@@Andrew-ti8hi ....George ends up having to 'rant' as you say, because that's the only way he can get his points across to them! He's tried the 'softly softly persuasive' route, and it doesn't work with these people. They just switch off completely, or laugh in his face. By ranting more, he shocks them into having to defend their position more rigorously. And quite often by doing this he wins, as they can't back their opinions up with hard evidence (like he can); so they then either run out of steam, or go into 'bat sh*t crazy' mode - making them look more extreme, ignorant, and Illogical. This woman was never going to win, in an argument with George Monbiot. She doesn't have the evidence to, or the ability.
Regardless of what you actually think of the IEA, what strikes me about that exchange is the tactics used by Reem to personally attack and undermine Monbiot: 'You're obsessed.'; 'This is a conspiracy theory.' It's pure strawman arguments and gaslighting. He was arguing for a very basic standard of transparency. The tone of the response is telling.
Tbh though, the BBC are the guilty party for inviting these sponsored right wing drones on. I thought Monbiot responded perfectly reasonably. Possibly he should have asked why the BBC invite these paid trolls on but maybe that's all that's left of the far right these days.
@@T1tusCr0w they are cyphers; but also people- careful! My guess is that this shill psychologically requires the spotlight (and of course the money). We must find words that quickly expose them for the shills they are so their views (which are superficially appealing to many) are seen as motivated by money.
It’s a criminal organisation dedicated to undermining British liberty and democracy. It’s leadership should be arrested for various offences ranging from fraud to treason and the entire organisation proscribed.
It’s a criminal organisation dedicated to fraud and election manipulation. Should be proscribed and outlawed. It’s an OCG with a fancy name…nothing more.
@@rogeredmunds5806 The remark does come with racial overtones which I was aware of when I made it. We have an interesting mechanism operating in discourse in our societies: expressions and words need to be avoided due to person that is being addressed. The consequences of not doing so can easily render your own words being weaponised against you. This style of countering in a debate is designed to silence or win the argument in a dishonest way.
@@Algolxxxxxx I wasn't criticising you, honestly. It's the kind of terminology that some of today's overly sensitive souls would have a hissy fit about. That's all I meant. I do rather like the expression "filthy lucre", and it sums things up more aptly for me.
@@rogeredmunds5806 I wasn't criticising you personally. It was just a general observation of how some people operate in a debate arena and take advantage of language.
Bullshit. He spent months smearing Jeremy Corbyn, and thereby did a lot to help Boris Johnson into Number 10. Monbiot is a serial liar and a self-serving hypocrite.
If our voters have lived in the U.K. for 15 years now and we’re not 1 year olds when that sentence started. It’s also irrelevant. Because they KNOW what this thinking has done to us.
This! I believe that she probably did believe what she is saying, sincerely and whole heartedly. The IEA didn't fund her to think what she says, it funded the apparatus to amplify it.
It reminds me of the Chomsky interview with Andrew Marr. After Chomsky explained his views on the media, Marr said something similar to the girl speaking with George Monbiot, about how he isn't just being told what to say and think by his bosses. Chomsky was happy to agree, but pointed out that it's because he has been able to navigate certain institutional environments due to his conformity that Andrew Marr was able to occupy his position within the media. This girl has been swallowing ruling class ideology her whole life. That's why she works for the organisation she works for. And she's paid to keep swallowing it.
The Chomsky/Marr interview sprang to my mind, too. I'm sure she genuinely believes the s**t she shovels (to some extent), and wouldn't be there, flying their flag and getting paid well for it, if that wasn't the case.
It was not offensive to ask her those questions, it was offensive that she did not answer them, or that she's let on at all just to do legal corporate lobbying
@@cthulhstu not when it comes to this pure capitalism-simping nonsense. You can tell even her media training is American in origin, using all of the same catch phrases and terminology as any right wing American pundit or politician you’ve heard, the same faux outrage at fair questioning and criticism. This isn’t destabilizing in the ways Russia targets.
Are you saying democrats socialist party not capitalist imperialist party waging wars, famines all over the world .... And causing higher inflations, interest rates, food prices, and goods prices ...
These dodgy think tanks have so saturated the media over the years and established themselves as the 'reasonable and accepted voices of economic wisdom', whereas George Monbiot is treated as some kind of extreme anti capitalist/growth at all costs 'nut job' for actually challenging them and their shady backers. More George please!
The IEA, as a dark-money, far-right pressure/lobby group, should not get to put a single representative on telly without the body they're representing being described this way. They prefer "think tank"? I prefer "propaganda mill". Let's compromise with pressure group or lobby group. The dark-money and far-right are accurate descriptions of their consistent organisational choices. We need to rebrand them.
@@andrewtrip8617 hmm. Their advice to Liz Truss cost the UK economy billions in a matter of weeks; the same advice they continue to peddle. That seems pretty "far" to me. Honestly, I can't be certain, but the fact that we can't know who's funding them, nor what other causes they may be funding... they're hiding the truth of what they are, presumably for a reason. I'm not willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. Put another way, they're on the outer right fringes of the Conservative Party. The Party has, in living memory, changed laws, changed talking points, and changed the makeup of the party in response to pressure groups like this one. They've moved the Overton window considerably further right than it was. Do you have any evidence for your claim? Or are you suggesting the more secretive a group is, the more we should assume their reasonableness?
Exactly. Like Noam Chomsky once said to Andrew Marr, it's not that you're censoring yourself or saying things you don't believe. It's that if you believed something else you wouldn't be in the position you're in.
Nobody exists to pay us to hold onto our opinions, and yet we hold onto them as our own, regardless of how much we're insulted and cajoled to do otherwise. If there wasn't anyone to pay them to tout out these opinions, would they even have any? In the late feudal period, Lackeys literally knelt down to function as mobile footstools.
When it comes to transparency over sources of funding, it's surely best to take the position of "guilty until proven innocent". If you can't, or are unwilling to, reveal your sources, we HAVE TO assume they're sinister and dangerous. You wouldn't take a drink given to you by a stranger and drink it without knowing what's in it. So why are we letting the IEA assume a prominent role in public life without knowing their motives?
In a true democracy, very rich and very powerful lobby groups like the IEA, would not be permitted to exert or have any influence, in any way whatsoever.
@@lordsummerisle852 no of course not. Allowing small powerful groups to exert direct influence over government cannot ever be democratic. Democracy is not just about the ballot box. It's also about policy driven by the majority.
@@arkadybron1994 yep. So how did we allow big pharma to control the narrative in the media and dictate policy across the world? A pretty insignificant think tank gets called out but not big pharma?
I forgot about Liz Truss and her budget. That was a real big clanger that she dropped. You are meant to give the money from the poor to the rich in a secretive and complicated way but she tried to do it in plain view.
Exactly. On paper, England is rich, but really, it's poor (for a highly developed country)....it just has a minority of super rich people into which the majority of money is concentrated.
What’s offensive is that your not honest enough to tell us on who’s behalf your speaking! This should be done before anyone gives their opinion! Her fake offence makes it obvious!!
They tried to make it about her personally- NO that’s distracting from his point. He was clearly stating he had issues with what institution she represents and the money and powers that feeds them. Extremely valid and glaringly obvious. I’m tired of centrists clutching at their pearls. The public is smarter than these games.
I love George Monbiot. He very rarely lets his emotions get the better of him. He just succinctly, ruthlessly lays the facts out and that's hard to counter.
She has Moroccan/Egyptian heritage, I think she means Egypt... naturally IEA never wants to talk about the massive, world-leading success of Nordic socialist policies...
@@Patrick-jj5nh "b-but that's not socialism" they will say, ignoring the fact that 33% of a businesses' leadership board must be elected workers, they have sky-high unionisation rates, Ghent systems, a massive social wealth fund in Norway, the Norwegian state owning 30% of the domestic stock market, 20% of Norwegians live in democratically owned housing... they sure as hell have more socialised/democratic ownership over there, which is literally what socialism is if one looks up the definition.
Monbiot is an OG, he did a podcast recently with Rachel Donald, Which was very good The problem is we have a crisis where there seems to be a push to create economic growth at any cost, rather than improving the quality of the current living standards of the everyday persons
Infrastucture investment is the bedrock of real growth, not printing money for financial institutions to skim off and to line the pockets of oligarchs and their lackeys politicians on the take.
@@brettblyth1857 which they’re not doing in anyway shape or form, the governance isn’t even a capitalists utopia, it’s not a socialists utopia… It’s a half baked no mans land economy, that neither grows nor declines
Listening to her reaction to Monbiot, I was reminded of Chomsky's reply to Andrew Marr when Marr asked Chomsky if he was saying Marr was biased. Chomsky replied, "No, I'm saying you wouldn't be working for the BBC if you thought in any other way."
The woman monbiot was questioning is very immature. To get offended because someone challenges your world view is a clear sign that you’re not grown up enough to have an adult conversation
I think it's because their office is close to several tv studios as Michael points out. However, after the Truss debacle you'd think they'd go into hiding.
@@geoffpoole483 They have no shame plus I guarantee you they still think Truss' policies were the correct ones, they just didn't sell them to the public well enough.
Claiming that an opponent’s argument is “offensive” is intended simply to silence that opponent, when no other reasoned argument is possible. It’s the equivalent of shouting: “anti semitism” to stop criticism of genocide in Gaza.
Well done George as usual . Big business wants , less regulation, cheap labour , less government, less civil service, less public medicine, less social housing. They just want total control . This grinning, laughingstock woman was an embarrassment simply by her response to George . Hit the nail on the head a 'tick tock' created entity. She may believe what she says ....yes she is paid to believe.
Monbiot is so versed in this type of argument. He is ferocious and always errs on the side of a political picture that has integrity and transparency. Props to him.
So we should let businesses govern themselves? No. Because they will more often choose profit over social responsibility. Which is why we need a government
These people have all been media-trained to respond in the same way. They are on the programme because they are from the IEA. When anyone challenges the funding, they claim that they are speaking on their own behalf. But that is a diversion that they've been taught. It doesn't matter what their personal opinion, they are there because they are from a think-tank. So their authenticity is not being challenged, it's their funding that IS being challenged.
Imagine a child thinking she could best George, she looks all of twelve, and will not have any clear thinking having been brainwashed. Her arrogance is amazing, she should feel offended, she's spouting much offensive tosh. Brilliant George as always 🤣
In Stephen Fry's words: "It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so fucking what." On the contrary, the implication that information distribution is being influenced by corporations whose values are vastly out of whack with that of what would be good for most common individuals/families/social groups, or the environment or anything else than the corporations' interests - that is a real problem that can have serious negative outcomes. For one thing it undermines our democratic process which cannot function properly if the information voters are receiving is too skewed. That's people with money trying to bamboozle the public into supporting things against their best interests. I know this may all be obvious but the scale of difference in importance between the two claims in the interview can hardly be overstated.
just ask yourself: what is more likely, a scientist with decades of research & papers in climate science under his belt being wrong or, some random person on the internet with no experience, portfolio, history, background being wrong? the fundamentals of fact checking and looking at sources includes asking yourself why the author of a source would write/say what they did. and if the iea wants the people to be better off the people should be deciding what happens, not businesses, and not governments that don't represent the people they lord over.
She said that she came from places that had "suffered under socialism" (I'm paraphrasing.) What is her and her family's background? I can find very little objective information about her.
George Monbiot , good as he is at cutting through the nonsense, has acknowledged for years the need for tackling the growth model and the challenges of degrowth. We Have two major parties in Westminster and a significant SNP minority that do not acknowledge the growth problem with no means of tackling it. It is telling we have no others, no institution, no government body looking at regrowth and how it can be implemented without tanking the economy. It is clear wage and wealth inequality need tackling and we need greater investment in 'public wealth' at the expense of 'private wealth'. Continued growth during a climate and ecological emergency and continuing inequality is disastrous. The IEA person rambles on about having lived 'in countries decimated by socialism' when she lives on a planet that will be destroyed by neoliberalism, libertarian, military industrial growth model that washes it's hands of externalities. Where are our institutions holding the free market paradigm to account? Where are those looking at alternative models? This is much bigger than a single journalist raising awareness and highlights our lack of preparedness and any serious strategic considerations by all parties to tackle the crises in economic models to tackle the climate and ecological emergency.
Spot on. This idea that growth is good in and of itself, and that it's the only way for a country to thrive. Even the language we use - we don't talk about countries or communities, we talk only about "economies". I greatly value George's contribution to this discussion, which desperately needs to see the light of day in a more amplified public debate!
That's right. Big Oil vs The World is on iPlayer and should be watched exactly for this reason. Evidence of a series of concerted misinformation campaigns funded by corporations on the effects of the petrochemical industry with tangible (negative) effects on policy.
She believes everything she's saying. If she didn't she wouldn't make those points or if she had different views, the IEA wouldn't have championed her. She's the unwitting mouthpiece for the IEA.
The IEA rep does believe what she's saying, it is her own beliefs and opinion. That's *why* she is an IEA rep and that's *why* she is chosen to speak for them.
If someone gets super offended and unleashes an indignant tirade in order to attack you and make themselves the victim simply because you called out their sincerity/credibility due to potential conflicts of interest, they are DEFINITELY shady and should not be trusted. If they go into attack mode the moment something uncomfortable, critical or inconvenient is brought up, they are definitely trying to silence you or hide something.
I love George, but I think he should have made clear that Ibrahim may well genuinely believe what she believes, but she gets the platform because what she believe benefits the rich, so she gets the financial backing and clout of an organisation like the IAE
Just a total coincidence that she's saying exactly the same things everyone else from the IEA says. Basic journalism is to check for people's influences and any conflict of interests. Maybe you do genuinely believe those things, but those things happen to be exactly what your employer pays people to say all the time
I hate these smug, young, arrogant right wing grifters popping up everywhere
I have NO IDEA how people like that end up existing, it totally baffles me.
@@ZachBobBobthey think they'll earn more money by behaving like this
daddy got her a internship and she's not the demographic of the funders, as to camouflage them
@@ElliotPorter65 It's depraved. They're wrecking the planet and dooming millions of lives for a quick buck.
@@ElliotPorter65 She almost certainly will.
George Monbiot isn't being offensive, he's just telling it how it is.
@tim If he switched from rant mode to persuasive mode a little more perhaps more people would listen to him.😊
That won't stop the fake outrage, that they love on those types of brain dead shows on the bbc and sky and the like.
I feel like we should just trust billionaires
@@troyworden9428 you need some training in sarcasm and how to correctly use this superpower you have found :D
@@Andrew-ti8hi ....George ends up having to 'rant' as you say, because that's the only way he can get his points across to them!
He's tried the 'softly softly persuasive' route, and it doesn't work with these people. They just switch off completely, or laugh in his face.
By ranting more, he shocks them into having to defend their position more rigorously. And quite often by doing this he wins, as they can't back their opinions up with hard evidence (like he can); so they then either run out of steam, or go into 'bat sh*t crazy' mode - making them look more extreme, ignorant, and Illogical.
This woman was never going to win, in an argument with George Monbiot. She doesn't have the evidence to, or the ability.
Huge respect to George Monbiot. He smashes it everytime👊
Gph He self destructs many of his points by vacuous hyperbole!
@@Andrew-ti8hi Which parts were vacuous hyperbole?
@@meredithhunter6419 the bit that Andrew added 😂
The BBC anchor starting 'don't dispute her motives' is one of the most eye opening parts of this clip...
Regardless of what you actually think of the IEA, what strikes me about that exchange is the tactics used by Reem to personally attack and undermine Monbiot: 'You're obsessed.'; 'This is a conspiracy theory.' It's pure strawman arguments and gaslighting. He was arguing for a very basic standard of transparency. The tone of the response is telling.
You could see he gave so little fks about her "offence" he wasn’t even listening to her. As it should be. There not people. They’re cyphers.
Attack is the new defence. See it from putin to trump 😂😂😂
Tbh though, the BBC are the guilty party for inviting these sponsored right wing drones on. I thought Monbiot responded perfectly reasonably. Possibly he should have asked why the BBC invite these paid trolls on but maybe that's all that's left of the far right these days.
@@T1tusCr0w they are cyphers; but also people- careful! My guess is that this shill psychologically requires the spotlight (and of course the money). We must find words that quickly expose them for the shills they are so their views (which are superficially appealing to many) are seen as motivated by money.
@@daveuk1324 Add Israel though not new.
The IEA represents the rich, its their job to make rich people richer and poor people poorer. That's about it.
The ultimate aim to install a right wing dictatorship they control so the wealthy feel safe.
It’s a criminal organisation dedicated to undermining British liberty and democracy. It’s leadership should be arrested for various offences ranging from fraud to treason and the entire organisation proscribed.
Isn't that the point of the Tories ? 😅😅😅
And pay zero tax when everyone else has too
It’s a criminal organisation dedicated to fraud and election manipulation. Should be proscribed and outlawed. It’s an OCG with a fancy name…nothing more.
Dark money took offence by being called-out as dark money.
They're all such snowflakes considering they represent brutal hyper capitalists
Unfortunately, it has racial overtones to some ways of thinking.
"Filthy Lucre" would be perfectly acceptable !
@@rogeredmunds5806 The remark does come with racial overtones which I was aware of when I made it. We have an interesting mechanism operating in discourse in our societies: expressions and words need to be avoided due to person that is being addressed. The consequences of not doing so can easily render your own words being weaponised against you. This style of countering in a debate is designed to silence or win the argument in a dishonest way.
@@Algolxxxxxx I wasn't criticising you, honestly. It's the kind of terminology that some of today's overly sensitive souls would have a hissy fit about.
That's all I meant. I do rather like the expression "filthy lucre", and it sums things up more aptly for me.
@@rogeredmunds5806 I wasn't criticising you personally. It was just a general observation of how some people operate in a debate arena and take advantage of language.
George Monbiot is NEVER offensive as he is telling the TRUTH and people don’t like the truth. Keep on keeping on George.
@elaine capitalizing the word truth doesn't make it truer...In fact the opposite!
@@Andrew-ti8hi
found another IEA representative. 👆
@@Andrew-ti8hiit makes it less true? Explain that for me 😂😂😂
Bullshit. He spent months smearing Jeremy Corbyn, and thereby did a lot to help Boris Johnson into Number 10. Monbiot is a serial liar and a self-serving hypocrite.
The real question is, WHY does the BBC regularly give the IEA a platform?
🤔
Left right balance .
Sadly at 67 years of age , I now feel that the BBC is a big part of the problem in this country.
Um let me think. Why does the BBC give the IEA a voice?
$$$$
Whether or not she believes what she says is irrelevant, she wouldn't have been in the studio if not on behalf of the IEA.
If our voters have lived in the U.K. for 15 years now and we’re not 1 year olds when that sentence started. It’s also irrelevant. Because they KNOW what this thinking has done to us.
This! I believe that she probably did believe what she is saying, sincerely and whole heartedly. The IEA didn't fund her to think what she says, it funded the apparatus to amplify it.
So? She's a proponent of capitalism arguing with a proponent of communism.
@@Geokinkladze She's also proponent of corruption.
@@OrlandoDibiskitt Yes, communists are never corrupt.
She wasn't offended, she was embarrassed - because she got called out.
George was spot on
It reminds me of the Chomsky interview with Andrew Marr. After Chomsky explained his views on the media, Marr said something similar to the girl speaking with George Monbiot, about how he isn't just being told what to say and think by his bosses. Chomsky was happy to agree, but pointed out that it's because he has been able to navigate certain institutional environments due to his conformity that Andrew Marr was able to occupy his position within the media. This girl has been swallowing ruling class ideology her whole life. That's why she works for the organisation she works for. And she's paid to keep swallowing it.
Sounds like a true professional...
Spot on, exactly the interview it reminded me of too.
The Chomsky/Marr interview sprang to my mind, too. I'm sure she genuinely believes the s**t she shovels (to some extent), and wouldn't be there, flying their flag and getting paid well for it, if that wasn't the case.
George was not falling for the touchy feely rant. Keep going George!
It was not offensive to ask her those questions, it was offensive that she did not answer them, or that she's let on at all just to do legal corporate lobbying
Just incredulously cackle and act above it, apparently
It’s American money, to be sure. She sounds like any Republican so-called libertarian you hear a hundred times a day talking about “less government”.
More likely Russian oligarch funds. Check out the book Kleptopia
@@cthulhstu not when it comes to this pure capitalism-simping nonsense. You can tell even her media training is American in origin, using all of the same catch phrases and terminology as any right wing American pundit or politician you’ve heard, the same faux outrage at fair questioning and criticism. This isn’t destabilizing in the ways Russia targets.
Its the same phrases, slogans and talking points. You can never engage in an actual conversation with most of them.
Are you saying democrats socialist party not capitalist imperialist party waging wars, famines all over the world .... And causing higher inflations, interest rates, food prices, and goods prices ...
Here they proudly announce it.. “Brought to you Fizzer.”
These dodgy think tanks have so saturated the media over the years and established themselves as the 'reasonable and accepted voices of economic wisdom', whereas George Monbiot is treated as some kind of extreme anti capitalist/growth at all costs 'nut job' for actually challenging them and their shady backers.
More George please!
Her laugh is so disingenuous. George tells it straight, whereas this IEA representative tries to gaslight her way out of the truth.
That was the nervous laugh of someone out of her depth!
hysterical
Deepest respect and gratitude that we have honest, caring wise people like George Monbiot
" Don't dispute her motives." What an ignorant response from the Politics Live host. Absolutely question the motives.
The IEA, as a dark-money, far-right pressure/lobby group, should not get to put a single representative on telly without the body they're representing being described this way.
They prefer "think tank"? I prefer "propaganda mill". Let's compromise with pressure group or lobby group.
The dark-money and far-right are accurate descriptions of their consistent organisational choices.
We need to rebrand them.
Just right not far right .
@@andrewtrip8617 hmm.
Their advice to Liz Truss cost the UK economy billions in a matter of weeks; the same advice they continue to peddle. That seems pretty "far" to me.
Honestly, I can't be certain, but the fact that we can't know who's funding them, nor what other causes they may be funding... they're hiding the truth of what they are, presumably for a reason. I'm not willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Put another way, they're on the outer right fringes of the Conservative Party. The Party has, in living memory, changed laws, changed talking points, and changed the makeup of the party in response to pressure groups like this one. They've moved the Overton window considerably further right than it was.
Do you have any evidence for your claim? Or are you suggesting the more secretive a group is, the more we should assume their reasonableness?
Reem likely does believe what she says she just wouldn't be paid by the IEA if she didn't
So true, same with most journalists
Exactly. Like Noam Chomsky once said to Andrew Marr, it's not that you're censoring yourself or saying things you don't believe. It's that if you believed something else you wouldn't be in the position you're in.
It’s not hard to convince people to say things they don’t believe if you offer them enough money.
I would even say it doesnt matter what she believes.
Nobody exists to pay us to hold onto our opinions, and yet we hold onto them as our own, regardless of how much we're insulted and cajoled to do otherwise. If there wasn't anyone to pay them to tout out these opinions, would they even have any? In the late feudal period, Lackeys literally knelt down to function as mobile footstools.
When it comes to transparency over sources of funding, it's surely best to take the position of "guilty until proven innocent". If you can't, or are unwilling to, reveal your sources, we HAVE TO assume they're sinister and dangerous.
You wouldn't take a drink given to you by a stranger and drink it without knowing what's in it. So why are we letting the IEA assume a prominent role in public life without knowing their motives?
George's dedication to what is morally right is so impressive.
In a true democracy, very rich and very powerful lobby groups like the IEA, would not be permitted to exert or have any influence, in any way whatsoever.
Would that not be anti democratic in itself though?🤔
@@lordsummerisle852 no of course not. Allowing small powerful groups to exert direct influence over government cannot ever be democratic. Democracy is not just about the ballot box. It's also about policy driven by the majority.
@@arkadybron1994 yep. So how did we allow big pharma to control the narrative in the media and dictate policy across the world?
A pretty insignificant think tank gets called out but not big pharma?
@@arkadybron1994 my reply got deleted.
So much for free speech.
Look how much power and influence big pharma have.
Why is that not being called out?
Twas ever thus. Self-serving bullies.
It will truly be a bad day when the truth, is meant to feel guilty . Great reaction , Michael 👍
Well said George
I forgot about Liz Truss and her budget. That was a real big clanger that she dropped. You are meant to give the money from the poor to the rich in a secretive and complicated way but she tried to do it in plain view.
The Real question is why are "think tanks" unregistered, unregulated and unaccountable
Growth for whom? We have had growth in the economy but the general public , workers got poor while mega corporations become richest and richer.
Exactly.
On paper, England is rich, but really, it's poor (for a highly developed country)....it just has a minority of super rich people into which the majority of money is concentrated.
George Monbiot gives me hope
The important part is also that she is on the show, not because of her personal opinion but because of the organisation IEA itself
I guess she hasn't been paying attention to how well that libertarian thing has been working out for the world.
It's only libertarian for big business, not for the general public, these groups are disgusting.
@@H0n3yMonstah It's generally how libertarianism works.
@@jonathanbailey1597 right wing libertarianism, which isn't the only possible version.
What’s offensive is that your not honest enough to tell us on who’s behalf your speaking!
This should be done before anyone gives their opinion!
Her fake offence makes it obvious!!
That woman should try being even more exasperated and hysterically offended. Maybe George would have taken her more seriously.
If it isn't clear how they are funded, they shouldn't be allowed on the BBC
The idea that she'd have job on Monday if she had an opinion that was fractionally removed from the one she gives is laughable.
Good ole George🌟
Her fake outrage is absolutely pathetic. Another Tory line to take
They tried to make it about her personally- NO that’s distracting from his point. He was clearly stating he had issues with what institution she represents and the money and powers that feeds them. Extremely valid and glaringly obvious. I’m tired of centrists clutching at their pearls. The public is smarter than these games.
I’m not sure the public is smarter than you suggest, else why would we have endured the last several years.
One of their cronies was on BBC Question Time a couple of years ago. She wouldn't disclose their funding then either.
I love George Monbiot. He very rarely lets his emotions get the better of him. He just succinctly, ruthlessly lays the facts out and that's hard to counter.
My man Mr Monbiot… Legend
He was right to call her out, as it’s relevant to the discussion.
What countries have been 'decimated by socialism' exactly?
Capitalist no government Somalia is smashing it!
She has Moroccan/Egyptian heritage, I think she means Egypt... naturally IEA never wants to talk about the massive, world-leading success of Nordic socialist policies...
@@Patrick-jj5nh "b-but that's not socialism" they will say, ignoring the fact that 33% of a businesses' leadership board must be elected workers, they have sky-high unionisation rates, Ghent systems, a massive social wealth fund in Norway, the Norwegian state owning 30% of the domestic stock market, 20% of Norwegians live in democratically owned housing... they sure as hell have more socialised/democratic ownership over there, which is literally what socialism is if one looks up the definition.
@@Patrick-jj5nhor Libya for that matter
more like decimated by radical free-market liberalization aka "shock therapy"
Brilliant journalism as usual. Really good.
Monbiot is an OG, he did a podcast recently with Rachel Donald, Which was very good
The problem is we have a crisis where there seems to be a push to create economic growth at any cost, rather than improving the quality of the current living standards of the everyday persons
Infrastucture investment is the bedrock of real growth, not printing money for financial institutions to skim off and to line the pockets of oligarchs and their lackeys politicians on the take.
@@brettblyth1857 which they’re not doing in anyway shape or form, the governance isn’t even a capitalists utopia, it’s not a socialists utopia…
It’s a half baked no mans land economy, that neither grows nor declines
At a more basic level - being within a mile of that lady’s verbal blizzard requires levels of tolerance to pain unavailable to mere mortals.
Whenever a fellow guest raises the issue of the IEA's funding, their representative always becomes defensive.
Alyn Smith SNP also challenged someone from IEA on question time and had the same answers.
Listening to her reaction to Monbiot, I was reminded of Chomsky's reply to Andrew Marr when Marr asked Chomsky if he was saying Marr was biased. Chomsky replied, "No, I'm saying you wouldn't be working for the BBC if you thought in any other way."
The woman monbiot was questioning is very immature. To get offended because someone challenges your world view is a clear sign that you’re not grown up enough to have an adult conversation
I'm amazed that anything that had a hand in the trussonomics incident still has any clout at all...
What was she even thinking trying to go up this man. Silly woman.
I think it's because their office is close to several tv studios as Michael points out. However, after the Truss debacle you'd think they'd go into hiding.
@@geoffpoole483 They have no shame plus I guarantee you they still think Truss' policies were the correct ones, they just didn't sell them to the public well enough.
Claiming that an opponent’s argument is “offensive” is intended simply to silence that opponent, when no other reasoned argument is possible.
It’s the equivalent of shouting: “anti semitism” to stop criticism of genocide in Gaza.
She’s not offended. The only thing even close to a human emotion that those empty corporate ghouls experience is avarice.
Well done George as usual . Big business wants , less regulation, cheap labour , less government, less civil service, less public medicine, less social housing. They just want total control . This grinning, laughingstock woman was an embarrassment simply by her response to George . Hit the nail on the head a 'tick tock' created entity. She may believe what she says ....yes she is paid to believe.
Monbiot is so versed in this type of argument. He is ferocious and always errs on the side of a political picture that has integrity and transparency. Props to him.
She constantly interrupted him because she wants to stop the truth.
About time this point was made✊✔️
I love when she’s going on about how George thinks some very over the top exaggerated version of what he said and he just nods his head
So we should let businesses govern themselves? No. Because they will more often choose profit over social responsibility. Which is why we need a government
These people have all been media-trained to respond in the same way.
They are on the programme because they are from the IEA. When anyone challenges the funding, they claim that they are speaking on their own behalf.
But that is a diversion that they've been taught. It doesn't matter what their personal opinion, they are there because they are from a think-tank. So their authenticity is not being challenged, it's their funding that IS being challenged.
Calling oneself an 'institute' when you are a 'marketing suite'. Yep. Kinda figures...
WHO's FUNDING YOU. Thanks George.
Imagine a child thinking she could best George, she looks all of twelve, and will not have any clear thinking having been brainwashed. Her arrogance is amazing, she should feel offended, she's spouting much offensive tosh. Brilliant George as always 🤣
It's about time someone said it.
In Stephen Fry's words: "It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so fucking what."
On the contrary, the implication that information distribution is being influenced by corporations whose values are vastly out of whack with that of what would be good for most common individuals/families/social groups, or the environment or anything else than the corporations' interests - that is a real problem that can have serious negative outcomes. For one thing it undermines our democratic process which cannot function properly if the information voters are receiving is too skewed. That's people with money trying to bamboozle the public into supporting things against their best interests.
I know this may all be obvious but the scale of difference in importance between the two claims in the interview can hardly be overstated.
Here in the States they proudly announce it.. “Brought to you Fizzer.”
*Pfizer
just ask yourself: what is more likely, a scientist with decades of research & papers in climate science under his belt being wrong or, some random person on the internet with no experience, portfolio, history, background being wrong?
the fundamentals of fact checking and looking at sources includes asking yourself why the author of a source would write/say what they did. and if the iea wants the people to be better off the people should be deciding what happens, not businesses, and not governments that don't represent the people they lord over.
It's growth for a tiny nimber of people.
She said that she came from places that had "suffered under socialism" (I'm paraphrasing.) What is her and her family's background? I can find very little objective information about her.
George Monbiot , good as he is at cutting through the nonsense, has acknowledged for years the need for tackling the growth model and the challenges of degrowth. We Have two major parties in Westminster and a significant SNP minority that do not acknowledge the growth problem with no means of tackling it.
It is telling we have no others, no institution, no government body looking at regrowth and how it can be implemented without tanking the economy. It is clear wage and wealth inequality need tackling and we need greater investment in 'public wealth' at the expense of 'private wealth'.
Continued growth during a climate and ecological emergency and continuing inequality is disastrous.
The IEA person rambles on about having lived 'in countries decimated by socialism' when she lives on a planet that will be destroyed by neoliberalism, libertarian, military industrial growth model that washes it's hands of externalities.
Where are our institutions holding the free market paradigm to account? Where are those looking at alternative models?
This is much bigger than a single journalist raising awareness and highlights our lack of preparedness and any serious strategic considerations by all parties to tackle the crises in economic models to tackle the climate and ecological emergency.
2nd para *...looking at degrowth.
Gosh 'degrowth' doesn't even exist in the auto correct dictionary.
Spot on. This idea that growth is good in and of itself, and that it's the only way for a country to thrive. Even the language we use - we don't talk about countries or communities, we talk only about "economies". I greatly value George's contribution to this discussion, which desperately needs to see the light of day in a more amplified public debate!
Whose growth? At whose expense?
Regards from a Tom :)
Big boobed, fast talking, young, pretty girls hired to distract is an increasingly ineffective strategy
Nothing worse than a child pretending to be wise.
When the truth is offensive we’re in the shitter.
Going along with seductive lies is far less daunting than facing the truth. It doesn't work out well though.
Regards from a Tom :)
Excellent!
Only just realised the list of chathm house members. Frightening
Could you please reference the episode of politics live that this exchange took place? Id like to watch the full programme.
So much terrific knowledge here before this I only knew about sheeps and grapes. thank you so much! 🙃 ....🤦🙄
George is smashing it ....
That's right. Big Oil vs The World is on iPlayer and should be watched exactly for this reason. Evidence of a series of concerted misinformation campaigns funded by corporations on the effects of the petrochemical industry with tangible (negative) effects on policy.
Oh she believes the things that she's saying, that's what makes her dangerous
I believe in these things ...thou dost protest to much !
Prove George wrong dear
Think Tanks is never a good thing !!!! Ban them just lobbying !!!!!!!!!
She was completely rattled! Well done George.
Whoever you vote for in the UK, USA, Canada you'll get a form of conservative government no matter what they call themselves.
She believes everything she's saying. If she didn't she wouldn't make those points or if she had different views, the IEA wouldn't have championed her.
She's the unwitting mouthpiece for the IEA.
The IEA rep does believe what she's saying, it is her own beliefs and opinion. That's *why* she is an IEA rep and that's *why* she is chosen to speak for them.
If you have nothing to hide, then reveal your funders.
Its quite simple.
If someone gets super offended and unleashes an indignant tirade in order to attack you and make themselves the victim simply because you called out their sincerity/credibility due to potential conflicts of interest, they are DEFINITELY shady and should not be trusted. If they go into attack mode the moment something uncomfortable, critical or inconvenient is brought up, they are definitely trying to silence you or hide something.
Noam Chomsky explained this - she wouldn't be part of the IEA if she didn't have those views. That she and they can promote them is disgusting.
'we all want the world to be better for everyone'... Thats not true. Thats why we have such wealth inequality
The IEA is a "registered educational and research charity"-yes CHARITY.
Well said Dalia.
I love George, but I think he should have made clear that Ibrahim may well genuinely believe what she believes, but she gets the platform because what she believe benefits the rich, so she gets the financial backing and clout of an organisation like the IAE
Great and relevant segment.
He asked for the IEA to be transparent about its’ funding, not an unreasonable request, so she distracts by claiming she’s offended.
Gotta luv Monbiot.
Just a total coincidence that she's saying exactly the same things everyone else from the IEA says. Basic journalism is to check for people's influences and any conflict of interests. Maybe you do genuinely believe those things, but those things happen to be exactly what your employer pays people to say all the time
Go George ❤❤❤