Why not just put it through the big ring before you make your shot? That way you don't have to pull ANY of the throwline through into another cube. Then you can just connect the end of the throwline with the throw weight to the small ring and immediately pull it up. That's what I do at least and it's so much easier.
um to save time and work put line threw large ring, then throw ball over limb. take ball off and pass thru small ring, pull it up over limb and the ball will drop down . tie climb rope on and pull thru and your ready to climb.
In theory you can do that, but in reality it’s a hindrance having the friction saver on the throwline before throwing. Pulling the line through takes all of 15seconds and nothing hinders your throw.
I remember the first video you made on how to do this. I just found it and was surprised that it has already been 10 years ago that you made it. Even though the audio is a little rough, I think in the older video it's a little easier to track the whole process from start to finish. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
This is a little more long winded, but for new climber it goes through every step in depth and the reason, with a couple extra bonus tips, unlike the original which was quick and to the point.
I like to ‘connect’ the ‘big ring’ before throwing the throw line in the tree. Of course this might affect your throw if you dont position/lay the friction saver in a certain way when you throw, but at least you dont have to pull the whole line through the big ring.
Everyone has their preferred method. I like to throw first and take the extra 20-30s to pull the line through rather than mess about trying to position the friction saver on the line where it won’t interfere. As long as a system works well for you then keep doing it
I use a loop large enough to fit over the throw ball and then I can use a girth hitch to attach to the throw ball. This way it goes on and off quickly instead of the time it takes to tie and re-tie the knots. Have you tried this and if so why don’t you do it that way?
Can't remember the last time I used a retrieval ball on my splice. Seems like a tight over hand knot has no trouble passing through the large ring and getting snagged up on the small ring😎
Great one Dan. I've read this one in Jeff Jepson's book so many times. It's hard for many to wrap their heads around it. Only after it's been shown and done so many times, does it become muscle memory. 🤘😎✌️
Great demo, Dan. I hardly ever climb DRT but I use this technique every once in a while to set and retrieve rigging rings from the ground. I tie a roughly 4" diameter loop at the ends of my throwline using bowline (permanently tied) and then use the loop to attach my throwball with a girth hitch. Just another option, feels faster to tie/untie to me. The loop can technically get caught on things but it doesn't happen enough to sway me from using it.
Hi there I have just discovered your channel it's awesome I am a gardener in my mid 30s been gardening for 10+ years only just recently started doing tree work last 2 years passed my level one cross cutting and felling trees up to 380mm and would like to progress to the next level what would you recommend I am based in the UK by the way
Awesome to hear. It is generally a great idea to work along side someone with much more experience in this field, even if it was once every couple of weeks.
Awesome video Dan , loved the first video you did on this as well which Is where I learnt how to do it from , I just do a bit of recreational climbing but have learned loads from your videos over the years , keep up the good work , all the best Neil 👍👊🏻
The controlled method with a throwline attached to rope for retrival sucks when strong winds came up, you have a high chance that the throwline gets tangeled and the friction saver gets stuck in the tree.
In theory you can do that, but in reality it’s a hindrance having the friction saver on the throwline before throwing. Pulling the line through takes all of 15seconds and nothing hinders your throw.
I was taught that but you still have to thread and restack the throwline(maybe better for really low setups?), I think I’ll be using the method Dan shows from now on.
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great training. I could watch this 50 times and still not quite wrap my head around how it works. It's all in the doing
If you enjoyed this video, we have another one coming soon of Ollie getting trained the basics of SRS climbing
I like putting a loop at end of my throw line so I can just use a girth hitch on the throw ball. Good how to video nice work
Your trainee is an excellent listener.
Why not just put it through the big ring before you make your shot? That way you don't have to pull ANY of the throwline through into another cube. Then you can just connect the end of the throwline with the throw weight to the small ring and immediately pull it up. That's what I do at least and it's so much easier.
nice . perhaps you can demonstrate
um to save time and work put line threw large ring, then throw ball over limb. take ball off and pass thru small ring, pull it up over limb and the ball will drop down . tie climb rope on and pull thru and your ready to climb.
In theory you can do that, but in reality it’s a hindrance having the friction saver on the throwline before throwing. Pulling the line through takes all of 15seconds and nothing hinders your throw.
Nice demonstration, it was good see your apprentice asking questions. Nice when someone is wanting to learn.
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I remember the first video you made on how to do this. I just found it and was surprised that it has already been 10 years ago that you made it. Even though the audio is a little rough, I think in the older video it's a little easier to track the whole process from start to finish. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
This is a little more long winded, but for new climber it goes through every step in depth and the reason, with a couple extra bonus tips, unlike the original which was quick and to the point.
He's a natural with that throw bag control.
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A good thing you added the controled retreval in your demonstration.
I was just teaching some this this last week, I’ll have to send this to him
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Solid teaching of the basics, straight to the point. Cool intro!
I like to ‘connect’ the ‘big ring’ before throwing the throw line in the tree. Of course this might affect your throw if you dont position/lay the friction saver in a certain way when you throw, but at least you dont have to pull the whole line through the big ring.
Everyone has their preferred method. I like to throw first and take the extra 20-30s to pull the line through rather than mess about trying to position the friction saver on the line where it won’t interfere. As long as a system works well for you then keep doing it
@@ClimbingArborist for sure!
@@ClimbingArborist for sure!
I use a loop large enough to fit over the throw ball and then I can use a girth hitch to attach to the throw ball. This way it goes on and off quickly instead of the time it takes to tie and re-tie the knots. Have you tried this and if so why don’t you do it that way?
Can't remember the last time I used a retrieval ball on my splice. Seems like a tight over hand knot has no trouble passing through the large ring and getting snagged up on the small ring😎
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Good video. I found it so much easier to use a leather or metal cambium saver. I never use my ring-ring anymore.
Great stuff, as a production/ contract climber this is tough though.
Very useful! Clear and concise. Thanks!
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Great one Dan. I've read this one in Jeff Jepson's book so many times. It's hard for many to wrap their heads around it. Only after it's been shown and done so many times, does it become muscle memory. 🤘😎✌️
So confusing yet so simple 😀
Great demo, Dan. I hardly ever climb DRT but I use this technique every once in a while to set and retrieve rigging rings from the ground.
I tie a roughly 4" diameter loop at the ends of my throwline using bowline (permanently tied) and then use the loop to attach my throwball with a girth hitch. Just another option, feels faster to tie/untie to me. The loop can technically get caught on things but it doesn't happen enough to sway me from using it.
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Hi there I have just discovered your channel it's awesome I am a gardener in my mid 30s been gardening for 10+ years only just recently started doing tree work last 2 years passed my level one cross cutting and felling trees up to 380mm and would like to progress to the next level what would you recommend I am based in the UK by the way
Awesome to hear. It is generally a great idea to work along side someone with much more experience in this field, even if it was once every couple of weeks.
Always great vids dan cheers. Thought every one doin srt now. Haha thanks real informative vids.
Awesome video Dan , loved the first video you did on this as well which Is where I learnt how to do it from , I just do a bit of recreational climbing but have learned loads from your videos over the years , keep up the good work , all the best Neil 👍👊🏻
The controlled method with a throwline attached to rope for retrival sucks when strong winds came up, you have a high chance that the throwline gets tangeled and the friction saver gets stuck in the tree.
Neat trick.
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Before you threw your throw line should have attached the small ring of irst then isolate limb then big ring
In theory you can do that, but in reality it’s a hindrance having the friction saver on the throwline before throwing. Pulling the line through takes all of 15seconds and nothing hinders your throw.
I was taught that but you still have to thread and restack the throwline(maybe better for really low setups?), I think I’ll be using the method Dan shows from now on.
Dude you need to redo this one with a camera on the tripod. They yanking around is too annoying to get the message.