Hate to correct you my man. but that "jagdpanzer" is actually a Jagdpanther, because it is a tank destroyer built on the chasie of a German Panther tank.
8:59 There were no Tigers in the Battle of Nuenen. The Tiger was probably meant to be a stand in for a Panther, that was present in the Battle of Nuenen.
My great Grandad (British) and his brothers separately fought in the Pacific, Africa and Europe. My great uncle was a Japanese P.O.W and never recovered back to his natural weight. My great grandad went blind at the end of the war. He fought in Africa (He was tank infantry support) then Italy at Monte Cassino. My Great Grandad on my Dad's side was blown up clearing mines after surviving the war. The same Grandad that went blind, whilst moving over the top of a ridge/banking came into the sights of a German soldier leaning up against a post, still looking down the sights of his rifle but with a hole in his head. He said he thought in that moment he was certainly going to die.
I forgot to add this but editing often ruins a comment so I am adding it here. People often say the British didn't fight in the Pacific and that I am lying. This is not true. My great uncle was part of the "forgotten army" where 50,000 were captured and 12,000 died of starvation and disease, while being forced into slave labour.
Only because I have watched this episode of BoB many times can I really appreciate your detailed knowledge of the battle (and the other three you have analyzed). I hope you will continue with BoB as you indicated. I am subscribing and appreciate the time and effort you put into learning WW2 tactics and what really happened on the ground.
About the uniforms, you are right, the ones used during D-Day were the M1942 Paratrooper Uniforms. The ones we see them wearing during Operation Market Garden (for the most part) were the M1943 Field Uniforms which saw field tests since Italy in 1943. But according to some veterans, many non-combat/rear echelon officers and enlisted men would find ways to get them first, ahead of the frontline combatants. Hence the uniform only started being more distributed in late 1944. Paratroopers were issued the uniform after M1943, and immediately preferred it over the M1942.
Instead of placing the machine gun on the rooftop, placing it inside the buildings in a keyhole position would have made much more sense. You don't want to put the MG on the edge of window like they do in movies and games - you want to put them couple of meters away, so that you have narrow fire lane, a keyhole (see videos from Syyria). It makes very difficult for the enemy to locate your position and return fire. It restricts your field of fire, but that is why you have multiple machine guns, with crossing fire lanes.
It's what I always do in Sandstorm with firearms in general, not just MGs, position your body a bit further back from the window, you get full cover and more concealment.
@@Cipher_556 It's also what I did on Red Orchestra 2 back in the glory days of the game, it was a blast playing with mates on well positioned mgs, even more reinforced by the fact that I could actually change the mg's barrels.
Fantastic rundown. Ive posted about Nuenen elsewhere on You Tube, pointing out that the 44th Royal Tank Regiment was a far more experienced and combat hardened unit than the 101st and nor were paratroopers in any way tactically more aware of how to engage enemy tanks than actual tank crews. By the way, the Tiger Royal that Richard Winters warned Lance Sgt Walter Worley of the 44th about at Koevering, near Veghel, on the 24th was a Jagdpanther from Schwere Panzerjager Abteilung 559. Great stuff. Cheers.
@@jerbs5346 Are you posting to me? Yes Panzer Brigade 107 had Jagdpanzer IV L/70 although there is a debate as to whether any arrived for the Nuenen battle. Panthers were certainly there. As I wrote in my opening post, the Jagdpanthers were in Schwere Panzerjager-Abteilung 559 and engaged the 44th Royal Tank Regiment and Easy Company a few days later at Koevering, near Veghel. Cheers.
@@lyndoncmp5751The only way we would've known is if Spielberg had put real Jagdpanzers and Jagdpanthers side by side and asked him, "What tank did you see at Kovering?"
@@jerbs5346 Well we know Jagdpanthers of Schwere Panzerjager-Abteilung Abteilung 559 were in the Koevering area and on that date (25th September) engaging the 44th Royal Tank Regiment and knocking out Shermans. There are pictures of them and their own combat diary places them there. There were no Jagdpanzer IVs at Koevering. Winters said it was a Tiger Royal but the Tiger Royals (King Tigers) were on the other side of Arnhem, some 70km away. If you are interested in the details, this is from Jack Didden, author of Autumn Gale: ""The attack started at 08.30 hours and initially it went fairly well. LaPrade’s 1st battalion slowly advanced down the main road while Horton’s 3rd battalion walked down some sandy lanes, the Shermans of No.2 and No.4 Troops of the 44th RTR in support. As this force was getting closer and closer to the wood at Logtenburg small arms fire rapidly increased in volume. The advance began to slow down. At about 11.30 hours the leading Shermans of No.4 Troop were fired on by one of the Jagdpanther of 1./schwere Heeres Panzerjäger-Abteilung 559 on the southern edge of the wood. The first tank brewed up, killing three crew members. Two more Jagdpanther were spotted and No.4 Troop was effectively pinned down. A foot reconnaissance was made which confirmed that it would be impossible for the American Paratroopers to cross the road either, owing to the large amount of small arms fire which the Germans could send directly up the main road. This forced Colonel Sink to come up with another plan. He decided to try a repeat of the attack which had led to the capture of Eindhoven a week earlier. Strayer’s 2nd Battalion was to proceed down the same sandy track as 3rd Battalion. However, instead of turning right when they were level with Logtenburg, they would proceed another kilometre along it before turning west. Hopefully they could outflank the German position in this way. The attack was to be supported by No.5 Troop of the 44th RTR. Without wasting time Strayer’s battalion set off. Once they had reached the hamlet of Hoogebiezen the Paratroopers turned right. It was now 12.30 hours. All the time the Americans were subjected to withering small arms fire. Still, determined as ever, the Paratroopers entered the woods to clear them. The three British tanks drove on in search of targets. Sergeant Newman’s tank, moving to the left of the wood, turned a corner and found itself facing a Jagdpanther. The gunner immediately fired and scored a direct hit, but with absolutely no effect. The gunner of the Jagdpanther responded just as quickly and the 88 shell penetrated the codriver’s seat. Still, the driver managed to reverse the tank back into cover only to receive two more direct penetrations in the turret. The Sherman caught fire and three crew members, Sergeant Newman among them, were killed while the other two were wounded. The other two tanks, trying to help, faced some steep dunes which they could just climb, but once at the top they found that they could not depress their guns sufficiently to engage the Germans and so they remained where they were.” The second paragraph involved Winters as Easy Company was in the 2nd Battalion under Strayer.
@@lyndoncmp5751 There's also this weird spelling error on the 101st map. It's designated as "Hovering." Instead, Kovering. Can you explain how they messed that up?
What M42 M43 Helmet? Uniform? Engine? Lens mount? Camera? Sub Machine Gun? Howitzer Motor Carriage? Ammunition? Grenade? Mortar? Anti Tank gun? Gas mask? Bicycle? Self Propelled Anti Aircraft?
It is not a jagdpanzer but a jagdpanther, different tank destroyers A little confusing because a jagdpanther is also a jagdpanzer (tank hunter) but a jagdpanzer is also a tankmodel
My guy beat me to this comment. The pictures he shows, however, are jagdpanzers not jagdpanthers. I think my guys needs to study more on German panzer models.
It makes me happy at 9:08 to see the BAR and Thompson covering the street while the riflemen take cover. I think you don't see BAR gunners very much in movies so it's cool to see themvin here when you realize that theybwete far more common than we have come to see.. Also, Americans often thought they were dealing with tigers and became paranoid, plus the Panzer IV bears some resemblance to once which is why Tigers get overrepresented in American cinema.
@@qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm3937 it wasn’t used during Normandy in general I believe. They were re geared once they returned to England and were equipped with the BAR
2:34 Late comment but I'm a uniform nerd. They jumped into Normandy wearing the M42 uniform. Jumped into the Netherlands in the M43. I think they kept the M43 into the Battle of the Bulge. You could insert a liner and attach a hood to it, which would have benefited them if they had access to them, which most probably didn't... But I think they wore the M43 until the end of the war. Some guys kept and wore their M42's. Might have been a preference thing. Or they were wounded or something when the uniforms were replaced and they got skipped over somehow because of a clerical error, I don't know.
I hated the machine gun postion of the Germans right on top of the house. You just knew that they were placed there to receive a rifle grenade or bazooka shot. Absolutely ridiculous.
The jadgpanzer was used but the show used a jadgpanther which wasnt really used to defend more but used to as an ambush tank like the tiger very few where made
The tank at 17:28 would rather be a jagdpanther than a jagdpanzer, there only is one angled upper plate where there would be 3 in the jagdpanzer with one being horizontal
At 10:57 When you look at the top of the roof of the white barn. then look at 11:02 you will see the end of the roof of the white barn. the black hole ( where a door should be ) is the same in both time stamps. 10:57 is like straight from the middle of the house. While 11:02 is more zoomed in and from the corner. So my guess is when the sherman is at the point where the camera is at 11:02 it screwd.
Lil detail , the tank destroyxer portraied in the episode is jagdpanther , while jagdpanzers shown on pictures were jagdpanzer IV series with exception of the first one which was Jagdpanzer 38t (or hetzer)
Germans never did too well, so they made use with anything they could capture. Especially late in the war and there's a ton of historical photos showing Fallschirmjägers armed with American weapons.
Great Video... out of interest I interviewed British veterans from Normandy in my undergraduate dissertation. They had a similar story, where three tanks arrived and the paratroopers tried to stop them for mobile support, but the tanks had tomtaks a crossroads a mile beyond the village they were holding. The Paratrooper officer tried to stop them as they hadn't done any reconnaissance beyond the houses. The tanks moved off and a few minute later there were three bangs and plumes of smoke. They found the tanks brewed up and an abandoned 75mm AT gun covering the crossroads.
@@stephenrenwick8781 makes sense, thanks. Just wondered if the last tank might have wounded some, or a random artillery hit, but without support and/or towing vehicle, it makes a lot of sense.
Uhh covering tanks in Hay is actually used today. Hell the Russians were spotted a week ago by a drone with their tanks covered in dead grass to blend into the surroundings ..actually was good camo, except for the drone. Funny thing was..it wasn't the camo that gave them away, it was the tank tracks that were apparent from the field that ran right into them.
I mean propaganda angle aside, I would say Monty was extremely ambitious in this Operation and they even lost an entire division in Arnhem. Not to mention we took all patrons resources to back up Monty here. So I do feel it’s justified to blame General Monty not the troops, for such a Ballsy plan.
Great analysis! Also, Brit divisions were usually kitted out with the same tanks. Having M4A1s and Cromwell's together, would have been a nightmare for maintenance and just didn't happen as a rule.
Only battle where the airborne didn't have their jump jackets and pants is the Battle of the Bulge. In Market Garden some of them no longer used Jump Boots, but still the cargo pants and the jacket with large slanted breast pockets were standard, with the wool service shirt underneath.
You make some very good points. I seem to remimber something about uniforms changing and webb😂 gear, so you may be right. I have a problem about somethings you say. I the tankers also have replacements right? So a newb tank Commander can also make a bad call. Winters didn't get those tankers killed. Your quote is right, but the tankers didn't take his advise on how to maneuver. Enstead, they went plowing threw the tree line noisily and went strait for the tiger. They exposed themselves, giving it plenty of time and a clear view to take them out. This from Winters memoir. Everyone saw it. And Winters was a smart, experienced officer who as you should know did work with tanks at Normandy. Also, if his view of British tankers was less than optimal, its because on two occasions he witnessed them taking tea, and goofing off. This on an operation where speed was everything. He also took his own officers and men to task if they failed to do the job right, so its not a hate thing. One last point, Neunen was taken on the 19th. And the group actually were stoped on the other side of it according to him.
One of your problems was that the tiger wasnt hidden enough. But at 10:56 you say that it is hidden tho. The aim was to stay out of the allies sight, and it was succesful. Of course he infantry noticed the panzer, but it was their task.
The MG on the rooftop, I'm thinking how in the hell they got it up there! Who is going to haul a 25lb machine gun and who knows how much ammo with a full pack on a freaking rooftop that clearly has no easy access and can easily be knocked out.
Adding to the Uniform thing, yes the paratroopers did have different uniforms. Weirdly enough a lot of the paratroopers still wanted to be different than what we call "legs" so they would still use their Corcoran boots. It was a matter of preference really. I do reenact 326th Airborne with the 101at and I can honestly say I prefer them over the Double buckle boots.
@@thefronttier2884 yep which is why their production lines were chaotic and their supply of spare parts was awful. If you have 20 different tanks needing 20 different parts you’ll have a harder time supplying. Compared to an army with 5 different tanks needing 5 different parts. Which is why the western Allies pretty much just had different variations of Sherman’s.
It was also depicted in Battlefield 1942’s mod Forgotten Hope fairly accurately. Pity that engine is so ancient now (2002) Even some excellent maps depicted in its sequel (Dog Green sector of Normandie) are also old generation FPS now.
Late to the party here, but you are right in the movement of infantry through open fields. We don't like them for obvious reasons, but sometimes you have to cross one. All movement from A to B is colloquially called "move with a purpose", in other words, I need to move from cover A to cover B as fast as possible to limit my exposure time. You will run faster than Usain Bolt while carrying 20kg of equipment no matter what.
There was a battalion of Tiger II tanks facing the British at Arnhem, and there was a a company of Panthers that attacked the Americans here with Panzergrenadiers, which overran them somewhat like depicted here.
The script writers have been drinking a lot or on LSD because in the center of Nuenen not such a heavy battle was fought in real life. Purely a Hollywood fiction because the battle was in the meadows at Son en Breugel.
Panzer Brigade 107 didn't have Jagdpanthers. Hes talking about the real battle, not the series. The series wrongly shows a Jagdpanther replica but in real life Panzer Brigade 107 had Panthers and Jagdpanzer IV L/70.
But seeing as the guy is talking about the real battle a lot he's right to say its a Jagdpanzer, because that is what Panzer Brigade 107 had in their panzerjager company not Jagdpanthers. Cheers.
@@lyndoncmp5751 16:27 you can clearly hear him say "this is a jagdpanzer" while looking at the movie, if he knew exactly the difference between a jagdpanzer IV and a jagdpanther, he would've pointed out how the one in the movie isn't the right tank destroyer like i've seen him point out other wrong tools used in other scenes or movies or he could've also said something like "i know that's not the right destroyer but i appreciate how they still used a tank destroyer, maybe to make it look more menacing". So no, pretty convinced that he thinks that was a jagdpanzer.
Band of Broithers used the wrong armoured vehicles in Neunen. 1. The 44th Royal Tank Regiment had Shermans, but not Cromwells as well. 2. The 107th Panzer Brigade had a) Panther tanks (but not Tigers) b) Jagdpanzer IVs (but not Jagdpanthers). A few days later, Easy Company would face a few Jagdpanthers at Koevering.
That was for the Dutch population so they knew who they were. They did this a few other times throughout the war. But they would usually ditch those armbands once in combat.
This analysis is so much better than Stephen Ambrose's fantasy. But then, what can you expect from an author whose American nationalism is so exaggerated that he claimed that the T34 was designed by the Americans!
dude...its a dramatization.. tom hanks was interviewed about how he got dick winters to agree to make the series. Winters didn't trust Hollywood to tell the story correctly. Hanks told him if we are lucky enough to get 10% of it right..then we did our job ..winters agreed.
@@TheArrowedKnee Minor one is straight character assassination of Dike just because Easy didn't like his command style that's major and their portrayal of British tank commanders its straight up slander and an insult to their memories also you should hear what Dick Winters though about the US forces retreating at the Bastogne buttered and out of ammo it wasn't pleasant.
@@afriendlycadian9857 British soldiers are shown in the series maybe 4 times, for a total running time of maybe 5 minutes, and in only one of those scenes are they portrayed as incompetent. On the other hand, Americans were portrayed as incompetent multiple times throughout the show. Maybe you're overreacting a bit lol
This episode always struck me as full of crap, a British tanker whose survived all the way to this point which is minimum from D-Day and far more likely from Africa whose just been stuck with XXX Corps as they are chain ambushed down the single road that led to Nijmegen is told there's a German tank in Ambush in front of him and decides 'nah it'll be fine' and decides to roll blindly into it's line of fire... because he's worried about property damage, in WW2 where the RAF routinely demolished cities... Bollocks
i dont think the officer was shot because he moved and scouted ahead off the bat, but because his troops are yelling at him like if the germans werent alert already they were now.
Nah. The vehicles already made enough noise that the Germans would've heard them coming from a hundred meters away or farther. He was shot because he walked ahead in the open and put up his binoculars. The use of binoculars was something that pretty much just spotters and officers did and both were among the preferred targets of snipers. In fact in the hierarchy of targets for snipers, officers are second only behind the #1 priority; enemy snipers. So he walked out in the open, raised the binoculars and the sniper went "Officer!" and shot him. The Germans certainly would've started firing soon anyway, but the easy shot at such a high value target was enough to get it started.
You'd honestly be surprised at the sheer amount of captured weapons the Germans actually used. There's a ton of historical photos online of Fallschirmjägers especially armed with American weapons.
Same operation, different sector. 1st para brigade was meant to be dropped in the area of the British first para division. Band of Brothers is about the US 101st para division. Between them and the Polish force was yet another division: the US 82nd para division. So it was not that odd that the Poles were not mentioned, they fought and died 50 kilometers to the north. Don't worry, some of us still remember what they did, and how they were falsly blamed for the failure.
Riding on tanks is just stupid. This means the tanks cannot react to any threat until the infantry get off. They will be dead by the time this occurs. There is no way they would just ride on a tank right up to an enemy position.
The Russians did it all the time. They lacked proper tracked troop transports, so this way they always had infantry with them. An ambush would usually cost them a tank with the troops riding it, but they could react right away, instead of waiting for marching infantry to reach the position. At the moment it cost them troops, but giving the enemy time to build new defences further back costs more troops.
Der Panzer der in 16.34 min. Gezeigt wird ist nicht ein "Jagdpanzer" sondern ein "Jagdpanther" also wie das Tier. Kleiner Fehler aber trotzdem gutes viedeo 👍🏻
Depicted in the series is a jagdpanther. The guide as well as historical sources talk about jagdpanzers. The vid chooses to follow the narrative of the guide, not the series.
@@sjonnieplayfull5859 Jagdpanther is a type of jagdpanzer(tankhunter). Jagdpanzer(model) is also a type of jagdpanzer(tankhunter. The guy in the video is clearly referring to the series, which is why he is wrong.
Ambrose the hack. I take any American source, historiographical, primary or otherwise with a massive grain of salt especially when it involves descriptions of British forces.
According the Stephen Ambrose the "historian" who wrote Band of Brothers it was. He seemed to relish every possible opportunity to insult the British as: incompetent, lazy, stupid and cowardly. How someone could have the nerve to insult those fought in ww2 (when he never fought in any conflict) I really don't know. But unfortunately Hollywood loved his attitude.
@@Apollo890 America that's why if it makes them look bad it gets thrown out, if they aren't the centre of attention they don't care, if the British aren't being portrayed incompetent, lazy and stupid it won't sell why because its an American created myth about the British of WW2 it was very effective in fact if not for the British army holding off 70%of the German armour at Normandy the Americans wouldn't have been able to break out of Omaha and on the topic of commanders say what you want about Monty but atleast he didn't antisemitic views like Patton oh yeah, he expressed shocking even for its time antisemitic views. His comments about Holocaust survivors are some of the most disgusting things I've read “Harrison and his ilk believe that the Displaced Person is a human being, which he is not, and this applies particularly to the Jews who are lower than animals,” Patton wrote. He told of taking his commander, Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower, to tour a makeshift synagogue set up to commemorate the holy day of Yom Kippur. “We entered the synagogue, which was packed with the greatest stinking mass of humanity I have ever seen,” Patton wrote. “Of course, I have seen them since the beginning and marveled that beings alleged to be made in the form of God can look the way they do or act the way they act.” Other evidence emerged revealing not only Patton’s disdain for the Jews in the camps, but an odd admiration for the Nazi prisoners of war under his watch. Under Patton, Nazis prisoners were not only bunked at times with Jewish survivors, but were even allowed to hold positions of authority, despite orders from Eisenhower to “de-Nazify” the camps. “Listen,” Patton told one of his officers of the Nazis, “if you need these men, keep them and don’t worry about anything else.”
@@Apollo890 Ambrose is shit that’s all u need to know. On top of ur point he basically altered history and changed many stories etc in his book. Took inspiration from other veteran stories and moulded them to fit into easy company story
AS a dutch person it's a shame they didn't really focus on the battles around Hell's Highway or depict the battles more historically accurate. While the theme of the episode centered around replacements makes sense. I feel like this is one of the weaker episodes of BoB.
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Hate to correct you my man. but that "jagdpanzer" is actually a Jagdpanther, because it is a tank destroyer built on the chasie of a German Panther tank.
Everyone knows band of brothers was one the greatest ww2 TV series
I actually live on the Opwettenseweg in Nuenen and the lead tank got destroyed within 100 meters of my house.
Damn...now that is cool. Sending love to the Netherlands, from Texas!
Dude that's cool.
That is so cool!!!
8:59 There were no Tigers in the Battle of Nuenen. The Tiger was probably meant to be a stand in for a Panther, that was present in the Battle of Nuenen.
My great Grandad (British) and his brothers separately fought in the Pacific, Africa and Europe.
My great uncle was a Japanese P.O.W and never recovered back to his natural weight.
My great grandad went blind at the end of the war. He fought in Africa (He was tank infantry support) then Italy at Monte Cassino.
My Great Grandad on my Dad's side was blown up clearing mines after surviving the war.
The same Grandad that went blind, whilst moving over the top of a ridge/banking came into the sights of a German soldier leaning up against a post, still looking down the sights of his rifle but with a hole in his head. He said he thought in that moment he was certainly going to die.
I forgot to add this but editing often ruins a comment so I am adding it here.
People often say the British didn't fight in the Pacific and that I am lying.
This is not true. My great uncle was part of the "forgotten army" where 50,000 were captured and 12,000 died of starvation and disease, while being forced into slave labour.
@@charliezelenowski2701 no offense but god damn talk about unlucky
@@charliezelenowski2701 Most people forget about the australlians , british and indians who fought in countries like Phillipines, Burma etc.
@@bah2vi because its useless lmao
The tank destroyer was a Jagdpanther, a tank destroyer based on the Panther hull
and the only Jagdpanther present on this battle was the "possible tiger panther" sighed at veghel.
@@leoaraujo8590 but it was nice to see something differnt then a tiger or a p4
is it CGI?
@@AndyThomas_mrblitz no it is just a replica in a small scale filming with some releastic puppets
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At Veghel (Koevering to be exact) on the 25th it was Jagdpanthers of Schwere Panzerjager-Abteilung 559.
Only because I have watched this episode of BoB many times can I really appreciate your detailed knowledge of the battle (and the other three you have analyzed). I hope you will continue with BoB as you indicated. I am subscribing and appreciate the time and effort you put into learning WW2 tactics and what really happened on the ground.
I didn't think that my enjoyment of band of brothers could be improved......but your analysis has done this. Nice one bro.....don't stop.
About the uniforms, you are right, the ones used during D-Day were the M1942 Paratrooper Uniforms. The ones we see them wearing during Operation Market Garden (for the most part) were the M1943 Field Uniforms which saw field tests since Italy in 1943. But according to some veterans, many non-combat/rear echelon officers and enlisted men would find ways to get them first, ahead of the frontline combatants. Hence the uniform only started being more distributed in late 1944. Paratroopers were issued the uniform after M1943, and immediately preferred it over the M1942.
Instead of placing the machine gun on the rooftop, placing it inside the buildings in a keyhole position would have made much more sense. You don't want to put the MG on the edge of window like they do in movies and games - you want to put them couple of meters away, so that you have narrow fire lane, a keyhole (see videos from Syyria). It makes very difficult for the enemy to locate your position and return fire. It restricts your field of fire, but that is why you have multiple machine guns, with crossing fire lanes.
It's what I always do in Sandstorm with firearms in general, not just MGs, position your body a bit further back from the window, you get full cover and more concealment.
@@Cipher_556 It's also what I did on Red Orchestra 2 back in the glory days of the game, it was a blast playing with mates on well positioned mgs, even more reinforced by the fact that I could actually change the mg's barrels.
@@leoaraujo8590 vote bridges
@@madsanta7938 Bridges of Druzhina for the 10th time in a row? hell yeah
@@leoaraujo8590 you know it comrade let's gooo ✊
Fantastic rundown. Ive posted about Nuenen elsewhere on You Tube, pointing out that the 44th Royal Tank Regiment was a far more experienced and combat hardened unit than the 101st and nor were paratroopers in any way tactically more aware of how to engage enemy tanks than actual tank crews.
By the way, the Tiger Royal that Richard Winters warned Lance Sgt Walter Worley of the 44th about at Koevering, near Veghel, on the 24th was a Jagdpanther from Schwere Panzerjager Abteilung 559.
Great stuff. Cheers.
Do you mean "Jagdpanzer?" There was no evidence that the 107th Panzer brigade had Jagdpanthers.
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Are you posting to me? Yes Panzer Brigade 107 had Jagdpanzer IV L/70 although there is a debate as to whether any arrived for the Nuenen battle. Panthers were certainly there.
As I wrote in my opening post, the Jagdpanthers were in Schwere Panzerjager-Abteilung 559 and engaged the 44th Royal Tank Regiment and Easy Company a few days later at Koevering, near Veghel.
Cheers.
@@lyndoncmp5751The only way we would've known is if Spielberg had put real Jagdpanzers and Jagdpanthers side by side and asked him, "What tank did you see at Kovering?"
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Well we know Jagdpanthers of Schwere Panzerjager-Abteilung Abteilung 559 were in the Koevering area and on that date (25th September) engaging the 44th Royal Tank Regiment and knocking out Shermans. There are pictures of them and their own combat diary places them there.
There were no Jagdpanzer IVs at Koevering.
Winters said it was a Tiger Royal but the Tiger Royals (King Tigers) were on the other side of Arnhem, some 70km away.
If you are interested in the details, this is from Jack Didden, author of Autumn Gale:
""The attack started at 08.30 hours and initially it went fairly well. LaPrade’s 1st battalion slowly advanced down the main road while Horton’s 3rd battalion walked down some sandy lanes, the Shermans of No.2 and No.4 Troops of the 44th RTR in support. As this force was getting closer and closer to the wood at Logtenburg small arms fire rapidly increased in volume. The advance began to slow down. At about 11.30 hours the leading Shermans of No.4 Troop were fired on by one of the Jagdpanther of 1./schwere Heeres Panzerjäger-Abteilung 559 on the southern edge of the wood. The first tank brewed up, killing three crew members. Two more Jagdpanther were spotted and No.4 Troop was effectively pinned down. A foot reconnaissance was made which confirmed that it would be impossible for the American Paratroopers to cross the road either, owing to the large amount of small arms fire which the Germans could send directly up the main road.
This forced Colonel Sink to come up with another plan. He decided to try a repeat of the attack which had led to the capture of Eindhoven a week earlier. Strayer’s 2nd Battalion was to proceed down the same sandy track as 3rd Battalion. However, instead of turning right when they were level with Logtenburg, they would proceed another kilometre along it before turning west. Hopefully they could outflank the German position in this way. The attack was to be supported by No.5 Troop of the 44th RTR. Without wasting time Strayer’s battalion set off. Once they had reached the hamlet of Hoogebiezen the Paratroopers turned right. It was now 12.30 hours. All the time the Americans were subjected to withering small arms fire. Still, determined as ever, the Paratroopers entered the woods to clear them. The three British tanks drove on in search of targets. Sergeant Newman’s tank, moving to the left of the wood, turned a corner and found itself facing a Jagdpanther. The gunner immediately fired and scored a direct hit, but with absolutely no effect. The gunner of the Jagdpanther responded just as quickly and the 88 shell penetrated the codriver’s seat. Still, the driver managed to reverse the tank back into cover only to receive two more direct penetrations in the turret. The Sherman caught fire and three crew members, Sergeant Newman among them, were killed while the other two were wounded. The other two tanks, trying to help, faced some steep dunes which they could just climb, but once at the top they found that they could not depress their guns sufficiently to engage the Germans and so they remained where they were.”
The second paragraph involved Winters as Easy Company was in the 2nd Battalion under Strayer.
@@lyndoncmp5751 There's also this weird spelling error on the 101st map. It's designated as "Hovering." Instead, Kovering. Can you explain how they messed that up?
Loving this series, you deserve more subscribers!
and that jagpanther
They had the M43's in market garden and the M42's in Normandy.
M42s still saw a lot of use in Market Garden as well.
@@huntclanhunt9697 yeah, yeah you're right.
What M42 M43 Helmet? Uniform? Engine? Lens mount? Camera? Sub Machine Gun? Howitzer Motor Carriage? Ammunition? Grenade? Mortar? Anti Tank gun? Gas mask? Bicycle? Self Propelled Anti Aircraft?
@@niceyoureadmycomment323 I think the uniforms.
@@niceyoureadmycomment323 same story with m1, m4 etc))
It is not a jagdpanzer but a jagdpanther, different tank destroyers
A little confusing because a jagdpanther is also a jagdpanzer (tank hunter) but a jagdpanzer is also a tankmodel
My guy beat me to this comment. The pictures he shows, however, are jagdpanzers not jagdpanthers. I think my guys needs to study more on German panzer models.
It makes me happy at 9:08 to see the BAR and Thompson covering the street while the riflemen take cover. I think you don't see BAR gunners very much in movies so it's cool to see themvin here when you realize that theybwete far more common than we have come to see.. Also, Americans often thought they were dealing with tigers and became paranoid, plus the Panzer IV bears some resemblance to once which is why Tigers get overrepresented in American cinema.
The BAR gunners I’ve seen was in Hacksaw Ridge and Band of brothers and some parts of The Pacific.
From what I’ve heard though the BAR wasn’t that common in the 101st and the m1 was preferred by many
Yet in games there's lot of BARs
@@qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm3937 it wasn’t used during Normandy in general I believe. They were re geared once they returned to England and were equipped with the BAR
2:34 Late comment but I'm a uniform nerd. They jumped into Normandy wearing the M42 uniform. Jumped into the Netherlands in the M43. I think they kept the M43 into the Battle of the Bulge. You could insert a liner and attach a hood to it, which would have benefited them if they had access to them, which most probably didn't... But I think they wore the M43 until the end of the war. Some guys kept and wore their M42's. Might have been a preference thing. Or they were wounded or something when the uniforms were replaced and they got skipped over somehow because of a clerical error, I don't know.
Great video as always! Looking forward to see your analysis on the next 3 episodes.
16:27 The Jagdpanther (translation: hunting panther) got its name because it's a tank destroyer mounted on the chassis of a Panther tank.
The tiger was in the battle because that’s what production had access to not because there was one in the battle
@Brandon B your correct
The tanks in this engagement where a stug 3 a jagpanther and a tiger 1
I hated the machine gun postion of the Germans right on top of the house. You just knew that they were placed there to receive a rifle grenade or bazooka shot. Absolutely ridiculous.
That was a Jadgpanther which was a tank Hunter made from the chassis of a Panther tank and sported a 88mm pak43 gun.
The jadgpanzer was used but the show used a jadgpanther which wasnt really used to defend more but used to as an ambush tank like the tiger very few where made
The tank at 17:28 would rather be a jagdpanther than a jagdpanzer, there only is one angled upper plate where there would be 3 in the jagdpanzer with one being horizontal
At 10:57 When you look at the top of the roof of the white barn. then look at 11:02 you will see the end of the roof of the white barn. the black hole ( where a door should be ) is the same in both time stamps.
10:57 is like straight from the middle of the house. While 11:02 is more zoomed in and from the corner.
So my guess is when the sherman is at the point where the camera is at 11:02 it screwd.
Lil detail , the tank destroyxer portraied in the episode is jagdpanther , while jagdpanzers shown on pictures were jagdpanzer IV series with exception of the first one which was Jagdpanzer 38t (or hetzer)
@16:00
Correct me if I'm wrong but is that a fallschirmjäger unit with a Browning M1919?
It bloody looks like it captured maybe but when?
The Fallschirmjaeger on the right has a camouflaged smock on. I usually see those in 44-45 photos.
Germans never did too well, so they made use with anything they could capture. Especially late in the war and there's a ton of historical photos showing Fallschirmjägers armed with American weapons.
Wish this was my history lesson.
16:35 its Called a jagdpanther upgraded version of the small jagdpanzers 🤓
I'm glad I'm not the only one you can tell bc of the interleaved road wheels and its overall girth
@Tearjerker I know. But it's still cool that they used a t 54
Great Video... out of interest I interviewed British veterans from Normandy in my undergraduate dissertation. They had a similar story, where three tanks arrived and the paratroopers tried to stop them for mobile support, but the tanks had tomtaks a crossroads a mile beyond the village they were holding. The Paratrooper officer tried to stop them as they hadn't done any reconnaissance beyond the houses. The tanks moved off and a few minute later there were three bangs and plumes of smoke. They found the tanks brewed up and an abandoned 75mm AT gun covering the crossroads.
Your autocorrect got you... tomtaks? You meant 'to take'? Sad when orders cost so many lives.
Btw, why was the ATG abandoned?
@@sjonnieplayfull5859 to my knowledge they legged it once they were pushed by the infantry.
@@stephenrenwick8781 makes sense, thanks. Just wondered if the last tank might have wounded some, or a random artillery hit, but without support and/or towing vehicle, it makes a lot of sense.
That ATG got it's 15minutes of glory, solid investment to take out three tanks.
Uhh covering tanks in Hay is actually used today. Hell the Russians were spotted a week ago by a drone with their tanks covered in dead grass to blend into the surroundings ..actually was good camo, except for the drone. Funny thing was..it wasn't the camo that gave them away, it was the tank tracks that were apparent from the field that ran right into them.
I've read history my entire life (69 years) and you know your stuff. Nicely done!
Love your work bro, keep it up.
The reactions to this series must go on!
0:06 excellent to see you again historian.
The Tiger was camouflaged from air recon, I think.
I mean propaganda angle aside, I would say Monty was extremely ambitious in this Operation and they even lost an entire division in Arnhem. Not to mention we took all patrons resources to back up Monty here. So I do feel it’s justified to blame General Monty not the troops, for such a Ballsy plan.
16:29 wrong. That's not a jagdpanzer it's a jagdpanther. The jagdpanther is based on a panther hull an chasis.
Great analysis! Also, Brit divisions were usually kitted out with the same tanks. Having M4A1s and Cromwell's together, would have been a nightmare for maintenance and just didn't happen as a rule.
Only battle where the airborne didn't have their jump jackets and pants is the Battle of the Bulge. In Market Garden some of them no longer used Jump Boots, but still the cargo pants and the jacket with large slanted breast pockets were standard, with the wool service shirt underneath.
15:20 I see your point, but in regards to escaping; they have a ladder right behind them that they can escape down on
You make some very good points. I seem to remimber something about uniforms changing and webb😂 gear, so you may be right. I have a problem about somethings you say. I the tankers also have replacements right? So a newb tank Commander can also make a bad call. Winters didn't get those tankers killed. Your quote is right, but the tankers didn't take his advise on how to maneuver. Enstead, they went plowing threw the tree line noisily and went strait for the tiger. They exposed themselves, giving it plenty of time and a clear view to take them out. This from Winters memoir. Everyone saw it. And Winters was a smart, experienced officer who as you should know did work with tanks at Normandy. Also, if his view of British tankers was less than optimal, its because on two occasions he witnessed them taking tea, and goofing off. This on an operation where speed was everything. He also took his own officers and men to task if they failed to do the job right, so its not a hate thing. One last point, Neunen was taken on the 19th. And the group actually were stoped on the other side of it according to him.
One of your problems was that the tiger wasnt hidden enough. But at 10:56 you say that it is hidden tho. The aim was to stay out of the allies sight, and it was succesful. Of course he infantry noticed the panzer, but it was their task.
The MG on the rooftop, I'm thinking how in the hell they got it up there! Who is going to haul a 25lb machine gun and who knows how much ammo with a full pack on a freaking rooftop that clearly has no easy access and can easily be knocked out.
0:00 that was hilarious just starting off the vid with a good ol "aw shit"
You should watch The Pacific, it is very similar to Band Of Brothers
@15:57 is that german shooting a m1913? Dont know if that's the right name but the 7.62 American MG
yea that threw me off a bit too. i looked at german machine guns during that time and it matches nothing. it has to be a m1919
Have you watched TiK's a UA-camr, he covered Market Garden on his channel. Was wondering your thoughts on his opinion has a historian.
101st Airborne, my favourite US paras. The Screaming Eagles...respect!
Band of brother is one of my favourite
Adding to the Uniform thing, yes the paratroopers did have different uniforms. Weirdly enough a lot of the paratroopers still wanted to be different than what we call "legs" so they would still use their Corcoran boots. It was a matter of preference really. I do reenact 326th Airborne with the 101at and I can honestly say I prefer them over the Double buckle boots.
The first Jagtpanzer foto youd shown was a Jagtpanzer 38t“HETZER“ just some info but i love your vids
The Germans created lots of different jagdpanzer types. Hetzer, Stug, Jagdpanzer IV, Jagdpanther, Jagdtiger and ect ect.
@@mikkel066h and different variants of everyone to.
@@thefronttier2884 yep which is why their production lines were chaotic and their supply of spare parts was awful. If you have 20 different tanks needing 20 different parts you’ll have a harder time supplying. Compared to an army with 5 different tanks needing 5 different parts. Which is why the western Allies pretty much just had different variations of Sherman’s.
@@mikkel066h but the variations gave flexibility to the german army they had a pz3 and one variant was AT and another a Bunker- Fortifications Buster.
Pretty cool seeing the Flames of War maps in a video. Do you play?
It was also depicted in Battlefield 1942’s mod Forgotten Hope fairly accurately.
Pity that engine is so ancient now (2002)
Even some excellent maps depicted in its sequel (Dog Green sector of Normandie) are also old generation FPS now.
at 11:56 why are the falschemjager using a us browning even the ammo box says us
Captured weapons were often used. The Germans even used captured tanks: beutepanzer.
Late to the party here, but you are right in the movement of infantry through open fields. We don't like them for obvious reasons, but sometimes you have to cross one. All movement from A to B is colloquially called "move with a purpose", in other words, I need to move from cover A to cover B as fast as possible to limit my exposure time. You will run faster than Usain Bolt while carrying 20kg of equipment no matter what.
I know that there were panthers, but I never heard of tiger tanks in the netherlands
There was a battalion of Tiger II tanks facing the British at Arnhem, and there was a a company of Panthers that attacked the Americans here with Panzergrenadiers, which overran them somewhat like depicted here.
Yes. Band of Brother and Pacific is two WW2 movies I really appreciated.
It would have been interesting if you could react to the finnish Unknown Soldier. Almost as good as Band of Brothers in my opinion.
Wish they'd make a movie about the actual Winter War instead of the continuation war against the Soviet's that would be awesome or even a miniseries.
Looks like the wrong version of the jadgpanther was used to
Where you located. U should play flames of war a small minatures WW2 games
The script writers have been drinking a lot or on LSD because in the center of Nuenen not such a heavy battle was fought in real life. Purely a Hollywood fiction because the battle was in the meadows at Son en Breugel.
The camera angles are a bit shitty but the tank is actually further form the road than the first shot made it look like.
11:45 intresting pic Fallschirmjägers with a M1919 Browning .30
the tank destroyer you called jagdpanzer was actually a jagdpanther
Panzer Brigade 107 didn't have Jagdpanthers. Hes talking about the real battle, not the series. The series wrongly shows a Jagdpanther replica but in real life Panzer Brigade 107 had Panthers and Jagdpanzer IV L/70.
And technically the Jagdpanther is still a tank hunter (jagdpanzer/panzerjager).
@@lyndoncmp5751 there's still a huge difference in looks, I know the jagdpanther is a tank destroyer.
But seeing as the guy is talking about the real battle a lot he's right to say its a Jagdpanzer, because that is what Panzer Brigade 107 had in their panzerjager company not Jagdpanthers.
Cheers.
@@lyndoncmp5751 16:27 you can clearly hear him say "this is a jagdpanzer" while looking at the movie, if he knew exactly the difference between a jagdpanzer IV and a jagdpanther, he would've pointed out how the one in the movie isn't the right tank destroyer like i've seen him point out other wrong tools used in other scenes or movies or he could've also said something like "i know that's not the right destroyer but i appreciate how they still used a tank destroyer, maybe to make it look more menacing". So no, pretty convinced that he thinks that was a jagdpanzer.
Band of Broithers used the wrong armoured vehicles in Neunen. 1. The 44th Royal Tank Regiment had Shermans, but not Cromwells as well. 2. The 107th Panzer Brigade had a) Panther tanks (but not Tigers) b) Jagdpanzer IVs (but not Jagdpanthers). A few days later, Easy Company would face a few Jagdpanthers at Koevering.
He said jagdpanzer but in band of brothers it was a jagdPANTHER
Am I the only one that can't stop staring at that Giant American flag patch on there shoulders, if I'm a German sniper, that's a welcome bullseye.
That was for the Dutch population so they knew who they were. They did this a few other times throughout the war. But they would usually ditch those armbands once in combat.
This analysis is so much better than Stephen Ambrose's fantasy. But then, what can you expect from an author whose American nationalism is so exaggerated that he claimed that the T34 was designed by the Americans!
dude...its a dramatization.. tom hanks was interviewed about how he got dick winters to agree to make the series. Winters didn't trust Hollywood to tell the story correctly. Hanks told him if we are lucky enough to get 10% of it right..then we did our job ..winters agreed.
Yeah there are some minor inaccuracies, but i think in broad strokes they did a very good job
@@TheArrowedKnee Minor one is straight character assassination of Dike just because Easy didn't like his command style that's major and their portrayal of British tank commanders its straight up slander and an insult to their memories also you should hear what Dick Winters though about the US forces retreating at the Bastogne buttered and out of ammo it wasn't pleasant.
@@TheArrowedKnee depends on what side you sit most British people get miffed at how we qre portrayed in this series
@@afriendlycadian9857 British soldiers are shown in the series maybe 4 times, for a total running time of maybe 5 minutes, and in only one of those scenes are they portrayed as incompetent. On the other hand, Americans were portrayed as incompetent multiple times throughout the show. Maybe you're overreacting a bit lol
Great channel
16:33 that's a Jagdpanther, not a Jagdpanzer
aktually
The tank was not the jagdpanzer it was JagdPanther
This episode always struck me as full of crap, a British tanker whose survived all the way to this point which is minimum from D-Day and far more likely from Africa whose just been stuck with XXX Corps as they are chain ambushed down the single road that led to Nijmegen is told there's a German tank in Ambush in front of him and decides 'nah it'll be fine' and decides to roll blindly into it's line of fire... because he's worried about property damage, in WW2 where the RAF routinely demolished cities... Bollocks
Brilliant👍
i dont think the officer was shot because he moved and scouted ahead off the bat, but because his troops are yelling at him like if the germans werent alert already they were now.
Nah. The vehicles already made enough noise that the Germans would've heard them coming from a hundred meters away or farther. He was shot because he walked ahead in the open and put up his binoculars. The use of binoculars was something that pretty much just spotters and officers did and both were among the preferred targets of snipers. In fact in the hierarchy of targets for snipers, officers are second only behind the #1 priority; enemy snipers. So he walked out in the open, raised the binoculars and the sniper went "Officer!" and shot him. The Germans certainly would've started firing soon anyway, but the easy shot at such a high value target was enough to get it started.
A Bridge Too Far is still the #1 Goofball Garden movie for me.
At 16:00 is that Germans with an American 30cal machine gun ?
Yes
You'd honestly be surprised at the sheer amount of captured weapons the Germans actually used. There's a ton of historical photos online of Fallschirmjägers especially armed with American weapons.
Jagdpanther on scene JagdPanzer iv on picture 17:00 two different tanks
Jagdpanther in the series, jagdpanzer in the actual events. The vid discusses what really happened, so it goes on with jagdpanzer
I would have thought a Mark IVs would be more like it
jagd panther is what that was not a jagd panzer close just a minor detail
Was my comment deleted?
I think so :/ what happened? It was actually an interesting one
UA-cam strikes again!
I love Band of Brothers, but in this they dont mention Poles who fight there....as a Pole, im sad :( 1st Independent Parachute Brigade fight there..
Same operation, different sector. 1st para brigade was meant to be dropped in the area of the British first para division. Band of Brothers is about the US 101st para division. Between them and the Polish force was yet another division: the US 82nd para division. So it was not that odd that the Poles were not mentioned, they fought and died 50 kilometers to the north.
Don't worry, some of us still remember what they did, and how they were falsly blamed for the failure.
@@sjonnieplayfull5859 Thank you :)
Please do the pacific next.
All German tanks are Tigers and all German pistols are Lugers.
Sarcasm?
Lol
Riding on tanks is just stupid. This means the tanks cannot react to any threat until the infantry get off. They will be dead by the time this occurs.
There is no way they would just ride on a tank right up to an enemy position.
The Russians did it all the time. They lacked proper tracked troop transports, so this way they always had infantry with them. An ambush would usually cost them a tank with the troops riding it, but they could react right away, instead of waiting for marching infantry to reach the position. At the moment it cost them troops, but giving the enemy time to build new defences further back costs more troops.
Please react to every episode PLEASE! I love your videos man keep up the good work!
Field Marshall Montgomery was responsible for that disaster.
Der Panzer der in 16.34 min. Gezeigt wird ist nicht ein "Jagdpanzer" sondern ein "Jagdpanther" also wie das Tier. Kleiner Fehler aber trotzdem gutes viedeo 👍🏻
I was hoping to see this comment!❤
Depicted in the series is a jagdpanther. The guide as well as historical sources talk about jagdpanzers. The vid chooses to follow the narrative of the guide, not the series.
@@sjonnieplayfull5859 Jagdpanther is a type of jagdpanzer(tankhunter). Jagdpanzer(model) is also a type of jagdpanzer(tankhunter. The guy in the video is clearly referring to the series, which is why he is wrong.
That's a jagd panther, not panzer
A jagpanther is a jagdpanzer a jagdpanzer is a panzer
Hi from the netherlands
bro it’s not even a tiger tank it’s a yagdpanther
Thats actually a jagdpanther not a jagdpanzer
In the series it was a, Jagdpanther replica. However in real life Panzer Brigade 107 had Jagdpanzer IVs.
And technically the Jagdpanther is still a tank hunter(jagdpanzer/panzerjager).
It’s a Panther (jagdpanther)
8,27 it'ss not a tiger it's a panzer 4 ore panzer 5 (panther)
The paratroops could’ve just set fire to the hay covering the panzer. One of the weakest parts of an otherwise excellent series.
Just walk there and use a match?
Ambrose the hack.
I take any American source, historiographical, primary or otherwise with a massive grain of salt especially when it involves descriptions of British forces.
I don't think incompetent and arrogant is the right way to describe the British forces in ww2
According the Stephen Ambrose the "historian" who wrote Band of Brothers it was. He seemed to relish every possible opportunity to insult the British as: incompetent, lazy, stupid and cowardly. How someone could have the nerve to insult those fought in ww2 (when he never fought in any conflict) I really don't know. But unfortunately Hollywood loved his attitude.
Just the Generals but that counts for all of them
@@slin2903 No.
@@Apollo890 America that's why if it makes them look bad it gets thrown out, if they aren't the centre of attention they don't care, if the British aren't being portrayed incompetent, lazy and stupid it won't sell why because its an American created myth about the British of WW2 it was very effective in fact if not for the British army holding off 70%of the German armour at Normandy the Americans wouldn't have been able to break out of Omaha and on the topic of commanders say what you want about Monty but atleast he didn't antisemitic views like Patton oh yeah, he expressed shocking even for its time antisemitic views. His comments about Holocaust survivors are some of the most disgusting things I've read
“Harrison and his ilk believe that the Displaced Person is a human being, which he is not, and this applies particularly to the Jews who are lower than animals,” Patton wrote. He told of taking his commander, Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower, to tour a makeshift synagogue set up to commemorate the holy day of Yom Kippur.
“We entered the synagogue, which was packed with the greatest stinking mass of humanity I have ever seen,” Patton wrote. “Of course, I have seen them since the beginning and marveled that beings alleged to be made in the form of God can look the way they do or act the way they act.”
Other evidence emerged revealing not only Patton’s disdain for the Jews in the camps, but an odd admiration for the Nazi prisoners of war under his watch.
Under Patton, Nazis prisoners were not only bunked at times with Jewish survivors, but were even allowed to hold positions of authority, despite orders from Eisenhower to “de-Nazify” the camps.
“Listen,” Patton told one of his officers of the Nazis, “if you need these men, keep them and don’t worry about anything else.”
@@Apollo890 Ambrose is shit that’s all u need to know. On top of ur point he basically altered history and changed many stories etc in his book. Took inspiration from other veteran stories and moulded them to fit into easy company story
Nice sword from Skyrim😅
AS a dutch person it's a shame they didn't really focus on the battles around Hell's Highway or depict the battles more historically accurate. While the theme of the episode centered around replacements makes sense. I feel like this is one of the weaker episodes of BoB.
This guy was not in the militarybut sounds like he was a general😂
Jagdpanther they potray not a Hetzer.