I like to think that the 13th Doctor was influenced by Doc Brown’s madness after the 12th Doctor met him in LEGO Dimensions. No really, Doctor Who & Back to the Future had crossovered with each other in that game. And that was a big deal, especially when when both franchises were often debated as to what time machine’s better.
Interesting theory about the TARDIS. It keeps the logic that although mindwiped, the Doctor is still the Doctor. Hell. Maybe he stole the same TARDIS and the TARDIS remembered him and chose the form of the police box. The TARDIS has shown a certain level of awareness in the past, so its completely possible. I was so happy to see Paul McGann, my first Doctor, back in his Night of the Doctor outfit. Also, just shout out to William Russell who came back to play Ian Chesterton after all these years. The First Doctor's First Companion.
Honestly, 13 felt far more like someone pretending to be the doctor but not understanding why the doctor did what he did, like empathy and pacifism and such, say perhaps the master after their sisyfication, which explains the murder and siding with a company over its employees, and the murder.
As a minor correction, series 16 of the Classic era was the first serialised entire season - the Key to Time arc. Though you could make a case that many First and Second Doctor series were one long continues arc. Series 13 was the first from the New series. Otherwise, I' absolutely concur with pretty much everything here on the Chibnall era. The most heartbreaking thing is, even a lot of the things I didn't like were things that, ON PAPER, I would be absolutely for, and yet the execution was consistently mixed - a lot of good, some truly great, but a lot of bad. Even the Timeless Child isn't a bad idea, nor is getting rid of Gallifrey again, but wrapping the two up with each other after the revelation of the War Doctor and the restoration of Gallifrey got it off on the wrong foot out of the gate. I certainly hope Sacha and Jodie returns to their roles someday, whether it be a multi-Doctor anniversary special or Big Finish, but frankly I'm happy to see the back of Chibnall.
18:46 It sounds convoluted compared to the popular theory that Jon Martin’s Fugitive Doctor was actually the 2nd regeneration of the Doctor after the Gallifreians forced the 2nd Doctor to regenerate… since we didn’t see the 2nd Doctor regenerate into the 3rd Doctor unlike the other regenerations.
Your theory on the TARDIS is actually pretty good and makes sense . I can’t wait to see you cover the 14th Doctor. I love the actor in the role but the specials made me bang my head a few times trying to make sense of how.
Doctor Who tackling sensitive events can be done, like the First Doctor episode The Massacre, which is sadly a lost story but reconstructions of the story with actually audio recordings of the televised broadcast show it was a well written story.
2:49 I really dislike this attitude. If the Doctor was always left-handed and the new actor is right-handed, I agree, criticism is bizarre, but telling them: “You are not a fan; f*ck off”, makes you the villain. The human race advances by _overcoming_ hate, not _redirecting_ it. We beat sexism/racism by treating them as human traits like handedness, hair colour, accent, whatever… When you use them as excuses to treat real humans as trash, you’re actually creating resentment and social division around sex and race. That’s the damage of virtue signaling.
Wanted to love her but ended up being indifferent about the 13th Doctor. While she came off as the awkward little sister of 10th and the 11th I well preferred the Fugitive Doctor who felt better performed in my opinion. This series had good set of companions but a great Master.
I wanted to like Jodie, i really did. But that first season did a lot of damage. Along with BBC's weird rollout of the series for American viewers, I had a hard time watching it at all until it was finally released on HBO Max. Honestly, I could just never connect with her fully as The Doctor. She went on to have some amazing episodes, but something just never fully clicked for me. Still, I respect the hell out of her for being the first female Doctor!
So this is a mixed bag of a run. The ideas are great but the execution is very hit or miss for me. Jodie's take on the doctor is alright, not bad but not exactly good either. Though gram is my favorite companion of 13
I'm still ambivalent as to the full details of the Timeless Child reveal, but the thing that had bothered me most at the time was the build-up. Before he goes away at the beginning of the season, the Master reveals that he discovered a horrible secret, one so bad that he felt it necessary to destroy the Time Lord civilization, which had still been trying to build itself back after its secret survival of the Time War. So the question is, what was so horrible that the Master felt that burning it all down and salting the earth was the correct response? Then in the finale, we get the answer and it seems...underwhelming. The Doctor has a more complex secret history that ties into how Gallifreyans can regenerate. Where's the horror? Where's the great ungodly acts? And then I had an epiphany. Who's telling the story? THE MASTER. And the Master is NUTS. He's also obsessed with the Doctor. So he finds out that his rival is secretly a very important figure in their society's history, goes ape over it, and destroys it all in a cosmic-scale tantrum. Yeah, that tracks. That's why it felt like it has so much gravitas until we open the Mystery Box, because the Master is inflating it all out of sheer ego. So going forward, the Timeless Child thing should only have as much importance as the Doctor themselves deems necessary. And obsessing over it is just following in the steps of the Master. And as we've all learned by now, that way lies ruin. Also, E-Rod, don't pretend you weren't excited to see David Tennant again.
"Don't like thisnpart of a thing I like? Then get out, you're not welcome, this thing was never meant for you, you wont be missed, shut up, you're not allowed to have an opinion!" I am so sick of this attitude. No dissenting opinions allowed in modern fandom, just consume current thing and get excited for next thing 🤮
Excellent video. I feel I should watch this era, I didn't see it at the time due to other things going on in my life. When she was announced I was very happy! I know spoilers, but I will try and look at her era. Still what a mark she made!
The main reason I hate the timeless child is because the show runner chris chibnal admitted he only did it for shock value and had no intentions of following through with the if he'd stayed on.
Well, nice that we finally got to see a review of the 13th Doctor! Though I’m a bit surprised to see him a bit…disappointed?…with David Tennant’s return.
I am now officially retired of Doctor Who, as it's now dead to me, after everything in the series got messed up. Examples: • The Fugitive Doctor, played by Jo Martin, revealing to be a past incarnation, before the First Doctor. • The Doctor being the Timeless Child. • The Fourteenth Doctor played by David Tennant, after playing the Tenth Doctor. • Disney producing the series, alongside the BBC. • The bi-generation. • The Fifteenth Doctor played by Ncuti Gatwa. I like to pretend that the Twelfth Doctor regenerated into the Curator, played by Tom Baker from the 50th anniversary special, who is the true Thirteenth Doctor, and it would have been a true ending to the series, and a conclusion too.
Your theory about the fugitive doctor and the first doctor is good. You just need to add that the Tardis called out to the first doctor so possibly The Fugitive doctor programmed or became attached to the TARDIS before her capture and mind wipe etcetera yada yada.
I was all for a female Doctor, but with great expectations, better come with great writing. From most of the reviews, the 13th Doctor and her companions fell mostly flat. Something that infuriated me is how can BBC drop the ball that bad.
I just got done with a rewatch of Series 11. It’s got a couple of clunkers but for the most part I actually think time has been kind to it. Interested to see how S12 and Flux hold up.
@@ThePonderer You can't deny that damage has been done. Just compare how the 50th anniversary was treated compared to the 60th. The 50th was a worldwide event simulcast so that nobody would be spoiled. The 60th was just dumped onto Disney+. There have always been disagreements but the Timeless Child is a whole other beast. There's no coming back from negating William Hartnell as the First Doctor.
This was one of my favorite eras of the show. Jodi is one of my top 3 Doctors along with Tennant and Capaldi, and Sascha Dewan is my absolute favorite Master!
It's a shame that Jodie's Doctor was bogged down by such terrible writing and plot decisions. I'm one of those who just can't get past the idiotic Timeless Child storyline. I'm all for new little tidbits of lore about the Doctor's mysterious past. But, for me, this was just too much. And, in my opinion, it just feels like a massive disservice to William Hartnell. It felt like Chibnall didn't have any faith in Jodie's Doctor leaving a lasting impact on her own. So he felt the need to tie her era to a lore-shattering reveal. Unfortunately, this is all that her era will be known for. With mediocre companions and equally mediocre to bad episodes, the most lasting impact will be this lore change and the Last Jedi effect it had on the Doctor Who fandom. There was a way this could have been turned around. RTD had every opportunity to make things right and retcon this idiotic plot choice. Instead he has decided to double down on it. A shame because one of my friends came up with an interesting retcon storyline idea in like five minutes: where it could have been revealed that the Matrix had lied to the Doctor and the Master about the Timeless Child in order to mentally prevent the arrival of the Valeyard. Heck, it would have made more sense if the Master had been revealed to be the Timeless Child. Doctor Who, in my opinion, has been poorly handled for many years now. The 13th Doctor's Era and the 60th anniversary specials were filled with just too many poor writing choices and idiotic lore decisions. From the Timeless Child to the idiotic bigeneration, which has negated Ncuti as a spin-off Doctor from the get-go. I'm glad that you, Erod, have found more enjoyment in these eras. But, for me, the end of the 60th specials was my jumping off point. To me, good Doctor Who ended when Capaldi regenerated.
My only issue with the 13th's Tardis interior was the scale. The design I absofuckinglutely love because it gives an atmosphere of something ancient, organic, and mysterious (I'm also something of a casual G1 Bionicle fan so stuff like this has a way of drawing me in) which is a perfect description of the Tardis itself....but it just feels like a big tent at some kind of festival rather than a spaceship interior. I think they should've added in some caves and maybe something that implies bioluminescence to create an impression of both scale and complexity.
I like Jodie Whittaker as the doctor. I feel like a lot of the writing was a little off. The doctor has darkness, and I don't think we ever saw enough from Jodies doctor. Also, there were the two hits to the series Canon. The fact that there actually was a difference between the genders. So regenerating into a woman was impossible with a NORMAL regeneration. And then the Timeless child retcon kind of soured the rest of her run. There were ways to weave it into the story so it made sense if the doctor regenerated into a woman. And there was even a way for the Timeless child to be inside of the doctor without being the doctor. But they didn't care about the series Canon so they just made two big potholes and called everyone who didn't like it prejudiced. 😑😑
I agree with you, ERod. I liked Jodie just fine, but there were so many weak episodes for her. It's a real shame. Also, does anyone else think her first line should have been "Still not ginger!"? 😉
There was a lot behind the scenes chaos during Chibnall's run, chaos to the point mainstream news in the UK was starting to call out the BBC for keeping Chibnal in charge of the series. While I will say I only liked The Power of The Doctor and The Fugitive of the Judoon of Chibnal's run. Jo Martin aka The Fugitive Doctor to me felt more like The Doctor than Jodie did personal preference. Even though The Timeless Child is a controversial subject in The Doctors history... for some reason Chibnal never continued that story which.. annoyed me. Thankfully Russel is doing his best to actually TELL that story
For a start there were no chaos behind the scenes as they were just lies. Chibnall set up the timeless child to further deepen the doctor's mystery. Mofatt having different characters say "doctor who" a million times was his idea of trying to create something and it was terrible. Chibnall said that the timeless child could be ignored or run with by a future showrunner. RTD is running with it because it is a good story to tell. Finally with covid the fact we had dr who at all was freaking amazing and who knows if a normal length series would have been different. POTD was better then the 60th and on par with the 50th. The special actually celebrated all of who and not just new who and series 4. Jodie was pregnant during filming of it and so was the first timelord to actually have two hearts, beat that.
i have nothing agents Jodie but i always felt like making the 13th doctor a woman was more dishonest then on top of that YOU MAD HER THE 13TH DOCTOR ....WHY!!!?...thats the most unluckiest number around its a wonder that there wasn't more problems with the show
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I always feel bad for Jodie Whittaker for her stint as the Doctor. It has the potential to be good, go back to being a fun romp through time and space after the "grim fairy tale" vibe Steven Moffat went for, but the writing just doesn't back it up. Everything is so bland and forgettable I can't even remember how many series there were never mind what happened in them
I really disliked this era, mostly due to the weakness of a lot of episodes. Felt like a lot of the ideas could have made for strong episodes but the execution was mediocre. I especially disliked the companions, not the actors themselves who I think did what they could with what was given to them, but they felt very interchangeable and having almost no personality (I remember watching with my wife and guessing whose turn it was to just make the pointless remark before the doctor answers and finally find a solution to problem X). I really enjoyed that take on the doctor and the master though. I really thought the performances were top notch considering the script given (especially some of the speaches that felt very forced).
Oh yeah, a bang alright, with the ratings plummeting and the threat of cancellation by Chibnall's own admission. There's a reason Flux was only 6 episodes and why they tapped RTD for the new era to renew interest. None of this is Jodie's fault, but the mismanagement of this era has been plain from the start.
I HATE this era of the show. I dont like this doctor. The companions are as interesting as a bowl of oatmeal. The villains sucked, the story arcs were stupid and the timeless child is an unnecessary and idiotic plot point... With that being said I don't blame any of this on Whittaker. She did the best she could with what she was given. Even if i personally think she was miscast she still gave it her all and I'm sure with a better script she would have changed my mind (come on big finish). But my biggest issue with this era is one thing. It's uncreative. Doctor who at it's best is going for things you could never expect. Fun new original settings and monsters. But instead we get an almost converted Cyberman, space amazon and at it's worst giant spiders. Not alien spiders just giant regular earth spiders. That is so unbelievably lame that it hurts. Chris Chibnal in my opinion just didn't fit doctor who. I'd personally argue he's not a good writer at all and got lucky with Broadchurch given what he's said about it. But i wish him no ill will and I hope he finds a new writing gig suitable for him. That being said im so happy people like RTD and Steven Moffat are back. I finally feel like the show i loved is back.
Yeah #notmydoctor was a fan cry form hardcore fans who was agents the doctor being playing the women. And yep I was happy david tennant came back to bring back the hardcore fans and The toymaker would say. Well that's alright then
I Think Jodie was good 2 but by her second season I started to see problems with how they were writing this era, just the writing though nothing against the actors themselves
I wanted to like the Jodie era, but it was just not good. "Woke" is the best way to describe it. And when I say that I don't mean what messages it tackles, I mean HOW they were presented. Woke to me means preachy. All my life tv and movies have rarely felt preachy. It seems to only be a problem that has come up in like the last decade. And it's very distracting and really takes the enjoyment out of watching modern shows. She was a good doctor, it's a shame the writing was so bad.
sorry but because of criticism of first two seasons, I am not interested in watching this era. I am sorry that Jodie Whittaker didn't get better written episodes.
Oh boy, this will get me cancelled Jodie wasn't the Doctor to me. It's nothing to do with her gender, that is a smoke screen. The problem is that Jodie is too nice. Look, one of the first roles I saw David Tennent in was the remake of a show called Randal and Hopkirk (Deceased). Don't bother looking it up, it wasn't great despite some fantastic cameos. Tennent played a lunatic murderer that killed his wife because Charles Dance, who played his agent, convinced him to. Anyway, the point is Jodie could never play a role like that. She's goofy on occasion, but mostly harmless. Opposed to the questionable insanity of previous actors in the role. When Capaldi grins at something you don't know if he's man or a shark. Tennent is off the wall crazy when he's let off his leash and Matt Smith is so method I'm half convinced he's actually moved to Westeros these days! Don't get me started on the classic Doctors. Tom Baker is certifiable, Colin isn't that far behind, Jon Pertwee and Pat Troughton would have water pistol fights at conventions... Characters all, on and off screen. Jodie is a nice, kind and thoughtful person that comes across as someone you meet in the street. She neither has the presence nor the shear alienness of what had gone before. She's a good actress I give you that, but it didn't feel like she brought much more to the role. The result was effectively a muted and "low fat" version of the bombastic Timelord that we all knew and loved. The lacklustre scripts, crude direction and a crowded TARDIS from the get go didn't help much with that. We never really got a chance to see her shine. Distracted by all the other people both in the Tardis and the new ensemble that appeared every episode. With Chibnall proving he was a talentless hack at every turn (The Timeless Child storyline was "adapted" from the 80's story arc known as the Cartmell Masterplan while trying to turn the Doctor into some self-insert fanfic) is it any wonder people left the show in droves.
I’ll be honest. I stopped watching the show at this point. Not because of her, she was fantastic but the scripts were terrible. It’s such a shame that the first female doctor got some of the worst writing.
I loved Jodie Whittaker as the Doctor, and I especially loved she got multiple companions right from the start. I also think her introduction episode was a lot better then Peter Capaldi's.
I do not have a problem with a woman playing the Doctor, but I do have a problem with how her episodes are written, putting her gender up front and center and being misandrist to all male characters. Sorry, ERod, but after Capaldi, Doctor Who has gone down the toilet, and the ratings definitely show. Girls were always fans of Doctor Who, so suddenly pandering to just them once the 13th Doctor happened, is the same thing that started the downfall of Star Wars. You shouldn't pander to a certain percentage of your audience, you should pander to the majority percentage, thereby satisfying everyone. But when you pander to a small percentage of your audience (namely feminists and activists), you please NOBODY. Trying so hard to be inclusive, you actually exclude a LOT of people.
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Listen it's not that it was them nakin the doctir a winan, it was the performance for ne and akso I felt the costume was just average, hobestky the trailer was so off putting to ne that made me never watch the 13th, and thus I a long tine hardwire Dr.Who fan, left the beloved franchise that I loved and count as a must watch to be a true SiFi lover
This is the beginning of the end for Doctor WHO. Many fans didn’t like this era. Too much of The message and bad feminism. Also look what they did with the Fugitive Doctor retcon. No one likes that.
My only problem with these seasons/episodes is the fact that the BBC politicised it to death. If it didnt feel like a political move to put whittaker in, I would have loved her, even at the start. The relationships felt forced for the majority of it, the addition of more things that feel both like an insult to the fandom and a poltical moved made me reconsider the franchise in its modern 'regeneration'. Doctor Who should be appropriately contemporary. But, it shouldnt reflect the OPINIONS of a studio as opposed to the individuals. If there was preamble to any of the political additions, I wouldnt have batted an eye. But there was literally none. Did we need the 'first' doctor to be a black women? No, they could have been literally anyone. But the studio decided on the most political choice possible. In my high sci-fi adventures, I dont want to think a out poltical machinations of a company.
I like to think that the 13th Doctor was influenced by Doc Brown’s madness after the 12th Doctor met him in LEGO Dimensions. No really, Doctor Who & Back to the Future had crossovered with each other in that game. And that was a big deal, especially when when both franchises were often debated as to what time machine’s better.
Interesting theory about the TARDIS. It keeps the logic that although mindwiped, the Doctor is still the Doctor. Hell. Maybe he stole the same TARDIS and the TARDIS remembered him and chose the form of the police box. The TARDIS has shown a certain level of awareness in the past, so its completely possible.
I was so happy to see Paul McGann, my first Doctor, back in his Night of the Doctor outfit. Also, just shout out to William Russell who came back to play Ian Chesterton after all these years. The First Doctor's First Companion.
Honestly, 13 felt far more like someone pretending to be the doctor but not understanding why the doctor did what he did, like empathy and pacifism and such, say perhaps the master after their sisyfication, which explains the murder and siding with a company over its employees, and the murder.
As a minor correction, series 16 of the Classic era was the first serialised entire season - the Key to Time arc. Though you could make a case that many First and Second Doctor series were one long continues arc. Series 13 was the first from the New series.
Otherwise, I' absolutely concur with pretty much everything here on the Chibnall era. The most heartbreaking thing is, even a lot of the things I didn't like were things that, ON PAPER, I would be absolutely for, and yet the execution was consistently mixed - a lot of good, some truly great, but a lot of bad. Even the Timeless Child isn't a bad idea, nor is getting rid of Gallifrey again, but wrapping the two up with each other after the revelation of the War Doctor and the restoration of Gallifrey got it off on the wrong foot out of the gate. I certainly hope Sacha and Jodie returns to their roles someday, whether it be a multi-Doctor anniversary special or Big Finish, but frankly I'm happy to see the back of Chibnall.
18:46 It sounds convoluted compared to the popular theory that Jon Martin’s Fugitive Doctor was actually the 2nd regeneration of the Doctor after the Gallifreians forced the 2nd Doctor to regenerate… since we didn’t see the 2nd Doctor regenerate into the 3rd Doctor unlike the other regenerations.
Your theory on the TARDIS is actually pretty good and makes sense . I can’t wait to see you cover the 14th Doctor. I love the actor in the role but the specials made me bang my head a few times trying to make sense of how.
Doctor Who tackling sensitive events can be done, like the First Doctor episode The Massacre, which is sadly a lost story but reconstructions of the story with actually audio recordings of the televised broadcast show it was a well written story.
2:49 I really dislike this attitude. If the Doctor was always left-handed and the new actor is right-handed, I agree, criticism is bizarre, but telling them: “You are not a fan; f*ck off”, makes you the villain. The human race advances by _overcoming_ hate, not _redirecting_ it. We beat sexism/racism by treating them as human traits like handedness, hair colour, accent, whatever… When you use them as excuses to treat real humans as trash, you’re actually creating resentment and social division around sex and race. That’s the damage of virtue signaling.
Wanted to love her but ended up being indifferent about the 13th Doctor. While she came off as the awkward little sister of 10th and the 11th I well preferred the Fugitive Doctor who felt better performed in my opinion.
This series had good set of companions but a great Master.
Did anyone else get a faint crackling in their speakers, headphones, etc. towards the end of the video?
Oh so it wasn't my speakers! I heard it too.
@@TheLadySilverMoon Yeah, the audio musta messed up during editing or something.
i know i did
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I wanted to like Jodie, i really did. But that first season did a lot of damage. Along with BBC's weird rollout of the series for American viewers, I had a hard time watching it at all until it was finally released on HBO Max. Honestly, I could just never connect with her fully as The Doctor. She went on to have some amazing episodes, but something just never fully clicked for me. Still, I respect the hell out of her for being the first female Doctor!
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So this is a mixed bag of a run. The ideas are great but the execution is very hit or miss for me. Jodie's take on the doctor is alright, not bad but not exactly good either. Though gram is my favorite companion of 13
I blame her issues on Chipnil
I'm still ambivalent as to the full details of the Timeless Child reveal, but the thing that had bothered me most at the time was the build-up. Before he goes away at the beginning of the season, the Master reveals that he discovered a horrible secret, one so bad that he felt it necessary to destroy the Time Lord civilization, which had still been trying to build itself back after its secret survival of the Time War. So the question is, what was so horrible that the Master felt that burning it all down and salting the earth was the correct response?
Then in the finale, we get the answer and it seems...underwhelming. The Doctor has a more complex secret history that ties into how Gallifreyans can regenerate. Where's the horror? Where's the great ungodly acts?
And then I had an epiphany. Who's telling the story? THE MASTER. And the Master is NUTS. He's also obsessed with the Doctor. So he finds out that his rival is secretly a very important figure in their society's history, goes ape over it, and destroys it all in a cosmic-scale tantrum. Yeah, that tracks. That's why it felt like it has so much gravitas until we open the Mystery Box, because the Master is inflating it all out of sheer ego.
So going forward, the Timeless Child thing should only have as much importance as the Doctor themselves deems necessary. And obsessing over it is just following in the steps of the Master. And as we've all learned by now, that way lies ruin.
Also, E-Rod, don't pretend you weren't excited to see David Tennant again.
6:35 but he didn't regenerate into Matt Smith!
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Excellent video. I feel I should watch this era, I didn't see it at the time due to other things going on in my life. When she was announced I was very happy! I know spoilers, but I will try and look at her era. Still what a mark she made!
The main reason I hate the timeless child is because the show runner chris chibnal admitted he only did it for shock value and had no intentions of following through with the if he'd stayed on.
Well, nice that we finally got to see a review of the 13th Doctor! Though I’m a bit surprised to see him a bit…disappointed?…with David Tennant’s return.
I am now officially retired of Doctor Who, as it's now dead to me, after everything in the series got messed up.
Examples:
• The Fugitive Doctor, played by Jo Martin, revealing to be a past incarnation, before the First Doctor.
• The Doctor being the Timeless Child.
• The Fourteenth Doctor played by David Tennant, after playing the Tenth Doctor.
• Disney producing the series, alongside the BBC.
• The bi-generation.
• The Fifteenth Doctor played by Ncuti Gatwa.
I like to pretend that the Twelfth Doctor regenerated into the Curator, played by Tom Baker from the 50th anniversary special, who is the true Thirteenth Doctor, and it would have been a true ending to the series, and a conclusion too.
Your theory about the fugitive doctor and the first doctor is good. You just need to add that the Tardis called out to the first doctor so possibly The Fugitive doctor programmed or became attached to the TARDIS before her capture and mind wipe etcetera yada yada.
I was all for a female Doctor, but with great expectations, better come with great writing.
From most of the reviews, the 13th Doctor and her companions fell mostly flat.
Something that infuriated me is how can BBC drop the ball that bad.
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I just got done with a rewatch of Series 11. It’s got a couple of clunkers but for the most part I actually think time has been kind to it. Interested to see how S12 and Flux hold up.
Season 12 is going to be forever be remembered as the season that properly shattered the Doctor Who fandom thanks to the Timeless Child.
@@WhovianRoxasbecause fandom was so United and cohesive beforehand…
@@ThePonderer You can't deny that damage has been done. Just compare how the 50th anniversary was treated compared to the 60th. The 50th was a worldwide event simulcast so that nobody would be spoiled. The 60th was just dumped onto Disney+. There have always been disagreements but the Timeless Child is a whole other beast. There's no coming back from negating William Hartnell as the First Doctor.
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Too bad the ratings fell off a cliff and put the series in a coma for like what 4 years? Great job Jodie XD!!!!!!
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Dan Lewis was very much played by his actor; the comedian John Bishop who very much has a strong love for his home city of Liverpool.
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This was one of my favorite eras of the show. Jodi is one of my top 3 Doctors along with Tennant and Capaldi, and Sascha Dewan is my absolute favorite Master!
It's a shame that Jodie's Doctor was bogged down by such terrible writing and plot decisions. I'm one of those who just can't get past the idiotic Timeless Child storyline. I'm all for new little tidbits of lore about the Doctor's mysterious past. But, for me, this was just too much. And, in my opinion, it just feels like a massive disservice to William Hartnell. It felt like Chibnall didn't have any faith in Jodie's Doctor leaving a lasting impact on her own. So he felt the need to tie her era to a lore-shattering reveal. Unfortunately, this is all that her era will be known for. With mediocre companions and equally mediocre to bad episodes, the most lasting impact will be this lore change and the Last Jedi effect it had on the Doctor Who fandom.
There was a way this could have been turned around. RTD had every opportunity to make things right and retcon this idiotic plot choice. Instead he has decided to double down on it. A shame because one of my friends came up with an interesting retcon storyline idea in like five minutes: where it could have been revealed that the Matrix had lied to the Doctor and the Master about the Timeless Child in order to mentally prevent the arrival of the Valeyard. Heck, it would have made more sense if the Master had been revealed to be the Timeless Child.
Doctor Who, in my opinion, has been poorly handled for many years now. The 13th Doctor's Era and the 60th anniversary specials were filled with just too many poor writing choices and idiotic lore decisions. From the Timeless Child to the idiotic bigeneration, which has negated Ncuti as a spin-off Doctor from the get-go. I'm glad that you, Erod, have found more enjoyment in these eras. But, for me, the end of the 60th specials was my jumping off point. To me, good Doctor Who ended when Capaldi regenerated.
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to me, i didn't care if was a woman, a guy or even a them/they, as long as we got the doctor, that all that matters
I heard that Jodie's season wasn't very good ... sad to hear it confirmed from ERod.
Thank you for mentioning The Timeless Child I thought that was the most terrible episode they ever made and the most stupidest origin ever.
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My only issue with the 13th's Tardis interior was the scale. The design I absofuckinglutely love because it gives an atmosphere of something ancient, organic, and mysterious (I'm also something of a casual G1 Bionicle fan so stuff like this has a way of drawing me in) which is a perfect description of the Tardis itself....but it just feels like a big tent at some kind of festival rather than a spaceship interior.
I think they should've added in some caves and maybe something that implies bioluminescence to create an impression of both scale and complexity.
It looks downright UGLY, in my opinion. I mean, what the hell was with those crystals?!
I like Jodie Whittaker as the doctor. I feel like a lot of the writing was a little off. The doctor has darkness, and I don't think we ever saw enough from Jodies doctor.
Also, there were the two hits to the series Canon. The fact that there actually was a difference between the genders. So regenerating into a woman was impossible with a NORMAL regeneration. And then the Timeless child retcon kind of soured the rest of her run.
There were ways to weave it into the story so it made sense if the doctor regenerated into a woman. And there was even a way for the Timeless child to be inside of the doctor without being the doctor. But they didn't care about the series Canon so they just made two big potholes and called everyone who didn't like it prejudiced. 😑😑
I agree with you, ERod. I liked Jodie just fine, but there were so many weak episodes for her. It's a real shame. Also, does anyone else think her first line should have been "Still not ginger!"? 😉
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This gave me more confidence to jump into Jodi's era. I haven't heard great things but now I have some good episodes to check out
There was a lot behind the scenes chaos during Chibnall's run, chaos to the point mainstream news in the UK was starting to call out the BBC for keeping Chibnal in charge of the series. While I will say I only liked The Power of The Doctor and The Fugitive of the Judoon of Chibnal's run. Jo Martin aka The Fugitive Doctor to me felt more like The Doctor than Jodie did personal preference.
Even though The Timeless Child is a controversial subject in The Doctors history... for some reason Chibnal never continued that story which.. annoyed me. Thankfully Russel is doing his best to actually TELL that story
For a start there were no chaos behind the scenes as they were just lies. Chibnall set up the timeless child to further deepen the doctor's mystery. Mofatt having different characters say "doctor who" a million times was his idea of trying to create something and it was terrible. Chibnall said that the timeless child could be ignored or run with by a future showrunner. RTD is running with it because it is a good story to tell. Finally with covid the fact we had dr who at all was freaking amazing and who knows if a normal length series would have been different. POTD was better then the 60th and on par with the 50th. The special actually celebrated all of who and not just new who and series 4. Jodie was pregnant during filming of it and so was the first timelord to actually have two hearts, beat that.
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I think he did a video on that movie already.
You are being apologetic for the Fugitive Doctor.
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i have nothing agents Jodie but i always felt like making the 13th doctor a woman was more dishonest
then on top of that YOU MAD HER THE 13TH DOCTOR ....WHY!!!?...thats the most unluckiest number around its a wonder that there wasn't more problems with the show
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And on top of that, the timeless child ruined the mythology of, 11th save galifrey and Chinball ruined it.
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I always feel bad for Jodie Whittaker for her stint as the Doctor. It has the potential to be good, go back to being a fun romp through time and space after the "grim fairy tale" vibe Steven Moffat went for, but the writing just doesn't back it up. Everything is so bland and forgettable I can't even remember how many series there were never mind what happened in them
I really disliked this era, mostly due to the weakness of a lot of episodes. Felt like a lot of the ideas could have made for strong episodes but the execution was mediocre.
I especially disliked the companions, not the actors themselves who I think did what they could with what was given to them, but they felt very interchangeable and having almost no personality (I remember watching with my wife and guessing whose turn it was to just make the pointless remark before the doctor answers and finally find a solution to problem X).
I really enjoyed that take on the doctor and the master though. I really thought the performances were top notch considering the script given (especially some of the speaches that felt very forced).
While Jodie's time as the Doctor may have started divisive, it can't be denied she went out with a bang.
It also ended very divisive. Don't believe me? Look at all the ratings during her run.
Oh yeah, a bang alright, with the ratings plummeting and the threat of cancellation by Chibnall's own admission. There's a reason Flux was only 6 episodes and why they tapped RTD for the new era to renew interest. None of this is Jodie's fault, but the mismanagement of this era has been plain from the start.
I HATE this era of the show. I dont like this doctor. The companions are as interesting as a bowl of oatmeal. The villains sucked, the story arcs were stupid and the timeless child is an unnecessary and idiotic plot point...
With that being said I don't blame any of this on Whittaker. She did the best she could with what she was given. Even if i personally think she was miscast she still gave it her all and I'm sure with a better script she would have changed my mind (come on big finish). But my biggest issue with this era is one thing. It's uncreative.
Doctor who at it's best is going for things you could never expect. Fun new original settings and monsters. But instead we get an almost converted Cyberman, space amazon and at it's worst giant spiders. Not alien spiders just giant regular earth spiders. That is so unbelievably lame that it hurts.
Chris Chibnal in my opinion just didn't fit doctor who. I'd personally argue he's not a good writer at all and got lucky with Broadchurch given what he's said about it. But i wish him no ill will and I hope he finds a new writing gig suitable for him. That being said im so happy people like RTD and Steven Moffat are back. I finally feel like the show i loved is back.
And her outfit look like mork from mork and mindy nanoo nanoo
Yeah #notmydoctor was a fan cry form hardcore fans who was agents the doctor being playing the women.
And yep I was happy david tennant came back to bring back the hardcore fans and The toymaker would say.
Well that's alright then
I Think Jodie was good 2 but by her second season I started to see problems with how they were writing this era, just the writing though nothing against the actors themselves
I wanted to like the Jodie era, but it was just not good. "Woke" is the best way to describe it. And when I say that I don't mean what messages it tackles, I mean HOW they were presented. Woke to me means preachy. All my life tv and movies have rarely felt preachy. It seems to only be a problem that has come up in like the last decade. And it's very distracting and really takes the enjoyment out of watching modern shows.
She was a good doctor, it's a shame the writing was so bad.
sorry but because of criticism of first two seasons, I am not interested in watching this era. I am sorry that Jodie Whittaker didn't get better written episodes.
Oh boy, this will get me cancelled
Jodie wasn't the Doctor to me. It's nothing to do with her gender, that is a smoke screen. The problem is that Jodie is too nice. Look, one of the first roles I saw David Tennent in was the remake of a show called Randal and Hopkirk (Deceased). Don't bother looking it up, it wasn't great despite some fantastic cameos. Tennent played a lunatic murderer that killed his wife because Charles Dance, who played his agent, convinced him to.
Anyway, the point is Jodie could never play a role like that. She's goofy on occasion, but mostly harmless. Opposed to the questionable insanity of previous actors in the role. When Capaldi grins at something you don't know if he's man or a shark. Tennent is off the wall crazy when he's let off his leash and Matt Smith is so method I'm half convinced he's actually moved to Westeros these days! Don't get me started on the classic Doctors. Tom Baker is certifiable, Colin isn't that far behind, Jon Pertwee and Pat Troughton would have water pistol fights at conventions... Characters all, on and off screen.
Jodie is a nice, kind and thoughtful person that comes across as someone you meet in the street. She neither has the presence nor the shear alienness of what had gone before. She's a good actress I give you that, but it didn't feel like she brought much more to the role. The result was effectively a muted and "low fat" version of the bombastic Timelord that we all knew and loved.
The lacklustre scripts, crude direction and a crowded TARDIS from the get go didn't help much with that. We never really got a chance to see her shine. Distracted by all the other people both in the Tardis and the new ensemble that appeared every episode.
With Chibnall proving he was a talentless hack at every turn (The Timeless Child storyline was "adapted" from the 80's story arc known as the Cartmell Masterplan while trying to turn the Doctor into some self-insert fanfic) is it any wonder people left the show in droves.
I’ll be honest. I stopped watching the show at this point. Not because of her, she was fantastic but the scripts were terrible. It’s such a shame that the first female doctor got some of the worst writing.
I'm ready for The Doctor to retire.
Permanently.
I thought that Jodie did a good job as the Doctor.
I loved Jodie Whittaker as the Doctor, and I especially loved she got multiple companions right from the start. I also think her introduction episode was a lot better then Peter Capaldi's.
Not everyone loves Jodie.
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Not you trying to justify The Timeless Children with nonsense.
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#notmydoctor was victorious.
I do not have a problem with a woman playing the Doctor, but I do have a problem with how her episodes are written, putting her gender up front and center and being misandrist to all male characters. Sorry, ERod, but after Capaldi, Doctor Who has gone down the toilet, and the ratings definitely show. Girls were always fans of Doctor Who, so suddenly pandering to just them once the 13th Doctor happened, is the same thing that started the downfall of Star Wars. You shouldn't pander to a certain percentage of your audience, you should pander to the majority percentage, thereby satisfying everyone. But when you pander to a small percentage of your audience (namely feminists and activists), you please NOBODY. Trying so hard to be inclusive, you actually exclude a LOT of people.
I like The 13th Doctor
have to disagree with you erod. the flux is the worst of jodies run. its a confusing incoherent mess
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Listen it's not that it was them nakin the doctir a winan, it was the performance for ne and akso I felt the costume was just average, hobestky the trailer was so off putting to ne that made me never watch the 13th, and thus I a long tine hardwire Dr.Who fan, left the beloved franchise that I loved and count as a must watch to be a true SiFi lover
This is the beginning of the end for Doctor WHO. Many fans didn’t like this era. Too much of The message and bad feminism. Also look what they did with the Fugitive Doctor retcon. No one likes that.
My only problem with these seasons/episodes is the fact that the BBC politicised it to death. If it didnt feel like a political move to put whittaker in, I would have loved her, even at the start. The relationships felt forced for the majority of it, the addition of more things that feel both like an insult to the fandom and a poltical moved made me reconsider the franchise in its modern 'regeneration'.
Doctor Who should be appropriately contemporary. But, it shouldnt reflect the OPINIONS of a studio as opposed to the individuals. If there was preamble to any of the political additions, I wouldnt have batted an eye. But there was literally none. Did we need the 'first' doctor to be a black women? No, they could have been literally anyone. But the studio decided on the most political choice possible. In my high sci-fi adventures, I dont want to think a out poltical machinations of a company.
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