I love this topic! I quit a 20-year career in the veterinary field to write full-time. However, I was lucky to have built enough pet-sitting clients to pay the bills before leaving. I earn enough just by staying at other people's houses and doing a few pet visits during the day. Now I can easily fit in 8+ hours a day to write. Two books written, seven more to go in this series, and several one-off novels started already!
@@_ReeAmarr I'm currently writing a sci-fi/space opera. Not published yet, as it's my first series I don't want to publish until I've got all 9 books done. I'd hate to get halfway through the series and then realize I have a huge plot hole or could have put in some clever foreshadowing. But thanks for asking!
@@writethroughtheheart 9 books! What an endeavour! You clearly have hold great importance in clarity and authenticity in your story, which is sick. I have a question, similar to the topic of this video: Did you find it harder to create new ideas/found your creative ideas declined in quality once you quit your supportive career? I found in my art, that when I had more of a reliance on it doing well for me earning money, that because the stakes became higher on it being good, that the quality of my art decreased. Keen to hear your experience :)
I always thought getting a real job would be “selling my soul to corporate america” and all that BS, but then I grew up, moved out my parent’s house and needed to pay rent and become independent. I found that after having a full time job for over a year now and becoming financially independent that it has allowed me to structure my life in a way that is incredibly conducive to my music and art. Having such limited time makes my creative free time so precious and important. I stopped wasting time and started using all my free time to work on myself, learn, read, create, and share what I make! It takes all the pressure off my art making money and that allows me to be as creative as I want, and to truly not care what anyone thinks about it. Being financially independent allows me to make my own decisions and have autonomy over my life outside work, and as an artist I now get to prioritize art over everything else in my personal life. Growing up, getting a job, doing therapy, asking myself what really brings me joy and fulfillment is what allows me to work on art and music a little bit everyday. My job pays my rent, my art feeds my soul. ❤
I definitely vibe with what Elliott Smith said about the effects of a lack of structure in your life. I had a couple years where I had tons of free time, no job, no obligations, nothing but time to pursue music. But then the pressure to make something of all that time turned making music into a job in and of itself and I could barely enjoy it anymore. Having structure, even if it’s not from a job, is vital for me. If I have something I’m beholden to, the time I have outside of that thing becomes so much more precious and I’m more driven not to waste it
Absolutely. 💯 gotta use a 9-5 as a stepping stone and allocate your time and money into the things your passionate about and love. It’s not easy but if you can do that you’ll appreciate it and enjoy yourself that much more whenever you do have the time to do the things you love.
I had the same experience. When I was still at the day job, I couldn’t wait to get out. I was able to write 2-4K words before work every day, so surely I’d be able to do way more when I went full-time. It was the exact opposite. I slowed down, because there was no longer pressed for time. It took me a long while to find a new structure that worked for me, and even a year and a half into full-time writing, I can lose a whole day’s productivity if I mess up one step.
15:20 A favourite poem of mine by Charles Bukowski touches on this topic. It speaks of the drive to create, and how you should never allow circumstances or excuses to get in the way. Air and Light and Time and Space ”- you know, I’ve either had a family, a job, something has always been in the way but now I’ve sold my house, I’ve found this place, a large studio, you should see the space and the light. for the first time in my life I’m going to have a place and the time to create.” no baby, if you’re going to create you’re going to create whether you work 16 hours a day in a coal mine or you’re going to create in a small room with 3 children while you’re on welfare, you’re going to create with part of your mind and your body blown away, you’re going to create blind crippled demented, you’re going to create with a cat crawling up your back while the whole city trembles in earthquake, bombardment, flood and fire. baby, air and light and time and space have nothing to do with it and don’t create anything except maybe a longer life to find new excuses for.
For me, It’s never been about being “stuck in a 9-5”. It’s that I’ve found the one thing for which I would gladly stay in a 9-5 just to be able to do on the side. Time for making music is scarce, but that makes it more precious.
I guess it’s the difference between having it be a hobby vs a career. Both are valid but require vastly different mindsets and time investments. The 9-5 life zapped the creativity from my music and I didn’t release anything for nearly 4 years. I really, really tried. 1 year post quitting the 9-5 and going all in and I’ve launched a new project and played my first big festivals where I was able to share all my new music with a crowd. The universe seems to know when you go all in. Just to share a different perspective. YMMV.
Einstein had a day job! “when Albert Einstein developed his Theory of Relativity, he was employed at a patent office in Bern, Switzerland, where he analyzed patent applications, allowing him to work on his theories during his free time.“ “Some believe that the analytical nature of his patent office work may have contributed to his development of the theory of relativity, as he was constantly thinking about mechanisms and how things worked.” My day job has taught me a lot of valuable lessons about time management, workflow, organization, dead lines, and process that I have translated into my music/art practice. As much as I hate to admit it, having a ‘real’ job has actually allowed me to grow as an artist and a person in ways that I never thought I would.
This may be narcissistic I'm not too sure but I shed a little tear when you read the line "...and if it's just me that enjoys the outcome, then that's fine with me" Hits hard... That is the prime driver of having creativity driving you/me... I might be the only person that likes it.. but that's all that matters to keep going..i kind of don't feel so alone after hearing that.. Love your videos man I've been watching for a while now and I always throw your videos on in particular when I need that push to not give up my creative pursuits.. Thankyou bro
No it’s not i understand what you mean I don’t care for the audience and I should . It makes me feel like iam selfish but it’s true. I make art and skateboard cause I love it and I just wanna see what I can come up with and if people like it that makes me feel good sure. But I really should be trying to care a little more about an audience. I think it would be better for me imo. Maybe more healthy. 🤷♂️ but as Bukowski said I’m going to create regardless. ❤ God bless yall. 🫡💯👊
Thank you for posting this. I failed 5 times trying to make it big in 5 bands that I started. At the same time I worked full time. I’m finally starting to see that I am guitarist , who can write songs . Which is a 😊good thing.
This video is perfect, loved every minute! As for the topic, it hit it right on the nose. I lived through it, as a creative, I lived the "dream" of being unemployed, and not having to worry too much for about 2 years. Ironically enough, those two years were my most unproductive creative span since I was last working. I didn't stop completely, but whatever I did never ended up getting finished, there was so much pressure on needing to do something amazing with all this time I have. To create something astonishing, that in the end nothing wholly worthwhile was produced. Although, it's kind of bittersweet to be going back to work tomorrow, some part of me is looking forward to it, and the ideas that may spawn whilst being away from the desk and the constant need to create, and find myself rushing home to put that idea on paper. We'll see...
relatable af thanks for this insight and video Creative Minds! im a music artist that just released my 4th album and working on my next music projects, life works in interesting ways, and thru jobs and income, even part-time, got me slowly out of survival mode, which brought abundance to my life and a more pure and freeing approach to the time I make for my art
This is something I wonder about almost everyday. I am grateful for a job that gives me structure during the day so I can be free to create in the spaces between. Lately though, because things have been busy, I get frustrated at work because I don't have time for "elective thinking." I guess it would be wise to be more present at my day job. However ideally to me, I would be able to daydream/think freely for some amount of satisfying time during the job. Thank you for putting together such motivating clips and ideas that I have heard, have resonated within and are now further emphasized. Lovely video, you are creating a space for us creatives to come together and feel understood.
Well, at least one of your sources mentioned neoliberalism. I know there's many conversations to be had on this topic, but as a politically inclined sicko myself, I feel disappointed that there wasn't more discussion on the material conditions that create this struggle for creativity. You know who never has to worry whether turning their passion into a career is a good idea? You know who has the free time to pursue their interests without worrying about necessities? You know who feels unpressured to make their creative works become as lucrative as possible, rather than the most true to themselves? You know who. You know who.
love this - interesting to think about protecting the slowness as an essential part of creative work as opposed to labeling it as the enemy or the unfortunate byproduct of the full time job. it's easy to feel rushed to produce or be tempted to return to the formulas that have worked before, especially in the social media age. as someone who reflects on this struggle of balance a lot, i'm looking forward to making more work with this new perspective
In my experience it’s always been an either or with jobs and music. I admire people who can balance it. My output was where I wanted it when I was making just enough off of it to live. Since then I’ve been trying get back to creating but I have a family and all sorts of other things in the equation that make it feel pretty impossible to make stuff on any high level.
It's interesting to note that your low level of creation can be someone else's high level of listening experience I am a perfectionist as well, I try to like my first take enough so I don't stop in the process, basically reducing self doubt while creating Good luck on your path
I hear you. I’ve never been able to balance the two . Atleast for long. I always end up sabotaging my job by trying to create and I burn out and then end up being miserable and tired as hell at my job and get fired lol. I’m tired of not being able to work properly and hold a job and still be productive and have the energy to do things at 100% it sucks
Everyone is different. Some of us do our best work quick and dirty, churning a piece out in a couple of hours. Others have to spend countless hours in every nook and cranny of it. For some of us, turning our creative hobby into a profession would suck the fun out of it, this happened to me with music. But for others, we still love doing the thing even though money and stress and assholes are involved. Writing is that for me. Figure out what works best for you. Some of us need the structure of a regular job, some of us create our own structure just as well.
travis does play the shit out of that drum kit live. ive seen him play for different bands over the years, and he does hit those drums like there aint no tomorow. 😂
Just finished the video. Having too much free time and nothing to do with that free time is a struggle of mine. I often tell myself my creative work is something I need to do, and that puts an overwhelming amount of pressure onto that creativity. I wanna learn how to see it as a want rather than a need. Because I have a full-time job, working harsh hours that leave me exhausted and drained every day. Doing something I want to do vs. need to do is the reason why I fell into certain unproductive habits, but I can make this work around the way I’ve developed, instead of trying to change every aspect to fit what I feel I need to do.
Thank you so much for this amazing video! A bit off-topic, but I wanted to ask: I have a SafePal wallet with USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). How should I go about transferring them to Binance?
Joe Rogan qoute is generic BS. his good friends that were successful full time comedians grew up with families that had money. Tom Segura, Bert, Whitney Cummings, Brendan Schaub, Bryan Callen. If you did not worry about money yes you can focus on comedy. They are all well known mediocre comedians that are successful through their connections with people like Joe Rogan.
I didn't know about that, however it's not rare to see when you dig a little bit that some artists rely heavily on their family because of the uncertain nature of their activity.
I love this topic! I quit a 20-year career in the veterinary field to write full-time. However, I was lucky to have built enough pet-sitting clients to pay the bills before leaving. I earn enough just by staying at other people's houses and doing a few pet visits during the day. Now I can easily fit in 8+ hours a day to write. Two books written, seven more to go in this series, and several one-off novels started already!
What kind of books? I too used to get paid to stay at wonderful homes with peoples pets, I miss them all.
Are those 2 books published? If so, what kind of books do you write? and where can I find them?
@@migzz7976 The series I'm writing now is a sci-fi/space opera. And don't pets just make for the best company!
@@_ReeAmarr I'm currently writing a sci-fi/space opera. Not published yet, as it's my first series I don't want to publish until I've got all 9 books done. I'd hate to get halfway through the series and then realize I have a huge plot hole or could have put in some clever foreshadowing. But thanks for asking!
@@writethroughtheheart 9 books! What an endeavour! You clearly have hold great importance in clarity and authenticity in your story, which is sick. I have a question, similar to the topic of this video: Did you find it harder to create new ideas/found your creative ideas declined in quality once you quit your supportive career? I found in my art, that when I had more of a reliance on it doing well for me earning money, that because the stakes became higher on it being good, that the quality of my art decreased. Keen to hear your experience :)
I always thought getting a real job would be “selling my soul to corporate america” and all that BS, but then I grew up, moved out my parent’s house and needed to pay rent and become independent. I found that after having a full time job for over a year now and becoming financially independent that it has allowed me to structure my life in a way that is incredibly conducive to my music and art. Having such limited time makes my creative free time so precious and important. I stopped wasting time and started using all my free time to work on myself, learn, read, create, and share what I make! It takes all the pressure off my art making money and that allows me to be as creative as I want, and to truly not care what anyone thinks about it. Being financially independent allows me to make my own decisions and have autonomy over my life outside work, and as an artist I now get to prioritize art over everything else in my personal life. Growing up, getting a job, doing therapy, asking myself what really brings me joy and fulfillment is what allows me to work on art and music a little bit everyday. My job pays my rent, my art feeds my soul. ❤
You should be financially stable without having a job. You shouldn't need a job to have a place to live.
@@Sundjicorrect in theory , but who said the world was fair
I definitely vibe with what Elliott Smith said about the effects of a lack of structure in your life. I had a couple years where I had tons of free time, no job, no obligations, nothing but time to pursue music. But then the pressure to make something of all that time turned making music into a job in and of itself and I could barely enjoy it anymore. Having structure, even if it’s not from a job, is vital for me. If I have something I’m beholden to, the time I have outside of that thing becomes so much more precious and I’m more driven not to waste it
Absolutely. 💯 gotta use a 9-5 as a stepping stone and allocate your time and money into the things your passionate about and love. It’s not easy but if you can do that you’ll appreciate it and enjoy yourself that much more whenever you do have the time to do the things you love.
I had the same experience. When I was still at the day job, I couldn’t wait to get out. I was able to write 2-4K words before work every day, so surely I’d be able to do way more when I went full-time.
It was the exact opposite. I slowed down, because there was no longer pressed for time. It took me a long while to find a new structure that worked for me, and even a year and a half into full-time writing, I can lose a whole day’s productivity if I mess up one step.
15:20 A favourite poem of mine by Charles Bukowski touches on this topic. It speaks of the drive to create, and how you should never allow circumstances or excuses to get in the way.
Air and Light and Time and Space
”- you know, I’ve either had a family, a job,
something has always been in the
way
but now
I’ve sold my house, I’ve found this
place, a large studio, you should see the space and
the light.
for the first time in my life I’m going to have
a place and the time to
create.”
no baby, if you’re going to create
you’re going to create whether you work
16 hours a day in a coal mine
or
you’re going to create in a small room with 3 children
while you’re on
welfare,
you’re going to create with part of your mind and your body blown
away,
you’re going to create blind
crippled
demented,
you’re going to create with a cat crawling up your
back while
the whole city trembles in earthquake, bombardment,
flood and fire.
baby, air and light and time and space
have nothing to do with it
and don’t create anything
except maybe a longer life to find
new excuses
for.
For me, It’s never been about being “stuck in a 9-5”. It’s that I’ve found the one thing for which I would gladly stay in a 9-5 just to be able to do on the side. Time for making music is scarce, but that makes it more precious.
Thank you
I guess it’s the difference between having it be a hobby vs a career. Both are valid but require vastly different mindsets and time investments. The 9-5 life zapped the creativity from my music and I didn’t release anything for nearly 4 years. I really, really tried. 1 year post quitting the 9-5 and going all in and I’ve launched a new project and played my first big festivals where I was able to share all my new music with a crowd. The universe seems to know when you go all in. Just to share a different perspective. YMMV.
Einstein had a day job! “when Albert Einstein developed his Theory of Relativity, he was employed at a patent office in Bern, Switzerland, where he analyzed patent applications, allowing him to work on his theories during his free time.“
“Some believe that the analytical nature of his patent office work may have contributed to his development of the theory of relativity, as he was constantly thinking about mechanisms and how things worked.”
My day job has taught me a lot of valuable lessons about time management, workflow, organization, dead lines, and process that I have translated into my music/art practice. As much as I hate to admit it, having a ‘real’ job has actually allowed me to grow as an artist and a person in ways that I never thought I would.
This may be narcissistic I'm not too sure but I shed a little tear when you read the line "...and if it's just me that enjoys the outcome, then that's fine with me"
Hits hard... That is the prime driver of having creativity driving you/me... I might be the only person that likes it.. but that's all that matters to keep going..i kind of don't feel so alone after hearing that..
Love your videos man I've been watching for a while now and I always throw your videos on in particular when I need that push to not give up my creative pursuits..
Thankyou bro
No it’s not i understand what you mean I don’t care for the audience and I should . It makes me feel like iam selfish but it’s true. I make art and skateboard cause I love it and I just wanna see what I can come up with and if people like it that makes me feel good sure. But I really should be trying to care a little more about an audience. I think it would be better for me imo. Maybe more healthy. 🤷♂️ but as Bukowski said I’m going to create regardless. ❤ God bless yall. 🫡💯👊
This timing is crazy
This reflects my own situation so closely…
Thank you for posting this. I failed 5 times trying to make it big in 5 bands that I started. At the same time I worked full time. I’m finally starting to see that I am guitarist , who can write songs . Which is a 😊good thing.
This video is perfect, loved every minute! As for the topic, it hit it right on the nose. I lived through it, as a creative, I lived the "dream" of being unemployed, and not having to worry too much for about 2 years. Ironically enough, those two years were my most unproductive creative span since I was last working. I didn't stop completely, but whatever I did never ended up getting finished, there was so much pressure on needing to do something amazing with all this time I have. To create something astonishing, that in the end nothing wholly worthwhile was produced. Although, it's kind of bittersweet to be going back to work tomorrow, some part of me is looking forward to it, and the ideas that may spawn whilst being away from the desk and the constant need to create, and find myself rushing home to put that idea on paper. We'll see...
Im the opposite been out of work for a year and a half and love it. Finished four drafts this year.
Exciting things ahead man, good luck!
relatable af thanks for this insight and video Creative Minds! im a music artist that just released my 4th album and working on my next music projects, life works in interesting ways, and thru jobs and income, even part-time, got me slowly out of survival mode, which brought abundance to my life and a more pure and freeing approach to the time I make for my art
This was an incredible video. Thanks for all the work you do to bring these voices to us, when we need to hear it the most!
This is something I wonder about almost everyday. I am grateful for a job that gives me structure during the day so I can be free to create in the spaces between. Lately though, because things have been busy, I get frustrated at work because I don't have time for "elective thinking." I guess it would be wise to be more present at my day job. However ideally to me, I would be able to daydream/think freely for some amount of satisfying time during the job. Thank you for putting together such motivating clips and ideas that I have heard, have resonated within and are now further emphasized. Lovely video, you are creating a space for us creatives to come together and feel understood.
Well, at least one of your sources mentioned neoliberalism. I know there's many conversations to be had on this topic, but as a politically inclined sicko myself, I feel disappointed that there wasn't more discussion on the material conditions that create this struggle for creativity. You know who never has to worry whether turning their passion into a career is a good idea? You know who has the free time to pursue their interests without worrying about necessities? You know who feels unpressured to make their creative works become as lucrative as possible, rather than the most true to themselves? You know who. You know who.
Tellem
love this - interesting to think about protecting the slowness as an essential part of creative work as opposed to labeling it as the enemy or the unfortunate byproduct of the full time job. it's easy to feel rushed to produce or be tempted to return to the formulas that have worked before, especially in the social media age. as someone who reflects on this struggle of balance a lot, i'm looking forward to making more work with this new perspective
In my experience it’s always been an either or with jobs and music. I admire people who can balance it. My output was where I wanted it when I was making just enough off of it to live. Since then I’ve been trying get back to creating but I have a family and all sorts of other things in the equation that make it feel pretty impossible to make stuff on any high level.
It's interesting to note that your low level of creation can be someone else's high level of listening experience
I am a perfectionist as well, I try to like my first take enough so I don't stop in the process, basically reducing self doubt while creating
Good luck on your path
I hear you. I’ve never been able to balance the two . Atleast for long. I always end up sabotaging my job by trying to create and I burn out and then end up being miserable and tired as hell at my job and get fired lol. I’m tired of not being able to work properly and hold a job and still be productive and have the energy to do things at 100% it sucks
@@soundsbitter I got fired this morning... here we go again. If you a have a tip to spare you're welcome
I legit just started my fulltime job and you come in just in the nick is time to help me along brother - Thankyou!
Everyone is different. Some of us do our best work quick and dirty, churning a piece out in a couple of hours. Others have to spend countless hours in every nook and cranny of it. For some of us, turning our creative hobby into a profession would suck the fun out of it, this happened to me with music. But for others, we still love doing the thing even though money and stress and assholes are involved. Writing is that for me.
Figure out what works best for you. Some of us need the structure of a regular job, some of us create our own structure just as well.
travis does play the shit out of that drum kit live. ive seen him play for different bands over the years, and he does hit those drums like there aint no tomorow. 😂
One of your best videos to-date, amazing stuff
i love that ur adding more Elliott Smith to ur content, respect
God bless this channel and you sir. 🙏
I literally had my family telling me needed a plan b on thanksgiving
You should listen to them
nobody has the vision you have but only yourself
The background jazz track is a tad bit too loud and distracting at points, something to note for next time!
great video!
Just finished the video. Having too much free time and nothing to do with that free time is a struggle of mine. I often tell myself my creative work is something I need to do, and that puts an overwhelming amount of pressure onto that creativity. I wanna learn how to see it as a want rather than a need. Because I have a full-time job, working harsh hours that leave me exhausted and drained every day. Doing something I want to do vs. need to do is the reason why I fell into certain unproductive habits, but I can make this work around the way I’ve developed, instead of trying to change every aspect to fit what I feel I need to do.
Well said. Can relate
Thank you so much for this amazing video! A bit off-topic, but I wanted to ask: I have a SafePal wallet with USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). How should I go about transferring them to Binance?
great stuff
Please some blessed soul: what's the name of the starting track of the video?
What’s the first song!
It's travis Barker , not Parker
rogan can do one
Joe Rogan qoute is generic BS. his good friends that were successful full time comedians grew up with families that had money. Tom Segura, Bert, Whitney Cummings, Brendan Schaub, Bryan Callen. If you did not worry about money yes you can focus on comedy. They are all well known mediocre comedians that are successful through their connections with people like Joe Rogan.
I didn't know about that, however it's not rare to see when you dig a little bit that some artists rely heavily on their family because of the uncertain nature of their activity.
Earl Thebe Sweat-shirt..lot of South African bru's really dont phaq' with home like that
constructive criticism - you need to turn down the classical music in the background. i cant focus on 2 things at once its distracting as!
Typo in the thumbnail!
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