I was taught in the 60's and 70's the importance of fire at the natural history museums as a kid. It goes to show how public policy is not in line with science.
I think it has to do with the “American mindset.” The “me, me, me” mindset, versus what’s best for the community. Examples: - Prescribed burns being fought against by homeowners in the area due to the inconvenience of smoke/fear of the unknown - Land owners landscaping their properties the way THEY want to, rather than what is best for fighting fire/stopping the spread of fire within a community. - Building in fire prone areas because all the safer areas have been developed, even though we know where fires tend to be most dangerous Only once communities and individuals work together on this issue as a community, rather than individually, will we see results. Until then, the “me, me, me” mindset Americans have will continue to be their downfall.
@@gd2234_ Actually, the biggest roadblock to prescribed burns has been the USFS and BLM. That, and the USFS and their environmentalist allies halting logging in many areas. I had a forestry class as a college elective back in the 80s. Way back then, the professor said that the forests had 4-5 times as many trees as there were before Europeans arrived. There are a lot of areas here in the Sierras where you cannot walk through the forest, because there is so much undergrowth like young trees, brush and dead trees and branches all over the ground. As far as living in fire prone areas, most of California and much of the west are fire prone. Based on the logic of trying to keep people out of fire prone areas, why not get people out of areas that have a history of earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, flooding landslides, tsunamis, or any other natural type of natural disaster. There would not be many places to live. Besides, many people do not want to live in fukked up urban cesspools.
Refreshing to see acceptance of the necessity for restoring the active management of natural land: the hands-off approach might seem good in theory but it can lead to disastrous consequences. Also the acceptance that human encroachment is partly to blame for the increased issue.
I'm copying and pasting this comment I left on another fire video. It applies just the same here. This the Paradise California, Dallas Texas Boulder Colorado and many other "Wildfires" are PLASMA and or DEW directed energy weapon fires in the last several years. The Earth's poles shifting causing the magnetic shielding to shut down letting in cosmic rays creating spontaneous PLASMA fires. In all these years our LEADERS and MSM have been silent about these plasma fires blaming them on "CLIMATE CHANGE" caused by us using fossil fuels, raising crops, livestock AND cowfarts. They also have several directed energy weapons DEW's or and technologies to create any kind of weather anywhere in the world, flooding, droughts, tornadoes all of them including fires and earthquakes. They can direct this incoming cosmic rays energy caused by the Earth's poles shifting with HAARP, HAMMER, SMACC or solar magnetic amplification causative configurator and start these PLASMA DEW fires which is what this and many other fires our the last several years. They could easily stop the droughts here in the US by using their rainmaking technologies but they don't. Why don't they tell us why these trees are burning from the inside out, cars engine blocks wheels glass melting into rivulets on the pavement far away from trees or any fuel source? Etc. They let us suffer and tell us it's caused by us . Wake up and research all of this. We need to stand up en masse NOW against all this tyrannical BS overtaking OUR world or we're finished. Watch some of Jeff Snyder2's UA-cam channel videos. He's probably getting the most relevant information out there that I've seen in these fires the last several years. All the bad weather events in the last 10-20 years or more have also been caused by our LEADERS technologies that we paid for them to learn, build and use against us. Please wake up and research this stuff. God bless all of you and your families.
There were a hell of a lot more little towns dotted all over the northwest (where I live) 100 years ago compared to today. Little towns like Burke, Grand Forks, Taft, etc… “encroached” a lot more than any town today.
At 31:30, that old man says it best. He is exactly right in what needs to happen. This coming from a firefighter in California who is on a lot of this large fires.
Agree 100%. The issue is that for over a half-century the USFS timber management was set-up like a business. By that I mean parcels were auctioned off for logging, with the timber industry bidding for the lot, then reaping whatever profit they could make. This doesn't work much anymore, at least not in the same way, as a great, great many acres don't have enough valuable timber, and what really needs to be taken out is underbrush, scrag, downed trees, small trees, and such, leaving large trees, which simply isn't profitable for the industry. Therefore, the USFS needs to not sell, but give away parcels as a loss-leader of sorts. Paying the timber industry to clear out this underbrush for free, or close to it, with the USFS taking a loss. This is antithetical to nearly 100 years of thinking, and not in the mindset of people my age (50) and older who grew up in the old-school system of harvesting. But the loss the USFS incurs from giving away such parcels for the industry to properly clean up, would be pennies in the dollar compared to the absolute loss of these devastating fires.
Finally a film that do pay some attention to the big picture rather than just annoucing or commenting stupidly about a fire somewhere and shrug it as usually. Well done, I expect more of these kind of films in the future. I know a lot of people just want to ignore the situation and forget about just any fire like oh it's no big deal until the next fire comes and then again just forget it again an again. Or you have the wise people who understand what's going on and make a film out of it.
couldn't help noticing that ppl are immediately building more 100% wooden houses exactly where the last ones just burned to the ground - am I missing something here?
The Biggest Problem is the Government People setting on their Big Fat Rumps in Washington D C who have never given enough to Forest Management, they waste the Tax on their own :Pet Projects instead! Wake up, this Damage can be stopped if Washington D C gets off their RUMPS and Fund the Forest Management Departments. But, they do not lose their homes and towns, so they do not give a damn about the "West Burning". We in America have a Very Greedy Government! Stop closing our Mills, start doing 50 percent cutting all over our Forests and sell all that lumber before a Fire destroys it. Any Child can tell you of Washington D C that. Your College Degree sent your Washington D C noses high into the air.
No. The non stop aerial atmospheric spraying is normal. It was happening in the 1700's when the American fighting forces were landing planes at east coast airports.
I understand the market for timber was what it was back then…. but man I sure hate seeing those old photos of the loggers cutting down those old trees. If you pay close enough attention to the trees in those photos, they were massive. I sure wish I could have seen them. You guys on the West Coast still have some old growth forests left in certain areas of that part of the country. Over here on the East Coast, they are much more rare, usually found in smaller areas that loggers simply could not get to, like areas in the Allegheny and Appalachian Mountains. I can only imagine what the wilderness and wildlife was like before European settlers came.
I'd imagine it would be like areas of India, China, the Middle East and the Mediterranean before human history started 12,000+ yrs ago. All those ancient forests cut down and used to build civilization, smelt iron or copper or bronze. Seriously, why did those ancients destroy all those forests, flora and fauna?
I can show you tons of old growth in Oregon and California. The problem is the forests of the west have been abandoned since the Clinton years, decommissioned roads and no salvage/thinning logging on federal lands create a lot of fuel load that takes fire into the canopy of the big trees. I live by the biggest trees in the country that fire is destroying more than loggers ever would and more frequent than when logging was going on, logging just isn't about old growth, it is about management, we see the changes year after year now my childhood home is gone as result of no management. I'm sorry logging photos bother you, maybe I could post pictures of 200-foot flames killing trees instead.
@@MrTRex777 The Smokey the Bear campaigns started in 1950. LONG before Clinton was even thought of for office, and the Forestry Dept had LONG adopted fire suppression over letting natural fires burn before the 90s. That campaign is the start of the issue. So, before you go political about it.. you should really see when all this started, which was even covered in the documentary itself. The point is, logging was going unchecked and needed to be checked before there wasno old growth left. That old growth of slow growing MASSIVE trees is/was key to having natural fire resilliancy. That said, as with everything there's give/take both ways, and we need to work to get back to a situation where natural fires can burn without causing millions of acres to burn out of control every year taking out entire towns in the process. We are only JUST beginning to try and resolve the issues of 7 decades of fire suppression. 70 years of reduced logging that shuttered loads of companies in the process that could have been part of the solution. It's going to take time, effort and new companies across the country. All of these issues made worse by the Wildlife Urban Interface expanding making it even more difficult to rectify the issue. All of these issues are only REALLY addressing Federal forests, not privately owned acerage, so you can also thank private land owners for not managing their properties too.
@@MrTRex777 I understand your frustration. Smaller, controlled burns and thinning will mean that when fires do occur, they won't be intense enough to kill so many trees. Those large trees can survive if fires are smaller and managed. You probably know that, but some viewers might not.
I'm copying and pasting this comment I left on another fire video. It applies just the same here. This the Paradise California, Dallas Texas Boulder Colorado and many other "Wildfires" are PLASMA and or DEW directed energy weapon fires in the last several years. The Earth's poles shifting causing the magnetic shielding to shut down letting in cosmic rays creating spontaneous PLASMA fires. In all these years our LEADERS and MSM have been silent about these plasma fires blaming them on "CLIMATE CHANGE" caused by us using fossil fuels, raising crops, livestock AND cowfarts. They also have several directed energy weapons DEW's or and technologies to create any kind of weather anywhere in the world, flooding, droughts, tornadoes all of them including fires and earthquakes. They can direct this incoming cosmic rays energy caused by the Earth's poles shifting with HAARP, HAMMER, SMACC or solar magnetic amplification causative configurator and start these PLASMA DEW fires which is what this and many other fires our the last several years. They could easily stop the droughts here in the US by using their rainmaking technologies but they don't. Why don't they tell us why these trees are burning from the inside out, cars engine blocks wheels glass melting into rivulets on the pavement far away from trees or any fuel source? Etc. They let us suffer and tell us it's caused by us . Wake up and research all of this. We need to stand up en masse NOW against all this tyrannical BS overtaking OUR world or we're finished. Watch some of Jeff Snyder2's UA-cam channel videos. He's probably getting the most relevant information out there that I've seen in these fires the last several years. All the bad weather events in the last 10-20 years or more have also been caused by our LEADERS technologies that we paid for them to learn, build and use against us. Please wake up and research this stuff. God bless all of you and your families.
as a non certified and ex volunteer wildfire fighter and logger who actually has pride value and respect for our forests. Im proud to see awareness finally being made a priority and talked about because i have seen both sides of argument and subject witch both have Merit but its time to start seeing things differently and done differently because fire and logging do have its benefits too it but it also has many disadvantages to that need to be addressed in order to move forward into the future because we will always need wood and will need our forests to be strong and healthy witch is what we as ppl and our forests are lacking.
In places like Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, they built and build houses out of kiln fired red terracotta blocks, stucco'd on the exterior, and the roofs are not black gasoline (asphalt shingles) but are in fact also kiln fired terracotta tile, the walls are substantially thick, they are superior construction and highly fire resistant.
It seems that the idea of wooden cabins caught hold early on in people having houses in the woods, probably because it's a ready resource. However, now people in fire prone areas need to think of alternatives. Brick construction isn't the best with our earthquakes, but perhaps reinforced concrete, block or stucco would work. A lot of cabins now have steel/metal roofs, which are at least fire resistant. I'm not a big fan of the "black gasoline" asphalt shingles myself, nor of the various flammable wood building products which go into making our houses/apartment complexes and strip malls such tinder boxes. Hopefully the coming generations will be able to fix this idiocy. They have a better grasp on the ideas of conservation and finite resources than the baby boomers.
Its a good thing you have no background or understanding in masonry construction, building codes or general engineering principles, or we americans might be inclined to take offense
I started my California fire fighting career in 1988 and retired 2020. When I first started the wildfires back then got to 90,000 acres it was considered a massive fire. 2020 a wildfire reaches 700,000 acres is a massive fire. The differences I saw during my career was as follows: 1988 we did prescribe burns during fall and winter. There were less people and communities in the forest. We were able to use bulldozers to put in fire breaks. There were drought years. 2020: very few or no prescribe burns. More people living in the mountain areas which makes human factor of starting fires whether intentional or accidental higher. Stricter environmentalist regulations meaning no or very few fire breaks. I feel humans have a big part of these fires getting big. I know the temperatures have been record breaking and high winds. This maybe global warming or climate change. Remember we have only been recording weather accurately since 1880. Yes they recorded before 1880 but it was very limited and not as accurate. With that being said how do we know that maybe this heat and type of weather comes every thousand years? We need to go back to prescribe burning and making fire breaks to keep the fires smaller. The people who live in the mountains really need to keep at least 100 ft clearance around their house!
The forests here in the Sierra are horribly overgrown, plus we had a 5 year drought that killed an estimated 180,000,000 trees. Politicians like to call these fire we have had the last few years "unprecedented" and "climate fires". Fires of this size are unprecedented in modern times, but scientific researchers in the UC system have determined that before Europeans arrived, an average of 4,000,000 acres used to burn in California every year. And about once every 30 years or so, up to 11,800,000 acres would burn in a year. It doesn't help that USFS sometimes doesn't jump on fires right away. They screwed the pooch on the Rim Fire, the Angora Fire, the Tamarack Fire, the Caldor Fire, and others. It is the entirely the fault of forest management, and certainly not the USFS firefighters. Plus, sometimes they won't let CalFire fight wildfires until they get out of hand.
@@mkay1957The fire in Australia in 2019 you could fit the UK inside it... about 40 deaths, 1 billion animals died, 7000 homeless it travelled about 1km per minuet the dry grass was it`s main fuel sauce in cleared forests where it would normally be wet/damp from under growth.......
I love you all Santa Rosa. I hated leaving my family behind. Michigan is now my home. Keep doing your best everyone. And I continue to pray for the best.
It was nice to see different perspectives. Doing this for a living for most of my life has given me a viewpoint that is very difficult to share without stirring a hornets' nest with ignorant, biased, and/or political players. There is a lot more to this mess that we created -with the very best of intentions (in most cases). The consolidation of viewpoints presented here-when properly balanced- can provide a great start to healing the land with which we are called to provide sound stewardship as it returns that care to us. Moderation in implementation and establishing scientific solutions without emotion will go a long way.
Thank you. I support everything. You just said. You have been boots on the ground. You are the expert because you have been eyewitness. Thank you for your service.
@@beehappycoleman7159 Thank you. It means a lot to me. Ironically- your response came at a very well timed moment. I just finished doing a pretty good size control burn in some noxious and invasive fuels. The result of the burn will be a seeding operation of indigenous wildflowers to supply the owner pollen for...Honey Bees! So... Bee happy Coleman! We're gonna' see some awesome things happening out here. Bee safe- and enjoy your healing environment.
I know on the east coast, some of my friends are in the logging business, as lumber jacks and skid drivers. And their thinning Forest in NY and chipping up everything but the best logs, and Canada buy's the chips and uses them in power plants.to make electricity, that seems a lot better than paying people to risk their own lives to put out a fire, that Will soom enough burn again sometime in the future. I am now 40 miles from the mosquito fire, and I'm going to start really packing up for the last time, 19 years in grass valley CA. And it's only gotten worse. And the smoke is a real hard thing to deal with
I help fight these fires and I’ve seen it do things that most ppl wouldn’t believe and I strongly believe that we must manage these landscapes better on a bigger scale and more efficient and often it would dramatically increase our ability to get ahead of these fires and contain them in a more efficient and faster way
Agreed, although I think part of the point of the film is that if we can get out ahead of these fires with better, more holistic land management practices that are cross-boundary, we won't need to contain them all so aggressively. They can then do good work for us as they would naturally in healthier ecosystems (at least in places where fire is a common and healthy part of ecosystem function).
We have land West of Laramie Wyoming and that land went through a fire 2 years ago. The fire came up to 5 feet from our dwelling. Now the land is so very beautiful, green, and you would never think that a fire went through. The only thing that we don't now have that we had before the fire is the dead tinder that burned. All of that is now gone. When the pine beatles came through and killed all of the pine trees, the forest service took all of the larger trees out but they left all of the trees that were 3 to 5 inches in diameter and they were standing fuel for the fire. That is now gone completely. Nature got rid of it for us. Fire is just a part of nature and leaving all of the down and dead fuel around is just dumb...
You won't feel this way when all the fresh water rivers finish drying up and millions are starving because the sun burnt most of the crops like is happening right now. Wait until we get into a nuclear war in the near future. We will see just how great living things recover. We don't even have enough fresh water for all the farmers in California. The rivers are depleted severely. You can't release 2000 unnatural nuclear warheads into the atmosphere and billions of gallons of petroleum toxins and chemicals from industires and constant wars and piss and crap in the rivers that run into the ocean and thing mother nature is going to come out smelling like a rose. Wyoming has very little to burn its a lot of open nothing. We had a fire take out the south side of the columbia river gorge years ago and it still looks like a dead zone. We had 116 degree weather last year and for every degree the atmosphere heats up it can hold %7 more water, Your will see more and more fires which means the earth will heat up even more because the forest tree tops serves as a canopy and absorbs a lot of the suns energy so it doesn't over head the ground. Millions of acres of crops are being destroyed all over the world by the super hot sun. So when we beging to starve to death from overheating and crop failure don't say I didn't warn you. Must be nice to live in the middle of nowhere.
@@garybrunecz7785 You have drank all of the cool aid and are drowning in it. Such a Debbie Downer and I live in the middle of this great nation over an aquifer that is the largest in the entire world...he land in Wyoming is just a vacation property that our entire family uses...
She's right indigenous peoples do take care of the land we take it as our birth right ✅️ That's why we fight for clean water and habitats it's a hard fight but people are starting to pay attention
Those indigenous people you talk about took land from others that existed before them. Only now does weakness aka virtue signaling make people feel strong, until…. Well, you’ll know before 2030.
Truth. Some land here in CA was recently given back to a tribe specifically because of the ways they take care of the land. I felt like it was a gesture, but it was a move in the right direction. #LandBack✊
I was encouraged to see people talking about the massive mistakes that have been made in fire management over the past 100 years. So many of these types of videos are inaccurate and highly misleading, going right to the same old tired story of blaming everything on manmade climate change. I started my fire career in 1989 with what was then CDF and ultimately moved over into law enforcement and fire with the National Park Service. One thing that I learned very early on is that 100 Years of Nationwide fire management doctrine that mandated that all fires Nationwide be kept at less than 5 acres at all costs has led us to the disaster that we're facing today. Forests and grasslands that were once allowed to burn slowly to get rid of the light brush and low hanging limbs on trees we're suddenly put out decade after decade after decade. Now all forests anywhere in the country are all way overgrown in a completely unhealthy manner. That will lead to very significant upgrades in erratic Fire behavior.. And I can't stand when news organizations and activists use the metric of how many houses burn as proof of manmade climate change. The reality is that hundreds of thousands of houses are being built in Wildland areas where once there were no houses. Towards the beginning of this video one Land Management director stated that they weren't up in the forest or the hills in Santa Rosa, they were down in the city. Well, if you look in that part of the video you will see how thick the trees are everywhere and the fact of the matter is that area was forested and tens of thousands of new houses have been built in Santa Rosa just in the past few decades. All of these houses are going to burn because that's where the fire is. People build houses on small mountain and forested lots and there are 50/60/70 trees within 5 or 10 ft of their house and then they want the taxpayers to bail them out when their house burns. We have to have smarter people in charge.
But the Venture Capitalists who bought and profited from cutting crew and wages were doing fine. We should have bankrupted PG&E,bought it for a dollar and returned it to a Utility.
Where I live un Florida, they have prescribed burns that are done in just the right way to maximize the health of the forest. It is done by wildlife biologists who know what they are doing.
Forest management needed again , and I’m not talking about lock it all up forest management !!!! With some google earth and some good over lays of recent fires , you will see that the fires don’t go far beyond a well managed forest . Of course fire is also gold for growth , it can get out of hand when they just lock it all up and let it go to crap !!!
@@user-sh2mk8ew4c - Jim Lee on his channel 'Climate viewer' covers in detail the many programs that are in solved in climate modification. There are so many it will make your head spin. The list of programs and agencies are so numerous, you could never memorize them all. There are reports that some the atmospheric spraying involves dropping coal fly ash, in microscopic sized particles, that when mixed with the soil creates a type of aluminum that is especially flammable. Soil contains aluminum that is so tightly bound, it is not flammable. But the aluminum created in the ground is different. One fire that shows bizarre fire behavior is the South Fire that took place in August 2021 in San Bernardino. It began in grass near highway intersection, and climbed a slope, towards a major forest. Next to the intersection there were about 30 homes, in a spaced out configuration. Once the fire began to climb the slope, and was 100 acres size, there began to appear smoke coming from inside those homes. And several of them burned. The cause was not from an ember cast or the roof would have ignited. The winds were calm at 5 mph and the temps were normal. The type of response for a fire like this might be 30-40 firefighters and 1-2 tankers. Instead were were 500 firefighters dispatched to the fire and 6 large tankers, some flying in from northern California. It took them 24 hours to contain the fire at 700 acres. If you look at videos from brush fires before 1990, you see grass burning slowly. This grass fire, the South Fire, appears to resemble a blast furnace coming from the ground. What is even more shocking, is in many of these large wildland fires, the ground burns so hot, trees can never grow on the soil again. Whatever is happening, has killed off the Sierras and in time, the large fires will make the soil of the Sierras sterile. The trees still standing on the Sierras appear to be fine, but 50% are dead and the other 50% are being deprived of moisture and will die off, then burn, once fire hits. To the extent this is called climate change, fine, but know it is being done by Government agencies.
"Its a fire adapted eco system, its the houses that are not fire adapted" Do you think that a home built in an extreme wildfire WUI should have a more fire resistant building code? Maybe land use rules in these areas need to change. 85% are human caused and the fuel is human provided. Sounds like a human problem. I call it rural living culture. So many people refuse to change.
I live in Lander Wyoming & we average about 12.50 inches of rain snow ❄️🌨️ a year . So when fire 🔥 starts in this area it can be devastating. But still fire is beneficial.
I wonder if anything has changed? We've had towns burn up here in Oregon too. High dry grass, blackberry bushes, dead evergreen sapling thickets are still very, very common and waiting for a spark and some wind.
I was in Portland Oregon last summer when a heat dome settled over the region...114 degrees for 3 days. I headed for the beach where the shellfish were cooked in their tidepools.Than the fires came burning over 500 MILES of forest. These feedback loops are extending all the way to Colorado where millions of trees are dying. And yet the recent Climate Crisis superfund approved by our politicians gave more leasing rights to oil companies. Welcome to the ANNIHILATION GENERATION.
@@tr7b410 Here in the Sierras, and all over the west, you have 4-5 times as many trees than there were before European arrived. They compete for the same water, meaning they all get less. During a prolonged drought, tens of millions of trees die as a result. The native Americans knew fire was good for the land and the forest, which is why they would light fires every year in different areas. European settlers largely stopped that practice in the late 1800s. That and well over a century of firefighting has resulted in horribly overgrown forests. Out local MI Wuk tribe was finally granted permission to conduct prescribed burns in areas of their land, after decades of begging to do it.
@mkay1957 You can whitewash this any way you want =climate change is just starting to show its teeth. As the Artctic heats up permafrost melts releasing tons of methane the short term driver for increased temeratures. It rained a foot a day over Greenland several days last last week.That amount of rainfall & its influence over accelerating meltioff was not anticipated=accelerated rising sea levels. No wonder why insurance companies are pulling out of Florida. So go back to your little office at BP or Chevron & enjoy the carnage you have created.
"Basically it's government logic." And that's the problem with ignorant people in this country. The logic is: preserve at least 5% of some of the oldest forests on earth if for no other reason than they are remarkable to visit.
So were have you been the last 10y where all scientists have come to the sama conclusion - it's worse than expected & we are only at the beginning. and there has been a lot of development in thew 23y since were people choose to stay & move to proven risky areas. Same with flooding, tornadoes etc
The west is burning because of terrible forest management. We must log and clean it. I'm not sat stripping, but with good logging, some fires, and grazing.
I’m making a comparison between the building code and mandatory maintenance in the South and Southwest of France and California for a university paper. The issues are the same. France doesn’t have forest wars but a very active Green Party. The big fire near Bordeaux in 2022 was fuelled by a lack of forest management and the French could learn a lot from te approach in this video. California could learn a lot from the French building code. Wooden houses are not an option, the ground near houses has to be scrubbed, large trees are no allowed near homes, citizens are responsible for the clearing of branches over the roads.
Restoring the natural process is the only way to mitigate the firestorms. Only problem is that the underbrush has been allowed to build up to where a prescribed fire can explode into a wildfire very quickly. There has to be manual clearing of the forest before they can be allowed to burn but they don't have the budget for that so the west burns.
At - 9:17 is an example of how seemingly good people can become sociopaths. As a Caldor fire victim, we found out that the USFS had a policy "let it burn." This was disputed by people that support government and ignore abuse of power under the color of law crimes, aka, human right abuse. Humans now live in the Forests. Even this hypocritical old turd is an example of how the good people of Germany in the ww2 did to those they believed were bad policy for humanity also resulting in the loss of property and human life. There is a special place in hell for these so-called do gooders. If you google the phrase "does the us forest service have a let it burn policy," you will see the the internet is fixed and they hide what this guy says at 9:43 that "fires must be allowed to continue [burn], but they didn't allow that. Perhaps there is a truth for that. But this guy has no problem promoting that philosophy that others run with regardless that a forest fire is a few miles from heavily populated humanity. These environmentalists feel that victims should know what they are getting into, and actually would rather people stay out of the forest. This let it burn policy they say, contradicting this old fart, "does not exist." Yet here you see they promote that it does at 9:43. The USFS has been putting gates on forest roads for decades blocking US Citizens from roaming their country freely, as if the US Forests have the same national security as Area 51. Mainly hunters are aware of this, but this is evident only to them and most people have not clue the USA liberty is being obstructed by non democratic policy from people that shed no tears over loss of human life. These SS type officials lose no sleep. This guy's policy is the catalyst of death for fire victims. "Berkeley," his alma mater, was a place for hippies and the sanctity of peace and freedom. However, these once concerned people people have turned into hard core hegomonists where those who are victims where they hated death in war, now create and author death in forest communities by spreading this tripe without property training or educating the idiots that qualify to make policy during a forest fire. One in this is calling herself a "liberal female from Portland." So, this is "liberal policy." I thought I was liberal. How dare her! People die and lose property next to their sacred forest fires they allow to burn, such as Caldor, Dixie, and Tamarack where the USFS obstructed fire fighters violating "Penal Code Section 148.2 - Interfering with Firemen and Rescue Personnel." See Grant Ingram ua-cam.com/video/E4Fo5ImJWJI/v-deo.html. Now we are dealing with Maui fire, and still people ignore these sick policy makers they blame on logging and "spotted owls" and "climate." As if we can control climate. I can only hope it doesn't take a civil war to stop these insane tyrants that consider human life worthless because they too love living in the forest. USA needs to put aside politics and unite with love!
And then where do the wild life live and the mud slides cause nothing holds the soil u can clean up undegrowth and and fallen power companies that cut right away and leave it is a big problem
The reason why fires are happening more often is because everyone in the cities complain about the smoke and people keep building stuff in fuel rich environments that need to burn naturally. Wildfires have been a natural occurrence and is very beneficial for the environment but people want the put out which increases the fire debt in that area each year it's not burned. As the fire debt increases, the stronger the fire will be once it starts.
30 years huh? I honestly don't believe the earth has that long. People are going to have to start planning for their own survival. Not relying on officials to pull us out of a jam.
You know, for 80% of Earth's history, there has been no ice. No glaciers, no ice at the poles. Much warmer than now. That's normal for the Earth. Forests burn hot because of too much fuel per acre. Fire suppression, logging stopped. Either it's going to burn or be logged. Period.
Like many folks, our family was the 'beneficiary' of the post WWII era (7:55). Everything was new and exciting as the country recovered from the war and stepped into greater industrialization and productivity. In this and other stories they talk about the heat, the drought, the water shortage, the longer, hotter summer, the fact that communities are expanding into areas where the forest and the town mix, creating additional challenges. However the one overarching issue, which took a big leap right after World War 2 is the jump in population. No one likes to talk about it. They get upset. How dare you question their right to have a family? Too many people. That leads to: too much strain on water supplies and overuse of ground water, the impact of consumption of fossil fuels on climate and sea levels, the perceived need to breed draught-resistant crops to feed the World's growing population. All of these things are tied to there being so many people, and so much demand on limited resources. Its a very difficult nut to crack, but it needs to be discussed.
The root of EVERY problem we have is human overpopulation, we now have 333 MILLION people living on the same land area that just 75 million occupied as recently as 1900, just 100 years before that there were about 10 million (NYC today has 8 million alone) and with everyone wanting to immigrate here as "refugees" plus attacks on abortion despite there being almost 200,000 UNWANTED clogging up the foster care system as it is- we will be exponentially adding to that 333 million. If we hadnt had abortion, we would NOW have around 400 million, and more than that when you add in their children having children of their own who in turn have more of their own!. The total number of people in Africa increased from 229 million in 1950 to 630 million in 1990, There are 1.216 billion there as of 2016 and that is unsustainable! In 1950 we were inundated with the photos of pot bellied starving children, despite all the billions and billions in food and aid, that still exists, and it's because the population went from 229 million to 1.2 BILLION in only 66 years! Africa now has 1,350 billion as of October 21, 2020, so despite everything it continues expanding, with it comes more conflicts and habitat destruction, inevitably every one of the large predators (lions, tigers) and large land animals that require hundreds of square miles of habitat to roam- elephants etc will become extinct. Instead of letting nature take care of the problem we shipped massive amounts of food there and aid, and all that did was contribute to the population going from 229 million to 1.350 BILLION in only 66 years!
Just how would you go about denying people the right to life? To procreate, to grow? It's poor planing by a host of agencies that don't want to spend the money on such things. Strain on the water supplies? 70% of earth is water, the most abundant substance on the planet. It's lack of storage & efficient use of said water, partly because of man's insistence on settling where it isn't in sufficient supply. But there are ways around that. And I could go on & on. LedHed Pb 207.20 🎶 🎸 🎹
@@williamhiles7404 Well if you can find a way to desalinate all that seawater you'll be money ahead. As far as the "right to life" that's more a throwback to the "manifest destiny" way of thinking back when the country was being taken over from Natives. People should have the right to live well, but they have the CHOICE not to have endless kids thinking angels will float down and save everyone from dying of the heat.
I think it's less about the number of people and more about the lifestyle. Here in the US, we haven't had to consider the possibility of limited resources of any type until fairly recently. We water our thirsty lawns and cement too much, throw away tons of uneaten or spoiled food, not to mention all the packaging and plastic bags thrown out, clothes change with the season, as do decorations and geegaws. Just think about how full your trash bin is each week, and recycling, too. Since that may or may not be going where you actually think it's going. When I went to France a number of years ago, I noticed that they owned and bought less clothes, and they were better quality. There were small markets, bakeries, etc, in most neighborhoods, which had fresh goods and much less plastic. Also, the metro/train system went most places. If people in this country all suddenly decided to work toward sustainability, closed loop production/up cycle/recycle, permaculture, changed from consumerism/consumption oriented economy to the next level, (learned science....), this could be done. In fact, just imagine if the trolls, all the various incarnations, suddenly focused their energies on problem solving, seeking/working on solutions for our various problems. 🤔🌎🌏🌍🏞️🌌
The guy saying concrete and steel structures are more harmful to the environment kinda triggered me. Totally bold and over the top statement. I get finding a market for smaller timber and trying to market it, but to say building a skyscraper out of wood is more environmentally friendly than steel or concrete is completely asinine. I appreciate the collaborative effort shown to manage forest service and to whole heartedly include the timber industry and refocus their goals to be in collaboration, but that statement put makes everyone’s efforts look like morons.
You may want to look up what concrete and steel water runoff does for our environment. Also what does it do to the environment when you produce concrete and steel? Do you think concrete and steel break down naturally like wood? ua-cam.com/video/pAghNloeD5Y/v-deo.html
It should be illegal to built a house from combustible materials in an area where fire is a possibility. Use steel framing, rock wool insulation, steel roof, cement board sheathing and window covers like in Germany. Watch the risk of fire damage go away.
Maybe make it legal to reduce the fire danger near populated areas by thinning trees and removing brush. Liberals are more worried about saving an endangered bird or lizard than saving lives and property. Having fire resistant homes won't help much when these fires burn so fiercely that even glass and aluminum melt.
I was in John Day 25 years ago. The mills were getting some logs out of New Zealand just to try to stay operational while all around the area were thousands of acres of over ripe, dying forests. The US Forest Service is the WORST land managers on the planet. The Soviets do a better job
In places like Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, they built and build houses out of kiln fired red terracotta blocks, stucco'd on the exterior, and the roofs are not black gasoline (asphalt shingles) but are in fact also kiln fired terracotta tile, the walls are substantially thick, they are superior construction and highly fire resistant.
The wild fires are made much larger and out of control because everything is so dry. There isn't enough moisture in the soil, there isn't enough moisture in the vegetation. One thing we need to do is move water from the ocean back inland to places we need it. The natural water cycle can't refill aquifers that were filled thousands of years ago by melting glaciers after the last ice age. Big problems need big solutions. The biggest idea I am trying to express is tunneling aqueducts from the coast, in this case the west coast of the USA inland to feed combination geothermal power and sea water desalination plants. The idea seems to be so big that no one has considered it possible but I believe it is not only possible but it is necessary. For over a century the fossil water contained in aquifers has been pumped out to feed agriculture, industry and municipal water needs. The natural water cycle cant refill fossil water deposits that were filled 10,000 years ago when the glaciers melted after the last ice age. Without refilling these aquifers there is not much of a future for the region of the United states. As a result ground levels in some areas of the San Joaquin Valley have subsided by more than 30 feet. Similar fossil water depletion is happening in other regions all around the world. TBM and tunneling technology has matured and further developments in the industry are poised to speed up the tunneling process and it's these tunnels that are the only way to move large volumes of water from the ocean inland. The water is moved inland to areas where it can be desalinated in geothermal plants producing clean water and power. In many cases the water will recharge surface reservoirs where it will be used first to make more hydro power before being released into rivers and canal systems. It's very important however to not stop tunneling at these first stops but to continue several legs until the water has traveled from the ocean under mountain ranges to interior states. Along the way water will flow down grade through tunnels and rise in geothermal loops to fill mountain top pumped hydro batteries several times before eventually recharging several major aquifers. What I am proposing is essentially reversing the flow of the Colorado River Compact. Bringing water from the coast of California first to mountaintop reservoirs then to the deserts of Nevada and Arizona and on to Utah, New Mexico, Colorado and Wyoming. This big idea looks past any individual city or states problems and looks at the whole and by using first principles identifies the actual problem and only solution. Thank you for your time, I would like the opportunity to explain in further detail and answer any questions. A better future is possible,
And nobody gives a like, but me. Just goes to show that people are so set in their ways, that can't even begin to try new things that might help. Yeah, it would be very expensive and an engineering challenge, but we're Americans, we can do just about anything, right? The alternative is more of the same, getting worse and costing us much more, in more ways than one. LedHed Pb 207.20 🎶 🎸 🎹
@@williamhiles7404 Yes. We are Americans. Why can't we do this. We built the Erie Canal. we built the Panama canal. why cant we build infrastructure anymore?
We have similar problems here in Oregon. Our woods are choked with fuel which resulted in huge wildfires taking out entire towns. You'd think the first priority would be treating a large area around each town, but that still doesn't seem to be happening.
Why don’t you put info out asking for volunteers to help manage woodlands ?? Even fuel reduction projects hell give me a saw to use and I’d gladly go help manage lands !! There’s no one asking for people to help and I no for a fact I could find you 20 people now who would help manage lands especially if the state or federal government just provided tools and saws ie. equipment to do thinning ect where it don’t cost the person who is volunteering there time to help . Also if you ask me this is were there should be early out programs for non violent prison inmates to work in the forests doing needed projects and earning a early out . Open certain parts of the forest to low impact camping that you would be allowed to cut marked trees down , burn downed timber for camping . I would mark off a area have a large camp outing so it’s way more controlled and where you have people to help if anything got out of hand .try it !!!! Try a marked area and advertise it and see what happens I think you would be suprised if you had free camping in exchange you work so many hours thinning out areas your camping in with forest rangers so it’s controlled
National Forrest areas already have free camping for 2 weeks in undeveloped areas. Providing tools to random people has risks such as them injuring themselves with a chainsaw or trees falling wrong and landing on people. Or getting the tree that they cut hung up and leaving it. There are already people getting permits to cut trees down such as for firewood. Are the volunteer folks going to cut the trees which are invasive, widow maker diseased/hung up trees or the biggest choicest healthiest trees which are closest to roads?
@@stefhirsch6922 I agree, but he does have a point about the asking for help part. The majority of guys doing this dangerous work are underpaid, or doing volunteer work. There really is just little to no incentive to go out there, and nobody has been able to change that. For anyone outside of bc or cali it's like volunteering abroad, except with way more danger and generally harsher conditions. It's also mostly shorter terms, limiting your job opportunities outside of that work.
I can't remember exactly, but I believe we filmed that part in or near Snoqualmie Pass between Seattle and Cle Elum, WA. And you're right, that's the sound of the highway in the background, unfortunately.
I remember the Yellowstone fire of 88. Where for decades fires 🔥🔥 we're suppressed & because of that thinking 🤔 when Yellowstone had drought for years, & when Forest fires come they cleaned the Park 🏞️ & that was beneficial. In hindsight.
Aprox minute 5:26… isn’t that what the department of natural resources is for, and all of the other federal state and local, such as borough of land management all of them I thought that’s what they did. That’s what they’re supposed to be doing.
Well done. Over all I can't complain about this video. I'm glad the whole man made climate change about fossil fuel wasn't the hammer. Years ago my hubby and I were up in the pan handle of Idaho, we crossed the border from Montana on Hwy 2 and it was like this line was drawn. The dead and literally 3-4 foot deep slag and dried fuel all over the floors of the forest there was mind blowing. I'm not sure if that went up in smoke since then but it was a disaster waiting to happen. We said, why don't they work with people who need fire wood to help clean this out?! I still don't know why that didn't get mentioned. There are people out there who would rather take dead wood than big logs for their winter fire reserve. Get them in board, free fuel for labor to clean those places out. Anyways, the only thing I would disagree with on this is the most important point. God made the earth, He designed its systems. He took over when we used used used and abused. I'm sure He's glad we're getting it together, His way is the best. But, it's not because we figured anything out, it's because we had no choice but to see the truth. Humanity is great at learning once it's too late.
Maybe the non stop aerial atmospheric spraying, that acts as a desiccant to the atmosphere, the ground cover, plants and trees, can be stopped. The idea there is some dead brush on the ground is nothing new. That is hardly a rich factor. 9 except for the MSM and sound bites ) . That is NOT why ground fires are turning 5,800 homes in Santa Rosa, CA to white ash in 90 minutes.
In Montana the beetle kill is so bad. They have created so much dead trees in the forests of western Montana. There was a fire last year around Helena and Townsend that exploded with wildfire and it’s only going to get worse year over year.
A small part of the issue is builders creating subdivisions close to forests, which, decades ago, might have been allowed to burn, but now must be put out fast. That suppression of the fuel burn off, is part of the issue. A larger issue is weather and atmospheric modification programs. If you study how extensive this is, you find a list of agencies and programs that goes on and on. Some create clouds via steam, other agencies have atmospheric heaters all over the landscape from Anchorage to El Paso to Columbus, Ohio. The sky and atmosphere is layered with planes carrying to these modification missions, to deliver chemicals or aerosols that serve who knows what purposes, as nearly all shrouded in secrecy. Who knows what other nations are doing to modify the weather and atmosphere, but massive sums are being spent and the public kept in the dark.
did you people ever here about concrete blocks , stone , metal roof trusses = clay tile roofs, i see they are still stick framing as cheap as possible, pass stronger building codes
The attorney lady lives in Portland and has never seen old growth trees!? she must live under a rock. literally drive any direction from Portland and you’ll eventually see trees wider than cars.. that’s an old growth. I can’t say I’ve ever heard of a forest containing only old growth.
Watching this as Yosemite burns out of control. Now that the budget is starting to grow, could the forestry service & firefighters expand their manpower pool by aggressively recruiting at homeless shelters in West Coast states? That could help solve both problems at the same time.
That actually might work with some decent supervision. Not stereotyping, but being outside, moving/walking is a thing for some schizophrenics. Like I said, it would take some savvy management, though. Another group that might benefit doing this would be those in detention. CA already has their firefighters, create some forest management teams, including livestock, goats, sheep. They need better pay, though. I have as much respect for them as for the other firefighters.
I was taught in the 60's and 70's the importance of fire at the natural history museums as a kid. It goes to show how public policy is not in line with science.
Being important doesn't mean the fire has to be everywhere. The leftist green policy is destroying the west.
Fortunately, all that carbon which we had stored by stopping the forest management of lumbering was returned to the atmosphere for the plants to use.
I think it has to do with the “American mindset.” The “me, me, me” mindset, versus what’s best for the community.
Examples:
- Prescribed burns being fought against by homeowners in the area due to the inconvenience of smoke/fear of the unknown
- Land owners landscaping their properties the way THEY want to, rather than what is best for fighting fire/stopping the spread of fire within a community.
- Building in fire prone areas because all the safer areas have been developed, even though we know where fires tend to be most dangerous
Only once communities and individuals work together on this issue as a community, rather than individually, will we see results. Until then, the “me, me, me” mindset Americans have will continue to be their downfall.
Exactly. I heard this decades ago. The politicians evidently haven't got the message yet.
@@gd2234_ Actually, the biggest roadblock to prescribed burns has been the USFS and BLM. That, and the USFS and their environmentalist allies halting logging in many areas.
I had a forestry class as a college elective back in the 80s. Way back then, the professor said that the forests had 4-5 times as many trees as there were before Europeans arrived. There are a lot of areas here in the Sierras where you cannot walk through the forest, because there is so much undergrowth like young trees, brush and dead trees and branches all over the ground.
As far as living in fire prone areas, most of California and much of the west are fire prone. Based on the logic of trying to keep people out of fire prone areas, why not get people out of areas that have a history of earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, flooding landslides, tsunamis, or any other natural type of natural disaster.
There would not be many places to live.
Besides, many people do not want to live in fukked up urban cesspools.
Refreshing to see acceptance of the necessity for restoring the active management of natural land: the hands-off approach might seem good in theory but it can lead to disastrous consequences. Also the acceptance that human encroachment is partly to blame for the increased issue.
I'm copying and pasting this comment I left on another fire video. It applies just the same here.
This the Paradise California, Dallas Texas Boulder Colorado and many other "Wildfires" are PLASMA and or DEW directed energy weapon fires in the last several years.
The Earth's poles shifting causing the magnetic shielding to shut down letting in cosmic rays creating spontaneous PLASMA fires.
In all these years our LEADERS and MSM have been silent about these plasma fires blaming them on "CLIMATE CHANGE" caused by us using fossil fuels, raising crops, livestock AND cowfarts.
They also have several directed energy weapons
DEW's or and technologies to create any kind of weather anywhere in the world, flooding, droughts, tornadoes all of them including fires and earthquakes.
They can direct this incoming cosmic rays energy caused by the Earth's poles shifting with HAARP, HAMMER, SMACC or solar magnetic amplification causative configurator and start these PLASMA DEW fires which is what this and many other fires our the last several years.
They could easily stop the droughts here in the US by using their rainmaking technologies but they don't.
Why don't they tell us why these trees are burning from the inside out, cars engine blocks wheels glass melting into rivulets on the pavement far away from trees or any fuel source? Etc.
They let us suffer and tell us it's caused by us .
Wake up and research all of this.
We need to stand up en masse NOW against all this tyrannical BS overtaking OUR world or we're finished.
Watch some of Jeff Snyder2's UA-cam channel videos. He's probably getting the most relevant information out there that I've seen in these fires the last several years.
All the bad weather events in the last 10-20 years or more have also been caused by our LEADERS technologies that we paid for them to learn, build and use against us.
Please wake up and research this stuff. God bless all of you and your families.
active management was demonized at one point by california law markers due the practices close connection with game hunters.
@@tjboyd3227 actually....
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There were a hell of a lot more little towns dotted all over the northwest (where I live) 100 years ago compared to today. Little towns like Burke, Grand Forks, Taft, etc… “encroached” a lot more than any town today.
At 31:30, that old man says it best. He is exactly right in what needs to happen. This coming from a firefighter in California who is on a lot of this large fires.
I'm surprised we haven't talked about this in schools. I remember cal fire coming to out schools but they never mention about control fires.
Agree 100%. The issue is that for over a half-century the USFS timber management was set-up like a business. By that I mean parcels were auctioned off for logging, with the timber industry bidding for the lot, then reaping whatever profit they could make. This doesn't work much anymore, at least not in the same way, as a great, great many acres don't have enough valuable timber, and what really needs to be taken out is underbrush, scrag, downed trees, small trees, and such, leaving large trees, which simply isn't profitable for the industry.
Therefore, the USFS needs to not sell, but give away parcels as a loss-leader of sorts. Paying the timber industry to clear out this underbrush for free, or close to it, with the USFS taking a loss. This is antithetical to nearly 100 years of thinking, and not in the mindset of people my age (50) and older who grew up in the old-school system of harvesting. But the loss the USFS incurs from giving away such parcels for the industry to properly clean up, would be pennies in the dollar compared to the absolute loss of these devastating fires.
Finally a film that do pay some attention to the big picture rather than just annoucing or commenting stupidly about a fire somewhere and shrug it as usually. Well done, I expect more of these kind of films in the future. I know a lot of people just want to ignore the situation and forget about just any fire like oh it's no big deal until the next fire comes and then again just forget it again an again. Or you have the wise people who understand what's going on and make a film out of it.
Yea, this was real good.
couldn't help noticing that ppl are immediately building more 100% wooden houses exactly where the last ones just burned to the ground - am I missing something here?
It is rather stupid.
You’re missing that the average person is stubbornly, incessantly and fatally STUPID. And there are millions of them !!!
The Biggest Problem is the Government People setting on their Big Fat Rumps in Washington D C who have never given enough to Forest Management, they waste the Tax on their own :Pet Projects instead! Wake up, this Damage can be stopped if Washington D C gets off their RUMPS and Fund the Forest Management Departments. But, they do not lose their homes and towns, so they do not give a damn about the "West Burning". We in America have a Very Greedy Government! Stop closing our Mills, start doing 50 percent cutting all over our Forests and sell all that lumber before a Fire destroys it. Any Child can tell you of Washington D C that. Your College Degree sent your Washington D C noses high into the air.
No. The non stop aerial atmospheric spraying is normal. It was happening in the 1700's when the American fighting forces were landing planes at east coast airports.
@@maxsmith695 Dude, heroin is bad for your brain.....
I understand the market for timber was what it was back then…. but man I sure hate seeing those old photos of the loggers cutting down those old trees. If you pay close enough attention to the trees in those photos, they were massive. I sure wish I could have seen them. You guys on the West Coast still have some old growth forests left in certain areas of that part of the country. Over here on the East Coast, they are much more rare, usually found in smaller areas that loggers simply could not get to, like areas in the Allegheny and Appalachian Mountains. I can only imagine what the wilderness and wildlife was like before European settlers came.
I'd imagine it would be like areas of India, China, the Middle East and the Mediterranean before human history started 12,000+ yrs ago. All those ancient forests cut down and used to build civilization, smelt iron or copper or bronze. Seriously, why did those ancients destroy all those forests, flora and fauna?
I can show you tons of old growth in Oregon and California. The problem is the forests of the west have been abandoned since the Clinton years, decommissioned roads and no salvage/thinning logging on federal lands create a lot of fuel load that takes fire into the canopy of the big trees. I live by the biggest trees in the country that fire is destroying more than loggers ever would and more frequent than when logging was going on, logging just isn't about old growth, it is about management, we see the changes year after year now my childhood home is gone as result of no management. I'm sorry logging photos bother you, maybe I could post pictures of 200-foot flames killing trees instead.
@@MrTRex777 The Smokey the Bear campaigns started in 1950. LONG before Clinton was even thought of for office, and the Forestry Dept had LONG adopted fire suppression over letting natural fires burn before the 90s. That campaign is the start of the issue. So, before you go political about it.. you should really see when all this started, which was even covered in the documentary itself. The point is, logging was going unchecked and needed to be checked before there wasno old growth left. That old growth of slow growing MASSIVE trees is/was key to having natural fire resilliancy. That said, as with everything there's give/take both ways, and we need to work to get back to a situation where natural fires can burn without causing millions of acres to burn out of control every year taking out entire towns in the process.
We are only JUST beginning to try and resolve the issues of 7 decades of fire suppression. 70 years of reduced logging that shuttered loads of companies in the process that could have been part of the solution. It's going to take time, effort and new companies across the country. All of these issues made worse by the Wildlife Urban Interface expanding making it even more difficult to rectify the issue. All of these issues are only REALLY addressing Federal forests, not privately owned acerage, so you can also thank private land owners for not managing their properties too.
@@MrTRex777 I understand your frustration. Smaller, controlled burns and thinning will mean that when fires do occur, they won't be intense enough to kill so many trees. Those large trees can survive if fires are smaller and managed. You probably know that, but some viewers might not.
@@tabaxikhajit4541 That's right. We're meant to act as stewards of this planet, and we've done a poor job with many aspects of that.
I know this documentary was made in 2018 before the Camp Fire because the Camp Fire made the Tubbs Fire look like a bonfire.
The Carr Fire too same year
All done by dew weapons
I'm copying and pasting this comment I left on another fire video. It applies just the same here.
This the Paradise California, Dallas Texas Boulder Colorado and many other "Wildfires" are PLASMA and or DEW directed energy weapon fires in the last several years.
The Earth's poles shifting causing the magnetic shielding to shut down letting in cosmic rays creating spontaneous PLASMA fires.
In all these years our LEADERS and MSM have been silent about these plasma fires blaming them on "CLIMATE CHANGE" caused by us using fossil fuels, raising crops, livestock AND cowfarts.
They also have several directed energy weapons
DEW's or and technologies to create any kind of weather anywhere in the world, flooding, droughts, tornadoes all of them including fires and earthquakes.
They can direct this incoming cosmic rays energy caused by the Earth's poles shifting with HAARP, HAMMER, SMACC or solar magnetic amplification causative configurator and start these PLASMA DEW fires which is what this and many other fires our the last several years.
They could easily stop the droughts here in the US by using their rainmaking technologies but they don't.
Why don't they tell us why these trees are burning from the inside out, cars engine blocks wheels glass melting into rivulets on the pavement far away from trees or any fuel source? Etc.
They let us suffer and tell us it's caused by us .
Wake up and research all of this.
We need to stand up en masse NOW against all this tyrannical BS overtaking OUR world or we're finished.
Watch some of Jeff Snyder2's UA-cam channel videos. He's probably getting the most relevant information out there that I've seen in these fires the last several years.
All the bad weather events in the last 10-20 years or more have also been caused by our LEADERS technologies that we paid for them to learn, build and use against us.
Please wake up and research this stuff. God bless all of you and your families.
The creek and dixie fires made the camp fire look like a bonfire 🔥 .. the desertification of California is engineered thats what they won't talk about
@@Diesel0807 FEW KNOW. DEW you see it. Video we have about just what your talking about ua-cam.com/video/TMQUJwRytwY/v-deo.html
#Anonymous 3301
as a non certified and ex volunteer wildfire fighter and logger who actually has pride value and respect for our forests.
Im proud to see awareness finally being made a priority and talked about because i have seen both sides of argument and subject witch both have Merit but its time to start seeing things differently and done differently because fire and logging do have its benefits too it but it also has many disadvantages to that need to be addressed in order to move forward into the future because we will always need wood and will need our forests to be strong and healthy witch is what we as ppl and our forests are lacking.
In places like Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, they built and build houses out of kiln fired red terracotta blocks, stucco'd on the exterior, and the roofs are not black gasoline (asphalt shingles) but are in fact also kiln fired terracotta tile, the walls are substantially thick, they are superior construction and highly fire resistant.
That’s because you people are so much smarter.
Terracotta masonry and high seismic areas do not mix.
It seems that the idea of wooden cabins caught hold early on in people having houses in the woods, probably because it's a ready resource. However, now people in fire prone areas need to think of alternatives. Brick construction isn't the best with our earthquakes, but perhaps reinforced concrete, block or stucco would work. A lot of cabins now have steel/metal roofs, which are at least fire resistant.
I'm not a big fan of the "black gasoline" asphalt shingles myself, nor of the various flammable wood building products which go into making our houses/apartment complexes and strip malls such tinder boxes. Hopefully the coming generations will be able to fix this idiocy. They have a better grasp on the ideas of conservation and finite resources than the baby boomers.
Its a good thing you have no background or understanding in masonry construction, building codes or general engineering principles, or we americans might be inclined to take offense
Yep and you clearly don’t understand much about how specific and regional construction and building materials has to be for dozens of reasons.
I started my California fire fighting career in 1988 and retired 2020. When I first started the wildfires back then got to 90,000 acres it was considered a massive fire. 2020 a wildfire reaches 700,000 acres is a massive fire. The differences I saw during my career was as follows:
1988 we did prescribe burns during fall and winter. There were less people and communities in the forest. We were able to use bulldozers to put in fire breaks. There were drought years.
2020: very few or no prescribe burns. More people living in the mountain areas which makes human factor of starting fires whether intentional or accidental higher. Stricter environmentalist regulations meaning no or very few fire breaks. I feel humans have a big part of these fires getting big. I know the temperatures have been record breaking and high winds. This maybe global warming or climate change. Remember we have only been recording weather accurately since 1880. Yes they recorded before 1880 but it was very limited and not as accurate. With that being said how do we know that maybe this heat and type of weather comes every thousand years? We need to go back to prescribe burning and making fire breaks to keep the fires smaller. The people who live in the mountains really need to keep at least 100 ft clearance around their house!
Take a look at HAARP an$ The patents owned by Bill Gates! It’s a rather Coincidental series of circumstances!
Democrats are not your friends.
STUPID DENIAL BS
The forests here in the Sierra are horribly overgrown, plus we had a 5 year drought that killed an estimated 180,000,000 trees.
Politicians like to call these fire we have had the last few years "unprecedented" and "climate fires".
Fires of this size are unprecedented in modern times, but scientific researchers in the UC system have determined that before Europeans arrived, an average of 4,000,000 acres used to burn in California every year. And about once every 30 years or so, up to 11,800,000 acres would burn in a year.
It doesn't help that USFS sometimes doesn't jump on fires right away. They screwed the pooch on the Rim Fire, the Angora Fire, the Tamarack Fire, the Caldor Fire, and others. It is the entirely the fault of forest management, and certainly not the USFS firefighters. Plus, sometimes they won't let CalFire fight wildfires until they get out of hand.
@@mkay1957The fire in Australia in 2019 you could fit the UK inside it... about 40 deaths, 1 billion animals died, 7000 homeless it travelled about 1km per minuet the dry grass was it`s main fuel sauce in cleared forests where it would normally be wet/damp from under growth.......
I love you all Santa Rosa. I hated leaving my family behind. Michigan is now my home. Keep doing your best everyone. And I continue to pray for the best.
amazing what benefits result for all when MATURE folk sit down and discuss issues with open minds, well done to all involved.
4:30 - Basically the summary of the liberal dilemma, "protect the forests, stop the cows, stop logging, create major forest fires."
It was nice to see different perspectives. Doing this for a living for most of my life has given me a viewpoint that is very difficult to share without stirring a hornets' nest with ignorant, biased, and/or political players. There is a lot more to this mess that we created -with the very best of intentions (in most cases). The consolidation of viewpoints presented here-when properly balanced- can provide a great start to healing the land with which we are called to provide sound stewardship as it returns that care to us. Moderation in implementation and establishing scientific solutions without emotion will go a long way.
Thank you. I support everything. You just said. You have been boots on the ground. You are the expert because you have been eyewitness. Thank you for your service.
@@beehappycoleman7159 Thank you. It means a lot to me. Ironically- your response came at a very well timed moment. I just finished doing a pretty good size control burn in some noxious and invasive fuels. The result of the burn will be a seeding operation of indigenous wildflowers to supply the owner pollen for...Honey Bees!
So... Bee happy Coleman! We're gonna' see some awesome things happening out here. Bee safe- and enjoy your healing environment.
Tell that to environmentalists, who run largely on emotions and feelz.
@@mkay1957 your statement seems like a very emotional response. Luckily facts don't care about your fee-fees.
Phenomenal content!
I know on the east coast, some of my friends are in the logging business, as lumber jacks and skid drivers. And their thinning Forest in NY and chipping up everything but the best logs, and Canada buy's the chips and uses them in power plants.to make electricity, that seems a lot better than paying people to risk their own lives to put out a fire, that Will soom enough burn again sometime in the future. I am now 40 miles from the mosquito fire, and I'm going to start really packing up for the last time, 19 years in grass valley CA. And it's only gotten worse. And the smoke is a real hard thing to deal with
Remember......."Build back better!" Remember..........."You will own nothing and be happy!" Remember..........."We're all in this together!" Remember!
I’m convinced climate change activists or land grabbers set these fires
I help fight these fires and I’ve seen it do things that most ppl wouldn’t believe and I strongly believe that we must manage these landscapes better on a bigger scale and more efficient and often it would dramatically increase our ability to get ahead of these fires and contain them in a more efficient and faster way
Agreed, although I think part of the point of the film is that if we can get out ahead of these fires with better, more holistic land management practices that are cross-boundary, we won't need to contain them all so aggressively. They can then do good work for us as they would naturally in healthier ecosystems (at least in places where fire is a common and healthy part of ecosystem function).
Agreed. Well said both of you.
We have land West of Laramie Wyoming and that land went through a fire 2 years ago. The fire came up to 5 feet from our dwelling. Now the land is so very beautiful, green, and you would never think that a fire went through. The only thing that we don't now have that we had before the fire is the dead tinder that burned. All of that is now gone. When the pine beatles came through and killed all of the pine trees, the forest service took all of the larger trees out but they left all of the trees that were 3 to 5 inches in diameter and they were standing fuel for the fire. That is now gone completely. Nature got rid of it for us. Fire is just a part of nature and leaving all of the down and dead fuel around is just dumb...
This is how savannahs are created.
You won't feel this way when all the fresh water rivers finish drying up and millions are starving because the sun burnt most of the crops like is happening right now. Wait until we get into a nuclear war in the near future. We will see just how great living things recover. We don't even have enough fresh water for all the farmers in California. The rivers are depleted severely. You can't release 2000 unnatural nuclear warheads into the atmosphere and billions of gallons of petroleum toxins and chemicals from industires and constant wars and piss and crap in the rivers that run into the ocean and thing mother nature is going to come out smelling like a rose. Wyoming has very little to burn its a lot of open nothing. We had a fire take out the south side of the columbia river gorge years ago and it still looks like a dead zone. We had 116 degree weather last year and for every degree the atmosphere heats up it can hold %7 more water, Your will see more and more fires which means the earth will heat up even more because the forest tree tops serves as a canopy and absorbs a lot of the suns energy so it doesn't over head the ground. Millions of acres of crops are being destroyed all over the world by the super hot sun. So when we beging to starve to death from overheating and crop failure don't say I didn't warn you. Must be nice to live in the middle of nowhere.
@@garybrunecz7785 You have drank all of the cool aid and are drowning in it. Such a Debbie Downer and I live in the middle of this great nation over an aquifer that is the largest in the entire world...he land in Wyoming is just a vacation property that our entire family uses...
@@tr7b410 Thank you. Nice to know...
@@davidcurtis5398 I’m not
"The West is Burning". This documentary can be recommended every summer year after year. Always relevant.
Greetings from Toronto Canada 🇨🇦, great work..
Great production great perspectives. I wonder how to get more people aware and active?
great program on collaborative problem mitigation. could easily be an annual program i'd think, given how fire is now part of the landscape.
She's right indigenous peoples do take care of the land we take it as our birth right ✅️ That's why we fight for clean water and habitats it's a hard fight but people are starting to pay attention
Those indigenous people you talk about took land from others that existed before them. Only now does weakness aka virtue signaling make people feel strong, until…. Well, you’ll know before 2030.
you're given all that dude, demand your elders show where the money is going... hint there's a lot more than you think
Truth. Some land here in CA was recently given back to a tribe specifically because of the ways they take care of the land. I felt like it was a gesture, but it was a move in the right direction.
#LandBack✊
Aboriginal people have been doing it for 1000s of years... a serious life lesson could be learnt of them....
Lots of sheep and goats well managed does wonders to reduce fire load
People are finally catching on to this, thank God. 😊
I was encouraged to see people talking about the massive mistakes that have been made in fire management over the past 100 years. So many of these types of videos are inaccurate and highly misleading, going right to the same old tired story of blaming everything on manmade climate change. I started my fire career in 1989 with what was then CDF and ultimately moved over into law enforcement and fire with the National Park Service. One thing that I learned very early on is that 100 Years of Nationwide fire management doctrine that mandated that all fires Nationwide be kept at less than 5 acres at all costs has led us to the disaster that we're facing today. Forests and grasslands that were once allowed to burn slowly to get rid of the light brush and low hanging limbs on trees we're suddenly put out decade after decade after decade. Now all forests anywhere in the country are all way overgrown in a completely unhealthy manner. That will lead to very significant upgrades in erratic Fire behavior.. And I can't stand when news organizations and activists use the metric of how many houses burn as proof of manmade climate change. The reality is that hundreds of thousands of houses are being built in Wildland areas where once there were no houses. Towards the beginning of this video one Land Management director stated that they weren't up in the forest or the hills in Santa Rosa, they were down in the city. Well, if you look in that part of the video you will see how thick the trees are everywhere and the fact of the matter is that area was forested and tens of thousands of new houses have been built in Santa Rosa just in the past few decades. All of these houses are going to burn because that's where the fire is. People build houses on small mountain and forested lots and there are 50/60/70 trees within 5 or 10 ft of their house and then they want the taxpayers to bail them out when their house burns. We have to have smarter people in charge.
But the Venture Capitalists who bought and profited from cutting crew and wages were doing fine.
We should have bankrupted PG&E,bought it for a dollar and returned it to a Utility.
We have to manage our forests for future generations.
Where I live un Florida, they have prescribed burns that are done in just the right way to maximize the health of the forest. It is done by wildlife biologists who know what they are doing.
Forest management needed again , and I’m not talking about lock it all up forest management !!!! With some google earth and some good over lays of recent fires , you will see that the fires don’t go far beyond a well managed forest . Of course fire is also gold for growth , it can get out of hand when they just lock it all up and let it go to crap !!!
This was a fantastic documentary
Fire is as important to the health of wild lands as rain and sun.
What about aerial atmospheric spraying?
And when the rain is suppressed and or redirected, the problems multiply.
@@maxsmith695 It is the fire that has been suppressed. It is known colloquially as The Smokey Bear Effect.
@@maxsmith695 That is the 1 topic that NEVER comes up in any of the videos about these massive “Fires” or “climate change”.
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@@user-sh2mk8ew4c - Jim Lee on his channel 'Climate viewer' covers in detail the many programs that are in solved in climate modification. There are so many it will make your head spin. The list of programs and agencies are so numerous, you could never memorize them all.
There are reports that some the atmospheric spraying involves dropping coal fly ash, in microscopic sized particles, that when mixed with the soil creates a type of aluminum that is especially flammable.
Soil contains aluminum that is so tightly bound, it is not flammable. But the aluminum created in the ground is different.
One fire that shows bizarre fire behavior is the South Fire that took place in August 2021 in San Bernardino.
It began in grass near highway intersection, and climbed a slope, towards a major forest. Next to the intersection there were about 30 homes, in a spaced out configuration.
Once the fire began to climb the slope, and was 100 acres size, there began to appear smoke coming from inside those homes.
And several of them burned. The cause was not from an ember cast or the roof would have ignited.
The winds were calm at 5 mph and the temps were normal.
The type of response for a fire like this might be 30-40 firefighters and 1-2 tankers.
Instead were were 500 firefighters dispatched to the fire and 6 large tankers, some flying in from northern California. It took them 24 hours to contain the fire at 700 acres.
If you look at videos from brush fires before 1990, you see grass burning slowly. This grass fire, the South Fire, appears to resemble a blast furnace coming from the ground.
What is even more shocking, is in many of these large wildland fires, the ground burns so hot, trees can never grow on the soil again.
Whatever is happening, has killed off the Sierras and in time, the large fires will make the soil of the Sierras sterile. The trees still standing on the Sierras appear to be fine, but 50% are dead and the other 50% are being deprived of moisture and will die off, then burn, once fire hits.
To the extent this is called climate change, fine, but know it is being done by Government agencies.
It was a sad day that this could happened in US..
"Its a fire adapted eco system, its the houses that are not fire adapted" Do you think that a home built in an extreme wildfire WUI should have a more fire resistant building code? Maybe land use rules in these areas need to change. 85% are human caused and the fuel is human provided. Sounds like a human problem. I call it rural living culture. So many people refuse to change.
I live in Lander Wyoming & we average about 12.50 inches of rain snow ❄️🌨️ a year . So when fire 🔥 starts in this area it can be devastating. But still fire is beneficial.
Why this is recommended to me only 3 days after i had to evacuate due to a wildfire, i do not know. still gonna watch it.
Aussie here. Research victor steffensen. Aboriginal whom does cultural burns and cool burn management.
I wonder if anything has changed? We've had towns burn up here in Oregon too. High dry grass, blackberry bushes, dead evergreen sapling thickets are still very, very common and waiting for a spark and some wind.
In this part of the country we have problems with pine bark beetle's. They can devestat a forest in short order.
I was in Portland Oregon last summer when a heat dome settled over the region...114 degrees for 3 days.
I headed for the beach where the shellfish were cooked in their tidepools.Than the fires came burning over 500 MILES of forest.
These feedback loops are extending all the way to Colorado where millions of trees are dying.
And yet the recent Climate Crisis superfund approved by our politicians gave more leasing rights to oil companies.
Welcome to the ANNIHILATION GENERATION.
This is a utter lie. climate crisis my ass.
Trees are dying by the tens of millions in Colorado because of some type of bark beetle.
@mkay1957 The decrease in water which the trees need to create their sap=a natural insecticide,allows beetle,s easy acress.
@@tr7b410 Here in the Sierras, and all over the west, you have 4-5 times as many trees than there were before European arrived. They compete for the same water, meaning they all get less. During a prolonged drought, tens of millions of trees die as a result.
The native Americans knew fire was good for the land and the forest, which is why they would light fires every year in different areas. European settlers largely stopped that practice in the late 1800s. That and well over a century of firefighting has resulted in horribly overgrown forests.
Out local MI Wuk tribe was finally granted permission to conduct prescribed burns in areas of their land, after decades of begging to do it.
@mkay1957 You can whitewash this any way you want =climate change is just starting to show its teeth.
As the Artctic heats up permafrost melts releasing tons of methane the short term driver for increased temeratures.
It rained a foot a day over Greenland several days last last week.That amount of rainfall & its influence over accelerating meltioff was not anticipated=accelerated rising sea levels.
No wonder why insurance companies are pulling out of Florida.
So go back to your little office at BP or Chevron & enjoy the carnage you have created.
"Basically it's government logic." And that's the problem with ignorant people in this country. The logic is: preserve at least 5% of some of the oldest forests on earth if for no other reason than they are remarkable to visit.
"How dare the gubment prevent me from defiling this unique and rare environment for profit"
surprised they didn't mention paradise.
In Australia we do “prescribed burns “ or “burn offs” that burn the fuel
Pruning and thining is a must everywhere people
The old professor is lovely
He would be a good one for a long chat about life.
8:56 looks like Wildwood Falls, Cottage Grove, Oregon.
Same as bc and Alberta
Rip to all the inocent animals
Dominion 2018
Thank you God is not happy that these animals are dead...just for the left to push green new deal agenda.
I remember in 2000 , scientists saying these fires are a once in 100 year thing that happens. Been 20 years now ….
So were have you been the last 10y where all scientists have come to the sama conclusion - it's worse than expected & we are only at the beginning.
and there has been a lot of development in thew 23y since were people choose to stay & move to proven risky areas. Same with flooding, tornadoes etc
The west is burning because of terrible forest management. We must log and clean it. I'm not sat stripping, but with good logging, some fires, and grazing.
I’m making a comparison between the building code and mandatory maintenance in the South and Southwest of France and California for a university paper. The issues are the same. France doesn’t have forest wars but a very active Green Party. The big fire near Bordeaux in 2022 was fuelled by a lack of forest management and the French could learn a lot from te approach in this video. California could learn a lot from the French building code. Wooden houses are not an option, the ground near houses has to be scrubbed, large trees are no allowed near homes, citizens are responsible for the clearing of branches over the roads.
Restoring the natural process is the only way to mitigate the firestorms. Only problem is that the underbrush has been allowed to build up to where a prescribed fire can explode into a wildfire very quickly. There has to be manual clearing of the forest before they can be allowed to burn but they don't have the budget for that so the west burns.
What kills me folks think the job is someone else's ur state ur county ur cities ur homes do something clean it up.
It's more than likely going to get HOTTER!!!!
Now like no other time in history we need to be aggressive about management of our forests.
Theres no shortage of rock on a planet made of rock and they don't burn.
At - 9:17 is an example of how seemingly good people can become sociopaths. As a Caldor fire victim, we found out that the USFS had a policy "let it burn." This was disputed by people that support government and ignore abuse of power under the color of law crimes, aka, human right abuse. Humans now live in the Forests. Even this hypocritical old turd is an example of how the good people of Germany in the ww2 did to those they believed were bad policy for humanity also resulting in the loss of property and human life.
There is a special place in hell for these so-called do gooders. If you google the phrase "does the us forest service have a let it burn policy," you will see the the internet is fixed and they hide what this guy says at 9:43 that "fires must be allowed to continue [burn], but they didn't allow that. Perhaps there is a truth for that. But this guy has no problem promoting that philosophy that others run with regardless that a forest fire is a few miles from heavily populated humanity.
These environmentalists feel that victims should know what they are getting into, and actually would rather people stay out of the forest. This let it burn policy they say, contradicting this old fart, "does not exist." Yet here you see they promote that it does at 9:43.
The USFS has been putting gates on forest roads for decades blocking US Citizens from roaming their country freely, as if the US Forests have the same national security as Area 51. Mainly hunters are aware of this, but this is evident only to them and most people have not clue the USA liberty is being obstructed by non democratic policy from people that shed no tears over loss of human life. These SS type officials lose no sleep. This guy's policy is the catalyst of death for fire victims. "Berkeley," his alma mater, was a place for hippies and the sanctity of peace and freedom. However, these once concerned people people have turned into hard core hegomonists where those who are victims where they hated death in war, now create and author death in forest communities by spreading this tripe without property training or educating the idiots that qualify to make policy during a forest fire. One in this is calling herself a "liberal female from Portland." So, this is "liberal policy." I thought I was liberal. How dare her!
People die and lose property next to their sacred forest fires they allow to burn, such as Caldor, Dixie, and Tamarack where the USFS obstructed fire fighters violating "Penal Code Section 148.2 - Interfering with Firemen and Rescue Personnel." See Grant Ingram ua-cam.com/video/E4Fo5ImJWJI/v-deo.html.
Now we are dealing with Maui fire, and still people ignore these sick policy makers they blame on logging and "spotted owls" and "climate." As if we can control climate.
I can only hope it doesn't take a civil war to stop these insane tyrants that consider human life worthless because they too love living in the forest. USA needs to put aside politics and unite with love!
The forest should be maintained as a crop! We can do it responsibly and we can do it to create economic gains for millions of logging towns!
And then where do the wild life live and the mud slides cause nothing holds the soil u can clean up undegrowth and and fallen power companies that cut right away and leave it is a big problem
The reason why fires are happening more often is because everyone in the cities complain about the smoke and people keep building stuff in fuel rich environments that need to burn naturally. Wildfires have been a natural occurrence and is very beneficial for the environment but people want the put out which increases the fire debt in that area each year it's not burned. As the fire debt increases, the stronger the fire will be once it starts.
Notice how they never corelate the decrease in logging to the increase in the intensity of the fires.
30 years huh? I honestly don't believe the earth has that long. People are going to have to start planning for their own survival. Not relying on officials to pull us out of a jam.
You know, for 80% of Earth's history, there has been no ice. No glaciers, no ice at the poles. Much warmer than now. That's normal for the Earth.
Forests burn hot because of too much fuel per acre. Fire suppression, logging stopped. Either it's going to burn or be logged. Period.
So tell us what catastrophe is going to befall us in 30 years or less.
3:11 is that a Kenny plush?
Wildfires are only bad if they kill people or destroy buildings. The burning of forests is actually healthy and necessary.
Like many folks, our family was the 'beneficiary' of the post WWII era (7:55). Everything was new and exciting as the country recovered from the war and stepped into greater industrialization and productivity. In this and other stories they talk about the heat, the drought, the water shortage, the longer, hotter summer, the fact that communities are expanding into areas where the forest and the town mix, creating additional challenges.
However the one overarching issue, which took a big leap right after World War 2 is the jump in population.
No one likes to talk about it. They get upset. How dare you question their right to have a family?
Too many people. That leads to: too much strain on water supplies and overuse of ground water, the impact of consumption of fossil fuels on climate and sea levels, the perceived need to breed draught-resistant crops to feed the World's growing population. All of these things are tied to there being so many people, and so much demand on limited resources. Its a very difficult nut to crack, but it needs to be discussed.
The root of EVERY problem we have is human overpopulation, we now have 333 MILLION people living on the same land area that just 75 million occupied as recently as 1900, just 100 years before that there were about 10 million (NYC today has 8 million alone) and with everyone wanting to immigrate here as "refugees" plus attacks on abortion despite there being almost 200,000 UNWANTED clogging up the foster care system as it is- we will be exponentially adding to that 333 million.
If we hadnt had abortion, we would NOW have around 400 million, and more than that when you add in their children having children of their own who in turn have more of their own!.
The total number of people in Africa increased from 229 million in 1950 to 630 million in 1990,
There are 1.216 billion there as of 2016 and that is unsustainable!
In 1950 we were inundated with the photos of pot bellied starving children, despite all the billions and billions in food and aid, that still exists, and it's because the population went from 229 million to 1.2 BILLION in only 66 years!
Africa now has 1,350 billion as of October 21, 2020, so despite everything it continues expanding, with it comes more conflicts and habitat destruction, inevitably every one of the large predators (lions, tigers) and large land animals that require hundreds of square miles of habitat to roam- elephants etc will become extinct.
Instead of letting nature take care of the problem we shipped massive amounts of food there and aid, and all that did was contribute to the population going from 229 million to 1.350 BILLION in only 66 years!
Just how would you go about denying people the right to life? To procreate, to grow? It's poor planing by a host of agencies that don't want to spend the money on such things. Strain on the water supplies? 70% of earth is water, the most abundant substance on the planet. It's lack of storage & efficient use of said water, partly because of man's insistence on settling where it isn't in sufficient supply. But there are ways around that.
And I could go on & on.
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@@williamhiles7404 Well if you can find a way to desalinate all that seawater you'll be money ahead. As far as the "right to life" that's more a throwback to the "manifest destiny" way of thinking back when the country was being taken over from Natives.
People should have the right to live well, but they have the CHOICE not to have endless kids thinking angels will float down and save everyone from dying of the heat.
I think it's less about the number of people and more about the lifestyle. Here in the US, we haven't had to consider the possibility of limited resources of any type until fairly recently. We water our thirsty lawns and cement too much, throw away tons of uneaten or spoiled food, not to mention all the packaging and plastic bags thrown out, clothes change with the season, as do decorations and geegaws. Just think about how full your trash bin is each week, and recycling, too. Since that may or may not be going where you actually think it's going.
When I went to France a number of years ago, I noticed that they owned and bought less clothes, and they were better quality. There were small markets, bakeries, etc, in most neighborhoods, which had fresh goods and much less plastic. Also, the metro/train system went most places.
If people in this country all suddenly decided to work toward sustainability, closed loop production/up cycle/recycle, permaculture, changed from consumerism/consumption oriented economy to the next level, (learned science....), this could be done. In fact, just imagine if the trolls, all the various incarnations, suddenly focused their energies on problem solving, seeking/working on solutions for our various problems. 🤔🌎🌏🌍🏞️🌌
The guy saying concrete and steel structures are more harmful to the environment kinda triggered me. Totally bold and over the top statement. I get finding a market for smaller timber and trying to market it, but to say building a skyscraper out of wood is more environmentally friendly than steel or concrete is completely asinine. I appreciate the collaborative effort shown to manage forest service and to whole heartedly include the timber industry and refocus their goals to be in collaboration, but that statement put makes everyone’s efforts look like morons.
You may want to look up what concrete and steel water runoff does for our environment. Also what does it do to the environment when you produce concrete and steel? Do you think concrete and steel break down naturally like wood? ua-cam.com/video/pAghNloeD5Y/v-deo.html
It should be illegal to built a house from combustible materials in an area where fire is a possibility. Use steel framing, rock wool insulation, steel roof, cement board sheathing and window covers like in Germany. Watch the risk of fire damage go away.
Maybe make it legal to reduce the fire danger near populated areas by thinning trees and removing brush. Liberals are more worried about saving an endangered bird or lizard than saving lives and property.
Having fire resistant homes won't help much when these fires burn so fiercely that even glass and aluminum melt.
I was in John Day 25 years ago. The mills were getting some logs out of New Zealand just to try to stay operational while all around the area were thousands of acres of over ripe, dying forests. The US Forest Service is the WORST land managers on the planet. The Soviets do a better job
They forgot to mention, that the lack of logging over the years has let ladder fuels to go unckecked for decades !
a lot of those fires are started as arson and some by firebugs that like to see things burn
very true. And also increased human activity in the forests.
Y’all are slow learners to just get this. Dang. Keep up.
How about building homes that can actually stand up to a fire? Oh right, we don't talk about that.
I recall one in Oakland that survive while the rest of the neighborhood was gone. Better study that home and put two and two together.
In places like Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, they built and build houses out of kiln fired red terracotta blocks, stucco'd on the exterior, and the roofs are not black gasoline (asphalt shingles) but are in fact also kiln fired terracotta tile, the walls are substantially thick, they are superior construction and highly fire resistant.
The resistance from lumber companies would be huge
@@paulsmallriver6066 You can build wooden homes to survive fires. Sprinkler systems, fire-resistant outer coverings, asphalt roofing, and more.
The wild fires are made much larger and out of control because everything is so dry. There isn't enough moisture in the soil, there isn't enough moisture in the vegetation. One thing we need to do is move water from the ocean back inland to places we need it. The natural water cycle can't refill aquifers that were filled thousands of years ago by melting glaciers after the last ice age. Big problems need big solutions.
The biggest idea I am trying to express is tunneling aqueducts from the coast, in this case the west coast of the USA inland to feed combination geothermal power and sea water desalination plants. The idea seems to be so big that no one has considered it possible but I believe it is not only possible but it is necessary. For over a century the fossil water contained in aquifers has been pumped out to feed agriculture, industry and municipal water needs. The natural water cycle cant refill fossil water deposits that were filled 10,000 years ago when the glaciers melted after the last ice age. Without refilling these aquifers there is not much of a future for the region of the United states. As a result ground levels in some areas of the San Joaquin Valley have subsided by more than 30 feet. Similar fossil water depletion is happening in other regions all around the world. TBM and tunneling technology has matured and further developments in the industry are poised to speed up the tunneling process and it's these tunnels that are the only way to move large volumes of water from the ocean inland. The water is moved inland to areas where it can be desalinated in geothermal plants producing clean water and power. In many cases the water will recharge surface reservoirs where it will be used first to make more hydro power before being released into rivers and canal systems. It's very important however to not stop tunneling at these first stops but to continue several legs until the water has traveled from the ocean under mountain ranges to interior states. Along the way water will flow down grade through tunnels and rise in geothermal loops to fill mountain top pumped hydro batteries several times before eventually recharging several major aquifers. What I am proposing is essentially reversing the flow of the Colorado River Compact. Bringing water from the coast of California first to mountaintop reservoirs then to the deserts of Nevada and Arizona and on to Utah, New Mexico, Colorado and Wyoming. This big idea looks past any individual city or states problems and looks at the whole and by using first principles identifies the actual problem and only solution.
Thank you for your time, I would like the opportunity to explain in further detail and answer any questions.
A better future is possible,
And nobody gives a like, but me. Just goes to show that people are so set in their ways, that can't even begin to try new things that might help. Yeah, it would be very expensive and an engineering challenge, but we're Americans, we can do just about anything, right? The alternative is more of the same, getting worse and costing us much more, in more ways than one.
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@@williamhiles7404 Yes. We are Americans. Why can't we do this. We built the Erie Canal. we built the Panama canal. why cant we build infrastructure anymore?
The first woman is so right prescribe burns and cutting back . Manage the forest.
Uh yea its all desert and dry lands that are burning. Ppl should stop living literally anywhere
In the 70s it was hotter in those mountains we had forest maintained… big differences
Poor forest management is the problem. There are plenty of other states that have larger forest areas that don’t have this same issue.
We have similar problems here in Oregon. Our woods are choked with fuel which resulted in huge wildfires taking out entire towns. You'd think the first priority would be treating a large area around each town, but that still doesn't seem to be happening.
What states? Larger forest areas than the west? Where lol
Add reforestation monoculture to the mix for more disaster.
Why don’t you put info out asking for volunteers to help manage woodlands ?? Even fuel reduction projects hell give me a saw to use and I’d gladly go help manage lands !! There’s no one asking for people to help and I no for a fact I could find you 20 people now who would help manage lands especially if the state or federal government just provided tools and saws ie. equipment to do thinning ect where it don’t cost the person who is volunteering there time to help . Also if you ask me this is were there should be early out programs for non violent prison inmates to work in the forests doing needed projects and earning a early out . Open certain parts of the forest to low impact camping that you would be allowed to cut marked trees down , burn downed timber for camping . I would mark off a area have a large camp outing so it’s way more controlled and where you have people to help if anything got out of hand .try it !!!! Try a marked area and advertise it and see what happens I think you would be suprised if you had free camping in exchange you work so many hours thinning out areas your camping in with forest rangers so it’s controlled
National Forrest areas already have free camping for 2 weeks in undeveloped areas. Providing tools to random people has risks such as them injuring themselves with a chainsaw or trees falling wrong and landing on people. Or getting the tree that they cut hung up and leaving it. There are already people getting permits to cut trees down such as for firewood. Are the volunteer folks going to cut the trees which are invasive, widow maker diseased/hung up trees or the biggest choicest healthiest trees which are closest to roads?
Because it's planned. They are using dew weapons
@@stefhirsch6922 I agree, but he does have a point about the asking for help part. The majority of guys doing this dangerous work are underpaid, or doing volunteer work. There really is just little to no incentive to go out there, and nobody has been able to change that. For anyone outside of bc or cali it's like volunteering abroad, except with way more danger and generally harsher conditions. It's also mostly shorter terms, limiting your job opportunities outside of that work.
@@davepowell1661 bringing awareness to the fact your sheep being slaughtered is not unnecessary. Wake the fuck up
Mainly because the number of people who would sign up is very small compared to the work needing to be done.
That beautiful rainforest sounds close to a highway. Am I wrong or is that a river
I can't remember exactly, but I believe we filmed that part in or near Snoqualmie Pass between Seattle and Cle Elum, WA. And you're right, that's the sound of the highway in the background, unfortunately.
Would like to see a documentary on how they almost ruined Yellowstone.
I remember the Yellowstone fire of 88. Where for decades fires 🔥🔥 we're suppressed & because of that thinking 🤔 when Yellowstone had drought for years, & when Forest fires come they cleaned the Park 🏞️ & that was beneficial. In hindsight.
Aprox minute 5:26… isn’t that what the department of natural resources is for, and all of the other federal state and local, such as borough of land management all of them I thought that’s what they did. That’s what they’re supposed to be doing.
why not plant trees / grab few big ones as good as you can a place in areas that needs it
Well done. Over all I can't complain about this video. I'm glad the whole man made climate change about fossil fuel wasn't the hammer. Years ago my hubby and I were up in the pan handle of Idaho, we crossed the border from Montana on Hwy 2 and it was like this line was drawn. The dead and literally 3-4 foot deep slag and dried fuel all over the floors of the forest there was mind blowing. I'm not sure if that went up in smoke since then but it was a disaster waiting to happen. We said, why don't they work with people who need fire wood to help clean this out?! I still don't know why that didn't get mentioned. There are people out there who would rather take dead wood than big logs for their winter fire reserve. Get them in board, free fuel for labor to clean those places out. Anyways, the only thing I would disagree with on this is the most important point. God made the earth, He designed its systems. He took over when we used used used and abused. I'm sure He's glad we're getting it together, His way is the best. But, it's not because we figured anything out, it's because we had no choice but to see the truth. Humanity is great at learning once it's too late.
Maybe the non stop aerial atmospheric spraying, that acts as a desiccant to the atmosphere, the ground cover, plants and trees, can be stopped. The idea there is some dead brush on the ground is nothing new. That is hardly a rich factor. 9 except for the MSM and sound bites ) . That is NOT why ground fires are turning 5,800 homes in Santa Rosa, CA to white ash in 90 minutes.
In Montana the beetle kill is so bad. They have created so much dead trees in the forests of western Montana. There was a fire last year around Helena and Townsend that exploded with wildfire and it’s only going to get worse year over year.
A small part of the issue is builders creating subdivisions close to forests, which, decades ago, might have been allowed to burn, but now must be put out fast. That suppression of the fuel burn off, is part of the issue.
A larger issue is weather and atmospheric modification programs. If you study how extensive this is, you find a list of agencies and programs that goes on and on. Some create clouds via steam, other agencies have atmospheric heaters all over the landscape from Anchorage to El Paso to Columbus, Ohio. The sky and atmosphere is layered with planes carrying to these modification missions, to deliver chemicals or aerosols that serve who knows what purposes, as nearly all shrouded in secrecy. Who knows what other nations are doing to modify the weather and atmosphere, but massive sums are being spent and the public kept in the dark.
There are no facts. The cause of the fires is dew weapons
it's already free to take almost all dead fall, there is vastly more dead fall then need for that type of wood.
We can't have the best of both worlds
CITIZENS UNITED will have to be REPEALED for anything to work right !
It's our children & grandchildren who will pay the cost if we don't.
That's okay with me, I don't like my children or grandchildren. Being selfish is underrated.
And unfortunately we had Paradise CA was wiped out after this.
My mom grew up in Weaverville
did you people ever here about concrete blocks , stone , metal roof trusses = clay tile roofs, i see they are still stick framing as cheap as possible, pass stronger building codes
The forest service IS NOT A LAND OWNER! WE OWN THAT FOREST! ACT ACCORDINGLY
Pencil pushers pulling money away from The firefighters on the ground who actually need it the most.
no one escapes this madhouse alive
The attorney lady lives in Portland and has never seen old growth trees!? she must live under a rock. literally drive any direction from Portland and you’ll eventually see trees wider than cars.. that’s an old growth. I can’t say I’ve ever heard of a forest containing only old growth.
Watching this as Yosemite burns out of control.
Now that the budget is starting to grow, could the forestry service & firefighters expand their manpower pool by aggressively recruiting at homeless shelters in West Coast states? That could help solve both problems at the same time.
excellent idea. We could help homelessness a lot
You ahve it backwards. Send the wealthy folks into homeless shelters until their houses are rebuilt. Shelters will receive perpetual funding.
That actually might work with some decent supervision. Not stereotyping, but being outside, moving/walking is a thing for some schizophrenics. Like I said, it would take some savvy management, though.
Another group that might benefit doing this would be those in detention. CA already has their firefighters, create some forest management teams, including livestock, goats, sheep. They need better pay, though.
I have as much respect for them as for the other firefighters.
Deborah Tavares Santa Rosa fires 🔥
Fire does & has done 👍 that for thousands of years. Cleaning 🧹 the land!!!!
It’s nothing but a kindling box out there, what do you think is going to happen.
Did you get permission from the logger who shot that 94 footage of the harvest if a bastard redwood?
Cool
Need to change our way we build houses. All wood no more