Beta enduro review: is Beta losing its shine?︱Cross Training Enduro
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- www.crosstraini... Beta main bearing failures are now a small but significant issue. See this vid: • Beta's response to mai... A compact review of where Beta is heading lately. When I talk about known issues on any bike, there are always guys who freak out and say that bike sounds like a pile of shit, no way I'm buying that! Well, don't watch the Beta enduro review known issues and common problems vid if you are a panic merchant. You can make a comprehensive list of small issues with any brand like Beta. Like any brand, the Italian bikes have their niggling little faults and I covered these way back in 2015 in a Beta review. The good news? They have fixed quite a few. The bad news? There are a few things they keep ignoring... and some new issues with our bike reviews on the Beta Xtrainer, RR300 and RR390.
Let's start with the good news for Beta. The mudflap for the rear shock used to slowly wear away the swingarm, now it's reshaped to avoid this. If you have an earlier model just trim it to suit. There were occasional false neutrals between some gears, a new gear selector on 2018 models has fixed this. Beta plastics were very prone to cracking instead of bending in even small accidents or just leaning your fenders against a tree. It's early days, but our experience with the 2018 models suggests they finally got around to using the nice flexible materials everyone else uses. After several years of riders saying Beta enduro seats feel like slabs of concrete, the 2018 models finally have a softer foam.... good news if you do like to sit a lot on bikes like the Beta 2018 RR300 or RR250.
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One area we felt Beta let themselves down with Beta known issues and common problems was the heavy clutch. It wasn't bad compared to say cable clutches, but by European standards it wasn't good. The 2018 model is a big improvement. We've done a vid on clutch mods if you have an earlier model.
Okay. So are the Beta 2018 known issues and common problems? This includes the RR350, RR390, RR430 and RR480 and two stroke models too. Europeans could still learn a lot from the Japanese about good electrics. It's a good idea to remove your headlight and fuel tank then use a pile of zip ties to get your wiring loom neat and not rubbing on anything. There is a critical electrical connection which is easily corroded and can shut down the oil injection system. Apparently it's been fixed for 2018, but some 2017 and all earlier models had the capacitor and diode block mounted upside down allowing water to enter heat shrink. The wires going into the magneto can be snagged by sticks when riding. On 2018 models these are secured better but still it can still happen.
Also the positive wire from starter to the solenoid runs over the frame backbone above the rear shock. Reroute under the backbone to avoid the tank rubbing the wire... some dealers fix this in pre-delivery. More 2018 Beta known issues and common problems? The four stroke model RR350, RR390, RR430 and RR480 still use plastic cogs for the oil pump. These need to be replaced every 100 hours but most riders agree it would just be easier to make these steel. You can buy aftermarket steel cogs from Boano in Italy.
The standard coolant has too much glyco-*
The two stroke oil injection system works great for most riders, however there's a small but noticeable number of issues with bikes running too rich and fouling plugs. This is because the system defaults to something around 20:1 to avoid any engine seizures but of course it can foul plugs. Apparently the majority of cases are debris left in the system at the factory and a bit of carb cleaner will fix it. But if you can get some compressed air through it will be even better. Remember to always top up your oil. If your system stuffs up and defaults to the very rich mix it could be possible to drain your oil tank on a long ride if it wasn't full. Some riders are simply removing the system with parts from Beta that cost around $70. Debris sometimes gets caught internally in the two ball valves of the internal solenoid during manufacturing, resulting in over oiling.
A small but persistent Beta known issue and common problem is that pointy-ended sidestand that just sinks into soft ground. The crazy thing is the 2012 sidestand base was double the size and worked great. Why did Beta go back to the chopstick design. Who knows.
#crosstrainingenduro #enduro #tractionerag #beta #betaproblems
UPDATE: MAIN BEARING FAILURES 2018, 2019 2020 2021 BETA TWO STROKES
Unfortunately there been main bearing failures in late model Beta two strokes. Beta head office have never been clear about the exact cause. After being pressured, they said it was an 'assembly problem'. Months later they changed their story to it being a 'supplier problem' and they were given incorrect bearings. I've checked again and according to a distributor it's back to being 'an assembly problem' as they were heating the engine cases incorrectly, causing them to warp. This would explain why some riders are having two or even three bearings fail in a row. Get your engine case checked and replaced if needed! Beta has advised a 5% failure rate initially, later Beta USA said as high as 10%. The rate did drop in 2020 models. Thankfully we've only had a very small number of 2021 cases reported.
how about oil injection? does it work in long term? why most are deleting the system?
Still cruising around on my XR400 2000, still having fun.
I know someone who absolutely destroys on one of those
I have purchased 3 Beta 300s since 2015, a Race Ed, a Standard, and a Xtrainer. I still own all 3.
They all had too tight of drive chains, loose battery terminals, and various fasteners that were loose. After I went over everything and tightened things up and loosened the drive chains, these bike have been fantastic.
great to hear, carl. i know it happens in other factories too, but they really need to get their guys focused on doing the correct torque figures on all those bolts. it's easily fixed, but just plain sloppy work.
Not trying to be argumentative, but aren't those issues related to assembly at the shop you're buying it from? Chains and batteries don't come out of the crate ready to ride.
an interesting point, jeff. all the dealers normally do is cut some zip ties, put the battery in and that's about it. but the good dealers do go over the bike and check for the common things the factory can miss.
@@crosstrainingenduro My dealer is a very good personal friend. But very young and needed to be educated on things to check and adjust before his customers take delivery of their new Beta.
Since I have turned wrenches on motorcycles part time since 1965, I was able to give him some wisdom.
@@819jt A good PDI is a wonderful thing. I agree, as a sales rep for an equipment company and the biggest issues my dealers face is themselves. My successful dealers cover their butts with a good initial PDI, the unit goes out and runs well and if there are manufacturing defects they are handled accordingly. The less successful dealers immediately throw the supplier under the bus when a PDI is poor or non existent after charging the customer for it on his bill of sale. This is what I call shooting holes in the bottom of the boat you are sitting in.
I bought my Xtrainer almost entirely based on your videos and the fact that my local dealer actually allowed me to test ride the bike (KTM dealer just laughed at that idea). The Beta dlr actually told me to watch your videos after I bought the bike...told them I already had! 😁😁
The UA-cam induced foliage pixalation gave it a nice Predator look. I was expecting Arnie to pop up at any moment!
GET TO THE CHOPPPAAAAA!
damn you, youtube lol. it's anyone's guess as to when they'll overcompress the video files or not. sigh....
Happy to report my 2019 500 RR-S is perfect. Went through it anyway after seeing your common known issues video, and it appears they watched that video too :D It hasn't needed a single adjustment yet. But we will see what the future holds.
Also my Beta mechanic here in California says he hasn't seen any issues on quality control from the MY2019s. I'm hoping this is the case all over
@@crosstrainingenduro IMO shouldnt all of this been checked during PDI? Arent the dealers supposed to uncrate, assemble, and test the bikes before delivery? I agree that the factory should be doing a better job- but shouldn't the dealer be checking these things as well? Thanks!
some dealers do jeff, some don't. i won't necessarily say dealers are being slack if they don't, the profit margin is pretty slim on dirt bikes as it is and i'd tend to put the responsibility back more on the factory....
Your dealer isn't going to disassemble the bike and put it back together again without an extremely hefty charge. They uncrate, put the bars on and full with fluids, that's pretty much it. And that's all they SHOULD need to do. It takes virtually no extra work for the factory to put a bike together properly than to do it sloppily.
Maybe gasgas common issues haven’t been revealed because their are not as many out there.
The honest reviews are appreciated. It definitely influenced my decision to buy a 17’ 300rr. Been a great bike so far.
they do seem pretty good so far and i didn't have much to report on in the gas gas known issues vid. more things will crop up with over time of course. the mechanic i spoke with said gas gas is still relatively new here so you only get a complete picture of known issues after years of working on the bikes.
The left side of the expansion chamber of my 2011 300 ec would bend in towards the bike a bit after the first stack.. after that you can stack it as many times you want.. never leak emissions or change performance. Vibrations was more than ktm.. probly the only cons I had with the bike.. but U can relay on that front end on any given situation more than my old ktms (2000-2006 exc and SX 2 stroke)
Starter acted up as well
I’ve put about 20 hours on my ‘18 XC300 since buying it new. I haven’t had a single mechanical issue with it. No loose bolts/bad connections etc. very good fit and finish. The Torrot buyout has done a lot for QC when looking at older GG bikes. Only complaints I have is that it’s a bit taller than most competitive bikes with me being only 5’9” and the stock battery can’t quite get the engine running when it’s hot and in gear when the clutch is pulled in. However, most of my riding on it has been done in below freezing temps, so that may change when spring comes around for us. Also, swap out the factory trans fill/drain plugs for hex bolts. The stock Allen key bolts are very soft aluminu and have a penchant for rounding off if you aren’t careful tightening.
As someone who was previously a mechanic who worked on both Italian and English cars, absolutely love the wiring diagram - far more accurate than the factory ones, if you can even get to the disused lavatory with the sign on the door that says beware of the leopard....
Interesting that I've been hearing from a few different directions that Beta have slipped rather a lot, a mate has a few friends who do Romaniacs among other things, and they dumped the Betas for reasons of reliability and parts availability/pricing (eventually, they apparently struggled to even find buyers for them). A little disappointing too, as I had some interest in converting over to a 250RR if something serious happened to my Kato.
That said, another of his mates bought a TPI, and doesn't even want to sit on it anymore - he reckons any time he gets into the real hard technical stuff the thing overheats and craps out in various ways. Made my mate very happy with his choice to stick with carby on his 2018 300EXC, which he hasn't had any trouble with, despite smashing it around at Wildwood among other places...
Always luck of the draw, but in Australia at least, for me maintaining my own bikes, Gas Gas and apparently now Beta are most let down by parts availability. Failures are always compounded in magnitude in peoples minds if they're having to wait to weeks for parts... Whereas KTM you can jump on almost any dealers website, click through the parts diagrams, find the part you need, how many they've got (if none, whether there's any in stock in Australia), and how much it is - and then get it sent to your door in a couple of days.
Some stuff is stupidly priced, but a lot of it is very competitive with aftermarket in my experience - indeed, KTM Powerparts can sometimes be cheaper for the exact same item. From memory last time I bought a rear sprocket the KTM Powerpart branded Supersprox Stealth was actually notably cheaper than buying the Supersprox stealth from MXstore or anywhere else. That's changed a little now, as they now have their own exclusive version made for Powerparts, still by Supersprox (2k) and same construction, but slightly different design - and it's slightly cheaper than the Stealth.
And if that fails you, the sheer volume of KTMs sold mean there is aftermarket alternatives for pretty much everything, sitting on the shelf at most good retailers....
18 GasGas ec300 has been an awesome bike for me. Been 100% happy with it...Owned for almost a year with no issues. Only problem was factory jetting was really rich. Installed a Lectron carb out of curiosity even though I had got jetting dialed in.
My brother bought a 18 Beta 300rr at the same time, and every time he has ridden my gas gas he gets off saying he’d love to convert his forks too KYB suspension...
KYB = like butter!
How is the lectron doing? Intrested about buying one.
Kaisuhina So far it has been plug, and play. I haven’t adjusted anything at all. Lectrons customer service was top notch.
Kenneth Durham nice. How does it effect power?
Kaisuhina
Sorry for the slow reply....
It’s a very linear power. Didn’t give the bike more power, but it also didn’t get any weaker. Hard to explain in writing... lol. Me, and my brother feel it’s made sketchy rough terrain a little easier to navigate now that the power delivery is really linear.
Big plus is extreme elevation, and temperature changes do not effect power at all. I’m overly picky about jetting being spot on though.
Purchased an '18 xtrainer for $7500 in Tennessee, based on it's features and Barry's thorough reviews.
Excellent bike. Only issue is recently the check engine light came on. Oil tank is full.
Will follow up on the trouble shooting/diagnostic and Beta tech support suggestions when I get free time.
I have a 2018 that came with a bad ecu that had to be replaced...this had the check engine lit until I replaced it. It was using a lot of oil and smoking a lot and fouling plugs until we swapped the ECU. Then the light came back on a couple of months later. The culprit was a broken wire to the oil pump. I probably damaged it trying to fit the air filter so watch out for that too.
Out of all European bikes I like Sherco the most. They feel like qualitative machines built for competition. But never really dared to buy one because of their non-existant dealer network and unclear prices. As a result, I ride only Japanese.
sadly your right.. still waiting for that light/low Japanese bike to be made. when that happens I'm throwing away my xtrainer!
The pricing is very close in eastern Canada on all brands, a yz250x is only 8,299
Beta 300rr 10,399 race edition 11,199
Beta 300 xtrainer 9,399
Ktm 300xc 10,899
Ktm 300xcw tpi 11,099
Husky tx300 10,899
Husky tx300i 11,199
Gas gas ranger 300 9,399
Gas gas ec300 10,899
Sherco 300 11,399
Video is on point and I PRAY someone from Beta quality control watches it. My 2015 300RR had various fasteners loose, stripped radiator mounting bolts and very little poor quality grease in the bearings. Easily fixed, but still... excellent parts put together badly. It seems as though they have kids doing final assembly. My new leftover 2018 500 RR-S seems exactly the same, poor assembly. Love my two Betas but c'mon, let's pay an expert to do this CORRECTLY from the factory.
maybe they are watching soccer matches in the factory? or too much grappa at lunch? 😆
I bought my 2017 Beta300rr partly due to your reviews and couldn’t be happier. Thanks Berry👍
Nice. I can only speak for the Netherlands as a Prince which I think I am and no one else does but in this country Beta's are also a fair bit cheaper in the range of a 1000 euro's or slightly more. And I'm a biased blue ktm 701 owner. Anyway, good that you are able to keep your independence in opinion. You are the last of a breed...
dank u wel meneer koningje voor dat uitstekend informatsie... and that's about the limit of my mangled nederlands lol.
CROSS TRAINING ENDURO SKILLS hahaha goed gesproken held
Good informative vid Barry. I'll be honest, your praises of the Beta lead me to purchase a 2018 390RRs. Sure, some nuts and bolts fell off after a couple of hours, the thermostat malfunctioned and caused a coolant volcano that almost melted my boot, the horn ( which is stupid anyway) fried and died, and oil drips out of the bottom of the case at a rate of 3-6 drops a week. Oh well, 1st world problems. It's an Italian bike that for the most part runs like a champ! I can't tell you how much that bike, combined with your dodgy vids, have improved my riding skills. Beta has fixed all the issues that have popped up without any hesitation. Tomorrow they are putting a replacement motor (slightly used) in to resolve the oil leak. Apparently there are a few dozen bad 390RRs engines floating around out there on their own personal oil slick caused by a hiccup in the machining of the side cases. Would I buy a Beta again? Yes I would. Sometimes the company behind the machine is as important as the machine between your legs.
Awesome. Here in the USA eascoast. Picked up left over 2018 xtrainer 6900$. Only 1 dealer in my state that I know of carry’s BETAS. 40 miles away from me. Was a steal for me compare to Ktm and huskies. 21 miles on it and I can’t wipe the smile off my face. At work I put on xtrainer trail ride videos on yt just to hear the engine. 🤤🤤🤤. Thanks for the input and sharing your experience Barry. 👍🏽🤙🏽
glad you like it, mine has been great for our sort of riding!
My 2018 300 has had some issues, BM. To the point where I spent the smaller part of an afternoon checking it head to toe and tightening (sometimes siliconing threads to combat vibration) bolts and nuts. Doing the once over on your earlier vid last year made all the difference. Success breeds complacency for all makes. Cheers mate!
apart from the racing edition suspension (hopefully fixed for 2019) i reckon it is all small prevention maintenance stuff. 😊
Nice to hear honest thoughts Barry. I hear the local distribution change for the brand has also left a sour taste in many local dealer's mouths, in particular, their choice to air freight parts on order rather than stock them here in a warehouse. Very unfortunate indeed. Hopefully things will improve on both fronts and the Betas will continue to sell well. I'm told they are quite big in the US, much more so than here in Aus.
I have a Sherco, and do videos on those, as well as our rides. I try to give out similar honest info with those as well. There have been a couple of faults, nothing as nasty as needing new forks thankfully, but I list them as I'm aware of them.
There was an issue with the 2t bendix gear, but a fix was applied and the replacement part is often given to the customer free of charge outside of warranty.
Ive just renewed my 300 4t, my previous one was going great at 120hrs. I did have a failed $27 coolant sensor and a broken shifter centring spring, both of which were in stock in Australia when I needed them.
In summary, it's not so much the issues people have, it's how they are resolved and whether the parts are available at the time.
good to hear you are sending out practical info about the shercos, dangermouse. i have heard of those issues but didn't know enough to comment on them publicly. vive la france!
@@crosstrainingenduro
We should have a French / Italian get together one day down in your favourite location I feel. 👍
I have ordered 3 or 4 times from the new importer and they arrive next day every time, previously it could be up to 5 days. Some of it has to do with my location, but I am definitely pleased with how fast my parts arrive. Gary was a pleasure to deal with though, and the dealer I purchased from had the same opinion. My dealings over the phone with the new guys has been positive as well..
@@riderdiver1 That's good to hear. Certainly a different story from the local ex dealer on my last visit. 👍
@@Danger_mouse My dealer did have some problems getting bikes in his shop due to their popularity in Aus at the time, and he could not get a demo at all.. but this was his only grief with Gary as an importer.
I got the feeling my local dealer wasn't as happy with the new guys, he spoke highly of Gary - but is no longer a Beta dealer. I don't know the details though
When I was researching bikes (before I bought my Husqvarna) I looked at Beta's. The only guy I knew locally that bought a Beta had the throttle stick wide open (permanently) when he was out in the mountains. It happened with under 20 hours on the bike. The dealer took it back and gave him a new bike, but they never did find out what was causing the issue. An electronic demon somewhere. After researching more, I decided to go with the Husqvarna TE250 because its simple, tough, performance (along with a lot of little things that I would prefer to have, like a kickstarter and electric start.)
That's how I choose girlfriends. I wait for everyone else to give it a go, then listen to the gossip at the old watering hole. You know, who's going to let you down, how badly you'll be left stranded. Who's the most fun to ride, who requires the least maintenance, and has the least miles. Then I make my decision, and get a new ride
LOL
But the good ones never go back to market 😉
Great info. Thanks for keeping it real. The word is KTM has some issues with the tpi engines here in the states . Gas gas and sherco are now on kyb boingers , so Beta had better be tightening up its ship.
i can't speak from personal experience but they certainly had some TPI issues initially. hopefully they are sorted out now though....
I had a 1996 gasgas enduro bike... (Australia)
They have been out for a while 😜 (it was a 250 2 stroke with a balancer shaft)
Love your videos mate 👍
I was going to get a Beta cross trainer but I decided to go with a TM 300en instead. I wanted a more unique and less common bike but recently I've been seeing more and more Beta's and see at least 1-2 every time I go riding. TM redesigned the motor for 2019 and finally added an electric starter and so far the bike has been absolutely amazing.
Where I live its kind of fun to see Betas, Gss Gas, because there are so few around. Mostly a sea of orange. I have owned 5 orange bikes but found out they are no better than the other euro mounts.
Good honest video Barry,
I bought my 16 300 race edition after alot or research, checking the bank account and the info I had picked up from your early videos on the Betas. Upon getting my bike home and going through a thorough check ( which I feel is mandatory on any bike purchase) I found the swingarm bolt was missing it's nut. An email on a Friday night to Beta USA got a reply by one of the head dudes Saturday morning, phone call I might add.
They were very apologetic and rushed the missing nut to me.
Beyond that I've had no issues with my bike and have never felt I made a bad purchase.
From a quality perspective, I do feel Beta should step up their game if they hope to stay in the game.
@@ExpatriotSilencers
It was missing the nut that goes on the swingarm bolt, I suppose the dealer didn't want to remove the frame guards which cover the bolt/nut location in the frame.
Still no excuse for either the dealers or manufacturer. Out of habit I don't ride a new or used bike I've purchased until I've taken the time to give the bike a thorough check.
damn phillip, that ain't good! there are missing bits occasionally but it's usually non-essential stuff like the mudflap for the rear shock missing... a swingarm nut is crazy! with luck that is just a one-off incident and glad it didn't cause you any grief.
Thank you for remaining objective vs blindly brand loyal. Much appreciated
Currently own a 13 beta 520rr..it has me ..HOOKED ON BETAs. Now to get a 2 stroke woods bike..= bliss
Cannot comment on current model GasGas, but having owned 4 in the past, I can say they are extremely durable, but they had lots of quirks and were a total pain to work on. Awesome bikes though and amazing in the woods!
apparently the new models are completely different ball game according to the gas gas mechanic i chatted with. he said the old models were reliable but heavy and underpowered....
CROSS TRAINING ENDURO SKILLS I owned a 2011 gasgas 300, six days edition. Your spot on, it was heavy, didn’t have as much grunt as my Beta 300. The gasgas never felt that well balanced, and I never had confidence in the way it handled.
I would definitely agree with being a total pain to work on if we're talking 2011 vintage! Mate has an EC250 in that year, and compared to working on my 2011 250exc, they're just incredibly frustrating and illogically designed. Adjusting the power valve requires removing the entire side casing, and bending a crappy sloppy spring trying to maintain clearance to an awkwardly shaped hole in the casing- wtf? Ktm takes 3 small bolts to remove the small alloy cover, and then there is a jam nut on the ball jointed linkage that allows you to adjust it precisely and in seconds.
And when I looked at doing either linkage or swingarm bearings (can't remember which was the issue now), as far as I could tell I needed to remove the engine to get the bloody thing out? Where I had the entire KTM swingarm lying on the ground in a lazy 20 minutes.
That Gas Gas is a nice enough bike to ride, stable front end, low seat height, good broad power (although this one appears to have an oval bored carby, corrected squish and an intake manifold built up with epoxy, someone has spent some time on this thing at some point I think, so maybe not always the case), and the 'rain mode' switch has quite a noticeable effect. Perfect for my mate who had no real riding experience, (especially as it was fairly sluggish when we got it compared to what it ended up when I fixed a few issues and changed the sprockets over). The seat is an awesome shape for motocross style sit down cornering, you just naturally fall into the front of it. The gear ratio spacing annoys me though vs my Kato though, and I tend to prefer the lively front end of the Kato, just feels more agile and maneuverable - maybe I'm just a sucker for machines that try to kill me. I can certainly understand why someone would prefer the gasser.
Certainly would hope they've taken some lessons from KTM with respect to making them easier to pull apart in the newer models though, that and fit/finish of parts are where the KTM kills it (stuff like as-cast hubs on the Gasser vs machined hubs on the KTM, and a very agricultural looking swingarm come to mind. Functional, but unrefined)
NECJ needle will solve a few issues on carburation. Not that stock is awfull but this runs smoother on heavy load. Best tuning price effect ratio. Suzuki has this as a OEM sparepart.
Sadly im stuck with a CRF250L in thailand but at least when i buy spares i can do it with the spare change i chuck in the vans cup holders. I modified my TLM last week by fitting CRF footpegs on it, they were £2.50 per side....peg, spring, pin and split pins!
Beta is quite a bit cheaper in Estonia:
Beta 350 8290 EUR
beta 350 racing 8590 EUR
KTM EXC-F 10350 EUR
Husqvarna FE 350 10550 EUR
Yamaha WR250F 9635 EUR
SHERCO 300 SEF-R 9750 EUR
There was a similar price difference on Betas here in Australia for years but they are getting close to the other brands now....
I hope you do ride a gas gas next. I've got two 300s and I adore them. Currently my main squeeze is orange though sadly..
I have two '17 Beta Racing editions. A 430 with 77 hours.....bike has been perfect. I did find a loose clamp on the thermostat hose, that is the only issue. The other is a 300. It only has 30 hours, but perfect so far. My buddy had a 390 RR-S...he had a few loose bolts, fork clamps. But otherwise trouble free through 80 hours whe he sold to get a new Gas Gas. He loves the KYB forks....but that Gas Gas will hardly ever start once warmed up. Dealer has been helpful, but not there yet. Try running an enduro and bike won't start right at a single file spot. And, I have had lots of KTMs. Have had a lot of fun, but always had to fix something. Confuscios say: You want best dirt bike - be ready to work on it
great to see you had no fork issues eddie, it seems they did get the anodizing right on some at least. i don't like the look of the starter motor on the gas gas, it mimics that horrendous KTM design that caused so many issues for so many riders until they redesigned it.
@@crosstrainingenduro yes, the starter looks like a total add on. I have not ridden his bike, but he went from the stock 390 and said there is a big difference in suspension. But, he had never sprung the Beta properly nor made any adjustments to it. The big issue with the Gas Gas not starting may be unique to his bike. We know no one else who has one. Both of my buddies that ride new KTM 4 strokes have had electrical problems as well, twice causing no dying and no restart issues . So, seems like with the speed of getting new bikes out and shaving weight, there are compromises.
Come to the dark side, we have counterbalanced two strokes. Nice looking trails Barry.
Beta now have them as well.
Cedric Boivin beta counterbalance is nowhere near as smooth as the KTM, I’ve tested them both.
PNW Enduro ok
Yes, Thats exactly what I was talking with my mates in the weekend. Most of us switched to KTM and tomorrow I will receive my 2019 300 EXC and my 18 300 Racing will go on sale. It's a shame. They had the momentum and they could could have done something really nice.
My wife's 2018 xtrainer just had $1800 worth of bendix and flywheel repairs. Pretty much have had to replace all the plastics due to only minor tip overs and crashes. We call it the Wal-Mart Bike. All this with only 30 hours. Wife won't sell it tho. She loves it.
a shame to hear about the bendix... to date the starter motors have been very reliable.
The uncredited circuit diagram at 1:04 is by Randall Monroe / XKCD, in case anyone is wondering.
thanks whiskey tuesday, i couldn't find the original artist to credit. i'll annotate the vid accordingly.
@@crosstrainingenduro Great to hear, didn't want to be a dick about it but also didn't want to let it go uncredited. Keep up the vids man, they're killer.
I was definitely looking hard at the Xtrainer for about a year or so and your vids were for sure a part of this lust, however I’m glad I went orange. Beta just can’t hang in my opinion. Not only is orange my favorite color, but the ease of parts in the KTM world is unmatched. They make tons of models (even many Husky parts fit) and most parts are interchangeable. This is huge. Also there are three dealerships close to me and many online sites where I can get any part within days or even hours. With all this means competition, which means great prices. An example would be a full plastic kit, and I mean full, everything-Acerbis under $130 free shipping! Beta can’t touch that.
SANDS78 Guess it depends on where you live. I live close to a Beta dealer and I feel the same way as you, except KTM can’t touch Beta.
@@hudscp For sure, If I had access to everything Beta I would probably feel different.
I got a 2018 Xtrainer 300 in Nov. in USA. I replaced the OEM gaskets with KTM ones to stop back pressure into the radiator. After a ride I would notice a little coolant on the ground the next morning and when taking off the radiator cap it would make a big whoosh sound. After replacing the gaskets it stopped. I also replaced the coolant at the same time. I have noticed that Beta torque values they list are extremely high in what they say they require. I use KTM values for the corresponding part.
Yes their torque numbers are crazy. For my 500 I think the front sprocket torque spec is like 60 or 65 ftlbs, my dealer told me just do 30 and call it good.
also the radiator cap they use applies too much pressure before releasing it. i'm not sure if there's an alternative cap that can be used but most dealers just recommend tightening the cap fully then back it off a little.
CROSS TRAINING ENDURO SKILLS Yep. I do that too. 👍
excellent ride. Following that Beta close. Looks to be a worthy horse.
I bought a XTrainer because you ride one... It's true.
i suddently feel very responsible for your satisfaction with the bike. 😁 i hope it's working out well, i've had a great run with mine so far.
Yes it's a 50 year old ozzy unemployed bloke videoing his weekend buddy's grovelling about in the woods that's become pivotal to beta's global sales...... Think they should get a refund from the marketing team... Can you please make some films on global warming and plastic pollution..... The force is strong in this one!
I purchased a 300 xtrainer last year. yeah, some minor checks & adjustments needed, but the bike is well engineered and the price was nice!
have to love the price! it was all i could afford at the time as a new bike and no regrets so far, paul.
Gas Gas has been making Enduro bikes for many, many years. Also had a reputation for shonky quality at one stage, but I'm liking the look of the new ones! But honestly, nothing is perfect. The Austrian bashing is getting very tiresome!
Robert Moore .. not bashing.. guys just can be picky about what they want with a stacked group of competitors.. Also I don’t want tpi.
I know you have an opinion when it comes to the KTM 690 but, I purchased a 2018 last year and I love it. I probably could have bought any bike I wanted at the time and I admit I did little to no research about any of the brands. (Partly because when you are in the motorcycle store and your wife says go ahead and buy it, you have to react quickly!) The 690 just seemed to fit the bill and I ride trails here in the Chilliwack area of BC all day!
Great info! Not a huge Brand loyal guy and love the Husky, KTM and Beta but I still think I will still stay with my KTM XCF-W. It does suck that quality is going down. Perhaps they are growing to fast and can't keep up with the quality and demand which is a bad combo!
despite reporting on known issues with various brands i'm still really impressed with the overall quality of the bikes nowadays... you really can't make a wrong decision imho. 👍
The always perfectible quality of Italian manufacturing. Although they do make really good expresso machines.
Their espresso machines are pretty good too.
In the US, the 2018 Betas were roughly $1000 cheaper than the 2019s. A local shop has a leftover 2018 250rr for $7400. 2019 is $8800. 2019 KTM xc-w 2ts are roughly $9800. I guess they're still somewhat of a bargain. My 2018 250rr has been mostly trouble free. The throttle cable got pinched between the cylinder head brace and the frame, causing it to stick wide open. Non existent headset, swingarm, and suspension linkage grease. My shift lever will not stay tight. I even replaced the shift lever, but I suspect the shift shaft is somehow out of spec. Water pretty much pours into the flywheel cover. The clutch is toast after 65 hours and needs plates. That might be an ok life span, but all my other bikes have gone 100 hours or longer. Maybe I abused this one more since it's a 250. Factory plates cost a fortune and we can't get aftermarket plates for it in the US yet. Float level was way off from the factory. And the spec for chain tension in the manual is way too tight. If you tighten the chain to spec, and crank the swingarm down to parallel with the countershaft sprocket, you'll break something.
Other than that, it's been great, especially for the amount of abuse I've given it. Much less work getting it "right" than my old carbureted aluminum framed WR450. :)
bummer on the clutch david, that doesn't sound normal. tim coleman abuses his constantly and has never had to replace plates despite clocking up so many hours each year. the float level is the same when they use that carb in KTMs too, crazy that they don't fix it after all these years.
Thanks for the info Barry. I had a hard time finding friction discs but finally found some. Seems the 2018 discs are scarce. I'm going to replace the steel discs too. I'll check everything out really well and make sure nothing is sticking. It always felt ok, but the clutch did squeal a bit at times. Somebody suggested that the master cylinder could be too full of fluid. When the fluid gets hot, it can expand and have no air gap to compress into thus releasing the clutch slightly leading to slippage when hot.
And, the discs I "found" are not available. Not in stock and on permanent backorder. No ETA. I can't find any clutch discs for my bike. The consensus from a Beta dealer I found is that the new style 2018 baskets starve the clutch for oil. Apparently they're experimenting with a new basket that feeds more oil to the plates to help longevity... aka rekluse. Chapped with Beta right now!!!
Just thought I'd update this. I discovered that my master cylinder didn't have enough of an air gap in it. As the clutch wore down, the fluid needed more room to expand into the master cylinder. It didn't have that room. So the clutch would hang open. Removing some fluid from the master cylinder fixed it. Tim from BetaUSA was a great help and even offered to cover the parts under warranty. But since my discs are still within service specs I turned him down. Excellent support even though the parts were temporarily unavailable.
I have decided to sell my Beta 390 rrs for: two '95 kdx 200's, a Honda 420 quad, a trials bike and 3000$ in the bank.
Don't get me wrong. The 390 rrs is an amazing bike and great for everything, but the maintenance and long term reliability of the little things has taken its toll a little...
I Bought a 2017 Beta 300ss trials new, and in just a few hundred hours of the hard riding I had to change a wheel bearing. I may still a 2020 Xtrainer a try this spring.
Damn, I'm still loving my Honda, but I was thinking about Beta for the next one!
thats a shame. but good advice, Always spend some time researching before you commit.
The name alone spooked me.
Yeah like change the name from Beta to Alpha and the sales would double, lol
Great video, I ride a Honda CRF now for hare scrambles, trails, but I miss my Beta 250's (slightly off subject) had two of them (2002 and a 2005) two trials bikes, they were so technically awesome, they are so light and they have big thick aluminum frames bigger than my Honda deltabox with gnarly welding. they are badass. Just from that experience I would gladly switch to a Beta, because I think they're absolutely beautiful to look at and I'm sure I could rock it through the woods here near the Grand Canyon, but never let my Honda go. We only have one dealership that I know of in Arizona, its in Phoenix, a bike shop that sells Beta's and bikes like that. Montesa, Sherco, Gas Gas etc. I subscribed, please keep the videos coming, I'm going to look back and check out your other videos, I appreciate your efforts, admire that beautiful countryside that you're riding in and with your skills to ride and commentate like that. and thank you for the ride!
(Magic Smoke, More Electrons, Tear Collector!) That is priceless. I had a Beagle.
- this is the first video I saw at 5 a.m. and when the intro music started and I saw the bikes, I knew it was going to be a good day, Check out the intro music and then you will see this beautiful forest and witness the finest people on the planet, this is the finest experience there is, if you're able to, it is a blessing and an honor to do so. I'm on the gas gas video now! Missing the two strokes. -Please let me know your opinion of the four strokes on single tracks or Hare scrambles, I'm having a 2006 CRF250R - OG - Built completely as new and went with a Pro Circuit single and a 53t rear. Stock but fresh top and bottom. I have to kick start the bike for the hare scrambles which is cool but I would like your opinion on how you would set this bike up besides my gearing and exhaust choice. Thank you again, I'm glad I found your Channel. warstories556.com - this link is to my website only to show my 2006 Honda on the lift as she is being built. (2019 Fenders!) I live at 7000 feet here near the Grand Canyon, we have singletrack's from 5000 to 9000 feet and several Hare Scramble events here in the world's largest Ponderosa Pine Grove, I would love to join and meet up with any one of you who would like to trail ride or compete in an event with me.
I purchased the 2019 Beta 390 RRS, got it home and put a couple miles on it and she was leaking coolant out of a couple hoses and the thermostat housing. Took it back to the dealer, it to take them 35 days to try and fix it. When it was "fixed" i got it back home, rode it and it was leaking again by the morning.
bummer, brian. let me know the final outcome if you don't mind. plenty have leaked a little simply due to the radiator clamps not being tightened properly at the factory... easy fix but annoying.
When I compared prices the slightly cheaper Beta and Gasgas savings would have been taken up driving multiple hours too the dealer. They are all about the same price here. I went with the Husqvarna for the counterbalanced motor, but the SSS suspension had me thinking about Gasgas.
I’m tired of the “known issues” issue. Every time I get pulled over by the cops they always want to talk about the current issue and the other “known issues” I have. All I want to do is ride.
I've been drooling over a new 2019 480rr. I do wish ktm had a 450 with wide ratio though. But wish in one hand....
Been on YAMAHA since I was a baby. Dad always ran YAMAHA with very good luck. I had a few Honda's and Kawasaki's over the years but always go back to the reliable YAMAHA. Another good reason is northern Ontario has very poor presence of gas gas, beta, sherco, husqvarna, and just this year my dealer (trail side sports) took on KTM. Big money compared to the yami ... like 4 grand Canadian funds difference. So 2018 yz250 it is. Non X model cuz I don't like the gear box on the yz250x.
i'm really hoping yamaha do a full overhaul of the YZ ernie, and turn it into a proper 300 enduro model to challenge the europeans. i'd turn blue for that!
@@crosstrainingenduro yup a Yamaha version of the 300 xc or xcw type bike. Electric start, headlight, electric fan, 6 speed, big fuel tank, EFI , oil cooled foot pegs, 250cc n 300cc 2 strokes. Be very cool. My new yz250 is 70th dirt toy but there could be a 71st if this kinda yz came out.
Well mentioning qualitiy control :D (ok beta could step it up a bit, but certainly not the worst out there) a friend of mine bought a brand new ktm tpi and they forgot to put the gears in from the kickstarter (he discovered it after a few hours when the battery could'nt start the bike on a cold day)
I believe kickstarter was installed by retailer as it is not standard on newer ktms..
@@finrampe the tpi's do come with kick starters from factory.
@lain Lee ok, so only the four strokes ship without
@@finrampe yeah, as far as I can see the 4 strokes run without kick starters (reduce weight). I wish they would still keep em though.
@@iainlee114 yes the 2 stroke tpi's come with a kickstart as standard, but for me, missing gears in an (more or less, depends on you) important part of the bike is worse than a couple of little things that can be prevented by zip ties or regular maintenance :D
I don't know if Beta is losing its shine or if they already did. In Jan, 2018 I bought a new 390RR-S partly because of their claim of "rideability", partly on your positive review, partly because they were $1K less than KTM/Husky and partly because my experience with WP suspension is that it is JUNK. (KTM/Husky fanboys, feel free to attack!)At 325 miles I happened to notice that if I let the engine idle for a couple minutes and then blipped the throttle, the exhaust produced a cloud of smoke rivaling a 2-stroke. At 420 miles, Beta approved the replacement of the rings as a act of "goodwill". I was quick to point out that the bike was only a couple months old and way under warranty. This did not solve the problem.My dealer continued to work with me and Beta USA for a resolution of this problem.A couple months later I was informed that the Beta factory in Italy had discovered a batch of cylinders which were "defective" and thought I may have gotten one of them. At 740 miles Beta USA sent a truck to pick up my bike from the dealer and take it to their headquarters where they replaced the cylinder, piston, rings and valve seals. But wait, there's more!This time as an act of goodwill, not to mention good PR, they also returned my bike with the following: New plastics and graphics, new tires, new air filter, aftermarket turn signals, clutch slave cylinder guard and license plate bracket and while it's hard to tell, quite possibly a new chain. There were also some other minor mods.While the problem has been significantly reduced, I still believe the engine shouldn't smoke and use as much oil as it does.
that is great service! i heard that when the racing edition forks problem emerged it was swept under the carpet for a long time, it sounds as though they've stepped up to the plate now. 👍
@@crosstrainingenduro While it's certainly nice that they gave me all the new items in addition to the engine parts, the oil consumption issue remains. While it's not 2-stroke in nature any more, it's a lot more than I've experienced with Japanese 4-strokes. As such, I'm not really sure as to what's considered "normal" for Beta's. I did have a KTM which smoked also.
GasGas has been growing around here similar to the way Beta has been over the past few years. Lots of very happy owners, and if any of them lets me try theirs out I might be replacing my KTM 200 with one soon...
They had year end rebates of $800 at the end of 2018, and the new EC ranger range should be able to get you out the door for YZ250X prices... this is for a bike with KYB suspension, 6 gears, e-start, and a hydraulic clutch.
damn that's cheap dmitriy. i'm still on a very tight budget and that would sway me big time!
I really wanted a beta 300, but i keep leaning toward the yzx...sigh
On the topic of Gas Gas they have made enduro bikes for at least 20 years, cant say much for the new but the 01 I have almost never has an issue and is nasty but has the weight of a newer 4 stroke...
Really like my Sherco Barry. Buuut I did ride my friend’s newer Yamaha recently and it was soooooo nice!
Dealer setup should address the issues. The 2018 race forks are awesome. As good as anything out there. They could use hard anodizing after a season. But that is cheap for a racer.
i know the best dealers try to fix what they can, but any decent factory should be able to get their workers to torque bolts correctly and make sure they haven't left parts out. sounds like you got a later 2018 model if your fork anodizing lasted okay. some guys were finding fork oil turned to sludge after only five to 10 hours riding.
On my 2nd Beta. My 2016 race ed with cc SACHS (not Marz) had the anodizing issue. After spending 250 US dollars and having them anodized I haven't had a single issue with the bike and its over 300 hours now. My new KTM 250xc,with missing pv cover bolts, warped reed petals and useless mikuni cost alot more. Fortunately it's now someone else's problem. My new 19 300 race ed I initially cried shit anodizing again, but hopefully it was just a case of sloppy processing during anodizing. Time will tell. Otherwise I haven't had an issue with it and both Betas are great bikes. I do agree maybe popularity and increasing number of sales is overwhelming the "small" manufacturer. Cutting in to their cappuccino breaks.
@@DirtbikeFanatic ha, thanks. That was purely to store what footage i had. Definitely not meant to be a channel anyone would be interested in but i appreciate it.
keep me posted on how the forks go, jmgoggy. i've heard one case of poor anodizing on a 2019 race model but it's very early days so could just be a one-off. i really really hope they've fixed it.
@@crosstrainingenduro i definitely will. I may also be that 1 other person you are referring to.
@@jmgoggy is that your thread on TT that showed what looked like a mark at the end of the tube from a fixture clamp?
FYI you played a big part in me buying my 2017 beta 300rr no regrets yet. I am however taking to the shop for a high gear shifting slip issue got a out 145 hours I'll let you know what they say over here in liberal California
thanks, i'm keen to hear how that will work out. earlier models would occasionally find false neutrals then the revised the gear selector maybe two years back which fixed this.
Ok update on shift issues operator error after paying attention to my shift charostics I was shifting too quick not letting off the throttle causing flywheel to spin to quick to engage the gear I gotta slow down my shifting cheers!!
15 Beta 300RR... My shock oil is getting contaminated the same way the fork oil is on the beta race edition bikes. I have swapped the forks for a set of KYBs off a 250F. Unfortunately, there is no easy shock swap at the moment
The shock is excellent on Beta, you won't see improvement unless your setup is wrong. Forks, yes. Contemplating SSS on mine as well.
@@painmagnet1 the shock is okay, not excellent, but that is a point of personal preference. point is, the shock oil should not be getting contaminated like that
BETA and KTM are very popular here in Maine. My son and I ride a YZ450 and an RMZ450. We're happy with them, but maybe one day I'll ping up the money for a European bike. Besides, it'll keep my German brother's mouth shut for a while.....he rides a KTM, of course.
KICKSTART ISSUE FOR SOME 2021 MODELS!
Quite a few guys are starting up their new bikes and quickly getting a crunch then the bike locks up. It's a problem Beta is a aware of, and probably a lack of proper heat treatment on the ring gear for the starter. Take it straight to the dealer for a warranty claim, don't attempt to start the bike! Read more in the link below:
facebook.com/groups/BetaXTrainer/permalink/3723863981037854/?comment_id=3724025977688321
I love my beta 2014 300rr race edition but It has been alot more maintenance than any Yamaha YZ250 that I have owned. in comparison my brother's KTMs have been a lot more maintenance than any Honda he is ever owned. I guess my take is if KTM and beta had owned the Moto scene for 30 years like Honda and Yamaha then they would have it pretty well perfected to. On the same token my betta is 5 times the bike my Yamaha ever was.
p.s. Beta USA also extended my warranty an additional 6 months on the entire bike for a total of 18 months!!!
That's good about the warranty you'll need it
So the seat height is only 35.8 inches or 900mm, can the shock be wound up to gain a bit more height if so how much? Thanks for any info and keep up the great vids. Forgot to put on the Xtrainer.
The new Shercos with KYB suspension is interesting.
i rekon there the best thing out, even tho iv never seen another one in the bush in wa
Interesting your comments about maybe getting a Gasgas. I bought a 2019 EC300 after seeing your review and I am 100% happy with the purchase. Yes there were a coupe of issues ( missing sensor on the front brake disc so the speedo didn't work and no copper washer on the gearbox sump plug ) but the reat was spot on. I now have 45 hours on my Gasgas in 3 months and the only mainenance has been gearbox and suspension oil changes and in the next week a new set of tyres. I am a happy Gasgaser !
If the Italian princesses don't know how to work the nuts, I'm out! Jk. I go over all nuts, bolts, wiring, chain... On every bike I purchase regardless of the manufacturer. Takes some time but it gives me piece of mind.
I have a 2016 300 RR and a 2017 TE300
Once i had replaced the crappy Mikuni carb on the Husky with a Lectron, the Beta has become my spare bike. Husky so much smoother ride. Beta however tractors up every hill climb so much more forgiving
I think the release of the new gassers last year caused the betas to become a lot less popular because of how well the gassers went in the reviews which doesn’t surprise me because the new gassers a great bikes
Now there's a thought! You may have contributed to Beta's international recognition as Malcolm smith did for Husqvarna in the 70's. Strange, right? Must mean that KTM will eventually own Beta motorcycles. RR 300 TPI ready to export!
I really wanted a 300rr, but the efi on the Husky and ktm is very appealing to me. We've had efi in our sleds for 15+ years, so I know it works.
probably great if you do major altitude changes especially. but a bit of a mixed bag in terms of extra weight, cost and that extra dash of things that can go wrong but not be fixed out on the trail. if i was a ktm nut i'd probably opt for the carb while it's still around.
@@crosstrainingenduro: Here in Washington we can gain a couple thousand feet elevation in a few minutes. I've got an 06 Arctic Cat M7 162 efi, I've had for ten years, we access remote areas you just can't without snow. It's very rare for efi to fail. I've never had it happen. Yes they definitely cost too much, but if you hate jetting, and you want it to run as good as possible, regardless of conditions, then Efi is really the way to go.We'll probably be seeing more 2 stroke snowbike's now. I still love Beta, just hate jetting.
@@crosstrainingenduro : I think it's just the dirt only guys that seem to have issues with it. For guys that ride sleds in the winter, and dirt in the summer, we're good with it. I do remember all the efi hate, when sleds were switching over in the early 2000's. It didn't last long though, especial after starting on 1-3 pulls, upside down, cold doesn't matter, they just start. Then all the turbo kits started coming out, because the ecu can control everything with mapping. I haven't heard someone say "I wish it was carb." in years!
Im not sure that ive watched a video on why the major Japanese companies haven't entered the 2 stroke enduro market.
Personally i would prefer a Japanese nike than the Euro bikes.
Is there a reason for it?
Thanks
discussed in our "yz250x non-review" video, justin.
Appreciated!
Btw im a fairly newbie in terms of enduro and am doing Tim Colmans 2 day riding course here in Thailand next month, can't wait!
Keep up your good work.
Maybe I should post this on one of your xtrainer vids but I wanted to let you know that my new xtrainer 300 blew a main bearing at 10 miles and now sits at dealer waiting to hear if they are going to replace the motor or rebuild it, the latter of course sounds totally not acceptable on a brand spanking new beta. Not happy
10 miles???!!! please do post this on an xtrainer vid, along with any details as you find out. occasionally you do hear about this sort of thing with various brands happening straight off the showroom floor, such as a KTM owner saying his new bike siezed within a few miles and it had no engine oil. i wonder if your oil pump failed, or that tiny little oil supply hose wasn't connected? many are putting zip ties on those as they can fall off. 😥
Beta is probably trying to keep up with demand and qa has slipped with the higher numbers out the door. No excuse but maybe a reason. And no i do not ride a beta. Husqvarna fe and that was in the shop twice for an issue, but covered under warranty so not too annoyed.
i thought the same thing at first dougie, but beta actually put out a statement saying they were a family business and had no plans to become a huge manufacturer. 😒
Another great video, thanks Man
Ohhhh yea!!! A cross trainer!!!... Beta Smeta... never been on one ... easy peasy Japanesezy! Just ride'm boyz!!!
Now that Yamaha and Honda are back in the game let's hope they make 300 2t versions.
amen... can't wait!
I hope so too but they are spending their money on electric bikes.
I love my 2015 beta rr300. 79hours since brand new... Runs perfect... Love that bike, amazing Machine. That 300 low end makes me smile every time I twist the throttle. My beta has few issues. At about 50 hours my clutch slave cylinder seal(little o ring) failed and I had to replace one fuse. That is all. Do you have any idea why that slave cylinder o ring failed? Could it be because 3year old brake fluid?
@@Motumatai3 you are right. I have heard dragging sound like an hour before it failed😀
i'm no mechanic but i'd agree that's just a maintenance issue and very unlikely to be a fault with the braking system.
Hi! Are you riding 300 xtrainer? Did you change the exhaust pipe? Or carb settings?
Yes. No. No. Pretty much completely stock suspension and everything else.
@@crosstrainingenduro thanks for answer!
Duty of care.....Barry is a cool Dude and maybe even uncorruptable. Don't give him Beer.
incorruptible? bourbon is my kryptonite unfortunately lol!
If you want bulletproof reliability, go japanese. But they are a couple KG heavier (though to note their wet weight figures are usually bang on compared to european "wet weights" which are usually hopelessly inaccurate.) That said I'm going from a WR450f to a Beta 350RR soon, might just stay away from the racing model though due to that fork issue. Or I'll chat to my dealer and see if it's something that will be a warranty job either way.
There is no Japanese two stroke enduro made so they are out of the question. I’d love to see the YZ become a full blown competitor, hopefully they do, Yamaha definitely has the money to do so. A YZ with hydro clutch and estart would be awesome, their suspension is sooo nice!
@@SANDS78 YZ250X??
The WR250 is a pig. Way underpowered and not easily uncorked. The YZ250X has a cable clutch, no e- start and MX gearing for only slightly less $$ than Beta. Do your research folks, Betas have amazing performance, legendary reliability and excellent prices for repair parts, easily obtained.
@@painmagnet1 mx gearing? And we're the ones who need to do research? The other 2 points you mentioned we already know about. As has been mentioned above, the clutch is as light as a the hydro clutch. E-start would be nice, but for many it's not a deal breaker. The yamahas are way more reliable and nothing out there comes with better stock suspension.
@@v1kku What do you mean?
Are you still considering the gasgas ranger as your next bike?
maybe..... 😊
Wait!? Couldn't that be part of the reason Beta offers 2 or 3 other fork packages?
which part of the vid is this responding to?
@@crosstrainingenduro You explained you were frustrated about the degradation of the fork tubes. Rightly so... Maybe all(most) the RR kits have this issue?
Glad they help their patrons out with replacements.
i checked with our local suspension guys. they said many of the race model forks had this issue and it was allegedly fixed late in the 2018 production... time will tell. they have seen it occasionally with the sachs forks on the base model but it seems not often enough to say it's a known issue - at least in our neck of the woods.
What video editor do you use? I am very frustrated with this subject almost all i have used do not work, they shut down, fail to load or you cant upload your finished project to youtube. Thank you.
covered software in a general sense (and filming tips) in my thread here, samuel
advrider.com/f/threads/any-tips-for-better-motorbike-videos.702090/
Guru, please, any nice words about Shercos, or SE-R 300 Factory MY 2019? KYB's and engine feel great. It's expensive yes, but what the hell, we'll live here only once. Any vids coming about new (2019) shercos??
reviewed the shercos a few years back. i haven't had any offers to review this year's models.
@@crosstrainingenduro Thanks. Well, now you have at least one request)) and I think I'm not the only one wishing for this. There are lots of changes since: weight decrease, KYB forks&shock in Factory models, all-electrical exhaust valve control etc.
love the way the Beta was lugging its way through the trail...
as shakespeare would have said if he was into dirt bikes... she doth love to luggeth!
I swear, you comment on every video I watch haha
@@kdxkyle it just means you have extraordinary taste....LOL
with such sparkling repartee and enlightening wit how could i not respond 😁
"not a resistor, wire just does this" LMFAO
Nice vid and important subject. I choose my brand by the most reliable retailer who will carry the responsibility in case of major issues.
so we're stuck with ktm after all? LOL I just wonder if any brand do QA anymore...customers do for them :)
I actually love Betas :) and yes you are the reason for me going this road but I don’t regret it :)
i still think they are great bikes, alexandru! but i think they could get their factory employees to pay a bit more attention when putting the bikes together lol.
@@crosstrainingenduro “You don’t like-a our bike?! Fine! We go on strike-a!” As someone who drives a newer Alfa Romeo, the Italians make awesome machines, but they sometimes make you wonder what you did to piss them off.
I'm getting a 2017 beta 300rr soon I'm hoping I can ride it better then my fe570 the berg in hard stuff is hard work after a couple hours I can't hang on to it anymore hopefully riding the 300 is easier otherwise I'm selling an never riding enduro again 😂
It will make a big difference, Sinan! I actually started this cross training on an FE570 and you can see it in our earliest training vids. Eventually I moved to a KTM 250EXC then a RR300. 10kg lighter and much harder to stall!
@@crosstrainingenduro 570 definitely stalls easy go to jump a log an it stalls half way an down we go
Yep, I went over the bars a few times with that infamous big bore stroke cough.
Hi Guys how was the suspension after full force played with it and was that on the X trainer 300
yep, xtrainer 300 and we did a full vid about the xtrainer suspension a while back.
I’m looking into the 430rr for 2020
Any thoughts on that model?
covered beta known issues a while back...