Why Lucy Letby Wasn’t Stopped
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- Опубліковано 26 жов 2024
- Why was Lucy Letby not stopped sooner ?
The guardian has just released a one off podcast concerning the case of Lucy Letby which interviews a Journalist who spent a great deal of time at the trial and shares his own opinion on the case and Lucy Letby herself.
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You can check out the full podcast here www.theguardia...
Sounds to me like Tony Chambers and the rest of the upper management have a lot to answer for I strongly believe that hospital management should be regulated to have a body to answer to this is so horrific
I do agree with that about hospital management having regulation, and there's some obvious culprits there. But they are not the only ones. There's a bunch of regulation failings here around picking up on the death patterns and reporting/acting on them.
@@juliew1824 They WERE reported, they were not acted on, thats the problem.
Pauline - you know it is only the police that can conduct criminal investigations ? The most 'action' the managers could have taken (and yes should have) is to suspend her, and then inform the police. Hospital chief executive are not actual the most senior people in the universe. We're talking about a string of murders here not paperclip stealing.
@@juliew1824 That was what i was saying ffs, managers did NOTHING. Yes, the doctors should have went to the police sooner, and yes i know the only but investigation a hospital can do is a grievance one, but when they did that, they took her side from the outset. Dont blame the doctors for this, they did what they should have done, and what management did after that is unforgivable. They treated the whole thing like a grievance procedure between Doctors and Letby, and even washed their hands of that by outsourcing a mediator. That is basically telling both doctors and Letby: 'Go say your piece, then come out shaking hands'. That is what the public sector is like, a load of bureaucratic bullshit and gaslighting, which is typical of regular disputes, but this was literally life and death and they treated it like it was nothing.
@Pauline no they didn't do what they were supposed to do. The managers fcked up too. It isn't either/or - it's levels of culpability. And I'm not personally on a witch hunt for anyone left in jobs (some have gone) but you can't sentimentalise one party's failure to act - it's a false narrative.
I worked in the NHS for 20 years this one day i witnessed abuse on an elderly patient it was horrific i reported it to my manager nothing happened about the abuse i ended up getting bullied by my manger and colleagues for being a grass as they called it i ended up leaving the NHS best decision i ever made they dont want the scandal its disgusting what goes on in the NHS
I always hate using the NHS as the staff seem to have an attitude that they are doing you a favor by even lowering themselves to treat you. It's utterly frustrating.
You should have gone to the police.
good on u that u reported it though 🙌🏻💜💜
Thank you for sharing your chilling and very sad story.
We need MORE courageous people like you to stand up for vulnerable, defenceless, innocent human beings.
It goes on in the u s also.
The testimony of the parents, was spine chilling, it was so tragically sad for the loss of babies who could have survived, it's really worrying that the doctors were not taken seriously
Agree 💯%
Doctors shouldn’t have had to beg for meetings, jump through hoops and suffer intimidation when they had completely legitimate concerns.
Too much at stake with tiny babies dying unexpectedly.
Agreed, but when they wasn't listened to they should have got together and planted hidden cameras if they was sure, how would someone sleep at night feeling that they knew the nurse were killing these babies I feel it would be impossible to get even one good night's sleep, so that's why I would of planted hidden cameras to catch the culprit in the act, it would not be legal to use in court but I would have given it straight to the police
@@christina4018Exactly. I don't understand why the managers were quite happy to take the risk that more babies might die! When one of the consultants told the medical director that more babies would die if she wasn't removed and their answer was "We'll see". So let's take that chance when it comes to babies' lives! Unforgivable.
These top people at this hospital who had been told of what was happening but were brushing this under the carpet should be held accountable
Thank you for continuing to provide the details around this horrible case.
Much appreciated.
There is no face of a murderer.
As unbelievable as it is “someone like her” can most definitely be a cold hearted murderer.
I mean that her pictures paint such a goody two shoes. Prim and proper. Clean and courteous. Polite and kind looking.
When in fact she’s nothing but an evil, callous killer who targeted one of the most vulnerable babies.
She got away for as long as she did because of PRETTY privilege, WHITE privilege, FEMALE privilege ….. think about it …. Would a brown skin, average looking man been afforded the same amount of trust ?
Yeah, the Ken and Barbie killers, Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka were two of the most attractive, innocuous people you could ever hope to meet and yet they too were depraved, cruel serial killers.
Yep. Ted Bundy was considered to be good looking and personable. Harold Shipman was adored by his patients, and yet ………
@helenweatherby1694 Exactly. Even Jeffrey Dahmer was a handsome, blue eyed blonde. Enough to have his own female fanbase on Tiktok which is sick in the extreme, not to mention ridiculous. Dahmer wouldn't have had the time of day for females, although at least he wouldn't have eaten them as he did those poor males.
If you lived in Cheshire and/or Hereford where Letby is from, you would know that she has the typical look of a spoilt, horse riding rich girl. How did she own her own three bed semi detached house at her age in Chester? She's clearly rich and spoilt. Its always that type of person that preys upon the rest of us. That fake smile is so evil.
Honestly, one of the best channels to management the Lucy Letby crimes!
Good work! 👍
There’s a text message between her and another nurse where LL talks about a baby’s death she was affected by whilst working in Liverpool Women’s Hospital so there’s def been other baby deaths she’s witnessed..do not understand the people suggesting she’s innocent. Also some of the babies who were murdered were 34wks (Baby A and B) or 31 wks ( the triplets ) and this term of preterm baby isn’t in danger of dying. Huge misconception that these babies would die. No they would have survived and were in fact doing well, as recorded in medical notes. In neonatal units they know the risks and any destabilising of the baby is rarely sudden or out of nowhere. LL was the only nurse that was present at all 22 occasions! That’s some coincidence, not. She loved a night shift as rarely parents around.
@@Autisticwandererthey will be looking into any and every suspicious death , whilst under her care . Goodness knows where it will end .
Usually when babies die they know it's likely & will tell the parents. It's not often they die unexpectedly & without an obvious cause. These babies weren't expected to have serious problems & when they did the cause wasn't obvious & it was happening when she was working but stopped when she wasn't. Not saying this is proof but it's quite a coincidence. I've heard the virus, leaking pipes theories but why didn't these sudden unexplained collapses happen when she wasn't there?
All dead babies are dead when they die.
You are right. A lot people say impossible to prove her guilt ... they think premature babies' fate is to die anyway
This is level of knowledge they think it's required to make conclusions about this case
@@missperfectfeet Thanks.
Appalling how they did not listen to a senior padedatrician. Does anyone realise just how intelligent and skilled you have to be to reach this position. Doctors are too nice and respectable. They need to have far more power.
They're treated as anatagonists by managers, it seems. Or dismissed out of hand. Or seen as not that important to listen to in a timely manner about a bump in a death rate in a neonatal unit. Maybe the managers were stressed out and overworked, genuinely, but, they can shove that. Plenty of managers working in ailing services due to cutbacks and they still can get it together when it's on the line, despite the pressure of lack of funds
Its a superiority complex; the useless, TOTALLY replaceable pen pushers like to think of themselves as more important than actual doctors.
Everyone has the power to go to the police if they suspect a serious crime is happening, even if you are just a cleaning lady. We, as members of society have the obligation of protecting eatch other. I don´t have to ask anyone if I can complain to the police of any crime I know.
@@marinka424 That's extreme. It's unclear what they thought the police could actually do with so little direct evidence. Simply having her removed from the role was far more realistic.
I have immense respect for the doctors that spoke up about Lucy and wouldn't let it go. I just wish they had been more aggressive instead of that polite British passivity. If head Dr had loudly declared to NHS mgmt "if you don't go to police NOW, I WILL". I'm sure they would have stopped all the nonsense asap.
I would absolutely refuse to work another day in that hospital if I had suspicion of something like this happening...POLICE should have been called straight away!
exactly
How would you pay your mortgage if you just walked out your job like you're suggesting?
@@musicfuhrerit’s murder of babies. Ya figure it out.
But what evidence they had Vs the risk was massively against them doing so. Read the books by Peter Duffy, look at the cardiologist currently fighting off cost claims despite the GMC throwing out all 41 allegations made by the trust. See what happened with Chris Days case! By blaming the doctors who did raise concerns, you are almost as bad as the managers who protected and wanted to reinstate her. They did put their necks on the line and didn't have all the evidence that the police did. Even after police investigation it was not enough to determine if she was responsible for some of the deaths.
They went to management demanding an investigation. They risked everything.
Look at the root causes of the dangers here. 1, a psycho killer who trained as a nurse to continue as such. 2, a systemic and seriously troubling and dangerous system of hospital management where the worst managers who would cover this up, are promoted. There are good hospitals and good managers, but there are also horrendous ones. Seriously, read Peter Duffy's books!
oh shush. So you would have solved this and reduced the number of babies that died? Wow, that's helpful. NO murderer has it tattooed on their forehead... unfortunately.
How many deaths go unchallenged in our supposedly wonderful NHS? Exactly!!
Lots. Liverpool Care Plan is still going on. I don't trust anyone anymore. Its a cesspit.
There's some questions you need to direct to the government too, here.
@@lynncuthbert2307 It's a sadistic way to end a life. I understand perhaps, some nice meds to help someone along, send them out on a nice hazy whatever, if there's a lot of pain, no hope, or whatever, because it can be considered cruel to continue a life in certain conditions, and if the patient wants that decision made, it's up to them. LCP was supposedly abolished in 2014
This is another area Lucy Letby has destroyed - trust in decent medical professionals.
Yes! There are massive ‘cover ups’ in all the government services! The real true issue here is that all the WRONG ‘kind’ of people (evil) who do not have humanity’s best interests at heart, are the ones who are all placed in the controlling governments, authorities and justice systems positions. The wrong ones control the world, we have no chance as the ‘people’ of ever beating them. It is what it is…….. at least I have the Lord Jesus in my life and know he is the one true living God….Without the Lord there is no hope for humanity. Repent and believe and you will be saved…..this earthly life is short and temporal, a mere ‘vapour’ and then we are gone! With Jesus, life is ‘eternal’ in the spirit, and we MUST be ‘born again’ in the spirit to be saved and enter Heaven. Heaven is ‘only’ for those who ‘believe’ that Jesus died to save you from your sins, was buried and on the 3rd day in the grave he was resurrected and is alive for evermore … we must believe in the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ to become ‘born again’ and be with the lord for eternity in Heave after our physical death on earth….. non believers in Christ are not forgiven and will die in their sin….those who disbelieve, are wilfully rejecting the lord, and that is why they send their own souls to hell, we must each choose our eternal destination… Heaven is for those whom love and believe in Jesus from their hearts, the Lord knows the heart…. Hell is for those who disbelieve and reject the creator Jesus Christ, you choose, it’s your soul. Repent now and be born again, time is short, repent now while you still can.
The NHS is losing trust fast now. They are covering up so much. Let this play out. Its not over. Inquiries are ongoing. These families have gone through the worst nightmare and want answers. We're all watching now. Thank God for good Doctors.
IMO, the hospital and administrative staff responsible for “looking the other way” should be sued into oblivion😃. I wouldn’t step foot into their facility, I’m sure public trust in them has been irreparably damaged.
It is a privatised system not the NHS.
I think the doctors should have gone to the police independently of what management said. It is an obligation to go to the police if you suspect of a serious crime.
I would have left gone straight to the police.
I had health and saftey concerns years ago could not get problem solved safely so did incident report then left wrote letter to health and saftey executive then felt at peace left with saftey addressed as much as I could
Management were in illogical denial shoot the messenger mode so dangerous 😢
The four Consultants followed their correct procedure by escalating their "concerns" to Senior Hospital Management. No doubt Senior Hospital Management consulted their HR Dept (It is what HR are for after all). Nobody but nobody wanted it to be true ! In the absence of "Miss Scarlet, in the Library, with the Lead Piping" type evidence ......usual forensics like finger prints, DNA, CCTV etc of no help. LL availing herself of the NHS grievance procedures added pressure for the universal HR cure all of ...... "Mediation". It took experts in the field weeks, months and years to connect the dots. LL's obsession with being in Room 1, bizarre approach to grieving and broken parents and desperate need to be seen as Queen Bee by her colleagues were all red flags. On the other hand she appeared enthusiastic, keen to learn and very willing to work. LL was what the SAS refer to as the "Grey Man". She knew how to help premature babies and by the very same token how to seriously harm them. Her short one word answers and favourite "I disagree" and "I can't answer that" responses minimised the chances of tripping herself up under cross examination. The only time she cried was for herself on the impact on her own life/career and when "Dr A" arrived to give evidence. For the premature babies, for the broken parents and their families and for her NHS colleagues who desperately fight to help those fragile babies have a chance at life ....... nothing, nada, zippo, Sweet Felicity Argyle !
As a worker in the NHS I have been concerned how I have felt that people who are not nice seem to get more respect in NHS management and people who are nice responsible and logical get less respect by management I am happy that this problem is coming out now and is now being ,pre exposed seems like a regular habit in the NHS.
im glad i didn't go into that area of work now its getting worse
@@misslaurap Thanks 👍
@@davidcocks2403 its true i worked in a hospital as a care assistant in Birmingham years ago and it was fine and now its not so i am glad i don't work in that environment what u want of me? to lie
@@davidcocks2403 it aint my fault she and the system is fucked up
I really appreciate the in depth information you consistently provide!
Ive listened to the trial commentary after following this case from the start… listened to the experts and ppl working with her. I admit ive gone back and too but my gut tells me she did it and in the correct place right now.
I’m from the US and we’ve had nurses who kill as well. Here they find a reason to terminate the nurse and give a recommendation as well. They are then free to just continue on killing at another hospital. I’ve read about maybe three cases like that. Hospital management will do anything to avoid scandal. Sad but true.
@andreacarter8202 but is that incompetence/neglect related deaths? I know it doesn't sound much of a distinction, but it is. If this is a munchausens fuelled murder (I believe it is, though slapping a label on doesn't explain everything), then those people, though rare, tend to just carry on once they've embarked on it. I don't think it could be ignorance after a while, even moving jobs.
Correction, to avoid responsibility/lawsuits.
It is in their financial interest to do this which is obviously a conflict of interest. That's not to say anything of the nurses that kill though.
It seems people who are exposed to death often start to feel quite indifferent about it, and look at it as more of a tool if one were so inclined, and had a psychological disorder of some kind.
Doctors, nurses, army, police, war veterans, maybe even gangs in cities
Not just nurses but MD's too. My sister was a nurse in a well baby nursery. And she tried to report an MD that smelled like alcohol when she did an LP on a baby with him. She got run off the unit. Doctors always cover each other's butt
Thank you for sharing - a great insight into how these babies, the parents, and also staff that raised safe-guarding concerns were failed by the people who were supposed to help.
There should be CCTV cameras in every medication room and all areas of the hospital. Medications should be kept in pharmacy and delivered to the ward in pre-packaged containers with the patient's name on it -- so no nurse can just go and draw up insulin.
Agree
One thing I didn't know until reading some news coverage about the verdict. If the accused decides to give evidence, then once they have entered the witness box and started giving testimony, they are not allowed to take advice from their lawyer until they are through. If that's correct, remember how long she was giving evidence for - 3 weeks ? In most cases it's less than a day. It must have been like watching a runaway train for her lawyer.
Well that speaks to her narc tendencies, because yes her lawyer would not be able to speak with her once she made that decision.
Adds to her absolute idea she is cleverer better and more important than everyone else... thought she would fool everybody. Only the prosecution was more intelligent and onto her ! As if he could almost predict her answers/lies... well let's look at the evidence ...he had a document ready every single time...to which she agreed...
This is one of the best videos you have released on this case yet Jon . Its cemented in my mind that she is in fact guilty , even more than i already thought she was .
I agree
These doctors deserve a loud apology, one that sounds a whole lot like firing the idiot Managers permanently.
The fact that Lucy fought so hatefully against these doctors, instead of humbly wanting to help find what was wrong with the babies, she sought revenge.
That says everything about her.
Shut up Ian.
You can't defend yourself with words.
They really don't . Though they've made an impressive start on the pass the blame game, I'll give them that.
The narcissism of someone who gets people who she knows are on to her to apologize to her and make them look like harassing bullies is just beyond the pale.
They should be held liable, they should be put on trial
@@andyross1429 You obviously have trouble understanding the full depth of the findings, or you just didn't bother reading it all. Very sexist of you to think that the little blonde woman wouldn't be capable of being an evil monster. The evidence, both medical and circumstantial against her, is staggering. But yes, you know better than professional detectives, prosecutors and doctors. Letby was in charge of the care of the babies she harmed, and the doctors are called upon when something happens. What she did to them was so catastrophic though, that by the time doctors reached the unit it was too late to save them. And the green note LOL are you basing your belief in her innocence on her inner thoughts? you a psychiatrist now huh?? She had over 200 files and handover sheets belonging to her victims in her bedroom. Trophies if you will. And dont say she brought them home for work, she knew full well that you are not allowed to do that. I have noticed that the majority of people who stand up for her are sad little men. Go be her penpal; she wont have much else to do with her time from now on.
SHE'LL NEVER AGAIN SIT BROWSING A RESTAURANTS MENU !!!!
LIFE IMPRISONMENT IS TOO GOOD FOR HER....
"A year's worth of deaths in 14 days" and then there were more. Something was seriously wrong just from the stats. It shouldn't have taken so many attempts to whistleblow and get the message through to management. What is the point in a whistleblowing policy if the whistleblowers are not taken seriously? And the consultants were the ones with many years and experience in paediatric medicine as opposed to the paper-pushing management. Completely wrong.
@@CraigLearnsKorean she was also found guilty of 6 attempted murders and they had other charges. The jury needed to have no reasonable doubt. Found guilty of 14 charges is still extremely high.
@@CraigLearnsKorean well it certainly wasn't the plumber...
@@TimewillTell1481 ha!
1 baby has passed away on the neo natal unit she worked on, since she was taken off duty. They NEED to take responsibility! Anyone who cares more about upsetting seniors than a babies life needs to be done for negligence. Sod thier jobs! They are spineless and the seniors need to be removed too for making them feel they couldnt whisleblow on a baby serial killer.
one baby in 7 years , there will always be some babies that die despite the hospital's best efforst not all deaths are down to negligence or criminal acts.
Yes their time is coming.
Is this true?
Yes theres only been one death since she left and it wasn’t an unexpected death… thats what i read, that was the suspicious thing the doctors said they normally suspect which babies may collapse or unfortunately die, all of these were unexplained or unexpected
@@joannegregory3024There should be autopsies done on the doctors and other nurses. That's the only way we'll ever know the truth.
You know in the trial, she did virtually sort of confess - when she acknowledged the insulin must have been purposeful. Because it effectively locked her out of claiming that either they were natural deaths, or due to some vaguely defined medical neglect. I remember thinking that's significant when she was in the dock. I still wonder if it didn't lead to some hasty, emergency, reframing of her legal team's defence. Leading to plumber-gate and the early bath for the defence.
My understanding of it is both defence and prosecution have to disclose who their expert witnesses are before the trial & can't add more during.
What a pity the doctors didn't go to the police when they got nowhere with the management. Instead the management were treated as if they were the ultimate authority.
Exactly, Keith.
Apparently the best way to report a murder is by emailing the murderers boss about it, then giving up and going about your day when nothing happens. Ravi is an absolute disgrace and just as culpable in my opinion. He's trying to get ahead of it publicly. In murder cases, if you know about a murder, and don't report it to police, that person is typically charged as an accessory.
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@AM-bI2cs I saw a murder only the other day, but it's OK because I told my granny, so no one needs to worry about it now
In fact, the same murderer has been back a few times and killed a few more neighbours. I'll keep telling my granny, although she doesn't seem to have done much yet.
The moment people told their suspicions to the bosses they should've suspended her and investigated her they could've saved lots of babies lives. Disgusting!
Don't forget she shoved a sharp instrument down one if not two babies throats and the one mother heard her baby screaming "like no infant should scream"...horrific! 🇨🇦
She needs it doing to her.
Evidence of striking hitting etc also. Utter demonic freak filled with spite and jealousy of innocent others
@@andyross1429ok then we'res the evidence to say it didn't happen goes both ways you freak you didn't sit in that courtroom day in day out so shut up go away
Yes, cause a traumatised parent is a reliable witness.
@@jenjones90Could she still be innoccent? We do not know!!!
Medical staff should wear bodycams as police do!! For everyone's protection...
Just an FYI: at 4:46 you are talking about the insulin cases - the ones we all agree are the most compelling - but you gave the facts wrong. Insulin is never given into the stomach. It was injected into IV nutrition bags that are given into a vein. It’s called TPN. Insulin cannot be ingested by a feeding tube, as you stated.
I realize you are not aware of all the medical in’s and outs, and neither am I. I’m not a NICU nurse, and I have a huge respect for those who are brave enough to walk the tightrope of caring for premature babies. And I mean that in all seriousness. The tiny doses of medication vs. even full term babies, children, or adults, is WILD. It’s also why I think LL may not actually be truly guilty. I’m not saying she did, or didn’t. But, you were there, you heard the evidence, and you still don’t know the mechanics of how she killed. I think in these rare cases, she should’ve been judged by her literal peers - NICU nurses. You got one part wrong…did any of the jurors get it wrong? I don’t know….
But I very much appreciate the coverage, as it’s a terrible case. No matter what happened, the parents who suffered losses are victims either of a murderer or just life. But they suffered, and they lost, and my heart breaks for them. I have been posting about this case across UA-cam, critically, but only because I don’t feel like all the right questions were asked of answered. I understand she’s been found guilty, and I accept that. The reality is that sometimes juries get it wrong. I’m not convinced they did or didn’t in this case. It’s just my personal opinion, so it obviously means nothing, in reality. However, I thank you for the content and your input.
She wouldn't be going to prison for life for negligence. There's a massive difference between that and murder. They shouldn't be conflated.
Are you saying it is not given to babies or general population in the stomachs? What do you mean? I get insulin every day, three times a day and it is always in the lower belly. Do you mean it was introduced orally?
@@TheCuriousGoat I don’t disagree with negligence. I think the fact that she had patient’s sheets with personal medical information is a fireable offense, and other actions or inaction would possibly warrant her losing her license. But these are not criminal offenses worthy of a life sentence.
@@moorek1967 correct. It’s not given through a feeding tube into the stomach. Insulin is given subcutaneously, like you do in the abdominal tissue, or IV, like the babies in the NICU they are speaking of. One tube goes into the stomach (oro or naso gastric) where digestion happens, and another goes into the bloodstream (IV), It’s just a different pathway.
I should add that he said the insulin was introduced into the tube that enters the stomach. That’s the incorrect information I was pointing out. And it’s also why I think she should’ve been judged by a jury of peers - other nurses, or better, NICU nurses.
I work in the NHS and I am sure I sensed that in the NHS people in the management allow a culture of the people who are not nice get more respect in treatment than people who logical,composed good manners are treated more harshly than people who are not nice.
Times I have seen people who are not nice get more respect than people who are nice o have been concerned for along time about this inside the NHS/
Thankyou for pointing out that the insulin was in the feeding bag for the stomach. This will have no effect on blood sugar level. Insulin has to be in the blood stream to cause a drop in blood sugar level.
Very good interview. You are a fine journalist, Josh.
One thing that shocks me in comments on this case actually is how many people are OK with the notion that if you genuinely believe there is a strong possibility that someone is serially murdering children, but your boss disagrees, then it's perfectly natural that you wouldn't tell the police either. That's not OK. It gives you an insight into why people don't call police when they hear a child being battered or a woman abused next door. Oh, it's not my job to do that, not my business. It's everyone's business. And your boss at work does not own your soul.
It's difficult to whistleblow when the proof is difficult to establish so far, and managers are being obstructive in some way, even through minimisation. They finally whistleblew/called police due to the extraordinarily long time and weak response they had from the people above them, who then created a hostile working environment for them, it appears.
They didn't have to whistleblow, they just needed to follow their legal obligations as doctors. Reporting a SUPECTED crime to the police does not require you to present a legal, watertight case - it's the police role to investigate possible criminal behaviour, not yours. And in the end, I would value my peace of mind that more babies weren't going to die, un-investigated. And they were doctors not zero hours workers - they had a financial cushion. What's more important - your villa holiday in France or not reporting murders.
You know the limits on any action the Trust or managers could do is suspend Lucy and call the police ? It's only the police who can investigate a possible crime. Not Tony bloody Chambers. He's not in charge of the world.
@@juliew1824 I agree but they went to management in the first instance, as they are supposed to, and it snowballed from there. It wasn't a good working environment and they weren't sure at first if it was deliberate or what. They could see there was something that was wrong, but what?
Oh no, they absolutely should have done the more sure they became at the latest! However, they were waiting on their managers to deal with it, respond, in the first place. Chain of command. That was already too slow and things went from there.
Management were disgusting there is nothing more important than the safety of patients particularly the most vulnerable neo nate babies Management should have also been charged paediatric consultants wanted her out of the unit yet their concerns were completely overlooked for the sake of the hospital's reputation babies are a gift these families are the ones given a life sentence they now have to live with this trauma forever I hope these little ones RIP always 💙
Anyone else find it odd that at the age of 33 she was still single and there's no mention of there ever having been a man (for example) in her life?
She was in her 20’s when she was arrested.
@@Felicity2121 Late 20s and single with no mention of any man ever having been in her life.
@@wattage2007 only the elusive Dr A.
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So you’re saying if she had a proper rogering she wouldn’t have turned into a homicidal baby killer? Young people these days are strange and detached. Half of them have no desire to drive a vehicle or have a lover.
Please watch Norman Fenton interviews Dr Scott McLachan on concerns about the evidence in the Lucy Letby case
Absolutely disgusting that she had the choice to not attend her sentencing and listening to the parents of these poor babies. They should play it to her over and over again in her cell!! 😠
She is a coward, she should've faced the families whose lives were torn apart by her hand. In fact the senior NHS managers should have been there to witness what could have been prevented
I saw in the BBC's news site that the government has stopped this now, future criminals will no longer have the right not to attend victim impact and sentencing at the end of a trial. There's been a strong public backlash because of Lucy letby doing this, I mean I wouldn't put it past some minister or MP pushing it through to gain brownie points but at least it seems that future criminals will have no place to hide and must listen to the judge summing up.
If she did have this obsessive compulsion of collecting paper I would be curious to know if she also had paper from school, high school college etc. or was it just from the hospital she worked.
PART 9
This is what the Letby case boils down to....
If you believe Lucy's version of events instead of the consultants it puts them in the frame for malpractice.
My hope is that this case, a house of straw, won’t withstand the weather of rational thinking and reason.
Determination
I hope by exposing the dishonesty regarding my care, it might help free Lucy Letby one day.
I'm deeply upset by this case, and I'm 90% sure she's innocent a hundred percent short the trial was not carried out fairly. Lucy was almost certainly a very good nurse, very efficient, frequently called upon when there was a crisis, and was doing the best job she could in a chaotic understaffed workplace.
We marched on the streets for Nelson Mandela.
People demonstrated all over the world for Nelson, I've never heard anyone say these people were lunatics, or fanatics. Instead it's viewed as a proud moment in our history where we stood up for Justice. Nelson was locked up, but he knew he was regarded by millions as a hero. It's highly likely Lucy has been wrongly imprisoned as a baby killer and this is far worse in many ways.
If we don't stick up for what we believe, then what are we?
This court case affects not just a young nurse but also you and me, as it threatens our WHOLE justice system.
I'm willing to march on the streets for this if need be !
The power of the industry in framing innocent victims and making sure they can't appeal.
She got away with it because of the inefficiency of the system.
I disagree. She got away with it because she is a coddled, blonde, blue eyed little princess whose mom and dad stood between her and accountability. If it was a nurse of color, she would have been promptly suspended and an investigation launched immediately.
PART 8
Since the beginning of the Nurse Lucy Letby case, thousands of psychologists both professional and amateur have put forward theories about what she supposedly did and why, based on the assumption of guilt, even before the trial, using confirmation bias to interpret all behaviours as ‘evidence’.
Hopefully one day Lucy will sue such people for defamation of character. Spurious claims based on Hearsay and guesswork , flaky hypotheses, shallow understanding of complex subjects were made before, during and after the case. I've been horrified by the predatory behaviour. If Lucy was guilty, which I certainly don't believe she is, she would be mentally ill and need care, mental health support etc. If a nurse really had killed the very people they were looking after they would be mentally unwell.
Displays of an evil bloodlust is demonstrated by the Media, psychologists, defence lawyers, general public and senior consultants who, more than likely, lied, fudged timelines to avoid responsibility for inadequate care putting her behind bars. It reveals the dark side of Human Nature and anyone who participates should be ashamed. She's a young woman who was most likely a good nurse, a daughter, a good friend and is almost certainly innocent. We need to protect our justice system and the people it serves by seeing through the smog.
Practitioners claiming to represent mental health therapies, are busy painting all manner of false pictures of another human, constructed from newspaper headlines, guesswork and confirmation bias.
The more people invest into Lucy's guilt the less likely she is to get a fair retrial which is why I am criticising this.
There is a long list of caregivers who have been locked up for years then released because of a miscarriage of Justice with similar hallmarks to this case. I do not say these things for any other reason than concern for justice and reason. I have been shocked by this case and cannot believe our system would lock this young woman up and throw away the key on such flimsy evidence, if you can even call it evidence.
If you stop believing the consultants version of events and believe Lucy instead the picture changes revealing a young woman being used as a scape-goat.
People do not like to believe that consultants lie and fudge timelines to avoid responsibility. I would go as far as to say it's common practice.
Here are some of the recent cases of caregivers accused of murdering babies or patients.
All of which have been either released from prison or have cases under review because of compelling new evidence
Lucia de Berk... overturned
Kathleen Folbigg....overturned
Sally Clark....overturned
Angela Cannings....overturned
Daniela Poggiali....overturned
Susan Nelles.....overturned
Jane F. Bolding... overturned
Collin Norris......in appeal prprocess
Ben Geen...appeal. new evidence
Every year another convicted murderer is acquitted because of new evidence. Surely we would be naive to believe that this could not be happening right now. What makes people so convinced that this is not yet another innocent caregiver we will eventually add to the list, when it bears so many similarities to other acquittals.
Lucy did not know that there were other reasons for elevations of insulin without high c-peptide and neither, it appears, did her barrister, which is why she thought, like everybody else, that there was a baby murderer on the ward. There have been many cases recently Incredibly similar to this one where people thought the same. Women have been locked away,occasionally men, for many years before their convictions were overturned, charged with administering ‘insulin' and causing ‘air embolism’, misuse of statistics There's a long list.
The nurse Lucia de Burke.Is a good place to start. The case was marked by tunnel vision, multiple misunderstandings of both scientific evidence, statistics and diary entries.
She was locked up for 6 years until found innocent of killing babies. Her conviction was controversial in the media and among scientists, and it was questioned until the public interest grew and more evidence overturned the original judgement. If nobody had taken an interest she would still be behind bars. Initially when she appealed, as I predict will happen with Lucy, more convictions were stuck on her. When are we going to stop locking women up on flawed statistical and scientific evidence
Thousands of people stand to benefit from this case, especially with the guilty verdict. Lawyers, barristers, judges, TV presenters, hospital consultants, the Press, also the families, (though of course they didn't wish any of this to happen) all stand to either make money, gain kudos or further their careers. The Statistics Society and Sarrita Adams, both tried to get information to the court to warn them that the evidence was unsafe, driven by a desire to prevent their specialisms being used to cause a miscarriage of Justice, but they were either shut down, threatened or ignored.
The consultants involved in Lucy's case were being accused of malpractice by the chief executive which was when they claimed that Lucy ran around with a syringe, poisoning and sabotaging equipment. This was “very convenient”, as the chief executive told them, when accusing them of “bullying” and “covering up”. Apart from the lack of robust scientific evidence and biassed interpretation of personal diaries, statistics and post-its, the case relies on the presumption that consultants are honest. Rather than put Lucy in the dock, somebody should be either taking the consultants or the hospital to court for damaging these babies for the poor care they received, or diagnosing health risks in the wards like sewage and understaffing, causing babies to die of infection or lack of care, both of which Lucy raised concerns about
When I got wind of the Lucy Letby case I was immediately suspicious and suspected the consultants were trying to cover-up and use her as a scapegoat. The more I read about the case the more this made perfect sense, and I would say is obvious when you look into the detail.
All you need to do is believe Lucy's notes and accounts and timeline of events rather than the consultants to see the real picture. The consultants had everything to loose. They were due to go up against a tribunal for malpractice, then they said it was all Lucy's fault and that she'd run around the wards sabotaging the equipment whilst people nipped out of the room. This does not sound very likely to me. Just because things are presented as evidence it doesn't mean it is. the post-it notes were proof of bullying, and demonstrated the effect it was having on her mental health, not guilt.
If someone in their 20's was told, as Lucy was, they had caused babies to die through negligence, then it was suggested they had murdered, especially if this came from those above in rank, a large percentage of the population would start to believe it. I'm amazed that these erratic non coherent notes were ever allowed to be described as 'evidence', or a ‘confession’.
My Case
I want to raise public awareness of a worrying situation I found myself in.
I received permanent damage after a small low risk operation. Then as a consequence needed 4 extra operations, hundreds of clinical appointments and have suffered life long deformity, permanent health issues, and I'm lucky to come away with my life due to failings in my care, all of which were avoidable and cost the National Health £100,000's.
The GMC would not investigate my case initially because they believed the consultants incorrect notes and statements even though I warned them they were incorrect. I had to provide irrefutable proof to get them to even consider reopening the case over 6 months later. The default is ALWAYS to believe consultants over lower ranking staff and patients .
When I tried to raise issues with my hospital to improve the service, an audit meeting was held to address my concerns. I was shocked to discover, when I asked for the audit transcript, that the consultant, who's practice I was raising concerns about, had chaired the meeting. The concerns were clearly about his practice. He used his position to claim I was complaining because I was neurotic.
From the audit notes ...He said, I was a, "anxious" "demanding" 'serial complainer', and clinicians should have been "warned about' my "psychological problems". There is absolutely no evidence to support any of these claims. It Was almost amusing as I'm the opposite and always respond to adversity with pragmatism. Other false claims were made and several timelines re-arranged to avoid responsibility for serious failings and to by calling me a 'serial complainer with psychological problems’, naturally other staff would be wary of me in case I complained about them.
When I saw what had been said about me I was shocked. I'd been gaslighted behind closed doors to undermine my concerns and avoid responsibility. I discovered this because the change of staff's attitude after the meeting made me suspicious so I asked for the audit meeting notes. This case is still ongoing two years later.
I am now more determined than ever to pursue my own hospital concerns to expose the truth about senior clinical staff and their frequent dishonesty. The NHS complaints process PHSO + GMC is overwhelmed and not fit for purpose,leaving consultants' mistakes to go unpoliced with no comeback for those delivering inadequate care.
Hospitals often keep silent about why they terminate someone because they fear lawsuits. Perhaps these hospital should not reply to a request for a recommendation. Instead, their lawyer should respond with a letter saying, "On my recommendation the hospital is not responding to any request for information about this former staff member."
1.Shabby management.
2.Hospitals run by people with third class degrees in basket weaving, and absolutely no understanding of medicine.
3.Target driven.
4. People willing to cover events up to maintain the reputation of the hospital, and themselves.
5. Freemasonry.
6. appalling treatment of whistleblowers, despite whistle blowing policies being in place.
I could go on.
Freemasons?
Is it possible that the sentencing & the testimonies from the parents was transmitted into her cell so that she was forced to hear it? Talking about Lucy's bedroom makes me feel strange because I collected fluffy toys from places I travelled, dog, lamb, Queens Jubilee teddy & I'm 67 & it's makes me feel strange.
ive got teddies too and i don't care but i don't want to harm babies or anyone! i love my teddies and im 46 i do me i do what makes me happy , people can be judged on silly stuff like that
My Grandma is 89 and her entire bed has stuffed toys all over it.
British be like "we gave her a whole life term..that is so rare" and I'm like she killed 7 babies! She needed the Old Bailey treatment
Why did the doctor's not take matters into Thier own hands and together set up secret hidden cameras and catch her in the act if they was so sure, because if that was me breaking the law by setting hidden cameras up wouldn't matter, what would matter is finding out if our suspicions were right, I would not be able to sleep at night if I was pretty sure I knew what was happening and who it was, just no way would I be able to sleep
If only it were that simple. ,management would not allow it
If I was one of those doctors, i'd have - oh I dunno - reported my concerns fully to the Coroner, requested a Coroners post mortem (different than a hospital post mortem), and recommended to the Coroner that the deaths be investigated. That's actually what their rules say they should do! And even if they didn't have the bottle to call the police themselves, the Coroner would.
@@janlittle2148 I'm not talking about going to management, they didn't believe the doctor's, I'm talking about taking matters into Thier own hands the both of them not telling anyone else and setting secret hidden cameras to catch the suspect in the act, but I suppose the what ifs and the shouldas and all the couldas don't make a difference now but if it happened ever again and there is more than one with that kind of suspicion they should do that with multiple secret tiny hidden cameras that would sort things out straight away and the killer would not be able to deny anything either
@@juliew1824 when something as serious as that is happening and you and another seriously believe a work colleague is killing babies, and the management don't believe any of you or simply won't listen to your concerns then I'm afraid it would be a case of screw the rules and screw the law something drastic has to be done
And the reason Beverly allit never got loads of people saying she was innocent, or I don't believe she could have killed those babies is because she wasn't pretty, it's funny how if someone doesn't look like they could have commited a herrendous awful crime people say no way she could have done that, but someone like Beverly who also was a baby nurse murderer but didn't look very pretty at all in fact the opposite nobody shouted her innocence or wanted to defend her on social media but with Lucy so many want to defend her because she does not look like she could have done what she is in prison for
If I were a parent to one of those kids I’d be sending money to inmates locked up with her. Pay them to give her hell
Premature birth complications
From sources across the web:
Bronchopulmonary dysplasia
Necrotizing enterocolitis
Patent ductus arteriosus
Retinopathy of prematurity
Infection
Digestive problems
Growth failure
Intraventricular hemorrhage
Respiratory distress syndrome
Apnea and bradycardia
Blood problems
Cardiac dysfunction
Developmental and/or cognitive delays
Metabolism problems
Intracranial ischemic and hemorrhagic injuries,
Sepsis
Sudden death baby syndrome
I feel so sad for those wonderful doctors. Not enough respect is shown to doctors. Doctors who have studied for years and who are highly intelligent. As people are jealous of doctors and try and level them. Appalling how doctors are treated today.
I understand what you mean in this case, the doctors should have been listened to, but we should never generally trust anyone just because of their profession. We should always be open minded. Look at Dr Shipman for instance.
He is still incensed at not dead babies but rather his argument with management
That say a lot about this case
The murdering has been addressed. What hsn't been formally addressed is the hostile work environment created, it appears, by managers, and why things were dealt with in the way they were. The doctors have regrets, but they are supposed to be able to trust their managers to progress things in a timely and correct fashion. Not this approach. Way too slow, and then inadequate, etc.
I guess he's looking at the wider issue that allowed this tragedy to unfold in the first place .
It just shouldn't have ever been allowed to happened. It's so distressing. I can't get my head around why they didn't go to the police independently or as a group sooner . I get they may have felt they needed to save their own skins but to me that pales into insignificance, when you are dealing with such evil crimes against the most vulnerable of babies .
I also can't get my head around why potentially dangerous drugs such as the insulin , did not need to be signed out of that cabinet by the person administrating them .
So there now giving two years on top of there sentence if they don’t appear in court. This is not going to affect someone like Lucy Letby who’s facing a life time sentence. It’s not going to affect anyone who’s facing life there not going to be bothered by two years it’s a joke. They should be shackled and gagged in court to face justice.
Yeah, it is political grandstanding announcing that policy. Makes no difference to someone like Lucy.
Why in the world ( especially now a days) using the some technology to use where she was hiding, so Lucy is made to listen to the victim’s families and the judge’s sentencing. I can’t believe the law like that exist in the U.K. (I am Japanese live in the U.K) She was allowed to be cowered!!.
She is going to given all the paper? That not the same as facing everybody in the court room. Poor babies…
Psych tests EVERY YEAR OR PREFERABLY TWICE A YEAR for ANYONE in charge of helpless minors WHEN? (.............crickets)
What about cameras in neonatal wards? I assumed this was a given
She seems to have so many different looks
It was simply impossible to believe. So no one believed it. I didn’t. The evidence is compelling however.
Doesn't Prince Andrew have 75 teddy bears on his bed? What does that make him?
Don't think anyone is questioning if he's a pedo or not!
A nonce.
I'd rather not visualise that.
@@juliew1824or me 😂
Andy has 78 teddy's --- his life is no picnic either
Why couldn't Lucy Letby be forced to be present via video link? In cases where the accused is unable to leave prison this is routinely done
Great video Jon thank you❤
Sounds as if some egos got in the way of some of the management. I have seen that happen in people who will not admit to their failures. Ironically, Lucy will not admit her “failures” either!
Surely Lucy Letby's defense team could have used the managers that concluded she had done nothing wrong and should be allowed back on the unit as part of their defense witnesses (not sure if that is the correct term) rather than just a plumber?
Why didn't they refuse to apologise .no matter what the outcome. If they had any back bone they would have stood up there and then
I see she had her teeth capped.
What lol
I’ve been a nurse for 41 yrs and if l had the suspicions these consultants had and the managers did nothing l would go straight to the police
The consultants were threatened with losing their jobs, as part of the cover up.
Inquiry + Fan + Sh&t = a bit of a mess. And there'll be more landing sticky side down than people imagine, I'd wager.
Why. Did she choose those babies out of all the babies she was taking care of? In 2 years she had to be assigned more than 13
Because you're not going to try and kill every baby you come into contact with.
Also, break it down to this.
13 over 2 years averages out to 1 every 2 months....thats a lot.
If she does have Fictitious disorder imposed on another (Munchausen syndrome by proxy), then she probably was harming other children, just not killing them.
That can range from pinching, dropping, briefly smothering them, dry jabbing them with a syringe in the foot or hand, etc.
Very rarely does it go from 0 - 100 straight away
Since the beginning of the Nurse Lucy Letby case, thousands of psychologists both professional and amateur have put forward theories about what she supposedly did and why, based on the assumption of guilt, even before the trial, using confirmation bias to interpret all behaviours as ‘evidence’.
Hopefully one day Lucy will sue such people for defamation of character. Spurious claims based on Hearsay and guesswork , flaky hypotheses, shallow understanding of complex subjects were made before, during and after the case. I've been horrified by the predatory behaviour. If Lucy was guilty, which I certainly don't believe she is, she would be mentally ill and need care, mental health support etc. If a nurse really had killed the very people they were looking after they would be mentally unwell.
Interesting that an unborn baby at 15 weeks and older can be viewed as just a foetus to abort yet premi babies can be born and survive as early as 20 weeks and are viewed as precious lives doctors fight to save.
I agree. My friend who's 45 now was born prematurely just over 24 weeks at 1lb 1 oz. She is still tiny and has a hip issue but apart from that was always fit healthy and strong! These babies have a will to live and survive. My own daughter 25 was 11 days overdue, severely distressed and almost died. She spent 6 weeks in NICU intubated and fed. Turns out at 3 years old age was diagnosed with Prader-willi syndrome, that's why she had such difficulties. They were at opposite ends of the spectrum on birth dates, both cared for and nursed to health, 20 years apart.
Who even gets to decide that 15 weeks and over is an acceptable abortion age?
@danswhite8544Who said I was anti abortion? Jesus.
The op said "it's interesting" and I agreed to that. It is very interesting and how those that decide go about it and that's what I was asking! I asked a genuine question.
I made a comparison of my own thoughts about it. That does not say anything about my views. I have nothing against abortion, not at all. Its necessary that women have a choice.
I was asking who actually decides, it was a question 🙄 not an indication that I don't think it's right.
So if she searched for everybody she met on FB then searching for the parents of the murdered baby's was not evidence of anything to do with the Lucy letby trial that's fact, I never knew she was like that and searching on FB for every person stranger she ever met so to me now that is NOT evidence of anything to do with the case whatsoever
@danswhite8544 maybe but we don't know for sure if there was anything sinister or if it was harmless inquisitiveness that led her to check everyone on FB, but after learning that she searched absolutely everyone I'm now not convinced 💯 % that the searches of the parents was relevent to the case that's all, I'm not stating she's innocent as there's a lot more circumstantial evidence that goes against her it is only circumstantial but there's a lot of it and that's why the jury decided she was guilty, I think her own handwriting and some of the parents evidence is what sealed the case shut for her as I bet a mother never forgets every moment when her baby is in a hospital and they see things that make them suspicious but who would of thought the babies were in any danger from a nurse the mother's would of thought they were over reacting if they even did have any suspicion or something didnt seem right I feel for those parents as they will be constantly looking back thinking if onlys 💔
Do you watch David Kurten?
Those poor parents and tortured babies. I can’t imagine how much physical pain they must’ve been in😰 Also, are the teddy bears odd? Or are they perfectly normal for a deranged infant serial killer? I’d love to know of other oddities she may have had and how they could’ve been signs that something was very off all along. So curious to know how she managed her anger, hate and sadism around family and friends…
What turns a seemingly lovely girl with caring parents into a serial killer? I just don t understand human nature. She got sick of caring for other people?
I wonder how many nurses/doctors have just tried this once and then stopped so there was no pattern to notice anything untoward.
The majority aren't morally and ethically insane in this anti-life manner. People are trying to save people.
@@LadyDiamondIsHereNow of course.
Her true home life, and upbringing, maybe the key to this?
PART 2
Practitioners claiming to represent mental health therapies, are busy painting all manner of false pictures of another human, constructed from newspaper headlines, guesswork and confirmation bias.
The more people invest into Lucy's guilt the less likely she is to get a fair retrial which is why I am criticising this.
There is a long list of caregivers who have been locked up for years then released because of a miscarriage of Justice with similar hallmarks to this case. I do not say these things for any other reason than concern for justice and reason. I have been shocked by this case and cannot believe our system would lock this young woman up and throw away the key on such flimsy evidence, if you can even call it evidence.
If you stop believing the consultants version of events and believe Lucy instead the picture changes revealing a young woman being used as a scape-goat.
People do not like to believe that consultants lie and fudge timelines to avoid responsibility. I would go as far as to say it's common practice.
Here are some of the recent cases of caregivers accused of murdering babies or patients.
All of which have been either released from prison or have cases under review because of compelling new evidence
Lucia de Berk... overturned
Kathleen Folbigg....overturned
Sally Clark....overturned
Angela Cannings....overturned
Daniela Poggiali....overturned
Susan Nelles.....overturned
Jane F. Bolding... overturned
Collin Norris......in appeal prprocess
Ben Geen...appeal. new evidence
Initially 12 detectives to now 60-70 detectives working on the case from their own building, wow. That's one hell of a gravy train! The skeptic in me is of course going suspect them of building a case around her rather than objectively looking at full range of evidence. They tried to drag this on for as long as possible in my opinion.
That's just the film crew.!😂
Perhaps you should watch the documentary on the police investigation
@@janlittle2148If you're referring to this podcast, I did. Hence I was referencing the number of detectives hired as mentioned at 24:08
So how long should a case like this be wrapped up by? a week? a month? a year? OF COURSE they objectively looked at the full range of evidence, what do you think they spent the last few years doing, playing cards? they had to get it right, didnt they? you cant take a pile of bullshit to trial, they were gathering evidence, interviewing witnesses, following protocols.
Why were there no autopsies done on any of the doctors or other nurses?
A Retrial Must Happen!
Only on the undecided cases.
@@melgrant7404this!
💯 percent as people are now questioning this verdict all down to circumstancual evidence. She needs a better defence team
I was outraged with her no show. I want her to be out into the main part of the prison and let nature takes it course.
There should be a publicly accessible camera in her cell so that everyone can watch her.
@@albin2232Why would you wanna watch her?
@@stoicsavage509 She's hot and maybe Albin is a voyeur.
Stop it, Albin. 💩stirring😂
@stoicsavage509 For the welfare of all the babies imprisoned there.
The person in the photographs would not in a million years do this. I would be VERY interested if she has schizophrenia. Its seems that she really BELIEVES that she didnt do it. I am not saying she didnt.. her body CLEARLY did. The monster in her has not been diagnosed. It will prove to be a fascinating case. This is not finished. I think her mother lost a child, and being close to her mother, she wants to SEE what that does to a mother. Strange psychopathy, but something is wrong with this.
How in the world can you know what a person is capable of by how they look. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.
That's not how schizophrenia works. It's a fragmentation, characterised by delusions, hearing things, altered thought patterns. And usually obvious to people around them. It's not a split personality.
Some of those images of her on night out with twisted expressions - some evil demon lurking there inside.
@@lozah9036she might be possessed
Maybe a kind of dissociation/ split personality or compartmentalization thing? It's hard to believe anyone could do such things, yes, obviously something is terribly wrong with her which is very sad. So very sad for her parents and for her. How horrid to be capable of and live with having harmed/ taken the lives of the sweet babies.
Part 4
Thousands of people stand to benefit from this case, especially with the guilty verdict. Lawyers, barristers, judges, TV presenters, hospital consultants, the Press, also the families, (though of course they didn't wish any of this to happen) all stand to either make money, gain kudos or further their careers. The Statistics Society and Sarrita Adams, both tried to get information to the court to warn them that the evidence was unsafe, driven by a desire to prevent their specialisms being used to cause a miscarriage of Justice, but they were either shut down, threatened or ignored.
The consultants involved in Lucy's case were being accused of malpractice by the chief executive which was when they claimed that Lucy ran around with a syringe, poisoning and sabotaging equipment. This was “very convenient”, as the chief executive told them, when accusing them of “bullying” and “covering up”. Apart from the lack of robust scientific evidence and biassed interpretation of personal diaries, statistics and post-its, the case relies on the presumption that consultants are honest. Rather than put Lucy in the dock, somebody should be either taking the consultants or the hospital to court for damaging these babies for the poor care they received, or diagnosing health risks in the wards like sewage and understaffing, causing babies to die of infection or lack of care, both of which Lucy raised concerns about
When I got wind of the Lucy Letby case I was immediately suspicious and suspected the consultants were trying to cover-up and use her as a scapegoat. The more I read about the case the more this made perfect sense, and I would say is obvious when you look into the detail.
All you need to do is believe Lucy's notes and accounts and timeline of events rather than the consultants to see the real picture. The consultants had everything to loose. They were due to go up against a tribunal for malpractice, then they said it was all Lucy's fault and that she'd run around the wards sabotaging the equipment whilst people nipped out of the room. This does not sound very likely to me. Just because things are presented as evidence it doesn't mean it is. the post-it notes were proof of bullying, and demonstrated the effect it was having on her mental health, not guilt.
Insulin needs to be classes under a controlled drug, these need 2 qualified nurses to access , to document the amount used and documented the amount in the cupboard at the beginning and end of every shift and 2 nurses when it’s administered one to administer and one to witness,
I watched a video by David kurten and he said there were 17 deaths not 7 and she was not present at 9 of them. Is this true????
No. There were 13 deaths (8 in 2015; 5 in 2016). She was present at at least 8. Not sure about the other 5.
(For comparison: 2 in 2013; 3 in 2014.)
I have a terrible feeling that a mistake was committed in this case, something doesn't sound righ,t another nurse in Holland also called "Lucy" was also accused of multiple baby murders, later turned out to be WRONG.
Totally different. Look it up
@@janlittle2148 not totally different, there are in fact many similarities with Lucia de Berk, I am Dutch, and why I am worried about Lucy Letby. From the start when I heard about it when Lucy was convicted.
Do not know how many more evidence pieces you need to believe it. On few occasions, as everyone has agreed, someone intentionally injected stuff into the bodies of those babies. She was always present when stuff was happening. Also, the nicu docs are incredibly competent and few of them were alerted(i have experience with working with those docs, they are sharp!) . Don’t you think that even the arrest situation was obvious- no innocent person would be so done when arrested. Also, she wrote “I killed them” on her note, what on Earth are you not getting?
these are all different cases. @danswhite8544
There is no direct proof Lucy did all that @@Runninggeezer
Why are the managers not being charged?
I can't believe no one had to sign for insulin. Is this correct? Can't
These admin people still have thier jobs, which is most disappointing. Where was the data sifting for trends?
NHS ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF APPOINTED THEMSELVES JUDGE & JURY WHILE IGNORING MEDICAL EXPERTS & THEIR CONCERNS FOR THE LIVES OF INNOCENT BABIES. PHARMACISTS ALSO NEED TO CHECK THE ABILITY THAT STAFF WERE ABLE TO ABUSE MEDICATION WITH NO DOUBLE CHECKING & SENIOR NURSING STAFF IGNORING THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES IN THE EVENT OF EXTREME CONCERN FOR ABUSE OF PATIENT CARE.
The managers should be charged...
I'm really looking forward to the trial of her parents, which will be very revealing.
Their crime ???
@@fakereality3792 Yes, a trial of their crimes.
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What are her parents charged with? I wasn’t aware there was a case against them.
Interesting... They're in denial too. Her Dad went to her meeting.. Why????
Because she wasn’t foreign.
They keep saying her parents were devoted to her? Why in court did she cry, when seeing her bedroom.? Was it a sanctuary?
What happens to those community psychitric nurses; where patients are isolated in their own homes with these staff.
I complain time and time again; it makes you worst than when they don't visit.
Part 5
If someone in their 20's was told, as Lucy was, they had caused babies to die through negligence, then it was suggested they had murdered, especially if this came from those above in rank, a large percentage of the population would start to believe it. I'm amazed that these erratic non coherent notes were ever allowed to be described as 'evidence', or a ‘confession’.
She wasn't even questioned that much about the notes. It was a fraction of Ten month trial. Circumstancial evidence isn't about one piece of evidence. Can you give an explanation about why non natural insulin was found to have caused the deaths of two babies, when gestational diabetes had been ruled out and nothing to do with sepsis? How do you explain the Perinatal Pathologist findings of liver damage being so bad, it was akin to an RTA and not CPR?
Because she's so pretty...
This dude is really grifting this case 😂
Are doctors not mandated to report harm to a child to the child safety/protection department
I just searched and apparently there is no legal duty! This case should hopefully change that 🥺
Cleo, they are required to report it. But remember social services is for harm caused by the family. But it is still yet another route they could have chosen - social services would have called the police. There were plenty of routes.
@@juliew1824 Yet, they were under attack eventually and that's hard to deal with. It's super stressful, in addition to the stress and these doctors are also stressed already, working with what they've got.
They expected their managers not to obstruct them in some way or dismiss their concerns or whatever was going on.
Slow to act is the best I can say about these managers. They need to be in a dock, particularly Rees and Harvey. The Cheshire Coroner who behaved like an ass, it would be nice to see him dragged out of retirement to explain himself, too.
I don't disagree with much of what you say except that despite all that they should have gone to the police. The TV one has admitted it - and he must know himself that yes, we really should have gone, legally, morally, in line with my GMC fitness to practice standards - we really should have. Anyway, I'm glad to see you bring up the Coroner because I too have questions there also. They are normally pretty outstanding, but there are questions here. And I notice Cheshire had a new Coroner appointment about a year or so ago.
Any corporation that makes money cares about their reputation. There’s no morality involved when running a corporation that pays the doctors and board members more than they should