Something I find that comes up time and time again with peoples early relationsionship with their deity is the issue of presence. Many people experience immediate intense attention and energy from their deity for an extended period but then suddenly their deity steps back and the practitioner will experience doubt and feelings of abandonment. Ive learened with my deity (Hekate) that we have periods of intense bonding and then she will withdraw because she wants me to stand on my own two feet and learn something. Its still slightly upsetting when she does this but its because Im a big scaredy cat when it comes to change and in those moments I know Ive got something to focus on.
Lily Pad its a healthy approach. Being switched "on" constantly would cause serious mental emotional burnout. People are to eager to rush to get to an end point that doesnt exist
@@annaarwen4345 I agree. I experienced this with The Morrighan and the first step back period, I felt confused, doubtful and wondered if I did something wrong, was found wanting in some way or if i had just been wrong about Her calling me in the first place, but I've learned a lot about finding ways to feel that relationship even when it's not a time when Morrighan isn't really involved in what I'm currently working on. Her energy is really intense and amazing, so having a sort of break from that intensity is a good thing. I've been spending the past year cultivating my relationship with Hermes this year, and though He has a lighter touch, Hermes' presence has been really active and something I've really needed, so when the off time comes for His work with me comes, I'm glad I'll know well how to deal with that and know it's not a punishment or abandonment, just a break that I might not realize I need but that the Godds see that I need. Also, deities are busy, lol. It helps to remind myself that They have their own business to be getting on with and I can't expect to just have Them on call when I need to feel that bond and I worship several deities so I don't want to let myself ever fall into habits of thinking I'm the center of any of Their existences when several deities make up my personal worship. I hope that made sense, I'm having a bout of sleeplessness and tend to ramble and get off track when that happens. Anyway, have a beautiful day!
I’ve experienced this as well recently with Diana/Artemis and have had to learn to stand on my own two feet and remember to feel the immense gratitude I have for my cosmic mother. She makes herself known to me often but she’s not constantly holding and nurturing me back to life the way she was. My healing ended up healing my real mother and bonded us in a way that I’d never had all my life. ♥️
OH MY GOD! I never ever thought that there would be a way to explain my beliefs in words(probably because I'm autistic) but I believe I was _led_ to your channel and specifically this video. You are amazing! Lots of love and blessings your way
The deities that I work with Oshun, Obatala, Elequa Yemaya are definitely real. And yes the results are definitely real. Thank you I so enjoy your videos. Much love to you.
This video was Fucking Amazing! You have brought so much clarity to a very foggy aspect, or lack of, into my life. Im suddenly so excited to dive in! Skepticism gone! Thank you oh so much for a very clear understanding! You ROCK!
When you talked about the concept of "realness", it reminded me of how many people consider experiences in video games and virtual realities to not be a part of reality. It's so strange - if nothing else, it's like dreaming or fantasizing, except many people can experience it together - sort of a consensus virtual reality. :) Saying "video games aren't reality" isn't true - they're part of reality, but sort of like a different dimension where everyone can perceive the same fantastical thing. I know it's a sort of silly comparison because video games are still a huge step closer to consensus reality than working with Personified Deity in most people's minds. But at least the comparison illustrates how different people can accept very different levels of virtuality as "reality". The more spiritual you get, the more you work your way up into accepting more layers of virtuality as reality. ;) What a jumble of words, I hope this is the least bit decipherable. :P
Thank you for this! I've found that I stumble over my explanation of my relationship with personified deity. They are real, but they're not. They are a part of me, but they are separate from me, and a part of so many other people as well. The language around this topic can be so clumsy, and I think you've articulated your viewpoint (and mine) very well. I tend to gloss over it all by saying I'm "agnostic plus" or "pantheist plus." More often than not, I don't discuss it all. Your video helps me feel wayyy less isolated in my beliefs. Thanks again 🌻
I’m blessed to run into your posts. They are a good confirmation for me that I’m not the only one who feels that not only do the ‘higher ups’ exist but they are also very much a part of our own energy and imagination as well. Thx Kelly-Ann. ✌🏻
very helpful =) tysm. I think a lot of my trouble in exploring this is that truth is really important to me. I feel like I was basically lied to a lot when I was growing up in a patriarchal religion and I don't want to deal with anything but the truth anymore. But I struggle big time is spirituality knowing what truth is. I also feel like some astral beings will have me believing they are a deity and the are just some astral being who gets an energy meal off my devotion and will tell me what I want to hear. Sometimes I hear people saying things like such and such goddess will knock you down if you ask the wrong questions or approach them wrong. And that sort of talk makes me back off a bit. I do long for a spiritual connection but having PTSD I need to feel safe as well. You have given me a lot to think about, ty =)
I do think a lot of that "X or Y god(dess) will knock you down if you don't approach them correctly..." has a lot to do with the fear-based mindsets that people bring over from organized religions and the vengeful god figure... Also a means of social control and posturing and self-reassurance in their newfound spiritual comfy place. I'm not here for that. Because you're right, it does both smack of and pull me back into trauma-mindsets.
I personally feel that a god or goddess would not feel the need to be so tyranical as to demand you ask the right question or if you approach them in the wrong way you get put down by them in some way. Or that a god or goddess would be so insecure that they have to act like a bully. My guess would be that if this is truly happening to the people who told you this...they are not communicating with a god or goddess.
Yes This is so fantastic. It was one of your videos about deity before that got me to finally let myself just accept that I wanted an experience with deity and it didn't matter if I could understand it or not. I just wanted to try it.
Thank you for expanding on this. I am in complete agreeance with how you explained that energies are real regardless if they are in this phsysical, material realm or simply an energy that is believed in. Once one manifests their own experiences with a personified deity or any archetypical energy, it is certain a very real thing.
I loved this video, thank you, Kelly-Ann! When I was starting on my pagan path, I often would feel silly, like "it doesn't make sense, it won't work" etc. But I would do stuff anyway, because that need for divine entity in my life was stronger. And now I'm more or less OK with the fact that I can't exactly explain everything. I'm just happy to experience those wonderful things! I revere a couple of gods and goddesses, but while they feel helpful and needed, there's one great Lady of my heart. She feels like Home. I come from a Catholic country that revers Holy Mother really strongly. I remember going to Mother Mary services in May, June and September with my grandma. The holiest icon/religious representation of Poland is the Black Madonna of Częstochowa and I have a reproduction of this picture on my bedroom wall. Through Mother Mary and how she is revered in Poland, I can see my old goddess, for the image of Mary overlapped with the native belief, when the Christianity came. People needed their Holy Lady, so she stayed.
Very interesting and thought-provoking as always! Have you ever read or heard of the book Re-Visioning Psychology, by James Hillman? A good chunk of it is devoted to explaining how gods and archetypes are psychic components while at the same time being foreign to us and having an autonomous existence of their own and, in that sense, they are absolutely real. I'm having the time of my life reading it right now, and I think it's the kind of stuff that could potentially be of interest to you. Much love 😘
Wow 😮 absolutely loved this video! You completely told me all that I’d been pondering and it totally jived with me. Very informative and I couldn’t stop looking at your hands 😂 you have THE most beautiful hands!!! 🤲
All I can say is... this hit hard. I feel like I was meant to see this and I have never felt that way before. As above, so below finally makes sense. Beautiful.
I wonder if you could do a video about working with 'the dark goddess', I feel like many of us work with the dark goddess archetype but it feels so complex and I'm personally only starting to understand the power of it. I also know how many different 'dark goddesses' there are, and how to we pick one/get 'chosen' by one/make one up, so although you've already kind of covered this in this video, I'd love to hear more about what you think about the process of finding one's own dark goddess deity and how it might work or look. Like for example: some people are adamant that a goddess (The Morrigan for example) chooses you, not the other way around (I think that's a load of BS) and I feel like there's a lot of misinformation/misinterpretation of what it means to work with dark goddess. I may not be making sense! xx
I cannot put into words how grateful I am that you shared this video today. You somehow managed to crack open a part of me, and with it I was able to receive a very profound and completely obvious message of love and nurturing from my Goddess. A message that I needed desperately but couldn’t receive until you reminded me that it’s safe to let go of ego and ideas that I’ve put in place to protect myself. I realized that I don’t really need some of those ideas to protect me. There isn’t an actual danger. By guarding against those imagined dangers I haven’t allowed myself experience the vast possibilities. This morning has been life changing for me. Thank you for being a crucial part of it. ♥️
Amazing timing! I've felt aspects of Greenman/pan/cerrnunos follow me for QUITE some time and have pushed it away a long time. But I can't anymore, I don't want to.
As a mother of two sons, I totally understand this. My boys are completely different - they even have different fathers. In fact, I have always referred to them as my "sun" and "moon." They are both my sons, but my relationship with each of them is totally unique. I imagine it is the same with a deity. He/she has a unique relationship with each of his/her children. Makes total sense.
i remembered about your account for the first time in like a year today, this most recent video happened to be about a topic i've been struggling with, and the energy you put for in your explanation has given me a feeling of great peace and strength, in many areas, not just those explicitly covered. so, thank you, very very much! (and i'd better subscribe so i don't forget again)
Thank you so much for this video, Kelly-Ann! I have been grappling with issues about how to explain my beliefs and interpretations when it comes to Personified Deity, and here you are articulating my thoughts way better than I could! It's also really reassuring to know that I'm not the only one who thinks this way and believes these things, for some reason ^_^
I found this really interesting. I know I don't need permission but I feel like your video gave me the permission I needed to even think about it. You mentioned Ancestors right at the end. I was wondering whether choosing a deceased Grandmother would be weird or not? Anyway thanks again for this wonderful free service! (much appreciated) Blessed Be !
Lots of people choose to request a relationship with a blood ancestor - it's really common and it works wonders for people. :) Many have specific ancestor altars with photos and possessions on them. You can find videos from witches and pagans who do ancestor work. I can't personally help with it as it's not part of my practice but it's a long way from being weird, honey! (Well, I mean, to some people ALL of this would seem weird, but you know what I mean!) Thanks for watching! x
I too appreciate Kelly's "permission" Funny how personal and independent this all is, but the human psyche is conditioned for acceptance... Ancestral work is hugely accepted in certain circles, and scoffed at in others.. I was told by a complete stranger on social media that I have an elderly woman visit me. From the description, it is my paternal grandmother to a T. Funny because she wasn't my favorite family member when she was alive but I was her only grandchild. I talk to her now, and ask her to help my mother with issues she has with my father (her son) and it's worked out surprisingly well.
I usually don't comment on anything I watch, but I've been trying new things. I've been watching your videos for a while, and I really appreciate your thoughts and empowering talks. I've always felt connected to a certain goddess, but I was always worried about my ability and the judgment of her other sons and daughters. This talk was just really inspiring, and it's given me the strength to try and explore it for myself - "sign off," if you will, on my own experience and let that be enough. Thank you!
Thank you so much for this video. I have been wanting to work with personified deity for a while but haven't been sure how to do it or explain it. You have made me realise I need to give myself permission to do it my own way and not worry about trying to explain it or do it 'right'.
Great exploration .. I can totally understand that feeling of curiosity, following that flow. Then having those conversations where as you say some of it is lost in translation and sitting with that, accepting it. I'm considering archetype in a similar way as to how I work with animal medicine, the only difference being I've been brought up with animal medicine and the archetype journey is much newer to me. At this stage it remains curiosity mostly that I am happy to follow & expand my exploration/understanding. Great food for thought, thanks.
Yes this is perfect! I need to put my thoughts together about how I feel on this topic too. It’s such an amazingly deep well of magic..... the yellow brick road yes! 🙌🧡
I'm feeling such a strong urge to thank you for this. Thank you for taking the time and energy to give others a glimpse into such a personal part of your life and practice. My own beliefs about my connection with the divine and my higher self have been tumbling around in my head (with very little form) for quite some time now. Watching this video has been like finally being able to take the bowl of brightly colored liquid out of the fridge, it has congealed, the jello is ready to enjoy.
Yes yes yes!!! You always make sense to me, I still don't have a personified deity, but I would love to, I also want to work with some transitioned artists. I know that is in the making, but lately I have been simply plugging into universal resonance, just to feel for a connection to all that is, (sometimes for a second that happens). I always appreciate how you articulate, and I am going to follow some of your suggestions. It may be time for another reading soon :) Thank you
Thankyou for this video, discovering you has been a treat and this video in particular has really helped answer some questions and doubts I had about the connection I have been forming with a deceased cultural hero and whether that was valid in terms of patron or connection. Now I'm doing some serious reflection as to whether he is approaching me as himself or as a face of a wider archetype that is trying to connect with me.
This video sounds like an additional sign from my personal pantheon and it comes at such a perfect time ahah! Love the synchronicity of it! I would like to thank you, Kelly-Ann, for all the wisdom you share, for all those clever reflections and your way to sparkle my mind... You're such an inspirational and beautiful soul. I would like to know (seeing you also mentionned the monomyth theory of Joseph Campbell) if you work with or integrate in your spiritual journey symbols/rituals/key features of the "equivalent figures" of Hel in other pantheon (I work with a divinity associated with the chthonian world and sometimes it's like these "equivalent figures" are brought to my attention and I feel like they are all different aspects of the same archetype)?
I would love to hear your thoughts about death from a pantheistic perspective and working with a death goddess. If that is something you feel called to talk about, of course! Your work is great!
I also think that the fact that you DON'T HAVE to explain how or why it works for you, or the nuts and bolts of your shifting inner landscape, is really important to spread around. I know a lot of my early and even recent hangups have all been centered around, "but what will OTHER PEOPLE think?" "How can I present myself as a truthful and sincere person if I CAN'T EXPLAIN EVERYTHING IN DETAIL?" ... And the truth of the matter is-- you don't owe that to anyone. Not even if you are wanting a spiritual businss and wanting to really be trustworthy and ethical and upfront-- there's going to be people who are goign to approach you with curiosity and good faith who are willing to take some things in stride and with trust because they get to know YOU, YOUR VALUES, YOUR VIBES, even if they don't understand everything, and there's going to be people who won't. And because you can't control that, you can really only decide who you'd rather interact with and go from there. Discard any fear of the other that is holding you back. Also another point I wanted to spring off of which what i just said-- it seems maybe like I've been projecting too much of myself into a business concept, like I had to explain my spirituality if I was to offer advice, free resources, or products... but it's worth reminding myself that I'm not selling or offering MY OWN PRACTICE... That's impossible. I can't offer someone else the inside of my head, even if i can find avenues to share some of it sometimes and pull wisdom from it.
I’ve worked with crystal skulls intensely this year and I think the way I work with them directly links to how you talk in this video! I totally see them as wisdom portals of sorts. I’m so interested in this topic it lights me up! I wanna try some new stuff now! Thanks for being inspirational! Do you still offer the tea with the goddess package? How much! With warmth jane x
While I've never had issue working with gods and goddesses i have had issue working with fictional characters archetypes. I had once tried to connect with characters from a game and show i loved from childhood but i felt just too silly to continue despite having a magickal framwork that is compatible with thought forms and such and would completely allow it. Its a very irrational feeling of foolishness and almost shame that consumes me if i try to go too far outside the magickal box if you will, despite beleiving completely that the minds of the collective could make fictional characters real energetically. As if somehow working with a fictional character betrays the seriousness of my practice. This video has got me thinking though and perhapse i will try to take another look at the entire dynamic within myself.
Have you tried working with them as an archetype instead? Or a "this fictional character is my power animal." Kind of way? (Poepbe boufay is my power animal, lol. As well as poepebe halliwell.)
Thanks you for the nice explanation. I was thinking of something, maybe strange question but I think you are open-minded enough to understand. Is it possible for me to create a own mantra so I can meditate on a person who died last year? I think I can use his energy because I admire his personality like business mindedness, helping the poor children with it programs on schools etc. Really being a example who was self-made from the streets of LA to a successful businessmen in Hollywood. His name Is Nipsey Hussle and his birthday is one day after mine. Some Hindus also meditate on (and invoke) their guru's (who already died), right?
I love that you said you don't owe anyone an explanation. Its so true! Its such a personal journey and while I love connecting with other daughters and sons of The Morrigan, it ultimately is up to me to define how our relationship is. ❤
I'm barely into this, but I'd never liked the idea of archetypes until this video. I've come to the point where I actively avoid the idea of God/s because they would be so infinitely greater than us (if they are 'really real') - why would they care about humans, right?? - but this is making so much sense to me now. Thinking of it as the 'psychological dance' to get us to the right place is seriously helpful.
Selenite>>>>>>> I was reading your book at my altar, and a piece of selenite spoke up, it wanted to be the wand that drew my circle. This is significant because I don't draw circles or usually work with selenite because, needles. But this was real
I can totally relate. I feel the same way.. Contradictory and confused. I WANT to work with deity but theyre not real! But the energy is real, so, are they real? Is my imagination really real? I can't bring myself to work with the "popular" goddesses, like the Morrigan.. Being of German decent and a Gemini, I also feel that the energies of Hel speak to me. Thank you for being so open and honest. I feel much better knowing I'm not the only one who feels this way about deity.
I love your videos you give me so much information without me even having to ask it seems like and I totally understand about wanting that mother type connection and guidance because I really feel like my life is lacking that cuz my mother is pass and I guess I have a question would you say that the best way for me to go further in this direction would be just to keep researching all the different goddesses and that until I am sure this is right. I'm talking rambling Thinking Out Loud something but until I find that one that I feel really connects with me is my way I think of going about finding one that I would like to try to work with and communicate with I know it takes time and I can be patient kinda LOL
Could I invoke the energy of a dead artist/creative to gain insight on their techniques? Im a fashion design major and Alexander Mcqueen is where i draw alot of my inspiration from based on his way of thinking etc. Could i invoke his energy to help me ?
How are the gods different than a servator? Why use one vs the other? Also, I've tried connecting with dieties/angels/etc but they just haven't seemed real at all to me. I can't hear when any of them would supposedly talk to me...even when I ask. Any idea what I could be doing wrong?
Servitors>>>>>> try having an inner doctor, a holodeck, an inner administrative assistant, please don't think I'm bossing you around or imposing, just excited to give advice
Kelly -Ann,would it be ok for me to connecting & working with more than one set of patron / matron deities when they're from the same pantheon? ( Mesopitamian)
This is exactly where I'm at right now. I could never really connect with deity as I could never take it seriously as I don't truly beleive all these Gods and Goddesses exist in reality. Now I'm looking more to their attributes and communing with them in the ways you describe. I always had a pull though and did start looking into Kuan Yin a few years ago and am revisiting her again now. Thank you x
Wonderful video, as always. Regarding the topic, I wanted to ask if anybody has an advice to share with me - there is a particular god who's name I've been seeing for over two years now. My problem is, I am scared of him. It's the matter of me viewing him as the archetype that's whimsical and not respectul to people's boundaries. Any thoughts?
This is an interesting issue to raise.. I often feel that the ego's rejection of a deity to whom the soul seems to be attracted is an amazing 'calling' to do shadow work through accepting lessons from that deity and communing with them. When something just keeps coming into your line of sight synchronistically, seemingly calling you despite your lack of desire to engage with it, there could well be a deep inner knowing that you need to face whatever that energy/being represents. Perhaps consider this possibility.. Also, it's worth noting that many people start out with all kinds of perceptions of a being that they start a relationship with only to find that they were wrong or that it's more complex than they initially realised! This happens all the time with human-to-human connections, right? It's no different with deities.. This god could surprise you!!
I would argue that one's thoughtforms (and gods) can be both "imaginary" AND "real", that the two terms are not mutually exclusive. I know my TFs are based on my imagination as well as my own personality, emotional experiences and life events. My TFs are based on my creative imagination as much as they are based on transpersonal archetypes. Kelly, you used to say "the imagination is a real place" so I'm surprised that you seem to criticise terms like "imaginary" and "make believe". I personally embrace that terminology and know in my heart that it doesn't undermine my TFs or my relationship with them. My thoughtforms ARE imaginary, they ARE make-believe, but they are also vividly, tantalisingly real and they have left fingerprints all over my life. I know some people might not be able to understand that paradoxical idea that something can be both imaginary and real, but it makes total sense to me.
Hmm. Weirdly I feel like we're actually saying and believing the same thing but there is a semantic muddle going on..? Like, I don't use 'make believe' or 'imaginary' in the sense that when *others* use those terms relating to gods, they are usually *implying* that those gods aren't real, and I am refuting that with my answer. I totally believe that my matron is in my head AND also real. But 'make believe' and 'imaginary' are usually used to mean 'not real' so i'm using them to that end.
Oh! Oh, I see. I think what you're saying is, when most people use the word "imaginary" their understanding of the word is "imaginary = not real". And you were addressing that particular audience, so I got a bit confused.
How does the "working with a Deity on your own terms" look like? Since gods are powerful beings, and you can't really push them around. It's like interacting with any physical being. They will not bend to your will. They have demands and boundaries and such, right? So how do you lead, especially with a pushier deity? And how do you know if they're pushy or not?
I recently started getting interested in gods of writing and kept stumbling upon Thoth of the Egyptian pantheon. So I started researching Him and He is the god of everything I could want from a deity. So I try to connect with Him. I make tea for Him, I dedicate poetry and writing to Him, I ask for His help in writing and learning. I don't know if I've actually connected with him, but I sure hope so. I haven't heard a clear message from Him. Is there any way to know when I connect with Him, and not a trickster spirit or even just wishful thinking?
Talk to him yourself. If you take some time to get deeply relaxed and focus on him, and ask him to come to you, you might experience a strange phenomenon. You might begin to have thoughts and words appear in your head that aren't your own. You might hear words and sentences in your mind that you did not think of yourself. This is often accompanied by the sensation of an otherworldly presence. That's when you know you've made contact.
@@hermesmcthoth1712 That is the most solid piece of advice I've gotten in a while. Thank you. Also that is the perfect name, though - unrelated - I don't understand what made people come to the conclusion that Hermes and Thoth are anyhow related. Hermes is a flighty twink and Thoth is like, A Dad. Anyways. Rambling. Thank you.
@@drilonkennedy-gorne2049 Hermes and Thoth are both aspects of the same thing. Some may call it an archetype, but I prefer to call it a metagod. A force of knowledge and wisdom.
Have you by any chance seen the "Full Circle" documentaries? There's three of them on youtube and they really inspired me to start working with the divine feminine in my practice. I don't know if you are also aware of Jordan Peterson. He is a right wing reactionary "intellectual" who is completely perverting the ideas of Jung as a guise for his world view. His new book is currently a best seller. It makes me worried because neo- pagan and occult ideas have been heavily associated with right wing reactionary groups for the last few years, and now they have Jung and archetypes and Joseph Campbell in their fold :( If you do a search for these ideas on youtube and google his name pops up multiple times.
Raw Spirit it’s all a lure tactic to attract people to the right wing reactionary ideology that lingers beneath his rhetoric. He’s an opportunist that takes advantage of vulnerable people and vulnerable people tend to seek out spiritual insights. I might make a video about this on my channel but he has some very fervent fans and I don’t want to deal with BS. It’s sad because a lot of people are lured into absorbing borderline fascist ideology because they don’t see what lingers beneath the surface of his so called “psycho spiritual” rhetoric. Dangerous business.
I personally value Peterson's perspective, even if I don't agree with everything the guy says. I always thought he was an open book, with a lot of compassion. And anger, sure. But whatever. I'd definitely have a drink with him, anyway. Haha.
Weird Mannequin Peterson is trying to use the ideas of Jung and a whole bunch of pseudo intellectual gibberish to justify the hierarchies in society and placate the fragile egos of certain young white men who are afraid of change. The whole philosophy behind his ‘fight the chaos’ ethos stinks of fragility. He is trying go convince millions of people that hierarchy is ‘natural’ ie man over woman, white over black, rich over poor and anyone who attempts to challenge those structures is a dangerous agent of chaos who must me shunned and aggressively hindered. I think Peterson is dangerous and I think he knows exactly what he is doing, he is not worth an ounce of respect in my opinion. He’s a charlatan and a reactionary.
Weird Mannequin I understand that the “self help” element of his work is the bait on the hook but it’s also peppered with social Darwinism, twisted spiritual ideals, misogyny, classism and racism. I mean if you can happily pick through the dog shit to get to the nugget then do you bro. In this case I’m happy to throw the baby out with the bath water.
I am particularly afraid of goddesses who are asking a lot of attention and dedication. Is there any goddesses who are more lenient? That is what keeps me at bay...
Definitly ask, pray, do spell work whatever. I feel like tbe dark goddesses especially really demand quite a bit from their followers. I used to work with aphrodite and I didnt feel like he required a lot from me, but she did get me into trouble. Quan Yin is a goddess of compassion. I think she would be very forgiving. Actually I have worked with her off and on. And the virgin Mary. Both are pretty gentle. Historically I adore Joan of arc. I can work with that archetype but dont really think of her as a goddess. Diana/Artemis is another one... I feel like if they call you they just kind of flow through you in a certain way and dont "demand" from you. Keep looking and calling out for the right diety to show herself (or himself) to you. Keep reading about different goddesses,gods, demigods, etc and just see who sort of pulls on you gently. Ix Chele is a Mayan goddess I've also spent some time with. Shes pretty amazing. She had an abusive husband she had to hide from by disguising herself. And their is amarasatu (I think it spelled) a solar goddess. I have an Oracle deck called the divine feminine Oracle and there are some others that are similar in theme. I think it's one good way to find your diety. I also have read "goddesses in every woman" SEVERAL TIMES. It's an amazing book. I've read (not a light read) when God was a woman, which has led me to be interested in very early goddesses like ashtray. Isis has never felt demanding to me.
The Goddess Path by Patricia Monaghan is another I have personally read thst gives an overview. It's an older book and there are lots of really good newer ones but as I haven't read them I cant recommend thsm. Sacred contracts is good for archetypes, imo. But it's not specifically about goddesses so that's a bit different.
Despite people's abilty to reciprocate with other people, that literal form of spirituality gets lost on the idea of elements. I get frustrated at times hoping others will take to the path of the magus.
So you and your goddess are one in the same and she is just a part of yourself that is not restraint by flesh which helps you show you yourself and other things , your higher self 😎?
I try to speak myself out of the desire to work with any deities as in Hungarian culture there is no evidence of a pre-Christian pantheon. Nearly nothing remained due to German colonization, and I do not want to become like the colonizers. I will not worship any deities if my cultural remains have no evidence of deities being worshipped. I am certainly not happy about this but racism is the least i would want in my life. I come from a not so acceptive and tolerant family and i wanna be the starter of changes. What is the best step if to not steal from other cultures when i do not belong to said cultures? I'm not even sure if just asking for a few advices from the much wiser deities is an okayish thing from me... though in some questions i would be glad if they'd be able to advise me to become better as they, hence being a divine energy, can see more than me. I know it is an old video but still think this is pretty accurate. Even Christians face the problem of they don't know how to stay consistent with bonding with their deity. I'd say it is bc they are so far from the original where they appropriated a lots of stuff that they no more sense what was there before. Maybe it is language barriers that distancing you, some languages have no the exact expression for one thing wat the others have. It depends on the person too. I am an animist, and i am more a nature-worshipper, starting my whole ractice again from the very beginning, from the scratch to not even give a tiny bit of chance for cultural appropriation to enter into my craft again.
KELLYANN MY QUEEN YOU DID NOT BUTCHER THE EXPLANATION; I LITERALLY QUOTED A WHOLE PORTION OF THIS VIDEO INTO MY JOURNAL NEXT TO A PROSE PIECE OF MINE ABOUT ONE OF MY UNIVERSES WITH NYX. I LOVE YOU, AND I AM GOING TO MAIL YOU A COPY OF THAT PIECE AS SOON AS IT’S FINISHED JUST BC I WANT TO SHARE W YOU MY RELATIONSHIP WITH MY MATRON THE WAY YOU’VE DONE WITH US (your journey to hel video is my FAVORITE). sorry for typing in all caps, i just love this video so fucking much!! you are such an idol. ALSO... if you haven’t already, check out Marisa de la Peña on Instagram (@circotarot) and when it’s relaunched this month check out her Persephone deck! she makes tarot decks and an oracle deck too, at circotarot.com . the deck is a tarot deck but every card is a goddess related best to the card itself, and comes with a booklet! she did ALL THE ART H E R S E L F and she’s AMAZING! i’m buying it finally this weekend if it’s back and i literally can’t wait i’ve been dying to have the money all weekend and idk why i’m rambling to you but i just think you would absolutely love it (and her other decks and miscellaneous tarot/witchy accessories too!) and i think people (like me lol) who love tarot or have matron deity relationships or do any goddess work would love to see you review it or just add it to your collection lol... just a recommendation bc i truly can picture you using it like crazy or at least loving it for your collection, or even her OG circo tarot which is amazing or her new oracle deck which is absolutely beautiful from what i’ve seen in photos, she’s only 23 or so and does it all her own... love you kelly-ann, i hope we can be url friends someday since/even though i’m so far across the pond 🖤🦇 best journeys for you and Hel as well as through your own beautiful imagination that you are gloriously promoting to keep♥️☠️♥️
Yeah, it feels great the moment you (respectfully?) stop giving a shit about what other people think or have to say about your personal experience. Got me thinking, though. Lets say you wanted to "work" with a dead comedian (or musician, or whatever), and you knew that if he were alive he would more than likely make an entire stand up special mercilessly laughing and criticizing you for it because your spiritual/magickal work would never have aligned with his own beliefs. Should you care then? Not really sure what my answer to that one is yet. Guess it's a personal thing.
I hesitate to work with my grandmother in this way because I dont know if she would approve. But I guess if I think of her in more terms of a guardian angel than a diety it works a lot better... (thanks cuz that just hit me) Celebrity wise, I have George Michael who luckily for me actually played 'sort of God' on a TV show called Eli Stone. When Eli "dies" (temporarily) he sees him (and hes been having visions of him and actually met him) and he says "George? Are you God?" And George says "Some men have said so." And Michael means "who is like god?" And of course he's Greek so it's all very perfect. You could think that said person (commedian)may have a different point of view after death than they had during life... at least you know he/she has a sense of humour ;) I'm not totally against a God or goddess who gently chides you for thinking of them that way and sort of shrugs off the title but is still there for you in some ways...
4 sins are the source of all humanity major trajedies &corruption, for these 4 sins, God promised (in Quran) eternal hellfire for the doers in the day of judgement: 1- Worshipping another deity with God/Allah, the creator of all. 2- Murder 3- Fornication 4- Eating Usuary (interest on loans) Seek forgiveness of God, &be conscious about the judgement day, when all yr deeds and their consequences will be in a book that doesn't leave a tiny detail. No one can save you from sins in that day except yr only God.
One might say that the more people believe in one deity, the stronger and "realer" they become. That's why Jesus has been said to change so many lives for the better, because ALOT of people (including me - see the "**" at the bottom for explanation..) believe in him & what he stands for! I wonder how "real" deities can become?? We may believe so much collectively that a deity can heal and "save you" or even begin to "have powers" (water into wine idea..) & are able to actually speak with Humans and have all the "powers" that we believe them to have! So, if we believe in something so fiercely and wholeheartedly, it may come true! So we maybe should be aware of that and place belief in the proper, responsible hands... **I also want to mention that I call myself a witch and I practice witchcraft, but I do still believe in Jesus. It came from my cultural upbringing, and in my practice, he does NOT judge me for being a witch and is okay with it. Granted, I don't work with Him as my Patron, but I still love his energy and I really vibe with it. He is the only one that I would want to call on if I ever feel an evil presence (as of now). So, for the Bible saying that witchcraft is evil, sure, maybe the bible says it, but Jesus doesn't mind it in my case.. Explain THAT orthodox Christians! LOL (Just kidding, please don't attack me ppl! LOL There is enough love to go around for all of us!!
As Carl Sagan said, "Imagination takes you to places that never were, but without it you get nowhere."
Something I find that comes up time and time again with peoples early relationsionship with their deity is the issue of presence. Many people experience immediate intense attention and energy from their deity for an extended period but then suddenly their deity steps back and the practitioner will experience doubt and feelings of abandonment. Ive learened with my deity (Hekate) that we have periods of intense bonding and then she will withdraw because she wants me to stand on my own two feet and learn something. Its still slightly upsetting when she does this but its because Im a big scaredy cat when it comes to change and in those moments I know Ive got something to focus on.
Lily Pad its a healthy approach. Being switched "on" constantly would cause serious mental emotional burnout. People are to eager to rush to get to an end point that doesnt exist
@@annaarwen4345 I agree. I experienced this with The Morrighan and the first step back period, I felt confused, doubtful and wondered if I did something wrong, was found wanting in some way or if i had just been wrong about Her calling me in the first place, but I've learned a lot about finding ways to feel that relationship even when it's not a time when Morrighan isn't really involved in what I'm currently working on. Her energy is really intense and amazing, so having a sort of break from that intensity is a good thing. I've been spending the past year cultivating my relationship with Hermes this year, and though He has a lighter touch, Hermes' presence has been really active and something I've really needed, so when the off time comes for His work with me comes, I'm glad I'll know well how to deal with that and know it's not a punishment or abandonment, just a break that I might not realize I need but that the Godds see that I need. Also, deities are busy, lol. It helps to remind myself that They have their own business to be getting on with and I can't expect to just have Them on call when I need to feel that bond and I worship several deities so I don't want to let myself ever fall into habits of thinking I'm the center of any of Their existences when several deities make up my personal worship. I hope that made sense, I'm having a bout of sleeplessness and tend to ramble and get off track when that happens. Anyway, have a beautiful day!
I've experienced the same thing with her. She just recently reached out in a very big way and it feels amazing to know shes here
I’ve experienced this as well recently with Diana/Artemis and have had to learn to stand on my own two feet and remember to feel the immense gratitude I have for my cosmic mother. She makes herself known to me often but she’s not constantly holding and nurturing me back to life the way she was.
My healing ended up healing my real mother and bonded us in a way that I’d never had all my life. ♥️
OH MY GOD! I never ever thought that there would be a way to explain my beliefs in words(probably because I'm autistic) but I believe I was _led_ to your channel and specifically this video. You are amazing! Lots of love and blessings your way
The deities that I work with Oshun, Obatala, Elequa Yemaya are definitely real. And yes the results are definitely real. Thank you I so enjoy your videos. Much love to you.
This video was Fucking Amazing! You have brought so much clarity to a very foggy aspect, or lack of, into my life. Im suddenly so excited to dive in! Skepticism gone! Thank you oh so much for a very clear understanding! You ROCK!
Yayyyy, this makes me so happy! x
When you talked about the concept of "realness", it reminded me of how many people consider experiences in video games and virtual realities to not be a part of reality. It's so strange - if nothing else, it's like dreaming or fantasizing, except many people can experience it together - sort of a consensus virtual reality. :) Saying "video games aren't reality" isn't true - they're part of reality, but sort of like a different dimension where everyone can perceive the same fantastical thing. I know it's a sort of silly comparison because video games are still a huge step closer to consensus reality than working with Personified Deity in most people's minds. But at least the comparison illustrates how different people can accept very different levels of virtuality as "reality". The more spiritual you get, the more you work your way up into accepting more layers of virtuality as reality. ;) What a jumble of words, I hope this is the least bit decipherable. :P
Love this video, Kelly-Ann, especially the part about not having to justify or even explain why things work for us. Spot on and helpful 🖤🎯
Thank you for this! I've found that I stumble over my explanation of my relationship with personified deity. They are real, but they're not. They are a part of me, but they are separate from me, and a part of so many other people as well. The language around this topic can be so clumsy, and I think you've articulated your viewpoint (and mine) very well. I tend to gloss over it all by saying I'm "agnostic plus" or "pantheist plus." More often than not, I don't discuss it all. Your video helps me feel wayyy less isolated in my beliefs. Thanks again 🌻
I’m blessed to run into your posts. They are a good confirmation for me that I’m not the only one who feels that not only do the ‘higher ups’ exist but they are also very much a part of our own energy and imagination as well. Thx Kelly-Ann. ✌🏻
very helpful =) tysm. I think a lot of my trouble in exploring this is that truth is really important to me. I feel like I was basically lied to a lot when I was growing up in a patriarchal religion and I don't want to deal with anything but the truth anymore. But I struggle big time is spirituality knowing what truth is. I also feel like some astral beings will have me believing they are a deity and the are just some astral being who gets an energy meal off my devotion and will tell me what I want to hear. Sometimes I hear people saying things like such and such goddess will knock you down if you ask the wrong questions or approach them wrong. And that sort of talk makes me back off a bit. I do long for a spiritual connection but having PTSD I need to feel safe as well. You have given me a lot to think about, ty =)
I do think a lot of that "X or Y god(dess) will knock you down if you don't approach them correctly..." has a lot to do with the fear-based mindsets that people bring over from organized religions and the vengeful god figure... Also a means of social control and posturing and self-reassurance in their newfound spiritual comfy place. I'm not here for that. Because you're right, it does both smack of and pull me back into trauma-mindsets.
I personally feel that a god or goddess would not feel the need to be so tyranical as to demand you ask the right question or if you approach them in the wrong way you get put down by them in some way. Or that a god or goddess would be so insecure that they have to act like a bully. My guess would be that if this is truly happening to the people who told you this...they are not communicating with a god or goddess.
Yes This is so fantastic. It was one of your videos about deity before that got me to finally let myself just accept that I wanted an experience with deity and it didn't matter if I could understand it or not. I just wanted to try it.
Thank you for expanding on this. I am in complete agreeance with how you explained that energies are real regardless if they are in this phsysical, material realm or simply an energy that is believed in. Once one manifests their own experiences with a personified deity or any archetypical energy, it is certain a very real thing.
Thank you so much! I would definitively be interested in a video about breaking out of religious dogma.
I loved this video, thank you, Kelly-Ann!
When I was starting on my pagan path, I often would feel silly, like "it doesn't make sense, it won't work" etc. But I would do stuff anyway, because that need for divine entity in my life was stronger. And now I'm more or less OK with the fact that I can't exactly explain everything. I'm just happy to experience those wonderful things!
I revere a couple of gods and goddesses, but while they feel helpful and needed, there's one great Lady of my heart. She feels like Home.
I come from a Catholic country that revers Holy Mother really strongly. I remember going to Mother Mary services in May, June and September with my grandma. The holiest icon/religious representation of Poland is the Black Madonna of Częstochowa and I have a reproduction of this picture on my bedroom wall. Through Mother Mary and how she is revered in Poland, I can see my old goddess, for the image of Mary overlapped with the native belief, when the Christianity came. People needed their Holy Lady, so she stayed.
SO pertinent for me! But, also: GIRL, your hair is looking glossy and healthy and bangin!!
Very interesting and thought-provoking as always! Have you ever read or heard of the book Re-Visioning Psychology, by James Hillman? A good chunk of it is devoted to explaining how gods and archetypes are psychic components while at the same time being foreign to us and having an autonomous existence of their own and, in that sense, they are absolutely real. I'm having the time of my life reading it right now, and I think it's the kind of stuff that could potentially be of interest to you. Much love 😘
Wow 😮 absolutely loved this video! You completely told me all that I’d been pondering and it totally jived with me. Very informative and I couldn’t stop looking at your hands 😂 you have THE most beautiful hands!!! 🤲
Thank you for this video Kelly-Ann! So far all you put out there resonates with me. It's like hanging out with a dear friend. 💚
All I can say is... this hit hard. I feel like I was meant to see this and I have never felt that way before. As above, so below finally makes sense. Beautiful.
I wonder if you could do a video about working with 'the dark goddess', I feel like many of us work with the dark goddess archetype but it feels so complex and I'm personally only starting to understand the power of it. I also know how many different 'dark goddesses' there are, and how to we pick one/get 'chosen' by one/make one up, so although you've already kind of covered this in this video, I'd love to hear more about what you think about the process of finding one's own dark goddess deity and how it might work or look. Like for example: some people are adamant that a goddess (The Morrigan for example) chooses you, not the other way around (I think that's a load of BS) and I feel like there's a lot of misinformation/misinterpretation of what it means to work with dark goddess. I may not be making sense! xx
I cannot put into words how grateful I am that you shared this video today. You somehow managed to crack open a part of me, and with it I was able to receive a very profound and completely obvious message of love and nurturing from my Goddess. A message that I needed desperately but couldn’t receive until you reminded me that it’s safe to let go of ego and ideas that I’ve put in place to protect myself. I realized that I don’t really need some of those ideas to protect me. There isn’t an actual danger. By guarding against those imagined dangers I haven’t allowed myself experience the vast possibilities. This morning has been life changing for me. Thank you for being a crucial part of it. ♥️
Amazing timing! I've felt aspects of Greenman/pan/cerrnunos follow me for QUITE some time and have pushed it away a long time. But I can't anymore, I don't want to.
As a mother of two sons, I totally understand this. My boys are completely different - they even have different fathers. In fact, I have always referred to them as my "sun" and "moon." They are both my sons, but my relationship with each of them is totally unique. I imagine it is the same with a deity. He/she has a unique relationship with each of his/her children. Makes total sense.
Thank you for this, just what I've been looking for... 💜
Perfectly said & perfectly timed! I especially adore your makeup & hair here. 💜 Those readings sound lovely. Thank you for sharing.
Michelle Lee Yes! That eye shadow!
Bronia K Spiritual Yes, I love it! When I wear eyeshadow, it's ugh....
Michelle Lee I'm sure it looks lovely 😊
Love this! Thank you for this, I've been dipping my toes into the world of personified energies. Also, love your haircut, adorable
i remembered about your account for the first time in like a year today, this most recent video happened to be about a topic i've been struggling with, and the energy you put for in your explanation has given me a feeling of great peace and strength, in many areas, not just those explicitly covered. so, thank you, very very much! (and i'd better subscribe so i don't forget again)
Thank you for expanding on this subject 🙏
Thank you so much for this video, Kelly-Ann! I have been grappling with issues about how to explain my beliefs and interpretations when it comes to Personified Deity, and here you are articulating my thoughts way better than I could! It's also really reassuring to know that I'm not the only one who thinks this way and believes these things, for some reason ^_^
Thanks for the inspiration, honey! ;) I'm glad that this video helped you! x
I found this really interesting. I know I don't need permission but I feel like your video gave me the permission I needed to even think about it. You mentioned Ancestors right at the end. I was wondering whether choosing a deceased Grandmother would be weird or not? Anyway thanks again for this wonderful free service! (much appreciated) Blessed Be !
Lots of people choose to request a relationship with a blood ancestor - it's really common and it works wonders for people. :) Many have specific ancestor altars with photos and possessions on them. You can find videos from witches and pagans who do ancestor work. I can't personally help with it as it's not part of my practice but it's a long way from being weird, honey! (Well, I mean, to some people ALL of this would seem weird, but you know what I mean!)
Thanks for watching! x
I too appreciate Kelly's "permission" Funny how personal and independent this all is, but the human psyche is conditioned for acceptance... Ancestral work is hugely accepted in certain circles, and scoffed at in others.. I was told by a complete stranger on social media that I have an elderly woman visit me. From the description, it is my paternal grandmother to a T. Funny because she wasn't my favorite family member when she was alive but I was her only grandchild. I talk to her now, and ask her to help my mother with issues she has with my father (her son) and it's worked out surprisingly well.
I usually don't comment on anything I watch, but I've been trying new things. I've been watching your videos for a while, and I really appreciate your thoughts and empowering talks. I've always felt connected to a certain goddess, but I was always worried about my ability and the judgment of her other sons and daughters. This talk was just really inspiring, and it's given me the strength to try and explore it for myself - "sign off," if you will, on my own experience and let that be enough. Thank you!
This is so relatable 🥰✨
Thank you so much for this video. I have been wanting to work with personified deity for a while but haven't been sure how to do it or explain it. You have made me realise I need to give myself permission to do it my own way and not worry about trying to explain it or do it 'right'.
Thanks for this. I love your hair. Gorgeous as always xx
You literally just spoke and explained what I’ve never been able too but felt for so long! Thanks🙏🏻
I never thought of deities like this before, and I really appreciate this perspective. Thank you for this, Kelly-Ann!
Great exploration .. I can totally understand that feeling of curiosity, following that flow. Then having those conversations where as you say some of it is lost in translation and sitting with that, accepting it. I'm considering archetype in a similar way as to how I work with animal medicine, the only difference being I've been brought up with animal medicine and the archetype journey is much newer to me. At this stage it remains curiosity mostly that I am happy to follow & expand my exploration/understanding. Great food for thought, thanks.
The timing is really awsome,I was eager about this recently,its like a helping companion ,a reminder for grounding ! thanks!!
I LIVE this and have so many thoughts. I wonder if I should do a VR even though it's a year old.
Yes this is perfect! I need to put my thoughts together about how I feel on this topic too. It’s such an amazingly deep well of magic..... the yellow brick road yes! 🙌🧡
Cool vid. Love the validation on not needing to explain or justify to someone else the personal spiritual journey, archetypal work and so on.
Very timely for my own personal journey. Thank you, Kelly-Ann. Your videos are appreciated and often so relevant for me. Stay blessed.
I'm feeling such a strong urge to thank you for this. Thank you for taking the time and energy to give others a glimpse into such a personal part of your life and practice. My own beliefs about my connection with the divine and my higher self have been tumbling around in my head (with very little form) for quite some time now. Watching this video has been like finally being able to take the bowl of brightly colored liquid out of the fridge, it has congealed, the jello is ready to enjoy.
You're so inspirational, thank you
Yes yes yes!!! You always make sense to me, I still don't have a personified deity, but I would love to, I also want to work with some transitioned artists. I know that is in the making, but lately I have been simply plugging into universal resonance, just to feel for a connection to all that is, (sometimes for a second that happens). I always appreciate how you articulate, and I am going to follow some of your suggestions. It may be time for another reading soon :)
Thank you
Thankyou for this video, discovering you has been a treat and this video in particular has really helped answer some questions and doubts I had about the connection I have been forming with a deceased cultural hero and whether that was valid in terms of patron or connection. Now I'm doing some serious reflection as to whether he is approaching me as himself or as a face of a wider archetype that is trying to connect with me.
I missed this kind of video, really well said :)
Yes! Thank you so much for this video. Exactly what I needed to hear. You put into words what I've been feeling. You are a treasure ❤️❤️❤️
Neil Gaiman's novel, American Gods, has a SUPER similar environment and it's always been my favorite!!
This video sounds like an additional sign from my personal pantheon and it comes at such a perfect time ahah! Love the synchronicity of it! I would like to thank you, Kelly-Ann, for all the wisdom you share, for all those clever reflections and your way to sparkle my mind... You're such an inspirational and beautiful soul. I would like to know (seeing you also mentionned the monomyth theory of Joseph Campbell) if you work with or integrate in your spiritual journey symbols/rituals/key features of the "equivalent figures" of Hel in other pantheon (I work with a divinity associated with the chthonian world and sometimes it's like these "equivalent figures" are brought to my attention and I feel like they are all different aspects of the same archetype)?
It's Kelly-Ann Time!! I have been looking for a deity to work with, but nothing/no one clicked. Maybe it's a thing that's not for everyone.
Maybe not. But also possible you just haven't found or recognized her yet. (Sometimes she is around always but in disguise)
Love video! Work with lots👏 they are great!
I would love to hear your thoughts about death from a pantheistic perspective and working with a death goddess. If that is something you feel called to talk about, of course! Your work is great!
I love the way you talk bless it be
I also think that the fact that you DON'T HAVE to explain how or why it works for you, or the nuts and bolts of your shifting inner landscape, is really important to spread around. I know a lot of my early and even recent hangups have all been centered around, "but what will OTHER PEOPLE think?" "How can I present myself as a truthful and sincere person if I CAN'T EXPLAIN EVERYTHING IN DETAIL?" ... And the truth of the matter is-- you don't owe that to anyone. Not even if you are wanting a spiritual businss and wanting to really be trustworthy and ethical and upfront-- there's going to be people who are goign to approach you with curiosity and good faith who are willing to take some things in stride and with trust because they get to know YOU, YOUR VALUES, YOUR VIBES, even if they don't understand everything, and there's going to be people who won't. And because you can't control that, you can really only decide who you'd rather interact with and go from there. Discard any fear of the other that is holding you back.
Also another point I wanted to spring off of which what i just said-- it seems maybe like I've been projecting too much of myself into a business concept, like I had to explain my spirituality if I was to offer advice, free resources, or products... but it's worth reminding myself that I'm not selling or offering MY OWN PRACTICE... That's impossible. I can't offer someone else the inside of my head, even if i can find avenues to share some of it sometimes and pull wisdom from it.
I’ve worked with crystal skulls intensely this year and I think the way I work with them directly links to how you talk in this video! I totally see them as wisdom portals of sorts. I’m so interested in this topic it lights me up! I wanna try some new stuff now! Thanks for being inspirational! Do you still offer the tea with the goddess package? How much! With warmth jane x
While I've never had issue working with gods and goddesses i have had issue working with fictional characters archetypes. I had once tried to connect with characters from a game and show i loved from childhood but i felt just too silly to continue despite having a magickal framwork that is compatible with thought forms and such and would completely allow it. Its a very irrational feeling of foolishness and almost shame that consumes me if i try to go too far outside the magickal box if you will, despite beleiving completely that the minds of the collective could make fictional characters real energetically. As if somehow working with a fictional character betrays the seriousness of my practice. This video has got me thinking though and perhapse i will try to take another look at the entire dynamic within myself.
Have you tried working with them as an archetype instead? Or a "this fictional character is my power animal." Kind of way?
(Poepbe boufay is my power animal, lol. As well as poepebe halliwell.)
Oh and Dorothy Gail, Alice, Anne Shirly, etc... I dont really work with them as goddesses but I identify with them.
Thanks you for the nice explanation. I was thinking of something, maybe strange question but I think you are open-minded enough to understand. Is it possible for me to create a own mantra so I can meditate on a person who died last year? I think I can use his energy because I admire his personality like business mindedness, helping the poor children with it programs on schools etc. Really being a example who was self-made from the streets of LA to a successful businessmen in Hollywood. His name Is Nipsey Hussle and his birthday is one day after mine. Some Hindus also meditate on (and invoke) their guru's (who already died), right?
I love that you said you don't owe anyone an explanation. Its so true! Its such a personal journey and while I love connecting with other daughters and sons of The Morrigan, it ultimately is up to me to define how our relationship is. ❤
I'm barely into this, but I'd never liked the idea of archetypes until this video. I've come to the point where I actively avoid the idea of God/s because they would be so infinitely greater than us (if they are 'really real') - why would they care about humans, right?? - but this is making so much sense to me now. Thinking of it as the 'psychological dance' to get us to the right place is seriously helpful.
Selenite>>>>>>> I was reading your book at my altar, and a piece of selenite spoke up, it wanted to be the wand that drew my circle. This is significant because I don't draw circles or usually work with selenite because, needles. But this was real
You look so freaking cute with that haircut!! 😍
I can totally relate. I feel the same way.. Contradictory and confused. I WANT to work with deity but theyre not real! But the energy is real, so, are they real? Is my imagination really real? I can't bring myself to work with the "popular" goddesses, like the Morrigan.. Being of German decent and a Gemini, I also feel that the energies of Hel speak to me. Thank you for being so open and honest. I feel much better knowing I'm not the only one who feels this way about deity.
I love your videos you give me so much information without me even having to ask it seems like and I totally understand about wanting that mother type connection and guidance because I really feel like my life is lacking that cuz my mother is pass and I guess I have a question would you say that the best way for me to go further in this direction would be just to keep researching all the different goddesses and that until I am sure this is right. I'm talking rambling Thinking Out Loud something but until I find that one that I feel really connects with me is my way I think of going about finding one that I would like to try to work with and communicate with I know it takes time and I can be patient kinda LOL
Saw Kelly, saw title, said "fuck yeah I wanna listen to that while I task :)
"You are not in Kansas anymore, Toto!!!" LOL :D
Could I invoke the energy of a dead artist/creative to gain insight on their techniques? Im a fashion design major and Alexander Mcqueen is where i draw alot of my inspiration from based on his way of thinking etc. Could i invoke his energy to help me ?
Totally!
Thank you beautiful!
How are the gods different than a servator? Why use one vs the other?
Also, I've tried connecting with dieties/angels/etc but they just haven't seemed real at all to me. I can't hear when any of them would supposedly talk to me...even when I ask. Any idea what I could be doing wrong?
Servitors>>>>>> try having an inner doctor, a holodeck, an inner administrative assistant, please don't think I'm bossing you around or imposing, just excited to give advice
I would like to work with a deity. I am more comfy with a male one but I am not sure how to do this..well I am new in that field and get surprised.
Set your intention. Talk to the universe. Ask. Read. It's a process. :)
I started to wonder watching your video if you had experiance with ET beings, whats your opinion on cosmic being and light language practice?
Kelly -Ann,would it be ok for me to connecting & working with more than one set of patron / matron deities when they're from the same pantheon?
( Mesopitamian)
Aboslutely you can work with as many deities as you see fit
Whats your opinion on runes? Have you tried any staves?
This is exactly where I'm at right now. I could never really connect with deity as I could never take it seriously as I don't truly beleive all these Gods and Goddesses exist in reality. Now I'm looking more to their attributes and communing with them in the ways you describe. I always had a pull though and did start looking into Kuan Yin a few years ago and am revisiting her again now. Thank you x
Bronia K Spiritual me too.. Exactly lol but with Hel
Wonderful video, as always. Regarding the topic, I wanted to ask if anybody has an advice to share with me - there is a particular god who's name I've been seeing for over two years now. My problem is, I am scared of him. It's the matter of me viewing him as the archetype that's whimsical and not respectul to people's boundaries. Any thoughts?
This is an interesting issue to raise.. I often feel that the ego's rejection of a deity to whom the soul seems to be attracted is an amazing 'calling' to do shadow work through accepting lessons from that deity and communing with them. When something just keeps coming into your line of sight synchronistically, seemingly calling you despite your lack of desire to engage with it, there could well be a deep inner knowing that you need to face whatever that energy/being represents. Perhaps consider this possibility..
Also, it's worth noting that many people start out with all kinds of perceptions of a being that they start a relationship with only to find that they were wrong or that it's more complex than they initially realised! This happens all the time with human-to-human connections, right? It's no different with deities.. This god could surprise you!!
I would argue that one's thoughtforms (and gods) can be both "imaginary" AND "real", that the two terms are not mutually exclusive. I know my TFs are based on my imagination as well as my own personality, emotional experiences and life events. My TFs are based on my creative imagination as much as they are based on transpersonal archetypes. Kelly, you used to say "the imagination is a real place" so I'm surprised that you seem to criticise terms like "imaginary" and "make believe". I personally embrace that terminology and know in my heart that it doesn't undermine my TFs or my relationship with them. My thoughtforms ARE imaginary, they ARE make-believe, but they are also vividly, tantalisingly real and they have left fingerprints all over my life. I know some people might not be able to understand that paradoxical idea that something can be both imaginary and real, but it makes total sense to me.
Hmm. Weirdly I feel like we're actually saying and believing the same thing but there is a semantic muddle going on..? Like, I don't use 'make believe' or 'imaginary' in the sense that when *others* use those terms relating to gods, they are usually *implying* that those gods aren't real, and I am refuting that with my answer. I totally believe that my matron is in my head AND also real. But 'make believe' and 'imaginary' are usually used to mean 'not real' so i'm using them to that end.
Oh! Oh, I see. I think what you're saying is, when most people use the word "imaginary" their understanding of the word is "imaginary = not real". And you were addressing that particular audience, so I got a bit confused.
How does the "working with a Deity on your own terms" look like? Since gods are powerful beings, and you can't really push them around. It's like interacting with any physical being. They will not bend to your will. They have demands and boundaries and such, right? So how do you lead, especially with a pushier deity? And how do you know if they're pushy or not?
I recently started getting interested in gods of writing and kept stumbling upon Thoth of the Egyptian pantheon. So I started researching Him and He is the god of everything I could want from a deity. So I try to connect with Him. I make tea for Him, I dedicate poetry and writing to Him, I ask for His help in writing and learning. I don't know if I've actually connected with him, but I sure hope so. I haven't heard a clear message from Him. Is there any way to know when I connect with Him, and not a trickster spirit or even just wishful thinking?
Talk to him yourself. If you take some time to get deeply relaxed and focus on him, and ask him to come to you, you might experience a strange phenomenon. You might begin to have thoughts and words appear in your head that aren't your own. You might hear words and sentences in your mind that you did not think of yourself. This is often accompanied by the sensation of an otherworldly presence. That's when you know you've made contact.
@@hermesmcthoth1712 That is the most solid piece of advice I've gotten in a while. Thank you. Also that is the perfect name, though - unrelated - I don't understand what made people come to the conclusion that Hermes and Thoth are anyhow related. Hermes is a flighty twink and Thoth is like, A Dad. Anyways. Rambling. Thank you.
@@drilonkennedy-gorne2049 Hermes and Thoth are both aspects of the same thing. Some may call it an archetype, but I prefer to call it a metagod. A force of knowledge and wisdom.
I like Hecate as a sister and Isis as a mother for me.
Have you by any chance seen the "Full Circle" documentaries? There's three of them on youtube and they really inspired me to start working with the divine feminine in my practice. I don't know if you are also aware of Jordan Peterson. He is a right wing reactionary "intellectual" who is completely perverting the ideas of Jung as a guise for his world view. His new book is currently a best seller. It makes me worried because neo- pagan and occult ideas have been heavily associated with right wing reactionary groups for the last few years, and now they have Jung and archetypes and Joseph Campbell in their fold :( If you do a search for these ideas on youtube and google his name pops up multiple times.
Raw Spirit it’s all a lure tactic to attract people to the right wing reactionary ideology that lingers beneath his rhetoric. He’s an opportunist that takes advantage of vulnerable people and vulnerable people tend to seek out spiritual insights. I might make a video about this on my channel but he has some very fervent fans and I don’t want to deal with BS. It’s sad because a lot of people are lured into absorbing borderline fascist ideology because they don’t see what lingers beneath the surface of his so called “psycho spiritual” rhetoric. Dangerous business.
I personally value Peterson's perspective, even if I don't agree with everything the guy says. I always thought he was an open book, with a lot of compassion. And anger, sure. But whatever. I'd definitely have a drink with him, anyway. Haha.
Weird Mannequin Peterson is trying to use the ideas of Jung and a whole bunch of pseudo intellectual gibberish to justify the hierarchies in society and placate the fragile egos of certain young white men who are afraid of change. The whole philosophy behind his ‘fight the chaos’ ethos stinks of fragility. He is trying go convince millions of people that hierarchy is ‘natural’ ie man over woman, white over black, rich over poor and anyone who attempts to challenge those structures is a dangerous agent of chaos who must me shunned and aggressively hindered. I think Peterson is dangerous and I think he knows exactly what he is doing, he is not worth an ounce of respect in my opinion. He’s a charlatan and a reactionary.
Weird Mannequin I understand that the “self help” element of his work is the bait on the hook but it’s also peppered with social Darwinism, twisted spiritual ideals, misogyny, classism and racism. I mean if you can happily pick through the dog shit to get to the nugget then do you bro. In this case I’m happy to throw the baby out with the bath water.
Angie Speaks I'm a woman, lol. Take care.
Thx
*yes*
I am particularly afraid of goddesses who are asking a lot of attention and dedication. Is there any goddesses who are more lenient? That is what keeps me at bay...
Definitly ask, pray, do spell work whatever.
I feel like tbe dark goddesses especially really demand quite a bit from their followers.
I used to work with aphrodite and I didnt feel like he required a lot from me, but she did get me into trouble.
Quan Yin is a goddess of compassion. I think she would be very forgiving. Actually I have worked with her off and on. And the virgin Mary. Both are pretty gentle. Historically I adore Joan of arc. I can work with that archetype but dont really think of her as a goddess. Diana/Artemis is another one... I feel like if they call you they just kind of flow through you in a certain way and dont "demand" from you.
Keep looking and calling out for the right diety to show herself (or himself) to you. Keep reading about different goddesses,gods, demigods, etc and just see who sort of pulls on you gently.
Ix Chele is a Mayan goddess I've also spent some time with. Shes pretty amazing. She had an abusive husband she had to hide from by disguising herself. And their is amarasatu (I think it spelled) a solar goddess.
I have an Oracle deck called the divine feminine Oracle and there are some others that are similar in theme. I think it's one good way to find your diety. I also have read "goddesses in every woman" SEVERAL TIMES. It's an amazing book. I've read (not a light read) when God was a woman, which has led me to be interested in very early goddesses like ashtray. Isis has never felt demanding to me.
The Goddess Path by Patricia Monaghan is another I have personally read thst gives an overview. It's an older book and there are lots of really good newer ones but as I haven't read them I cant recommend thsm.
Sacred contracts is good for archetypes, imo. But it's not specifically about goddesses so that's a bit different.
Despite people's abilty to reciprocate with other people, that literal form of spirituality gets lost on the idea of elements. I get frustrated at times hoping others will take to the path of the magus.
So you and your goddess are one in the same and she is just a part of yourself that is not restraint by flesh which helps you show you yourself and other things , your higher self 😎?
She /could/ be... it's pretty much up to you how you see her
Relatively self contained
I try to speak myself out of the desire to work with any deities as in Hungarian culture there is no evidence of a pre-Christian pantheon. Nearly nothing remained due to German colonization, and I do not want to become like the colonizers. I will not worship any deities if my cultural remains have no evidence of deities being worshipped. I am certainly not happy about this but racism is the least i would want in my life. I come from a not so acceptive and tolerant family and i wanna be the starter of changes. What is the best step if to not steal from other cultures when i do not belong to said cultures? I'm not even sure if just asking for a few advices from the much wiser deities is an okayish thing from me... though in some questions i would be glad if they'd be able to advise me to become better as they, hence being a divine energy, can see more than me. I know it is an old video but still think this is pretty accurate. Even Christians face the problem of they don't know how to stay consistent with bonding with their deity. I'd say it is bc they are so far from the original where they appropriated a lots of stuff that they no more sense what was there before. Maybe it is language barriers that distancing you, some languages have no the exact expression for one thing wat the others have. It depends on the person too. I am an animist, and i am more a nature-worshipper, starting my whole ractice again from the very beginning, from the scratch to not even give a tiny bit of chance for cultural appropriation to enter into my craft again.
KELLYANN MY QUEEN YOU DID NOT BUTCHER THE EXPLANATION; I LITERALLY QUOTED A WHOLE PORTION OF THIS VIDEO INTO MY JOURNAL NEXT TO A PROSE PIECE OF MINE ABOUT ONE OF MY UNIVERSES WITH NYX. I LOVE YOU, AND I AM GOING TO MAIL YOU A COPY OF THAT PIECE AS SOON AS IT’S FINISHED JUST BC I WANT TO SHARE W YOU MY RELATIONSHIP WITH MY MATRON THE WAY YOU’VE DONE WITH US (your journey to hel video is my FAVORITE). sorry for typing in all caps, i just love this video so fucking much!! you are such an idol.
ALSO... if you haven’t already, check out Marisa de la Peña on Instagram (@circotarot) and when it’s relaunched this month check out her Persephone deck! she makes tarot decks and an oracle deck too, at circotarot.com . the deck is a tarot deck but every card is a goddess related best to the card itself, and comes with a booklet! she did ALL THE ART H E R S E L F and she’s AMAZING! i’m buying it finally this weekend if it’s back and i literally can’t wait i’ve been dying to have the money all weekend and idk why i’m rambling to you but i just think you would absolutely love it (and her other decks and miscellaneous tarot/witchy accessories too!) and i think people (like me lol) who love tarot or have matron deity relationships or do any goddess work would love to see you review it or just add it to your collection lol... just a recommendation bc i truly can picture you using it like crazy or at least loving it for your collection, or even her OG circo tarot which is amazing or her new oracle deck which is absolutely beautiful from what i’ve seen in photos, she’s only 23 or so and does it all her own... love you kelly-ann, i hope we can be url friends someday since/even though i’m so far across the pond 🖤🦇 best journeys for you and Hel as well as through your own beautiful imagination that you are gloriously promoting to keep♥️☠️♥️
I hopes it's veggie burger time
Perceived to be real
Yeah, it feels great the moment you (respectfully?) stop giving a shit about what other people think or have to say about your personal experience. Got me thinking, though. Lets say you wanted to "work" with a dead comedian (or musician, or whatever), and you knew that if he were alive he would more than likely make an entire stand up special mercilessly laughing and criticizing you for it because your spiritual/magickal work would never have aligned with his own beliefs. Should you care then? Not really sure what my answer to that one is yet. Guess it's a personal thing.
I hesitate to work with my grandmother in this way because I dont know if she would approve. But I guess if I think of her in more terms of a guardian angel than a diety it works a lot better... (thanks cuz that just hit me)
Celebrity wise, I have George Michael who luckily for me actually played 'sort of God' on a TV show called Eli Stone. When Eli "dies" (temporarily) he sees him (and hes been having visions of him and actually met him) and he says "George? Are you God?" And George says "Some men have said so." And Michael means "who is like god?" And of course he's Greek so it's all very perfect.
You could think that said person (commedian)may have a different point of view after death than they had during life... at least you know he/she has a sense of humour ;)
I'm not totally against a God or goddess who gently chides you for thinking of them that way and sort of shrugs off the title but is still there for you in some ways...
(Besides all celebrities secretly or not so secretly live to be worshipped)
Since you have this channel, it would be helpful if you could aid folks in their growth, albeit not a responsibility as you say.
I don’t really know how to think about deity that isn’t universal or like an ultimate spirit. Are ancient deities minor spirits, I don’t think so.
there is no confusion to the adept individual.. RESPECT IS KEY , go forth and apply it
ODIN can kick Jehovah's ass as far i'm concerned. other folks "deities" can kiss my ass.
4 sins are the source of all humanity major trajedies &corruption, for these 4 sins, God promised (in Quran) eternal hellfire for the doers in the day of judgement:
1- Worshipping another deity with God/Allah, the creator of all.
2- Murder
3- Fornication
4- Eating Usuary (interest on loans)
Seek forgiveness of God, &be conscious about the judgement day, when all yr deeds and their consequences will be in a book that doesn't leave a tiny detail.
No one can save you from sins in that day except yr only God.
I assure you that this tactic you're employing has literally never converted anyone. Thanks for trying though. Appreciate it!
and you personally are a lovely looking girl.. kisses xx
One might say that the more people believe in one deity, the stronger and "realer" they become. That's why Jesus has been said to change so many lives for the better, because ALOT of people (including me - see the "**" at the bottom for explanation..) believe in him & what he stands for! I wonder how "real" deities can become?? We may believe so much collectively that a deity can heal and "save you" or even begin to "have powers" (water into wine idea..) & are able to actually speak with Humans and have all the "powers" that we believe them to have! So, if we believe in something so fiercely and wholeheartedly, it may come true! So we maybe should be aware of that and place belief in the proper, responsible hands...
**I also want to mention that I call myself a witch and I practice witchcraft, but I do still believe in Jesus. It came from my cultural upbringing, and in my practice, he does NOT judge me for being a witch and is okay with it. Granted, I don't work with Him as my Patron, but I still love his energy and I really vibe with it. He is the only one that I would want to call on if I ever feel an evil presence (as of now). So, for the Bible saying that witchcraft is evil, sure, maybe the bible says it, but Jesus doesn't mind it in my case.. Explain THAT orthodox Christians! LOL (Just kidding, please don't attack me ppl! LOL There is enough love to go around for all of us!!
wow! you look fit! trimming down for Summer. glad imma deity meself.