That's the goal for this channel, I have friends in the industry, i just need to amass a little more of a following ,so I can pay them for the animations , already have talented voice actors ready and waiting . eventually we want to be doing all sorts of what ifs , for multiple different anime.
I feel like the sternritters would just start going into shock by virtue of being in the presence of a hollow of that magnitude and power. Like you wouldn't even have to touch him to undergo the hollowifaction poisoning that Quincy's go through
In all seriousness, the Fear really wouldn't affect VL Ichigo because it is already the incarnation of Ichigo's fear. It is a creature of instinct that responds to fear with violence, not faltering. As Nödt would only make VL Ichigo/Zangetsu MORE dangerous.
If base Kenpachi can tear through space and open a hole in the sky then I'm assuming Vasto Lorde Ichigo is close to doing shit like that if not he surpasses it.
I disagree… Yama wouldn’t initially kill this version of Ichigo. He even let those 3 hollow girls( part of Harribel group) live in the FKT arc and he didn’t even know them plus they were his enemy. I think he would use enough power to weaken ichigo and then use some high level kido to subdue him.
At 1/5th of his actual power, if Ichigo was able to at will cast Vasto Lorde form, he could solo up to the top 5 guys. He definitely defeats Gremmy as well.
I mean if this power level is 10x that of the Vasto Lorde ichigo we see in the Hell Verse which literally was gonna destroy / tear apart hell itself. I think only the top tier quincy could even stand a chance
This version of Ichigo eats the Sternritters. Full Hollow Ichigo is pure Shinigami and Hollow powers. Besides a certain 6 Sternritters none of the others have a chance. This form is retardedly strong😪
He isn’t actually a vasto lorde. Vasto lordes are highly intelligent beings whereas ichigo was in a mindless beast kind of form. This is just the embodiment of Ichigos full powers that aren’t being suppressed by Quincy zangetsu. All while being at or around 30% spiritual power or even lower since his shihakusho is in tatters and only covering an arm and barely his lower half
Yeah your absolutely right , the fan base named this form Vasto Lorde and it just kinda stuck , I can remember when it first came out people were calling him , hollow king Ichigo.
Ehhh … Ichigo aping on people as Zangetsu would be fun but FB Bankai woulda clowned As Nodt already. Bankai Ichigo arriving early already high key stomps every Sternritter in the 1st Invasion that isn’t Jugram, Royd and … yeah, just those two. Assuming his Hollowfication is as big of an amp as just using his Mask (let alone the huge jump from when he fought SE Ulq), he just wrecks the Wandenreich even faster than he would’ve already. End of the day, Ichigoat kills off a third of the Sternritter day 1 and only 3 Quincies present and Yama are capable of standing up to him to any degree. Jugram is kinda the only one who can do anything here and Balance breaks Ichigo’s horn/transformation before the time limit is up. It’d also make more sense why Yhwach decided to let Gremmy out of his room since somebody has to deal with Hollow Ichigo.
Ichigos fulbright bankai has his hollow powers merged with it which I'd why he can't use tge mask. No vl transformation amp either. So taking the vl ichigo that fought ulquiorra he'd prob get through all quincies, except royd gremmy elites hashwalth and obv yhwach.
I feel like the almighty would be the only schrift he'd have any real difficulty against. The rest he will either be immune to or would just have high resistance to the point where he could overpower them if the battle is allowed to drag on
Ur wanking vl Ichigo too much l. He gets through all the normal sternritter, possiblely with mid difficulty. But royd gremmy all the elites hashwalth uryu and yhwach all low-no diff vl Ichigo. Also by "difficulty against almighty", u mean vl Ichigo gets one shotted neg diff.
I was actually having this convo in other video about how he turns into it, and from what others told me is that it’s only activated when ichigo died, not because he couldn’t protect others but since he couldn’t save himself, so then it’s Zangetsu (white) taking over and seeing as the zanpakuto is 1 part of 2 for the soul of a soul reaper, then he is just as strong as ichigo and hence why it is a mindless warmongering hollow with no hesitation because unlike ichigo White has no care But I love your story telling man, it’s very well detailed and you make many good points, love the What if series!
I really Hope you are subscribed brother ,we would love to have you . knowledgeable bleach fans are hard to come by , would love to have your input in other discussions as well! I'm really happy you enjoyed the video, it was a ton of fun to make .
@@SterlingABTV been subscribed for a while, love the channel man! I try to post a comment if I got any hot takes My bad, thought I was but must have clicked wrong, we is now!
Sternritters can't use Volstandig when they have a bankai, so i think Hollow Ichigo should have one shot him with the first slash, not even blut could withstand his slash or even he could have been too slow using blut to hold him self together before falling in two
Ya a totally forgot that while I was recording, I'd like to think maybe he could cast the bankia aside to use the vollstandig but that's just head canon on my part lol yeah your right fb bankia ichigo is an able monster but for storytelling sake I had to give asnodt a chance. I'm happy you stopped by brother .
From what we have seen of Vasto lorde ichigo he is absolutely unstoppable. We have literally never seen him in a bad way where he is hurt. Always tan though his enemies
Wasn't it stated that that form was only pushed out because of the amount of hollow riatsu he absorbed during his fight with Ulquiorra and that imbalance in SP made him transform. That's how he was able to use blute after his fight with Quilge and the horn of salvation vs Yhwach cuz he charged his power with their quincy riatsu
No tgat wasn't tge reason he transformed. Quincy rieatsu is diff in that quincies can absorb reishi. Tge vl transformation was just white helping ichigo
Quincies are weaker against Hollows as well, and with the level that he is at, at that point in time he'd be much stronger than what we saw against Ulquiorra.
@@mumfordboydylan8450Gerard and Lille are the only 2 that are semi immortal. If the cross gets cut, Gerard dies and Zaraki can cut through anything so a mastered Zaraki kills them all😪
Note that the only reason Aizen left Ichigo alive after evolving with Hogyoku is because he hoped to fight Vasto Lorde Ichigo in his realized boundary breaking form.
So I have a theoretically question here? Didn’t ichigo awaken his Quincy powers at this time. So wouldn’t the version of Vasto Lorde Ichigo we’re talking about here be able to use his advanced regeneration, Hierro, as well as Blut Vienna. While I do agree that Yamamoto or Yhwach will be the ones to stop him in this hypothetical scenario but it still would end like in canon ichigo going to squad 0 and it would’ve honestly made the horns of salvation for his true shikai just fit perfectly.
I'm not convinced the Balance would work against VL Ichigo because there is nothing fortunate about this form. It is tragic, so the Balance would not be able to shift things into Haschwalth's favor here.
I think so too. Also like someone else pointed out I don't see the fear working on vl ichigo either. Vl ichigo impaled ishida and sent orihime flying when he swung his sword. He didn't care about firing a point blank cero at ulquiorra either. He showed no fear and there's no good amount of fortune to that form.
Vastolorde have been described as incredibly powerful and intelligent hollows that have a rage state of pute destruction and power and they do even have combat adaptability Know Vastolorde are: Coyote Starrk, Tier Haribell and Ulquiorra Cifer
Hollows are poison to Quincy. Ichigo would be devastating in any fight against them as Vasto. His power is now modified from the Ginjo Fight when the Captains poured their energy into him through the sword. He would absolutely butcher most of the Vandenreich and Sternritter.
Hey great catch! I totally spaced that off , I would imagine maybe he could discard the bankia in order to use the vollstandig but I'm just now thinking that I totally spaced it off in the video lol , happy you stopped by if you aren't subbed already I would love to have ya a part of the page , smart bleach fans such as yourself are valuable to the channel!
Vasto Lorde Ichigo in his current state is just a Quincy Slaughter lol! And since Ichigo ends up beating Yuwa anyway. With Quincy's being weaker against Hallows. He would mop the floor with every Quincy period!!
I was expecting ruthlessness from Ichigo when he came back from the soul palace, his fighting display when he was up against the bambis was PITIFUL, screaming "b-baka!! Dodge it!!". So VL Ichigo is exactly what I was wanting to see, IT'S WAR dumbass, don't show mercy to the enemy. ANNIHILATE THEM.
Ichigo isn't necessarily a stone cold killer, he showed mercy to Grimmjow when he grabbed his hand after taking him down, and felt like he dishonored Ulquiorra by beating him as VL, he even came to understand Aizen somewhat. Ichigo is no brutal killer, he's a warrior of necessity who fights and sometimes kills so long as it is necessary. For Ichigo to become stone cold killer outta the blue would be out of character without enough personal reasons to truly warrant it.
@@elishaj2977 Ichigo was never a warrior. At the start of the story he seen as a gangster due to how easily he got into fights, later on it's shown how most of the times he had fought was to protect someone like Chad and the spirits, it could also be argued he was way more brash at the beginning because of spike in puberty but eh. The first time he has to rise up the mentality of warrior is when he goes to save Rukia, the first time where he had to face many intense fights in short time gaps between one and the other. Ichigo is no cold hearted fighter, but he's no warrior either. This point is specifically tackled when the dichotomy between Ichigo and White is created in their confrontation, showing that Ichigo has potential to become a true warrior who acts on fighting instincts. The world of skyscrapers is a further demonstration of his potential, which has a very vast room to grow. Ultimately, this was a possible development for Ichigo's character which he outright rejected, succumbing to fear of that side of himself consequently leading to dissociating and being overtaken many times. The vast world of skyscrapers having shrunk to the size of Karakura city and being sunken in the water as well, being the result of his many choices to dissociate and not embrace his own shadow. At the end of it, Bleach turned out to be this story about this little fiesty guy with a big heart who just wanted to protect his little piece of heaven. He a very adult development, it passes a very warm message. However, I much prefer this IF scenarios where he just goes Mad Dog and rampages, because this story originally started in Shounen roots and continued to expand on these shounen roots up to the very start of the Arrancar arc. I like Bleach how it currently is, but the reality is Ichigo won't as sharp as he could've been, as stylish and cool as he could've been, and the true warrior he could have been.
But Ichigo does act on fighting instinct, he just doesn't fight mindlessly. Hell in the Ulquiorra fight he instinctively used Getsuga to stop his head from being cut off by Ulquiorra's luz de luna. The issue is really being strong enough to not have to rely upon White and Zangetsu to pick up the slack for him every time and when he finally achieves true shikai I always felt that was a natural progression. That aside, Ichigo in fighting never goes harder then he needs to, but he can go hard as hell when necessary I mean look at his fight with Tsukishima or his fight with Aizen. A true warrior is not some battle hungry menace running around looking for a fight, but someone who acts as necessary to harm when necessary and when necessary fight without reserve physically or without reserve in brutality. I think Ichigo has embodied this ideal, but that's just me.
@@elishaj2977 I understand what you mean, but what I was saying wasn't that for Ichigo to be a true warrior he had to fight like a Kenpachi does, for example. The thing where White always took over him was a situation that happened because he never accepted that he COULD enjoy fighting, or completely immerse himself in the act of the fight. He never embraced the spirit of the warrior, he saw fighting as a burden, and had a point where he even got afraid of the idea of fighting. Instead of embracing White, he got afraid of that side of him, the consequence of that was that he dissociated, completely cutting the aspect of his personality that enjoyed fighting. White always had that talk of "Instinct" when fighting Ichigo, now at the Quincy arc all those ideas got cemented with the "The Blade is Me" episode.
The opening fight of hellverse between Ulquiorra and VL ichigo IS canon, fun fact. Kubo stated editors forced him to end the fight early, and he was excited to finally use the choreography and art he had already made
@@SableAiolos yes that opening fight is canon, but all that shows is Ichigo vs ulquiorra was closer than we thought. Ichigo didn't show anything surpassing what was in the source material. The scale people refer to in hell verse is Ichigo almost destroying hell, which is non canon.
In order for this to happen Ichigo would have to never use The Final Getsuo-Tensho against Aizen, still go through the Fullbring arc, and gain the Soul Sword created for him by The Captains
I'd love to! Great idea! There is a ton of fun to be had with that and I mean a ton! Kisuke is one of my all time favorites and if he were to turn heel there would be no hope for soul society
Probably a hot take but urahara and aizen are both overrated. Aizen wouldn't have gotten as far as he did without the hygyoku. And the only thing he has going for him ks and his immortality. And urahara is a prep guy and that's all he has going for him.
Vasto Lordes Ichigo is stated to be substantially stronger then Dangai Ichigo by Aizen in chapter 419. True Shikai Ichigo was stated by yhwach to be equal to Dangai Ichigo. So we Know VL is at least a mid tier transcendent, as dangai scaled above Chrysalis+ butterfly aizen. The only people that have the ability to even -resist- VL Ichigo to some degree would be Small/medium degree - Royal guard training Byakuya Tenjiro kirinji Oetsu Nimaiya Jugram Askin (Angel form) Yamamoto (shikai) Gremmy (Got speed blitzed repeatedly by Kenpachi who allowed him to heal more then once.. without clones no chance) Bankai Urahara Bankai Unohana Cat Goddess Yoruichi "Adult form" Toshirou. - Bankai High degree/might win Ichibei - Bankai Yamamoto - Bankai Jugram - The Almighty + The Balance Lille. - Intangibility Angel form Gerard - Infinite respawn Yhwach the almighty + stronger forms Gremmy - 10+ clones Pernida. - Angel form Kyoraku - Bankai Kenpachi - Bankai The 4 man squads that fought between the sternritter and squad 0 would also lose 4v1's to VL Ichigo. This includes Oetsu Nimaiya (One hit one kill) Tenjiro Kirinji (The fastest member of squad 0. Speedblitzed Ichigo though his wrist was broken) Infinite healing for allies + dissolves enemies. massive aoe. Kirio Hikifune - Tree of life (Highly nullifies VL ichigo's Ceros and traps him) Senjumaru Shutara - Can seemingly manipulate reality to some cloth based degree. Lille Barro - X-axis (nullified by Oetsu's reiatsu focused into an object + the ability to cut anything, VL ichigo is transcendant X-axis is just nullified) Gerard Valkyrie - One Shot by Oetsu and couldn't use his ability. (VL Ichigo is faster with higher attack power) Pernida. - Speed blitzed by Oetsu.. the ONLY member of this group with a feat. He managed to sneak attack Yoruichi by Oetsu was able to react to him "Activating" his ability and one shot him Askin - "the death dealing" - Able to react to Oetsu more then once, and nearly defeat him using his ability. However, VL Ichigo is faster, and transcendent so can't be affected by his ability most likely.
@micah421yt Actually in chapter 419 Aizen states this, after his butterfly form loses to Dangai Ichigo. So we have confirmation from Aizen himself that his butterfly form is weaker then VL Ichigo. (Obviously theres confirmation Ulquiorra vs Ichigo was observed remotely by Aizen)
@@SableAiolosAizen never comments this I literally had to go reread the chapter in 419 Aizen doesn’t even comment on Hollow Ichigo and this is also the same chapter Ichigo teases the final getsuga
As nodt would still win. Byakuya believed he needed bankai against base as nodt and as nodt still had vollstanding which is a greater multiplier than bankai
@@Blackmustache870As Nodt compared Royal Palace Byakuya's Shikai to his Bankai and Byakuya was absolutely defiling Vollstandig As Nodt and looked at him like trash and let Rukia finish him up so she could take a W for once. Not every Vollstandig gives a ridiculous power boost, As Nodt's is almost purely hax based. Also As Nodt was forced to use Blut Vene constantly to keep from getting sliced by Pre-Royal Palace Byakuya's normal Shikai. In either case, it's a lot closer then you think.
@@elishaj2977 rg training byakuyas increase in power is not exactly old bankai to new shiaki power. As nodt just saw the amount of sword petals and figured it was too much to look like his shiaki, so he figured it was his bankai. So most likely, byakuyas new shikai is even stronger than his old bankai unless u believe as nodt, in that short time counted every individual 1 million sword petal.
@@Blackmustache870 He still made the comparison and didn't think much of the difference until Byakuya clarifies it as being Shikai, if it was way stronger then his usual Bankai As Nodt would have said something along the lines of it Byakuya having gotten a huge powerup.
@elishaj2977 he made the comparison because he had the bankai himself before so it wasn't conceivable to him tgat byakuya could get such an upgrade. That's all. Nothing showed the old bankai and new shikai were relative. For as nodt to make that comparison, the only way he could do it would be to count every individual flower petal since the overall size of something as small as flower petals with the quantity being spread out isn't reliable
I think he just wipes everyone with the exception of Yw, Barro and maybe Gerard. But he might be able to kill barro and Gerard. Especially if he were to just Blitz them. I'm curious if him being a hollow might help him destroy Gerard's cross. I don't even know if that's needed though because Oetsu kills Gerard and Barro easily so I don't see why this Hollow Ichigo wouldn't as well, so long as he just blitzes them.
@@totemgod4386 oh I definitely agree , lille and Gerard are the only ones putting up a decent fight oh and ig we have to consider jugrim but that just depends how the balance would interact with ceros and what not . You have my gears turning when it comes to Gerard's Quincy cross , wonder if what your saying would slow down his regeneration/ shrift. It's a ton of fun to think about
If it’s vasto lorde off of fullbring bankai he’d likely solo up to the royal guards like Gerard But the vasto lorde that fought ulquiorra is weaker the fullbring shikai
Ichigo faced off against that form + young Zangetsu fused when he started his Mugetsu training and could hold his own to a stronger form before he even got into Dangai mode. Ichigo's Fullbring power is stronger than his previous power. That form gets solo.
if yama was facing this vasto lorde ichigo in a one on one fight from the start than he would have to use his maximum capabilities of bankai to defeat the vasto lorde ichigo and that is at very high difficulty and at that stage yamamoto will be tired and weak keep this in mind that if he engages ichigo before the sternritters than he will barely win and if ichigo just had defeated all the sternritter present at that time except the royal guard then yes yamamoto will still have to use his bankai but not at max power and will defeat him at mid difficulty.
@@Ghhb-jr4sk no he isn't bro Yamamoto is very powerful the strongest shinigami in the gotai 13 but he can't beat Vasto Lorde ichigo especially the one in the start of blood war arc if ichigo did transform at that moment which is at full power compared to the one in arrancar arc which fought ulqiuorra current yamamoto will need his bankai and at maximum power to beat ichigo in that form and barely win
@@TheOne214 no. Ichigos hollow powers merged with his fullbring. The fact he can't form the mask anymore is clear proof he can't hollowfie in any way in his fullbring state. No, yammammoto by narrative statements is shown way more than vast lorde Ichigo. In just shikai, yammammoto not only has enough power to overcome kyoka suigetsu, but actually beat aizen as well. That's way more than u can say for vl ichigo.
@@Ghhb-jr4sk I think you have forgotten that Yamamoto has gotten weaker after losing his one arm so he doesn't defeat VL ichigo at 100 percent power just with his Shikai not happening in bankai he can but with high difficulty
@@TheOne214 Even with one arm, yammammoto still VASTLY eclipses anyone in the soul society AND yhwach was still the only person who could capture his bankai. But ye I did forget yammammoto lost an arm. I still don't buy that vasto Lorde Ichigo would shit on shikai yammammoto, but either way bankai yammammoto wouldn't even be a question, he destroys vl ichigo.
We know where his power caps off at tho. In ichigo vs ulquiorra, rukia could sense the rieatsu of vl ichigo with 30% of his shihakshou. Ishiin yoruichi and kisuke 100% have more rieatsu than rukia(especially yoruichi and ishiin for being nobles), but they couldn't feel chrysalis aizen. No matter where scales he isn't making it past chrysalis aizen.
Hey brother thanks for stopping by! I didn't forget I just didn't see a chance to flesh that out because imo just being around a hollow isn't efficient enough to poison a Quincy , I think it has to be a direct soul to soul contact kinda thing , I could be wrong , id be stoked to hear your thoughts on the matter .
@@quackmoth8519in a head to head to head fight were shown the poison isn't incredibly potent. Grimmjow and Nelliel and hallibel who r all relatively equal in power(3rd espada lvl or higher) had difficulty with the sternritters girls. Hollows aren't rlly direct poison to quincies. It's LIKE they're poison because unlike soul reapers, quincies don't have a natural defence to hollows. Unless the hollows make contact with quincies with any fatal open wounds or get absorbed by the Quincy, they're battle power stays relatively the same.
Hollow spiritual pressure is like cancer to quincies especially pure blooded Quincies so in terms of saying hollow ichigo alone kills every sternritter with his sp alone
The war would end The only option Is retreat After all hollows are poisonous to quincy Only the balance would have a legitimate chance of stopping his regenerat wouldn't stop him for long Also considering the idea is he wants to protect everyone in the soul society Combo that with The fact he recognized orihime I doubt he'd be going after the soul reapers Instead Is targeting those wearing the quincy uniform So it's more likely That the soul society Would give him reinforcements After all with every big kill a Bankai is freed up And I doubt they try to draw it in again. Knowing they might pull in some of the hollows power in the medallion Oh yeah and considering ichigo Big transformation was just his realization that his hollow is zangetsu and that the old man zangetsu Is quincy power It's likely that he'd be Stronger then the ichigo we got so I doubt The captain commander could not do anything And besides, if spiritual pressure is too big, it will negate other powers so the fire won't touch him
Yhwach bodies vl ichigo no matter what. The 4 elite sternritters do as well, though I'm not sure how strong they r without aushwhalen. Gremmy bodies him as well as Royd. The poison isn't rlly poison. Unlike soul reapers, quincies just have no natural defense against hollows. That advantage isn't rlly that strong as the cfyow espadas struggled with the quincy girls, but that disadvantage can simply be overcome by someone being massively stronger than vl ichigo.
I need more facts: So we are talking of a vasto lorde much stronger (bc ichigo it's stronger at this point in the story) and we are talking about a full power one But how much strong? I think it's really important I really wanna think that he can put up a fight but i also am not sure that he actually can If his reatsu his so massive and strong are the enemy hax having still an effect on him? He can regen every damage, he has such speed and power and defense also i think (hierro) and if he uses bola, imagine how fast and strong those can be Give me facts guys, i really wanna read good opinions about this Also, what if we consider this form with reason intact? How much strong this form can be if used with strategic thinking?
i honestly think hes not that much more powerful. Hollow Ichigo is when white takes over meaning that he is temporary free form the control of Old man Zan. Meaning that the hollow Ichigo we see in wakomundo is the full power of Ichigos Hollow ability.
Vl ichigo existing at that point is impossible because ichigo already fused jhis hollow powers with his fullbring, hence why the mask isn't a thing anymore and since he can't hollowfy, vl ichigo at that that point in the story doesn't exist
Solid 2 minutes repeating that Ichigo has now transformed omg vasto lorde omg omg omg So many places he just gets caught up repeating something multiple time... ngl i keep losing interest when the same point is thrown out there 3-5 times
To each their own brother. I hope you can find something else u like , if not no biggie still happy u stoped by! I respect your opinion but either way I love bleach and had alot of fun making this.
Realistically.. he's not getting far. Like honestly, Vasto Lorde is strong. He'll blitz the normies.. Then he stops at askan. Askan already proven this since he beat True shikai ichigo who stated by yhwach " you regained the power you used to fight aizen" Literally , Askan is the stopping point. Going past him is immediate cap, I'm sorry.
Something that we need to recognise here is that every quincy in the sereitei would absolutely SHIT THEMSELVES. Think about it, one of the special war powers that is dangerous because of his POTENTIAL JUST BECAME A FUCKING HOLLOW, AKA THE POISON THAT KILLS QUINCIES. the video says that vasto lorde runs up to opponents, no. THERE WOULD BE NO OPPONENTS FOR ICHIGO TI RUN INTO. Every one of them would run for their lives, hell i believe that yhwach himself would show up to kill him since he is single-handendly the BIGGEST counter to the quincies, actively threatening their entire existence.
Ive been working on putting together an animation for this what if but updated a little , we have some really talented voice actors on bored as well , the dude doing vasto lorde is incredible
If this comes to fruition i will be falling from my chair from seer excitement. Vasto lorde is already my favourite ichigo form and i believe we never truly got to see just how destructive it could be, so seeing the reactions of quincies and even soul reapers at just what the substitute shinigami has become will be an excellent yet terrifying spectacle. Especially since we have to remember that, entire sternritter were quite literally having near panic attacks at ichigo just using sonido, (even though i believe they panicked simply because they couldn't sense him and believed he was about to start killing some of them) so just seeing the personification of the apex of hollow evolution combined with shinigami powers as well as quincy powers(possibly) would absolutely have a lot if them be unable to move. Overall i am really excited for the future of this project and trust me. I will be there to see it. Good luck!
That final form of ichigos is so badass! Extremely powerful as well , can't wait to see if the anime gives us more of that form and a longer battle between Ichigo and ywach! Super happy u stopped by brother , would love to have ya apart of the group! Knowledgeable bleach fans are hard to come by!
A good scale would be SAWFY Kenpachi pre retsu training being stronger than cien espada 0 who is stronger than vasto lorde as stated by uryu. Shikai Kenpachi > Post Retsu Training Kenpachi > TYBW Kenpachi => SAWFY Kenpachi > Cien > Vasto Lorde You can scale Gerard, pernida and gremmy above vasto lorde by far easily since they scale either higher or to a much stronger kenpachi who's weaker ver is above vasto lorde. Aswell as lille, askin, haschwalth, maybe Uryu and ofcourse yhwach.
@@MrDeclareWar the 1 shot of the hollow that break out of ichibei seal make no sense either to be honest. The writting isn't too bad but the power scaling is just all over the place
@@flyingcactus1953 huh what one shot? You aren’t referring to ikomikidomoe in CFYOW are you? Cause he’s still sealed and lost half his power until hikone awakens him as his zanpakuto.
@@MrDeclareWar yes , Iam talking about ikomikidomoe , he break out of ichibei seal (regain his name) after absorbing the fragment of soul king nail. And yet, kenpachi 1 shot him with his shikai. TBH, that is so dumb
Yeah I forgot about askin floating around! He's definitely got what it takes to put VL down . Imo any of the royal guard could do it. Really happy you stoped by brother , would love to have ya apart of the group .
i cant agree with that if true shikai bankai ichigo ended up fighting yhwach and yhwach had to break his bankai then askin would probably get 1 shotted considering hypothetical post fullbring bankai vasto lorde is on that level
Correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a while since I read the manga, but wouldn't vasto ichigo just blitz and kill uryu before he uses antithesis? Or did Uryu get stronger during the arc aside from getting antithesis?
It's hard to scale, Uryu show no feat since the time skip except for the antithesis. The only thing we have is one of the sterriter replying to Ichigo that it is impossible his arrow is stronger than Uryu.
@malguroni5660 the thing is the anime might have buffed the antithesis with what uryu did in the last episode so he likely will be able to beat ichigo
Dangai Ichigo will murder any form of Yhwach except Soul King Yhwach. I think even Almighty Yhwach might lose to Dangai Ichigo. Dangai Ichigo simply is THAT strong. He's close to true shikai Ichigo.
Vasto Lorde Ichigo isn’t really a thing. I guess we say that because a lot of us don’t understand what it means to be a Vasto Lorde. Still, best transformation of all time.
Considering hollows are like cancer to Quincy’s and how many of the sternritter are between Vice captain and captain level I think VL Ichigo would likely stomp. Now would he stomp as hard as true bankai ichigo? No but his inherent abilities as a hollow would go crazy
I completely agree! There seems to be a mixed bag as to how strong people think this form is. Ive always thought this form of ichigo was pretty powerful . Really happy your stoped by brother!
Vasto lorde could very much solo alot of em. Once you get to the S tier quincy vasto lorde couldn't win. Dangai ichigo could but yeah even that's somthing my head isn't comfortable thinking rationally
kenpachi zaraki woud be the first to go to him i mean he sed he whants to fight him again that woud be an awesome fight maybe we can even twist the story and make that fight awaken his zanpakto instead of unohana
no, the Sternritter would crush Ichigo's fully Hollowfied form, the only way Ichigo can win against an enemy like the Sternritter is for him to understand his power, have full access to his true power and be able to fully control it
VL ichigo would be able to just destroy most if not all Quincy, the only issue I have with your story is the Quincy can't use holy form if they have a stolen banki
Yhwach represents his Almighty as the power to change the future, but it's really the power to bring any selected future to the present. If there is no future where what he desires occurs, he would not be able to make it present, so he would not be able to defeat Hollow Ichigo. Jk but I did want to point out that weakness with the Almighty
Ulquiorra in his second form is probably only weaker then Yamamoto and Aizen. And Vasto Lorde was toying with Ulquiorra. So Vasto Lorde would wipe the floor with most of the sternritters
your telling me his hollow mask doesnt buff his soul reaper forms thats cap and if its the ichigo in the blood war ark then that stronger version of his soul reaper forms would be buffed by his VL form if it was used
@@Ghhb-jr4sk ichigo doesn't have hos at this point wdym. I'm talking about the first invasion, in this vid the op has him arriving to the Soul Society earlier by escaping Quilges jail. At that point , he doesn't have hos or knows about his powers. Now you can keep talking but I think we both know we're done here
Your absolutely right , I totally spaced that out while recording, Id like to say maybe he could discard it but I'm not going to pretend I didn't just come up with that 😂 good catch, thanks for stopping by brother.
Yeah I get where your coming from , but at the same time this is a hypothetical version but I definitely see your side , full bring bankai ichigo is extremely strong , I'm not a power scaler more just a story teller , I'm just stoked you stopped by! Reading the comments on here I see many people have different opinions on the power of the VL form.
@@SterlingABTVyeah i 100% agree and that its j a hypothetical. But in terms of power, vasto lorde isnt actually that strong compared to dangai ichigo, fullbring shikai ichigo, etc, because of his vasto lorde being able to be bullied by pre hogyoku fusion aizen
Vastolorde got a better transformation multiplier than bankai fullbring. If tybw ichigo transformed with max reiatsu i can see him getting high diffed by yhwach
@@rayane3035 I like the way you think brother , if your not subbed already I sure hope you do , knowledgeable bleach fans such a as yourself are hard to come by u would be so valuable to have apart of the channel , at the very least I hope I hear from ya in future videos!
@@rayane3035 vasto lorde is not even close to the multiplier of true shikai, as his true shikai is his full hollow powers and full Quincy powers in combination and not being held back, as we see with horn of salvation
@@schylercarmine4010 I never thought about that , I completely agree. I love that you brought that up , I would like to redo a lot of these what ifs , there are a lot of different angles to look at.
No, vasto lorde at this point would be much weaker than current tybw ichigo, reason? Tybw ichigo was said to be stronger than mugetsu, my source? Kubo said so, vasto lorde is also the strongest hollow form but let me say that both mugetsu and vasto were both equal, meaning vasto lorde would have gotten folded by a quincy, another thing to back up my source is that a vasto lorde in a flashback was soloed by ichigos mom, a medic quincy.
Whoa i dont agree respectfully. Ichigo that fights aizen was a transcending being that only aizen could sense. Mugestu is a technique more than a form.Hell movie that Kubo observed and added showed Ulqi much closer to the strength of Vasto. And he wasn't transcended. The white that fought his mom and dad was feral with 0 techniques. Are u implyin his mom is stronger then most captains? Vasto can perhaps beat some quincies but he doesn't make it that far. The high tier quincies are the problem. Most of the the other quincies are simply captain lvl.
Pre Soul Palace training ichigo beats most of the quincies. He needed to train to fight Yhwach big difference. Rukia and Renji weren't captain lvl they needed to train to reach slightly above captain lvl. Byakyua main issue was mental fortitude he lost the 1st time because Asnodt tricky ability got the best of him not because he was outright stronger. I gave those examples to say the top 6 Espada it isn't that big of a gap with them and the quincies. Besides the upper echelon ones. Theres no hints are references stating that Kenpachi got stronger in between arcs before Unohana training. U dont think Nnoritoa cant kill the same 3 sternritters kenny killed in the 1st invasion?
And we all agree Vasto is stronger then the Esapada and even more deadly with a actual sword. And Ulqi is beatin every vizord captain. So Mask defeating them doesn't say much besides he's above average capt lvl and nothing is stated those visords gotten stronger in between FKT-TYBW. And so Ulqi 2nd release is above avg captain lvl as well. And we know at best his 2nd release got mid diff by vasto.
Vasto Lorde ichigo...owns bleach...😂😂😂😂😂😂😂it would be a dark time for everyone...dude called his sword telepathically...talk about power....bruh...even ywach was afraid of ichigos bankai...Vasto Lorde Ichigo...bruh Game Over...horror movie ending where the Evil wins...only this time it's VL Ichigo
That telepathic call was my favorite hint that confirmed White was 100% Zangetsu. Nowhere else in Bleach do we see a character literally force pull their sword straight back into their hand in that manner.
Ichigo hypothetical vasto lord+ Fullbring bankai vs asnot? Is that a joke? And he couldn’t cut him because the plot vane? i mean the hollow skill for defense didn’t help ulqor or whatever his name is and this ichigo is 10 times stronger, in fact only Fullbring Bankai ichigo can defeat asnot in his vollstandig
The only way True Hollow Ichigo/Zangetsu Ichigo would compare to the level of the Sternritter, is to have one key factor in place. Ichigo would have to have his full Bankai shuhakusho in tact (pre fullbring or post fullbring doesnt really matter, the latter just makes the fight even easier). The version of Hollowfied Ichigo we saw fight Ulquiorra only had 1/4th of it's power (Ichigo's remaining sleeve, as explained to Unohana). 1/4th and stomped. Likely, Full Hollowfied Ichigo, completely healed, would have been comparable to 1st or 2nd transformation Aizen (everyone seems to forget that Ichigo exists as a 4th dimensional being, but he can only access this level of power in an unconcious state (such as when old man zangetsu or White interfere); he is always transcended, which explains much of his plot armor and learning speed/talents) but would not have been able to overcome the hogyoku. No Sternritter have a hogyoku, so the only enemies this fully healed version of Hollowfied Ichigo would have true trouble against would be the Royal Guards, Uryu, Hashwalth, and Ywach (with no way to overcome The Almighty alone)
@@jesse7770 I appreciate it brother, I'm pretty tuff skinned , we have a ton of fun on this channel and our small little group of subscribers are seriously some of the coolest people I've ever met , if I let the haters get me down It would be disrespectful to all the new friends I've made here that enjoy these vids . Thanks for deciding to comment , made my day .
Let's not forget vasto lorde Ichigo wasn't even at full power.. since is clothes which represents how much power he has was damn near gone..so yea he whooping most of the the sternritters about 90-95% of them
@@blackzangetsu716 Let me be clear. Ichigo has [Reaper 33%], [Hollow 33%], and [Quincy 33%] powers. Ichigo's [Reaper 33%] powers, are tied directly to his [Hollow 33%] powers. So Ichigo by himself, only has half of his [Reaper 33%] powers. When Ichigo Hollofies, he gets up to 33% more power - This depends on how much hollow he can draw out. Now remember Ichigo's Bankai shows how much reiatsu he has by the amount of clothing, 100% clothing = 100% Bankai Reiatsu. No one said this applied to Hollow Ichigo. Ichigo was getting his ass kicked before hand with 100% clothing, then Hollow Ichigo was kicking ass with 10% clothing. Conclusion is simple: Hollow Ichigo ignores the clothing, or Hollow Ichigo is over 100 times stronger than Ichigo to make up the gap in power that Ulquiorra literally rained on Ichigo. - Regardless of the answer, lets pretend Hollow Ichigo was 100 times stronger. Quincy don't care, Yamamoto could beat him. Therefore Bass B, and a lot of Quincy could fight on even ground. The only reason why Ichigo did not die with Quincy was literally because of his power and intelligence. Gremmy solos him, because I don't see him cutting space. Let's say Hollow Ichigo does cut space, we have a long line of people who can solo him just because of how Hollow Ichigo functions. Squad Zero can dust him. - I know Ichigo cantb eat the guards or ywach but lets take a step down, Quilge J, Haschwalth B, Bambi E, James and Mask S, Gremmy V, Loyd Y (copying powers), Candice T (Sheer power), Bazz B B. If they can hurt Kenpachi (WITHOUT HIS SHIKAI), they can kill Ichigo. Yamamoto can beat Ichigo, well Hollow Ichigo. - There is no argument for Vasto Lorde Ichigo in TYBW, because for Ichigo to even become as strong as he was in TYBW he literally had completely and chance for him to lose contol to Hollow Ichigo. Vasto Lorde Ichigo, is literally an out of control Hollow Ichigo - That is literally how that form exists and is inherently weaker than an Ichigo with Hollow Ichigo under control.
@@PowerIsEverything-gp2zp you dont understand basic maths and science and fail to follow basic story telling and comparing stuff back and forth between pages. are you dragon ball fan? do you apply goku's brain cells everywhere you go? Casually ignored yhwach spirit nerfing him, shinigami badge nerfing, white fluctuating powers, mental restrictions by ichigo because scared of white,. You are one of those ppl that believe full bring is stronger than VL or dangai? Did it ever occur to you that the reiatsu that was collected in that sword could be less than wht ichigo had before losing his powers? Listed 2 lines of logic and 10 lines of inferences. Yamamoto is weaker than VL ichigo, cope. So by association all the garbage u listed is also weaker. Gerard, askin and pernida will get blitzed and cero'd after that if ichigo has some cotnrol over VL's action, he will cut himself and insert blood into their wounds, they are dead otherwise they will keep getting blitzed or maybe pernida or askin will adapt and win. Lille is the only one that will survive in vollstandig, whether he can tag ichigo or not and whether ichigo cannot regen from his attacks is an unknown. All zero squad members weaker than yamamoto will die. Maybe ichibei can win, that depends if ichigo can reiatsu neg his hacks or dodge the attacks and blitz, shatter his head with a cero dismember him, make him wear same clothes as aizen, put him on chair sama, call his name, revive him and make him a dog like makima would to denji. The VL has win condition against anyone except yhwach after almighty.
@@AnonymousCranberry I am not reading all that, because none of you power scalers can not put together a physics equation with Lamba and Delta - Which are required for half the math you want to talk about. Hueco Mundo Vasto Lorde Ichigo loses end of story. Go read the manga or watch the anime. I actually know what happened in the story but most of all why. I am not arguing with idiot who don't understand that massive difference between [Ichigo], [Hollow Mask Ichigo], and [Hollow Ichigo] - Let the fact that you don't understand why Ichigo does not Hollowfy anymore which completely removes any of the Vasto Lorde scenarios you are hoping for.
@@PowerIsEverything-gp2zp Oh i understand enough to know that the equation u r looking for is e = hu not lambda and delta even though u depends on delta. He does transform into hollow when he whips out the HOS. There is no TS/HOS/Bankai without that hollow and VL that we see vs ulquiorra is full manifetation of that shinigami and hollow powers. The only way it didnt straight up shoot aizen from heuco mundo straigt into FKT is probably because yhwach manifestation was fighting to supress that hollow and usually both ichigo and yhwach suppress that hollow but considering ichigo was dead then yhwach only blocked what he can. If there was no conflict and yhwach decided that I will not give him my powers but i will not actively try to suppress it, he would be as strong as true bankai/mugetsu - quincy powers. Basic stuff, just cope.
The fear would not work on ichigo because he would be stronger then aznot just like how soifins didn't 2 shot aizen because izan was so much stronger then her
That isn't why that failed. Aizen was never hit by Suzumibachi in the first place, he was using Kyoka Suigetsu the whole time. The entire fight was basically the captain's exhausting themselves playing with Aizen's illusions.
@@ASNS117Zeroaizen was hit by it. If he wasn't than it had to be momo because the aizen we saw get hit was trapped in ice and didn't escape until AFTER the two hit sting. If that was momo than momo would be dead. That was obv aizen
@@Ghhb-jr4sk Jesus Christ Bleach fans have selective cognition when it comes to there favorite book. "When did you think I wasn't using Kyoka Suigetsu?" Seriously. It's like you guys didn't even read the manga, but instead just watch UA-cam shorts.
@@ASNS117Zero when did u think I wasn't using kyoka suigetsu doesn't mean he was using it the whole time dumbass. It just means aizen was playing on shinjis knowledge of shinji thinking aizen wasn't using it until that moment. He could've used it before, but the fact remains that all the facts show soi fon DID hit aizen. This piece of lore is explained in zaraki vs Ichigo as well as cfyow too
Aznots fear wouldn’t work because it’s Vasto Lorde that fought Ulquiorra. Ichigo was quite literally dead while in Vasto Lorde which was a mindless version of Ichigo full power. I don’t think fear works on a dead man although someone could probably prove me wrong.
There no point in this . Cause ichigo would easily get taken down by the highest tiers on field. Which would end up with captain Yama fighting 4 people. Which he would easily kill all but 3. Yama would get stabbed the back again. And ichigo would become more a Quincy. Cause he get taken with them. Only difference Bach may be injured after saving ichigo. Then everything would go as Bach planned and soul society will be obliterated. Anyone who thinks ichigo beats Yamamoto is a joke. Now maybe true bankai ichigo maybe. If you are one the saying ichigo cut the chains of hell. Yamamoto bankai took all water and water abilities off the board. In fact he had rein in some the power to not destroy souls society by mistake. He had Bach scared to fight him straight up. This same Bach got stronger and did not even think To over prepare for a way stronger ichigo. Yamamoto is possibly close to or just as strong as ichiba. He was the way there is a zero division. Heck the threats to him are only 3 people . Bach, ichiba, and Azien. And 2 of those people had a plan to seal him then sneak him to win.
The whole point is , its fun! Like what u just said was pretty cool and I had fun reading it! I like the route you took it! I had a lot of people request this one , I'm not a power scaler I just like to tell a cool story! I'm happy you stopped by brother.
Man I had fun listening to it, but it seem only you and I know Big Yama washes that ichigo. It’s like saying that Goku beats Anos. While Goku strong he doesn’t solo even one. Lol but it was fun concept and I really it.
The what if I always wondered is if TK wasn't pulling stuff out of HIS ASS in "Everything But The Rain" why didn't Ichigo's Quincy powers trigger after losing them in the conclusion to the fight with Aizen to me to me THAT would've been a stunning reveal plus Yhwatch would've had Ichigo for the invasion since Uryu would've been teaching Ichigo on how to be a Quincy
The FGT was ALL his powers. The Quincy aspect disappeared with the Shinigami aspect. That is literally what we see in "Tensa Zangetsu" the spirit. It's his Quincy + Shinigami/Hollow powers as one blade, for one final attack.
The white haired form that teached ichigo The final getsuga - Mugetsu was a fusion of "The old man". White, and ichigo's own zanpaktou. White and The old man are external manifestations, created by Aizen and Yhwach. White stated earlier if Ichigo ever died he would steal his body.. White was already mid/high captain level in life and Aizen was giddy with anticipation just to see it fuse to a quincy stating it would be many rtimes stronger. Essentially, since White no longer wished to manifest independently, it allowed itself to be diminished to fuel the mugetsu
@@drhashtagyolo It's a lot closer than you think since the Vasto Lorde + Tenza Zangetsu we saw train Ichigo in Dangai was probably one of the strongest beings in all of Bleach since it represented ALL of Ichigo's powers. And we know true bankai Ichigo was so strong it forced EoS Yhwach to break it since it was an immediate threat to him. Since the Vasto Lorde is only a part of Ichigo's powers I'm not sure if it's relative to true shikai Ichigo or not. Def not relative to true bankai Ichigo, so it's a 50/50 in my eyes. But considering he completely destroyed Ulquiorra who was stronger than Starkk who fought 1v1 against the future head captain Shunsui who was one of the MVPs even without Bankai, I'd say he would defeat at least 70-80% of the Sternritters. The rest of them it could go either way besides hax characters like Uryu, Jugram, and Yhwach w/ All Mighty. Also yes, I believe Uryu and Jugram are stronger than Yhwach before he awakened The All Mighty
@joaquincasascortes624 ichigo wasn't relative to him. Ichigo himself in the training clearly stated that he could've killed ichigo at any time he wanted. Also that form misses out ichigos own power which is a MASSIVE decrease in power compared to ichigos whole power. We see this when yhwach absorbs the hollow and quincy powers ichigo had, which neither could do anything to yhwach, but ichigos normal true bankai could still stand near yhwach(and yes, when ichigo one shotted him, it was a sneak attack, yhwachs powers were off, AND Ichigo didn't have and hollow or quincy powes). Ichigo himself is a hybrid being in ts, not parts of him r hollow and others quincy and the version that looks like him is human. So no, that being that trained ichigo wasn't anywhere near tybw ichigo AND could've killed ichigo at any time. Ulquiorra isn't stronger than starrk. Rukia could sense vl ichigos rieatsu while kisuke yoruichi and ishiin couldn't sense aizens rieatsu l. That shows enough. Ts ichigo shits in vl ichigo.
@@Blackmustache870 1. I never said that full power tenza zangetsu was relative to Ichigo 2. Yes he is, there are too many reasons why Ulquiorra is stronger than Starkk 3. Aizen was expecting to fight Vasto Lorde Ichigo when he arrived to Karakura town. Yes, the same Aizen that wanted someone else to defeat/stop him thought VL Ichigo could've stood a chance against his Hogyoku amped self. If VL Ichigo wasn't impressive, Hogyoku amped Aizen wouldn't have wanted to fight him in the first place.
@joaquincasascortes624 @joaquincasascortes624 u said u Weren't sure if vl ichigo was relative or not meaning u believe there's a slight chance he might be. My example proved he isn't. The only thing u can give ulquiorra was that the scale of his fight LOOKED bigger than starrks fight, but kubo does this with a lot if ichigos hype moments. Ichigos 1st getsuga tenshou was far greater in scale than any other getsuga tenshou he fired later on. Ichigos fight with grimmjow seemed greater in scale than noitorras fight with zaraki but noitorra is stronger than grimmjow at that moment. To give u an idea the difference in power between 1st release ulquiorra and starrk, in cfyow hallibel grimmjow and nelliel r all relative in power. Yet, grimmjow is stated by ikomikidomoe that he wouldn't stand a chance vs pre hokyoku amp barragon. Grimmjow himself confirms this. Since grimmjow is relative in power to cfyow hallibel, that makes him stronger than 1st release ulquiorra. That shows that even the difference in power between barragon before the hokyoku amp and 1st release ulquiorra is already massive. Add fkt barragon on top of that and the power difference grows even more. Startk is stronger than fkt barragon making tge difference between ulquiorra 1st release and release starrk MASSIVE. It's illogical for a simple 1st release to close that gap. Yammy in the databooks is confirmed stronger than ulquiorra but ulquiorras fight scale LOOKED greater than yammys, showing kubos way of writing as well as the department limiting what he wanted as he already admitted ulquiorra vs ichigo didn't go the way he wanted in the source material. Aizen didn't want to fight vl ichigo. He was just disappointed in ichigos growth at the moment he met him. The form aizen was excited for in the flashback was the idea of the culmination of the human soul reaper quincy and hollow hybrid, not just the hollow and soul reaper part. It's never been implied aizen wanted to fight vl ichigo.
I don’t think Vasto Lorde gets over very many. The top 4 body him, if we are going story wise the bambis would likely team up on him and he would give them a run for their money but would eventually lose. He getting over Aznot, all of the 3 Quincies Kenny bodied before getting bodied by Ywach. He more then likely loses to Askin, Baz-B I mean it’s not impossible to win but I’d say mid to high diff. If we are just doing 1 v 1s is it ever confirmed how Giselle actually dies? He was kinda just off screened by Ywach after not dying to Mayuri so I’m not sure how Vasto Lorde kills him. Like the first page we see Liltoto stabbed through the gut and a dead Giselle next to her ass up tounge out.
Fear is an instinct based thing and hollows are pure instinct. If The Fear would work on anyone it would work on hollows the most, especially a purely instinct driven Vasto Lorde Ichigo. His reaction to that fear is up to interpretation
@@TheEllord33 byakuya has shown that rukia is important enough to him to give him an adrenaline boost. The fact he didn't implies the fear asnodt uses is solely to make the enemy unable to fight
@@JT-km6th Didn't Askin catch True Shikai Ichigo out there and True Shikai Ichigo is like>>>Dangai Ichigo? Cause if so, Gremmy ain't touching that if I'm being honest.
What kind of hypothetical is this? This Ichigo wouldn’t have even been powerful enough to make Aizen flinch in his fused Hogyoku form. And an exponentially stronger Aizen was incapacitated by one of the weakest members of the Sternritter. How in the fuck is there any argument to be made for VL Ichigo? And that’s just ONE of the over 2 dozen he has to face. And jdc these voices just get cringier and more artificial…
If you rewatch/reread the fight between fused hogyoku Aizen and Ichigo, Aizen states VL ichigo is stronger then Dangai Ichigo and states it was ascendant, and what he hoped to fight.
@@SableAiolos He never states that VL was stronger than Dangai. Not only does that make zero sense narratively, it’s just incorrect. Aizen said that his plan was to condition Ichigo as an opponent and his final planned stage of evolution as Aizen’s opponent was not to be his VL form. Aizen never compared that form to Dangai at all. He didn’t even know what the Dangai form was, so how could he have a gauge of how powerful it was? Not to mention that Mugetsu would have one shot if he weren’t immortal, and the technique severely weakened him from where his Hogyoku evolution was. Im no logic professor, but I don’t think I’d be remiss in saying that you’re the one who needs to rewatch/reread
@@sukumuieywang8058 Chapter 419 "Can you hear me Ichigo Kurosaki? You did indeed momentarily become a transcendent being by obliterating the boundary between shinigami and hollow. However you have lost that powet and are now but a shadow of your former self." This is after Aizen transforms from butterfly aizen and speed blitzes Dangai Ichigo. Mugetsu is a seperate form with higher SP but can only use one attack lol
This needs to be animated like good quality animated and should be part of a what if series.
That's the goal for this channel, I have friends in the industry, i just need to amass a little more of a following ,so I can pay them for the animations , already have talented voice actors ready and waiting . eventually we want to be doing all sorts of what ifs , for multiple different anime.
@@SterlingABTV i love that plz follow up on this we need this.
No joke
@@basajul I have faith we can make it happen! Us bleach fans deserve it. Happy you stoped by brother.
Sending pure hollow ichigo is like dropping a cancer on your opponent. That just vile man
Quilge was taking out arrancas left and right
@@kerrlonjordan6816those are arrancas are not White🥴
@@eugenepearson5939 yeah they not as strong .. but if that weakness mattered they should’ve been able to do better .. the sternritters are too broken
The elite sternritters gremmy and royd solo Vasto Lorde ichigo
@kerrlonjordan6816 Ngl I forgot Ichi's mom
Ichigo getting so fucking angry that white comes back out to fold some Quincy omelets
I feel like the sternritters would just start going into shock by virtue of being in the presence of a hollow of that magnitude and power. Like you wouldn't even have to touch him to undergo the hollowifaction poisoning that Quincy's go through
we not mentioned that hollows are basicly poison for quincys thats on top against quincys hollows got a littl extra boost
In all seriousness, the Fear really wouldn't affect VL Ichigo because it is already the incarnation of Ichigo's fear. It is a creature of instinct that responds to fear with violence, not faltering. As Nödt would only make VL Ichigo/Zangetsu MORE dangerous.
If base Kenpachi can tear through space and open a hole in the sky then I'm assuming Vasto Lorde Ichigo is close to doing shit like that if not he surpasses it.
I disagree… Yama wouldn’t initially kill this version of Ichigo. He even let those 3 hollow girls( part of Harribel group) live in the FKT arc and he didn’t even know them plus they were his enemy. I think he would use enough power to weaken ichigo and then use some high level kido to subdue him.
At 1/5th of his actual power, if Ichigo was able to at will cast Vasto Lorde form, he could solo up to the top 5 guys. He definitely defeats Gremmy as well.
I mean if this power level is 10x that of the Vasto Lorde ichigo we see in the Hell Verse which literally was gonna destroy / tear apart hell itself. I think only the top tier quincy could even stand a chance
Hell verse isn't canon
The rest of yama's life after killing ichigo would literally be 5 min 10 at the most
Right lol rip yama little do u know in ten years your Comrades will then damn you to hell .
This version of Ichigo eats the Sternritters. Full Hollow Ichigo is pure Shinigami and Hollow powers. Besides a certain 6 Sternritters none of the others have a chance. This form is retardedly strong😪
He isn’t actually a vasto lorde. Vasto lordes are highly intelligent beings whereas ichigo was in a mindless beast kind of form. This is just the embodiment of Ichigos full powers that aren’t being suppressed by Quincy zangetsu. All while being at or around 30% spiritual power or even lower since his shihakusho is in tatters and only covering an arm and barely his lower half
Yeah your absolutely right , the fan base named this form Vasto Lorde and it just kinda stuck , I can remember when it first came out people were calling him , hollow king Ichigo.
Plus vasto lorde ichigo was less then half power from what We see when ichigo was in the dangai
Ichigi turned back into human from his Cero self exploding on him and breaking his mask when Ulquirroa cut his horn
Ehhh … Ichigo aping on people as Zangetsu would be fun but FB Bankai woulda clowned As Nodt already. Bankai Ichigo arriving early already high key stomps every Sternritter in the 1st Invasion that isn’t Jugram, Royd and … yeah, just those two. Assuming his Hollowfication is as big of an amp as just using his Mask (let alone the huge jump from when he fought SE Ulq), he just wrecks the Wandenreich even faster than he would’ve already.
End of the day, Ichigoat kills off a third of the Sternritter day 1 and only 3 Quincies present and Yama are capable of standing up to him to any degree. Jugram is kinda the only one who can do anything here and Balance breaks Ichigo’s horn/transformation before the time limit is up. It’d also make more sense why Yhwach decided to let Gremmy out of his room since somebody has to deal with Hollow Ichigo.
Ichigos fulbright bankai has his hollow powers merged with it which I'd why he can't use tge mask. No vl transformation amp either. So taking the vl ichigo that fought ulquiorra he'd prob get through all quincies, except royd gremmy elites hashwalth and obv yhwach.
I feel like the almighty would be the only schrift he'd have any real difficulty against. The rest he will either be immune to or would just have high resistance to the point where he could overpower them if the battle is allowed to drag on
Ur wanking vl Ichigo too much l. He gets through all the normal sternritter, possiblely with mid difficulty. But royd gremmy all the elites hashwalth uryu and yhwach all low-no diff vl Ichigo.
Also by "difficulty against almighty", u mean vl Ichigo gets one shotted neg diff.
@@Ghhb-jr4sk uryu won't actually hurt ichigo, remember?
I was actually having this convo in other video about how he turns into it, and from what others told me is that it’s only activated when ichigo died, not because he couldn’t protect others but since he couldn’t save himself, so then it’s Zangetsu (white) taking over and seeing as the zanpakuto is 1 part of 2 for the soul of a soul reaper, then he is just as strong as ichigo and hence why it is a mindless warmongering hollow with no hesitation because unlike ichigo White has no care
But I love your story telling man, it’s very well detailed and you make many good points, love the What if series!
I really Hope you are subscribed brother ,we would love to have you . knowledgeable bleach fans are hard to come by , would love to have your input in other discussions as well! I'm really happy you enjoyed the video, it was a ton of fun to make .
@@SterlingABTV been subscribed for a while, love the channel man! I try to post a comment if I got any hot takes
My bad, thought I was but must have clicked wrong, we is now!
Being a Hollow the first slice should be enough to destroy him since Hollows destroy Quincy souls
Sternritters can't use Volstandig when they have a bankai, so i think Hollow Ichigo should have one shot him with the first slash, not even blut could withstand his slash or even he could have been too slow using blut to hold him self together before falling in two
Ya a totally forgot that while I was recording, I'd like to think maybe he could cast the bankia aside to use the vollstandig but that's just head canon on my part lol yeah your right fb bankia ichigo is an able monster but for storytelling sake I had to give asnodt a chance. I'm happy you stopped by brother .
From what we have seen of Vasto lorde ichigo he is absolutely unstoppable. We have literally never seen him in a bad way where he is hurt. Always tan though his enemies
Wasn't it stated that that form was only pushed out because of the amount of hollow riatsu he absorbed during his fight with Ulquiorra and that imbalance in SP made him transform. That's how he was able to use blute after his fight with Quilge and the horn of salvation vs Yhwach cuz he charged his power with their quincy riatsu
No tgat wasn't tge reason he transformed. Quincy rieatsu is diff in that quincies can absorb reishi. Tge vl transformation was just white helping ichigo
Quincies are weaker against Hollows as well, and with the level that he is at, at that point in time he'd be much stronger than what we saw against Ulquiorra.
I would be more interested in Kenpachi with a mastered Bankai taking on the Sternritter.
1 shot all except for Gerard of courses
@@mumfordboydylan8450Gerard and Lille are the only 2 that are semi immortal. If the cross gets cut, Gerard dies and Zaraki can cut through anything so a mastered Zaraki kills them all😪
crazy that version if Vast Lorde Ichigo was only at around 1/4 of full power...
Note that the only reason Aizen left Ichigo alive after evolving with Hogyoku is because he hoped to fight Vasto Lorde Ichigo in his realized boundary breaking form.
Ichigo even said he was a hollowfied form with no Conscious
So I have a theoretically question here?
Didn’t ichigo awaken his Quincy powers at this time. So wouldn’t the version of Vasto Lorde Ichigo we’re talking about here be able to use his advanced regeneration, Hierro, as well as Blut Vienna. While I do agree that Yamamoto or Yhwach will be the ones to stop him in this hypothetical scenario but it still would end like in canon ichigo going to squad 0 and it would’ve honestly made the horns of salvation for his true shikai just fit perfectly.
No he awakened them when he fought aizen mugetsu is his quincy powers
I'm not convinced the Balance would work against VL Ichigo because there is nothing fortunate about this form. It is tragic, so the Balance would not be able to shift things into Haschwalth's favor here.
I think so too. Also like someone else pointed out I don't see the fear working on vl ichigo either. Vl ichigo impaled ishida and sent orihime flying when he swung his sword. He didn't care about firing a point blank cero at ulquiorra either. He showed no fear and there's no good amount of fortune to that form.
Vastolorde have been described as incredibly powerful and intelligent hollows that have a rage state of pute destruction and power and they do even have combat adaptability Know Vastolorde are: Coyote Starrk, Tier Haribell and Ulquiorra Cifer
Hollows are poison to Quincy. Ichigo would be devastating in any fight against them as Vasto. His power is now modified from the Ginjo Fight when the Captains poured their energy into him through the sword. He would absolutely butcher most of the Vandenreich and Sternritter.
Love the video man! But I have a question wouldn't stealing Byakuya's bankai make it so As nodt couldn't use his vollstandig?
Hey great catch! I totally spaced that off , I would imagine maybe he could discard the bankia in order to use the vollstandig but I'm just now thinking that I totally spaced it off in the video lol , happy you stopped by if you aren't subbed already I would love to have ya a part of the page , smart bleach fans such as yourself are valuable to the channel!
What if ichigo become amongus in the middle of the fight ?
Also the reason why he turned back is because one of his ceros blew up in his face shattering his mask
Can you do a Shunsui vs Few versions of Ichigo.. Or Shunsui vs all sternritters
I'd love to, been wanting to do a story with shunsui for a while! He's one of my favorites. Thanks for stopping by brother .
Vasto Lorde Ichigo in his current state is just a Quincy Slaughter lol! And since Ichigo ends up beating Yuwa anyway. With Quincy's being weaker against Hallows. He would mop the floor with every Quincy period!!
Unfortunately as nodt cannot use his voldtanding since the bankai is in the way.
I was expecting ruthlessness from Ichigo when he came back from the soul palace, his fighting display when he was up against the bambis was PITIFUL, screaming "b-baka!! Dodge it!!". So VL Ichigo is exactly what I was wanting to see, IT'S WAR dumbass, don't show mercy to the enemy. ANNIHILATE THEM.
yeah its like he forgot what happened before.
Ichigo isn't necessarily a stone cold killer, he showed mercy to Grimmjow when he grabbed his hand after taking him down, and felt like he dishonored Ulquiorra by beating him as VL, he even came to understand Aizen somewhat. Ichigo is no brutal killer, he's a warrior of necessity who fights and sometimes kills so long as it is necessary. For Ichigo to become stone cold killer outta the blue would be out of character without enough personal reasons to truly warrant it.
@@elishaj2977 Ichigo was never a warrior. At the start of the story he seen as a gangster due to how easily he got into fights, later on it's shown how most of the times he had fought was to protect someone like Chad and the spirits, it could also be argued he was way more brash at the beginning because of spike in puberty but eh. The first time he has to rise up the mentality of warrior is when he goes to save Rukia, the first time where he had to face many intense fights in short time gaps between one and the other. Ichigo is no cold hearted fighter, but he's no warrior either. This point is specifically tackled when the dichotomy between Ichigo and White is created in their confrontation, showing that Ichigo has potential to become a true warrior who acts on fighting instincts. The world of skyscrapers is a further demonstration of his potential, which has a very vast room to grow. Ultimately, this was a possible development for Ichigo's character which he outright rejected, succumbing to fear of that side of himself consequently leading to dissociating and being overtaken many times. The vast world of skyscrapers having shrunk to the size of Karakura city and being sunken in the water as well, being the result of his many choices to dissociate and not embrace his own shadow. At the end of it, Bleach turned out to be this story about this little fiesty guy with a big heart who just wanted to protect his little piece of heaven. He a very adult development, it passes a very warm message. However, I much prefer this IF scenarios where he just goes Mad Dog and rampages, because this story originally started in Shounen roots and continued to expand on these shounen roots up to the very start of the Arrancar arc. I like Bleach how it currently is, but the reality is Ichigo won't as sharp as he could've been, as stylish and cool as he could've been, and the true warrior he could have been.
But Ichigo does act on fighting instinct, he just doesn't fight mindlessly. Hell in the Ulquiorra fight he instinctively used Getsuga to stop his head from being cut off by Ulquiorra's luz de luna. The issue is really being strong enough to not have to rely upon White and Zangetsu to pick up the slack for him every time and when he finally achieves true shikai I always felt that was a natural progression. That aside, Ichigo in fighting never goes harder then he needs to, but he can go hard as hell when necessary I mean look at his fight with Tsukishima or his fight with Aizen. A true warrior is not some battle hungry menace running around looking for a fight, but someone who acts as necessary to harm when necessary and when necessary fight without reserve physically or without reserve in brutality. I think Ichigo has embodied this ideal, but that's just me.
@@elishaj2977 I understand what you mean, but what I was saying wasn't that for Ichigo to be a true warrior he had to fight like a Kenpachi does, for example. The thing where White always took over him was a situation that happened because he never accepted that he COULD enjoy fighting, or completely immerse himself in the act of the fight. He never embraced the spirit of the warrior, he saw fighting as a burden, and had a point where he even got afraid of the idea of fighting. Instead of embracing White, he got afraid of that side of him, the consequence of that was that he dissociated, completely cutting the aspect of his personality that enjoyed fighting. White always had that talk of "Instinct" when fighting Ichigo, now at the Quincy arc all those ideas got cemented with the "The Blade is Me" episode.
If you go by the scaling of the Hell Verse movie then Vasto Lorde Ichigo turns the Wandenreich into dust without difficulty.
Hell verse isn't canon
The opening fight of hellverse between Ulquiorra and VL ichigo IS canon, fun fact. Kubo stated editors forced him to end the fight early, and he was excited to finally use the choreography and art he had already made
@@SableAiolos yes that opening fight is canon, but all that shows is Ichigo vs ulquiorra was closer than we thought. Ichigo didn't show anything surpassing what was in the source material. The scale people refer to in hell verse is Ichigo almost destroying hell, which is non canon.
In order for this to happen Ichigo would have to never use The Final Getsuo-Tensho against Aizen, still go through the Fullbring arc, and gain the Soul Sword created for him by The Captains
Can you please do what if Urahara Kisuke was the big bad in bleach
I'd love to! Great idea! There is a ton of fun to be had with that and I mean a ton! Kisuke is one of my all time favorites and if he were to turn heel there would be no hope for soul society
So true
Probably a hot take but urahara and aizen are both overrated. Aizen wouldn't have gotten as far as he did without the hygyoku. And the only thing he has going for him ks and his immortality. And urahara is a prep guy and that's all he has going for him.
@@speedbeyondlogicyeah definitely a hot take there. I can break it down for you but I shouldn't even have too
@@M34-yx6xf they're overrated
Vasto Lordes Ichigo is stated to be substantially stronger then Dangai Ichigo by Aizen in chapter 419. True Shikai Ichigo was stated by yhwach to be equal to Dangai Ichigo. So we Know VL is at least a mid tier transcendent, as dangai scaled above Chrysalis+ butterfly aizen.
The only people that have the ability to even -resist- VL Ichigo to some degree would be
Small/medium degree -
Royal guard training Byakuya
Tenjiro kirinji
Oetsu Nimaiya
Jugram
Askin (Angel form)
Yamamoto (shikai)
Gremmy (Got speed blitzed repeatedly by Kenpachi who allowed him to heal more then once.. without clones no chance)
Bankai Urahara
Bankai Unohana
Cat Goddess Yoruichi
"Adult form" Toshirou. - Bankai
High degree/might win
Ichibei - Bankai
Yamamoto - Bankai
Jugram - The Almighty + The Balance
Lille. - Intangibility Angel form
Gerard - Infinite respawn
Yhwach the almighty + stronger forms
Gremmy - 10+ clones
Pernida. - Angel form
Kyoraku - Bankai
Kenpachi - Bankai
The 4 man squads that fought between the sternritter and squad 0 would also lose 4v1's to VL Ichigo.
This includes
Oetsu Nimaiya (One hit one kill)
Tenjiro Kirinji (The fastest member of squad 0. Speedblitzed Ichigo though his wrist was broken) Infinite healing for allies + dissolves enemies. massive aoe.
Kirio Hikifune - Tree of life (Highly nullifies VL ichigo's Ceros and traps him)
Senjumaru Shutara - Can seemingly manipulate reality to some cloth based degree.
Lille Barro - X-axis (nullified by Oetsu's reiatsu focused into an object + the ability to cut anything, VL ichigo is transcendant X-axis is just nullified)
Gerard Valkyrie - One Shot by Oetsu and couldn't use his ability. (VL Ichigo is faster with higher attack power)
Pernida. - Speed blitzed by Oetsu.. the ONLY member of this group with a feat. He managed to sneak attack Yoruichi by Oetsu was able to react to him "Activating" his ability and one shot him
Askin - "the death dealing" - Able to react to Oetsu more then once, and nearly defeat him using his ability. However, VL Ichigo is faster, and transcendent so can't be affected by his ability most likely.
@micah421yt Actually in chapter 419 Aizen states this, after his butterfly form loses to Dangai Ichigo. So we have confirmation from Aizen himself that his butterfly form is weaker then VL Ichigo. (Obviously theres confirmation Ulquiorra vs Ichigo was observed remotely by Aizen)
@@SableAiolosAizen never comments this I literally had to go reread the chapter in 419 Aizen doesn’t even comment on Hollow Ichigo and this is also the same chapter Ichigo teases the final getsuga
Nowhere does anything state VL is stronger than dangai . Dangai is far above any form of any hollow or soul reaper other than ichibei
@@Truly.Quincho Ok what super secret form of Ichigo was Aizen talking about in chapter 419 🙄
@@Ray-mq6cy In chapter 419
It would be impressive if asnod fight against byakuyas bankai, it would be a fight to behold.
As nodt would still win. Byakuya believed he needed bankai against base as nodt and as nodt still had vollstanding which is a greater multiplier than bankai
@@Blackmustache870As Nodt compared Royal Palace Byakuya's Shikai to his Bankai and Byakuya was absolutely defiling Vollstandig As Nodt and looked at him like trash and let Rukia finish him up so she could take a W for once. Not every Vollstandig gives a ridiculous power boost, As Nodt's is almost purely hax based. Also As Nodt was forced to use Blut Vene constantly to keep from getting sliced by Pre-Royal Palace Byakuya's normal Shikai. In either case, it's a lot closer then you think.
@@elishaj2977 rg training byakuyas increase in power is not exactly old bankai to new shiaki power. As nodt just saw the amount of sword petals and figured it was too much to look like his shiaki, so he figured it was his bankai. So most likely, byakuyas new shikai is even stronger than his old bankai unless u believe as nodt, in that short time counted every individual 1 million sword petal.
@@Blackmustache870 He still made the comparison and didn't think much of the difference until Byakuya clarifies it as being Shikai, if it was way stronger then his usual Bankai As Nodt would have said something along the lines of it Byakuya having gotten a huge powerup.
@elishaj2977 he made the comparison because he had the bankai himself before so it wasn't conceivable to him tgat byakuya could get such an upgrade. That's all. Nothing showed the old bankai and new shikai were relative. For as nodt to make that comparison, the only way he could do it would be to count every individual flower petal since the overall size of something as small as flower petals with the quantity being spread out isn't reliable
Vasto Lorde ichigo is just his full hollow with killing instinct not white
White is quite literally his hollow
I think he just wipes everyone with the exception of Yw, Barro and maybe Gerard. But he might be able to kill barro and Gerard. Especially if he were to just Blitz them. I'm curious if him being a hollow might help him destroy Gerard's cross.
I don't even know if that's needed though because Oetsu kills Gerard and Barro easily so I don't see why this Hollow Ichigo wouldn't as well, so long as he just blitzes them.
@@totemgod4386 oh I definitely agree , lille and Gerard are the only ones putting up a decent fight oh and ig we have to consider jugrim but that just depends how the balance would interact with ceros and what not . You have my gears turning when it comes to Gerard's Quincy cross , wonder if what your saying would slow down his regeneration/ shrift. It's a ton of fun to think about
bambetta will not stand a chance against this vasto lorde form of ichigo even if she releases her shrift
Dead
Like no argument
One hollows are poison to Quincy’s
2 no diff
If it’s vasto lorde off of fullbring bankai he’d likely solo up to the royal guards like Gerard
But the vasto lorde that fought ulquiorra is weaker the fullbring shikai
Ichigo faced off against that form + young Zangetsu fused when he started his Mugetsu training and could hold his own to a stronger form before he even got into Dangai mode. Ichigo's Fullbring power is stronger than his previous power. That form gets solo.
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if yama was facing this vasto lorde ichigo in a one on one fight from the start than he would have to use his maximum capabilities of bankai to defeat the vasto lorde ichigo and that is at very high difficulty and at that stage yamamoto will be tired and weak keep this in mind that if he engages ichigo before the sternritters than he will barely win and if ichigo just had defeated all the sternritter present at that time except the royal guard then yes yamamoto will still have to use his bankai but not at max power and will defeat him at mid difficulty.
Yammammoto in shikai is enough for Vasto Lorde Ichigo
@@Ghhb-jr4sk no he isn't bro Yamamoto is very powerful the strongest shinigami in the gotai 13 but he can't beat Vasto Lorde ichigo especially the one in the start of blood war arc if ichigo did transform at that moment which is at full power compared to the one in arrancar arc which fought ulqiuorra current yamamoto will need his bankai and at maximum power to beat ichigo in that form and barely win
@@TheOne214 no. Ichigos hollow powers merged with his fullbring. The fact he can't form the mask anymore is clear proof he can't hollowfie in any way in his fullbring state. No, yammammoto by narrative statements is shown way more than vast lorde Ichigo. In just shikai, yammammoto not only has enough power to overcome kyoka suigetsu, but actually beat aizen as well. That's way more than u can say for vl ichigo.
@@Ghhb-jr4sk I think you have forgotten that Yamamoto has gotten weaker after losing his one arm so he doesn't defeat VL ichigo at 100 percent power just with his Shikai not happening in bankai he can but with high difficulty
@@TheOne214 Even with one arm, yammammoto still VASTLY eclipses anyone in the soul society AND yhwach was still the only person who could capture his bankai.
But ye I did forget yammammoto lost an arm. I still don't buy that vasto Lorde Ichigo would shit on shikai yammammoto, but either way bankai yammammoto wouldn't even be a question, he destroys vl ichigo.
He would lose against he would lose against the top four quincies
I feel like fighting the Quincy would awaken zangetsus Quincy abilities tho
Im truth we have never seen ichigo in his true and real vasto lord form. We just seen a depowered imitation version
We know where his power caps off at tho. In ichigo vs ulquiorra, rukia could sense the rieatsu of vl ichigo with 30% of his shihakshou. Ishiin yoruichi and kisuke 100% have more rieatsu than rukia(especially yoruichi and ishiin for being nobles), but they couldn't feel chrysalis aizen. No matter where scales he isn't making it past chrysalis aizen.
I need to ask, what's the intro action theme?
Dragon castle by Makia symphony, they have various tracks available for free use , pretty cool
@@SterlingABTV thank you! I've heard this song from videos of invincible and I've been trying to find it😁
@@rivivuel8188 glad I could help! Thanks for stopping by brother . Would love to have ya apart of the group .
Y’all forget hollows are toxic to Quinceys
Hey brother thanks for stopping by! I didn't forget I just didn't see a chance to flesh that out because imo just being around a hollow isn't efficient enough to poison a Quincy , I think it has to be a direct soul to soul contact kinda thing , I could be wrong , id be stoked to hear your thoughts on the matter .
I swear people forget this. They were walking around wako mundo
@@quackmoth8519in a head to head to head fight were shown the poison isn't incredibly potent. Grimmjow and Nelliel and hallibel who r all relatively equal in power(3rd espada lvl or higher) had difficulty with the sternritters girls. Hollows aren't rlly direct poison to quincies. It's LIKE they're poison because unlike soul reapers, quincies don't have a natural defence to hollows. Unless the hollows make contact with quincies with any fatal open wounds or get absorbed by the Quincy, they're battle power stays relatively the same.
Each fear is unique to the individual that it's used against
Hollow spiritual pressure is like cancer to quincies especially pure blooded Quincies so in terms of saying hollow ichigo alone kills every sternritter with his sp alone
Why didn't Askin die to Grimmjow's SP?
Not how it works
The war would end The only option Is retreat After all hollows are poisonous to quincy Only the balance would have a legitimate chance of stopping his regenerat wouldn't stop him for long
Also considering the idea is he wants to protect everyone in the soul society Combo that with The fact he recognized orihime
I doubt he'd be going after the soul reapers Instead Is targeting those wearing the quincy uniform So it's more likely That the soul society Would give him reinforcements
After all with every big kill a Bankai is freed up And I doubt they try to draw it in again. Knowing they might pull in some of the hollows power in the medallion
Oh yeah and considering ichigo Big transformation was just his realization that his hollow is zangetsu and that the old man zangetsu Is quincy power It's likely that he'd be Stronger then the ichigo we got so I doubt The captain commander could not do anything And besides, if spiritual pressure is too big, it will negate other powers so the fire won't touch him
Yhwach bodies vl ichigo no matter what. The 4 elite sternritters do as well, though I'm not sure how strong they r without aushwhalen. Gremmy bodies him as well as Royd. The poison isn't rlly poison. Unlike soul reapers, quincies just have no natural defense against hollows. That advantage isn't rlly that strong as the cfyow espadas struggled with the quincy girls, but that disadvantage can simply be overcome by someone being massively stronger than vl ichigo.
I need more facts:
So we are talking of a vasto lorde much stronger (bc ichigo it's stronger at this point in the story) and we are talking about a full power one
But how much strong? I think it's really important
I really wanna think that he can put up a fight but i also am not sure that he actually can
If his reatsu his so massive and strong are the enemy hax having still an effect on him? He can regen every damage, he has such speed and power and defense also i think (hierro) and if he uses bola, imagine how fast and strong those can be
Give me facts guys, i really wanna read good opinions about this
Also, what if we consider this form with reason intact? How much strong this form can be if used with strategic thinking?
i honestly think hes not that much more powerful. Hollow Ichigo is when white takes over meaning that he is temporary free form the control of Old man Zan. Meaning that the hollow Ichigo we see in wakomundo is the full power of Ichigos Hollow ability.
Vl ichigo existing at that point is impossible because ichigo already fused jhis hollow powers with his fullbring, hence why the mask isn't a thing anymore and since he can't hollowfy, vl ichigo at that that point in the story doesn't exist
Solid 2 minutes repeating that Ichigo has now transformed omg vasto lorde omg omg omg
So many places he just gets caught up repeating something multiple time... ngl i keep losing interest when the same point is thrown out there 3-5 times
To each their own brother. I hope you can find something else u like , if not no biggie still happy u stoped by! I respect your opinion but either way I love bleach and had alot of fun making this.
Realistically.. he's not getting far. Like honestly, Vasto Lorde is strong. He'll blitz the normies..
Then he stops at askan. Askan already proven this since he beat True shikai ichigo who stated by yhwach " you regained the power you used to fight aizen"
Literally , Askan is the stopping point. Going past him is immediate cap, I'm sorry.
Askin didn’t though ichigo fell into a trap askin set that askin himself said takes to long to set up In a fight
@@logandelaharpe6362askin still shits on vl ichigo
Something that we need to recognise here is that every quincy in the sereitei would absolutely SHIT THEMSELVES. Think about it, one of the special war powers that is dangerous because of his POTENTIAL JUST BECAME A FUCKING HOLLOW, AKA THE POISON THAT KILLS QUINCIES. the video says that vasto lorde runs up to opponents, no. THERE WOULD BE NO OPPONENTS FOR ICHIGO TI RUN INTO. Every one of them would run for their lives, hell i believe that yhwach himself would show up to kill him since he is single-handendly the BIGGEST counter to the quincies, actively threatening their entire existence.
Ive been working on putting together an animation for this what if but updated a little , we have some really talented voice actors on bored as well , the dude doing vasto lorde is incredible
If this comes to fruition i will be falling from my chair from seer excitement. Vasto lorde is already my favourite ichigo form and i believe we never truly got to see just how destructive it could be, so seeing the reactions of quincies and even soul reapers at just what the substitute shinigami has become will be an excellent yet terrifying spectacle. Especially since we have to remember that, entire sternritter were quite literally having near panic attacks at ichigo just using sonido, (even though i believe they panicked simply because they couldn't sense him and believed he was about to start killing some of them) so just seeing the personification of the apex of hollow evolution combined with shinigami powers as well as quincy powers(possibly) would absolutely have a lot if them be unable to move. Overall i am really excited for the future of this project and trust me. I will be there to see it. Good luck!
I'm curious to see how this Ichigo handles The W Nianzol?
he kinda does though already with his vasto lorde hollow control
That final form of ichigos is so badass! Extremely powerful as well , can't wait to see if the anime gives us more of that form and a longer battle between Ichigo and ywach! Super happy u stopped by brother , would love to have ya apart of the group! Knowledgeable bleach fans are hard to come by!
Aizen was expecting to fight Vasto Lorre
A good scale would be SAWFY Kenpachi pre retsu training being stronger than cien espada 0 who is stronger than vasto lorde as stated by uryu.
Shikai Kenpachi > Post Retsu Training Kenpachi > TYBW Kenpachi => SAWFY Kenpachi > Cien > Vasto Lorde
You can scale Gerard, pernida and gremmy above vasto lorde by far easily since they scale either higher or to a much stronger kenpachi who's weaker ver is above vasto lorde. Aswell as lille, askin, haschwalth, maybe Uryu and ofcourse yhwach.
SAWFY (and CFYOW) is pretty much Kenpachi wank material though, their power scaling make no sense
@@flyingcactus1953 only the grimmjow stuff makes no sense in CFYOW
@@MrDeclareWar the 1 shot of the hollow that break out of ichibei seal make no sense either to be honest. The writting isn't too bad but the power scaling is just all over the place
@@flyingcactus1953 huh what one shot? You aren’t referring to ikomikidomoe in CFYOW are you? Cause he’s still sealed and lost half his power until hikone awakens him as his zanpakuto.
@@MrDeclareWar yes , Iam talking about ikomikidomoe , he break out of ichibei seal (regain his name) after absorbing the fragment of soul king nail. And yet, kenpachi 1 shot him with his shikai. TBH, that is so dumb
Askin was on the battlefield in the first invasion and askin took down true shikai ichigo so if vasto lorde runs into him ichigo gets put down quickly
Yeah I forgot about askin floating around! He's definitely got what it takes to put VL down . Imo any of the royal guard could do it. Really happy you stoped by brother , would love to have ya apart of the group .
i cant agree with that if true shikai bankai ichigo ended up fighting yhwach and yhwach had to break his bankai then askin would probably get 1 shotted considering hypothetical post fullbring bankai vasto lorde is on that level
@@lokihaze9286post fullbring bankai Vasto Lorde doesn't exist
@@Ghhb-jr4sk if ichigdied when ywach stabbed him u think white wouldnt take over? lol he did hypothetically exist
@@lokihaze9286 ichigos hollow abilities merged with his fullbring already hence why he can't use the mask. White wouldn't take over.
No, the top 4 sternritter (Haschwath, Lille Barro, Gerard & Uryu) take out vasto lorde Ichigo I’ll be real
Correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a while since I read the manga, but wouldn't vasto ichigo just blitz and kill uryu before he uses antithesis? Or did Uryu get stronger during the arc aside from getting antithesis?
It's hard to scale, Uryu show no feat since the time skip except for the antithesis. The only thing we have is one of the sterriter replying to Ichigo that it is impossible his arrow is stronger than Uryu.
@malguroni5660 the thing is the anime might have buffed the antithesis with what uryu did in the last episode so he likely will be able to beat ichigo
I am down for any vasto lorde ichigo glazin
Me too brother me too .
what if ichigo (while fighting aizen) vs ywach
Dangai Ichigo will murder any form of Yhwach except Soul King Yhwach. I think even Almighty Yhwach might lose to Dangai Ichigo. Dangai Ichigo simply is THAT strong. He's close to true shikai Ichigo.
@@Metalhammer1993 would love to see that though
@TheDmankl can't argue with that xD it would at least be fun. (For Ichigo)
@@Metalhammer1993 it would also be interesting what ywach would do, imagine if he could go bankai in that form
Vasto Lorde Ichigo isn’t really a thing. I guess we say that because a lot of us don’t understand what it means to be a Vasto Lorde. Still, best transformation of all time.
Since his hollow is vasto lorde class a lot of people just call the form that whenever it fully takes over
@@rogeman311 understood, but it’s misleading. Still, I love my Vasto Lorde shirt.
I mean, yeah, it's just Zangetsu...
Remeber the White wasnet even at full power vs Ulqirraoa
Vasto Lorde also didn’t have his full clothing/spiritual power
Considering hollows are like cancer to Quincy’s and how many of the sternritter are between Vice captain and captain level I think VL Ichigo would likely stomp. Now would he stomp as hard as true bankai ichigo? No but his inherent abilities as a hollow would go crazy
I completely agree! There seems to be a mixed bag as to how strong people think this form is. Ive always thought this form of ichigo was pretty powerful . Really happy your stoped by brother!
Vasto lorde could very much solo alot of em. Once you get to the S tier quincy vasto lorde couldn't win. Dangai ichigo could but yeah even that's somthing my head isn't comfortable thinking rationally
kenpachi zaraki woud be the first to go to him i mean he sed he whants to fight him again that woud be an awesome fight maybe we can even twist the story and make that fight awaken his zanpakto instead of unohana
no, the Sternritter would crush Ichigo's fully Hollowfied form, the only way Ichigo can win against an enemy like the Sternritter is for him to understand his power, have full access to his true power and be able to fully control it
VL ichigo would be able to just destroy most if not all Quincy, the only issue I have with your story is the Quincy can't use holy form if they have a stolen banki
Good catch! Can't believe I spaced that off!
Yhwach represents his Almighty as the power to change the future, but it's really the power to bring any selected future to the present. If there is no future where what he desires occurs, he would not be able to make it present, so he would not be able to defeat Hollow Ichigo.
Jk but I did want to point out that weakness with the Almighty
Its that just a plot device then?
Ulquiorra in his second form is probably only weaker then Yamamoto and Aizen. And Vasto Lorde was toying with Ulquiorra. So Vasto Lorde would wipe the floor with most of the sternritters
your telling me his hollow mask doesnt buff his soul reaper forms thats cap and if its the ichigo in the blood war ark then that stronger version of his soul reaper forms would be buffed by his VL form if it was used
The vl form isn't a thing anymore. It's merged in his hos. Vl alone isn't soloing the sternritters.
@@Ghhb-jr4sk Not anymore but it still is at the time this invasion is happening so yea
@@woosh1342 no it isn't vl became non-existent the moment Ichigo controlled his unsuppressed powers
@@Ghhb-jr4sk ichigo doesn't have hos at this point wdym. I'm talking about the first invasion, in this vid the op has him arriving to the Soul Society earlier by escaping Quilges jail. At that point , he doesn't have hos or knows about his powers. Now you can keep talking but I think we both know we're done here
@@woosh1342 ichigos hollows powers had merged with his fullbring hence why he can't use the mask so ye, vl Ichigo still isn't a thing
As Nodt wouldn't be able to use his holy form with a bankai in his possession :/
Your absolutely right , I totally spaced that out while recording, Id like to say maybe he could discard it but I'm not going to pretend I didn't just come up with that 😂 good catch, thanks for stopping by brother.
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I enjoyed the vid though it was fun to watch :)@@SterlingABTV
@@v.vagabond that makes my day hearing that brother . Really happy u enjoyed it .
Bro vasto lorde Ichigo gets bullied by anyone who could beat bankai fullbring Ichigo
Yeah I get where your coming from , but at the same time this is a hypothetical version but I definitely see your side , full bring bankai ichigo is extremely strong , I'm not a power scaler more just a story teller , I'm just stoked you stopped by! Reading the comments on here I see many people have different opinions on the power of the VL form.
@@SterlingABTVyeah i 100% agree and that its j a hypothetical. But in terms of power, vasto lorde isnt actually that strong compared to dangai ichigo, fullbring shikai ichigo, etc, because of his vasto lorde being able to be bullied by pre hogyoku fusion aizen
Vastolorde got a better transformation multiplier than bankai fullbring. If tybw ichigo transformed with max reiatsu i can see him getting high diffed by yhwach
@@rayane3035 I like the way you think brother , if your not subbed already I sure hope you do , knowledgeable bleach fans such a as yourself are hard to come by u would be so valuable to have apart of the channel , at the very least I hope I hear from ya in future videos!
@@rayane3035 vasto lorde is not even close to the multiplier of true shikai, as his true shikai is his full hollow powers and full Quincy powers in combination and not being held back, as we see with horn of salvation
I dont see ywhba stand around as he needs ichigo to kill the soul king so he would step in to save ichigo even if only to use him
@@schylercarmine4010 I never thought about that , I completely agree. I love that you brought that up , I would like to redo a lot of these what ifs , there are a lot of different angles to look at.
No, vasto lorde at this point would be much weaker than current tybw ichigo, reason? Tybw ichigo was said to be stronger than mugetsu, my source? Kubo said so, vasto lorde is also the strongest hollow form but let me say that both mugetsu and vasto were both equal, meaning vasto lorde would have gotten folded by a quincy, another thing to back up my source is that a vasto lorde in a flashback was soloed by ichigos mom, a medic quincy.
Whoa i dont agree respectfully. Ichigo that fights aizen was a transcending being that only aizen could sense. Mugestu is a technique more than a form.Hell movie that Kubo observed and added showed Ulqi much closer to the strength of Vasto. And he wasn't transcended. The white that fought his mom and dad was feral with 0 techniques. Are u implyin his mom is stronger then most captains? Vasto can perhaps beat some quincies but he doesn't make it that far. The high tier quincies are the problem. Most of the the other quincies are simply captain lvl.
Pre Soul Palace training ichigo beats most of the quincies. He needed to train to fight Yhwach big difference. Rukia and Renji weren't captain lvl they needed to train to reach slightly above captain lvl. Byakyua main issue was mental fortitude he lost the 1st time because Asnodt tricky ability got the best of him not because he was outright stronger. I gave those examples to say the top 6 Espada it isn't that big of a gap with them and the quincies. Besides the upper echelon ones. Theres no hints are references stating that Kenpachi got stronger in between arcs before Unohana training. U dont think Nnoritoa cant kill the same 3 sternritters kenny killed in the 1st invasion?
And we all agree Vasto is stronger then the Esapada and even more deadly with a actual sword. And Ulqi is beatin every vizord captain. So Mask defeating them doesn't say much besides he's above average capt lvl and nothing is stated those visords gotten stronger in between FKT-TYBW. And so Ulqi 2nd release is above avg captain lvl as well. And we know at best his 2nd release got mid diff by vasto.
@@denjiurameshi4699Ulquiorra 2nd release > Quilge, Mask and Bambietta. Slightly.
Change my mind.
Thank you for humbling me I thought vasto lorde was him until you made me remember ichigo's Mom😅
so good
@@samuelharder6317 thank you! I'm really happy you enjoyed it! Thanks for stopping by
Vasto Lorde ichigo...owns bleach...😂😂😂😂😂😂😂it would be a dark time for everyone...dude called his sword telepathically...talk about power....bruh...even ywach was afraid of ichigos bankai...Vasto Lorde Ichigo...bruh Game Over...horror movie ending where the Evil wins...only this time it's VL Ichigo
That telepathic call was my favorite hint that confirmed White was 100% Zangetsu.
Nowhere else in Bleach do we see a character literally force pull their sword straight back into their hand in that manner.
Vasto Lorde Ichigo doesn't own bleach. Yhwach fodderizes him. Ichigo true bankai neg diffs Vasto Lorde Ichigo.
Did ichigo horn bankai stronger than vasto lorde
Yes
Ichigo hypothetical vasto lord+ Fullbring bankai vs asnot? Is that a joke? And he couldn’t cut him because the plot vane? i mean the hollow skill for defense didn’t help ulqor or whatever his name is and this ichigo is 10 times stronger, in fact only Fullbring Bankai ichigo can defeat asnot in his vollstandig
The only way True Hollow Ichigo/Zangetsu Ichigo would compare to the level of the Sternritter, is to have one key factor in place. Ichigo would have to have his full Bankai shuhakusho in tact (pre fullbring or post fullbring doesnt really matter, the latter just makes the fight even easier).
The version of Hollowfied Ichigo we saw fight Ulquiorra only had 1/4th of it's power (Ichigo's remaining sleeve, as explained to Unohana). 1/4th and stomped. Likely, Full Hollowfied Ichigo, completely healed, would have been comparable to 1st or 2nd transformation Aizen (everyone seems to forget that Ichigo exists as a 4th dimensional being, but he can only access this level of power in an unconcious state (such as when old man zangetsu or White interfere); he is always transcended, which explains much of his plot armor and learning speed/talents) but would not have been able to overcome the hogyoku.
No Sternritter have a hogyoku, so the only enemies this fully healed version of Hollowfied Ichigo would have true trouble against would be the Royal Guards, Uryu, Hashwalth, and Ywach (with no way to overcome The Almighty alone)
Bro watched detergent instead 😂😂
Absolutely
Well renji also chopped it off in the movie and same thing happened
No need to watchbthe video. If you've watched bleach you know the answer is no.
We are just having fun brother , happy u stopped by
Youre boring
@@SterlingABTVI rarely ever comment but don’t let the haters occupy any part of your mind, they have nothing better to do.
@@jesse7770Bro he isn’t hate he just said ichigo can’t beat them 💀
@@jesse7770 I appreciate it brother, I'm pretty tuff skinned , we have a ton of fun on this channel and our small little group of subscribers are seriously some of the coolest people I've ever met , if I let the haters get me down It would be disrespectful to all the new friends I've made here that enjoy these vids . Thanks for deciding to comment , made my day .
Vasto Lorde Ichigo loses, there is no debate.
Let's not forget vasto lorde Ichigo wasn't even at full power.. since is clothes which represents how much power he has was damn near gone..so yea he whooping most of the the sternritters about 90-95% of them
@@blackzangetsu716 Let me be clear. Ichigo has [Reaper 33%], [Hollow 33%], and [Quincy 33%] powers.
Ichigo's [Reaper 33%] powers, are tied directly to his [Hollow 33%] powers. So Ichigo by himself, only has half of his [Reaper 33%] powers. When Ichigo Hollofies, he gets up to 33% more power - This depends on how much hollow he can draw out.
Now remember Ichigo's Bankai shows how much reiatsu he has by the amount of clothing, 100% clothing = 100% Bankai Reiatsu.
No one said this applied to Hollow Ichigo.
Ichigo was getting his ass kicked before hand with 100% clothing, then Hollow Ichigo was kicking ass with 10% clothing.
Conclusion is simple:
Hollow Ichigo ignores the clothing, or Hollow Ichigo is over 100 times stronger than Ichigo to make up the gap in power that Ulquiorra literally rained on Ichigo.
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Regardless of the answer, lets pretend Hollow Ichigo was 100 times stronger.
Quincy don't care, Yamamoto could beat him.
Therefore Bass B, and a lot of Quincy could fight on even ground.
The only reason why Ichigo did not die with Quincy was literally because of his power and intelligence.
Gremmy solos him, because I don't see him cutting space.
Let's say Hollow Ichigo does cut space, we have a long line of people who can solo him just because of how Hollow Ichigo functions.
Squad Zero can dust him.
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I know Ichigo cantb eat the guards or ywach but lets take a step down,
Quilge J, Haschwalth B, Bambi E, James and Mask S, Gremmy V, Loyd Y (copying powers), Candice T (Sheer power), Bazz B B.
If they can hurt Kenpachi (WITHOUT HIS SHIKAI), they can kill Ichigo.
Yamamoto can beat Ichigo, well Hollow Ichigo.
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There is no argument for Vasto Lorde Ichigo in TYBW, because for Ichigo to even become as strong as he was in TYBW he literally had completely and chance for him to lose contol to Hollow Ichigo. Vasto Lorde Ichigo, is literally an out of control Hollow Ichigo - That is literally how that form exists and is inherently weaker than an Ichigo with Hollow Ichigo under control.
@@PowerIsEverything-gp2zp you dont understand basic maths and science and fail to follow basic story telling and comparing stuff back and forth between pages. are you dragon ball fan? do you apply goku's brain cells everywhere you go? Casually ignored yhwach spirit nerfing him, shinigami badge nerfing, white fluctuating powers, mental restrictions by ichigo because scared of white,. You are one of those ppl that believe full bring is stronger than VL or dangai? Did it ever occur to you that the reiatsu that was collected in that sword could be less than wht ichigo had before losing his powers? Listed 2 lines of logic and 10 lines of inferences. Yamamoto is weaker than VL ichigo, cope. So by association all the garbage u listed is also weaker. Gerard, askin and pernida will get blitzed and cero'd after that if ichigo has some cotnrol over VL's action, he will cut himself and insert blood into their wounds, they are dead otherwise they will keep getting blitzed or maybe pernida or askin will adapt and win. Lille is the only one that will survive in vollstandig, whether he can tag ichigo or not and whether ichigo cannot regen from his attacks is an unknown. All zero squad members weaker than yamamoto will die. Maybe ichibei can win, that depends if ichigo can reiatsu neg his hacks or dodge the attacks and blitz, shatter his head with a cero dismember him, make him wear same clothes as aizen, put him on chair sama, call his name, revive him and make him a dog like makima would to denji. The VL has win condition against anyone except yhwach after almighty.
@@AnonymousCranberry I am not reading all that, because none of you power scalers can not put together a physics equation with Lamba and Delta - Which are required for half the math you want to talk about. Hueco Mundo Vasto Lorde Ichigo loses end of story. Go read the manga or watch the anime. I actually know what happened in the story but most of all why. I am not arguing with idiot who don't understand that massive difference between [Ichigo], [Hollow Mask Ichigo], and [Hollow Ichigo] - Let the fact that you don't understand why Ichigo does not Hollowfy anymore which completely removes any of the Vasto Lorde scenarios you are hoping for.
@@PowerIsEverything-gp2zp Oh i understand enough to know that the equation u r looking for is e = hu not lambda and delta even though u depends on delta. He does transform into hollow when he whips out the HOS. There is no TS/HOS/Bankai without that hollow and VL that we see vs ulquiorra is full manifetation of that shinigami and hollow powers. The only way it didnt straight up shoot aizen from heuco mundo straigt into FKT is probably because yhwach manifestation was fighting to supress that hollow and usually both ichigo and yhwach suppress that hollow but considering ichigo was dead then yhwach only blocked what he can. If there was no conflict and yhwach decided that I will not give him my powers but i will not actively try to suppress it, he would be as strong as true bankai/mugetsu - quincy powers. Basic stuff, just cope.
The fear would not work on ichigo because he would be stronger then aznot just like how soifins didn't 2 shot aizen because izan was so much stronger then her
That isn't why that failed. Aizen was never hit by Suzumibachi in the first place, he was using Kyoka Suigetsu the whole time. The entire fight was basically the captain's exhausting themselves playing with Aizen's illusions.
@@ASNS117Zeroaizen was hit by it. If he wasn't than it had to be momo because the aizen we saw get hit was trapped in ice and didn't escape until AFTER the two hit sting. If that was momo than momo would be dead. That was obv aizen
@@Ghhb-jr4sk Jesus Christ Bleach fans have selective cognition when it comes to there favorite book.
"When did you think I wasn't using Kyoka Suigetsu?"
Seriously. It's like you guys didn't even read the manga, but instead just watch UA-cam shorts.
@@ASNS117Zero when did u think I wasn't using kyoka suigetsu doesn't mean he was using it the whole time dumbass. It just means aizen was playing on shinjis knowledge of shinji thinking aizen wasn't using it until that moment.
He could've used it before, but the fact remains that all the facts show soi fon DID hit aizen.
This piece of lore is explained in zaraki vs Ichigo as well as cfyow too
Aznots fear wouldn’t work because it’s Vasto Lorde that fought Ulquiorra. Ichigo was quite literally dead while in Vasto Lorde which was a mindless version of Ichigo full power. I don’t think fear works on a dead man although someone could probably prove me wrong.
There no point in this . Cause ichigo would easily get taken down by the highest tiers on field. Which would end up with captain Yama fighting 4 people. Which he would easily kill all but 3. Yama would get stabbed the back again. And ichigo would become more a Quincy. Cause he get taken with them. Only difference Bach may be injured after saving ichigo. Then everything would go as Bach planned and soul society will be obliterated. Anyone who thinks ichigo beats Yamamoto is a joke. Now maybe true bankai ichigo maybe. If you are one the saying ichigo cut the chains of hell. Yamamoto bankai took all water and water abilities off the board. In fact he had rein in some the power to not destroy souls society by mistake. He had Bach scared to fight him straight up. This same Bach got stronger and did not even think To over prepare for a way stronger ichigo. Yamamoto is possibly close to or just as strong as ichiba. He was the way there is a zero division. Heck the threats to him are only 3 people . Bach, ichiba, and Azien. And 2 of those people had a plan to seal him then sneak him to win.
The whole point is , its fun! Like what u just said was pretty cool and I had fun reading it! I like the route you took it! I had a lot of people request this one , I'm not a power scaler I just like to tell a cool story! I'm happy you stopped by brother.
Man I had fun listening to it, but it seem only you and I know Big Yama washes that ichigo. It’s like saying that Goku beats Anos. While Goku strong he doesn’t solo even one. Lol but it was fun concept and I really it.
The what if I always wondered is if TK wasn't pulling stuff out of HIS ASS in "Everything But The Rain" why didn't Ichigo's Quincy powers trigger after losing them in the conclusion to the fight with Aizen to me to me THAT would've been a stunning reveal plus Yhwatch would've had Ichigo for the invasion since Uryu would've been teaching Ichigo on how to be a Quincy
The FGT was ALL his powers.
The Quincy aspect disappeared with the Shinigami aspect. That is literally what we see in "Tensa Zangetsu" the spirit. It's his Quincy + Shinigami/Hollow powers as one blade, for one final attack.
The white haired form that teached ichigo The final getsuga - Mugetsu was a fusion of "The old man". White, and ichigo's own zanpaktou. White and The old man are external manifestations, created by Aizen and Yhwach. White stated earlier if Ichigo ever died he would steal his body.. White was already mid/high captain level in life and Aizen was giddy with anticipation just to see it fuse to a quincy stating it would be many rtimes stronger.
Essentially, since White no longer wished to manifest independently, it allowed itself to be diminished to fuel the mugetsu
Vasto lorde> true shikai
def not
@@drhashtagyolo It's a lot closer than you think since the Vasto Lorde + Tenza Zangetsu we saw train Ichigo in Dangai was probably one of the strongest beings in all of Bleach since it represented ALL of Ichigo's powers. And we know true bankai Ichigo was so strong it forced EoS Yhwach to break it since it was an immediate threat to him.
Since the Vasto Lorde is only a part of Ichigo's powers I'm not sure if it's relative to true shikai Ichigo or not. Def not relative to true bankai Ichigo, so it's a 50/50 in my eyes. But considering he completely destroyed Ulquiorra who was stronger than Starkk who fought 1v1 against the future head captain Shunsui who was one of the MVPs even without Bankai, I'd say he would defeat at least 70-80% of the Sternritters. The rest of them it could go either way besides hax characters like Uryu, Jugram, and Yhwach w/ All Mighty.
Also yes, I believe Uryu and Jugram are stronger than Yhwach before he awakened The All Mighty
@joaquincasascortes624 ichigo wasn't relative to him. Ichigo himself in the training clearly stated that he could've killed ichigo at any time he wanted. Also that form misses out ichigos own power which is a MASSIVE decrease in power compared to ichigos whole power. We see this when yhwach absorbs the hollow and quincy powers ichigo had, which neither could do anything to yhwach, but ichigos normal true bankai could still stand near yhwach(and yes, when ichigo one shotted him, it was a sneak attack, yhwachs powers were off, AND Ichigo didn't have and hollow or quincy powes). Ichigo himself is a hybrid being in ts, not parts of him r hollow and others quincy and the version that looks like him is human. So no, that being that trained ichigo wasn't anywhere near tybw ichigo AND could've killed ichigo at any time.
Ulquiorra isn't stronger than starrk.
Rukia could sense vl ichigos rieatsu while kisuke yoruichi and ishiin couldn't sense aizens rieatsu l. That shows enough. Ts ichigo shits in vl ichigo.
@@Blackmustache870 1. I never said that full power tenza zangetsu was relative to Ichigo
2. Yes he is, there are too many reasons why Ulquiorra is stronger than Starkk
3. Aizen was expecting to fight Vasto Lorde Ichigo when he arrived to Karakura town.
Yes, the same Aizen that wanted someone else to defeat/stop him thought VL Ichigo could've stood a chance against his Hogyoku amped self.
If VL Ichigo wasn't impressive, Hogyoku amped Aizen wouldn't have wanted to fight him in the first place.
@joaquincasascortes624 @joaquincasascortes624 u said u Weren't sure if vl ichigo was relative or not meaning u believe there's a slight chance he might be. My example proved he isn't.
The only thing u can give ulquiorra was that the scale of his fight LOOKED bigger than starrks fight, but kubo does this with a lot if ichigos hype moments. Ichigos 1st getsuga tenshou was far greater in scale than any other getsuga tenshou he fired later on. Ichigos fight with grimmjow seemed greater in scale than noitorras fight with zaraki but noitorra is stronger than grimmjow at that moment. To give u an idea the difference in power between 1st release ulquiorra and starrk, in cfyow hallibel grimmjow and nelliel r all relative in power. Yet, grimmjow is stated by ikomikidomoe that he wouldn't stand a chance vs pre hokyoku amp barragon. Grimmjow himself confirms this. Since grimmjow is relative in power to cfyow hallibel, that makes him stronger than 1st release ulquiorra. That shows that even the difference in power between barragon before the hokyoku amp and 1st release ulquiorra is already massive. Add fkt barragon on top of that and the power difference grows even more. Startk is stronger than fkt barragon making tge difference between ulquiorra 1st release and release starrk MASSIVE. It's illogical for a simple 1st release to close that gap. Yammy in the databooks is confirmed stronger than ulquiorra but ulquiorras fight scale LOOKED greater than yammys, showing kubos way of writing as well as the department limiting what he wanted as he already admitted ulquiorra vs ichigo didn't go the way he wanted in the source material.
Aizen didn't want to fight vl ichigo. He was just disappointed in ichigos growth at the moment he met him. The form aizen was excited for in the flashback was the idea of the culmination of the human soul reaper quincy and hollow hybrid, not just the hollow and soul reaper part. It's never been implied aizen wanted to fight vl ichigo.
I don’t think Vasto Lorde gets over very many. The top 4 body him, if we are going story wise the bambis would likely team up on him and he would give them a run for their money but would eventually lose. He getting over Aznot, all of the 3 Quincies Kenny bodied before getting bodied by Ywach. He more then likely loses to Askin, Baz-B I mean it’s not impossible to win but I’d say mid to high diff. If we are just doing 1 v 1s is it ever confirmed how Giselle actually dies? He was kinda just off screened by Ywach after not dying to Mayuri so I’m not sure how Vasto Lorde kills him. Like the first page we see Liltoto stabbed through the gut and a dead Giselle next to her ass up tounge out.
Fear is an instinct based thing and hollows are pure instinct. If The Fear would work on anyone it would work on hollows the most, especially a purely instinct driven Vasto Lorde Ichigo. His reaction to that fear is up to interpretation
Probably would just enrage Vasto-rage Ichigo even more. Which is... a really bad idea-
@@centurionchetfear makes it so the physical body can't hit as nodt through nerves and such. A cero is enough tho
@@Ghhb-jr4sk fear can also increase your adrenaline and make them stronger. Vasto lord ichigo is nothing like Byakuya they'd react differently.
@@TheEllord33 byakuya has shown that rukia is important enough to him to give him an adrenaline boost. The fact he didn't implies the fear asnodt uses is solely to make the enemy unable to fight
He will lose to hashwalt, uryu, gerard, lile, pernida, and maybe askin
Gremmy > Askin
@@JT-km6th Didn't Askin catch True Shikai Ichigo out there and True Shikai Ichigo is like>>>Dangai Ichigo? Cause if so, Gremmy ain't touching that if I'm being honest.
@@elishaj2977 Askin didn't do shit, he gets negged
What kind of hypothetical is this? This Ichigo wouldn’t have even been powerful enough to make Aizen flinch in his fused Hogyoku form. And an exponentially stronger Aizen was incapacitated by one of the weakest members of the Sternritter. How in the fuck is there any argument to be made for VL Ichigo? And that’s just ONE of the over 2 dozen he has to face. And jdc these voices just get cringier and more artificial…
If you rewatch/reread the fight between fused hogyoku Aizen and Ichigo, Aizen states VL ichigo is stronger then Dangai Ichigo and states it was ascendant, and what he hoped to fight.
@@SableAiolos He never states that VL was stronger than Dangai. Not only does that make zero sense narratively, it’s just incorrect. Aizen said that his plan was to condition Ichigo as an opponent and his final planned stage of evolution as Aizen’s opponent was not to be his VL form. Aizen never compared that form to Dangai at all. He didn’t even know what the Dangai form was, so how could he have a gauge of how powerful it was? Not to mention that Mugetsu would have one shot if he weren’t immortal, and the technique severely weakened him from where his Hogyoku evolution was. Im no logic professor, but I don’t think I’d be remiss in saying that you’re the one who needs to rewatch/reread
@@SableAiolosno way you said that vl ichigo was on par with ulquiorra while dangai ichigo was bitching aizen
@@vanta8975 Ulquiorra vs VL is a higher tier fight then Yamamoto (shikai) vs Royd Lloyd
@@sukumuieywang8058 Chapter 419 "Can you hear me Ichigo Kurosaki? You did indeed momentarily become a transcendent being by obliterating the boundary between shinigami and hollow. However you have lost that powet and are now but a shadow of your former self."
This is after Aizen transforms from butterfly aizen and speed blitzes Dangai Ichigo.
Mugetsu is a seperate form with higher SP but can only use one attack lol