Do you want to be a Champion or rich?
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Sonnen talks MMA Champions on this episode of Beyond the Fight
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Hey brother you are really my Favoritest fighter ever, I know I go hard sometimes but I hope you and your YOUR FAMILY HAS A BLESSED CHRISTMAS WITH LOVE YOU BROTHER.
I don't want to be a champion.
I don't want to be rich.
I want to be Chael Sonnen, so I can be both at the same time.
That’s beautiful
@@ChaelSonnenOfficial Like that Brazilian interviewer at the press conference? 🤣
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Frank's the man. I love how he smoked Tito and than Tito runs with the belt when Frank left.
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Hi Chael... Before I answer your question I like to thank you for indirectly addressing this video to me... I commented on your video asking if your buddy Ryan is still interested in getting into MMA management. Of which I'm clearly interested in.
For me personally I would approach the five business from the Purse fund. I actually have good qualities to approach it with the marketing aspect of the fight game. But I believe in letting my skills do the talking. I'm of the mentality of being active and staying as healthy as possible to fight as much as possible. Of course there's a lot of factors that setback fighters to compete a lot in a calendar year but being that's my focus and not trying to just want to be famous and Rich. The Frank shamrock and kimbo slice example that you gave is completely valid but the reality is that shamrock had way more fighting experience then kimbo. Climbing my way through the ranks with impressive victories and activity is the approach I'm going into 2023. I'm not homeless but me my wife and two beautiful children are not in good spot financially due to unfortunate circumstances but with the opportunity of getting an invitation to prove myself at DWCS by summer 2023, I can my family's life forever and that to me would be the ultimate achievement more valuable to me than being famous.
I'm a competitor first and foremost and have been since I was a child. I have been an athlete my whole life and 31 years old in the prime of my youth, my skills are ready to be tested against the world's best. I plan on having two to three fights between January and March and after I knock them all out I have no doubt that I would earned my shot to an opportunity of a lifetime at DWCS.
Who?
@@KemzEl3aly yes Mr.Owl?
Thank you for this quick talk. I really needed this
Nate Diaz is more successful and legendary than 98% of all champions ever in MMA.
Put down the pipe
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I stopped watching Diaz after the BMF fight
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hed get beat up by them all but yes you are right he made more money lots more money than many champs
And he deserved it cause he brought in money. Champ or not if you dont bring in money you certainly dont deserve much money
HAVENT watched the full video yet but i LOVE this topic of convo. its one i have woth friends alo and also the debate between Talent/Accomplishment. keep it up UNC
I would say it's the debate between talent/entertainment is better to have. You don't need to have the extraordinary talent if you can put eyes on you. We all knew Paddy never have amazing talent. But it is something about him. to the point we are talking about it 2 weeks afterwards.
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Na you’re talking about it. Don’t put us in that boat with you
Obviously I want to be a Rich 🏆 Champ like Uncle Chael!
In boxing basically the only way to make money is to get a belt or have a really good promoter
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Yeah thats also cause theres a million belts in boxing so if you aint good enough to have even one of them people think you suck lol
This was actually a topic in Harvard Business Review. Excpet they called it do you want to be rich or do you want to be king.
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We (my friends and I, successful business owners) often say “I’d rather be rich than right”
@@codycast Fair enough. But one must also consider the ramifications if you're wrong. Not saying you have to care if it doesn't effect you. But one of the reasons I left the game is I realized all the things that came with significant wealth I didn't care about.
Now I live a simple life in Alaska, never been happier.
Now don't get me wrong... I will still take a break at the Shangri La every now and then ;)
@@_CoachW awesome man 👍🏼
Ufc is a show not a sport … they are prize fighters if it was olympics I would say champion but as a fighter I want money
Its both. Thats the beauty of it. Some might want money, some might want championship.
They’re professional athletes not actors.
@@DukeMundi Pro wrestlers are professional athletes too
That's on everything, you are smart
@@Poopopotamusgaming nah it's not both. It's money, period. This is a business
Paulo wants a 1 fight deal, UFC wants a 6 fight deal. From what I understand there were going to offer him a pretty good contract for those 6.
He turned it down because he doesn't want to end up in the same situation 5 fights from now where his contract is severely undervalued.
I think what he doesn't understand is;
1. he only fights once a year, that's not active enough, even if his fights are good
2. fighter ability diminishes over time and by the time he's 35-37 his contract is more likely to be overvalued not undervalued
3. What Chael pointed out, UFC isn't generally in the business of one off fights, especially with guys who just burned them.
4. Lot of fans are confused about fight making in UFC. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but a lot of fights get made and announced before anything is signed
At the end of the day, getting offered 70/70 to fight one of the best MWs in the world is laughable. 250/250 is much better, but I think UFC trying to tie him up for 6 fights is also laughable. They should have agreed at 3.
I hear every bit of your argument but what I don't hear is the other side that the corporations just being ready because during this time of inflation every single corporation has record profits which means record greed cause it's not possible to have both, Corporations grieves what's causing inflation not wages
Give me the money, and I can have a "trophy shop" make me a custom belt that I design myself. Easy choice. We all learned how much the belt is really worth when Charles Olivera was stripped for 1/2 a pound. And now a Russian guy that was given "vitamins" since he was a kid.
Not to mention all the guy can do is lay on top of guys.
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@@nikhayes3396 yeah, he didn't even knock Charels down from his feet or anything. Just laid on him. Pitiful.
Rich is better if I have to choose.
If you're really good you can always do both
Tough to become champ without also becoming "rich". That being said most people would take either one
yet to this day, not a single champ will make the money Conor makes for a fight without the belt on the line.
@@colecampbell1906 exception and you know it.
@@Sal3600 not exactly, he's not the first guy to make more money even without a title. It's based on sales, not ranking.
@@shadow_realm47 there is, but he's not the first and definitely won't be the last to make more money than the champs. They don't base your money on your ranking, they only look at how many seats you're filling up.
You could be the co-main and make more money than the champ in the main card if over half the arena is wearing your merch and chanting your name when you fight.
Not saying the champs don't make solid money, but my point is just that it doesn't matter in their eyes and isn't what motivates them to pay you more. Drawing attention does.
It is smarter to take from the purse fund because it is in the promotions best interest to market the fights and fighters that will draw the biggest cache of eyeballs, resulting in a bigger bump to the fighters purse. Win-Win, unless the fighter is a dud, then no amount of marketing could turn him into a stud
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I can make you rich and also become a champ..
Who is more likely to be remembered in 25 to 50 years from now…. Khabib or McGregor? My guess… Conor. Ali is the name ppl will go to when and who’s the greatest boxer of all time. So go for the money and you will be remembered as the best…. Possibly!
The message to Paulo Costa is quite clear. The fact the he will earn less for this fight than any fight a hasbeen like Masvidal does... That doesn't sit well with Costa and it shouldn't, because he is worth now (wich is what matters: Now) ten times more. Are you talking about respecting contracts. You? Paulo Costa won't be without (good) means of income if they (he and the UFC) no longer work together.
Yes.
If u read the "Bad Guy Inc" sign in the back vertically it spells "Big Aun Dyc" and i think that really says a lot.
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Dafuq
I love chael so much 😂 just a good ol merican boy
Bro come on
Money or Belt?
Obviously the answer is both…but it’s important you get the order right. You’d better get that belt early, because once you get the belt, then another belt, you go get that money before you start to lose those straps, because only while you’re in that window of being the “beat in the world” only then are you allowed go box Mayweather….or Fury.
First you get the belt, then you get the money.
Both!😊
I’m sure if you asked anyone on the roster if they want a single title fight for $10 million that they knew they would lose, or $500k and a title win, they would take the $10 million fight.
Of course they would the curious part is how close does it have to be to consider the title?
10m vs 500k is an easy choice, at least for vast majority of us (some im sure still taking the title out of naivety)
But what about 8m vs 2m? What about 2 m vs 1 m? How about 1.5 vs 1?
Eventually most people will take the title fight over higher paying non title fight if its close enough
@@Rowsy91 That is true. Wish old Chael could put out a poll, to ask fighters whether they would take a title fight for:
1) $10 million (loss no rematch);
2) $3.5 million (win, no defense); or
3) $500k (win, one defense with ppv clause triggered but lose defense).
I always thought the belt would bring more money 💰. With PPV points. But honestly, I believe that all fighters have dreams of being champion so I guess I'd choose to be a champion 🏆 .
If you become champ you can become rich so that makes sense
An even better example is...do you want to be Jake Paul, KSI...entertain fighting money fights crowd?! Or do you want to be like Aljo Sterling? A champion?
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Jake paul aint making much money on his fights though lol
Wouldnt be surprised if he lost money for the Anderson Silva fight. The way he was talking about it sounded like he did
Aljo might make around the same amount or more
Champion
I'd rather be GSP (remember you're giving me the option) The Goat and all the dough.
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Paulo Costa- and I took that personally.
Why would u take it personally? Ur a coach potatoe
both
Both
It's a TV show with fights as a plot device. Make your money, save your brain cells, and start a podcast. 👍
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I can make you rich and also become a champ..
One of the most fundamental primo of economics is that value is subjective.
The sport is referred to as "prizefighting" and the prize isn't a world title, it's a fat check. Lesnar once said, "I don't know where my UFC titles are, but I know the number in my bank account." You could have dozens of championships but if no one is watching, does it really matter? The reason anyone is willing to risk getting bludgeoned is to secure their future. You can't use the belt to pay the bills.
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Uncle Chael is both. But only he can pull that off…
No, to your first question. That is all, thank you Lord Chael for another contribution to the MMA World (your kingdom) 🤴🦍⚡🙏
The Money
The problem with Chael's argument is the the UFC is still in the guise of a sport. So the champion gets promoted regardless of how much of a media darling he is or isn't. And the problem with being a media fighter is that the more you lose the less you're worth. So anyone with any sense should strive to be a champion. Success=cash in mma and that's just the cold hard fact.
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Bro u won a prize for your amazing insight. Claim that bud
rumour has it Henry Cejudo cried watching this as reality set in
Who is this video for?
Finally asking the real question's Chael. It's true the UFC is invaded by a bunch of money seekers instead of who is the real badass in the room they would rather say it behind a keyboard an promo manager.
Ay it’s beardface… sup bro
In youth 27 and under - definitely the belt. Champion!!!
In old age 28 and up - definitely Money 💴. All about the Benjamins
That’s why Jon Jones is the GOAT !!!
Rich. Live well. Nobody is going to remember you in 100 years.
Babe Ruth has entered the chat
@@adventuregames424 He has not been gone 100 years yet.
@@stevelibby6852 yeah, you are right. He may become forgotten in the next 20 years or so.
Rich bro. This is a popularity contest
Paulo Costa, please stand up.
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分析的清晰👍👏……
Perfect example is Leon Edwards vs Jorge Masvidal...I know Jorge is all about getting paid but I bet he would give it all up to wear that strap...you can quickly spend the money - nobody can ever take the fact you were champion away from you.
The state of judging has lessened the champion moniker so I'd rather make the money!
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What an offer. Okay great. But what is the fine print? there is always a darkside to the deal.
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🍀 all day
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Why not both? 🇮🇪👑👑. Because everyone isn't great enough to do both
yes
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Keeping the context of living life it’s clearly being rich
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Frank Shamrock is not in the HALL OF FAME?!?! Wait wtf...
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Dana and Frank didn't get along
70/70 isn't fine for a top 5 in a premiere weight class who as you say could be favourite against the champ...
I would definitely take the belt. More fame and I could get rich by winning a lot.
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There is a lot of hype nowdays comparison to king of the cage and ufc13, I chose shamrock less hype, I'm old fashion at 28
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It's no good being the champ,
if you wonder how you're going to eat / feed your family.
A sense of pride won't feed you.
In the modern world, particularly, you want the fame / money. 😎👊
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Except no champion is struging to feed their familiy thryre doing just fine
Rich
Rich is better. As champion you may be able to make more money. But unless you’re one of the greatest ever, you’ll be largely forgotten in a decade. Take the money.
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I don't wanna be rich, I just want more than 18% split of total yearly earnings be bumped to 30% for the roaster. Not even calling for half like most sports
This is def about COSTA
Forget the money, I rather be the best.
Paddy and Conor got Khabib Khasuals on suicide watch
money
I wanna be Chael P. Sonnen.
I get what you're saying boss but what if you're champion for only one night and then you go on to lose your rematch so you get 1 good possible 7 figure payday to entire fight career that's it and you're fighting it's not even 7 figures that's just because you're paid for view points and the championship money and everything that comes with it but do you see what I'm saying what if you're only the best in the world for 1 night
Paulo's doing this all wrong I do agree with you on that aspect he should have went fought then negotiated his contract I don't know what this dumb s*** He's doing
in the entertainment world.....whats the difference.......if im in a sacred temple sacred battle then i want to be champ champ
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Chael should get a roid website to sponsor the show
chael I wanna be happy
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Which would you want riches or becoming a champion..
Was Kimbo rich and famous or just famous? I'd rather be rich without the fame.
I guess I'll have to be rich because I'll never be as undefeated or undisputed as Chael.
Rich!
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Costa he looking at u.
Zoolander got the strap?!
Paulo doesn't care Chael
Chuck liddell ha peleado x 5 $ ...
Someone show Paulo
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They say karate means empty hands. So than it’s perfect for the poor man.
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Neither. I want a time machine so I can just duck and have my nose not broken by a man’s shin in front of an audience that included my grandmama.
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Rich so I can make myself a championship
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Riches or becoming a champion?
Champions live forever in history. Popularity fades.
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I'd rather be a champion.
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I want to be rich super rich . I'll buy a replica title belt and have both
Why the hell wouldnt frank shamrock be in the hall of fame?
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Not a foodishiary!!!
i would rather boast skills over money anyday of the week.
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Champion and then rich like conor, then lose my mind nd become too comfortable busy nd lazy to fight at a championship level and get my as whipped nd become a twitter warrior
but marketing all the way bro
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Chael, what are you thinking my friend? You need to add gas to this show and it will evolve into something far better so I don't know what your thinking like are you thinking something else, or some behind the scenes reasons or what? I know you got the platform, you got the connections, and I don't see the guests not wanting to come on your show so what in god's name is the problem cuz this show needs to evolve it could rival Joe rogan's
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I miss Kimbo....
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I’d rather be rich and the peoples champ
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Which would you want riches or becoming a champion..
Almost everybody would choose money over a belt unless they're stupid lol. Can't pay rent with a belt, can't buy a new car with it either or fix the one you have. At the end of the day, it's a job and that's the main motivation behind people.
Though you will find a bunch of people who will never have that choice and pretend they'd go the noble route....
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I can make you rich and also become a champ..
I would hope to think that anyone listening to u for the past couple years knows an doesn’t need to listen to this
Has there ever been a broke champion? 🤔
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Dude talks in circles
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Chael get it together your slipping buddy
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