I like to call these types of streams “depressioncore” since they remind me of the times I’d stay up late watching Vinny play weird shit while I was sad and lonely. These kinds of games always give me that contemplative, melancholic vibe
hi Tyler, im the dev of that game, omg didn't expect this to go "big" just wanted to do this project for fun, but yes, i understand... i found a 3d model of the low poly model of the polyhedron and i tought it was a good idea to implement it in a different way from the original game, but damn now i'm regreting about it 😭
@@Mikelica69word from the wise, don't try to repurpose assets from other games in yours. Even if it's a little jam project it doesn't reflect well that you took something without credit and passed it off as your own. At the very least credit where it's due, but don't do it unless you have explicit permission.
@AC-yh3lf City of Piss? Because ""stealing"" from big companies is leagues better than taking from indie devs or normal people/artists, which is also what GenAI was designed to do, it's a class issue
@@PondScummer stuff like Google Deepdream too. No system of Complicated Stealing and techbros trying to explain why it's ok to everyone in the room, just weird calculations over stock images to make something obviously unreal.
@AC-yh3lf honestly i'd say the worst thing is people saying "it's a tool" as if nobody understands that. it's just got some highly questionable use-cases right now also reminder that the luddites appeared because their jobs were stolen, then they got executed. my stake in all this is that i'm concerned about the oncoming slop and media hitting peak mediocrity, and the jobs obviously. artists got screwed and a lot of people are okay with it as long as it doesn't take their job next
@@PondScummer Honstly the potential for scum is even greater now. It's just that the focus has always been to reduce the jank, and now that it's achievable, most tools have tuned it out.
@@Hwyadylaw If Vinny got the community on making something like that, it'd absolutely happen. There are such tech wizards in this community, someone could tweak the perfect scrumbly image generator
@@spacebassist Why did we skip over the part where the luddites threatened, attacked and in at least one case even killed people before the government reacted with a massive overreach showtrial? You make it sound like a one-sided process.
I host LSDJAM every year - thanks for streaming some of the entries! It's great to see these awesome games getting more attention. We'll be back in 2024 at the same time, so look forward to that! :) We'll be taking a harder stance against AI assets next year - I believe it's not in the spirit of the jam. There was an informal rule not to use them this year, I was not aware that any entries were using them, so this has been informative!
Hello, I'm the developer of Mercurial Dreams. I apologize for causing such controversy, as I didn't see any rules on the jam page against AI-generated images, I thought AI images would add a mysterious touch to my game (and besides not having time to create illustrations, yes, I know I could have chosen other options, I've learned my lesson). So yes, thank you very much for hosting this jam, it has been a lot of fun participating in it , and I'm sorry for all the controversy caused. It seems necessary to emphasize the use of AI and/or, in this case, prohibit it.
@@Mikelica69 Don't worry about it! It's my bad for not making it clear on the jam page, so I see no sense in disqualifying any entries for 2023 or anything! Hope to see you again for 2024 :)
@@Figglewatts Just remember to explain your reasoning. Even as someone who is generally on the "generative AI is a neat tool" side, I reckon for a game jam - where the goal is to create what you can with a limited amount of time - it makes sense to disallow their usage, as time pressures might cause people to feel they need to do it to keep up.
That cat game (especially the part with the space shuttle) HEAVILY reminded me of a series of dreams I had when I was a kid 21 years ago, that was weirdly similiar to those dreams.
45:53 AI image discussion aside the developer just straight up stole the design of the polyhedron from Pathologic if not outright yoinked the model itself.
omg now i feel so bad now, hearing a lot of people complain about AI images and tons of copyrighted assets XD but i felt like it didnt matter because it's just a project i made for fun
@@Mikelica69 Bro don't listen to these stupid people online. You made a game from passion. It hurts to see people be so cruel simply because you used a tool. Like any tool, it is amoral. You can choose to use it or not. People are always skittish when new tech roles around. The harassment artists are getting for this is fucking disgusting and abhorrent. Don't let anybody tell you what to do. Your game, your rules. Tell them to go back to the asylum. And keep up the great work dude! I love your aesthetic!
@@DennisRollf I don't think anyone is bashing on his game, it's entirely focused on his AI usage. There's a comment here stating someone found the game intriguing, but after seeing AI completely switched off.
@AC-yh3lfyeah that's cool.and all Mr. Dev. But as a consumer who is familiar with the development process I have news for you. Your hard work means nothing to me if the end result sucks, tough tits. No one else in the world begs for praise for their shody work like hack developers, you people wouldn't last an hour in general contracting where we adhere to hard standards and expectations. If I screw up my work, I don't get paid for it and I likely lose money. Nut up. If people are saying the game is shit, instead of deflecting and trying to call your customer base a bunch of idiots. You should shut up and learn to listen to why they don't like what you did.
46:20 There actually is surviving footage of him playing Mario Galaxy 2, which was one of his first streams ua-cam.com/video/hbGIGrZH1kQ/v-deo.htmlsi=IGqa0L7DBBAuEb8p
hii!! i'm the developer of the game, first of all, didn't expect my game to be played on a big yt channel (lol) i just wanna say sorry, i know AI generated images are very controversial right now, but i just wanted to make this project for fun, nothing serious ^^ i tought it was a good idea, but you guys seems like don't like it, that said, i wanna say thank you for the feedback i'm receiving for future projects, at least ❤
20:49 not related to the game jam at all, but I can't believe Warning got brought up in casual conversation. Always been my favorite Green Day album and it's so rarely talked about.
im absolutely obsessed with A Time Traveler's Guide to Past Delicacies. it's extremely reminiscent to the style of Eastern Mind: The Lost Souls of Tong Nou which is another game by Osamu Sato (the guy who made Lovely Sweet Dream.) The comedic and meta narrative is a unique spin but the aesthetic styling is gorgeous. It's entirely channeling the energy of Eastern Mind.
7:04 To anyone who hasn't watched it, Pannenkoek's video is actually really good. Just watch it in parts if it's too long; treat it like a video series.
I don't like the type of usage AI images in general have been getting lately either, but come on, everyone losing their mind when it was an actual rare occasions where it was used for it's literal intended purpose. They are basically like your own personalized throwaway stock photos. Just a quick filler/placeholder image for when there's limited time and/or resources, games for gamejams are mostly games in prototype stages with little to no budget and with no profit to be made, if they had to go out of their way to start finding an commisioning one or several artists, wait for their responses and results, it would go way beyond any reasonable scope a game for a jam should have. Now, my real complain is that, good use or not, the results are really damn ugly and really ruins the charming ps2 style of that one game lol.
I'm kind of bummed that Mercurial Dreams didn't turn out well. I think it had a lot of potential, but bungled it on tedious platforming and world travel. The AI-generated images didn't help.
The 'without the use of AI' tag I saw for the first time in 'death god' by frostbitt like a week ago. It's crazy we've gotten to that point with ai but its a good idea now. highly highly recommend the vid to anyone who gets a chance even if its not your cup of tea musically. The non-AI music video is fantastic, and the message in the lyrics and their description is an extremely important one
I imagine there's gonna be a lot of discourse about the AI art usage in that one game. That being said, it caught my attention that a chat member said most (if not all) game jams forbid the usage of AI assets. Is that true? If so, did LSD Game Jam just forget to deal with that game entirely? I honestly thought this sort of thing would be """fine""" by game jam standards considering a lot of the assets are placeholders and it's not for profit, but... well, it's a big discussion. Chat definitely got heated and clearly made Vinny upset because he couldn't even voice his nuanced opinion without being called an apologist. Shame that people are so rabid about it now when we were having fun with AI nightmare streams many sundays ago
I think the difference is that back then (with the nightmare streams) those images weren’t replacing any human made art. They were being treated as their own thing, separate from any “real” art form, but I guess it’s somewhat fair to argue that it’s hypocritical to some degree since those models were trained off of copyrighted images just like the current ones, even if the people participating were unaware of the ethical issues. Anyways yeah there’s no reason to be hostile towards anyone over it and it really sucks when people are, because we need nuance and understanding when it comes to ai image usage
i think the problem is that many of the game jam devs (rightfully) belive that AI """art""" should not be encouraged at all. even if you don't profit from it, you're still skipping practically the entire process of creating or finding textures to use in your game in favor of getting some program to give you janky looking textures that are "good enough." meanwhile all the other devs either spent the time creating textures by hand or paid for access to a database of textures made by other real people.
@@scrumlet3381 you should read in detail about how ai generated art is actually created. it's basically like having a classroom full of toddlers all trying to recreate a painting of abstract shapes. ai cant tell what a hand is, what a finger is, or what a knuckle is. it only knows that if it makes something that looks like a real hand with real fingers and real knuckles it will be told it did the right thing. the real problem is that in order to tell it what is a good example and what isn't, the people who make them use art made by real people to give the ai a general idea of what it should be replicating.
@@scrumlet3381 i was referring to ai art replication in general. i talked about why it still isn't good in this instance in another reply i made to the original comment
@@hecticscone The issue with this argument is that lots of games made during a game jam have parts that are janky and "good enough" especially if they are all made at the event. This is especially true for one person projects and even if the person in question is a game development "renaissance man" they might still compromise on at least one aspect of a game to focus on a different one. IMO at least in cases where you don't have a full team using AI to generate textures or music should be allowed. Organizers could even have a list of approved AI models and therefore get around the accusations that get thrown at the popular AI tools.
Dark Cloud!!! One of my favorite ps2 games that sadly never got the attention it deserved because it was immediately labeled as a Zelda clone on release. But it had so much more going for it.
1:32:33 I think the main thing that causes this is materials not being preloaded by the engine properly, so the freezing is the game loading the materials in-game once they need to be rendered. Godot is awesome and that’s the only major issue I think that needs fixing.
Does anyone know the name of a walking simulator Vinny played a while back where you eat some crusty pizza near the beginning at like a train station or something? The game's soundtrack also has some weird vocals
I was wondering why we suddenly got a boost in "I am a worm"'s views. And seems like I found the culprit of it :p (I was the artist for the record). The game was originally made for a 3 hour game jam, so that's why it didn't really fit into lsd dream emulator.
Thoughts on games: -Worm game: Yeowanaika -UAS: Deep fried eye pain -Mercurial Dreams: Cute but too stretched out (there was also a Neco Arc picture :3 ) -Time Traveler: Most creative of the set, but a bit of filler near the end. -Pyramid: Geometrically Liminal (also C U B E) -Somewhere: Interesting 3D art museum -Somicoda: Closest one to the LSD game. Overall pretty interesting, then again I do like surreal stuff.
"lame AI cat thing" 1 piece of AI art and you are acting like the whole game was made by AI. you well and truly took the AI hate train with no thought.
@@logandarnell8946 it just takes away from the games integrity, when ai art isn't used in the context of parody and presents itself as something more than it is, its dishonest and shitty. shows a lack of care and creativity on the part of the developer and I cannot support it
I'm imagining the sock puppet is a depiction of some bizzare post human mutation, still biologically human, just radically different physiologically, kinda like something from "All Tommorows"
I don't really have a problem with an indie game artist using AI. It's clear that this game was made by either one person or a small team, And I'm sure they don't have the funds to commission artists for all these different pieces they wanted for this game especially when most artists charge significantly more if you want to basically buy the rights to the art It's really only upsetting when big companies do it because they obviously do have the funds to properly hire artists and pay for the rights to the art
I get that they probably didn't mean to hurt anyone but at the end of the day it's still theft of another person's work for their own work. If you are an indie creator it is a billion times more heartfelt and interesting to make everything themselves, even if they aren't skilled. And for something like a game jam and you have an idea but don't have time to execute it, then don't do it. In the case of the game vinny played, the creator could have used stock photos or drawn them in ms paint. There really isn't ever an excuse to use AI.
@@Mikelica69 Look up "21 the world vinny part 1", then go to the 12m 53s mark in the video, there's a car ride segment with a skeleton driver from the same exact POV, only there's a frog with a drink next to you instead of an empty seat
What was the issue people had with the use of AI art in that Mercurial Dreams game? Or even just generally? Seems like a useful tool for something like a game jam or solo devs, but ive got no idea about the online discourse around this topic
people have been doing game jams just fine for years without ai and the use of ai as such a shortcut kind of goes against the point of a game jam most game jams ban it
@@jared6343 in response to the first argument about people having done game jams without it for years, it's more of a mainstream tool now though. It's a bit of a non-argument, could say the same with anything that hasn't been widely used that then gets adopted recently. Noted with the other points though thanks for the insight. I don't personally still see the issue really if a dev thinks that AI art will either enhance the game or free up their time to work on something they consider more important.
@@tar-dab other tools typically don't steal art like ai does, which it has to for it to work and is a caveat that cannot be got around a lot of bigger game jams require you make everything yourself so if someone were to use ai art that directly goes against that. im sure this one was less strict about that, although they have said there was an informal "no ai" rule
@@jared6343 ty for explaining the game jam rules, not super familiar with them so didn't know about that. Is it actually stealing? What I'd call stealing is if it's directly using whole bits of other people's art in generated images.i wouldn't call the AI training from art that's posted online stealing though. Genuinely just not familiar with the AI image generators. What I will say though is that what I have seen is fairly low quality. Wouldn't consider them a suitable replacement for an actual talented artist, same way I wouldn't find genAI writing a suitable substitute for a human writer.
If you're a single dev putting a game out for free, AI should be fine. You're not putting anyone out of work. When big studios do it, that's another matter.
Yeah godot is far from perfect sadly. It was meant to be a very indie engine for a while until people have started to treat it as a serious unity competitor which means godot's current state is very underdeveloped
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ChatReplay ► chatreplay.stream/watch?v=x5pCA1PCPnw
IDk how you still didnt play yume nikki/2kki/fan games considering that game is exactly weird dream exploration simulator
Yoo I beat he'd like psyudoregalia
I was (am) the dev of Somnicoda. Glad it was a hit, thumbnail worthy even!
Reminds me of Yume Nikki! I absolutely love it
How many years of golf did you play to absolutely nail down the controls for the mini-game?
@@CluckN well I've played a ton of Mario Golf Toadstool Tour so that's basically the same thing as real life?
Fellow Godot dev!
do you have an email or a place anyone could contact you? i like doing interviews with indie devs and would be interested in doing a text one with you
I like to call these types of streams “depressioncore” since they remind me of the times I’d stay up late watching Vinny play weird shit while I was sad and lonely. These kinds of games always give me that contemplative, melancholic vibe
as a zoomer myself a better name for it would be 'nostalgic liminal sauce core cringe'
nothing better than time to get ready for bed and a vinny walking sim stream
Hey, that's what I'm doing right now!
Well I feel called out. Bleh.
way too real dude
Hearing Vinny feeds wild birds makes me happy
somebody needs to refuel the drones
Hes slowly becoming Tony
it's about that time where he should start settling down and find a pigeon to marry
That sock puppet game is genuinely amazing, whoever came up with it and pulled it off I love you
the stream art in the beginning is fucking awesome
Am I mistaken or is there an abstracted Frich in the corner?
You are not mistaken and I will not be convinced otherwise
I see mr dink
Now that’s a username and OC I recognize
You’re partially responsible for an addiction I had in high school, which is a compliment
@@sparky6757 Oh dear I've been spotted!!!!! I had the same highschool addiction too!!!
I haven't seen anyone mention that Mercurial Dreams just wholesale used the Polyhedron from Pathologic.
hi Tyler, im the dev of that game, omg didn't expect this to go "big" just wanted to do this project for fun, but yes, i understand... i found a 3d model of the low poly model of the polyhedron and i tought it was a good idea to implement it in a different way from the original game, but damn now i'm regreting about it 😭
@@Mikelica69word from the wise, don't try to repurpose assets from other games in yours. Even if it's a little jam project it doesn't reflect well that you took something without credit and passed it off as your own.
At the very least credit where it's due, but don't do it unless you have explicit permission.
@@The1337guy1 yep, i totally agree with you, thanks for your reply, can't thank enough with the tons of lessons i'm learning with this
@AC-yh3lf whats that one?
@AC-yh3lf City of Piss? Because ""stealing"" from big companies is leagues better than taking from indie devs or normal people/artists, which is also what GenAI was designed to do, it's a class issue
Hi im the developer of U.A.S im glad you liked my game!
The worst thing about AI advancement is that there are no longer Sunday streams exploring wacky primitive image and text generators.
@@PondScummer stuff like Google Deepdream too. No system of Complicated Stealing and techbros trying to explain why it's ok to everyone in the room, just weird calculations over stock images to make something obviously unreal.
@AC-yh3lf honestly i'd say the worst thing is people saying "it's a tool" as if nobody understands that. it's just got some highly questionable use-cases right now
also reminder that the luddites appeared because their jobs were stolen, then they got executed. my stake in all this is that i'm concerned about the oncoming slop and media hitting peak mediocrity, and the jobs obviously. artists got screwed and a lot of people are okay with it as long as it doesn't take their job next
@@PondScummer Honstly the potential for scum is even greater now. It's just that the focus has always been to reduce the jank, and now that it's achievable, most tools have tuned it out.
@@Hwyadylaw If Vinny got the community on making something like that, it'd absolutely happen. There are such tech wizards in this community, someone could tweak the perfect scrumbly image generator
@@spacebassist Why did we skip over the part where the luddites threatened, attacked and in at least one case even killed people before the government reacted with a massive overreach showtrial? You make it sound like a one-sided process.
If Scum Shooter isn't an official term I'd like to coin it on Vinny's behalf because that's gold.
perfect descriptor for Cruelty Squad, Goblin America and U.A.S
Been watching for years, crazy to see Vinny play my very first game (Somewhere Cubed) ((The floating kyooooob game)). Thanks for giving it a try!
I host LSDJAM every year - thanks for streaming some of the entries! It's great to see these awesome games getting more attention. We'll be back in 2024 at the same time, so look forward to that! :)
We'll be taking a harder stance against AI assets next year - I believe it's not in the spirit of the jam. There was an informal rule not to use them this year, I was not aware that any entries were using them, so this has been informative!
Hello, I'm the developer of Mercurial Dreams. I apologize for causing such controversy, as I didn't see any rules on the jam page against AI-generated images, I thought AI images would add a mysterious touch to my game (and besides not having time to create illustrations, yes, I know I could have chosen other options, I've learned my lesson).
So yes, thank you very much for hosting this jam, it has been a lot of fun participating in it , and I'm sorry for all the controversy caused.
It seems necessary to emphasize the use of AI and/or, in this case, prohibit it.
@AC-yh3lf The ban will be specific to generative AI. This is not a reactionary action, and a lot of thought was put into it.
@@Mikelica69 Don't worry about it! It's my bad for not making it clear on the jam page, so I see no sense in disqualifying any entries for 2023 or anything! Hope to see you again for 2024 :)
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@@Figglewatts Just remember to explain your reasoning. Even as someone who is generally on the "generative AI is a neat tool" side, I reckon for a game jam - where the goal is to create what you can with a limited amount of time - it makes sense to disallow their usage, as time pressures might cause people to feel they need to do it to keep up.
There's a bonus director's commentary at the end of the DVD for those who watched it in theatre yesterday. (1:53:22)
Somnicoda warrants a sunday slot by itself
That cat game (especially the part with the space shuttle) HEAVILY reminded me of a series of dreams I had when I was a kid 21 years ago, that was weirdly similiar to those dreams.
Wow that brb art at the start is so detailed, gorgeous work whoever you are!!
For a game jam based assumedly around LSD Dream Emulator, kinda frustrating that only one game or so encapsulated the feel and presentation of LSD
Which? Would love to see it 😊
@@crakhaed Somnicoda
@@moshikito4717 awesome. Thanks!
People interpret things differently.
Game jams are harder than you'd think
That cooking game was fantastic. So much personality
Somnicoda was probably the only actual _LSD_-like in this collection.
45:53 AI image discussion aside the developer just straight up stole the design of the polyhedron from Pathologic if not outright yoinked the model itself.
*(MONGOLIAN THROAT SINGING INTENSIFIES)*
omg now i feel so bad now, hearing a lot of people complain about AI images and tons of copyrighted assets XD but i felt like it didnt matter because it's just a project i made for fun
@@Mikelica69
Bro don't listen to these stupid people online.
You made a game from passion.
It hurts to see people be so cruel simply because you used a tool.
Like any tool, it is amoral. You can choose to use it or not.
People are always skittish when new tech roles around.
The harassment artists are getting for this is fucking disgusting and abhorrent.
Don't let anybody tell you what to do. Your game, your rules. Tell them to go back to the asylum.
And keep up the great work dude! I love your aesthetic!
@@DennisRollf I don't think anyone is bashing on his game, it's entirely focused on his AI usage. There's a comment here stating someone found the game intriguing, but after seeing AI completely switched off.
@AC-yh3lfyeah that's cool.and all Mr. Dev. But as a consumer who is familiar with the development process I have news for you. Your hard work means nothing to me if the end result sucks, tough tits. No one else in the world begs for praise for their shody work like hack developers, you people wouldn't last an hour in general contracting where we adhere to hard standards and expectations. If I screw up my work, I don't get paid for it and I likely lose money.
Nut up. If people are saying the game is shit, instead of deflecting and trying to call your customer base a bunch of idiots. You should shut up and learn to listen to why they don't like what you did.
Vinny said he wants a meat jam. What a time to be alive
Who up jamming they meat
@@pareidolist jammed on my boy's meat for hours to this one
46:20 There actually is surviving footage of him playing Mario Galaxy 2, which was one of his first streams ua-cam.com/video/hbGIGrZH1kQ/v-deo.htmlsi=IGqa0L7DBBAuEb8p
The use of AI art in the 3rd game really threw me for a loop because it was so incongruent with the aesthetic of the entire game
because you are a bigot
also like, how would you get all that art done in the time for a game jam?
@@crackedemerald4930 they could have just. cut out that part?
@@crackedemerald4930 Use MS Paint duh
hii!! i'm the developer of the game, first of all, didn't expect my game to be played on a big yt channel (lol) i just wanna say sorry, i know AI generated images are very controversial right now, but i just wanted to make this project for fun, nothing serious ^^ i tought it was a good idea, but you guys seems like don't like it, that said, i wanna say thank you for the feedback i'm receiving for future projects, at least ❤
20:49 not related to the game jam at all, but I can't believe Warning got brought up in casual conversation. Always been my favorite Green Day album and it's so rarely talked about.
huge fan of coolumbus's design tbh. funky ass sock puppet
im absolutely obsessed with A Time Traveler's Guide to Past Delicacies. it's extremely reminiscent to the style of Eastern Mind: The Lost Souls of Tong Nou which is another game by Osamu Sato (the guy who made Lovely Sweet Dream.) The comedic and meta narrative is a unique spin but the aesthetic styling is gorgeous. It's entirely channeling the energy of Eastern Mind.
Nothing quite like doing some LSD with Vinny.
7:04 To anyone who hasn't watched it, Pannenkoek's video is actually really good. Just watch it in parts if it's too long; treat it like a video series.
47:24 isn't that the thingy from Pathologic, that's made out of its own blueprints?
Yes it is
I don't like the type of usage AI images in general have been getting lately either, but come on, everyone losing their mind when it was an actual rare occasions where it was used for it's literal intended purpose. They are basically like your own personalized throwaway stock photos. Just a quick filler/placeholder image for when there's limited time and/or resources, games for gamejams are mostly games in prototype stages with little to no budget and with no profit to be made, if they had to go out of their way to start finding an commisioning one or several artists, wait for their responses and results, it would go way beyond any reasonable scope a game for a jam should have.
Now, my real complain is that, good use or not, the results are really damn ugly and really ruins the charming ps2 style of that one game lol.
sock puppet is hardcore asmr
The art at 0:00 be amazing
glad ya like it ^^
@@yoshiturafloofAny Psychonauts 2 inspiration?
"very nice....THANK YOU WINDOWS"
oh cool thought it was me.
45:58 I JUST watched the video for Galaxy 2 on May 18, 2024 and heard this. What is this sorcery.
The early worm is nocturnal, so the late worm gets an early bird
And the eternal worm devours Connecticut
RIP to Lizard Crate video ;-;
If i had known vinny was gonna play these, i would have finished my submission for the jam.
dunno if its cause im trippin on shrooms or what but man the whole pet thing transitioning into feeding birds came out of nowhere.
1:36:30 vinny skips dialouge irl
I'm kind of bummed that Mercurial Dreams didn't turn out well. I think it had a lot of potential, but bungled it on tedious platforming and world travel. The AI-generated images didn't help.
Made by one guy for a game jam. Why were your expectations so high?
The 'without the use of AI' tag I saw for the first time in 'death god' by frostbitt like a week ago. It's crazy we've gotten to that point with ai but its a good idea now. highly highly recommend the vid to anyone who gets a chance even if its not your cup of tea musically. The non-AI music video is fantastic, and the message in the lyrics and their description is an extremely important one
I imagine there's gonna be a lot of discourse about the AI art usage in that one game. That being said, it caught my attention that a chat member said most (if not all) game jams forbid the usage of AI assets. Is that true? If so, did LSD Game Jam just forget to deal with that game entirely?
I honestly thought this sort of thing would be """fine""" by game jam standards considering a lot of the assets are placeholders and it's not for profit, but... well, it's a big discussion. Chat definitely got heated and clearly made Vinny upset because he couldn't even voice his nuanced opinion without being called an apologist. Shame that people are so rabid about it now when we were having fun with AI nightmare streams many sundays ago
I think the difference is that back then (with the nightmare streams) those images weren’t replacing any human made art. They were being treated as their own thing, separate from any “real” art form, but I guess it’s somewhat fair to argue that it’s hypocritical to some degree since those models were trained off of copyrighted images just like the current ones, even if the people participating were unaware of the ethical issues. Anyways yeah there’s no reason to be hostile towards anyone over it and it really sucks when people are, because we need nuance and understanding when it comes to ai image usage
i think the problem is that many of the game jam devs (rightfully) belive that AI """art""" should not be encouraged at all. even if you don't profit from it, you're still skipping practically the entire process of creating or finding textures to use in your game in favor of getting some program to give you janky looking textures that are "good enough." meanwhile all the other devs either spent the time creating textures by hand or paid for access to a database of textures made by other real people.
@@scrumlet3381 you should read in detail about how ai generated art is actually created. it's basically like having a classroom full of toddlers all trying to recreate a painting of abstract shapes. ai cant tell what a hand is, what a finger is, or what a knuckle is. it only knows that if it makes something that looks like a real hand with real fingers and real knuckles it will be told it did the right thing. the real problem is that in order to tell it what is a good example and what isn't, the people who make them use art made by real people to give the ai a general idea of what it should be replicating.
@@scrumlet3381 i was referring to ai art replication in general. i talked about why it still isn't good in this instance in another reply i made to the original comment
@@hecticscone The issue with this argument is that lots of games made during a game jam have parts that are janky and "good enough" especially if they are all made at the event. This is especially true for one person projects and even if the person in question is a game development "renaissance man" they might still compromise on at least one aspect of a game to focus on a different one. IMO at least in cases where you don't have a full team using AI to generate textures or music should be allowed. Organizers could even have a list of approved AI models and therefore get around the accusations that get thrown at the popular AI tools.
There are a ton of games from this jam that you didn't play and at least 4 or 5 of them which were among the best.
1:28:00 A real missed opportunity not calling them Cube, Cube Squared, and Cube Cubed.
1:30:30 Hilariously, a real movie
Im so glad Vinny talked about the Dodecahedron movies, my favorite one is HyperAlphaDodecahedron
Mercurial dreams reminded me of that ps2 game...Dual Cloud? Something like that where you play the kid who finda a baku and goes into peoples dreams
Dark Cloud!!! One of my favorite ps2 games that sadly never got the attention it deserved because it was immediately labeled as a Zelda clone on release. But it had so much more going for it.
@@TheGiantgunDual Hearts actually! Not Dark Cloud
I love when vinnt has an unreasonably annoyed reaction ti windos noises
I love it when Vinny posts something unique like this!
bro watched the full video in 45 seconds
@@LiamFagan-sf7jp _Or_ they simply caught the stream live the day before
@@Wryyyong that makes sense
@wryyyong the comment he made makes no sense if he actually watched the livestream.
@@Hithere-uz6wd The plot thickens.
UAS is exactly a cruelty squad clone
but worse
1:05:50 is how I've felt about watching this entire stream.
I enjoyed, thank you Vin
She Xavier my Renegade till i Angel
A new lsd jam after all these years damnnn
17:37 It is nice to see more ps2-like's these days after years of everyone doing just ps1 looking games lmao.
1:32:33 I think the main thing that causes this is materials not being preloaded by the engine properly, so the freezing is the game loading the materials in-game once they need to be rendered. Godot is awesome and that’s the only major issue I think that needs fixing.
Does anyone know the name of a walking simulator Vinny played a while back where you eat some crusty pizza near the beginning at like a train station or something? The game's soundtrack also has some weird vocals
My mind immediately jumped to Funny Pizza Land, but I don't think that's a walking simulator.
Offpeak maybe?
@@faithnowlin1697 Yup that's it! Thank you!
I was wondering why we suddenly got a boost in "I am a worm"'s views. And seems like I found the culprit of it :p (I was the artist for the record).
The game was originally made for a 3 hour game jam, so that's why it didn't really fit into lsd dream emulator.
Meat Gamejam sounds fun
omg non live vinny voiceover at the end
i'm always just as surprised by the appearance of devin chat
Thoughts on games:
-Worm game: Yeowanaika
-UAS: Deep fried eye pain
-Mercurial Dreams: Cute but too stretched out (there was also a Neco Arc picture :3 )
-Time Traveler: Most creative of the set, but a bit of filler near the end.
-Pyramid: Geometrically Liminal (also C U B E)
-Somewhere: Interesting 3D art museum
-Somicoda: Closest one to the LSD game.
Overall pretty interesting, then again I do like surreal stuff.
Mario’s mystery meat is the best meat game
god vinny would love yume nikki
The whiplash from the lame AI cat thing to the really cool puppet game was very extreme to watch live, let me tell you.
"lame AI cat thing" 1 piece of AI art and you are acting like the whole game was made by AI. you well and truly took the AI hate train with no thought.
@@logandarnell8946 done for
FUCK AI art. Creatively bankrupt, not to mention lazy. Doesn't matter to me if there's "only one piece".
@@sneezebiscuits7239 "bro relax there's only 1 shit on your floor" lol
@@logandarnell8946 it just takes away from the games integrity, when ai art isn't used in the context of parody and presents itself as something more than it is, its dishonest and shitty. shows a lack of care and creativity on the part of the developer and I cannot support it
went to tacobell for this
We need a gray leno game
I'm imagining the sock puppet is a depiction of some bizzare post human mutation, still biologically human, just radically different physiologically, kinda like something from "All Tommorows"
4D Golf is gonna be insane
excited for liero. There are easily playable online multiplayer versions
6:48 Wish I could check it out, but the WWE has apparently decided that my country isn't worthy to watch the Lizard Crate video. :)
What why?
I don't really have a problem with an indie game artist using AI. It's clear that this game was made by either one person or a small team, And I'm sure they don't have the funds to commission artists for all these different pieces they wanted for this game especially when most artists charge significantly more if you want to basically buy the rights to the art
It's really only upsetting when big companies do it because they obviously do have the funds to properly hire artists and pay for the rights to the art
I get that they probably didn't mean to hurt anyone but at the end of the day it's still theft of another person's work for their own work. If you are an indie creator it is a billion times more heartfelt and interesting to make everything themselves, even if they aren't skilled. And for something like a game jam and you have an idea but don't have time to execute it, then don't do it. In the case of the game vinny played, the creator could have used stock photos or drawn them in ms paint. There really isn't ever an excuse to use AI.
@@blorpman9735thats cool but wish people could say the same thing about piracy.
Its probably for the best that the UAS game crashed at 13:44. As that game was like barfing rainbows in my eyes.
Oh pish posh! The more brighter colors, the better, I always say.
dame y=that's some good art, even has a hidden mr dink AND the frog vinny voiced
Time travelers guide has been out for a couple months now.
chat got really sassy during mercurial dreams after talking about ai art for 5 minutes
They're already becoming just like their parents
16:12 Is that a motherfuckin 21:The World Reference????? Only missing the chalice frog
Noooo, didn't know about that! Can you explain? Now i'm curious!!
@@Mikelica69 Look up "21 the world vinny part 1", then go to the 12m 53s mark in the video, there's a car ride segment with a skeleton driver from the same exact POV, only there's a frog with a drink next to you instead of an empty seat
1:39:27 the weenus is an actual liminal part of your body
Meat game jam MUST happen
I'm so early, hell yea. U amazeing vinny vinersauce
Wheres the lizard crate vid i was about to watch it
a link to it is in the description, but looks like the vid got claimed by WWE and got blocked from being viewed
@@x_kawaiiangel_x aw man
That second game is what people see when they get fried in _Strange Days._
Crows are cool. I always see people in UA-cam shorts who befriended crows
This is amazing and all, My favorite videos are the weird games segments. I'm just wondering which game UA-cam thinks is Sonic 1?
the game is something the uploader sets manually. my guess is johnny just did that as a joke lol
Lizard Crate video was taken down by WWE just a few minutes ago. John Cena music I guess.
It's back now ☺
That cat dreams game actually looked like a ps2 game
1:34:48 the last note suddenly being in the back of the left ear jumpscared me
So about that lizard crate compilation...
2:28 excellent bit lmfao
What was the issue people had with the use of AI art in that Mercurial Dreams game? Or even just generally? Seems like a useful tool for something like a game jam or solo devs, but ive got no idea about the online discourse around this topic
I just find it fun to watch the dumpster fire that most discussions about it become.
people have been doing game jams just fine for years without ai and the use of ai as such a shortcut kind of goes against the point of a game jam
most game jams ban it
@@jared6343 in response to the first argument about people having done game jams without it for years, it's more of a mainstream tool now though. It's a bit of a non-argument, could say the same with anything that hasn't been widely used that then gets adopted recently.
Noted with the other points though thanks for the insight. I don't personally still see the issue really if a dev thinks that AI art will either enhance the game or free up their time to work on something they consider more important.
@@tar-dab other tools typically don't steal art like ai does, which it has to for it to work and is a caveat that cannot be got around
a lot of bigger game jams require you make everything yourself so if someone were to use ai art that directly goes against that. im sure this one was less strict about that, although they have said there was an informal "no ai" rule
@@jared6343 ty for explaining the game jam rules, not super familiar with them so didn't know about that.
Is it actually stealing? What I'd call stealing is if it's directly using whole bits of other people's art in generated images.i wouldn't call the AI training from art that's posted online stealing though. Genuinely just not familiar with the AI image generators.
What I will say though is that what I have seen is fairly low quality. Wouldn't consider them a suitable replacement for an actual talented artist, same way I wouldn't find genAI writing a suitable substitute for a human writer.
If you're a single dev putting a game out for free, AI should be fine. You're not putting anyone out of work. When big studios do it, that's another matter.
meat is gonna be my favourite game genre from now on
Did Vinny actually play detachable penis? that's amazing lol i love that song.
acid is actually intense asf especially them gels
1:49:05
Possibilities
The S in LSD stands for 'Dreams'.
No it stands for SEX
No it stands for "Shut up"
U.A.S. Feels like you downloaded an illegal copy of cruelty squad
Yeah godot is far from perfect sadly. It was meant to be a very indie engine for a while until people have started to treat it as a serious unity competitor which means godot's current state is very underdeveloped
LSD? Vinny, don't ruin your life.
Enhance your life.
With LSD
LSD Jam? Meat Jam?
I raise you one better: Bernband Jam. Gosh I hope Bernband 2 gets finished and the creator gets lots of good dosh out of it.
Not chat thinking Vin is a boomer
U.A.S is like someone saw Cruelty Squad & just utilised all the tropes without adding anything of their own