Creek Fire "Afterburn" - FULL EPISODE - American Grown: My Job Depends on Ag
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- We end Season 2 with a look into last summer's Creek Fire and the debate over how to best prevent these disasters from happening in the future.
Is it forest management? Climate change? A return to a healthy timber industry? Everything is on the table for this red hot season finale. Please log in and hit the subscribe button!!!! Thank you!
Thank you Jeff for all your hard work in making all these videos. The environmentalist only see saving a tree but the forest then burns, we have got to get back to real forest management, like in the 70's and before. Start harvesting these trees to use for construction of the new houses, bring back the logging industry that was forced to close because of an owl (where is that owl going to live now?)
Thank you Jeff Aiello for all the work you have put into this and previous episodes.
Great season Jeff and company!
Great first episode of the Creek Fire documentary. Thank you for your hard work on this project, and continuing to work on it!
My husband and I really enjoyed watching the Creek Fire episode however we were incensed by the comments of Chad Hanson & immediately looked up Hanson’s bio learning that he is affiliated with several liberal groups.
We realize that American Grown was presenting both sides of the forest management issue & are pleased & heartened with Edison’s realistic approach
@@k.mckenry9027 Dr. Hanson was the only scientist in the video. Perhaps there should have been more.
Jeff and Jill, excellent piece! Thank you so much for all you do for our mountain!
Hey this is Javin De Lany and we lost our home on cressmans to the fire my father spent his life advocating for proper forest management and look what politics. And misinformation got my home our home this can not be allowed to happen again
We agree Javin. Can't wait to produce the full documentary!!
I listened to Ramiro directing firefighters into fire on the 4th and as it started it's run, he did an excellent job.
I am taking the California Naturalist Course. This week's topic was on Forests, Woodland, and Range Resources and Management. Each of us was asked to highlight an issue that they found the most interesting. One of our class materials is to watch this video, which I did, several times. Here are my comments that I shared with the class.
3:46pm Local: Mar 10 at 3:46pm
The stand-out item for me was the video The Creek Fire "Afterburn". I was stunned that after all of these fires, which are now getting bigger and bigger and for more and more days of each year, that there is no consensus on the cause of these monster fires, and so of course therefore no consensus on how to control or mitigate them.
When I first started watching the video I didn't realize it was showing different points of view - although that became obvious when the scientist said that the down trees were not a major source of fuel, and that climate change and weather was the problem, and the residents and ranchers and loggers contradicted this and pointed to their personal situations with their anecdotal evidence. The loggers/politicians/ranchers make the case that logging creates healthy forests, the scientist said nope, logging is an environmental disaster the way it is being done now where all trees in an area are removed.
The filmmakers tried to reconcile these contradictions at the end where they have a person in a blue shirt (not sure who) talk about "well it's probably some of all of this, we need to figure it out".
It was confusing as who was who it would have been helpful if their names had been put in text on the screens and left up when they were talking.
Here's some of the people where I managed to catch the few seconds where their name is on the screen, followed by my quick and dirty summary of their positions. (Probably one of you reading this is going to point me to a page where all of their names and roles are described - please do!)
Chad Hanson, PhD in Ecology U.C. Davis/Forest & Fire Strategist - The John Muir Project - those other people are lying to you, logging is one of the largest sources of carbon emissions, climate change and weather is the problem, not downed trees. Plus downed trees create very little fuel load.
Chad Wagner (dad), Ashley Wagner (daughter), baby - residents - we are lucky to be alive. Baby - crying
Kenny Rose - Big Creek resident - lucky to be alive
John Mount - Natural Resources Manager at Edison - it wasn't our fault, we did controlled burns and that achieved fuel reduction, look here, our lands are all good. It's fuel load period.
Romero Rojas - U.S. Forest Service - factual of what happened, not speculating why
Jim Patterson - CA State Assemblyman - wants logging, jobs, money from industry
Tom Wheeler - Madera County Supervisor - everything was better in the good old days when we had log mills and 5 or 6 bars (plus grocery stores, etc.). He claims that the forest growth each year is equal to what was cut before so that logging kept the forest in balance.
Brian Biglione - Beasore Meadows Cabin Owner - I hope my cabin is ok, these are big trees if one of them fell on my cabin it's toast. (I don't think we ever found out.)
Guy in the blue shirt and black vest - OMG there's tons of new material down on the ground that will fuel future fires. So logging is good, but well, who knows ... it's an interesting debate.
No one ever wonders what it was like before humans, not just before Native Americans. Yes, the Native Americans did a good job of managing the areas they were in but their population was very low, they weren't managing forests and woodlands over the entire state.
So, I'd like to know what fire was like in forests and woodlands 20,000 years ago and even further into the past where humans had had no impact yet.
Excelent work folks.. Thank you.
Thank you guys for your time and effort to put this project together good job....
Our property was burned 60% but home/structures survived. This has been our nightmare---- feel all these emotions in this. We live in MileHIGH
Mono Winds are named after one of tribes up here. The Natives managed the land during their yearly migration from the San Joaquin Valley up to the Sierra's High Country. They burned areas that needed it every year.
Good job
That’s crazy.. my moms cousin that I call my uncle is named Craig Wagner and his daughter Ashley Wagner lived with him and we almost died 2 Months later in November 2018 during the Camp Fire up in Butte county and in almost the exact way except our Cal Fire and Firemen all ran for their own lives and abandoned their post without issuing an evacuation notice.
There’s a documentary with a cal fire guy crying and apologizing becuase he got scared and ran home abandoning his duties. The only way we knew there was a fire was seeing the huge plume of smoke rolling and moving and 911 was trying to say it was 50 miles away when it was 1 mile lol. The word only spread becuase we ran door to door pounding on them telling everyone becuase they shut off the power that killed the internet and shut off the cell phones except for government so you couldn’t call anymore or look up information.
911 went from telling us no fire don’t worry to 5 min later telling us we are surrounded and no one is coming to save you leave and good Luck.
For some reason they even released the calls from that day and you can literally hear someone get confused from smoke and beg for help and scream that she’s melting.
I’ll never forgive cal fire or the fire and police department for being cowards that day. They all waited in clean air waiting for people to emerge from the dark smoke into sunlight. No help evacuating nothing.
Citizens were directing traffic and trying to get the traffic jams moving becuase no firemen or police stayed or came back there’s articles in the LA Times detailing how they abandoned their posts like “cowards without even issuing the county evacuation notice and instead of following their oaths to save and protect they not only abandoned their posts but their duties and left the people of paradise and Magalia to fend for themselves why they went and got their own family and evacuated..”
I used to log in them there hills
What started the Creek Fire?
Apparently, that answer is about as elusive as the answer to the Epstein suicide.
well...it wasn't Edison. Nope.
16:16 to 16:25 what did he mean when he stated that the one project was created to prevent this very project. What I'm getting from it is the fire was a project and you created another project to prevent the fire project.word for word go listen for yourself
Ramiro meant to say fire, the musick fuels project was created to help stop a fire and help protect the communities in the area. This was done near tollhouse, meadow lakes, and shaver and it worked in those areas.
Why everybody here in North fork lost
Me and my family drove up to that mountain and we drove through the part where the fire was and it was really sad but it also looked really cool at the same time. and one part of the mountain all the trees were all black completely brunt
The lady with the kids seems a bit wacky
Don’t live in the forests