Because Vi's mistake is on a personal level. Like people didn't hate Jayce for literally creating a nuke because it's nothing personal. But wearing an enforcer uniform hunting down her own sister, agreed to join the operation that used the same gas that torture her city for history, bring enforcer team to the place that she knew is both Jinx and her playground when they were kid. That's hurt on a personal level. P/S : Caitlyn is more reasonable than Vi
@@cuongtranmanh3794 I see your point! I do think they all had very personal motivations to do what they did. Vi was faced with the most difficult of all and she is in no way responsible for what happened to powder. You can’t blame her entire mental health issues on that one slap that she knew was out of anger and sorrow for loosing her entire family. She’s always wanted to give jinx second chances and has done so throughout the show, out of love. She follows caitlyn’s vandetta out of love too. I’m genuinely interested, how do you think she should have reacted when her sister killed her lover’s mom? :) She wants to take responsibility, and support cait in her way even if it’s not how she would have done it.
Cait did apologize in her way. She communicates a lot non-verbally. I think Vi understands her language. Her physical contact is quite poignant. I know people wanted to hear her say, "I'm sorry" but she did apologize. Her action to send all enforcers to the hex gates and to give Vi and Jinx the freedom to make their choices was a resolution and an apology. Her empathy and pause to touch where she hit Vi during THAT scene was filled with contrition. Cait's "I KNOW!!" was also filled with contrition and Vi's reaction told me she noticed. The animators may have showed Cait's apologies more than the script writers but they're just as meaningful.
Agree. I honestly don't understand why so much importance is placed on those words, as if by simply saying "sorry" one can magically fix everything. Without actions to back them up they're empty words. I would much rather see someone trying to improve and *show* me they regret what they did, it's much more impactful than a single word.
It's not so much a sorry I'd be looking for necessarily, just more tender scenes between the two I suppose. Like if we could have seen Cait laying on the bed next to Vi i would have lost my mind
@ Yes, fully on board with more gentle, tender and even “day-to-day” (like eating at Jericho’s or Cait’s favorite place) moments between them. (Many minds would have blown with yours had there been pillow conversation). I was responding to those who criticize Cait for “not apologizing” to Vi. EDIT: just realized you may have been referring to 108 and not pillow talk per se.
Vi is also my favorite character, and I think the writers showed very well how lonely it is to try and care for everyone while both neglecting yourself and not letting other people really take care of their own messes. I mean, she was not entirely responsible for Powder's trauma, Silco did transplant his "you were abandoned" ideas based based on his resentment towards Vander, and she was not responsible for Caitlyn not knowing how to face her first encounter with grief and loss and going off the deep end. Either way, I feel for her... but I don't regret the Pitfighter Era one bit. I ate up that eye candy!
She was mostly responsible. Jinx was already in the making when Silco got to Powder, thanks to Vi not stopping the bull**** coming from everyone else around them. But in that same vein, Vander is to blame for Vi being overburdened at TWELVE.
@@fettel1988 So you think it really is the responsibility of a minor to shelter another minor from trauma when both of them have experienced war, being orphaned, poverty, and such? Jinx is a product of her environment, but Silco clearly had a hand in turning her into his loose cannon and weapon maker for his own gain. I think his resentment and manipulation of her narrative was more poignant in creating and enabling the Jinx persona than anything her sister did. It baffles me how people think an older teenage sibling with no support is entirely responsible for how the little ones turn out. The whole point of Vi's character arc is accepting that it wasn't her fault that everything went to shit, and that the only thing you can do for others is support them but letting them sort out their own problems.
@@GmadMachine As the only living blood relative, yes it's Vi's "job" to run full counter defense. Vi was the only living person at that time that Powder attributed any true value to, and it's why it broke Powder that *VI* of all people turned on her in the end. Silco did nothing but make sure the pieces stayed together.
@@fettel1988 That's not how the real world works, but hey, you are entitled to your opinion. Silco is a psychopath with a chip on his shoulder and a political dream that preceded whatever intentions he had towards Jinx. Yes, he took her in and fed her and gave her attention, but he also told her that her sister "abandoned" her when he had ordered Marcus to kill Vi on sight. Lying about that certainly sounds like "keeping the pieces together" to me. He also pushed her to become a thug, a killer, and a terrorist, because he needed the muscle, and of course, she was also an asset because she is a brilliant scientist and weaponmaker, and he wanted Hextech because "Piltover was leaving them behind". He "loved" her as a daughter, but he also used her and didn't allow her to have other support systems besides him. Honestly, Silco apologists-pet-trolls are disgusting people. You clearly have very selective ways of picking what counts as abuse and what doesn't.
@@fettel1988 I'm sorry, but that is just not how the world works. Even if a minor is saddled with the responsibility of caring for a younger sibling, it doesn't mean that they have the educational and emotional resources to do a good job, much less absolutely shelter someone from a violent and difficult environment. I mean, not even an adult parent can do that, kids develop their own way, and the input they get doesn't only come from the actions of their caretakers. Now, about your "make sure the pieces stayed together" bit, sure thing, love. You are entitled to your opinion. However, Silco was clearly written as a psychopath who was dead set on making his political agenda happen. Yes, he took Powder in, clothed and fed her, and gave her attention. He also ordered Marcus to kill Vi on sight, and then told Powder that her sister "abandoned her". I'm sure her pieces stayed together after that. He also pushed her to become a thug, a killer, and a terrorist, because he needed the muscle, and a deadly weaponmaker because, of course, how could he not nourish Powder's STEM leanings. He certainly wasn't pressed to get his hands on Hextech because "Piltover was leaving Zaun behind." Honestly, you Silco apologist-pets-trolls are disgusting people. You have very selective ways of picking what counts or doesn't count as abuse, and would say anything to flip a disgusting story of a man taking advantage of a neurodivergent and disturbed child for his own gain as the ultimate "father-daughter" fantasy.
I gave up on arguing with Vi haters three years ago. They condemn her for the dumbest stuff and then give Jinx all the passes in the world for some of the worst actions in the series. It's Older Child Syndrome being applied at an extreme and unfair degree.
@@PileOfMeh true, i even surprise that Vi gonna have haters, i genuinely thought she wouldn't have haters, but here we are still wondering why 3 years later 🤣
people who dislike vi GENUINELY piss me off. she lost her mom as a kid, had to take care of her younger siblings and had to hunt or whatever while trying to survive. she got put into prison as a young teenage girl, and was beaten there for 6-7 years. she has so much trauma, anger, and sadness from her childhood and she is still genuinely the sweetest person ever. but people have the audacity to hate on her bc she left punched and left powder in episode 3 (hint, hint, she didn't)
I've seen A LOT of hate towards Vi & Caitlyn this season. It's mostly from hardcore Jinx fans who are angry that Vi didn't immediately go after her sister when Cait found Vi in the cell. They completely ignore all the suffering Vi has endured. To them, Jinx's happiness is the only thing that matters.
Season 1 Vi was fantastic and people who hate on her are just as weird as the people who hate on Powder for the mistakes she made as a child. Season 2 Vi on the other hand was written very poorly, and she made a lot of out-of-character decisions that framed her in a very bad light. Caitlyn as well......kinda. I still love Vi and Caitlyn but they were both done reeeeeal dirty this season.
@@cluster_f1575 ........Jinx is her sister.....and she just lost Isha. But Vi forgets that and bangs Caitlyn in the same cell as where Jinx was harming herself. I don't hate Vi or Caitlyn. But I do very much hate how they were written this season
This show has always been Show not tell. They showed that Cait regretted her actions, and Amanda did say in an interview that Cait’s apology to Vi was that she let Vi choose what she wants to do w jinx. Even if there’s a slight chance that she might lose Vi forever. We don’t really need to hear the words, her actions speak louder actually. But I get why some ppl want to hear it, I prefer the other way. That’s what makes this show so unique in their story telling, through beautiful visuals and music.
I think a lot of people don't understand the nuance of show dont tell because a lot of what has been produced previously is so very explicitly tell, dont show. If Fortiche had been given a broader depth in which to explore and flesh out things futher, I feel like we would have gotten some scenes where certain conversations could have been had. However, thats why fanfics exist right now, to give us those imagined scenes!!
"This show has always been show not tell." I hate that sentiment with a passion because it has always been objectively incorrect. The way Arcane works (in season 1, anyway) is show AND tell. If it's important enough to show, it's important enough for the characters to talk about. In episode 1 we are shown Vi and Powder's parents dying and Vander adopting them, and in episode 2 he directly explains what happened. In episode 4 we are shown Silco and Jinx's dynamic, and in episode 5 Sevika says "She's like his daughter". In episode 5 we are shown that Silco has no idea Vi's alive, and in episode 6 and 7 he directly says that Marcus told him she died. In episodes 5 and 6 we are shown Vi's guilt about what happened to Powder and in episode 8 she tells Caitlyn exactly how she feels about it. If you show important things but refuse to put words to them later, you are leaving plot points up to interpretation (another thing that Season 1 doesn't do but Season 2 does), which undermines the story by allowing misunderstandings to become a part of critical conversations. Or worse, you are making it clear to your audience that the thing DOESN'T actually matter, which will leave them wondering where the redemption is for a character like Caitlyn. I'm sorry, but you need to stop injecting copium. Season 2 lost sight of everything that made season 1 good, and became exactly what the haters always accused season 1 of being: A shallow vanity-project with overly artsy animation and a pretentious use of themes that makes it look immature.
@ mate, not everything needs a dialogue. If u take away the audio for instance, I can still understand the story through their face expressions, the colour, visuals. Sometimes u forget there are ppl who like me who have hard of hearing and English as 2nd language. I put subtitle on, but I don’t read all of them yet I still am able to put 2 and 2 together. Why? Cos the show is THAT good in storytelling through visuals. You just have to watch it carefully what each scene each frame they’re trying to convey. You are entitled to your own opinion so do I. I’m just saying I am able to comprehend media in a way you can’t.
@@Nix-Kiramman If you are able to comprehend it so well, can you tell me where it's communicated that the Firelights are against Piltover enough to be willing to work with Jinx, as they seem to be in season 2? In what scene is it conveyed that Maddie is encouraging Caitlyn to keep the war going, or getting important information out of her? If there isn't one, then what was Maddie supposed to do? If Ambessa really trusted Caitlyn enough to be genuinely hurt by her betrayal, then when it is conveyed or forshadowed that she hired Maddie to spy on her? I'm not denying that the show is good at giving hints as to what's happening through subtle details that you can use to figure out the story, but unlike Season 1, Season 2 completely *relies* on hindsight to make those scenes make sense. There is no reason to believe that Caitlyn's facial expressions are displaying regret for her actions until S2E6, where she helps Vi fight Ambessa and it becomes apparent that "she must've been having second thoughts the whole time". This kind of ambiguity or hidden emotions is fine in a side character like Huck or Salo or Isha, but Caitlyn is _a protagonist._ Her entire character arc happened in the background through story beats that are never brought up again, and that's unacceptably bad writing. The same goes for Vi and Viktor, unfortunately, because despite the deeply emotional scenes in season 1, Season 2 took everything that made Viktor an interesting character out, only to replace him with a vessel for uncreative monologues about human nature that don't relate to his experiences at all.
While I think that Vi was on Caitlyn's mind during her absence (It's so obvious that Ambessa knows she's still in love with her and the same for Jinx). I would have personally described Maddie as the exact opposite of Vi. Maddie is small, sweet, gentle and never actually challenges or stands up to her. Vi is the opposite she's brash, passionate and doesn't hesitate to stand up to Caitlyn when she thinks she's going the wrong way. If you are trying to "forget" someone; going for their polar opposite is a fairly common tactic. It also explains why Maddie and Caitlyn don't actually "work" together, even if she wasn't a spy. If Caitlyn wanted someone like Maddie in her love life considering her looks and family, it would have been piss easy.
I love Vi a lot (one of my favorite characters). She's the golden heart of Arcane, IMHO. She wants care about everyone around her, but need (and uses to forget it !) someone cares about her (team Cupcake !) And she's pretty and badass !
The reason it's called CaitVi instead of Violyn is because Vi existed in League and was already shipped with Cait for like 8 years before we learned her full name was Violet. There was no O Also, interestingly, Amanda Overton answered a fan question saying that Cait would not keep her suspicions about Jinx a secret from Vi at the end, but that they're just that. Suspicions. There’s no actual evidence that she's right or any sort of trail for them to follow
9:45 - so Amanda responded to an Insta DM just yesterday confirming that Vi knew. I will quote her reply. "My interpretation is that there is no secrets between them based on what we showed in other scenes about Cait's need to be truthful to Vi. 😉" I think with the wink emoji she is referring to the lex scene where Cait had to be truthful about Maddie before she could continue, as it was weighing on her.
@@ClaudieTV Oh yes, she's been doing that since before Season 1. She used to engage with fans in Twitter threads, but now she prefers DMs on both Instagram and Twitter. She's awesome!
i don't think caitlyn miss the shot when she shoot jinx's finger, i actually think she intentionally shoot her finger and i also think the kiss is not a manipulation, i always think that is their way to promise they know they cannot keep. - VI promised that she's ready to kill her sister, but we know she hesitated and then stop caitlyn to kill jinx. If she trully ready to kill jinx, she just gonna yeet isha and left caitlyn with a clean shoot, you also can see that Vi is holding her punch when fighting jinx, bcause later you can see what her punch can do to warwick in eps 5, but when she punch jinx in the gut, her punch basically did nothing to jinx. - Caitlyn promised she wouldn't change but Vi and Caitlyn herself know that she already changing. and i don't know why cut these scene but i saw a photo of the deleted scene when Caitlyn having a breakdown after she got out from the tunnel after hitting Vi with her gun. i think they should keep that so we know that Caitlyn is already and always feel guilty about what she did to Vi. i can share the link if u want to see it.
Given the stranglehold Disney has had for so long, with its ability to buy up small up and coming studios like Pixar, it is refreshing to see there is still the ability to create fresh content.
You really went through _all_ the questions from the community post?! 😉 (/caitlyn voice) On a more serious note: I can't tell you how cool it is to have found someone who shares so many of the same views on Vi's character, Claudie! Every time you're talking about her in these Q&A videos, I'm just sat here smiling and nodding along haha. I think it's safe to say Arcane is one of my favourite shows ever, but Vi in particular might end up being my favourite literary character of all time. Part of it is definitely because I strongly relate to her personally, having a younger sibling and sharing some of her character flaws 😅 But even putting personal bias aside, I just love the way she's written. How she always wears her heart on her sleeve, how she stands up for others, how she faces adversity... She's such an undeniably _good_ character, but she's so complex too. This show never shies away from showing the potential pitfalls of her (typically considered "good") character traits, such as her selflessness or protectiveness, when taken to an extreme. I think that makes her a really interesting and unique character ❤
I’m glad this channel loves Vi she’s my favorite I never have heard you mention a scene when Vi finds Caitlyn after the battle in ep 9 I really think so much of that soft tenderness we where missing this season could have been expressed 💕🫶😍
21:55 I think the appreciation of Vi and maybe Ekko etc. just got cut out, that's why it's such a bummer that the season was only 9 episodes long. Because I think they just wanted to end the story with Caitlyn and Vi asking each other whether they're up for the challenge of buliding something new and healthy (talking about that "are you in this fight" "I'm the dirt under your nails" thing), so they just skipped over some of the potentially very important other scenes. In example it would be cool if they highlighted Sevika actually receiving the permission to be in the Council, because we see her taking Cassandra's seat (!!!) which is very important and it was probably THE Kiramman seat, so Caitlyn probably just gave it up to her. And highlighting this would add much more depth to Cait's redemption arc as well. Instead we just see her sit on some chair and if it wasn't for some of the viewers' eagle eyes nobody would even know that the seat was Cassandra's. 23:38 I think Caitlyn not having an on-screen scene of thinking of Vi doesn't mean she didn't think of Vi. This show proved time and time again that they like subtlety and symbolism. So like you said - it's pretty much heavily implied that she does nothing but think of Vi in one way or another, almost subconciously. I think it's also implied in the scene with Singed when he talks about love and shows his daughter to Cait and Ambessa, there's a very interesting change there in Caitlyn's expression, very subtle, but straight to the point at the same time. One other thing - I can see her actually hallucinating that it's not Maddie but Vi in the bed with her. Does that make sense? Great video, enjoyed the Q&A a lot, take care Claudie!
It seems that today is Caitlyn's birthday 🎉🥳 aaand coincidentally there was a leak of storyboards from that prison scene, also of a cut scene of Vi from when she was still in prison in season 1, I recommend looking for it lol I needed to share it because I just saw it 👀🤭 and it might be useful for your analysis of that scene hahah
11:30 I'd just love to see Vi and Warwick teamup, imagine the sheer combined brute force of father daughter duo decimating everything and yeah, would love to watch a video of such a tierlist, go for it! 🙏
here's a thing, first of all. iam straight, BUT i really really deep in love with cait and vi relationship since season 1, and i still can't get over it till right now, i also custom my back jacket with a embroidery picture of CAITLYN. oh god i love her so much
22:25. The dialogues and the image of Cait in the darkness frame his thoughts towards Vi. The scene of Cait staring at nothing in the darkness of an immense dark room (S2,4) reflects her deep sadness and loneliness. Unable to sleep, SHE IS OVERWHELMED BY THOUGHTS, GUILT, AND THE LINGERING MEMORY OF VI. When Maddy asks her a question, Cait responds while gazing into the emptiness where her thoughts had been before Maddy interrupted: "I don’t know what I was thinking"-A LINE THAT ECHOES VI'S REPROACH when rejecting the badge: "You didn’t think it at all." (Back then, Cait offered the badge to Vi envisioned a life by her side, overcoming everything, but she failed to grasp the complexity of that reality). As Cait continues and says, "But it wasn’t this," she makes a subtle gesture, almost pointing behind her gaze-toward Maddy and the chaotic and empty life she is living now.
23:45 , I kind of disagree here, how I saw it was Caitlyn lost her innocence/naïveté throughout season 1 (being exposed to the undercity, losing her mom etc), so that in season 2 she’s more brunt, and brutal,which makes her seem colder however it’s just her logical based way of thinking without that layer of innocence that makes her come off as cold. Vi was cold in season 1 because she was hurt and angry, so I think there’s a big difference there. Loved this Q&A type of video, it’s so interactive and fun! Your subs are growing so much, congratulations!!!!
23:30. To your point about Caitlyn not sharing her feelings. We see in episode SE201 that she shared her feelings and what she thought to Jayce as exposition which was very done. At this point she just lost her mother and it was still fresh and she was grieving. There was also the shower scene in SE108 where she was explicitly thinking about Vi walking away from her in rain in reverse as if trying to figure out what ahe could have done differently. You have fair points. I just wanted to point these out.
13:10 Cait's uniform does seem needlessly complex. She has her high-waisted pants, a black turtle-neck, a cropped jacket and something that I can only assume is a girdle-like garment, which may or may not be part of the jacket. It's visible when Cait walks into the cell and leans against the wall, but it's gone after the jacket is slipped off so I don't think it's part of her pants. That's all I've got for that one.
10:30 the Jinx and Silco relationship, imo is very simple and so complex. I think they both loved each other, obviously as a parent and child. Some people see way too much into it, based on a few scenes, such as when we first see grown-up Jinx interacting with Siclo, the "baptism" scene and when Jinx confronts Silco about Vi being alive and him keeping it from her. I don't think there's any incestuous relationship going on between them. I think those scenes perfectly represent that love is not enough for a working and healthy parent-child relationship. Silco is not a good father, and Jinx was so mentally and emotionally broken already when she met him, that even a perfect parent would have a hard time raising her right. So their relationship is simple cause they love each other as a father-daughter duo, but it's complex cause they are so not good for each other, they're a bad influence. Those scenes that people mention as evidence that something more is there, show their dysfunctional father-daughter relationship, nothing more.
I think Silco knew Powder and knew she was Felicia's Daughter he was just playing dumb and that's why he loved her so much as a daughter. I mean she shot him and his reaction was "don't be sad, you're perfect" Only a father would say that. Yes he was a bad influence on her and didn't help her with her psychosis and more or less fed it. I have to wonder how many times he blew up at her like when she killed those 6 enforcers without his say so. I'm thinking not very often.
If I need someone to show up and have my back, I will always pick Vi. Vander said to her: “You got a good heart, never lose it, no matter how the world tries to break you.” Again, great questions and engaging conversation. Nice way to enjoy my day after house cleaning duties 😂
Vi became Violet. Both prison scenes from 2se8 show this. At this stage, Vi has decided to stay regardless of what Powder does (because here we are dealing with Powder, not Jinx). Vi asks, even begs Powder to use her skills in the fight against Ambessa, but she does not suggest escaping together. Powder (not Jinx) knows that Vi will never leave her and, although drastic, makes the only right decision in her opinion (suicide). He has to lock Vi up otherwise she won't let her go. And for me the most important scene: Caith and Vi but at the very beginning - when Vi becomes Violet: she admits her weakness, says that she makes wrong decisions and thinks that now she has lost Caith even more. And Caith's facial expression when Vi begins her monologue with the words "say it" - full of compassion and love. In a split second her face changes. And E9 - the moment when Violet is completely terrified because she has something to lose, the stakes in this war have increased significantly and Caith squeezes her hand. And as for Vi's emo phase - well - I guess it's lesbian after all :D after a week together and one kiss (uhaul like nothing) 3 months of sobbing and anger just to get back together. As they say: lesbians break up as many times as a cat has the number of lives - so far we've counted 3 (of course, I'm kind of joking and partly not)
Bit of a ramble below lol, but you talked a little about how Caitlyn shows her feelings with actions instead of words, and it has me wondering just how intentional it was that Caitlyn and Vi sort of… talk quite similarly to the way that they fight?? Almost like “a practiced attempt to accurately and efficiently complete a task” vs “a skilled but mostly instinctual exchange of blows” Cait talks like she's keeping you at a distance. Like words are bullets, both precious and deadly, that you don't want to use without an important, practical purpose. To convey information, to make a plan of action, to ask questions that matter. The only people she uses it to do anything impractical with, like… convey an emotion or make a joke? Are Jayce and Vi, and even then it's a rare thing Vi talks like words are hands. They never run out, and they can be used for many purposes; to heal, to harm, to trick and deceive, to build, to break, to draw people in and make them feel cared about. But in a way, just like her hands, through much of Arcane she's kind of forgotten how to use them as anything other than a weapon and is having to relearn it. When Vi is angry or hurt or afraid, her instinct isn't just to attack with her fists. She also attacks with her words Throughout the series, she uses them to insult or antagonize Vander, Mylo, Powder/Jinx, Caitlyn, Sevika, Ekko, Silco, the council, Jayce, Maddie, Loris, Huck, Ambessa, the list goes on! While Caitlyn, on the other hand, saves her verbal ammunition for people she believes are guilty of terrible crimes. The “animals” who attacked the memorial, the “monster” who created Shimmer, the “abomination” that caused the slaughter at the prison, the council that “doesn't give a shit” and totally failed the undercity, and sadly Vi who she sees at the time of s2e3 as having betrayed her to protect Jinx and let her get away with the big gas attack And theeeen we have the “angry oil slick” line, which is basically the only time in the entire series Cait actually tries to be insulting for something smaller than like… a full on terrorist attack, because at this point she is still trying to keep Vi at a distance but clearly isn't very good at it. Which is maybe why Vi finds it funny more than anything when she does it?? It's so wildly out of character to a degree that it's kind of silly. Meant to be all intimidating and angry but tips over into trying too hard and not quite nailing it, causing Vi to already maybe question how much Caitlyn has actually changed after all
Best Topside and Undercity duo, okay Listen.. Cassandra & Silco I think they will achieve anything if that happen haha Anyway, regarding q&a, maybe you should do it after every series or movie you watch? Like, maybe longer for series, and maybe fews for movies cause I think its always fun to watch and then discuss about movies/series we loves, just like this Arcane one 😊
9:36 I thought about it too, that Cait could've said something to Vi here to comfort her and say " Hey, I think your sister might be alive." But we and Caitlyn know Vi, if there is a chance of her little sister being alive she would be a goner and would've tried to find her. I love this kind of sibling storytelling sooooooo much, that's why I love the show Supernatural. The bigger sibling who takes care of the younger one and tries to protect them from anything, but get's hurt multiple times on the way in the story. I get it why Cait said nothing to Vi, but in the same time I just want the sisters together maaaaaaaaan 😭 Btw I love watching your Vids Claudie 💙 Keep up the good work 🥳💞
It was always pretty clear to me that Silco genuinely loved Jinx. She did a lot of questionable things that made his life significantly harder and even though he gave her shit for it, he never turned on her. Even when everyone around him told him she was nothing but trouble, he stuck with her. Much like a parent would. Even at the very end after she shoots him, he comforts her and tells her she's perfect. It was actually very sweet.
Theirs a lot of comics/fanart out there for arcane, it’s not necessarily my thing so I haven’t seen a lot of it, however I’d love to see you react and go through some of the amazing art that’s out there! Could be a cool video idea
The main issue is "some" people are oblivious to the pain, suffering, chaos Vi has and is going through. To expect "normal" (whatever that means....) logical, rational behaviour is simply missing the point. The storyline is around human behaviour, love and passion with all is ups and downs, flaws and imperfections ("There is no price to perfection. Only an end to the pursuit" ..." parallel). "Side note: Do you have a Patreon option?"
Thank you for pondering my topside/undercity duo thingy. Trust me - I've got some ideas... The "Getting Things Done" Duo - Cassandra and Vander (Cavander) The "No Talk - Just Beef" Duo - Warwick and Loris (WAR LORIS!!) The "Instantly Ruin ANYONE'S Day" Duo - Maddie and Smeech (:vomitnoise:)
(Sorry for the double post. Saw the title of this video and thought I'd add this here, as well) So, there are two camps. There's one group who dislikes Vi as a character because they think she was too hard on Jinx from the beginning, and they empathize with Jinx more than her. So, that group has always hated Vi throughout the course of both seasons. Then, there's another group who likes Vi as a character, but disliked that she seemed to lack agency in season 2, which to be fair is true for a lot of the cast, as the story became more plot-driven than character-driven in season 2. Their criticisms of Vi are a direct result of the change in the narrative structure of the show. An example is the sex scene after Jinx locked Vi in the cell: Group 1 hates Vi for not going after Jinx and stopping her from self-deletion and believes that Vi has always been too harsh and uncaring towards Jinx. Group 2 thinks that Vi should've taken more initiative to go after Jinx because they believe that's how she would've acted in season 1. If you're in group 3, like me, you think that it's way more obvious to the audience than it is to Vi that Jinx is going to go self-delete, and it's ridiculous to expect her to know it in the moment.
15:24 "that's where it [twonk] comes from". I swear that evening I googled it and the twink one too and made sense haha. In some urban dictionary or something I found "the meaning", but then the google doesn't know haha
18:12 I was literally thinking of asking this exact question for the Q&A, so I'm glad SOMEONE asked it! Violyn is a MUCH better ship name, imo, and structurally it flows better when spoken.
And this is why fanfics are doing what the show didn't. So many of the ones I've read give Vi the therapy she desperately needs, because Vander made her carry a weight that wasn't hers to carry. And then she spent nearly half of her life, at that time, in Supermax prison. And THEN we never even bothered to stop and ask "How is Vi"
Yeah exactly, there was never 'hey, you ok kiddo' for Vi. For everyone else their was. Jayce checking on Caitlyn. Sevika even shadowed Jinx a little , right? Nothing for Vi
Like many people online, I also prefer the writing of S01 to that of S02 (mostly because the later is a bit rushed and many possibilities or character pairing are not explored). However, I think Riot & Fortiche did such a good job defining all the characters in the show that there is enough opportunity to explore this stuff post mortem through "what if" discussions, fan fic or (still waiting for it) comics/Arcane re-edits. Also, the Claudie dictionary keeps growing: piss biscuit, twonk, ... What could be next?
It's not the writing though. The writing in S2 was perfectly fine on its own. It's the way the show is cut in S2 that doesn't work. In isolation, every event in S2 is good if not better. *But* what we lost was the nuance. So1, we were paced almost day to day. So2, we were vignettes separated by months. It's literally like an entire year from ep 3 to ep 4. It's why it's downright *shocking* to the viewer that Cait "moved on" and Vi is an underground prize fighter just nebulously located in their world.
13:50 Here's the only other time I've encountered the word 'Twonk' (about 50secs in if you want to skip) ua-cam.com/video/_qIkXfxyB-8/v-deo.htmlsi=65jnesz2tohp0ntP
maybe some people don't like heimerdinger bcause he's one of people that responsible for oppression of the people in zaun, you know he's the one that found piltover, and also head of the council for more than 200 years, and basically did nothing to help zaun. after he got kicked from the council then suddenly he wanna help zaun. if he didn't meet ekko in the bridge i think he's just gonna back to piltover and just ignore them again?
Vi really only gets hate from really hardcore Jinx fans who just seem to dislike everyone who is opposed to her at any point in the narrative (expect Ekko apparently lol) and idiots who think she should have mind reading powers or something and just KNOW her sister was suicidal.
They usually love silco too, who undoubtedly caused jinx the most suffering and harm. It’s mostly just vi and cait who get the “you wronged jinx in some way so I don’t like you” treatment from her fans, which is odd but unsurprising
@@scarlettwisteria oh god Caitlyn is a whole other story, a huge part of the fandom just completely discounts her trauma and grief because she Rich and a cop (and from Piltover) and then comedically exaggerate the bad stuff she did (and yes she did lots of genuinely morally messed up stuff in S2 obviously) to absolutely ridiculous levels (IE so we are shown she used the grey to clear out areas to perform raids on the Chembarrons, civilians got caught in the crossfire which is bad, to SHE GASSED ALLLLL OF ZAAAUNNNN AND NEVER FELT ANY REGRET ABOUT ANYTHING DESPITE ADMITTING SHE CAME TO HATE HERSELF). It's immensely frustrating and makes it almost impossible to have a good conversation about her character and arc on a bunch of sites and some of her antis actively harass Caitlyn heavy fan artist and stuff... her hatedom is somehow more obssessed with her than her fandom... and yes a bunch of them are ALSO Silco Apologist.
@@thewalrus45 exactly! That’s what’s most irritating. Caitlyn isn’t allowed to have any nuance or feelings because she’s a rich cop and doesn’t have her trauma showcased by flashy colourful scribbles so it’s not real apparently. It’s impossible to have any semblance of a productive conversation or you know, actually discuss the things we saw play out on screen because people just want to have a sense of moral superiority. It’s exactly like you said, they belittle what she went through and over-exaggerate the things that she did do. If you even attempt to talk about her character outside of just blind hatred people will flood in to accuse you of the most insane things
I just thought of something great. So what if in the spin off series, one of the characters gets invited to a wedding for Piltover and it ends up being Cait and Vi and they show up as a cameo? Or they need help from Piltover and they say something like "you can get help by Piltover finest." And they show up
If you're looking for some other content, you might want to watch some Character teaser videos. Ekko: Seconds is really good.... And to answer your questions about the crows and ravens. In arcane specifically, there are a few Noxian overseers that aren't mentioned at all, but something that people playing the game would know. The leader of the Black Rose is Leblanc, and the ravens specifically here belong to Swain. Swain and Leblanc don't get along so he spies around with the raven to figure out what she's doing basically. In the Twist of Fate cinematic you saw, the crows belong to Fiddlesticks. Fiddlesticks is a demon of fear, always showing up along with death. Terror in Demacia... that's another teaser vid. Good luck with that one tho.
Most hardcore potential pairing that isn't in the show? Vi and Embessa. A Vi learning guile and weapons training and with Embessa removing or even just toning down Vis more ethical aspects would be a legitimately terrifying pairing. I'd also have loved to see Vi kick Embessa around Piltover to save Cait at the end.
There is a new sort of leak of Caitvi love scene storyboard, I’m sure you could easily find it on social platforms, though some part of it got covered up cuz of China censorship (the original post / leak was from China platform). Maybe you could analyze these storyboards together when you do your science investigations?? 👀 fyi, storyboard artist Joséphine Meis was nominated for Best Storyboarding at the Annie Awards for this episode🎉
@@ClaudieTV On one hand, we see Ambessa teasing Caitlyn, pointing out the risks and unwise nature of banging a subordinate, with Maddie even actively trying to convince Caitlyn to oppose Ambessa's plans. On the other hand, Maddie's initial portrayal as a starry-eyed admirer of both Vi and Caitlyn seems authentic (we don't see a single hint to make us doubt this - it's a literal 180°), making her being (apparently wordlessly) dropped by Caitlyn a compelling motive for her vengefulness and subsequent betrayal. I don't understand where people get the 'she was a spy all along' thing from - it's definitely not portrayed by the story I have seen play out on screen.
@@ClaudieTV Haven't seen her passport. I hear this theory is inside the Overton window but I haven't seen anyone linking a primary source. Given what *E2 itself* tells us she is not a spy imo. I find it hard to believe this has become such a popular theory. Ironically this might be a good example of "how easy it is to hate them".
@@ClaudieTV I believe we haven't seen Maddies passport. I hear that theory is inside the Overton window but I have yet to see a primary source confirming it. In any case (Noxian or not), why would the show divert from its usual show don't tell (and certainly don't tell via social media) paradigm on a plot twist with a weight like that? I have no problem with that particular theory (except it's a bit of a low quality plot twist), it's just not what S2 shows us. S2 shows us Caitlyn rejecting the woman she used as a rebound, apparently without even talking things through once. Why do people look for a 'she was a spy all along' narrative when the obvious 'Human, all too Human' thing is staring us in the face? Your guess is as good as mine but psychologically speaking I'd say it is because they want Violyn untainted...
Not sure if Claudie is interested in reacting to other creators but it would be interesting for her to watch Necrits video "League's Universe Explained For Arcane Fans"
Like Babette said to Vi, "Silco's second is a regular", We are here in the comment section are regular "Twonks" . Welcome to the playground I guess. and also I think most of the people who can relate themselves to Vi's character, are metaphorically living in "prison", it's the guilts, responsibility, failures. And the hate towards her due her decision to choose herself and the love of her life, and I get it, as a queer person and an elder sibling choosing love over family, getting backlashes from friends and family is something heavy. I hope with time the audience hating her will grow up and will understand her better in later life.
20:13 Hmm, I never viewed the Kirammans as a matriarchal family. I always thought of them as Cait's mom comes from the bigger, politically more powerful and important family, so that's why she's on the council and that's why she's the one who brought the family name and not the dad. But if Cait for example would be a boy, the parents wouldn't have tried till they get a girl. Imo, the only important thing is to have an offspring so the name lives on, unless a Kiramman gets together with someone who's lineage is even more impressive.
@@ClaudieTV I see, outside of bridging the rift I don't really watch any interviews. I had the same thought about the paintings, I thought the lineage happened to be more or all women, but it makes sense both ways.
I feel like the limitation of only 2 seasons did all the characters (and Fortiche) dirty. The writers did very well to tie up such a vast cornicopia of stories in so few episodes, given all the threads that were left open at the end of S1. I'm hoping that now Christian and Fortiche have had such commersial success, they will be given more flexibility to tell longer form stories.
"Caitlin was thinking about Vi the entire time" Well, Caitlin was thinking about Jinx the entire time. We are being shown this by seeing her fantasize about shooting her. I'd say whats plausibly going on is "Einer liebt immer mehr." i.e. one person is always in love more (than the other). In S1 it was Cait, in S2 it is Vi.
Personally don't follow your viewpoint. Don't believe one can 'be in love more than another', Caitlyn shows, with her actions, not her thoughts or hallucinations. If you look at her actions she's distracting herself from Vi
@@ClaudieTV "Caitlyn shows, with her actions, not her thoughts or hallucinations. If you look at her actions she's distracting herself from Vi" I could literally cite both Ambessa and Vi on whether Caitlyn is distracted, they are both arguing she is not. = ) We only see one scene of her actively 'distracting herself' right after the breakup and quite a few of her being on the hunt for Jinx/vengeance. "Don't believe one can 'be in love more than another'" I think this is a thing painstakingly obvious in most relationships I have witnessed, fictional and real, closeup and from afar. Are we using the same definition of love here? I have hard time imagining we do while still arriving at such different conclusions.
Would like to recommend one of the best psychological thrillers ever made called the Handmaiden. Its a korean film released in 2016. I think you'd really like it. Side note: the main couple is infact wlw haha
The Handmaiden was good, but a little too 'male-gazey' for my liking, so I couldn't really empathize with the women (that's just my opinion). I prefer the miniseries "Fingersmith", which is another adaption of the same book and came out in 2005 in the UK. You should check it out, if you haven't seen it! :)
@Amipalovestwilight yh I strongly disagree on it being male grazy. MOVIE SPOILERRRS AHEADDD!!!!!!...THAT scene adds greatly to the plot which shows us that the lady knows more about sex than we were lead to believe and also tells us how all those readings have subconsciously affected her. In my opinion, taking out those scenes or reducing the amount of explicitness would not fully make us understand the extent of the lady's characterisation and trauma with the readings. I have seen fingersmith though, it's also good in its own way.
@@eyesopened9014 It comes down to personal taste, I guess, since the movies have a very different feel to them. I know that a lot of people loved the Handmaiden and I think it's definitely worth a watch :) It's also a big step for a conservative country like South Korea to make a movie with a lesbian lead couple in it, so that's great! But personally I just liked Fingersmith more.
So many shows think any visibility is good visibility that it is easy to see they haven't spoken to a single queer individual before throwing a storyline out there. For a long time, queer characters were more harmful than anything because they only showed negative stereotypes. I think thats why Wynonna Earp has such a rabidly loyal fanbase. They put quality above all.
18:15 I don't why they stuck with Caitvi as a ship name, is not bad, is just not clever. Violyn sounds better. But the ship name they used to have before Arcane was Piltover's Finest
Okay. I understand Vi for everything she did. But I can't find sympathy with her. Vi consciously understands that every choice she makes is wrong. I feel pity for her. Both Vi and Jinx tried to do the right things but ended up in jinx. While I think Vi is very dense when it comes to emotional intelligence, that's her character. The show didn't even redeem her character by letting her make a decision that she doesn't regret. Some might say that Vi chose to stay with Cait in the end is the right decision. But does it?
I recently discovered you, I loved your reactions to both arcane and to the cinematics of league of legends (not all yet😉) I also find this lack of understanding and empathy towards Vi unbearable and I am of the opinion that the "fans" of Jinx (those who do it in a negative way) hating Vi show that they have not understood anything even about Jinx. Fortunately there are many more people who understand the characters (everyone).
oh hard agree on how uninspiring media has been lately. the last tv show i actually kept up with as it was current, bought dvds, all that, was nbc's hannibal (def something to react to int he future if you can handle some gore. it's not at all like arcane, but it's lush and dense in a way that makes me think of arcane). vi doesn't have to be told jinx lived, they're in the same room at the end scene. cait isn't keeping a secret - it would be absolutely terrible story telling if she did - vi could just look over and see cait at the microfiche with the monkey bomb. i was really confused as to why people thought cait was keeping that from vi.
I'll start by saying that I love Vi. But what makes me angry is her being obtuse. She's stubborn, she has very little love for herself, she thinks Jinx and Caitlyn's problems are her fault. Vander's fault for putting these things in her head since she was a teenager. do you also think that Vander was the one who caused problems especially for Vi? he unintentionally caused her strong feelings of guilt towards her family
Blond chambaroness = Margot... And carefull with anwser because it's confirmer that augments on her face make her appear way younger then she really is (she more then 80 or something like that) =) btw. speaking about Catlyn's clothes in "that scene" can anyone explain me how was Caitlyn able undress Vi's top without undress her pants first? Because her top is basically bodysuit right? NO... never Violyn... ALWAYS CAITVI! I don't know about Caitlyn's autism... i mean... it is true that in shortstories she obvioulsy suffer by her workoholism... and Riot never poited out anyting about autism in her case... (which is kinda weird because in case of Aurora they literaly said that SHE IS a autistic even before her release) As you said... YES Caitlyn was thinking about Vi every single day... Maddie = shortie... short ginger hairs... blue eyes... FRECKLESS!!! If anyone isn't able see that then he's just hopelessly LOST! xD
You need to react to: Imagine me and You Happiest season The half of it I can't think straight Booksmart Saving face Yes or no Debs All are really cute movies
Is very interesting how in this Aracane world is a different society where homofobia doesn’t exist, bc gender expression and sexuality It is as varied and wide as the integration of other non-human species. Is curious how we have the same political and social problem as well , But they are an advanced and superior in social/cultural terms (gender norms, feminism, matriarchal order, diversity, sexuality expression) is like they erase all this nonsens of our world, WICH is great!
Sad there's no Arcane Bridging the Rift for 2 season..afterall if you interesting in some Christian Linke answering common questions with VA search Arcane Afterglow vids Act 1,2,3 etc.
Bro cait is not autistic well maybe just a little bit but besides that point keep doing what you’re doing and why is my favorite actually I can’t say that I have an unhealthy Obsession with Kaitlyn anyway
Yes yes it is and I love your opinion also I have a theory so a lot of people say that like when they took jinx in she was raised by pirates for eight years and then after those eight years of training, she came back because if you don’t know, there’s actually different parts of maps or like I guess their world what I mean is there’s lots more of it than pulled over and Zaun
For me, my 'fan theory' revolves around the fact that alt vers Powder created her own Hextech and travels to the original vers, as confirmed by the scene where she places the piece of paper in the bowl to honour lost loved ones (S2 finale). I believe the reason the show makes Vi think Jinx is dead is so she can meet alt Powder and heal her personal trauma, because that version of Powder was never broken by Vi calling her a Jinx. I think it can only be when Vi sees there is a version of Powder that grew up happy and well adjusted, that she will begin to forgive herself for the damage she did in her darkess moment.
I will preface my comment by saying that Vi is probably one of my favorite characters of all time and the hate for her is unjustified. I, however will say that people being critical with how her story arc was written in Season 2 is fair. I'm one of those critics if we are being honest.
@@ClaudieTV As a diehard Jinx fan I dont get it. I want them to be together and its not Vi fault that both their reconciliations are interrupted by things beyond their control
Why do people hate Vi? I'll try to explain it to you. Vi has 2 negative traits. 1) She has problems controlling her emotions (mostly anger, I guess). 2) She acts without thinking about the consequences. Even if there were no Jace and the stones, Vi would still find problems for herself and everyone around her. Now let's talk about the mistakes/sins that Vi made. 1) The robbery of Jace's apartment. Vander clearly and distinctly said that no one should go to Piltover. Vi didn't listen to him. Because of the robbery and the explosion, Jace was tried and he almost committed suicide. There were consequences for Zaun too. The security forces, under pressure from the council, began to oppress the residents of Zaun. Vander did not offer any resistance. Therefore, Seivika and many others decided to side with Silko. All this mess gave Silko a chance to act. So we can say that Vi is to blame for the death of Benzo, Sheriff Grayson and other security forces except Marcus. 2) When Jinx offered to tell Wander about the stones, Vi told her not to. She didn't even take or hide the stones from Jinx. And when she went to save Wander, she could have left Jinx with Ecco. The result was that Jinx blew up the plant. In the explosion, many died (Wander, Milo, and Klagor) and were injured (Sinjet and Seivika). She also inflicted serious psychological trauma on Jinx. So it's safe to say that Vi got her prison sentence for a reason. 3) The Bridge. As soon as Jinx started acting, Vi immediately ran back. She left Ecco with Jinx. And after the explosion, she didn't try to go back for Jinx. And while she was lying in bed with Kate, her sister had to fight to survive. 4) She gave Jinx's name to the council. There is an unspoken law in Zaun. It doesn't matter what grievances there are between the inhabitants of Zaun. Piltover is a common enemy for everyone. Because Vi gave Jinx's name, Jace demanded that Silko give her up. If it weren't for that, the tea party might have turned out differently. 5) Relationship with Caitlin. If Vi hadn't hung out with Caitlin, then Jinx would have ignored Caitlin, wouldn't have kidnapped her, and wouldn't have tried to kill her (possibly). 6) Attack on the Shimmer Factory. Vi convinced Jace to attack the Shimmer Factory. The battle resulted in casualties. And among the casualties was the son of the chem-baroness Rennie, who attacked Piltover to avenge her son's death. If it weren't for the attack on the factory and the death of her son, the chem-baroness Rennie might have refused Ambessa's offer. And so, the attack also resulted in casualties. 7) Intervention in the battle between the chem-baroness Rennie and Piltover. The Piltoshki would have handled it themselves. Especially since Ambessa was there to help. 8) Becoming a security officer (this caused Jinx another psychological trauma). Helping in the poisoning of Zaun's people with gas. Destroying the production of flickering, which, by the way, was also used as a medicine (it saved Vi's life after the fight with Seivika, and it also saved Jinx's life) due to the lack of access to normal medicine and doctors. And the hunt for her own sister. And also ignoring the fact that Caitlin shot off Jinx's finger (thanks to Ambessa for gouging out Caitlin's eye. Too bad it was only one. Both eyes should have been gouged out. And the knife should have been thrust not into the side but into the groin area. So that Caitlin could not have offspring and enjoy herself). 9) Attempting to kill her own sister. 10) No sympathy or consolation after Isha's death. Instead, she came to beg for help for those who oppressed the people of Zaun against the Noxians who did the same. And after Jinx went to commit suicide, she did not go looking for her. Instead, Vi had fun with Caitlin in a cell. In the same cell where Jinx sat, suffered and was tormented. 11) And the last thing. Vi started messing with Vander's body. Because of which he woke up and almost killed her. Jinx had to save her stupid sister at the cost of her life (although we all know that Jinx is alive). Let's summarize everything. Because of the mistakes that Vi made, many died and suffered. The worst thing is that in the end, Vi (and Caitlin) did not receive any retribution for their mistakes. Let her enjoy her happiness while she can. Retribution will catch up with her sooner or later. To write this comment, I used a translator because I do not know English very well.
I adore vi so much that when i see someone says she just written poorly and have no depth makes me wonder if we watched the same show
Vi is unfairly an underrated character .I don't understand how it is possible to hate Vi.She always put others before herself .She has a good heart❤
Vi has made many mistakes/sins. And these mistakes/sins have led to serious consequences and victims.
@@Shadow-cp8qcso what about jinx then? It’s like you don’t accept Vi acting like a human but others can and be forgiven… she’s not some type of god ❤
gonna say you could say the same thing about at least half the characters in the show Jayce Victor Hamsterdinger I could go on
Because Vi's mistake is on a personal level. Like people didn't hate Jayce for literally creating a nuke because it's nothing personal. But wearing an enforcer uniform hunting down her own sister, agreed to join the operation that used the same gas that torture her city for history, bring enforcer team to the place that she knew is both Jinx and her playground when they were kid. That's hurt on a personal level.
P/S : Caitlyn is more reasonable than Vi
@@cuongtranmanh3794 I see your point! I do think they all had very personal motivations to do what they did. Vi was faced with the most difficult of all and she is in no way responsible for what happened to powder. You can’t blame her entire mental health issues on that one slap that she knew was out of anger and sorrow for loosing her entire family. She’s always wanted to give jinx second chances and has done so throughout the show, out of love.
She follows caitlyn’s vandetta out of love too. I’m genuinely interested, how do you think she should have reacted when her sister killed her lover’s mom? :) She wants to take responsibility, and support cait in her way even if it’s not how she would have done it.
Cait did apologize in her way. She communicates a lot non-verbally. I think Vi understands her language. Her physical contact is quite poignant. I know people wanted to hear her say, "I'm sorry" but she did apologize. Her action to send all enforcers to the hex gates and to give Vi and Jinx the freedom to make their choices was a resolution and an apology. Her empathy and pause to touch where she hit Vi during THAT scene was filled with contrition. Cait's "I KNOW!!" was also filled with contrition and Vi's reaction told me she noticed. The animators may have showed Cait's apologies more than the script writers but they're just as meaningful.
Agree. I honestly don't understand why so much importance is placed on those words, as if by simply saying "sorry" one can magically fix everything. Without actions to back them up they're empty words. I would much rather see someone trying to improve and *show* me they regret what they did, it's much more impactful than a single word.
@@pugnera Agreed. More to the point, I think Vi would agree too.
It's not so much a sorry I'd be looking for necessarily, just more tender scenes between the two I suppose. Like if we could have seen Cait laying on the bed next to Vi i would have lost my mind
@ Yes, fully on board with more gentle, tender and even “day-to-day” (like eating at Jericho’s or Cait’s favorite place) moments between them. (Many minds would have blown with yours had there been pillow conversation). I was responding to those who criticize Cait for “not apologizing” to Vi. EDIT: just realized you may have been referring to 108 and not pillow talk per se.
Vi is also my favorite character, and I think the writers showed very well how lonely it is to try and care for everyone while both neglecting yourself and not letting other people really take care of their own messes.
I mean, she was not entirely responsible for Powder's trauma, Silco did transplant his "you were abandoned" ideas based based on his resentment towards Vander, and she was not responsible for Caitlyn not knowing how to face her first encounter with grief and loss and going off the deep end.
Either way, I feel for her... but I don't regret the Pitfighter Era one bit. I ate up that eye candy!
She was mostly responsible. Jinx was already in the making when Silco got to Powder, thanks to Vi not stopping the bull**** coming from everyone else around them. But in that same vein, Vander is to blame for Vi being overburdened at TWELVE.
@@fettel1988 So you think it really is the responsibility of a minor to shelter another minor from trauma when both of them have experienced war, being orphaned, poverty, and such?
Jinx is a product of her environment, but Silco clearly had a hand in turning her into his loose cannon and weapon maker for his own gain. I think his resentment and manipulation of her narrative was more poignant in creating and enabling the Jinx persona than anything her sister did.
It baffles me how people think an older teenage sibling with no support is entirely responsible for how the little ones turn out. The whole point of Vi's character arc is accepting that it wasn't her fault that everything went to shit, and that the only thing you can do for others is support them but letting them sort out their own problems.
@@GmadMachine As the only living blood relative, yes it's Vi's "job" to run full counter defense. Vi was the only living person at that time that Powder attributed any true value to, and it's why it broke Powder that *VI* of all people turned on her in the end.
Silco did nothing but make sure the pieces stayed together.
@@fettel1988 That's not how the real world works, but hey, you are entitled to your opinion.
Silco is a psychopath with a chip on his shoulder and a political dream that preceded whatever intentions he had towards Jinx.
Yes, he took her in and fed her and gave her attention, but he also told her that her sister "abandoned" her when he had ordered Marcus to kill Vi on sight. Lying about that certainly sounds like "keeping the pieces together" to me.
He also pushed her to become a thug, a killer, and a terrorist, because he needed the muscle, and of course, she was also an asset because she is a brilliant scientist and weaponmaker, and he wanted Hextech because "Piltover was leaving them behind".
He "loved" her as a daughter, but he also used her and didn't allow her to have other support systems besides him.
Honestly, Silco apologists-pet-trolls are disgusting people. You clearly have very selective ways of picking what counts as abuse and what doesn't.
@@fettel1988 I'm sorry, but that is just not how the world works. Even if a minor is saddled with the responsibility of caring for a younger sibling, it doesn't mean that they have the educational and emotional resources to do a good job, much less absolutely shelter someone from a violent and difficult environment. I mean, not even an adult parent can do that, kids develop their own way, and the input they get doesn't only come from the actions of their caretakers.
Now, about your "make sure the pieces stayed together" bit, sure thing, love. You are entitled to your opinion.
However, Silco was clearly written as a psychopath who was dead set on making his political agenda happen.
Yes, he took Powder in, clothed and fed her, and gave her attention. He also ordered Marcus to kill Vi on sight, and then told Powder that her sister "abandoned her". I'm sure her pieces stayed together after that.
He also pushed her to become a thug, a killer, and a terrorist, because he needed the muscle, and a deadly weaponmaker because, of course, how could he not nourish Powder's STEM leanings. He certainly wasn't pressed to get his hands on Hextech because "Piltover was leaving Zaun behind."
Honestly, you Silco apologist-pets-trolls are disgusting people. You have very selective ways of picking what counts or doesn't count as abuse, and would say anything to flip a disgusting story of a man taking advantage of a neurodivergent and disturbed child for his own gain as the ultimate "father-daughter" fantasy.
I gave up on arguing with Vi haters three years ago. They condemn her for the dumbest stuff and then give Jinx all the passes in the world for some of the worst actions in the series. It's Older Child Syndrome being applied at an extreme and unfair degree.
@@PileOfMeh true, i even surprise that Vi gonna have haters, i genuinely thought she wouldn't have haters, but here we are still wondering why 3 years later 🤣
people who dislike vi GENUINELY piss me off. she lost her mom as a kid, had to take care of her younger siblings and had to hunt or whatever while trying to survive. she got put into prison as a young teenage girl, and was beaten there for 6-7 years. she has so much trauma, anger, and sadness from her childhood and she is still genuinely the sweetest person ever. but people have the audacity to hate on her bc she left punched and left powder in episode 3 (hint, hint, she didn't)
Yeah that's the thing they forget she was a kid too
Just goes to show why our society is the way it is. Lack of empathy and critical thinking regarding childhood trauma.
I've seen A LOT of hate towards Vi & Caitlyn this season. It's mostly from hardcore Jinx fans who are angry that Vi didn't immediately go after her sister when Cait found Vi in the cell. They completely ignore all the suffering Vi has endured. To them, Jinx's happiness is the only thing that matters.
Season 1 Vi was fantastic and people who hate on her are just as weird as the people who hate on Powder for the mistakes she made as a child.
Season 2 Vi on the other hand was written very poorly, and she made a lot of out-of-character decisions that framed her in a very bad light. Caitlyn as well......kinda. I still love Vi and Caitlyn but they were both done reeeeeal dirty this season.
@@cluster_f1575 ........Jinx is her sister.....and she just lost Isha. But Vi forgets that and bangs Caitlyn in the same cell as where Jinx was harming herself. I don't hate Vi or Caitlyn. But I do very much hate how they were written this season
This show has always been Show not tell. They showed that Cait regretted her actions, and Amanda did say in an interview that Cait’s apology to Vi was that she let Vi choose what she wants to do w jinx. Even if there’s a slight chance that she might lose Vi forever. We don’t really need to hear the words, her actions speak louder actually. But I get why some ppl want to hear it, I prefer the other way. That’s what makes this show so unique in their story telling, through beautiful visuals and music.
I completely get you. I think me wanting to hear words is just a sentimental thing, I love the way they show not tell in this show, dont get me wrong
I think a lot of people don't understand the nuance of show dont tell because a lot of what has been produced previously is so very explicitly tell, dont show. If Fortiche had been given a broader depth in which to explore and flesh out things futher, I feel like we would have gotten some scenes where certain conversations could have been had. However, thats why fanfics exist right now, to give us those imagined scenes!!
"This show has always been show not tell." I hate that sentiment with a passion because it has always been objectively incorrect. The way Arcane works (in season 1, anyway) is show AND tell. If it's important enough to show, it's important enough for the characters to talk about.
In episode 1 we are shown Vi and Powder's parents dying and Vander adopting them, and in episode 2 he directly explains what happened. In episode 4 we are shown Silco and Jinx's dynamic, and in episode 5 Sevika says "She's like his daughter". In episode 5 we are shown that Silco has no idea Vi's alive, and in episode 6 and 7 he directly says that Marcus told him she died. In episodes 5 and 6 we are shown Vi's guilt about what happened to Powder and in episode 8 she tells Caitlyn exactly how she feels about it.
If you show important things but refuse to put words to them later, you are leaving plot points up to interpretation (another thing that Season 1 doesn't do but Season 2 does), which undermines the story by allowing misunderstandings to become a part of critical conversations. Or worse, you are making it clear to your audience that the thing DOESN'T actually matter, which will leave them wondering where the redemption is for a character like Caitlyn.
I'm sorry, but you need to stop injecting copium. Season 2 lost sight of everything that made season 1 good, and became exactly what the haters always accused season 1 of being:
A shallow vanity-project with overly artsy animation and a pretentious use of themes that makes it look immature.
@ mate, not everything needs a dialogue. If u take away the audio for instance, I can still understand the story through their face expressions, the colour, visuals. Sometimes u forget there are ppl who like me who have hard of hearing and English as 2nd language. I put subtitle on, but I don’t read all of them yet I still am able to put 2 and 2 together. Why? Cos the show is THAT good in storytelling through visuals. You just have to watch it carefully what each scene each frame they’re trying to convey.
You are entitled to your own opinion so do I. I’m just saying I am able to comprehend media in a way you can’t.
@@Nix-Kiramman If you are able to comprehend it so well, can you tell me where it's communicated that the Firelights are against Piltover enough to be willing to work with Jinx, as they seem to be in season 2? In what scene is it conveyed that Maddie is encouraging Caitlyn to keep the war going, or getting important information out of her? If there isn't one, then what was Maddie supposed to do? If Ambessa really trusted Caitlyn enough to be genuinely hurt by her betrayal, then when it is conveyed or forshadowed that she hired Maddie to spy on her?
I'm not denying that the show is good at giving hints as to what's happening through subtle details that you can use to figure out the story, but unlike Season 1, Season 2 completely *relies* on hindsight to make those scenes make sense. There is no reason to believe that Caitlyn's facial expressions are displaying regret for her actions until S2E6, where she helps Vi fight Ambessa and it becomes apparent that "she must've been having second thoughts the whole time".
This kind of ambiguity or hidden emotions is fine in a side character like Huck or Salo or Isha, but Caitlyn is _a protagonist._ Her entire character arc happened in the background through story beats that are never brought up again, and that's unacceptably bad writing. The same goes for Vi and Viktor, unfortunately, because despite the deeply emotional scenes in season 1, Season 2 took everything that made Viktor an interesting character out, only to replace him with a vessel for uncreative monologues about human nature that don't relate to his experiences at all.
While I think that Vi was on Caitlyn's mind during her absence (It's so obvious that Ambessa knows she's still in love with her and the same for Jinx). I would have personally described Maddie as the exact opposite of Vi. Maddie is small, sweet, gentle and never actually challenges or stands up to her. Vi is the opposite she's brash, passionate and doesn't hesitate to stand up to Caitlyn when she thinks she's going the wrong way. If you are trying to "forget" someone; going for their polar opposite is a fairly common tactic. It also explains why Maddie and Caitlyn don't actually "work" together, even if she wasn't a spy. If Caitlyn wanted someone like Maddie in her love life considering her looks and family, it would have been piss easy.
I love Vi a lot (one of my favorite characters). She's the golden heart of Arcane, IMHO. She wants care about everyone around her, but need (and uses to forget it !) someone cares about her (team Cupcake !)
And she's pretty and badass !
She is indeed
The reason it's called CaitVi instead of Violyn is because Vi existed in League and was already shipped with Cait for like 8 years before we learned her full name was Violet. There was no O
Also, interestingly, Amanda Overton answered a fan question saying that Cait would not keep her suspicions about Jinx a secret from Vi at the end, but that they're just that. Suspicions. There’s no actual evidence that she's right or any sort of trail for them to follow
Ah gotcha, and interesting on that second part. I really do think the writers are brewing something!
9:45 - so Amanda responded to an Insta DM just yesterday confirming that Vi knew. I will quote her reply.
"My interpretation is that there is no secrets between them based on what we showed in other scenes about Cait's need to be truthful to Vi. 😉"
I think with the wink emoji she is referring to the lex scene where Cait had to be truthful about Maddie before she could continue, as it was weighing on her.
Ah that's cute, I like that alot! Cool she answers dms too
@@ClaudieTV Oh yes, she's been doing that since before Season 1. She used to engage with fans in Twitter threads, but now she prefers DMs on both Instagram and Twitter. She's awesome!
i don't think caitlyn miss the shot when she shoot jinx's finger, i actually think she intentionally shoot her finger
and i also think the kiss is not a manipulation, i always think that is their way to promise they know they cannot keep.
- VI promised that she's ready to kill her sister, but we know she hesitated and then stop caitlyn to kill jinx. If she trully ready to kill jinx, she just gonna yeet isha and left caitlyn with a clean shoot, you also can see that Vi is holding her punch when fighting jinx, bcause later you can see what her punch can do to warwick in eps 5, but when she punch jinx in the gut, her punch basically did nothing to jinx.
- Caitlyn promised she wouldn't change but Vi and Caitlyn herself know that she already changing. and i don't know why cut these scene but i saw a photo of the deleted scene when Caitlyn having a breakdown after she got out from the tunnel after hitting Vi with her gun. i think they should keep that so we know that Caitlyn is already and always feel guilty about what she did to Vi.
i can share the link if u want to see it.
I like Vi a lot as a good written charakter with massive trauma to fight of. People who hate her, don't understand ptsd and loss in my opinion.
12:48 your delivery of the word “fine” was the equivalent of how Caitlyn said “predictable” … perfect 😁
Hahaha not as suave tho
@@ClaudieTV humility is a great quality 😉
Given the stranglehold Disney has had for so long, with its ability to buy up small up and coming studios like Pixar, it is refreshing to see there is still the ability to create fresh content.
Yup agree
You really went through _all_ the questions from the community post?! 😉 (/caitlyn voice)
On a more serious note: I can't tell you how cool it is to have found someone who shares so many of the same views on Vi's character, Claudie! Every time you're talking about her in these Q&A videos, I'm just sat here smiling and nodding along haha. I think it's safe to say Arcane is one of my favourite shows ever, but Vi in particular might end up being my favourite literary character of all time.
Part of it is definitely because I strongly relate to her personally, having a younger sibling and sharing some of her character flaws 😅 But even putting personal bias aside, I just love the way she's written. How she always wears her heart on her sleeve, how she stands up for others, how she faces adversity... She's such an undeniably _good_ character, but she's so complex too. This show never shies away from showing the potential pitfalls of her (typically considered "good") character traits, such as her selflessness or protectiveness, when taken to an extreme. I think that makes her a really interesting and unique character ❤
Of course, I would feel awful if I left some out! And yes I adore Vi, for sure!
I’m glad this channel loves Vi she’s my favorite I never have heard you mention a scene when Vi finds Caitlyn after the battle in ep 9 I really think so much of that soft tenderness we where missing this season could have been expressed 💕🫶😍
Yeah I would have loved that scene too
@@ClaudieTVthank for replying I love you Chanel wishing much success
Vi is my favorite hero of all time. They hate her 'cause they ain't her.
21:55 I think the appreciation of Vi and maybe Ekko etc. just got cut out, that's why it's such a bummer that the season was only 9 episodes long. Because I think they just wanted to end the story with Caitlyn and Vi asking each other whether they're up for the challenge of buliding something new and healthy (talking about that "are you in this fight" "I'm the dirt under your nails" thing), so they just skipped over some of the potentially very important other scenes. In example it would be cool if they highlighted Sevika actually receiving the permission to be in the Council, because we see her taking Cassandra's seat (!!!) which is very important and it was probably THE Kiramman seat, so Caitlyn probably just gave it up to her. And highlighting this would add much more depth to Cait's redemption arc as well. Instead we just see her sit on some chair and if it wasn't for some of the viewers' eagle eyes nobody would even know that the seat was Cassandra's.
23:38 I think Caitlyn not having an on-screen scene of thinking of Vi doesn't mean she didn't think of Vi. This show proved time and time again that they like subtlety and symbolism. So like you said - it's pretty much heavily implied that she does nothing but think of Vi in one way or another, almost subconciously. I think it's also implied in the scene with Singed when he talks about love and shows his daughter to Cait and Ambessa, there's a very interesting change there in Caitlyn's expression, very subtle, but straight to the point at the same time. One other thing - I can see her actually hallucinating that it's not Maddie but Vi in the bed with her. Does that make sense?
Great video, enjoyed the Q&A a lot, take care Claudie!
yeah that's what i think too, it got cut out! And thank you :)
Loving all your arcane videos :) I would love to see some of your art video ideas and music one too!
They'll be on the way. They are in the pipeline just a lot ahead of it over the next 14 days or so
It seems that today is Caitlyn's birthday 🎉🥳 aaand coincidentally there was a leak of storyboards from that prison scene, also of a cut scene of Vi from when she was still in prison in season 1, I recommend looking for it lol I needed to share it because I just saw it 👀🤭 and it might be useful for your analysis of that scene hahah
I keep trying to find it but no one is leaving links, i just need them spaced out without the dot com or youtube deletes them lol
Ahhh I can’t find it neither!!!
Thank you for another vid. Always fun to sit and chill with you and the Claudie Community. Look forward to the next time. Cheers.
Thank you pal!
11:30 I'd just love to see Vi and Warwick teamup, imagine the sheer combined brute force of father daughter duo decimating everything
and yeah, would love to watch a video of such a tierlist, go for it! 🙏
Yeah would be fun, right now the duo vs ship poll on the community post is 50/50 LOL
here's a thing, first of all. iam straight, BUT i really really deep in love with cait and vi relationship since season 1, and i still can't get over it till right now, i also custom my back jacket with a embroidery picture of CAITLYN. oh god i love her so much
Ah that's cool! I want to make the jacket too
22:25. The dialogues and the image of Cait in the darkness frame his thoughts towards Vi. The scene of Cait staring at nothing in the darkness of an immense dark room (S2,4) reflects her deep sadness and loneliness. Unable to sleep, SHE IS OVERWHELMED BY THOUGHTS, GUILT, AND THE LINGERING MEMORY OF VI. When Maddy asks her a question, Cait responds while gazing into the emptiness where her thoughts had been before Maddy interrupted: "I don’t know what I was thinking"-A LINE THAT ECHOES VI'S REPROACH when rejecting the badge: "You didn’t think it at all." (Back then, Cait offered the badge to Vi envisioned a life by her side, overcoming everything, but she failed to grasp the complexity of that reality). As Cait continues and says, "But it wasn’t this," she makes a subtle gesture, almost pointing behind her gaze-toward Maddy and the chaotic and empty life she is living now.
23:45 , I kind of disagree here, how I saw it was Caitlyn lost her innocence/naïveté throughout season 1 (being exposed to the undercity, losing her mom etc), so that in season 2 she’s more brunt, and brutal,which makes her seem colder however it’s just her logical based way of thinking without that layer of innocence that makes her come off as cold. Vi was cold in season 1 because she was hurt and angry, so I think there’s a big difference there. Loved this Q&A type of video, it’s so interactive and fun! Your subs are growing so much, congratulations!!!!
23:30. To your point about Caitlyn not sharing her feelings. We see in episode SE201 that she shared her feelings and what she thought to Jayce as exposition which was very done. At this point she just lost her mother and it was still fresh and she was grieving. There was also the shower scene in SE108 where she was explicitly thinking about Vi walking away from her in rain in reverse as if trying to figure out what ahe could have done differently.
You have fair points. I just wanted to point these out.
13:10 Cait's uniform does seem needlessly complex. She has her high-waisted pants, a black turtle-neck, a cropped jacket and something that I can only assume is a girdle-like garment, which may or may not be part of the jacket. It's visible when Cait walks into the cell and leans against the wall, but it's gone after the jacket is slipped off so I don't think it's part of her pants. That's all I've got for that one.
10:30 the Jinx and Silco relationship, imo is very simple and so complex. I think they both loved each other, obviously as a parent and child. Some people see way too much into it, based on a few scenes, such as when we first see grown-up Jinx interacting with Siclo, the "baptism" scene and when Jinx confronts Silco about Vi being alive and him keeping it from her. I don't think there's any incestuous relationship going on between them. I think those scenes perfectly represent that love is not enough for a working and healthy parent-child relationship. Silco is not a good father, and Jinx was so mentally and emotionally broken already when she met him, that even a perfect parent would have a hard time raising her right. So their relationship is simple cause they love each other as a father-daughter duo, but it's complex cause they are so not good for each other, they're a bad influence. Those scenes that people mention as evidence that something more is there, show their dysfunctional father-daughter relationship, nothing more.
I LOVE Vi she is my fav i Arcane then after Vi is Caitlyn, and them together my god what i power couple they are❤❤❤
I think Silco knew Powder and knew she was Felicia's Daughter he was just playing dumb and that's why he loved her so much as a daughter. I mean she shot him and his reaction was "don't be sad, you're perfect" Only a father would say that. Yes he was a bad influence on her and didn't help her with her psychosis and more or less fed it. I have to wonder how many times he blew up at her like when she killed those 6 enforcers without his say so. I'm thinking not very often.
If I need someone to show up and have my back, I will always pick Vi. Vander said to her: “You got a good heart, never lose it, no matter how the world tries to break you.” Again, great questions and engaging conversation. Nice way to enjoy my day after house cleaning duties 😂
Love that!
Vi became Violet. Both prison scenes from 2se8 show this. At this stage, Vi has decided to stay regardless of what Powder does (because here we are dealing with Powder, not Jinx). Vi asks, even begs Powder to use her skills in the fight against Ambessa, but she does not suggest escaping together. Powder (not Jinx) knows that Vi will never leave her and, although drastic, makes the only right decision in her opinion (suicide). He has to lock Vi up otherwise she won't let her go. And for me the most important scene: Caith and Vi but at the very beginning - when Vi becomes Violet: she admits her weakness, says that she makes wrong decisions and thinks that now she has lost Caith even more. And Caith's facial expression when Vi begins her monologue with the words "say it" - full of compassion and love. In a split second her face changes.
And E9 - the moment when Violet is completely terrified because she has something to lose, the stakes in this war have increased significantly and Caith squeezes her hand. And as for Vi's emo phase - well - I guess it's lesbian after all :D after a week together and one kiss (uhaul like nothing) 3 months of sobbing and anger just to get back together. As they say: lesbians break up as many times as a cat has the number of lives - so far we've counted 3 (of course, I'm kind of joking and partly not)
Bit of a ramble below lol, but you talked a little about how Caitlyn shows her feelings with actions instead of words, and it has me wondering just how intentional it was that Caitlyn and Vi sort of… talk quite similarly to the way that they fight??
Almost like “a practiced attempt to accurately and efficiently complete a task” vs “a skilled but mostly instinctual exchange of blows”
Cait talks like she's keeping you at a distance. Like words are bullets, both precious and deadly, that you don't want to use without an important, practical purpose. To convey information, to make a plan of action, to ask questions that matter. The only people she uses it to do anything impractical with, like… convey an emotion or make a joke? Are Jayce and Vi, and even then it's a rare thing
Vi talks like words are hands. They never run out, and they can be used for many purposes; to heal, to harm, to trick and deceive, to build, to break, to draw people in and make them feel cared about. But in a way, just like her hands, through much of Arcane she's kind of forgotten how to use them as anything other than a weapon and is having to relearn it. When Vi is angry or hurt or afraid, her instinct isn't just to attack with her fists. She also attacks with her words
Throughout the series, she uses them to insult or antagonize Vander, Mylo, Powder/Jinx, Caitlyn, Sevika, Ekko, Silco, the council, Jayce, Maddie, Loris, Huck, Ambessa, the list goes on! While Caitlyn, on the other hand, saves her verbal ammunition for people she believes are guilty of terrible crimes. The “animals” who attacked the memorial, the “monster” who created Shimmer, the “abomination” that caused the slaughter at the prison, the council that “doesn't give a shit” and totally failed the undercity, and sadly Vi who she sees at the time of s2e3 as having betrayed her to protect Jinx and let her get away with the big gas attack
And theeeen we have the “angry oil slick” line, which is basically the only time in the entire series Cait actually tries to be insulting for something smaller than like… a full on terrorist attack, because at this point she is still trying to keep Vi at a distance but clearly isn't very good at it. Which is maybe why Vi finds it funny more than anything when she does it?? It's so wildly out of character to a degree that it's kind of silly. Meant to be all intimidating and angry but tips over into trying too hard and not quite nailing it, causing Vi to already maybe question how much Caitlyn has actually changed after all
Best Topside and Undercity duo, okay Listen..
Cassandra & Silco
I think they will achieve anything if that happen haha
Anyway, regarding q&a, maybe you should do it after every series or movie you watch? Like, maybe longer for series, and maybe fews for movies cause I think its always fun to watch and then discuss about movies/series we loves, just like this Arcane one 😊
Yeah for sure, will defo be doing it after Blue Eye Samurai for sure :)
9:36 I thought about it too, that Cait could've said something to Vi here to comfort her and say " Hey, I think your sister might be alive." But we and Caitlyn know Vi, if there is a chance of her little sister being alive she would be a goner and would've tried to find her. I love this kind of sibling storytelling sooooooo much, that's why I love the show Supernatural. The bigger sibling who takes care of the younger one and tries to protect them from anything, but get's hurt multiple times on the way in the story. I get it why Cait said nothing to Vi, but in the same time I just want the sisters together maaaaaaaaan 😭 Btw I love watching your Vids Claudie 💙 Keep up the good work 🥳💞
Yeah very true!
And thank you so much :)
It was always pretty clear to me that Silco genuinely loved Jinx. She did a lot of questionable things that made his life significantly harder and even though he gave her shit for it, he never turned on her. Even when everyone around him told him she was nothing but trouble, he stuck with her. Much like a parent would. Even at the very end after she shoots him, he comforts her and tells her she's perfect. It was actually very sweet.
Theirs a lot of comics/fanart out there for arcane, it’s not necessarily my thing so I haven’t seen a lot of it, however I’d love to see you react and go through some of the amazing art that’s out there! Could be a cool video idea
Yes I'll note it down, might be after I watch Blue Eye Samuri though, got alot on the schedule haha
Really looking forward to continuing animation analysis. French animation studios have really raised the bar with the 2D-3D mix capabilities.
The main issue is "some" people are oblivious to the pain, suffering, chaos Vi has and is going through. To expect "normal" (whatever that means....) logical, rational behaviour is simply missing the point. The storyline is around human behaviour, love and passion with all is ups and downs, flaws and imperfections ("There is no price to perfection. Only an end to the pursuit" ..." parallel). "Side note: Do you have a Patreon option?"
Thank you for pondering my topside/undercity duo thingy. Trust me - I've got some ideas...
The "Getting Things Done" Duo - Cassandra and Vander (Cavander)
The "No Talk - Just Beef" Duo - Warwick and Loris (WAR LORIS!!)
The "Instantly Ruin ANYONE'S Day" Duo - Maddie and Smeech (:vomitnoise:)
Love those haha!
If you hate Vi probably show a litte of lack of empathy, beside a poor understanding of the narrative.
I don't hate Vi 😂 you mean others?
@ of course I know! Sorry I dont write it correctly? I mean the others! So sorry (English is not my language) ( I know you love Vi too)
@@viscuitmile296 Nah nah I was only kidding haha, sorry my reply was sarcasm, don't stress haha
(Sorry for the double post. Saw the title of this video and thought I'd add this here, as well)
So, there are two camps.
There's one group who dislikes Vi as a character because they think she was too hard on Jinx from the beginning, and they empathize with Jinx more than her. So, that group has always hated Vi throughout the course of both seasons.
Then, there's another group who likes Vi as a character, but disliked that she seemed to lack agency in season 2, which to be fair is true for a lot of the cast, as the story became more plot-driven than character-driven in season 2. Their criticisms of Vi are a direct result of the change in the narrative structure of the show.
An example is the sex scene after Jinx locked Vi in the cell:
Group 1 hates Vi for not going after Jinx and stopping her from self-deletion and believes that Vi has always been too harsh and uncaring towards Jinx.
Group 2 thinks that Vi should've taken more initiative to go after Jinx because they believe that's how she would've acted in season 1.
If you're in group 3, like me, you think that it's way more obvious to the audience than it is to Vi that Jinx is going to go self-delete, and it's ridiculous to expect her to know it in the moment.
15:24 "that's where it [twonk] comes from". I swear that evening I googled it and the twink one too and made sense haha. In some urban dictionary or something I found "the meaning", but then the google doesn't know haha
Loving the tartan!
18:12 I was literally thinking of asking this exact question for the Q&A, so I'm glad SOMEONE asked it! Violyn is a MUCH better ship name, imo, and structurally it flows better when spoken.
And this is why fanfics are doing what the show didn't. So many of the ones I've read give Vi the therapy she desperately needs, because Vander made her carry a weight that wasn't hers to carry. And then she spent nearly half of her life, at that time, in Supermax prison. And THEN we never even bothered to stop and ask "How is Vi"
Yeah exactly, there was never 'hey, you ok kiddo' for Vi. For everyone else their was. Jayce checking on Caitlyn. Sevika even shadowed Jinx a little , right? Nothing for Vi
Like many people online, I also prefer the writing of S01 to that of S02 (mostly because the later is a bit rushed and many possibilities or character pairing are not explored).
However, I think Riot & Fortiche did such a good job defining all the characters in the show that there is enough opportunity to explore this stuff post mortem through "what if" discussions, fan fic or (still waiting for it) comics/Arcane re-edits.
Also, the Claudie dictionary keeps growing: piss biscuit, twonk, ... What could be next?
Yeah agree, and yes no idea why I seem to keep updating my vocab lol
It's not the writing though. The writing in S2 was perfectly fine on its own. It's the way the show is cut in S2 that doesn't work.
In isolation, every event in S2 is good if not better. *But* what we lost was the nuance. So1, we were paced almost day to day. So2, we were vignettes separated by months. It's literally like an entire year from ep 3 to ep 4. It's why it's downright *shocking* to the viewer that Cait "moved on" and Vi is an underground prize fighter just nebulously located in their world.
13:50 Here's the only other time I've encountered the word 'Twonk' (about 50secs in if you want to skip) ua-cam.com/video/_qIkXfxyB-8/v-deo.htmlsi=65jnesz2tohp0ntP
Haha had no idea it was even a word 🤣
Any time I hear the word "Twonk", that's *exactly* the scene I picture. 🤣
maybe some people don't like heimerdinger bcause he's one of people that responsible for oppression of the people in zaun, you know he's the one that found piltover, and also head of the council for more than 200 years, and basically did nothing to help zaun. after he got kicked from the council then suddenly he wanna help zaun. if he didn't meet ekko in the bridge i think he's just gonna back to piltover and just ignore them again?
True
Vi really only gets hate from really hardcore Jinx fans who just seem to dislike everyone who is opposed to her at any point in the narrative (expect Ekko apparently lol) and idiots who think she should have mind reading powers or something and just KNOW her sister was suicidal.
They usually love silco too, who undoubtedly caused jinx the most suffering and harm. It’s mostly just vi and cait who get the “you wronged jinx in some way so I don’t like you” treatment from her fans, which is odd but unsurprising
@@scarlettwisteria oh god Caitlyn is a whole other story, a huge part of the fandom just completely discounts her trauma and grief because she Rich and a cop (and from Piltover) and then comedically exaggerate the bad stuff she did (and yes she did lots of genuinely morally messed up stuff in S2 obviously) to absolutely ridiculous levels (IE so we are shown she used the grey to clear out areas to perform raids on the Chembarrons, civilians got caught in the crossfire which is bad, to SHE GASSED ALLLLL OF ZAAAUNNNN AND NEVER FELT ANY REGRET ABOUT ANYTHING DESPITE ADMITTING SHE CAME TO HATE HERSELF). It's immensely frustrating and makes it almost impossible to have a good conversation about her character and arc on a bunch of sites and some of her antis actively harass Caitlyn heavy fan artist and stuff... her hatedom is somehow more obssessed with her than her fandom... and yes a bunch of them are ALSO Silco Apologist.
@@thewalrus45 exactly! That’s what’s most irritating. Caitlyn isn’t allowed to have any nuance or feelings because she’s a rich cop and doesn’t have her trauma showcased by flashy colourful scribbles so it’s not real apparently. It’s impossible to have any semblance of a productive conversation or you know, actually discuss the things we saw play out on screen because people just want to have a sense of moral superiority. It’s exactly like you said, they belittle what she went through and over-exaggerate the things that she did do. If you even attempt to talk about her character outside of just blind hatred people will flood in to accuse you of the most insane things
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I just thought of something great.
So what if in the spin off series, one of the characters gets invited to a wedding for Piltover and it ends up being Cait and Vi and they show up as a cameo?
Or they need help from Piltover and they say something like "you can get help by Piltover finest." And they show up
That would be very cute haha
If you're looking for some other content, you might want to watch some Character teaser videos. Ekko: Seconds is really good.... And to answer your questions about the crows and ravens. In arcane specifically, there are a few Noxian overseers that aren't mentioned at all, but something that people playing the game would know. The leader of the Black Rose is Leblanc, and the ravens specifically here belong to Swain. Swain and Leblanc don't get along so he spies around with the raven to figure out what she's doing basically. In the Twist of Fate cinematic you saw, the crows belong to Fiddlesticks. Fiddlesticks is a demon of fear, always showing up along with death. Terror in Demacia... that's another teaser vid. Good luck with that one tho.
According to my algorithm in Threads, today it's Cait's birthday... So, she's capricorn, it makes perfect sense.
HAHA! Oh that does make perfect sense! I wonder what Vi is!
@@ClaudieTV Vi's birthday is Dec 19th, so I guess she is Sagittarius?
@@ud2278 Ah interesting
Most hardcore potential pairing that isn't in the show? Vi and Embessa.
A Vi learning guile and weapons training and with Embessa removing or even just toning down Vis more ethical aspects would be a legitimately terrifying pairing.
I'd also have loved to see Vi kick Embessa around Piltover to save Cait at the end.
There is a new sort of leak of Caitvi love scene storyboard, I’m sure you could easily find it on social platforms, though some part of it got covered up cuz of China censorship (the original post / leak was from China platform). Maybe you could analyze these storyboards together when you do your science investigations?? 👀 fyi, storyboard artist Joséphine Meis was nominated for Best Storyboarding at the Annie Awards for this episode🎉
It’s on UA-cam now ua-cam.com/video/Or01hzKSrZc/v-deo.html
I got it and screen recorded it! Will be using it in my analysis don't you worry, it will be coming soon, after the Blue Eye Samurai stuff :)
"and I would have wanted almost the characters to stand up for Vi"
Maddie did. Before she was used subsequently ghostdumped by Cait.
Did she, or was she just working for Ambessa all along?
@@ClaudieTV On one hand, we see Ambessa teasing Caitlyn, pointing out the risks and unwise nature of banging a subordinate, with Maddie even actively trying to convince Caitlyn to oppose Ambessa's plans. On the other hand, Maddie's initial portrayal as a starry-eyed admirer of both Vi and Caitlyn seems authentic (we don't see a single hint to make us doubt this - it's a literal 180°), making her being (apparently wordlessly) dropped by Caitlyn a compelling motive for her vengefulness and subsequent betrayal.
I don't understand where people get the 'she was a spy all along' thing from - it's definitely not portrayed by the story I have seen play out on screen.
@@WoJoFe Maybe, Maddie is Noxian tho, so she came with Ambessa no? That's the theory
@@ClaudieTV Haven't seen her passport. I hear this theory is inside the Overton window but I haven't seen anyone linking a primary source. Given what *E2 itself* tells us she is not a spy imo. I find it hard to believe this has become such a popular theory. Ironically this might be a good example of "how easy it is to hate them".
@@ClaudieTV I believe we haven't seen Maddies passport. I hear that theory is inside the Overton window but I have yet to see a primary source confirming it. In any case (Noxian or not), why would the show divert from its usual show don't tell (and certainly don't tell via social media) paradigm on a plot twist with a weight like that? I have no problem with that particular theory (except it's a bit of a low quality plot twist), it's just not what S2 shows us. S2 shows us Caitlyn rejecting the woman she used as a rebound, apparently without even talking things through once. Why do people look for a 'she was a spy all along' narrative when the obvious 'Human, all too Human' thing is staring us in the face?
Your guess is as good as mine but psychologically speaking I'd say it is because they want Violyn untainted...
Not sure if Claudie is interested in reacting to other creators but it would be interesting for her to watch Necrits video "League's Universe Explained For Arcane Fans"
Yeah a couple of people mentioned it, I'll note it down :)
Like Babette said to Vi, "Silco's second is a regular", We are here in the comment section are regular "Twonks" . Welcome to the playground I guess.
and also I think most of the people who can relate themselves to Vi's character, are metaphorically living in "prison", it's the guilts, responsibility, failures. And the hate towards her due her decision to choose herself and the love of her life, and I get it, as a queer person and an elder sibling choosing love over family, getting backlashes from friends and family is something heavy. I hope with time the audience hating her will grow up and will understand her better in later life.
20:13 Hmm, I never viewed the Kirammans as a matriarchal family. I always thought of them as Cait's mom comes from the bigger, politically more powerful and important family, so that's why she's on the council and that's why she's the one who brought the family name and not the dad. But if Cait for example would be a boy, the parents wouldn't have tried till they get a girl. Imo, the only important thing is to have an offspring so the name lives on, unless a Kiramman gets together with someone who's lineage is even more impressive.
The writer, Amanda confirmed it in a interview, hence why the paintings seen in the background are all women
@@ClaudieTV I see, outside of bridging the rift I don't really watch any interviews. I had the same thought about the paintings, I thought the lineage happened to be more or all women, but it makes sense both ways.
I feel like the limitation of only 2 seasons did all the characters (and Fortiche) dirty. The writers did very well to tie up such a vast cornicopia of stories in so few episodes, given all the threads that were left open at the end of S1. I'm hoping that now Christian and Fortiche have had such commersial success, they will be given more flexibility to tell longer form stories.
Yup completely agree! It's not an issue with the writing but the length they had to work with
Never understood the Vi hate.
Vi didn't know Viktor and jayce had refined the gemstones, so no, she didn't know what it was.
She could for sure figure it out eventually though
"Caitlin was thinking about Vi the entire time"
Well, Caitlin was thinking about Jinx the entire time. We are being shown this by seeing her fantasize about shooting her. I'd say whats plausibly going on is "Einer liebt immer mehr." i.e. one person is always in love more (than the other). In S1 it was Cait, in S2 it is Vi.
Personally don't follow your viewpoint. Don't believe one can 'be in love more than another', Caitlyn shows, with her actions, not her thoughts or hallucinations. If you look at her actions she's distracting herself from Vi
@@ClaudieTV "Caitlyn shows, with her actions, not her thoughts or hallucinations. If you look at her actions she's distracting herself from Vi"
I could literally cite both Ambessa and Vi on whether Caitlyn is distracted, they are both arguing she is not. = ) We only see one scene of her actively 'distracting herself' right after the breakup and quite a few of her being on the hunt for Jinx/vengeance.
"Don't believe one can 'be in love more than another'"
I think this is a thing painstakingly obvious in most relationships I have witnessed, fictional and real, closeup and from afar. Are we using the same definition of love here? I have hard time imagining we do while still arriving at such different conclusions.
Would like to recommend one of the best psychological thrillers ever made called the Handmaiden. Its a korean film released in 2016. I think you'd really like it. Side note: the main couple is infact wlw haha
The Handmaiden was good, but a little too 'male-gazey' for my liking, so I couldn't really empathize with the women (that's just my opinion). I prefer the miniseries "Fingersmith", which is another adaption of the same book and came out in 2005 in the UK. You should check it out, if you haven't seen it! :)
@Amipalovestwilight yh I strongly disagree on it being male grazy.
MOVIE SPOILERRRS AHEADDD!!!!!!...THAT scene adds greatly to the plot which shows us that the lady knows more about sex than we were lead to believe and also tells us how all those readings have subconsciously affected her.
In my opinion, taking out those scenes or reducing the amount of explicitness would not fully make us understand the extent of the lady's characterisation and trauma with the readings.
I have seen fingersmith though, it's also good in its own way.
@@eyesopened9014 It comes down to personal taste, I guess, since the movies have a very different feel to them. I know that a lot of people loved the Handmaiden and I think it's definitely worth a watch :) It's also a big step for a conservative country like South Korea to make a movie with a lesbian lead couple in it, so that's great! But personally I just liked Fingersmith more.
@Amipalovestwilight fair enough. Fingersmith bbc too was good !
Vi best character
She always prioritized protecting others and was the only one who was not disappointed by Jinx
So many shows think any visibility is good visibility that it is easy to see they haven't spoken to a single queer individual before throwing a storyline out there. For a long time, queer characters were more harmful than anything because they only showed negative stereotypes.
I think thats why Wynonna Earp has such a rabidly loyal fanbase. They put quality above all.
18:15 I don't why they stuck with Caitvi as a ship name, is not bad, is just not clever. Violyn sounds better. But the ship name they used to have before Arcane was Piltover's Finest
Okay. I understand Vi for everything she did. But I can't find sympathy with her. Vi consciously understands that every choice she makes is wrong. I feel pity for her. Both Vi and Jinx tried to do the right things but ended up in jinx. While I think Vi is very dense when it comes to emotional intelligence, that's her character. The show didn't even redeem her character by letting her make a decision that she doesn't regret. Some might say that Vi chose to stay with Cait in the end is the right decision. But does it?
I recently discovered you, I loved your reactions to both arcane and to the cinematics of league of legends (not all yet😉) I also find this lack of understanding and empathy towards Vi unbearable and I am of the opinion that the "fans" of Jinx (those who do it in a negative way) hating Vi show that they have not understood anything even about Jinx. Fortunately there are many more people who understand the characters (everyone).
Thank you! And yes, there's alot of Jinx fans that hate on Vi
oh hard agree on how uninspiring media has been lately. the last tv show i actually kept up with as it was current, bought dvds, all that, was nbc's hannibal (def something to react to int he future if you can handle some gore. it's not at all like arcane, but it's lush and dense in a way that makes me think of arcane).
vi doesn't have to be told jinx lived, they're in the same room at the end scene. cait isn't keeping a secret - it would be absolutely terrible story telling if she did - vi could just look over and see cait at the microfiche with the monkey bomb. i was really confused as to why people thought cait was keeping that from vi.
I agree, V's not dumb she knows for sure, but a part of me thinks Cait not ever mentioning it, seems odd
Can you please do the caitlyn knee thing 😅😅😅
Like me do it, or me analyse it?
The analysis is on the way for sure!
@ClaudieTV I only realised when you said it
Awww, I thought Killing Eve was next.
Its on it's way, but wanted a shorter series, Killing eve is alot
@@ClaudieTVUnderstood, I will be patient, your reaction is worth it!
I'll start by saying that I love Vi. But what makes me angry is her being obtuse. She's stubborn, she has very little love for herself, she thinks Jinx and Caitlyn's problems are her fault. Vander's fault for putting these things in her head since she was a teenager. do you also think that Vander was the one who caused problems especially for Vi? he unintentionally caused her strong feelings of guilt towards her family
She was a teenager, and everything went wrong. She was to the top of the chain too, so for her she was responsible. That's why she beats herself up
@@ClaudieTV Vander really lays that on her though when he tells her "Whatever happens its on you" Lot to put on a mid teens shoulders
Blond chambaroness = Margot... And carefull with anwser because it's confirmer that augments on her face make her appear way younger then she really is (she more then 80 or something like that) =)
btw. speaking about Catlyn's clothes in "that scene" can anyone explain me how was Caitlyn able undress Vi's top without undress her pants first? Because her top is basically bodysuit right?
NO... never Violyn... ALWAYS CAITVI!
I don't know about Caitlyn's autism... i mean... it is true that in shortstories she obvioulsy suffer by her workoholism... and Riot never poited out anyting about autism in her case... (which is kinda weird because in case of Aurora they literaly said that SHE IS a autistic even before her release)
As you said... YES Caitlyn was thinking about Vi every single day... Maddie = shortie... short ginger hairs... blue eyes... FRECKLESS!!! If anyone isn't able see that then he's just hopelessly LOST! xD
Who in the hell hates Vi? She is the best character
Die-hard Jinx fans basically!
please make timecodes for videos of this format )
Why CaitVi winning vs Violyn (VIOLet and caitLYN)? Or Brangelina, Mondler (MONica and chaNDLER) no fancy anymore? :)
You need to react to:
Imagine me and You
Happiest season
The half of it
I can't think straight
Booksmart
Saving face
Yes or no
Debs
All are really cute movies
noted already IMAY and also Booksmart looks really good yeah!
Add 'Bottoms' please I would love her to react to that chaos 😂
Mel and ... Sevika?? 👀👀 Don't look at me like that.
I'm for it tbh, but for a ship or duo haha
@@ClaudieTV 👀 both. 💥💥
@@mrsschwester27 Fair enough lol
Is very interesting how in this Aracane world is a different society where homofobia doesn’t exist, bc gender expression and sexuality It is as varied and wide as the integration of other non-human species. Is curious how we have the same political and social problem as well , But they are an advanced and superior in social/cultural terms (gender norms, feminism, matriarchal order, diversity, sexuality expression) is like they erase all this nonsens of our world, WICH is great!
Sad there's no Arcane Bridging the Rift for 2 season..afterall if you interesting in some Christian Linke answering common questions with VA search Arcane Afterglow vids Act 1,2,3 etc.
Gotcha thank you
can you go a reaction on Agatha all along
Bro cait is not autistic well maybe just a little bit but besides that point keep doing what you’re doing and why is my favorite actually I can’t say that I have an unhealthy Obsession with Kaitlyn anyway
In your opinion, however I have Aspergers myself, and I see similarities there with Caitlyn and myself...
Opinion is opinion
Yes yes it is and I love your opinion also I have a theory so a lot of people say that like when they took jinx in she was raised by pirates for eight years and then after those eight years of training, she came back because if you don’t know, there’s actually different parts of maps or like I guess their world what I mean is there’s lots more of it than pulled over and Zaun
For me, my 'fan theory' revolves around the fact that alt vers Powder created her own Hextech and travels to the original vers, as confirmed by the scene where she places the piece of paper in the bowl to honour lost loved ones (S2 finale).
I believe the reason the show makes Vi think Jinx is dead is so she can meet alt Powder and heal her personal trauma, because that version of Powder was never broken by Vi calling her a Jinx. I think it can only be when Vi sees there is a version of Powder that grew up happy and well adjusted, that she will begin to forgive herself for the damage she did in her darkess moment.
NOOOOOOOOO i dont hate my natty (definitely not masculine) lady Violet 🌝🌝🌝
I will preface my comment by saying that Vi is probably one of my favorite characters of all time and the hate for her is unjustified. I, however will say that people being critical with how her story arc was written in Season 2 is fair. I'm one of those critics if we are being honest.
I have a theory for you.
People hate Vi? Really?
Yeah you'd be surprised, mainly die hard Jinx fans
@@ClaudieTV As a diehard Jinx fan I dont get it. I want them to be together and its not Vi fault that both their reconciliations are interrupted by things beyond their control
Why do people hate Vi? I'll try to explain it to you. Vi has 2 negative traits.
1) She has problems controlling her emotions (mostly anger, I guess).
2) She acts without thinking about the consequences.
Even if there were no Jace and the stones, Vi would still find problems for herself and everyone around her. Now let's talk about the mistakes/sins that Vi made.
1) The robbery of Jace's apartment. Vander clearly and distinctly said that no one should go to Piltover. Vi didn't listen to him. Because of the robbery and the explosion, Jace was tried and he almost committed suicide. There were consequences for Zaun too. The security forces, under pressure from the council, began to oppress the residents of Zaun. Vander did not offer any resistance. Therefore, Seivika and many others decided to side with Silko. All this mess gave Silko a chance to act. So we can say that Vi is to blame for the death of Benzo, Sheriff Grayson and other security forces except Marcus. 2) When Jinx offered to tell Wander about the stones, Vi told her not to. She didn't even take or hide the stones from Jinx. And when she went to save Wander, she could have left Jinx with Ecco. The result was that Jinx blew up the plant. In the explosion, many died (Wander, Milo, and Klagor) and were injured (Sinjet and Seivika). She also inflicted serious psychological trauma on Jinx. So it's safe to say that Vi got her prison sentence for a reason.
3) The Bridge. As soon as Jinx started acting, Vi immediately ran back. She left Ecco with Jinx. And after the explosion, she didn't try to go back for Jinx. And while she was lying in bed with Kate, her sister had to fight to survive.
4) She gave Jinx's name to the council. There is an unspoken law in Zaun. It doesn't matter what grievances there are between the inhabitants of Zaun. Piltover is a common enemy for everyone. Because Vi gave Jinx's name, Jace demanded that Silko give her up. If it weren't for that, the tea party might have turned out differently.
5) Relationship with Caitlin. If Vi hadn't hung out with Caitlin, then Jinx would have ignored Caitlin, wouldn't have kidnapped her, and wouldn't have tried to kill her (possibly).
6) Attack on the Shimmer Factory. Vi convinced Jace to attack the Shimmer Factory. The battle resulted in casualties. And among the casualties was the son of the chem-baroness Rennie, who attacked Piltover to avenge her son's death. If it weren't for the attack on the factory and the death of her son, the chem-baroness Rennie might have refused Ambessa's offer. And so, the attack also resulted in casualties.
7) Intervention in the battle between the chem-baroness Rennie and Piltover. The Piltoshki would have handled it themselves. Especially since Ambessa was there to help.
8) Becoming a security officer (this caused Jinx another psychological trauma). Helping in the poisoning of Zaun's people with gas. Destroying the production of flickering, which, by the way, was also used as a medicine (it saved Vi's life after the fight with Seivika, and it also saved Jinx's life) due to the lack of access to normal medicine and doctors. And the hunt for her own sister. And also ignoring the fact that Caitlin shot off Jinx's finger (thanks to Ambessa for gouging out Caitlin's eye. Too bad it was only one. Both eyes should have been gouged out. And the knife should have been thrust not into the side but into the groin area. So that Caitlin could not have offspring and enjoy herself).
9) Attempting to kill her own sister.
10) No sympathy or consolation after Isha's death. Instead, she came to beg for help for those who oppressed the people of Zaun against the Noxians who did the same. And after Jinx went to commit suicide, she did not go looking for her. Instead, Vi had fun with Caitlin in a cell. In the same cell where Jinx sat, suffered and was tormented.
11) And the last thing. Vi started messing with Vander's body. Because of which he woke up and almost killed her. Jinx had to save her stupid sister at the cost of her life (although we all know that Jinx is alive).
Let's summarize everything. Because of the mistakes that Vi made, many died and suffered. The worst thing is that in the end, Vi (and Caitlin) did not receive any retribution for their mistakes. Let her enjoy her happiness while she can. Retribution will catch up with her sooner or later.
To write this comment, I used a translator because I do not know English very well.
Google search purpose: "Caitlyns pants"...yeah very predictable for arcane enjoyer😂