the first place - and to use that as means to attack his morality/credibility is unfair. 8. "I am, sincerely, happy to be proven wrong" That's funny, because your entire argument seems to rest on the cliche of 'those who can't, teach' - which is the assumption that teaching can't be fulfilling in itself for some people, and that Jeff is teaching purely for the money instead of writing. What if he's written 10 great scripts, but just not interested in having them made into movies? 9. Finally, he's giving away some of his material, essentially for free, on this channel, in good faith, that viewers can experiment with by themselves. If they find it useful in their process, and think Jeff can help them, who are you to imply that they can't "succeed" when they incorporate Jeff's material into their process. 10. Next time you feel compelled to warn others, remember that their ambitions, experience and mindset could be completely different from yours.
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This is what UA-cam should be about to be able to see things that are helpful and this interview give so much information 18 months of a course condensed in 4 hours. Of course there’s things that still have to learn but is very good interview with very good details. Wow thanks
We live in amazing times, what a treat to listen to this incredible discussion. So many gold nuggets. Brain popping. Like taking a 6-month course in 4.5 hours. And just out there streaming on the internet! Thank you Film Courage and Mr. Kitchen for this inspirational video. I'm writing a feature right now and this has completely turned it on its head (this is a good thing). Just lobbed a hand grenade into the story. I am not afraid.
Thank you for posting! Great to hear! Our best to you as you move forward with your feature!
"The power of the film resides in the response of the audience..".. so true. I recall the cinema audience cheering when Christopher Reeve left the Fortress of Solitude and flew towards the camera for the first time, the cinema literally erupting in applause and cheers when Vader saved Luke, picking Palpatine up and casting him into the abyss. Such bottled lighting should stir and inspire all writers,
Still one of the best overall content videos on FC.
This channel teaches me more than school. I’m Thankful for UA-cam University
free is king
Absolutely agree!
Film Courage is gold for any writer striving to create the best stories. Thank you. And thank you Mr J. Kitchen.
Life is so strange. About a week or two ago, I was wondering "Whatever happened to Jeff Kitchen...". Some twenty-five years ago I took a class w/ him. It was a small group of about six of us... . It was one of the best classes I ever took. He is a terrific person; so knowledgeable, inspirational, and articulate. I remember he was into surfing (my screenplay had to do w/ surfing) Anyway, I'm rambling. I'm going to watch the interview. I am so appreciative.
And wich is his books could be the most interesting one ? For an already screenwriiter I mean...
@@nobody_there_Syd Fields has a good book. Also, look at the three-act structure (ref. B. Shaw the playwright); as most screenplays follow this approach. (I expanded more on your question in your YT profile). You should also read a lot of screenplays.
Also, this might be worth looking into. Consider utilizing a literary device known as "Flash Fiction" (micro-stories). It can be a stand-alone piece, or it can serve as a means to an end. It can help with character development, writing your premise, treatment, synopsis, and proposals. Flash Fiction, can even help you with writer's block.
As a modality, your micro-story can more easily morph into a screenplay, short story, novel, or series. For me, to be able to develop one's own sense of "Literary Breadth", has been a game-changer...
@@nobody_there_ Writing a Great Movie: Key Tools for Successful Screenwriting
@@jeffkitchen1549 just ordered it off Amazon, and I can't wait to devour that fucker!
@@jeffkitchen1549 I just ordered it on Amazon!
I have just bought this book and i am on ch. one
but i think its the best book to start screenwriting .
it tells you so much about the craft.
The work he has put into this is amazing .
I am really enjoying reading it .
Thank you mr Kitchen you have done your very best for everyone with this piece of work
i am now listening to your video thank you also for this
best wishes Lynda
22:00 This is such a great point
This was a great interview on the humanities, a necessary component for screen writing
Wow 4 hours this is a whole seminar for free!You guys are awesome!You've done it again!
Thanks once again Film Courage! And Thank you SO MUCH Jeff!!! Your knowledge and wisdom are a beam of light to us all AND your dedication to the craft of storytelling AND of teaching is TRULY inspirational. I feel blessed just to be your (very novice) padawan! Luv 2 u all from Argentina!
Love his true passion for writing, so great to see that's how it should be told and so true!!!!! LOVE IT!!
More to come!
Your channel is a treasure trove of wisdom and unique knowledge. Very grateful.
Thanks Alex, we are doing our best. Glad you are finding value here.
Jeff Kitchen, Robert McKee and Michael Hauge are like the holy trinity of master storytelling teachers.
Sensational interview
B sharp! 😂 Tell me you're not a musician without telling me you're not a musician!
But this was exactly what I needed to hear at this point in my writing. Thanks a million.
I love Jeff. Also, I feel spoiled being able to watch nearly 5 hours of interview. Thank you, Film Courage!
Love your channel. So inspiring with many wonderful interviews with creators. This is what film school should bez
at last! haha stoked to slog through this and return to it when needed, thank you both! (and thank you for the time stamps in the description! it really helps)
Thank you so so very much for this...ironically I can't put into words how beneficial this was. Thank you. Stay Blessed
Cheers Sean!
@@filmcourage you gonna hear from me soon enough. Stay Tuned....im working....
I didn't notice the time stamp before clicking on the video but I am totally up for listening to this guy for 4 and a half hours if you are lol
as good reading a book on the topic. thought provoking.
Thank you for posting this, it
has been informative and interesting. I appreciate it.
God bless you.
Saturday, May 13, 2023
Mastercalss!!! Thank you for this!
This was fantastic.
Thanks
It is like FILM SCHOOL on DEMAND.. my lord .. Thank you SO MUCH FILM COURAGE
Great to see you continue to find value here! And thank you for your ongoing support!
Wow ! That's great I want to take your online course
This is really helpful content👍🏼
I want to repost this video with footage of me watching the entire 4.5 hours of it. That's how good it is. Almost done watching haha
24:30 bookmark
I'm writing a book towards a screenplay and this is my true life story. Ironic!
damn it, give the man at least a glas water...I mean he offers you gold
LOVE 🙏🏿
Love 🙏🏿
Karen, Derrick doesn't see that the worst that could happen is not that she turns him. It's that he's inextricably vulnerable to blackmail because of her. He's become a prisoner now. He's got to got to turn the table on the blackmailers. I'd go with that. It's a spider and a fly story that he didn't see coming.
What is the best book from Jeff Kitchen ?
Anyone ?
@@nobody_there_ Writing a Great Movie: Key Tools for Successful Screenwriting
@@jeffkitchen1549 Got it a couple weeks ago. It is incredible book and I’m not 30 percent done yet. Not rushing it.
Jeff House 👍
What's screen writing today? The new movies (on Netflix and cable) the dialogue is laden with F Bombs every other line. Where is there higher level screen writing? Tis why I prefer the golden years of movies (1930s to 50s)
For your story, instead of Derek not caring, have it that he takes exception to the attempted manipulation. Yes he likes Skylar, enough, but he's a smart guy so how about he tries to out-manipulate the rival company to catch them red handed or sell them red herring information to destroy the rival company. A bit of Now you see me style you think it's going one way, but then it goes another way, now that's an interesting story, have Derek fight back, covertly. Ha ha that's what he said!
RIP ❤
after a while these questions just kinda get repetitive. like this channel is for the "uninitiated" sort of speak. those who have not actually delved into the writing, just simply watching it from afar. which okay, But can we get a header sating the fact.. been getting more into the writing but the advice and "teaching" of it never really goes below surface discussions maybe found in the classroom. what about for the ones who have gone through multiple classrooms? is there a discussion space where the producers get to question the unmade, possibly undisciplined constant writers? a space where people can work together to grow instead of griping, boasting, or lecturing? something a bit more interactive with those that can really change someones life?
1+1?
Jeff: So the thing is you should have gone to university to know the basics of math and what I teach my students is that...like...dilemma is powerful.
No hard feelings but he just beats around the bush😢
Thank you so much
Thanks for watching Angel!
Can anyone find books on price I can't??
The books may be hard to find. Here's is what Jeff wrote to a commenter previously, "Price wrote two advanced books on dramatic technique, The Analysis of Plot Construction and Dramatic Principle (1908), and The Philosophy of Dramatic Principle and Method"
I've never seen one of these videos that wasn't at least 15 times longer than it needed to be.
It's about time and package
He is basically talking about himself all the time,anyone notice that?
Yes
4 hous??? Wow okay... Thanks guys :')
prep school. yep.
I’m a screenwriting genius. By style and dialogue, not so much by typical structure. Every artist is genius in unique ways, but they have to claim it.
I have been writing a tv series comedy-drama how can I show this to producers or companies when I finish?!
OMG you guys have no idea how to write a screenplay.
but what about you ?🤔
Jeff kitchen is just throwing out words and is very stingy about giving away informations.
He is trying hard only to sell his book.
He is full of philosophical words salad.
Waste of time indeed.
Selfish the lot of them
. . . OR you are just not sharp enough to get it.
1 hour and 15 minutes in and all this guy keeps saying is that screen writing is hard.
hard is to write good 1% script
If you cut out all the unnecessary analogies this would have been an hour long. Like he drones on for like forever about cutting unnecessary things out of your story, and I'm sitting here thinking can you please cut out all the unnecessary examples and analogies, we get it, move on.
We're supposed to take advice from somebody who has never had any success as a screenwriter or playwright? And pay him a ton of money to learn his method for failure? If he gets your money, you deserve to lose it.
What on Earth are you blabbing about?
Define success as a screenwriter? Many of these guys are really good and have done a ton of stuff, they just aren’t credited.
@Nick Bravo reminds me of that one HS 10yr reunion, where the Football star really hasn't grown up yet and still acts like a child🤣🤣
@@redbaron8130 I agree. And to bolster your point I would even add that some of the most prolific and highly paid screenwriters in Hollywood have never seen their work make it to screen. However, Kitchen seems to have written nothing other than books on how to write. I am, sincerely, happy to be proven wrong if anybody can provide me a link to his writing samples. Otherwise, this is just akin to a priest charging for marriage counseling.
@@Wheeler1717 Let's examine your flawed logic;
1. You don't define what 'success' is, and you can't, because it's different things to different people - but let's assume you're talking about status (awards, peer praise) and wealth (making millions from his craft) in the industry, not everybody that writes is looking for that. Not everybody (necessarily) wants it to be a career, and not everyone puts "success" and status before process.
2. Even if we define success as being guaranteed by ability, someone in the comments is going to call Jeff a hack, and say his scripts only get made because of who he knows, and Hollywood is immoral and no good movies get made these days.
3. Even if we can agree on which names are a great screenwriters, someone who has written many amazing scripts and been credited for it, his/her advice on how to do it (assuming they can even articulate exactly how and why they do it, which they probably can't) won't necessarily apply to every other writer. And it will be entirely conflicting with another great screenwriter who does it a different way. So you won't be any closer to having "the answer" on how to guarantee your script is a "success". A great screenwriter will just tell you how *they* do it. It might help, it might not.
Not to mention the writers that write 5 great scripts and then 2 bad ones, and then people assume the first five were a fluke, because how could anyone write crap after unlocking 'the secret to writing' in the past, right?
4. Just like great sportsmen/women don't necessarily make great coaches, because it's an entirely different skill and mindset, and sometimes utter failures as athletes/players rise to become amazing coaches.
5. It's utterly disingenuous to suggest his method is one "for failure" when you don't know what the "failure rate" is for people who take his course, and even if you did, we can't define whether their "failure" was due to the course material, or inability/lack of effort by the individual.
6. None of the people that write books or teach courses (like Jeff) ever guarantee "success" because it's simply not how life works. All they can offer is advice and tools for the individual to use how they see fit to improve their craft/process/mindset. And it still requires persistence by the individual. And I'd guess that none of these people will guarantee that they know everything, since all of them will tell you to read widely, and analyse what you read, and draw your own conclusions. And I bet Jeff doesn't guarantee that his tools will work perfectly for every writer in one specific way, since each writer has their own unique and specific mental baggage.
7. So to imply that he guarantees "success" from taking his course, is utter bullshit in the first place - and to use that as means to attack his morality/credibility is unfair.
8. "I am, sincerely, happy to be proven wrong"
That's funny, because your entire argument seems to rest on the cliche of 'those who can't, teach' - which is the assumption that teaching can't be fulfilling in itself for some people, and that Jeff is teaching purely for the money instead of writing. What if he's written 10 great scripts, but just not interested in having them made into movies?
9. Finally, he's giving away some of his material, essentially for free, on this channel, in good faith, that viewers can experiment with by themselves. If they find it useful in their process, and think Jeff can help them, who are you to imply that they can't "succeed" when they incorporate Jeff's material into their process.
10. Next time you feel compelled to warn others, remember that their ambitions, experience and mindset could be completely different from yours.
thank you so much