Nice machine I've found that when changing spiral cutters if you paint the old edge with finger nail polish before starting to make cutter changes it's then easy to keep track of what cutters have been changed and much they have been moved visually at a glance and how many unused edges remain. Ray
Congratulations, you've waited a long time for this machine to arrive. From the sound of it the saved labour costs alone will make it pay for itself over the next few years. I hope you have decades of fun working with it and look forward to seeing the first piece you make using it.
YAYY!!! CONGRATULATIONS FELLAS!! SO HAPPY FOR YOU GUYS!! CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THIS BABY CRANKED UP AND GOING! WOW! JUST IMAGINE ALL THE FABULOUS DESIGNS THAT IS GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS MACHINE! YES BABY! YESS!!
I am a bit surprised that one of the first things your dad omitted was the power requirements for that setup. I was an electrician and 400 amps is quite the installation. All in all best of luck and hope it works a long time.
Great machine guys can’t wait to pop in and see it, I think you should look into a sawdust briquette compression machine. Turns sawdust into wood briquette for heating.
That cutter head, wow. Thing I really like is the return for the next pass. Having used a 1320 wide sander on heavy doors, the ability to just reverse back through, it is a game changer. One question is "Do you have a system for turning the job over other than manual bunch of guys?"
I remember when I used to work for a printing company in Hebron Kentucky, Zumbeil packaging. A new Fisher Krekie web printing press was being installed. For those of you not familiar with how big some printing presses are, one section of the press was 3 stories high! The length of the press, from where the rolls of paper were loaded to the end where the robot arm took off the finished product, was probably 45 to 55 yards ( possibly longer!! It's been a while since I've worked there). The reason for me bringing this up is that I just remembered how long it took to install, then how long it took for the technicians to get all the systems up and running. We had to be there for the majority of the process to be trained on all the operating systems. Oh, and by the way, the rolls of paper were as big as a Honda Fit/ Toyota Prius!!! The press could hold two rolls at one time.
“This machine cost more than my first house.” That gorgeous piece of machinery cost almost 10X what we paid for our first home.😂 Congrats guys!🎉 It’s a great investment in the future of Black Forest Wood Co.
Great video!!! Thanks for sharing the upgrades to shop machinery and efficiency. Looking forward to seeing lots of interesting projects using the new technology.
The riggers that unloaded your machine just unloaded a new machine for me a few months back... crazy cool machines and made it a breeze... sweet sander
Christmas already!?!? Great to see you making this investment. This will allow a much better through put for everything you make. Will be looking forward to seeing you using this machine. Wishing you the best for the future.
Good morning 🌅, Black Forest , very nice machine, congratulations 🥳 on your purchase, 😂, great idea that you don’t have to take the job off the machine and it comes back through, to make the next pass , electric bill is for a month 😮 😂, ??? , men and their toys 🧸 😂, stay safe, From France,
Crazy cool machine... absolute dream to plane and sand in one go with auto feed back... respect that you invested in the longer future of your shop! I paid less for a big house and our land :D
SCM to my mind makes the most elite woodworking machines on the planet. And that is one of their very best - along with the SIx, S7, and F7 L'Invincibile machines. Congratulations on an epic addition to the shop.
Wow! But when you work with big slabs like that it’s what you need. We have just a felder planer with those square cutters. It’s a fraction of what’s in that but even those takes me about 45 minutes to change them.
Moving the old one out with a lift… gets it half way out the door and then says “where we going with this?!?!” Hahaha every shop ever said that haha love it 👍🤘
On your upstairs area you have a drop cloth wall with a clear center. May I ask where you sourced that from? I think adding one in my garage shop may bring blessings to my marriage 😂
nearly 400k actual costs, then adding in labor, downtime etc, that probably ran it up towards a half mill, what is the time estimate until it pays for itself? my personal guess is as little as a year or two if business is booming, but no more than 5 years regardless
What's the reason behind the bottle neck above the planer dust port? Couldn't find a blast gate? It's almost kind of better having the sander heads run to a separate duat system because that dust just kills filters!!
that's an awesome piece of equipment..curious though...if needed, can you disable the cutting head and just run the 3 sanding heads, or the other way? not sure if that would ever be a need????
But did you ceramic coat the outside of the machine with your black forest ceramic coating to protect it from shop debris and make it easier to dust off?
I assume your electrician already turned on the breaker and not an idiot. But never stand in front of any breaker panel when turning on a breaker. With that said. Awesome that you got the new machine. So happy for you
(sry for bad english, no english nativ) u said u can sell the collected wooddust. what usage can this have if its laced with epoxy-dust? a question i asked myselfe for a longer time. saw many "wood slap workers" here on YT and always ask myselfe: "what do they do with all that dust? because of the epoxy dust inside i would limit the selling options"
Glad you guys are happy, but thats a bit overkill for basically the same machine, but with a planner..a planner doesn't flatten things. It only makes them coplaner..you still have to flatten on the CNC
We needed a new sander regardless, ours was 25 years old and we wanted to invest in something that would speed up production and last a long time, which this machine does. It's definitely not cheap, but to us it's worth it
@PA_3 no what? Spread some knowledge if you know what you're talking about.. as someome who has worked as a woodworker for 15+yrs i know exactly what im talking about..how about you enlighten me on what you know?
@@freddyramirez1820 No it's not overkill for the scale of what they do. No it's not the same machine. No you can't "only" make things coplanar with a planer - there are several ways to flatten things with a planer (shimming for instance). I'm glad you have enjoyed woodworking for so long keep it up. It's a lifelong journey of learning...
@PA_3 so your going to flatten a big slab with shims on the bottom?...lets not make it seem like its anything more than a wide belt sander with a planner head to take off more material then with just the sander alone..you still need to start with a already flat surface as a reference point..Its also definilty over kill when you spend that much for electrical..when its just again, a wide belt sander...with a planner head...the feature i did like was that the peice can go back and forth thru the machine, so you dont have to carry it more than needed.. but its definitely overkill in investment imo..the electrical alone was insane, and honestly sounded like they werent well informed and had to get the electrical run because they already had bought the machine..cant go back at that point...waaaaay too much for a widebelt sander, with planner head
When you consider that your previous machine was still working after 25 years, broken down on a 25 year basis, 16000 per year, the cost of the machine is a good idea investment.
You got the new machine before GTA 6!
This actually made me laugh, thank you!
So Happy to see father and son can work together and enjoy.
Nice machine I've found that when changing spiral cutters if you paint the old edge with finger nail polish before starting to make cutter changes it's then easy to keep track of what cutters have been changed and much they have been moved visually at a glance and how many unused edges remain. Ray
"Think smart, work lazy"? My saying, "I'm intrinsically lazy and I work very hard at it"
A father and son so proud and happy like two kids in a candy store ❤ so good to see! ❤
Thanks so much! We're glad you enjoyed!!
That is a pretty impressive machinery but also all the upgrades you guys have made to run the machine. Hats off to you!
Congratulations, you've waited a long time for this machine to arrive. From the sound of it the saved labour costs alone will make it pay for itself over the next few years. I hope you have decades of fun working with it and look forward to seeing the first piece you make using it.
Congrats on the upgrade. A perfect example of "buy once, cry once"!!!
YAYY!!! CONGRATULATIONS FELLAS!! SO HAPPY FOR YOU GUYS!! CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THIS BABY CRANKED UP AND GOING! WOW! JUST IMAGINE ALL THE FABULOUS DESIGNS THAT IS GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS MACHINE! YES BABY! YESS!!
Thank you Dottie, we're so excited!! 😁
I love seeing the delivery and installation stuff. You always see these giant machines in shops and I wonder how they got there haha.
Haha, well now you've seen it!
Okay - now I believe you got a bigger planer/sander. Looking forward to seeing new tables/furniture going through the machine. Stay safe.
Haha thank you for finally believing us!
I am a bit surprised that one of the first things your dad omitted was the power requirements for that setup. I was an electrician and 400 amps is quite the installation. All in all best of luck and hope it works a long time.
I am extremely happy that your company is doing well enough to invest in a machine like this. It is just amazing!
You deserve it.
The excelencia is your limit.
Future is up to you.
Congratulation.
Thanks so much!
Great machine guys can’t wait to pop in and see it, I think you should look into a sawdust briquette compression machine. Turns sawdust into wood briquette for heating.
Looks like an awesome piece of machinery. Hope to get a look while at the course there tomorrow
Nice piece of equipment! Efficiency is the name of the game, and that will certainly help. Congrats!
Agreed! Thanks so much
That cutter head, wow. Thing I really like is the return for the next pass. Having used a 1320 wide sander on heavy doors, the ability to just reverse back through, it is a game changer. One question is "Do you have a system for turning the job over other than manual bunch of guys?"
The "Big Magic Box" ~ all the magic happens inside!
Wow very impressive can’t wait to see it in person.
if you nick a corner on those4 sided cutters it ruins two sides. found that out on my "little" 16" scorpion
I remember when I used to work for a printing company in Hebron Kentucky, Zumbeil packaging. A new Fisher Krekie web printing press was being installed. For those of you not familiar with how big some printing presses are, one section of the press was 3 stories high! The length of the press, from where the rolls of paper were loaded to the end where the robot arm took off the finished product, was probably 45 to 55 yards ( possibly longer!! It's been a while since I've worked there).
The reason for me bringing this up is that I just remembered how long it took to install, then how long it took for the technicians to get all the systems up and running.
We had to be there for the majority of the process to be trained on all the operating systems.
Oh, and by the way, the rolls of paper were as big as a Honda Fit/ Toyota Prius!!! The press could hold two rolls at one time.
“This machine cost more than my first house.” That gorgeous piece of machinery cost almost 10X what we paid for our first home.😂 Congrats guys!🎉 It’s a great investment in the future of Black Forest Wood Co.
Hahaha, I think that's about the same for Brad
And agreed! Thanks so much!
Great video!!! Thanks for sharing the upgrades to shop machinery and efficiency. Looking forward to seeing lots of interesting projects using the new technology.
Thanks John, we can't wait to show it off in future videos!
That's quite a massive investment ! I like how you guys go BIG !
Thanks Rickie, we're hoping to have this machine for a very, very long time!
The riggers that unloaded your machine just unloaded a new machine for me a few months back... crazy cool machines and made it a breeze... sweet sander
oh wow that's a funny coincidence! Thanks so much!
Christmas already!?!? Great to see you making this investment. This will allow a much better through put for everything you make. Will be looking forward to seeing you using this machine. Wishing you the best for the future.
Thank you so much Doug!
Wow you guys this is an amazing machine! I would sure love to play with it myself! This will be a game changer for your business!
Great video. It's interesting to see how this new sander is put together and calibrated. I'm sure it will be a great addition to Black Forest Wood Co.
It surely will be! Thanks so much!!
Wow that’s a hell of a machine can’t wait to see you guys run more stuff through it. Congratulations on your new investment
Good morning 🌅, Black Forest , very nice machine, congratulations 🥳 on your purchase, 😂, great idea that you don’t have to take the job off the machine and it comes back through, to make the next pass , electric bill is for a month 😮 😂, ??? , men and their toys 🧸 😂, stay safe, From France,
That is amazing well done guys, can't wait to see the machine produce one of your amazing tables
What a beast of a system !
Charlie's new walking treadmill is looking nice
That machine is incredible thanks for sharing.
Congrats, guys! So exciting!!!!
Very, very exciting for us!
This is a fantastic machine and video. Looking forward to seeing more amazing art!
Thank you so much William!
Crazy cool machine... absolute dream to plane and sand in one go with auto feed back... respect that you invested in the longer future of your shop! I paid less for a big house and our land :D
Sweeet new machine🌲🌲🌲
SCM to my mind makes the most elite woodworking machines on the planet. And that is one of their very best - along with the SIx, S7, and F7 L'Invincibile machines. Congratulations on an epic addition to the shop.
Thank you so much!
scm is great but martin, hofmann, pannhas and utis blow them out of the water
@@simondupay8378 agree to disagree.
This thing makes our powermatic 42" look like a toy, grats guys!!! bet thats gonna save so much time and effort
Haha it does, it really will!
Nice machine, can’t wait for you to put it to work
Us either!
That’s a fantastic investment in the businesses future!
Thanks Karen, we think so too of course!
That's a really cool machine, Congratulations 👌👍👏
Thanks so much Steve!
WOW, what a toy..amazing!! What about Charlie, what does he think🐾🐾🐾
Thanks Josie!
Charlie loves it of course!
Amazing sander. ❤thanks for sharing
Thank you for watching Maddie
Congratulations!!!
Thank you Mike!
AL the man running the power 🔥🔥🔥
Congratulations. Very impressive.
Thanks so much!
How does it work in terms of traditional steps of jointing then flattening ?!? Amazing machine!
I have no need for such a machine. WHY DO I WANT ONE SO BAD? Congratulations on your upgrade, gentlemen. May you enjoy it for many years!
Almost like Christmas morning! Congratulation
Maybe better than Christmas morning!
Wow! But when you work with big slabs like that it’s what you need. We have just a felder planer with those square cutters. It’s a fraction of what’s in that but even those takes me about 45 minutes to change them.
all the best to guys with new machine 💐👍
That was cool. Congrats guys!
Thanks so much Terry!
Brilliant job lads, superb investment.
👍🇬🇧
Thanks so much Andrew
Congratulations, Best of luck
I hope it pays off. Whenever I've invested in machinery (nothing to that level though) it's always opened up new opportunities and paid for itself
Nice..
Just now I visit your website and also YT.
Moving the old one out with a lift… gets it half way out the door and then says “where we going with this?!?!” Hahaha every shop ever said that haha love it 👍🤘
🤣
Congrats! I'm looking forward to picking up an SD10 hopefully soon!
Congrats! Here's to the next 25 years of reliable slab flattening.
Thank you Dave!
On your upstairs area you have a drop cloth wall with a clear center. May I ask where you sourced that from? I think adding one in my garage shop may bring blessings to my marriage 😂
Sweet, now you get to churn out some resin tables.
That cutter head is MASSIVE, the largest I've seen man, just replacing the cutters would break me lol..get a 2nd mortgage to buy them...
nearly 400k actual costs, then adding in labor, downtime etc, that probably ran it up towards a half mill, what is the time estimate until it pays for itself? my personal guess is as little as a year or two if business is booming, but no more than 5 years regardless
ROI seldom takes into consideration, "Damn, this is way easier!". Laziness is a virtue; work hard at it as it is a reward in and of itself.
What's the reason behind the bottle neck above the planer dust port?
Couldn't find a blast gate?
It's almost kind of better having the sander heads run to a separate duat system because that dust just kills filters!!
Geez that's a huge investment.
It is, but it should be worth it!
that's an awesome piece of equipment..curious though...if needed, can you disable the cutting head and just run the 3 sanding heads, or the other way? not sure if that would ever be a need????
Blacktail is on his way !! 😊
Congratulations 🥂
Worthy investment👌
Agreed!
But did you ceramic coat the outside of the machine with your black forest ceramic coating to protect it from shop debris and make it easier to dust off?
that ebony slab is completely insane. probably costs as much as the machine!
Congratulations on your new upgrade from N.S.
How much per hour will you charge to outside customers ?
what is the sanding head config (steel contact, rubber contact, platen?) and HP per heard
Beautiful sander, seems like it might be to narrow for you.
Good news is with the prices you charge you will have it paid for in 6 months.👍
That price hurt me all the way in Tennessee!
Amazing!
Thank you, we're very excited about it!
That is a thing of beauty! What width?
Yea… well I have a 13” planer and 5” sander so take that!
Lol its beautiful
Does that replace two machines or still have your cnc
I assume your electrician already turned on the breaker and not an idiot. But never stand in front of any breaker panel when turning on a breaker. With that said. Awesome that you got the new machine. So happy for you
Do you use the sawdust to heat the building in the winters ?
I am still surprised there is such a huge demand for slabs given the price point etc.
Phenomenal!
(sry for bad english, no english nativ) u said u can sell the collected wooddust. what usage can this have if its laced with epoxy-dust? a question i asked myselfe for a longer time. saw many "wood slap workers" here on YT and always ask myselfe: "what do they do with all that dust? because of the epoxy dust inside i would limit the selling options"
How often will the head need to be serviced?
400k doesn’t even seem all that bad! You’ll make it all back in the labor saved
Agreed! It hurts at first but it will be worth it!
Darn should have asked me if I wanted it!
Haha next time
Glad you guys are happy, but thats a bit overkill for basically the same machine, but with a planner..a planner doesn't flatten things. It only makes them coplaner..you still have to flatten on the CNC
We needed a new sander regardless, ours was 25 years old and we wanted to invest in something that would speed up production and last a long time, which this machine does. It's definitely not cheap, but to us it's worth it
Spoken like someone who has no idea what they're talking about. Honestly man no. Just no.
@PA_3 no what? Spread some knowledge if you know what you're talking about.. as someome who has worked as a woodworker for 15+yrs i know exactly what im talking about..how about you enlighten me on what you know?
@@freddyramirez1820 No it's not overkill for the scale of what they do. No it's not the same machine. No you can't "only" make things coplanar with a planer - there are several ways to flatten things with a planer (shimming for instance). I'm glad you have enjoyed woodworking for so long keep it up. It's a lifelong journey of learning...
@PA_3 so your going to flatten a big slab with shims on the bottom?...lets not make it seem like its anything more than a wide belt sander with a planner head to take off more material then with just the sander alone..you still need to start with a already flat surface as a reference point..Its also definilty over kill when you spend that much for electrical..when its just again, a wide belt sander...with a planner head...the feature i did like was that the peice can go back and forth thru the machine, so you dont have to carry it more than needed.. but its definitely overkill in investment imo..the electrical alone was insane, and honestly sounded like they werent well informed and had to get the electrical run because they already had bought the machine..cant go back at that point...waaaaay too much for a widebelt sander, with planner head
Your math at 19 minutes doens't include the $30k of the compressed air system. Real total is $418k of the given figures.
What kind of cnc machine is that being moved in the beginning(2:33)?
An Avid CNC
Awesome!!!!
When you consider that your previous machine was still working after 25 years, broken down on a 25 year basis, 16000 per year, the cost of the machine is a good idea investment.
Exactly!
I used to work in a cabinet shop that had a Stiles with a rotating sander head 😂 probably 5-600k machine
Yeaaah new toy intha house
That return feature is worth the 400k. Having a slab fall on someone is a huge safety risk.
Agreed! And not even considering safety risks, the time it saves alone is worth it!
I’m also self dumping, sometimes unexpectedly
🤣
awesome
So what happens to the first person who scratches it?
Wait…. All that doesn’t run off wind turbines ?